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JUSTICE: Beautiful mom Heidi Broussard and 3-week-old baby vanish, CHILDHOOD FRIEND charged · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours. A
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  Speaker 1: stunning conclusion to a story that shocked the country. A
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  Speaker 1: woman accused of murdering her childhood best friend and a
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  Speaker 1: plot to steal her baby. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven. A Texas woman
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  Speaker 1: looking at over fifty years behind bars from murdering her
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  Speaker 1: childhood bestie as part of a plot to steal her
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  Speaker 1: best friend's baby. Thirty seven year old Meghan Fiera Muska
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  Speaker 1: guilty guilty to the murder of thirty three year old
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  Speaker 1: Heidi Bruissard. Brussard was first reported missing back in December,
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  Speaker 1: a month after she had given birth to a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: baby girl. Brussard, absolutely stunning, was strangled dead with a
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  Speaker 1: dog leash. Her body eventually found in the trunk at
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  Speaker 1: Fieramusca's car at her home in Houston. Authorities find baby
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  Speaker 1: girl Margot in sci Fiaremusca's home. Just a stunning, stunning
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  Speaker 1: turn of events. A mother found dead after she and
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  Speaker 1: her baby go missing, her best friend busted for kidnapping.
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  Speaker 1: How did the whole thing unfold? She can carry is
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  Speaker 1: pleading for help finding his newborn daughter, Margot and her mother,
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  Speaker 1: Heidi Brussard. This photo shows Broussard dropping off her son
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  Speaker 1: at school at around seven thirty Thursday morning. According to
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  Speaker 1: Austin Police, it was the last place she was seen.
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  Speaker 1: I wants to work and I talked to her eight
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  Speaker 1: o'clock and us the last time went talks to her.
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  Speaker 1: Shane says when he got back home from work at
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  Speaker 1: two Thursdays, she and the baby were nowhere to be found.
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  Speaker 1: He tells us. When his son's school called asking for
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  Speaker 1: someone to pick up the boy, he knew something wasn't right,
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  Speaker 1: and I went and picked up my son and she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't home again. So that's why I just called the police.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. You were just
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  Speaker 1: hearing k e y ECBs Austin reporter Melanie Barton and
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  Speaker 1: speaking with me an all Star panel. Bruce Johnson, owner
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  Speaker 1: ESP Investigations, Master Sergeant, Region one Crime Scene Command of Chicago. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: they've got a case load about as heavy as Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: Inner City Atlanta, and let me tell you, this guy
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  Speaker 1: knows his way around a crime scene. Also with me
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  Speaker 1: from Columbia University psychologist, doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis aka Bleeding Heart,
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  Speaker 1: also with me forensics expert founder Bare Bones Consulting. I've
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  Speaker 1: worked crime scenes with her before, Karen Smith. But right
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  Speaker 1: now to investigative reporter at k E y E CBS Austin,
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Barden, Melanie, thank you so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start where every crime investigation should start now, granted,
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  Speaker 1: and doctor Debbie is gonna tell me this. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that Hey, maybe she just got fed up with the
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  Speaker 1: whole gig and left interesting. I'm gonna have to question
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  Speaker 1: doctor Debbie on this. I guess she was quite the
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  Speaker 1: hiker because she left her car behind. Melanie. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: start with the morning Heidi brusagists thirty three years old.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what was I doing when I was thirty three? Ah,
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  Speaker 1: I had already been ten years in the Fulton County
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  Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. Say maybe mmmmm, two years in and
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  Speaker 1: then heading for Court TV and a program with Johnny Cochrane.
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  Speaker 1: This lady, Heidi absolutely stunning, is missing no clues, Melie.
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  Speaker 1: Let's backtrack to the morning she goes missing. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Melanie bardon Kye so what we know is that the
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  Speaker 1: last time Heidi Brussard and Margot Carey were seen was
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  Speaker 1: Thursday morning at around seven thirty. We know that they
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  Speaker 1: were seen because Austin Police released a surveillance picture of
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  Speaker 1: Heidi at her son's elementary school. She was dropping him
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  Speaker 1: off for the day, and then Austin Police say they
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  Speaker 1: believe she went from the school back to her apartment.
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  Speaker 1: It's about a ten minute drive. So that's what we know,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right, she seemingly vanished out of thin air.
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  Speaker 1: We do know that her daughter, her two week old
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  Speaker 1: newborn baby, Margot Carey, was with her when she dropped
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  Speaker 1: her son off, and she was with her when she
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  Speaker 1: went back to her apartment complex. And that's all we
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  Speaker 1: know right now. You know, I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson, Master Sergeant, Crime Scene Commander, Chicago Metro Area. Bruce.
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  Speaker 1: There's one good thing, one good thing about what Melanie
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  Speaker 1: Barden just said, and that is that Heidi Brissard was
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  Speaker 1: spotted early in the morning the day she seemingly disappears.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've had so many investigations where I have the
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  Speaker 1: word of one person. Oh, she allowed to go take
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  Speaker 1: our son to cow An Elementary, but nobody sees them.
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  Speaker 1: So for all I know, the timeline could have started
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  Speaker 1: fourteen hours earlier, the evening before, at dinner time, or
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  Speaker 1: even beyond that at three o'clock when she picked the
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  Speaker 1: little boy up the day before. But we have a
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  Speaker 1: shred a sintilla of evidence stating Heidi Brissard is alive
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  Speaker 1: that morning at seven o'clock dropping her son off at
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  Speaker 1: cow An Elementary there in Austin, and we can start
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  Speaker 1: our timeline from there. Bruce Johnson, why is so important
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  Speaker 1: to establish a correct timeline at the get go, Bruce, Well,
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  Speaker 1: because the first twenty four hours are crucial in this
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  Speaker 1: type of situation. Obviously, that's really good news that they
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  Speaker 1: have proof of where she's at. Start off your timeline.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to help the investigation, you know, Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: it narrows it down from what are we looking at
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  Speaker 1: two days or a day too. We have an immediate
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  Speaker 1: time notification, yes, Bruce Johnson, former commander Chicago Metro. This
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  Speaker 1: rules out somebody breaking in the house in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night, someone jumping her when she goes out
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  Speaker 1: to her car, maybe in her garage that morning, because
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  Speaker 1: that's what happened to Jennifer Dulos, we know she was
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  Speaker 1: just getting out of her car and that is the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene there in Connecticut because the garage is full
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  Speaker 1: of blood and her cell phone was still in her vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: So she never made it in much like to Teresa
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  Speaker 1: Severs who flew home from once Again I think Connecticut
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  Speaker 1: the night before on a Sunday. We know she never
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  Speaker 1: made it past the kitchen she lands. She still has
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  Speaker 1: all the stiletto hills and the clothes she traveled in.
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  Speaker 1: She has her rollerboard and the garage. You waltz in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen, somebody lying in wait, arranged by her husband,
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  Speaker 1: and bam, she's dead. So we know that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: This gives us a launch pad. So Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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  Speaker 1: founder Bare Bones Consulting, joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, We've got the video. What does it tell me?
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  Speaker 1: The video? The video from the school shows that she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing a long sleeved purple shirt and it gives
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  Speaker 1: an exact timeline. Now what happened to her after that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. They are scouring for a video from
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  Speaker 1: the apartment complex, from stoplights from other businesses in the area.
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  Speaker 1: So all of that has to be shoot and eyes.
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  Speaker 1: That's hours and hours and hours. It's gonna take manpower
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  Speaker 1: and resources, and unfortunately, all of those manpower and resources
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  Speaker 1: sucks away from actually trying to find Heidi Brizard. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, you're right as usual. But doctor Debbe Joffe
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  Speaker 1: ellis psychologist joining us from Columbia University. That ain't shabby,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie. It tells me something else. And I'm no shrink,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. I'm just a trial lawyer. But
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  Speaker 1: it tells me everything was quasi normal that morning because
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  Speaker 1: she had the baby, Margot with her in the car.
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  Speaker 1: I think I know that she got the boy, her
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  Speaker 1: son to school on time. I believe the video shows
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  Speaker 1: her smiling, her hair is done, she's got on this
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  Speaker 1: purple blouse. See. My point is seemingly, from appearances, which
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  Speaker 1: can be deceiving, everything was going on schedule that morning.
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  Speaker 1: That tells me something psychologically, Doctor Debbie. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: the important word you mentioned is seemingly, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important and you don't do this, but in general,
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  Speaker 1: for people not to presume to make definite conclusion and
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  Speaker 1: untill they have more evidence. For hypotheses came to my mind.
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  Speaker 1: The first one something sinister happen, a kidnapping or some
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  Speaker 1: such thing. The second possibility that it was a voluntary,
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  Speaker 1: planned departure despite the seeming to have a good life
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  Speaker 1: in a normal morning. Three that she was unhappy in
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  Speaker 1: her life and wanted to escape. And and you know,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully it wasn't this, or the first hypothesis that there
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  Speaker 1: was some malady there, that she may have been gripped
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  Speaker 1: by depression. Doctor Dabby, Doctor d Abbey. Yeah, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to cut through your fantastic psychoanalysm. Analysm. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: been to a kid's bookfair? Have you ever been to
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  Speaker 1: a kid's book fair? I've been to book fair. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so a kid's book fair is at the school. I've
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  Speaker 1: been to so many I can't count them when they're
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  Speaker 1: a big event. So I find it very curious she
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  Speaker 1: goes to the book fair and she buys books for
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  Speaker 1: her seven year old little boy boy. Why so she
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  Speaker 1: could just leave town and never read them? Right? Their
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  Speaker 1: behavioral evidence tells me she did not just disappear on
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  Speaker 1: her own for a seemingly better life. Crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, a Texas woman and very close friend of
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  Speaker 1: a young mom who goes missing along with her baby girl,
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  Speaker 1: was busted on charges of kidnapping and tampering with a corpse.
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  Speaker 1: Those charges later upgraded to murder when a body of
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  Speaker 1: thirty three year old Heidi Broussard was discovered by cops
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  Speaker 1: in a residence in the Houston area on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: Police also found a baby girl believed to be dead,
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  Speaker 1: Heidi Broussard's baby, Margot Carrie alive inside the home. Just
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  Speaker 1: think of all the time this woman Viverra Musca plotted
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  Speaker 1: as she stood by, even in the delivery room with
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  Speaker 1: Heidi as she gave birth, plotting to steal her baby.
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  Speaker 1: But why because she wanted her boyfriend to stay with her,
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  Speaker 1: faking a pregnancy. That's right in the delivery room when
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  Speaker 1: Heindi gives birth to Darner Margot. That was in late
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  Speaker 1: November and on December twelve, mom Heidi Broussard and her
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  Speaker 1: two week old baby seemingly vanish into thin air in
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  Speaker 1: the baby CBS Austin reached out to several friends and
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  Speaker 1: family members. Friday Brossard's co workers at Cracker Barrel and
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  Speaker 1: Budha says she'd been off work since having her baby.
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  Speaker 1: Austin Police are asked anyone with information on the disappearances
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  Speaker 1: to call nine one one if you see awesome mom
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  Speaker 1: with the baby walking around or in a suspicious van
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  Speaker 1: or a car, or anything that looks suspicious, just please
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  Speaker 1: get somebody. Call shop. Fiance pleading for the return of
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  Speaker 1: his three week old baby girl Margot, and the love
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  Speaker 1: of his life, thirty three year old Heidi Brassar I
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  Speaker 1: was in a heated argument with doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis
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  Speaker 1: about children's book fairs they're at Cowen Elementary. To Melanie
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  Speaker 1: Barton reporter k e y E CBS Austin, Melanie, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened in the book fare
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  Speaker 1: if we know she bought anything, and I know her
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  Speaker 1: vehicle was back home, which tells me she made it
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  Speaker 1: home from school as normal, right and Austen Police have
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  Speaker 1: said that they believe that she did make it home
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  Speaker 1: as far as the book fair. We know from Shane
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  Speaker 1: speaking to us that he says she called him at
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  Speaker 1: around eight o'clock saying that she had just finished up
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  Speaker 1: at the book fair at the school. And that she
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  Speaker 1: bought a few books for their little boy, and he
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  Speaker 1: says that she said she was excited to read to
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  Speaker 1: him A Missing Austin Mother and The Kneeborn The Kneeborn
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  Speaker 1: Baby Girl, Margot, Doctor Debbie, I was stunned the night
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  Speaker 1: that I learned the number one cause of death amongst
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  Speaker 1: pregnant women is homicide. I would never have guessed that.
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  Speaker 1: I would have guessed heart failure or childbirth, but no,
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  Speaker 1: it's homicide. And that's from the New England Journal of Medicine,
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  Speaker 1: and I certainly I'm not credential to argue with them.
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  Speaker 1: What is so stressful about a pregnancy or a new birth,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Debbie. Why does it throw the whole relationship off
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  Speaker 1: the rails. Well, there's the biological component, Nancy, which is
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  Speaker 1: part of the well known postpartum depression that many people
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  Speaker 1: go through. And then additionally, there can be stressors in
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  Speaker 1: life that were there before the pregnancy, but that can
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  Speaker 1: feel more extreme, and pressure coupled with any biological tendencies
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  Speaker 1: to depression, can contribute to that sort of thing. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things, Nancy, I wanted to mention in your
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  Speaker 1: last segment that my fourth hypothesis hypothesis was the possibility
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  Speaker 1: that Haidie might have been gripped by depression that led
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  Speaker 1: to her disappearing. Again, I don't believe that with any
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  Speaker 1: strong conviction, but it's a possibility. And even though it
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  Speaker 1: appeared she had a very normal mourning, you know, moots
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  Speaker 1: can change on a dime. We don't know. Again, this
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  Speaker 1: is just the hypothesis, and I hope it's not true,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that investigators would be asking friends were
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  Speaker 1: there times she seemed down and depressed, just to rule
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  Speaker 1: that out the possibility of depression, hopefully no suicidal ideation. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're right too. I hope that she is
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  Speaker 1: just away. Yeah, but I don't feel that in my bones.
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  Speaker 1: And according to the fiance, she was happy when she
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  Speaker 1: called that morning around eight am. Back to Melanie Barden,
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  Speaker 1: reporter k e y E, CBS Austin, Melanie, again, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us at a time when everything's
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  Speaker 1: going crazy. I'm sure in the newsroom what we know
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  Speaker 1: so far. Austin Police continuing their search for Heidi Broussard
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  Speaker 1: in her three week old baby girl, Margot Carrie, last
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  Speaker 1: seen seven thirty am dropping Heidie's son of Kalen Elementary,
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  Speaker 1: South Austin. The Austin p D says Heidi's believed to
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  Speaker 1: have driven back to her apartment complex off West William
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  Speaker 1: Cannon Drive. Now CBS spoke with Heidi's fiance, Margo's dad,
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  Speaker 1: Shane Carrie. He says he spoke with Heidi on the
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  Speaker 1: phone eight a m. That morning while he's at work,
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  Speaker 1: that she had just dropped off their son and bought
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  Speaker 1: books from the school book fair. Now, let me understand something.
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  Speaker 1: He gets home from work two pm. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know where he works, and he says, Margot wasn't there,
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  Speaker 1: and Heidie wasn't there, her car, everything at the house,
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  Speaker 1: baby stuff, everything, nothing's gone except for her and the baby.
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  Speaker 1: The school calls asking for somebody to come pick up
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  Speaker 1: the boy. Well, he knew something was wrong then, and
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  Speaker 1: that's at three ish. I assume. Let me understand something.
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  Speaker 1: Was it really seven thirty before he called police? Melanie Barton, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: He says that he ended up calling police just after seven,
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  Speaker 1: and so he tells us he gets home from work.
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  Speaker 1: He says, he works for a moving company and he
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  Speaker 1: gets home at two o'clock to their apartment and just
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  Speaker 1: like you said, that the car was there. He says,
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  Speaker 1: everything was put like as if they had never even left.
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  Speaker 1: The only things missing were Heidie and Margot. And so
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  Speaker 1: he says that they have a another friend in the
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex, and he figures Heidi could have taken the
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  Speaker 1: baby and walked over to the friend's apartment. And so
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  Speaker 1: until he did get the call from the school, he
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  Speaker 1: picked up his son. He says. When he got back
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  Speaker 1: and they both still weren't there, he started calling her friends.
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  Speaker 1: He says, he called his dad and then yes, at
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  Speaker 1: around seven o'clock, that's what he called police. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to Fox seven Shannon Ryan's interview with the fiancee
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  Speaker 1: Shane Carrie. And Uh, ever since then, it's just been
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  Speaker 1: trying to reach out. I don't know, she's a great mom,
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  Speaker 1: needs to be back. So the last time I knew
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  Speaker 1: her summer was around eight thirty. Yeah, yeah, eight, I
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  Speaker 1: mean probably before then, like eight fifteen, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: and you called the cop to Rose seven, right, yeah? Seven?
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  Speaker 1: Nash he was like fifteen year says, yes, some thirty
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  Speaker 1: maybe something like that. Yeah, and just tell me a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about hiding and Marga. Oh, they're amazing, They're um, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: loving ums. Everybody. She has the best group of friends.
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  Speaker 1: Margot is the sweetest surely, so they're we sold and man,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, thank you's a little pucker lips, gorgeous little
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  Speaker 1: baby and just played to Bruce Johnson, owner I SP Investigations,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson, why the time lag he gets home at too?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't call places until seven fifteen or seven thirty, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a when he gets home at about
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  Speaker 1: two o'clock. Everybody is saying that the doors are open now.
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  Speaker 1: So this is an apartment complex and the apartment door
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  Speaker 1: is standing open. That in and itself is kind of
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  Speaker 1: odd and very adems are They're very odd. Indeed, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends Shannon Ryan car Keys apartment, Melbuck.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a scenic Keys. Yeah, weird. Yes, And she
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  Speaker 1: never leaves a car door unlocked. I mean she does
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  Speaker 1: have a three or cold baby, so I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but she would not leave the cardoor unlocked. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big pusher on that, but pusher to lock everything. So
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  Speaker 1: that is the fiance to Melanie Barden. Joining US reporter
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  Speaker 1: k e y E CBS Austin on this case from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, Melanie, what about the car door? Was anything
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  Speaker 1: else left Ajar? Right, So he said that the car
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  Speaker 1: was unlocked, So it's kind of unclear if he's saying
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  Speaker 1: it was open it was left Ajar or if it
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  Speaker 1: was just unlocked. And as far as the apartment door
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  Speaker 1: being unlocked, what he told us when we interviewed him
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  Speaker 1: was that nothing was different whatsoever at his apartment complex,
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  Speaker 1: and he did say in other interviews that everything was
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  Speaker 1: the same except for the cell phone, the car keys
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  Speaker 1: in the car door. So you never really made it
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  Speaker 1: clear about the front door of the apartment complex. I
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  Speaker 1: do what one routine do everything. They start working around
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  Speaker 1: six thirty and so like I started working them up,
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  Speaker 1: give them krisses goodbye after good day at school, and
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  Speaker 1: then she starts working their sandwiches, and so I went
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  Speaker 1: to work. She took Margo with others. She dropped them
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  Speaker 1: off at school to the book fair, and after the
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  Speaker 1: book first she called me Ryan ate something on her
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  Speaker 1: way home from the book first that she spent twenty
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  Speaker 1: five dollars. I was like, that's okay, um, and I
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  Speaker 1: told her have to go because I was on my
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  Speaker 1: way out, and I told you I love you bye.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing Shane Carrie speaking to shaneon Ryanan with
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  Speaker 1: me right now. Special guest Melanie Barton, reporter k E
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  Speaker 1: y ECBs Austin. Melanie, you told me that the cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: the car keiece, and the car door were things that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: stand out in your mind red flags. What about the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: car keys? What about the cell phone? What can you
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: tell me about them? Right? So, Shane Carey has said
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: consistently that when he got back home from work, the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: apartment was left as it always had been. He said
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that the baby's car seat was inside the apartment. He
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: said the baby's diaper bag was inside the apartment, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he said there were no signs of any struggle. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: he says the only things that were missing or Heidi
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: cell phones and her car keys. And he says that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: her car door, which again was still at the apartment complex,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was open. Okay, he just told me something I didn't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Melanie Barden, a reporter k E y E. I just
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: learned something, Karen Smith, forensic's expert founder Beer Bones Consulting.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The car seat was inside. Yeah, that just told me
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: something that tells me that she was not accosted at
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the car and that she was the one that drove
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that car home because the car seat had been taken
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: out of the car and brought in. In fact, typically
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they're so cumbersome. I would leave them in the car
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: very often and just take the twins in my two
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: arms and carry them out to the car instead of
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: dragging the car seat in and out. So that's a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: very cumbersome thing, or at least it was for me.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So we know that only a mom would have done that,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: would have brought the car seat in with the baby.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: She was with the baby last That's what I'm saying.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe the dad does it too in that family. My
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: husband did. But what I'm saying is she had the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: baby in the car and she brings the car seat in.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: That tells me she made it into the home. She
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was not attacked in the front yard. Nobody carjacked her.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Nobody followed her home and grabbed her when she was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: getting out of the car. She came in the home.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That's a big clue. Karen Smith, You're absolutely right. You're
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely right. Car seats are cumbersome. I used to have
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to install them when I was with the Sheriff's office
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: for people. We would give them away and we would
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: have to install them. They are very difficult to install
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and uninstalled, and most people do just leave them in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the car because of that, You grab the child and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you carry them in your arms like you used to.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: What that really also tells me, Nancy, is that I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to go down this path yet. But if
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: somebody is going to accost a woman a baby, becomes
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: very cumbersome for somebody on the outside to take both
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of them, to take both of them from the apartment.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to go down that path yet,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but that's something to think about. A two week old
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: baby is a lot of responsibility if you're going to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: take both of them, you know. Bryce Johnson, owner ESP Investigations,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: former Master Sergeant in Chicago, Bryce Johnson. That tells me
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: something else just talking to Karen Smith, and this is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: something I used to love to do with my district
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: attorney colleagues and police, taking one piece of evidence and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: just squeezing it forever, every bit of evidence I could
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: get out of it, from every bit of indicators about
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what happened. Think about what Karen Smith just said, Bruce Johnson,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: who would take Heidi Brussard and baby Margo three weeks old.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And this tells me that the mom, Heidi Brussard, if
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: she wanted to escape, why would she take the baby?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: If she's trying to get away from her life, why
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: would she take the baby without the car seat? Bruce Johnson, Well,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that's a very good point. I mean, the other thing
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: regarding that issue that you were previously talking about is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: no signs of a struggle, no yelling, no screaming, doors
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: are left open. Take a listen to this. Obviously there's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of scrutiny on you. I mean you, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: imagine that's got to be tough. You're going through this
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: absolute nightmare. Yes, and then people obviously have to check
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you off. That's that's gonna be really difficult. Yeah, it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like I don't, like I just pretty much ignore that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to handle it. But like, I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: know it's a question, but I mean I don't I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how to I disignore it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: because I know that's not true. Yes, negative, So I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: don't want to. Yeah, we're trying to be positive and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: find her. That is fiance Shane Carrey speaking to reporter
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Shannon Ryan straight out to Melanie Bardon kuy Ucbs Austin.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of scrutiny rained down on the fiance.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: What are the comments, what are the observations of his statements. Yeah,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: there's the whole Facebook groups and pages of people's you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: different theories about what happened. Of course, a big vocal
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: point is Shane Carey. In these interviews, he's done and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I think part of that is the fact that he
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is Heidi's fiance. I think another part of it is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: because he's really the only other person who has talked
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to us other than police. He's the only other person
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that we've heard from that saw her that morning. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: so you know, people are really going after what he's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: saying or really picking apart, you know, every decision that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he made that morning. This is what we know. She
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: goes missing, Heidi Brossard in an early morning. This is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: another fact I'm just learning. According to a friend, Caressa
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Rochelle Nulty, Heidi went to the book fair that day
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: eight am and then her fiance tried to call her
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: at twelve noon and it went to voicemail like it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was dead, Like it was dead. Now we're learning through
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Carrissa Rochelle Nulty that it was six o'clock the school
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: called and that Heidi had not shown up. But what
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: significant to me right there is that he says he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the fiance called her at twelve noon and the call
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: was already going to voicemail as if the phone was dead.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Let's shore up that timeline. Melanie bardon Kye Number one
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: relevant information. Fiance says he called her twelve noon, it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail, like it's dead and you can
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: tell you barely ring and then it goes straight to voicemail.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So Melanie, did the school call around six pm? Because
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: what this is telling me, Because we've got a tighter
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: timeline and this is important. So she goes missing. Now
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we've got it down to four hours between eight and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: twelve if we can count on that phone going to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: voicemail timeline. What about it, Melanie, what time to the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: school call? Well, I understand that he has said that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the school called out around six o'clock saying that he
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: needed to come pick up the boy, and it's when
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he went to go pick up his son and came back.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Now keep in mind the apartment complex is only about
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: ten minutes from the school. So it's not going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: take him very long to go pick up this and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: come back. And it's when he came back that he
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: called police, which was around seven thirty. That is making
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a little more sense to me. I'm also learning that
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: he thought she may be visiting somebody within the apartment
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: complex because her car was there, everything was there, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: so she would have to be on foot. We also
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: know that he Shane proposed to her in November, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's according to what Broussard herself posted on Facebook. What
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: else do we know? We know that Rossard's family has
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: come all the way from Louisiana to help search for her.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Timmy Brossard called in to k x A N and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Steady she was en route from Louisiana to Texas to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: help with the search. She's originally from Late Charles, Louisiana.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That's what we've learned. She and Kerry have also lived
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in Kyle, Texas. She had a steady job going. She's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: been working at the same cracker barrel since twenty fifteen
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and the family. Brossard's family is begging for prayers and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: help finding Heidi. It's very clear that the fiance says
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: she would never have left Silas alone. She would never
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: have just left him at school. And that's where something
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: called routine evidence comes in to doctor Debbie Joffe ellis
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: joining us psychologist. She never missed picking up her children.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's very important, a very key factor here,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: doctor Debbie. It certainly is. And again it either comes
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: down to something sinister, a choice she's made, or that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: she was gripped with depression and was suffering some emotional
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: state that most people around her didn't realize. And that's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: not uncommon. Nancy. You know, you're back on the postpartum
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: depression thing, and doctor Debby, how I appreciate you, but
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it's not factoring in with the evidence as far as
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I am concerned. Karen Smith, You're right. Listen, investigations follow
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the evidence to the suspect and most cases, but in
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: cases like this, you have to start with those closest
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to the people that are missing. So if Shane's alibi
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and his whereabouts can hold up to some very intense scrutiny,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: there are other avenues to go down. Take to listen
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to the latest from the fiance Shane Carrie, and I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: know the cops and investagers doing their job and doing
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a great job. I just want to do more. It
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: feels like we could do more. And that's where everyone
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: comes in. This is a group, so I'll do it together.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And just I mean, so talk about you know, the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: way that the car was left, the way that the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: home was left, everything was like she was home. I mean,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that's why I thought she was at her friend's house,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like she walked to apartment complex. The car seats upstairs,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: her purses upstairs, her ID wallet, there's no signs of
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: her taking the baby. She would never leave her card
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: door unlocked. Her car door is unlocked, so that's a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: weird sign. So um, I don't know anything about that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And her purses inside her car with all the money,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: so inside of it, her idea, her cards, her full purse.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It's just on the thing gone is her the baby,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: her keys, and her cell phone which s been off
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: since I tried to call her one forty now from
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Flox seven. But we also know that the three books
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: bought at the book fair were in the apartment when
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the fiance gets home, one's cell phone missing and it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: been turned off. Car seat also inside the apartment. Time
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace finally a resolution in the murder
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of the young mom Heidi Broussard and the kidnap of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: her baby girl, Margo, just two weeks old at the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: time she seemingly vanishes into thin air. A little over
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a week later, Heidi Brossard's body found stuffed in the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: trunk of a car outside the home of her so
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: called best friend, Megan Fieramusca. Maybe Margo inside the home,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but even when cops a ride, Fierrimouska insists the baby
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: girl was hers. Investigators say Fierimusca strangled her best friend
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to death with a dog leash and claimed baby Margos
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: her own. Take a listen to her friends at NBC
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Texas Rangers and FBI agents flooding the home overnight of
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a woman who was once Heidi Broussard's close friend. Authorities
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: today saying they discovered Brussard's body in the trunk of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a car, her baby Margot was safe inside the house.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Megan Fieramusca, also known as Megan Humphrey, now charged with
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: two counts of kidnapping and tampering with a corpse. Friends
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: say Humphrey told them she was pregnant. She had an
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: online baby registry listing a due date the same time
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: as Heidi Brussard's. When Heidi was giving birth, where was
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the suspect until last night? The investigation was focused one
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles away in the apartment complex where
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Heidi Brussard lived with her boyfriend Shane Carry and two children,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: where she was last seen more than a week ago.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: A lead was generated that created a location of interest
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: in the Houston area cause of death in this case
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of strangulation. I spoke this morning with Heidi's mother, who
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: told me she felt shocked and betrayed. The woman accused
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of murdering nie mom, Heidi Broussard and stealing her infant
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a none other than Megan Fiamusca, Heidi's best friend. Turns out,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Fiaramuska and Brassard had been best friends for two decades
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: after they met at a church camp as children. According
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to invest Skaters, Fieramusca was a quote womb raider who
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: faked her own pregnancy for nine months with an evil
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: plan to kidnap her best friend's baby, Heidi after Heidi
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: had given birth. Amazing how Fieramuska pretended to be pregnant
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: herself at the same time as Broussard and even set
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: up a fake due date for December one. She even
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: went so far as to set up a target baby registry. Now,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: friends of Fieramuska claim she stated as she had given
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: birth to a baby girl named Luna May what's bizarres.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Even Heidi Brussard's fiance Shane Carey, thought Fieramusca was expecting
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: just like Heidi. Now. At first, Fieramusca was charged with
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: capital murder, which of course can equal a death penalty
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in the state of Texas. But somehow Fieramuska and her
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: lawyers managed to talk the state down to a fifty
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: five sentence Take a listen to our friends at Fox.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: After back and forth about whether evidence was legally obtained,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: fear Musca's lawyer says an agreement has been made, saying,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: quote after considerable discussion and conjunction with significant compelling mitigation
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: related to Miss fiar Musca and the possible appellet issues
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: related to the search of her residence, both parties feel
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that this is the appropriate resolution. Travis County District Attorney
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Jose Garza says this plea that includes fear Musca waiving
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: her right to appeal will save the family from potentially
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: decades of litigation. Fiera Musca's lawyer says, quote, I imagine
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: many have questions that will never be adequately answered. Nevertheless,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I hope that this plea brings some closure to this
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: family's great loss. I'm just very surprised they didn't seek
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the death penalty on Fiera Musca. Soon after her discovering
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the taught girl alive, baby Margot was reunited with her
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: bio Ad Brissard's fiance Shane Carrie now Shane Carrie, set
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: out raising the two all alone. Carrie and Brissart also
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: shared a son named Silas, who is now, believe it
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: or not, seven years old. But we've been looking at
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: new photos on Facebook and they show that Carrie has
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: been not only taking care of both children all by himself,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he appears to have found love again following Heidi's horrific murder.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: His Facebook page shows an update stating he's in a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: relationship and I hope he has the very best of everything.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: All happiness to him and the two children after what
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: they've lived through. But the bombshell now is that Fieramosca
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: will spend the rest of her life behind bars. She's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: looking at fifty five years behind bars. But de Broussard
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: got a death sentence, her children, a life sentence of
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: life without mommy. Goodbye friend,