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The Dahmer Tapes: Jeffrey Dahmer And His Confession (9/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: the heart of Milwaukee, hidden inside a nondescript apartment building
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  Speaker 1: that looked like any other, lived a man whose name
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  Speaker 1: would become synonymous with evil, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer. To neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: he was quiet, strange, and the kind of man who
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  Speaker 1: kept to himself. He worked odd jobs, rode the bus,
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  Speaker 1: bought groceries like anyone else, but inside of his apartment,
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  Speaker 1: behind a locked door and blackout curtains, Dahmer created a
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  Speaker 1: world of horror that few could ever imagine. Between 1978
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  Speaker 1: and 1991, he became a hunter. His prey? Young men
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  Speaker 1: and boys, many of them marginalized, overlooked, easy to vanish
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  Speaker 1: without headlines. He would lure them with promises of money, alcohol, photographs,
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  Speaker 1: small things, harmless things. But once they stepped across his threshold,
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  Speaker 1: there was no way out. He drugged them, strangled them,
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  Speaker 1: and turned their bodies into experiments of flesh. Dahmer didn't
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  Speaker 1: just kill. He consumed. He desecrated. He kept souvenirs. Skulls, bones,
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  Speaker 1: severed heads, stored in his refrigerator and freezer. His home
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  Speaker 1: was less an apartment than a tomb, decorated with the
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  Speaker 1: remains of those who would never go home again. For
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  Speaker 1: over a decade, the police missed the signs. Neighbors called
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  Speaker 1: about the smell, about the screams. They complained about foul
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  Speaker 1: odors seeping through the vents. But time and again, the
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  Speaker 1: monsters slipped through the cracks, shielded by his bland exterior
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  Speaker 1: and society's indifferent to the missing. His crimes escalated, and
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  Speaker 1: with each new victim, he slipped deeper into the abyss.
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  Speaker 1: And the end came suddenly, not by design, but by mistake.
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  Speaker 1: In July of 91, one intended victim managed to escape. Shackled, terrified,
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  Speaker 1: he stumbled into the street and waved down officers. What
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  Speaker 1: they discovered when they stepped inside Dahmer's apartment would send
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  Speaker 1: shockwaves through the nation. Photographs documenting every stage of dismemberment,
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  Speaker 1: body parts preserved in jars and freezers, a sickening museum
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  Speaker 1: of death. Jeffrey Dahmer was no longer an anonymous neighbor
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  Speaker 1: or a forgettable face on the bus. Instead, he was
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  Speaker 1: revealed as one of the most prolific and sadistic killers
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  Speaker 1: in American history. A man who blurred the line between
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  Speaker 1: predator and the ghoul. A man whose very existence forced
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  Speaker 1: us to ask how evil this profound can go unnoticed
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  Speaker 1: for so long. And then, came his voice. For the
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  Speaker 1: first time, the world would hear, not just about Jeffrey Dahmer,
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  Speaker 1: but from Jeffrey Dahmer. His confessions would spill out in
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  Speaker 1: chilling detail, every crime, every compulsion, every nightmare dragged into
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  Speaker 1: the light. In this episode, we step into the mind
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  Speaker 1: of the man who admitted everything. This is Jeffrey Dahmer,
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  Speaker 1: in his own words, via the police reports. On Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: July 23rd, 1991, I, Detective Kennedy on Squad 126, along
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  Speaker 1: with Detective Michael Dubas, responded to 924 North 25th Street
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  Speaker 1: at Apartment 213 to investigate. Upon our arrival, we were
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  Speaker 1: met by Guards 31PO Ralph and Mueller, who state that
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  Speaker 1: at approximately 1125 PM, they were flagged down by an
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  Speaker 1: individual who had a handcuff on and stated that a
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  Speaker 1: man had threatened them with a knife in Apartment 213,
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  Speaker 1: at the apartment building, 924 North 25th Street. They stayed
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  Speaker 1: at this time. They proceeded to that apartment, and upon
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  Speaker 1: knocking on the door, they were allowed to enter the
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  Speaker 1: suspect's dwelling and began to question him. During questioning, they
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  Speaker 1: state they observed several Polaroid photographs, which showed mutilation of
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  Speaker 1: human bodies and human heads. They state at this time
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  Speaker 1: they placed the individual under arrest for the attempted homicide
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  Speaker 1: regarding the individual, Tracy Edwards, who flagged them down previously
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  Speaker 1: and called for the CIB. At this time, I rode
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  Speaker 1: along with suspect Jeffrey L. Dahmer in Squad 93 down
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  Speaker 1: to the CIB. Once at the CIB, I advised Dahmer
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  Speaker 1: of his constitutional rights and he stated that he fully
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  Speaker 1: understood them and that he wished to freely make a
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  Speaker 1: statement regarding the incident. At this time, Mr. Dahmer states
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  Speaker 1: that he is 31 years of age, born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: He states he moved to Richfield, Ohio when he was
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  Speaker 1: about six years old, and he was raised there and
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  Speaker 1: attended and graduated from Revere High School. He states he
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  Speaker 1: spent three years in the Army after graduation and moved
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  Speaker 1: back to Milwaukee when he was approximately 23 years old
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  Speaker 1: or so. The subject states he has a father who
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  Speaker 1: lives in Pennsylvania and a mother who lives in California.
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  Speaker 1: She states he has one brother, 26, living in Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: and his grandmother on his father's side lives in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: Subject states he was raised in the Protestant faith as
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  Speaker 1: he was growing up but he now considers himself to
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  Speaker 1: be an atheist. He admitted that he had been arrested
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  Speaker 1: in the past and he states he is currently on
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  Speaker 1: probation for taking Polaroid pictures of a minor. Subject states
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  Speaker 1: that when he was 18 years of age and living
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  Speaker 1: in Richfield, Ohio he picked up a hitchhiker whom he
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  Speaker 1: described as a white male about 19 years of age.
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  Speaker 1: He states that he took him home and had homosexual
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  Speaker 1: sex with him and states they were drinking beer and
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  Speaker 1: became intoxicated. He states they got into a physical fight
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  Speaker 1: because the 19-year-old individual tried to leave and that during
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  Speaker 1: the fight, he states that he struck the hitchhiker with
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  Speaker 1: a barbell. He states that the blow of the barbell
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  Speaker 1: caused the death of the hitchhiker, and at this time,
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  Speaker 1: he took the body out into the wooded area by
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  Speaker 1: his house and left it there to decompose for about
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. He states he returned with a sledgehammer at
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  Speaker 1: this time and used it to break the bones and
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  Speaker 1: then scatter them about the woods. The subject states he
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  Speaker 1: moved to Milwaukee after a three-year tour in the Army
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  Speaker 1: and a one-year stay in Miami, Florida, where according to
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  Speaker 1: the subject, nothing of this nature ever happened. Subject states
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  Speaker 1: that he moved in with his grandmother when he returned
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  Speaker 1: to Milwaukee and he states that he was there about
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  Speaker 1: he was about 25 years of age and living in
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee when he picked up a white male approximately 25
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  Speaker 1: years of age at the 219 Tavern. He states they
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  Speaker 1: got a room at the Ambassador Hotel and got very
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  Speaker 1: drunk and passed out. Subject states that when he woke
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  Speaker 1: up the guy was dead and had blood coming from
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  Speaker 1: his mouth. He states he went to the mall and
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  Speaker 1: bought a large suitcase and stuck the dead body into it.
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  Speaker 1: He states he called a cab and placed the suitcase
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  Speaker 1: in it and went back to his grandma's house. He
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  Speaker 1: states that he took the dead body down to his
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  Speaker 1: basement near a floor drain and used a knife to
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  Speaker 1: cut the flesh off the body and dismembered the body.
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  Speaker 1: Placed the various parts into plastic bags and then threw
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  Speaker 1: them into the trash. The subject feels this occurred in
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  Speaker 1: 1984 during the summer. He indicates that there had been
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  Speaker 1: many times that he had sex with men where no
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  Speaker 1: violence was involved and states about two months after this
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  Speaker 1: incident he met a Hispanic male about 18 years of
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  Speaker 1: age also at the 219 Tavern at about 1 o'clock a.m.
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  Speaker 1: They went back to his grandmother's place and had sex
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  Speaker 1: with him and put sleeping pills in his drink. He
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  Speaker 1: states when the guy fell asleep he strangled him with
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  Speaker 1: his hands, and took the body down to the basement
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  Speaker 1: by the drain and used a knife to dismember him
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  Speaker 1: and a sledgehammer to break up the bones, and then
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  Speaker 1: placed them into plastic bags and threw them into the trash.
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  Speaker 1: He goes on to state about a month later he
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  Speaker 1: met a black and white mixed male, about 20 years
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  Speaker 1: of age, in the La Cage tavern on National Avenue
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  Speaker 1: and took him back to his grandmother's house where he
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  Speaker 1: had sex and used sleeping pills with him. He states
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  Speaker 1: that when he was asleep, he strangled him and then
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  Speaker 1: dismembered his body and disposed of him in the same
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  Speaker 1: manner as before. The subject states a year went by
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  Speaker 1: and he met a Hispanic male about 19 years of
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  Speaker 1: age at the 219 Club and returned with him to
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  Speaker 1: his grandmother's house where he again had sex, used sleeping pills,
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  Speaker 1: and strangled him and again dismembered and disposed of the
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  Speaker 1: body in the same way. Subject states he moved to
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  Speaker 1: 808 North 24th Street, and lived there for a year,
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  Speaker 1: and was arrested one time for taking pictures of a minor.
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  Speaker 1: After one year of work release from the House of Correction,
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  Speaker 1: he moved back to his grandmother's house and lived there
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  Speaker 1: for approximately six months. At this time, he moved to
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  Speaker 1: 924 North Street, 25th Street, Apartment 213. Subject states, in
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  Speaker 1: the winter of 1989, he met a black male, about
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  Speaker 1: 24 years of age, in front of the bookstore on
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  Speaker 1: 27th Street, and took him to his apartment, where he
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  Speaker 1: took pictures of him in various sexual poses, and had
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  Speaker 1: sex with him, and put sleeping pills in his coffee
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  Speaker 1: and rum drink, which he gave to the black male.
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  Speaker 1: When the black male fell asleep, he stabbed him with
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  Speaker 1: a large hunting knife, which he describes as having a
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  Speaker 1: six-inch blade, and a black handle. He stabbed him in
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  Speaker 1: the neck. After the guy was dead, he put the
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  Speaker 1: body in the bathtub and dismembered him. He states he
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  Speaker 1: used the knife to dismember him. The subject states he
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  Speaker 1: used a plastic trash container or garbage can to put
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  Speaker 1: the bones in with hydraulic acid and let them sit
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  Speaker 1: in it for about three days until they turn into
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  Speaker 1: a mushy substance, and then he flushed them down the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: The flesh that he filleted from the body, he put
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  Speaker 1: into trash bags and threw them out. The subject states,
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  Speaker 1: he also started with the third victim, boiled the heads
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  Speaker 1: in a cleaning solution, and kept the skulls. He kept
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  Speaker 1: the skulls in the closet, All identification and jewelry of
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  Speaker 1: the victims, he states, he cut up and threw out
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  Speaker 1: in the garbage. The subject states about two months later,
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  Speaker 1: he met a black male about 20 years of age
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  Speaker 1: around Wisconsin and water and walked home with him. and
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  Speaker 1: again had sex, used sleeping pills which was placed in
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  Speaker 1: a coffee mixture and strangled him. He then dismembered the
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  Speaker 1: body and disposed of him in the same manner as before.
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  Speaker 1: Subject states he began getting quicker at cutting up the bodies.
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  Speaker 1: The subject states about one month later He met a
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  Speaker 1: tall black male, about 26 years of age, at Cessla V,
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  Speaker 1: and they took a taxi home to his apartment, and
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  Speaker 1: he repeated the same scenario with him. But he did
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  Speaker 1: not boil and keep his head. The subject states this
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  Speaker 1: was due to time constraints. Subject states about six months later,
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  Speaker 1: he met a black male, about 20 years of age,
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  Speaker 1: while in Chicago, and rode back to Milwaukee by Greyhound bus.
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  Speaker 1: He states before this he met a Chinese male about
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  Speaker 1: 15 years of age at the Grand Avenue Mall. This
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  Speaker 1: was around May or early June. He states that he
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  Speaker 1: took the bus back to his apartment. It was during
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  Speaker 1: the day or the afternoon. He states that the Chinese
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  Speaker 1: posed for a Polaroid photo and then he gave him
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  Speaker 1: sleeping pills and the coffee rum drink. After he passed out,
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  Speaker 1: he strangled him and dismembered and disposed of the body
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  Speaker 1: parts in the same way as before. The subject states
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  Speaker 1: that the body parts gave off an awful smell in
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  Speaker 1: the trash, but never did anything, so he just kept
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  Speaker 1: following his usual procedure of disposal. Regarding the black male
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  Speaker 1: from Chicago, he states that he repeated his usual actions
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  Speaker 1: with him. Regarding the head in the refrigerator, he states
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  Speaker 1: he met him, a black male, about 25 years of age,
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  Speaker 1: at 27th and Wisconsin, and took him home and repeated
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  Speaker 1: the same actions with him. He states about a month
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  Speaker 1: ago he bought a 57-gallon industrial drum and began placing
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  Speaker 1: body parts in it. Subject states that on about 7-19-91,
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  Speaker 1: he met a white male, about 25 years of age,
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  Speaker 1: near Marquette University, and took him home, had sex with him,
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  Speaker 1: gave him sleeping pills in the coffee rum drink, strangled him,
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  Speaker 1: and filleted him in the bathtub, dismembered him, and placed
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  Speaker 1: the body parts in the industrial drum. Regarding the Chinese male...
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  Speaker 1: The subject states that after giving him sleeping pills, he
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  Speaker 1: fell asleep and he, the subject, went to the bar
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  Speaker 1: on 27th Street. He states that as he left the bar,
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  Speaker 1: he saw the Chinese guy running down the street naked
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  Speaker 1: and police saw him and stopped him. And he was
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  Speaker 1: not speaking any English, so he talked with police and
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  Speaker 1: said that he was a friend that was out and
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  Speaker 1: that he was staying with him. At this time, he
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  Speaker 1: took the Chinese guy back to his apartment and and
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  Speaker 1: gave him some more coffee and rum solution with the
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  Speaker 1: sleeping pills in it, and after he fell asleep again,
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  Speaker 1: he strangled him, dismembered him, and disposed of him in
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  Speaker 1: the usual way. He then boiled his head. He states
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  Speaker 1: it takes about an hour to boil a head. Regardless
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  Speaker 1: his last victim, he states that his ID can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the bedroom of his apartment. Regarding 72391, the
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  Speaker 1: subject states he met a black male about 25 years
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  Speaker 1: of age at the mall on Wisconsin Avenue. He states
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  Speaker 1: he offered him $ 20 in cash to let him take
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  Speaker 1: some nude pictures of him. Once at his apartment, they
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  Speaker 1: drank rum and tea. The subject got intoxicated. Subject states
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  Speaker 1: that he tried to put handcuffs on the victim and
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  Speaker 1: the victim ran out and got the police. Subject states
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  Speaker 1: that he's not sure what happened next because he was drunk.
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  Speaker 1: Regarding the handcuffs, he would ask his victims if they
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  Speaker 1: would allow him to take a bondage picture with the
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  Speaker 1: handcuffs on and that's how he would get them handcuffed.
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  Speaker 1: The subject states there's an ID from the mail he
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  Speaker 1: met on 27th and Wisconsin in his wallet. The subject
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  Speaker 1: states that all of his victims knew that homosexual activity
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  Speaker 1: was the idea and possibly pictures. At this time, after
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  Speaker 1: the subject gave me this statement verbally, I advised him
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  Speaker 1: that I would like to write down verbatim on paper. However,
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  Speaker 1: before I did so, that he would have to let
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  Speaker 1: me know if he wanted to cooperate. And at this time,
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  Speaker 1: I went and got Dr. Dennis's who entered the room
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  Speaker 1: and together we reiterated his constitutional rights, which he understood,
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  Speaker 1: and that he wished to waive them in order to
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  Speaker 1: help us with this investigation. It was during this time
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  Speaker 1: that a four-page confession was written out by Detective Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: and read back to the subject who also read it
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  Speaker 1: and then stated that it was true and it was
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  Speaker 1: accurate and then signed it Jeffrey Dahmer. He also initialed
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  Speaker 1: each page. It should be noted that during the entire
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  Speaker 1: time that I spoke with the subject, Jeffrey Dahmer, he
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  Speaker 1: was given numerous cigarettes, 4-5 cups of coffee, 2 glasses
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  Speaker 1: of water, and 2 cans of Coca-Cola pop. He was
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  Speaker 1: also allowed to use the bathroom upon request. This entire
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  Speaker 1: interview and confession started at approximately 1.30am and finished at
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  Speaker 1: approximately 7.15am. After the confession was completely written out, read
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  Speaker 1: over and signed by the subject, he was asked if
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  Speaker 1: there was anything he would like to do or that
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  Speaker 1: if he was hungry. He stated that he was not
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  Speaker 1: hungry and probably will not be hungry for a long time. However,
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  Speaker 1: he would like to just sit and talk about the
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  Speaker 1: offenses a little bit more. The conversation which followed at
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  Speaker 1: this time has been recorded by Detective Dennis Murphy and
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  Speaker 1: he will file a detailed supplementary regarding what was said
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  Speaker 1: during this interview. Alright folks, we're going to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: part one right here give you some time to go
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  Speaker 1: and get that barf bag, and in the next episode
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we'll pick up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up everyone and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off with the Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Dahmer confession files. On Tuesday, 7-23-91, after obtaining the signed
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  Speaker 1: confession from the suspect Jeffrey L. Dahmer, He requested that
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  Speaker 1: we just sit in the interview room and talk with
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  Speaker 1: him so he can have a couple of cigarettes, some coffee,
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  Speaker 1: and think as to what had occurred. We, Detective Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Murphy and Patrick Kennedy, then talked with Jeffrey Dahmer regarding
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  Speaker 1: his family, and he stated his mother and father are divorced.
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  Speaker 1: His mother, Joyce Flint, is presently living in Northern California somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and his father, Lionel Dahmer, is presently living in Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: and works for the Pittsburgh Paint and Glass Company. A
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  Speaker 1: further check, and that phone number, redacted, Jeffrey stated that
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  Speaker 1: he has not seen either parent for quite some time
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  Speaker 1: and he believes that the last time he saw his
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  Speaker 1: father was 1979. He also stated that he has a
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  Speaker 1: brother in Cincinnati but he has not seen him for
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  Speaker 1: quite a while. We then questioned him regarding his address
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  Speaker 1: at the time that these homicides first occurred when he
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  Speaker 1: was 18 years old and stated that his hometown was Bath,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and while he was there he picked up a
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  Speaker 1: hitchhiker in Bath, Ohio across from the firehouse and took
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  Speaker 1: him to his house at 4480 West Bath Road, in Bath, Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: He stated they had sex, got into an argument, and
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  Speaker 1: he killed this individual by hitting him in the head
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  Speaker 1: with a barbell. He stated after this occurred, he cut
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  Speaker 1: him up, put him in the garbage bags, and threw
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  Speaker 1: the bags in the woods behind his house to the west,
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  Speaker 1: and left him there for about two weeks. He stated
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  Speaker 1: after the two weeks, he went to the woods with
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  Speaker 1: a sledgehammer and broke the bones up into little pieces
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  Speaker 1: and scattered them about the woods. He stated that after
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  Speaker 1: he joined the Army in 1979, he was subsequently discharged
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  Speaker 1: in March of 1981. He stated that after he was discharged,
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  Speaker 1: he lived in Miami, Florida for approximately one year. He
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  Speaker 1: then moved back to Bath, Ohio for four months. Then,
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  Speaker 1: in or about June or July of 1982, he moved
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  Speaker 1: in with his grandmother at 2357 South 57th Street. He
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  Speaker 1: stated that from the first homicide through all this time,
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  Speaker 1: he was not involved in any other homicides. Regarding any
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  Speaker 1: activity as to why he had kept some body parts
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  Speaker 1: of the victims or whether or not he had consumed
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  Speaker 1: any of the body parts, he stated the only time
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  Speaker 1: he ever did consume any body parts was one time
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  Speaker 1: and it was the bicep. He pointed to his right
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  Speaker 1: bicep of the black male whom he'd met on 27th
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  Speaker 1: and Wisconsin. He stated that the reason he consumed this
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  Speaker 1: bicep was because it was big and he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: try it. He then stated he didn't want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it anymore. He also stated he would masturbate in
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  Speaker 1: front of the body parts and skulls he collected because
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  Speaker 1: it brought back memories of the victims. He stated that
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  Speaker 1: he would put these body parts in formaldehyde and he
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  Speaker 1: would boil the skulls to get rid of the skin.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: He stated that he also spray painted several of the skulls.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: This will be reflected in a separate supplementary report. He
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: stated that all of his victims he killed, which he
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: believed to be in the vicinity of possibly 15, he
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: did keep three skulls. He stated that one of the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: skulls was from the victim in Ohio and then there
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: were two others of black males. He stated that he
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: put these two skulls in acid and got rid of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: them that way. He stated that the total length of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: time that this occurred was about six years he believed.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: He stated the type of pills he used to put
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the victims to sleep prior to him strangling them were
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: sleeping pills with which he had obtained from Dr. Hong.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He stated the reason that he killed these homosexuals and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: he stated they were all homosexuals because he wanted to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: be with them. He stated that he kept the skulls
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of the good-looking ones because he didn't want to lose them.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He also stated that he felt he could hang on
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to them if he would in fact kill them and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: keep their skulls. He stated the last three skulls were
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in the refrigerator and not boiled, belonged to his last
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: three victims. At this time, Mr. Dahmer said he was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: tired and wished to get some rest. He was then
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: taken to city jail. On Tuesday, 7-23-91, I, Detective Kennedy
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of Squad 126, while investigating the above incident and filing
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: reports down on the fourth floor of the CIB, was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: given a message by the head jailer. in LUCAD that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the suspect in this offense, one Jeffrey Dahmer, had requested
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to speak with me again. At this time, I proceeded
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to the fifth floor lockup where I went to the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: cell where Dahmer, the suspect, was sitting. At this time,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I asked if he had in fact requested to see
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: me again and he stated, yes, I did. At this time,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: myself and Detective Dennis Murphy escorted Dahmer back down to
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the fourth floor CIB to an interview room where we
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: conducted the following investigation. At this time, Dahmer stated that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: his wish to talk to us about an additional two
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: homicides that he forgot to mention in the original interview.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: This information was given to Detective Murphy and he will
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: file a separate detailed supplement regarding this. Also during this interview,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I asked Dahmer, What substance was sprayed on some of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the skulls, which were found in his apartment? As the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: medical examiner stated, there appeared to be paint-like substance on
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: three of the skulls. To this, Dahmer stated that he
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: had gone to the pallet shop, which is an art
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: store located on South Water Street. He states at the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: store he purchased some enamel spray paint, type of color
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: being fake granite. When asked why he used this spray
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: paint on the skulls, he stated he sprayed them in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: order to give them an artificial look. In case someone
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: would see them, they would feel they were not real.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Upon asking which skulls he did spray, he stated the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: black male which he met on 27th Street was one
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of the skulls, the mixed mulatto male which he met
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: at La Cage on West National, and the second skull
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: sprayed and a black male prostitute which he picked up
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in front of 219 S 2nd Street was the second
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: skull that he sprayed. At this time, I also questioned
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Dahmer regarding the numerous boxes of Soilex, which is a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: cleansing powder that was found in his apartment. To this,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: he stated that he used the Soilex along with the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: water solution to boil the heads, which he had decapitated
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: from his victims. He stated that the Soilex would effectively
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: boil off the skin and hair from the skulls in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: about an hour's time. He also stated one of the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: torsos that he had taken from a victim, he had
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: also boiled in a large kettle, which he kept in Soilex.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: At this time, I also questioned Dahmer regarding homicide investigation
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: of Dean Vaughn, who also resided at 924th North 25th
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Street on the third floor. To this, Dahmer stated he
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: recalled several months ago a detective coming to his apartment
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to question him regarding the Dean Vaughn homicide. He states
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: he in no way had anything to do with this.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He states when the detective came to his door, he
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: felt that he was sure he was going to be
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: apprehended for the numerous homicides which he has already admitted to. However,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: when the detective began speaking of a black male by
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the name of Dean Vaughn, he was relieved. As he
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: knew he had nothing to do with that, and he
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: told the detective so. He states he had nothing to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: do with Vaughn's homicide, and since he has already admitted
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to several other homicides, he would not be afraid to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: admit it if he had participated in that offense. At
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: this time, there was one question which I asked Dahmer,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and that was pertaining to the fact that numerous types
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: of ether were found in his apartment. And to this,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he stated that he brought the ether in an attempt
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to use it on some of his victims after he
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: drugged them to attempt to keep them in a sleep-like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: state longer. However, he stated that the ether did not
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: work very well and only made them slightly intoxicated or
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: high and didn't put them to sleep. At this time,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: my part in the interview of Dahmer was terminated. Report
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: dictated by Detective Patrick Kennedy. On Tuesday, 7-23-91, we, Detective
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Dennis Murphy and Patrick Kennedy were requested by the suspect
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to come to the jail so he could give us
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: additional information regarding our investigation. We proceeded to the location
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: where Mr. Jeffrey Dahmer was taken from the jail to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the interview room at the CIB where he stated that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: he had more information regarding other homicides. We advised Mr.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Dahmer of his Miranda rights, and he said he understood,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and he stated, I've told you everything already. I have
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: nothing to hide, so I might as well tell you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: about these ones I forgot. He stated that there was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: one more Hispanic male that he met in Chicago about
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago, just after July 4th, and he stated
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: this Hispanic male was about 25 years old, and he
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: met him at Carol's, a gay bar, on Wells Street.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He stated he and this Hispanic male then took the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Greyhound back to Milwaukee and and the Hispanic male stayed
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: two days. He stated he does not recall his name.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It may have been Tony, but he's not sure. He
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: stated that after the first day they had oral sex
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: with each other and got along together. On the second day,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the Hispanic male stated he was going to be leaving,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: at which time the defendant, Jeffrey, stated he didn't want
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: him to leave, so he gave him sleeping pills and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the coffee in order to keep him there. He stated
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that after he passed out, He then strangled the Hispanic
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: male and dismembered him and put his head in the refrigerator.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He stated he did not boil the head and when
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he would boil the heads, he would use soy lex
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to boil the heads. He stated he also purchased a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: 57-gallon drum in which he put the torsos of three
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of his victims. He stated he then sprayed some of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the skulls with spray paint so they looked artificial. Mr.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Dahmer stated he purchased the spray paint from the art
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: shop on Water Street. I then questioned him regarding the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: torsos in the 57-gallon tank and he stated one was
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that of the Hispanic male from Carol's Bar, one was
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that of the black male on 27th Street, and the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: third one was from a black male he met at
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the bus station in Chicago. I informed him there was
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a skeleton recovered in his apartment and he stated that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: was from the black male he met in front of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the bookstore approximately one year ago. Mr. Dahmer further stated
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: he would cut off the penis and body parts and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: put them in formaldehyde to preserve them and then look
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: at them and masturbate for gratification. He further stated he
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had experimented with ether to put people to sleep, but
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it didn't work. Regarding the other six torsos that apparently
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: are missing and that cannot be accounted for by the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: amount of heads that were discovered in the apartment... He
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: stated that these torsos had been placed in acid and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: were eaten away and then flushed down the toilet when
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they became sludgy. Mr. Dahmer then stated he remembers another victim,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and this homicide occurred about five months ago, and this
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was a black male about 20 years of age who
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: he met at 27th and Wisconsin. He stated he got
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: this individual to pose for him, gave him a drink,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and then cut off his skin. He eventually put the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: skin in acid. He stated he skinned the entire body
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and then boiled the skull of this individual and subsequently
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: disposed of the body in plastic bags after dismembering him.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: He stated that when he would strangle his victim, he
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: used his hands and about four times he used a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: black strap, leather type, that he had bought for that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: specific purpose. Regarding his activities upon joining the army, he
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: stated he joined in 79 and was discharged in March
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of 81, stationed in in Braunholz, Germany. He stated after
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that he went to Florida for a year, returned to Bath,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Ohio in March of 82, and stayed for four months.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: He then returned to the residence of his grandmother. He
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: stated he had originally said the killings started in 84,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: but to the best of his recollection, he believes these
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: killings started in 87. Mr. Dahmer stated this was all
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he could remember at this time, and he does not
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: recall any further information. he will contact myself or Detective Kennedy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: He stated these are the only homicides he can recall
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: being involved in at this time. While questioning Mr. Dahmer
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: regarding the sledgehammer, he used to break the bones of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: his victims while he was living at his grandmother's house.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He stated the sledgehammer was kept in the garage and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: had a gray handle. I was subsequently informed by Detective
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Farmer that they had recovered a sledgehammer in the garage,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and upon Detective Farmer returning to the CIB with the sledgehammer,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It was shown to the defendant and upon viewing it,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: stated this is the sledgehammer he used to break up
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the bones of the victims at 2357 South 57th Street.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: This sledgehammer will be placed in inventory by Detective Farmer.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Alright folks, that's going to wrap up part two. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. All of the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: In the description box. What's up everyone and welcome back
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to the program. In this episode, we're going to get
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: right back to the Jeffrey Dahmer confessions. On Wednesday, July 24th, 1991, I,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Detective Kennedy, Squad 126, along with Detective Dennis Murphy, were
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: requested at approximately 8.30 a.m. by the suspect in this offense,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer, to speak with him. At this time, I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: proceeded to the fifth floor, Lucad, where I in fact
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: asked the suspect, Jeffrey Dahmer, if he had requested to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: speak with me, at which time he stated he did.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I took him with me from the fifth floor down
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to an interview room at the CIB, where we again
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: began to speak of the offense. During this time, Jeffrey
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Dahmer stated that he wished to speak slightly regarding earlier
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: years of his life in Ohio. At this time, he
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: states that he remembers his early family life as being
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: one of the extreme tension. He states that the tension
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: came from the relationship that existed at the time between
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: his mother and his father. He stated although he was
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: not physically or sexually abused and he did not witness
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: any physical abuse from his parents, he stated that they
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: were constantly at each other's throats and arguing. He states
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that his mother appeared to have some psychiatric problems and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: had in fact suffered a nervous breakdown at one time
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: during his early childhood. He states that he was on
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: medication and had been seeing a doctor much of the time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: He states that he was advised by relatives that his
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: mother suffered severe postpartum depression after he was born, and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: he took that as an indication that he was at
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: least partially the problem for his parents' bad marital state.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He states that he believes his mother became depressed after
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: his birth and never quite fully recovered, and thereby he
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: states he felt a certain amount of guilt in regard
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to the bad marriage of his parents. He states that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: when he was approximately 18 years old is when a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: divorce occurred between his mother and his father and at
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: this time his mother moved to Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: his father had been court ordered to stay out of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the house and had moved to a motel which was
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: several miles from the house. He states at this time
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: his mother took his younger brother who was approximately six
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: years younger than him when she moved out and that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: he was left all alone in the house in Richfield, Ohio.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: He states that it was at this time he started
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to have strong feelings of being left all alone and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: that it was at this time that he remembers having
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: strong desires of not wanting people to leave him. He
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: stated it was also at this time that he began
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: hating to sleep alone at night. He further indicates that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it was around this time in his life that he
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: became familiar with alcohol and that he immediately became a
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: heavy drinker and abused alcohol on a regular basis. When
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he went into the army, he indicates that his alcohol
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: intake increased and that he was actually released six months
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: early from the army because of abuses of alcohol. He
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: states that he was a field medic while he was
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: serving in the armed forces. The suspect, Jeffrey Dahmer, states
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that he began having fantasies of killing people at the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: early age of 17 or 18. He states that although
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: these fantasies were fleeting, he feels that he had these
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: fantasies to overcome the feelings he had of frustration and emptiness,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: which he felt, were in his life. He states that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: after he moved to Milwaukee in 81, the fantasies of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: killing people began to excite him and became more frequent.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Regarding his victims, he states that he received physical pleasure
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: from being with victims when they were alive, and he
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: would have preferred that the victims remained alive. However, he
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: states that it was better to have them with him
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: dead than to have them leave. He states that when
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he felt when they were to leave, that is when
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he would decide to kill them. Regarding the fact that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he stated that he had in fact eaten parts of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: one of his victims, he states that he feels that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: by eating parts of the victim, this was his way
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of keeping them with him even longer and making his
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: victims part of himself. At this time, Jeffrey Dahmer answered
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: other questions put to him by Detective Murphy, and he
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: will file a detailed supplementary regarding that part of his interview.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Report per Detective Patrick Kennedy On Wednesday, 7-24-91, at approximately
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: 8-30 a.m., I, along with Detective Patrick Kennedy, were notified
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: by the jail that the suspect in this offense, Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: requested to speak to us regarding this investigation. We proceeded
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to the county jail, where he was taken from the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: cell and conveyed to room 407 at the CIB, where
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: he was re-interviewed by us. We informed Mr. Dahmer of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: his Miranda rights, and he stated he knows his rights,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but he just wants to talk to us regarding this investigation.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: We then talked to him regarding his childhood and family status,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and a supplementary report will be called in reflecting his
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: statements to those questions. We asked Jeffrey some additional questions
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: regarding the first homicide that occurred in Bath, Ohio, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he stated that prior to that he had just started
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: drinking when he was 17 years old. He states his
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: friends were straight that he knew of. He states he
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: had a friend named Jeff Six, and they all smoked
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: marijuana in high school. He states that he did not
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: know of any friends being gay, but that he himself
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: had homosexual tendencies and had never gone out with a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: girl or had sex with any females. He states his
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: first homicide, which occurred, he believes, around October of 78,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: was of a white male hitchhiker whom he describes as
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: 18 years old, 5'10 tall, skinny build, maybe 150 pounds,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: having straight brown collar length hair, not wearing glasses, clean shaven,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and he believes he was not a homosexual. He states
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: he didn't have sex with this individual, he just invited
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: him for a drink, and when the individual wanted to leave,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that's when he hit him with a barbell and subsequently
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: disposed of the body behind his residence. He states he
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: did burn his clothes and identification. He again went through
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the various places that he lived, and after joining the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Army in 79 and being discharged in March of 81,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: where he was a field medic in the Army, he
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: moved to Miami and left about October of 1981. He
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: states that he then went to Bath, Ohio and lived
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: there until around December of 1981 or January of 1982.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He states he then moved to Milwaukee with his grandmother
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: from about December of 81 to to January 82, or
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: until 88, when he moved to 808 North 24th Street.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: He states that he remained there six months to a year,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and then moved to his present address of 924th North
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: 25th Street. He again states that there was no homicides
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: occurring until the one at the Ambassador Hotel, he believes
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: in 84, where the individual died, and he subsequently took
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: him to his grandmother's residence in and there dismembered the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: body and disposed of the body parts. He goes on
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to relate that there were three other homicides at his
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: grandmother's location, and the rest were at his parents' address.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: He states the reason there were no homicides from 78
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to 84 was because he was busy with what he
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: was doing. He said he was busy in the army,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and after work he'd go out drinking with the guys
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and then go to bed and get up and go
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to work. He states when he went to Florida he
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was too busy and when he arrived in Milwaukee he
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: was too busy until he discovered the gay bars. He
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: further states that he did not have a homosexual relationship
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: while he was in the army or in Florida. He
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: states the first experience started after arriving in Milwaukee and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: going to the gay bars. He states that he would
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: not maintain a relationship with the individuals whom he had
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: sex with and most of them were one night stands.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: He states he enjoyed the company of these individuals, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: did not like to see them go. After the murder started,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: he states that being with these other homosexuals gave him
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: pleasure and he preferred them alive. But if they wanted
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to leave and he couldn't have them alive, then he
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: would have them dead and that's why he would dismember
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: them and save either their skulls or other body parts.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He states that the victims whose right bicep he had
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: eaten was one of that he cared for and the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: individual had big biceps. He stated that he put Crisco
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: on the bicep, softened it up with a meat tenderizer,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and then fried it in a skillet. He states he
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: also saved this individual's heart in the freezer and a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: portion of an arm from the blackmail that he had
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: met at a bookstore about one year ago. He states
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he did intend to consume these parts. He also states
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that he had killed the individuals he had anal or
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: oral sex with, the victims after death, but not all
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: of them. He states that when he was in high school,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: he had fantasized about killing someone, but it did not
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: take effect until 78 the first time and then later
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: in 1984 in Milwaukee. We asked him why he didn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: just have oral or anal sex with the individuals while
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: they were alive and let them go. And he stated
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: because he didn't want to lose them and that the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: death and dismemberment led to the excitement and gratification. We
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: then asked him if he ever talked to a psychiatrist
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and he stated that he talked to a Dr. Crowley
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: who works for the social services a couple of times,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: possibly two or three times in the past month or so.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: He states that Dr. Crowley had prescribed medication for him,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but he states he didn't get any because he felt
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't need it. He also states that he was
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: fired from his job on July 17th, 1991. and had
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: he known the week prior that he was going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: get fired, and he feels this is the reason why
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the killings escalated, because he was alone at night and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: did not want to be alone. He had no company
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and felt that these individuals would keep him company. We
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: were then informed by Detective Lieutenant David Kane that his attorney,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrickus, had arrived with a psychiatrist by the name
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of Dr. Smell. Dr. Smell did in fact interview the suspect,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and when he finished the interview, He informed us that
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the suspect wanted to talk to detectives and get cigarettes
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and coffee. We then asked Mr. Dahmer if he would
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: be willing to view the photos that he had taken,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: namely the Polaroids that were recovered in his apartment, and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: try to identify the victims for us, and he stated
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that he would. And he would look at any other
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: photos we had available of any of the alleged victims
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and try to make identification for us. He also stated
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that he will try to remember any physical descriptions of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the victims to help us discover their identity. We then
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: informed Mr. Dahmer of the probable cause hearing which would
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: be taking effect this afternoon and he stated that he
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: would like to talk to us after that hearing. This
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: report was done. by Dennis Murphy. Alright folks, we're going
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to wrap up right here and in the next episode
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we'll pick up where we left off.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up everyone and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're getting
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: right back to the Jeffrey Dahmer Confession. On Wednesday, 7-24-91,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we took the suspect Jeffrey Dahmer from his cell and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: conveyed him to the CIB where he met with his attorney,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Gerald Boyle, and his assistant, Wendy Patrikis. At that time,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: he signed a consent form to talk with us regarding
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: this investigation on anything related to the Wisconsin homicides. At
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: approximately 4-20 p.m., we sat with Jeffrey in room 407
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of the detective bureau and gave him cigarettes, coffee, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: soda and questioned him regarding the Polaroid photos that he
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: had taken of the homicide victims in an attempt to
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: make identification of these individuals and to establish an order
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: of the homicides and what had actually occurred. Mr. Dahmer
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: stated that he would be glad to cooperate with us
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: in any way. We started with the first homicide committed
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and he stated that it occurred in either
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: November of 84 or November of 1985. To the best
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of his recollection, he stated that he met his victim
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and they went to the Ambassador Hotel. He described this
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: individual as a white male, 25 years old, 5'6, 130 pounds,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: slim build, blonde hair, shoulder length straight, maybe parted in
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the middle, and clean shaven. He stated that he was
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a fair complected and smooth skin and was possibly wearing jeans.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He indicated that he went to the hotel with the individual.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They were drinking, and he gave them a drink which
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: contained sleeping pills. When he awoke, the subject was dead
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: next to him and blood was coming from his mouth.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: He stated that he then put the subject in a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: suitcase and took a cab to his grandmother's house at
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: 2357 South 57th Street where he drained the blood, cut
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the body up, and used a sledgehammer to break the bones.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: He stated that he then disposed of the body in
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a plastic garbage bag. He indicated that in January of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: 85 or 86, he met victim number two in front
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of the 219 club on 2nd Street. He stated that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the victim was waiting for a bus, which was heading
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: towards the south side. He described this individual as a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Hispanic male, 16 to 18, 6 foot, 150 pounds, slim build,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: dark straight, short hair, clean shaven, possibly wearing a shirt
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and tennis shoes. He stated that when he met this
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: individual and all of the victims, he would approach them
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and asked if they would like to make money by
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: posing for him in the nude, viewing videos and coming
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: for a drink at his residence. He related that he
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: would offer various amounts of money to these individuals. He
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: stated that each individual accepted his offer and would go
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: with him to the residence. He indicated that the second
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: victim went to his grandmother's house with him taking the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: potion killed by him. strangulation, and then smashed the bones
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer and disposed of the bones. He stated
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that he did not keep anything from this individual, nor
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: did he keep anything from the first victim. The third
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: victim he met about two months later, probably March of
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: 1985 or 86. He stated that he met another Hispanic
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: male in the Phoenix Bar located on 2nd Street near
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the 219 Club. He related that this individual was a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Hispanic male, 19 to 21 years old, 5'8, 130, slim build,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: light brown complexion, having straight, short black hair, clean shaven,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and smooth skin. He was wearing a long knee-length brownish
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: vinyl coat. He stated he asked this individual to come
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to his residence to look at videos, take photos, or
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: engage in sex. He stated that this victim did accompany
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: him to his grandmother's house where he had oral sex
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: with him. He then proceeded to drug this individual so
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: he slept. He subsequently killed him, dismembered the body, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: disposed of it. He related that he did not keep
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: any body parts from this victim. The fourth victim, whom
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: he stated he met sometime in 87, but is not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: sure because it could have been when he was at
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: his grandmother's house the second time in 89. He was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: not sure of his dates, but he stated that he
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: did meet this individual at La Cage at closing time
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: upon viewing a photo of Anthony Sears, date of birth 12865,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: He stated that this is the individual that he believes
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: he met at La Cage. He described his victim as
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a black male, 21-22 years old, 5'9, 150 pounds, slim
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to medium build, light complexion, having short curly hair, a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: small ponytail and back with a rubber band. He stated
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that he was wearing jeans. He stated that this individual,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and he identified as Anthony Sears through a photo of
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Anthony Sears, got into his friend's auto, and his friend
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: drove him to his grandmother's house. He described the auto
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: as a large, beat-up, older model, dark blue. He indicated
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that after arriving at the residence, he used the same
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: ploy to get the individual to come with him. He
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: related that when they got there, they engaged in sex,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: he gave them a drink, and subsequently killed them and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: dismembered the body. He indicated that this is the first
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: one where he kept anything of the individual. He stated
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that he kept the victim's skull which he boiled to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: remove all the skin. He kept the scalp with the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: small ponytail because he liked it and he kept the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: genitals of this person. He stated at the time of
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: this arrest it was the black metal cabinet. He also
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: stated to preserve the skull and genitals he had called
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the hardware store and asked what would dry out rabbit skin.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and they recommended acetone, which he used to dry out
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the scalp and genital area. He stated the reason he
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: kept the scalp was because he liked it. He also
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: stated that the skull he kept, he painted. The fifth
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: victim was two months after he moved into the apartment
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: at 924 North 25th Street, which he figures was in 1990.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: He stated that this individual was the first one he
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: also took photos of. We showed him a photo album
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: which contained 15 photos of a black male in various
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: positions and he identified this individual as the person he
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: met in the 219 club area and offered him the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: same line as to come to be photographed to have
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a drink and look at dirty videos. He indicated that
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this victim agreed and took him to 924 North and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: there he drugged him and subsequently killed him by strangulation.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: After removing his clothes, he saw the tattoo Cash D
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: on his chest with a pitchfork going up above the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: name Cash. The photograph in the album depicts this openly.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: He described this individual as a black male, 22 years,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: 5'8 to 5'9, 140 pounds, curly black hair with a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: slight mustache. The photo also depicts this. He stated that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: after Cash D had died, he had oral sex on him.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: The next individual, Victim 6, was met at the Phoenix
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: on 2nd Street, and he again approached this individual with
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the same line as to having to pose for photos
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and having to view videos and drink. He describes this
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: individual as a black male, about 24, 6'2, 170 pounds,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: medium build, dark skin, prematurely bald, close cut hair, clean shaven,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and he said, he used to be with the Milwaukee Ballet.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: He states that he had oral sex with this individual
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and then killed him by the same procedure, drugging him
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: until he slept, strangled him, then dismembering him. He states
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: he did not keep anything from this individual. Upon viewing
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a photograph of a missing person, he identified victim number
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: six being Smith Edward Warren. He states that this photo
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: does look like the individual picked up and states he
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: did not keep any body parts. Regarding victim number five,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Cash D., He states he did keep this individual's skull
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and painted it after it had dried out. He then
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: continued on with victim number seven, who he stated he
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: met in front of the bookstore in the 800 block
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of 27th Street. He states this occurred in the summer
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of 1990 and he describes them as a blackmail. 24,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: 6 foot, 160 pounds, medium build, medium complexion, chin whiskers,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: short black hair, and states he approached him with the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: same line, had sex, and then drugged him and killed
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: him by cutting his throat. He states that after taking
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: photos of this individual, he dismembered him, disposed of the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: body parts, except for his bicep, which he kept in
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the freezer, and his skull, which he painted after the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: skin was removed and it had dried. He states he
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: met victim number eight at the second and Wisconsin by
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the bank about two months after victim number seven. He
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: states that this individual was a black male, about 25
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: foot nine, 150 pounds, slim build, medium to dark complexion,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: short black hair. And they walked to his residence up
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin Avenue. He states he approached them with the same line.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And when they got into his apartment, they drank and talked,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: but didn't have any sex because he wasn't his type.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: He states that he killed him because he had already
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: given this individual the potion and after doing that he
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: did not want to have sex with him and he
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: thought this individual would wake up and be pissed off
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: so he killed him. He states he did not keep
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: anything from this individual after he dismembered him because the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: man wasn't his type. He continues on that he met
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: victim number nine in February of 91, and the subject
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: was waiting for a bus by Marquette. He states this
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: occurred about four months after meeting victim number eight. He
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: describes this individual as a black male, 18, six foot,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: 140 pounds, slim build, medium complexion, with a 3-inch perm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and a thin mustache. He states that he approached him
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: with the same offer, and when the guy agreed to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: accompany him to his apartment, subsequently gave him the drink,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: had oral sex, and then killed him by strangulation. He
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: stated that he used the strap to strangle him, this time,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and that the subject was wearing an earring. He states
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that he kept the skull of this individual, the hands,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and the genitals. Upon viewing a family photograph, which was
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: submitted by one of the relatives, this individual was identified
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: as being Curtis Staudter, date of birth 4-16-73. He continued
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that he met the victim number 10 in March of
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: 91 on the corner of 27th and Kilbourne. He described
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: him as a black male, 25, 5'9-5'10, 150 pounds, short
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: black hair, medium build, and a medium complexion. He stated
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that he went through the same procedure in meeting this
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: individual and the same offers, and upon getting him to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: his residence, he subsequently drank the potion where he strangled
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: him and had oral sex with the victim after his death. Mr.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Dahmer viewed the photo of Errol Lindsay and states he
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: believes it's the same individual whom he identified as victim
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: number 10. He states he also saved this individual's skull.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Alright folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic we're going
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. All of the
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the program. In this episode we're going to pick up
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: where we left off with the Jeffrey Dahmer confession. He
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: continued on that he met victim number 10 in March
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of 1991 on the corner of 27th and Kilbourne. He
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: described him as a black male, 25, 5'9 to 5'10,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: 150 pounds, short black hair, medium build, and medium complexion.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: He stated that he went through the same procedure in
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: meeting this individual and the same offers and upon getting
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: him to his residence he subsequently drank the potion where
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: he strangled him and had oral sex with the victim
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: after his death. Mr. Dahmer viewed the B of I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: photo of Errol Lindsay and states he believes it's the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: same individual whom he identified as victim number 10. He
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: states that he also saved this individual's skull. He then
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: continued and stated that he met victim 11 in front
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: of the 219 bar on 2nd Street around May of 91,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and this individual was deaf and dumb. He states that
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: this individual's friends drove him to 23rd and Wells and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: they were a white female and a heavyset white male,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and they were also deaf mutes. He states that he
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: communicated with this individual by writing, and that he felt
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: this individual could read lips partially. He states he offered
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: this individual 50 bucks to come over and take photos,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: to view videos, but it was not known if he
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: had sex. He states that he gave this individual the
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: drinking potion, passed out, and when he woke up, he
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: was dead. He states he continued through the same procedure
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: as to drain the body of blood, dismembered it, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: disposed of it, and what he did keep this individual's skull.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: He then viewed a Wisconsin driver's license with a photo
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of Tony Hughes, date of birth 8-26-59, described as 6 foot,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: 150 pounds, and lives at Kobe Street in Madison, Wisconsin.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And upon viewing this photo, he states that is the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: deaf mute that he had met at the bar and
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: took to his house and subsequently killed. He identified him
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: as victim number 11. He stated he then met victim
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: number 12 in late May in front of Grand Avenue Mall.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: He states that he went through the same procedure of
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: offering money to have photos taken and he describes this
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: individual as being an oriental male, about 14, but whom
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: he thought at first was 17 or 18. 5'5, 120 pounds,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: slim build, and having dark hair. He states that him
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and this male took the bus to his residence and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: this individual posed for two photos while he was alive
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and then he gave him the drink mixture which contained
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: a sleeping potion. He states they were watching videos and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: this individual passed out. He states that they then had
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: oral sex with him and then went to the bar
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to get some beer because he ran out of beer.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: He states that when he was walking back from the bar,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: which was located just north of Kilbourne called the Gare
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Bay Bar. He saw the oriental mail staggering down the street.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: He states he went up to him and the police
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: stopped him. He states that he told the police that
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: he was a friend of this individual and he had
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: gotten drunk and done it before. The police escorted them
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: back to his apartment and he stated he would take
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: care of him because he is his friend. He states
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: he then went into the apartment and subsequently killed this
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: individual in the same way as he killed the others
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: by strangulation and after this he had oral sex on
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the victim. He states he then took more photographs and
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: dismembered the body keeping the skull. He also states that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: he had anal sex with the victim after death. After
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: viewing the photographs of the victim that he took, this
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: was the same individual that had run down the street
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: and was stopped by the police. A check of records
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: revealed that this individual had been identified. I can't pronounce
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: his name, so I'll try my best, but... He had
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: been missing since May 26, 1991. The next individual he
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: met at a Chicago bus station after the Gay Pride
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Parade on June 30 in Chicago. He describes this individual
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: as a black male, 22, 5'8, 140 pounds, medium build,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: dark complexion, having a high top fade cut on the
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: left side. He states he met this individual and went
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: through the same procedure to offer him money to pose
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: for nudes and view videos. He states this individual and
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: himself took a Greyhound back to the city and then
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: took a city vet cab to his residence. He states
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: he usually does use city vet cab. He states that
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: they were playing with each other, but they had no sex.
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  Speaker 1: He states that he gave him the drink and when
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: he subsequently passed out, He then used the strap to
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  Speaker 1: kill him. He states that he did not have sex
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  Speaker 1: with this individual, but he did dismember him, kept his head,
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  Speaker 1: and put it in the freezer. He said the body
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: was put in the 57-gallon barrel that he had in
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: his residence. A print was obtained from this individual, and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: he was identified as being, possibly, from Donald Montrell. Date
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of birth, 7-3, 1970. This individual is from Chicago and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the photo was sent from Chicago to Milwaukee which depicted
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a picture of this individual photographed on May 3, 1990.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: This photograph was shown to the individual Jeffrey Dahmer and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: he stated it looks like the guy but he cannot
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: be sure because the photo is old. Upon viewing this
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: photo it appears that the nose and lips and eyes
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: are this individual and it is in fact the individual
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Donald Montrell. We then continued on with the photographs he
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: had taken and the 14th victim. He states he almost
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: met in Chicago at Carol's Gay Bar after the 4th
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: of July, possibly the 5th or 6th of July. He
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: states he stayed at the bar until about 4.30 a.m.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and then left with this individual because he made the
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: same deal with them to come to Milwaukee to view
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: videos and post for him. He states that they took
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the Greyhound bus from Chicago till Milwaukee and then took
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a cab to his residence. He describes this individual as
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: possibly a Puerto Rican male, 23 to 24, 5'10, 140 pounds,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: slim build, light to medium complexion, short black hair and
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: thin mustache. He states that this individual was half Puerto
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Rican and half Jewish. He states that this individual stayed
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: for two days and that they had oral sex together
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the first day. He states on the second day, the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: individual wanted to leave, at which time he decided he
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: did not want him to leave, so... He gave him
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the drink with the sleeping potion in it, and he
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: fell asleep and states he killed him the same way
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: he did the others, took the photos of him, dismembered him,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: took more photos, and then kept the head in the freezer.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: We had obtained a name as possibly being Jeremiah Weinberger
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: due to the fact that there was a missing report
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: from Chicago and a photo was brought to Milwaukee by
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Chicago detectives, and upon viewing this photo, he identified it
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: as victim number 14. The photo is that of Jeremiah Weinberger,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Puerto Rican male, date of birth 9-26-67, from Chicago, Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: He states that after he killed him, he put his
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: head in the freezer and put his body in the
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: same 57-gallon drum in his apartment. He then went on
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: to identify victim 15, whom he states he met on
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: 27th Street between State and Kilbourne a week prior to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: being caught, and states this was his second-to-last victim. He
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: identified this individual as a black male, 24, 5 foot
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: 7 160 to 170 pounds having short hair a muscular
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: build and he states that his ID was in his
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: wallet a check revealed that this individual has been identified
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: as Oliver Lacey and showed his photograph to the suspect
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and he stated that this is in fact the individual
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: who was his 15th victim and second to last to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: die he states that he met him on 27th Street,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: when he asked where he was going, and this individual
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: stated that he was going to his cousin's house. He
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: then went through the same procedure as to invite him
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: over to his residence to pose for photos, and he
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: stated that this guy was a bodybuilder and a model,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and he agreed to come along. He states he was
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: wearing a white shirt, blue jeans, and some type of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: leather shoes. He states when they arrived, At his residence,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: they removed their clothes and were doing body rubs and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: he gave them the drink and when the individual fell asleep,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: he proceeded to strangle him, killing him, and then having
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: anal sex after death. He states he put the individual's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: head in the bottom of the refrigerator, in a box,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and kept his heart in the freezer to eat later.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: He states he did keep his right bicep, which he
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: subsequently fried on the skillet and ate part of it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: He stated it tasted like beef. He stated the reasons
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: he kept this individual's identification, because he wanted more pictures
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: than he had taken of him in the various positions
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: that he had placed him in. Victim number 16, whom
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: he stated was his last victim, was identified by the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: suspect through an ID card that he had left at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: his apartment. This individual is identified as Joseph Bredhoft from Illinois. Mr.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Dahmer states that he met him on Wisconsin Avenue near
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Marquette University. and this individual was waiting for a bus
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and had a six-pack in his right arm. He states
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that he got off the bus and approached them with
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the same offer as he did the others, and this
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: individual agreed to go along with him. He states that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: he went to his residence where he had oral sex
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: on this individual before killing him. He states that he
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: gave him the potion, and when the individual went to sleep,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: he strangled him with the strap. He states that he
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: subsequently put his head in the freezer and his body
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: in the same blue 57-gallon barrel in his residence. He
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: states that these are the only homicides he has committed
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: and that the only other one was the one we
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: knew about in 78, which was the one in Bath, Ohio. Mr.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Dahmer states that he is still willing to cooperate with
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: us if we have any more photos or people that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: are missing that may have identification on them. and he
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: will be glad to view photos to try to make
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: an identification of the other unknown victims. As of this report,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: we have 10 tentative identifications, with some being positive and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: possibly an 11th, that being victim number 5, who has
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the tattoo of Cash D on his chest with the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: pitchforks going up. A check of the gang's crimes unit
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: revealed that they had stuck up an individual identified as
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Mark Lee Brown with an address in Chicago, gang member
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: from Chicago that does have a tattoo of Cash D
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: on his right chest area. Detective Barber will attempt to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: locate this individual during his tour of duty. Further investigation pending.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Alright folks, we're going to wrap up right here, and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with a topic, we'll pick
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All of the information that
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