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INTERVIEW: Ari Lennox Talks New Album ‘Vacancy’, Leaving Dreamville Records, Upcoming Tour, Dating + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, pick up the breakfast club morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the j Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne de goud
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  Speaker 2: We are the breakfast Club La La Roses here as well,
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  Speaker 2: and we got a special guest in the buildings.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Ari Lennox, welcome back already.
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  Speaker 1: How you feeling.
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  Speaker 4: Feel a good?
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  Speaker 1: How's your energy this morning? Good?
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  Speaker 4: Amazing? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And holly favored?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, me too.
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  Speaker 1: Vacancy is out right.
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  Speaker 4: Now, that's right. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Vacancy can mean a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It can mean emptiness, yep, it can mean opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: What exactly became vacant in your life that allowed this
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  Speaker 5: version of Ari Lennox to exist and create this project.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just the repetitiveness of my dating life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The album encompasses avoid that needs to be filled, and
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  Speaker 4: that can be romantic, it can be platonic. It can mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in a business way, it's just a metaphor
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  Speaker 4: or whatever that means to you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, is it platonic?
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  Speaker 6: We got let's forget biopic biopics. I think depending on
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  Speaker 6: how you.
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  Speaker 1: Can be having us saying the wrong word, is it
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? You're the person, all right, camera, that's lovely.
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  Speaker 6: So on this project, you go in and out of
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  Speaker 6: your space, whether it's your heart, your physical space, and
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  Speaker 6: maya energy being vacant then being occupied then not. It's
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  Speaker 6: all over place. But it's a good journey. But so
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  Speaker 6: where are you in real life after this album? In
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  Speaker 6: the dating world? Like what like?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just alone, but.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 4: It is thirty four years of like romantic loneliness. But
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  Speaker 4: it's cool. No, it's all right. I'm doing great. I'd
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  Speaker 4: rather be by myself than in anything toxic or unhealthy.
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  Speaker 4: So it is what it is, you know, I'm okay,
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  Speaker 4: turn it up though, I to turn up, which is
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  Speaker 4: my tea.
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  Speaker 6: You own house Cats, you said you be wanting.
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  Speaker 4: To and right here, I have this hot water.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have no damn t in
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  Speaker 2: the club that night.
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  Speaker 4: But you saw me years ago, years ago.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was like, what two years ago?
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  Speaker 4: Last year? Last year? Oh yeah, I had my hookah
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  Speaker 4: I stopped. I had to stop though. Yeah, I made
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  Speaker 4: a pack of the man. It's okay. I mean last
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  Speaker 4: year I wasn't singing, but this year I am. So
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  Speaker 4: we got a tour coming up, you know, the Vacancy
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  Speaker 4: tour starts April twelfth, So yeah, I want to be
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  Speaker 4: vocally prepared for it. So no more hookah for me.
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  Speaker 6: But so, but you're still on your sobriety journey right
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  Speaker 6: drinking want but you said you made a pack with
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  Speaker 6: the man. That's what made you stop? Yes, what happened
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  Speaker 6: to that made you said? He was horrible, he.
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  Speaker 4: Was trifling, he had a secret girlfriend, or he had
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  Speaker 4: a girlfriend. I guess I was the secret and I
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  Speaker 4: had no idea and I haven't spoke to him since
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  Speaker 4: once he told me. So you don't like her?
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  Speaker 1: You never liked the Escape song You're my little Secret.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't be I do.
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  Speaker 4: Love that song. I love escape, So yeah, I could
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  Speaker 4: not be a secret. No, but I do love that song.
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  Speaker 4: They was singing, somebody want to keep You a Secret.
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  Speaker 4: I think it just speaks to the state of dating
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  Speaker 4: out here. It's just incredibly depressing. I feel like for everybody.
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  Speaker 4: You know, So it is what it is?
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  Speaker 6: Are there songs on this project about him? I know
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  Speaker 6: that you've been working on this for some time from him?
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  Speaker 6: Hell no, okay, because under the Moon talks about somebody
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  Speaker 6: that's a big could be a big toxic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was someone else. Oh that was one of
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  Speaker 4: my exes. And I don't even know if he counts
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  Speaker 4: as an ex It was like a month long relationship.
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  Speaker 3: It counts, so it counts really well, well, it depends
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  Speaker 3: all right, Now, do you feel that you had a connection.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my god Jesus, like, thank yoush face than you
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  Speaker 4: in your hair.
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  Speaker 3: Don't look confused, he was confused.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: You know that that depends, right, Did you have a
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  Speaker 3: strong connection with him? Do you feel like you loved him?
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  Speaker 3: Because the month can you A month can be short
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  Speaker 3: to some people, but that could mean a long time.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about the time, it's about how you connected
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  Speaker 3: with him, how he made you feel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I don't feel like I loved him. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it was because I think in order to
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  Speaker 4: love someone, you have to accept them for all that
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  Speaker 4: they are, and I feel like we did not accept
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  Speaker 4: each other for our truest selves, And for that reason,
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe it was love at all. Probably just infatuation,
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  Speaker 4: which I said it is just that repetitive theme. I
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  Speaker 4: think there were a lot of secure energies that entered
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  Speaker 4: my life that I wasn't ready for and now they're
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  Speaker 4: getting married. All these secure people that I like, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't under I didn't recognize that safety like in them. Then,
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  Speaker 4: I think, because there's so much chaos inside of me,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm working through it. I have my therapist and
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  Speaker 4: I'm a lot more aware of it now, those red
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  Speaker 4: flags and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Do you love fast?
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  Speaker 2: Do you like trust fast when it comes to dating?
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  Speaker 4: I do, I do, But I don't think it's love.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's like trauma or something I think, or
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  Speaker 4: a kink, some type of like love kink. I think
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  Speaker 4: I have that because I'll be quick to be like,
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah, I love you, but it's like we're fucking.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like like, of course I do right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's nice. The sex is really nice. And sometimes that
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  Speaker 4: can be just a little misleading, a little confusing. The
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  Speaker 4: emotions are high, and I think just in general, my
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  Speaker 4: emotions run extremely high, so I tend to romanticize and
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  Speaker 4: exaggerate things.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't you just love sexual? If somebody flips you
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  Speaker 5: and fold you and put you.
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  Speaker 4: A song, I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't you just love the physical act?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Why does it have to be anything else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, I can love it. But I think
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  Speaker 4: a part of sex for me is a very passionate thing,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just ironic because a lot of the times
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  Speaker 4: it isn't or it hasn't been in my past, very
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  Speaker 4: passionate and like, yeah, I think, yeah, all my relationships
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  Speaker 4: were kind of just surfaced for real. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to be in love clearly?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Do I?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think you've ever been?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, I thought so, but no, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: I have now that I know what it means to
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  Speaker 4: be because it's a choice every day. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: I ever made that choice every day in those relationships.
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  Speaker 5: You're in therapy, right, And I go to therapy a
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  Speaker 5: lot as well, and your therapist will all often tell
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  Speaker 5: you that your first, last, and best love is self love,
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  Speaker 5: Like you can't love anybody else. Yeah, until you truly
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  Speaker 5: love yourself? Do you think that part of the reason.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. My therapist is amazing. She has me doing these
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  Speaker 4: exercises every morning where I have to look at myself
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  Speaker 4: in the mirror and that's like so hard, like I'm
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  Speaker 4: speaking to myself and I like who am I? And
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  Speaker 4: so it's been helpful, but It's definitely been an exercise
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  Speaker 4: that I avoid. I think it's just it's it's hard, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: to face myself. But I'm getting closer, and it's amazing
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  Speaker 4: how long therapy has happened. She's been telling me that
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  Speaker 4: I need to read this book called The Courage to Trust,
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  Speaker 4: and I've been avoiding it. And it's just I know
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  Speaker 4: I could be so much farther in my journey. It's
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  Speaker 4: funny that I'm just prolonging healing in that way. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: one day I'll read it. One day I'll be able
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  Speaker 4: to breeze through that mirror exercise. But yeah, So those
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  Speaker 4: are ways that I'm like practicing self love, slowly facing
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  Speaker 4: myself and learning who I am.
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  Speaker 2: Is it the trust issues?
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  Speaker 4: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the trust issues because you are a celebrity?
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  Speaker 2: You are, so it's understanding why somebody's coming into your space?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Is it because they really like me?
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  Speaker 2: Is it they love the idea of what's going on
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  Speaker 2: around me? Is it because I am a celebrity? Is
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  Speaker 2: that a big trust issue when it comes to you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, how do you.
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  Speaker 1: Go through that?
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  Speaker 4: I have every right to have trust issues in that regard.
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  Speaker 4: I think men think I'm this barbie like they see
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  Speaker 4: me online sometimes and I look like this or something
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  Speaker 4: and they think that's how I am all the time,
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  Speaker 4: when really I have a pickup truck, I got two
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  Speaker 4: big dogs. I'm in the middle of nowhere on the
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  Speaker 4: water in the woods. It's a little creepy to people,
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  Speaker 4: but I love it, you know. And I take my
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  Speaker 4: trash to the landfill. All these kind of things that
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  Speaker 4: I don't think a man would ever expected me. I
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  Speaker 4: have multiple properties and things of that nature. I do
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  Speaker 4: not do that. I do have a lawnmower, but no
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  Speaker 4: one will teach me how to use it. So there
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  Speaker 4: is a I have a company finally that does it
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  Speaker 4: for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you learned?
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  Speaker 3: Like you learned, you learned something new about yourself and
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  Speaker 3: every relationship that.
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  Speaker 4: You Yes, yes, my last one definitely taught me to
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  Speaker 4: figure out what the hell is going on inside of me.
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  Speaker 4: Like I realized, oh, okay, I have an anxious attachment style,
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  Speaker 4: and then I realized, oh, I'm also avoidant, Like this
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  Speaker 4: is this has been this battle that I've been facing.
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  Speaker 4: And I think until like heal that more, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think I'll be able to dig deeper. In a relationship.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's always going to be that block.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so interesting because when I listen to your music,
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  Speaker 5: I hear a self awareness, right I do you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean at least or at least that you're
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  Speaker 5: comfortable with what it is that you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and who you're doing it with.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I get from it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but what you mean, like, and so you think
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  Speaker 4: that means you're confused about me having trust issues? Are
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  Speaker 4: you saying?
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  Speaker 5: Because I feel like you got to trust yourself enough
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  Speaker 5: to even.
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  Speaker 1: To be able to even move like that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well the music that you make, that's easy.
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  Speaker 3: The music that you make is like it resonates with
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  Speaker 3: women like navigating self worth and growth and love. So
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  Speaker 3: it is kind of hard to here you sit here
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  Speaker 3: and say like the opposite. No, like it's hard for
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  Speaker 3: you to find love or you know something like that,
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  Speaker 3: or just everything that you feel, like you said is
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  Speaker 3: inside of you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel that in your music.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, like, oh you got it all together? This
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  Speaker 3: girl is? You make me want to go telling niggas
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  Speaker 3: fuck you? You know, because you know your worth, you
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  Speaker 3: know what you want and you know what you will
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  Speaker 3: stand for and what you want in a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I get from your music.
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  Speaker 4: That's why that's me too. I know my worth and
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  Speaker 4: when it's time to go, I'm definitely you know, I
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: block and you know, delete that thread and cut people off.
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  Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean yeah, I'm doing all right.
• 10:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And your press release for a Vacancy, one of
• 11:02
  Speaker 6: the lines I wrote down was our new album, Vacancy
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  Speaker 6: signals a sophisticated new chapter defined by creative autonomy, confidence
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  Speaker 6: and growth.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like.
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  Speaker 6: Shaye butter Baby was that. I felt like, like all
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  Speaker 6: of the projects are that you so and this process
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  Speaker 6: took you three It was three years but for years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I didn't feel like it was done. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure I stressed out the label, my management shout
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: out to Jaha and Justin, I know I stressed them out,
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  Speaker 4: but I knew the album wasn't done. And thank god
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: everyone dragged me for like my singles, it kind of
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: encouraged me to let me get back to the studio,
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  Speaker 4: make some more soul music, make some more pop leaning music,
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  Speaker 4: and just yeah, and then I knew I was I
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  Speaker 4: felt relief. I knew it was time Okay, it's done,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm really proud.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good it's a great album, and it does
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  Speaker 5: feel like it feels like a reset, you know, musically
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  Speaker 5: and personally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So did leaving dream Bill create that you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Were you already evolving and just needed space to show it?
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  Speaker 4: Let me see? No, I feel like I've That's the
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  Speaker 4: beauty about Dreamville. They've always created that atmosphere of just like,
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  Speaker 4: follow your heart, do what you want to do, and
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  Speaker 4: and so it was it's always been beautiful, like I've
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  Speaker 4: always had that creative freedom. And then Innerscope is really
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  Speaker 4: amazing with supporting me and that too, like they've never
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  Speaker 4: pushed me to do anything that I didn't want to do.
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  Speaker 4: Same thing with Dreamville. So it's always been like beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: really healthy.
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  Speaker 2: You know that seems like you and have a great relationship.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: How did you and JD hook up? And how did
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: that expand to where it is now?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Between Justin and the labels, they put together a
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  Speaker 4: session and we created pressure and we've just been cool
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  Speaker 4: ever since. He's lovely. He's an amazing marketing giant. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he'd be in the streets shouting, never body out. Everybody
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  Speaker 4: he works with. He's just lovely and he's really easy
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  Speaker 4: to work with in the studio. He's not pushy or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that. He's just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, how does he stretch your artistry?
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  Speaker 4: Stretch it? How does he stretch it? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: just I mean, he just encourages me to talk about
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: all kinds of different things. He's playing all types of
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  Speaker 4: different beats. Let me tell you something. When we get
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: in the studio, if you play me a sexy beat,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a fucking beat, freaky as hell on that beat,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But if you play he's
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  Speaker 4: something that makes me want to fight, I'm gonna talk
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  Speaker 4: some angry ship, you know. So it really does just
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: depend on the vibe. So yeah, have you.
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  Speaker 1: Ever got confusing to fight on?
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  Speaker 4: WHOA? Never? Not yet?
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know it's time to leave Dreamville when this is.
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  Speaker 4: No? Because I feel like every time I kind of
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: have arguments with people, it seems like the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the end. And I don't really think I say the
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  Speaker 4: worst things. I just think I don't know the balloon pop,
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  Speaker 4: So it must be some type of surfaced energy maybe
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  Speaker 4: I'm just not opening up enough to where they really
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  Speaker 4: think I'm somebody else and then they find out, oh,
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  Speaker 4: she's a human or like you know what I'm saying,
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: and it's just they don't like that human. So I
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: don't know. I would like to get in a relationship
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  Speaker 4: where like, okay, not we're yelling and screaming, but like
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  Speaker 4: we had a disagreement and that's okay, and now we're
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: kissing and everything's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Do you cross that line, because it seems like you
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: said you cross that line? Do you cross that line
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know there's a line in the
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: argument where you know you don't need to go right,
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  Speaker 2: you know it is gonna hurt somebody's feelings. Do you
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  Speaker 2: cross that line in that argument?
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think all the time. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: that now all the time. I think it's just me
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  Speaker 4: needing time to snap out of it, or maybe an
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  Speaker 4: energy that's a lot more understanding and like I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: wanting to you know what helps me, Like when someone's
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  Speaker 4: just like I don't want to fight, and I'll also
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  Speaker 4: like express that too, like I don't want to fight,
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  Speaker 4: and that disarms me a bit, and I feel like
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  Speaker 4: that can disarm both people.
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  Speaker 3: Are right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Yeah, you only got to say that to
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  Speaker 5: people who you know like to fight.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you only say because you know, if you know
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  Speaker 5: the person well enough, you're like, look, I don't want
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: to fight. You already know what's gonna set the more.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: You only say that to people who you know like
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  Speaker 5: to fight.
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  Speaker 4: No, that was the first time me and this person
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: had an argument. And I wonder if I said it
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: or he said it first. I don't know, but I mean,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: we never had an argument until that moment, and we
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: just literally got along. But I guess we were just
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: minting our words so much, and maybe that's why I
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: blew up the way.
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  Speaker 6: That it did.
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  Speaker 5: But you're a communicator, You write songs, you actually communicate
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  Speaker 5: for a living, So I'm sure you can communicate in
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  Speaker 5: the country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I do. When things get really spicy,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: like if we're yelling, I know it's time. It's time
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: for it to be over. I think yelling is like toxic.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest thing that you guys would argue over.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, this was just what happened. He didn't like it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: When I would say no, he was okay, I had
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: been working out. Okay, let me explain. Yeah, I'm sorry,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: let me continue. So I was in the gym all
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: day and I was tired, and then I asked him.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, can you like stretch with me, like
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: let's stretch or whatever? And he was like sure, and
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: then he started doing all of these like things, a
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: dance stretching routine that I was tired. So I kind
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: of just stopped and sat down, and he was pissed.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: And so then we went to chappol l and we
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: were eating and he just was giving me the silent
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: treatment and he was holding his chips so tight and no,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but he was holding his ship so
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: tight and he usually shares his chips. So I'm just like,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: are you going. I feel like we weren't aligned, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: that's all, like I think everyone's different. Then he put
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: his hands out to prey and I just was like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: you know what if I don't want to pray? It
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: was awkward. Okay, this was a build up for me
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: because he never asked me if I was comfortable. And
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I know this may sound bad, but praying in public
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: with the hands at Chipotle.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: The first time we got in a circle and I
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: don't mind that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: It's just it was just atch in North Hollywood.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: After Chips, his dog, his vibe that he was giving
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you before you know what I'm saying. I think if
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: he if y'all was good and he ain't do all
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that balat and didn't want to do all that, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: y'all had a great stretch.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: You didn't ask me how we should stretch. He didn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: want to reach stretch, didn't want he asked me to scratch.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I came to But if she was having that like.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: A praise dad God, I love God.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I just think if you if he was, if he
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: was giving off a better vibe and she right and
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable, like you want to pray, but your little
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: vibe a little off. So I'm gonna pray to myself.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I don't want to pray with you right now.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: That could have been the chips or was it the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: praying that bothered you the most?
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: No, it was just all of it combined. And then
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: as we were walking I'm not an atheist all like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I thank God, but yeah, so I think after that
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: we're walking home and I'm like, you know what, you
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: don't like being told no? And that was the beginning
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: of the end. I think we both blacked out a bit.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: You remember the conversation, I know, that's all I remember.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I just know we were just going back and forth,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: and I eventually said, this is not gonna work, which
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: is a terrible thing like to say in a relationship.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I think, I don't. It's something I heard my dad
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: saying all the time growing up, and I really feel
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like I've adopted that so like when things are like
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: really rough, this is not gonna work, or like just
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: kind of fall back a bit. So I think those
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: things can be hurtful to a partner. Absolutely.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: When your dad was saying it, was it just about
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: things in life in general? Was it a relationship with
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: your mom? Or like what was your dad saying in reference.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: To just everything, any type of argument he would have
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: with anyone, any type of conflict, or he was pissed
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: at his kids for doing this or that. It was
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: this isn't gonna work. And I just feel like I
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: definitely do that, like, you know, as a response, as
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: a defense mechanism, I think, because yeah, things aren't things
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: don't have to be that extreme, you know, every time.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure that was really hurtful.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: To him, you know, and words that power if you
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: keep seeing something not gonna work.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And you are an Aries right now, very spicy, like
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you said, my beef first spicy. So do you sign
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I'm an Aquarius?
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Wonderful and aquaries Cole that's right?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't. I don't know that. I
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: don't a lot to keep things on even kill you.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I got that from the Departed. That was a movie.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I love that movie, Leonard movies like that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna what is going on?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Do you think somebody's zodiac sign plays the part in
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: whether or not you'll date them?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: No, I will state I will still date anybody and
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: it doesn't have anything to do with their sign. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I have noticed patterns with certain signs, like Pisces. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: feel like men, at least when it comes to me.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: I don't believe we are very compatible. I think they
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: are literally this a slippery fish that you can never catch,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: very aloof energy.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Bottom of bottom up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Chip.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: No, he was, well, I ain't gonna tell you who
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: he was, and't gonna put it wasn't Oh he was
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: he was a Pisces. Yes, secret family. I feel like
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: there are secrets. There are a lot of secrets that
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: pisces men have, and I I think they're very at
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: least with me and in my experience, surface energies. So
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: there's something in me. I think they think I'm something else,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: and when they realize, oh there's something deeper here, I'm out.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Are these men like celebrities or they're like like what
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: are they?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: No, no one really knows them. No, okay, yeah, do
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: you purposely date like out of the industry? Honestly, I would, Oh, well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I would love to date someone that's well known, but
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I would like to date someone that's not in the industry,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: like a scientist or a historian. I think could be
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: really nice because I like history, I like science and
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: things of that nature. So I want somebody that I
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: can completely just kind of silence my music world. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: don't want to talk about music all day unless it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: old school stuff like that's fun, you know, but like
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the studio stuff and like songs, and like, I couldn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: date a songwriter. I think I would get really exhausted.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I have gotten exhausted. What they want?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He always wanted you to hear lyrics?
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, or exactly or songs and I just write for
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: you right exactly, you know, I just I just want
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: something completely opposite, gotcha.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask before, you know, when did you
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: know it was time to leave dream Field. We've heard
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you complained it for years and how you wanted to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: be independent and what you wanted to do on yourself.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: When did you know it was the right time?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's just a feeling. I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: after when my song Smoke dropped, it just felt like
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: we weren't aligned. And it's not their fault. I don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: know what happened. I think perhaps they didn't know, like
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the date of it or something. And I think as
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: it dropped, it was just I could feel like there
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: was no marketing behind it and I and I mean,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you were right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I vocally said that I never felt like they supported you.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Oh I do feel like they supported me overall, Like
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that I would have gotten this far
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: without them. J Cole was the greatest co sign I
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: could have ever had. As a neo soul artist, people
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: sleep on our genre so incredibly so he changed my
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: life and introduced me to people that probably might not
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: have received me the same if they heard me outside
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: of you know, his camp. So the marketing overall, like
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: ow is incredible, But honestly, I think they were in
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the middle of a deal separating Dreamville from Interscope, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I think that's what I was feeling at the time,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: and that's why they were unable to really hone in
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: on what's going on. I think over the years also
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I have to take accountability with a lot of just
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: my little things on the internet, with just speaking up
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: about different things, I think probably created some tension for sure. No,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: not even the label, just like just a little things like.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: A Martin fan, and they didn't like.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: No, I don't even think so.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Around the time that smoke dropped, you Will posted online
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: that you were exhausted by Dreamville, that you were tired
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: of people treating you like you were to face of
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: mental health. You're okay, you're happy, but they're not. They're
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: not marketing you well, they're not protecting you. You wish
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: labels knew how to do that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I felt that way about Interscope too. It wasn't just
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: all Dreamville and Interscope has. Really they've really shown me
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of love and support and things of that nature,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: and I think it just was a really emotional time
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: for me and I I think I was I regretted. Honestly,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like I should have never taken it to
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the internet Internet. But like you know, I do want
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: to apologize to j Cole. I've been I sent him
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a message on Instagram, I sent him a voice note.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I'm a little afraid to give them a call, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I do apologize.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: None of those got well you know, well they don't
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: deserve apology. But it was never cold. Cole was never
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: the issue. I think it just was literally like a
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: marketing thing in it. But it is what it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Is, see for me, and I'm sure you know so
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you're right.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: So I guess just on the outside looking and you're like, well, damn, Cole,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: why don't you stand next to you, next to somebody
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: More often regarding because that can help him marketing a lot.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: He This man flew all the way to London for me.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I was performing. I mean it was beautiful time, sold
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: out two nights. I forgot the venue, but it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: beautiful and it was massive. This man surprised me as
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I'm performing Shade butter Baby and I cried like a baby.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I sounded like a walrus. I could not get the
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: words out because I was so shocked, Like that's how
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: loving and selfless he is, so cold himself, like I
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: will always care and respect him because London across the
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: pond for little old me is like what you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: he just.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Liked to ride bikes and stuff. That phone?
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, no call?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Like, how did you call him and tell him you
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: wanted to be released? Do you remember that call? Did
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you speak to him directly? I?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Sadly, with my avoidant nature, I sent him a voice
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: note about it, and it's sad I should have called him. Yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: for sure?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Did he respond?
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I was I wasn't ready to face like my own
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: my own ways. I wasn't ready to be accountable for myself.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: And then I don't believe. I was just scared about
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of things that I wish I
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: just talked to him about before taking it to the internet.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: So I really feel like those things created that tension.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Did respond did he respond to?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: He did respond?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: He did respond.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Come on, But that's why that's why I apologize.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: If you want to share with it. When he responded
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: with that, he said, because he's normally very like warm
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: and comforting when.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: He talks about you. Yeah, he said he wished I
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: called him.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: So yeah, when you look back now, it was the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: frustration about marketing, creative control, and just feeling misunderstood as
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: an artist.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: There's things I didn't understand about, like how you're supposed
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to move in a in a label. I didn't know. Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: what's the question again? Sorry, I got my ADHD.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I don't forgot to.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Marketing. Was it marketing being.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Artist? Was it creative control or being miss Oh? I
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: just know I feel like they understood me. I think
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: they understood me. Well, I think uh, like I said,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of things going on
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: at that time where they couldn't focus on the artists
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: at that specific time. But they did all them other
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: years before, but at that specific time, I think they
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: were parting ways with Innerscope, So like I got lost
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: in like that and I didn't know that until after,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: and then it's just like damn, I wouldn't have said
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: anything like yeah, but it's also not my business, like
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: they are a business and I should have known that
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: and respected that, you know, as an artist like this
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: is a business and I'm learning that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't think stood.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think Cole ever stood next to any of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: his artists. He always played the background.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: No, he stood next to us with our features and
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: on stage and putting us on. We opened up for him.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: All them collaborations we've done together, Boss has done together.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, them Dreamville albums. Yeah, he stood next to us.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: He didn't have to.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: What's one thing that because I think when people talk
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: about you Dreamville, J Cole, it's always this stuff. What's
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: one thing that you wish people would talk more about
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: when they talk about you Dreamville and J.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Co Oh wow, I don't know just just how sweet
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: he is, how selfless he is. I remember before For
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Your Eyes Only dropped, he was driving around. He was like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: let's listen to my album, y'all, and like we got in.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: The car and me, Jake, he's been driving.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: One of a big old well I don't know if
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I shot I should tell you his car. It wasn't
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: a Honda, not that there's anything, but it was a
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: big old truck. Yeah. Yeah, listening to his music and
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I that was a very special thing to do, Like
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I for me to be able to get the first
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: listen in the car with him an elite and I
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: believe someone else was there. Sorry to that person, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: don't remember, but it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It's
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: just things like that, and then beautiful conversations he would
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: have with me about like just me feeling down or
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: financial intelligence. He really instilled in me and wanted to
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: prepare me for and thank god he did. I made
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: certain decisions, like with investing in properties and because I'll
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: spend some money, like I'll spend some money, so that helped.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Those homes that I invested in are kind of like
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: a savings account for me. And I feel like he
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: put me on a certain thing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So what's the hardest part of closing that chapter?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Hardest part is just just wishing things didn't in the
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: way that they did. I know I didn't help, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: it was funny because it was all kind of vending anyway.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I just wish I knew that, but you know, I
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: have to be accountable, So I think that's the hardest part. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: just knowing that I you know, I was unprofessional and
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: really emotional.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how did that experience change the way you view
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: the music industry?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Well, Honestly, my experience has been relatively good. I'm really lucky.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of labels that would have dropped me.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of labels that could have assaulted me,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: all kinds of things. Dreamville was really a protective energy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: They I remember there was one time I got drunk
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: as hell in Australia and I was dancing and I
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: was making out with this guy. It was terrible on
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the dance floor and I went home. I went to
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: the hotel and this man was I guess he was
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: tagging along or he was trying to get My friend
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: said he was just like trying to get into my room,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and said was like absolutely not like all and I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: was so drunk it could have been bad. And yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: there were times where, you know, outside of Dreamville, where
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: like things happened where I wasn't very coherent because of liquor,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: and so yeah, and that moment, it's just like, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: really appreciate having my brothers there to stop this man
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: from who knows what.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: You know, So you have been so blessed when it
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: comes to that. I heard another story you told about
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: when you were in an airport and you it's kind of
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: the same thing, Like anybody could have did anything. You're
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: blacked out from drinking.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Anybody. I was drunk. I was always drunk in the airport,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: especially when before the flight. Yeah, okay, before the flight
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: to get through the flight. I've just always been terrified
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: of flying. And it's that's the amazing aspect of sobriety
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: is that I can actually heal and like face these
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: issues because I'm not prolonging it or you know, with
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: numbing myself. So that's been great, Like now flying is
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: a lot easier.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Well, good, Yeah, what do you think you were trying
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to run from? Like what do you think? Why were
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you drinking so much?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: What was oh?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Everything? Really it was the flying that really spearheaded like everything.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: It was just the fear of dying, a horrific death
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: from the guy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: How anxiety works, I don't want to call it any
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: irrational fears, whatever fear you have, it's multiplied times one hundred, Yeah, exactly.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, I just wanted to numb that. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: didn't want to be screaming on the plane and embarrassing myself.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: But now like I know what the plane sounds like
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: when I'm taking off, I know I'm starting to like
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: how it feels. It's still I feel like a rocket
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: going into space, but you know, it's it's gotten easier.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like an artist personality is just as
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: important as their talent.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Ah, I do, and I feel like it can be
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: damaging if you're too honest, too open, too opinionated. Yeah,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: there are things I wish I never opened up about online.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: But you know, you get one life, and I hate
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to regret anything at eighty like I should have said this,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: should have did this, should have this person should have
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: because they can see is sexy as hell.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and good sex.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a manifesting because I am having sex. It's
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: been three years, so you're yeah, so you're celeb Well good, Yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: well actually I did have a I shouldn't have said.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to lie. Well it was almost three years. Okay,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: well no it was three years. It was it could
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: have been longer, but yeah, no, I'm not a liar.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: That's my.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: But you. I don't want my mom to know how
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: it was just a little moment.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: So I want you no more questions.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Actually it was all right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: She said, she want to ask you no more questions.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: Okay, so what because when people say that they've been
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: celibate for like three years, five years, I'm like, how
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: do you not run into like instances of just like
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: the feeling of like wanting to masterby at all?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I do that every night.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I thought, but because there are certain levels
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: of celibacy, like I know, people can sell it to
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: the point where.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: They're not even trying to do No, I could never
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: go that long without doing that, And I feel like
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: my whole down there would completely change, like it would
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: completely collapsed if I didn't make sure she was good.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: So what was the running you had that almost like
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: messed it all up or kind of sets you back?
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: You said, Oh, I.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Don't think it set me back. I feel like I
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: needed to get that energy off me. I feel like
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I was really becoming decrepit a bit, and like and
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: just I just was too. I just felt in my energy,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: my energy was exuding prudeness and honestly, there's nothing wrong
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: with that, and I feel like celibacy is a beautiful thing,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: but me personally, I just needed a nice restart of
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, now we're back.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what's the clock at now?
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: What do you mean? In general? I don't know.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Now, listen, you're what would you call yourself?
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: R and B soul, R and B soul, neil soul.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I like to play with alternative sounds under the moon.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: This record I have, I'm howling like I love it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I love things like that. So I like to get
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: in the pop space one day, but I wanted to
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: feel authentic. I love all kinds of music. I love zed,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I love red Hot Chili Pepper, System of a Down
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: you already on the album. Yeah, company is everything, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: he's my one and only features.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: So I wonder when it comes to these labels, right
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: for somebody like you, who's a sofa R and B artist,
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: you don't necessarily fit the pop or hip hop marketing machines.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I wonder does anybody know what to do with it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I think they're doing the best that like they can,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and I think they're they're doing pretty well. I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: I just gotta do this. I gotta be in the streets.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I gotta talk to people. I gotta sing my ass
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: off and like make people understand, like you know, I'm
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: good at this, and come see my tour, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: come to my tour, Come listen to the album. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of work I have to do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, because every time we've had conversations,
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: you know, on this air, I'm like, yo, she's such
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: a nice person, like she got such a personality, right,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: but if you just see what you do online, you
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: think all she does is complain, Like we can't even
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: watch Martin without her complaining.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Please watch Martin.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, advocate, I can break, I know.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And it meant the world to me because he was
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: so gentle in his response, and oh I I didn't
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: expect that. I actually when I responded to she did
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: she did.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Response?
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: I did cry? Yeah, yeah, because you know, he didn't
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: have to respond so beautifully the way that he did,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: and I didn't feel it was invalidating, you know what
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But he was also you know, true to
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: himself and I respect that completely as a big fan
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: of him. It meant the world to me because he's
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: a legendary comedian. He could have dragged me to hell
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: along with the world street exactly. It was heartbreaking. It
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: was a heavy time for me because I felt like
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I isolated myself from every black person in the world,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: So like I was ruminating heavy, but luckily the album
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: like pulled me out of the dumps and therapy and
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: things of that nature.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, is confident enough to understand Martin?
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm sure she. She loves it. Yeah yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Do you have a black therapist who?
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, theist. She's lovely, beautiful, beautiful natural hair. She's great. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: she's wonderful.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: I think what you just said, though, is important for
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: people to hear, because so you get online, you say it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: people talk about it, to discuss it, they make their jokes,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: they move on. But for you, you said it actually took
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: you to like a really dark space. Oh yeah, because
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: we think that you because afterward you came back on
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: you readdressed it. You you know, you stood tend toes
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: down on. This is how I felt. So for me,
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: I thought she said what she said, she moved on.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: But in real life it doesn't stick like that with.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: You, right right, it doesn't. Yeah? Yeah, like yeah, like
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I said, it was, it was just really heavy. But
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: you know, I think it helped kind of just accepting
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: that everyone is going to have their own opinions about
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: it and it's okay that I have mine.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: And yeah, absolutely, what boundaries that you set for yourself
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: this era that the younger are linux didn't have.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I think this year, this era, I just don't want
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: to respond anymore. I just want to really be intentional
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: when I'm on the internet about being sexy and also
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: like just promoting my album and just promoting like what
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: I stand for in relation to like my personal experiences
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: growing up and my music.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You know, let's stay there for a walk.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: In social media, like you've been talking about, been a
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: complicated relationship for you over there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Do you feel artists today have to sacrifice peace of
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: mind just to stay visible, just to promote this stuff?
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all, it's all in the game. Yeah, this is
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the game. This is what we signed up for. So
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: it is what it is. But we want people to
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: buy our tickets, we want people to buy our albums,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: So it is what it is. And it's just realizing
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: the power that we hold as artists and you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: people will. We have to just understand that with everything
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: we say and do, like we could spark we could
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: light a fire if we're not careful. So yeah, it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of things I've been learning. I'm trying to
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: just you know, not talk too much because I didn't
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: know it would be such a big deal me saying
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: what I said I had. I had no idea, but
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: you know, now I do you know, I you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you would have thought I came out as a MAGA
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: supporter or you know, yeah, yeah, girl. I was just like, damn,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't know it would be so intense, But you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: now I know, And it's just like it's just best
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: for me to just.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: The conversation you were trying to have is a conversation
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: that can be had. I just don't know if it
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: like everybody doesn't agree with it being applied to Martin, right,
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: But the conversation about like dark skin light skin, it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: a conversation we have. And I think that I hope
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: that you feel on social media too, that there's a
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: whole movement of black women that we played new Apartment
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: every time we move we soft girl era, Like do
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: you feel that too as well?
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I feel the love and support and I felt supported
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: in that. But I think I have this issue where
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: in general, sometimes it's easier to focus on the negative
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: and like how loud it is and just certain things
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: people said. It's just like damn, like, well, I know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not lame, like I just had. I just I
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: spoke from a space of being a little girl and
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: like consuming you know the show the way I consumed it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: But there's so many beautiful memories around Martin, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: watching it with my grandmother, Like she'd be pissed honestly
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: along with everyone else about Like what I said, But
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: that was your experience, yeah, like you know, yeah, but
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: look of experiences.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: How is it Performing in South Africa at the Jazz
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Festival last year?
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: It was amazing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: It was connection with the people, It was fantastic.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: You like, Yeah, I was afraid to go because that
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: was my.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: First time and that was a long flight.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: That's a long flight. Well that and I was beefing
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: with some people from South Africa on Twitter, I did,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: but once I got there, the whole I started a
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: lot of ship but not intentionally, I swear. But but yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: so girls, it is really we do love I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, but I really thought it was gonna
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: be beef. Came there, everyone was nice, people were beautiful,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: sweet jamming. They really had my back. I love them.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: So it was a dream of South Africa. I can't
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: wait to go back.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, did you do an interview while you were there.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: No, I don't remember.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: Because that was a part of you saying like you
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: weren't going to do any interviews when you went at
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: one point a good yeah, you was like, I'm not
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: going back, I'm not doing interviews. I'm not this.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I would do an interview. I have no this is
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: great but yeah, yeah, I don't think I did an interview,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: but I would do an interview. I'm not afraid anything.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: It was a joke.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting A lot of this was
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: just fueled by alcohol. You could just say he was drunk,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: no raging alcoholic back then, I don't have.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: To I was raging, chilling in it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to put the whole in high school?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Oh? I mean.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Girls ahead.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just like, why did you play with me?
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Why did you let me down? I thought you were
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: so wonderful and I gave my heart to you and
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: you just obliterated it. Yeah, all of their signs. There
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: was a scorpio. The scorpio wasn't even a relationship. It
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: was just one day. He was just a waste of time.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: And uh, the tours we talked about Oh fuck nothing. Yeah, yep, you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Broke a window before flatten the time.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Before, no never, never, no, no, we have.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: To think about it. What did you do?
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Oh? I won't tell you what I did that that
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: wasn't towards of me and a family member had a
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: beef along time, but it wasn't bleach. But it was
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: something I could not say, no, no, nothing, you guys something.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Never in my life have I wished a woman's exes
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: could sing. I wish them could sing. I wish they
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: could make their own songs. I need to hear the
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: other side.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I need to hear the other.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Side of them.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, I need to hear what they I need to
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: hear what they would say about you.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: I probably do too. I probably do too. It would
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: probably help me a lot understand why they were so trifling,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: you know. Yeah no, But honestly, it'd be cool to
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: get some pointers like okay, fine, Like maybe y'all could
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: work on this. You know, but I already know, I
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: already know.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I cannot wait to attend this tour. Girl Alam one
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: of them stops.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you, you appreciate hear.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: You sing and just see your show. I love you
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: so much.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I love you too, sure you too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Just my last question if you had to explain I
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: guess your career in like three different chapters. Right, you
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: got Dreamville Ari. I don't know if I would say
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: frustrated Ari, that can come and go. But now vacancy,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: But now vacancy. Right, which version of yourself feels the
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: most honest?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, I think vacancy. I'm just literally unapologetic, like
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: this is who I am. Also in the same breath,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: it's just like, just let me remind people, like I'm
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: not playing. I'm a soulful artist. I'm R and B artist.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I know how to write music. I know how the
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: same music. I'm good at this, And let's just get
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: back to the music you know, like I and I'll
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: keep it there. I'll try my best to keep it
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: there for the world, for the sake of black cultures.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Culture.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: The most interesting thing that we're gonna witness about you
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: is how you get better with time, Like I can
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: see it, like your music is gonna get better with time,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: plus just you as a person, like your levels of
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: I don't give a fuck are going to get better
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: as you get older, Like you're gonna be that rich auntie,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Who may decide to get married. May not just tart
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: to get married. May get married once or twice, get
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the boy. But you're going, oh my god.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Sixteen freaky husband is going to have a beautiful freaky
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: wife and we are going to be together.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be drip.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Four the woman her age four.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, cows, cows and lamas and camels and kangarooly.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Really yes, the whole farm like with and black at
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: the same time.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Mexican man, thank you. Yes, I love today, like six three,
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: it's amazing. Are you being trifling?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Both of them? Rifle?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy about you.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: So everything you say that you like, I resonate with that,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: like the farm to pick up truck all that, like, yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: my husband came all it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know That's what I want. Just a nice,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: peaceful man, beautiful animals. I would love that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to see forty four year old are
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: thank you?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Not with a Mexican.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Man, you have a black I would love a Mexican
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: man or Mexican and black black man. I mean, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I'm down for it all. I think Bad Bunny is
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: very handsome. I know he's Puerto Rican. He's Puerto Rican,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: but you know, no not a butt, but I love
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Puerto Ricans. Well, I just feen O people very attractive.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the Super Bowls? What you're trying to do?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I did enjoy you met him? Honestly, I didn't watch it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Why the d N.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: By no reason loved it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Exactly. You know, wait for get it. I would love this.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: You're going back, You're going out back.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: We could talk all day, I promise.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: The whole time. You bought that for support I did.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I think it was. It's hard for me to do
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: both at the.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was saying, you're going back out on tour too, right,
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: you just announced the tour so way different experience because
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: that was the thing too, with the whole rod wave situation.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: I'm glad we're going to get to see you in
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: all of your elegance the right way.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I have to be accountable. I did this to myself.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I and I needed the money. I wanted the money, uh,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: and I'm grateful for that money. I just didn't know
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I would be shaking like a stripper every night in fear,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: but it was, and it builds, it builds integrity, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I do believe that made me stronger again. And also
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I feel like I learned a lot about the industry.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: These people are not my friends. Stop going into business
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: situations and expecting acquaintances to be my friend and family
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: and treat me the way family and friends treat me.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: So there, it was just a beautiful lesson to learn,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: and I really do appreciate Rod Way for giving me
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: that opportunity. And now I know stay away from raps,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: like opening up for them and in general dating them,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: like just don't do it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: You could be on the.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: Stage with the right rappers like.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Foggy Rod J Cole, Yeah, I love Foggy Rod.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: He's from the d m VS. From Pg's incredible rapper.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: We have a beautiful song out called Stay a While,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean I would still do stuff with
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: rappers if it was a space where you know what
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: would have helped me and Rod if we had a
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: record together. I think his fans would have been more
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: receptive to me. But since they didn't know me, they
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: were like, who is this old hold this old bitch
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: on stage trying to be happy as hell? We want
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: to be said, making me happy, bitch, And so yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: that's what happened.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: Young, Like can we get a song off the app.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: What you want to have vacancy right now?
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear you.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Please soft girl, errorless morning.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: What else you want to do? I'll say cool down.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: It's like a warm hug. It's not about sex. It's
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: about love, and we're manifesting true love in my life.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: The only feature, well, he just really came through for me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I did submit the album to a few different rappers,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: but they didn't have time.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Well okay, well thank you for.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: I promise.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Just thing you gotta think with rappers. It's like, no,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna date rappers. I'm not going to go
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: on tour with them.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no. It's not for them, girl,
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: not all the time.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's the breakfast club.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Good morning, every day.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Up the breakfast Club. Y'all done.