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The Late Debate | 19 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, they'll wait to pay.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond. Coming
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  Speaker 4: up tonight. Every parent's nightmare. A mum discovers a venomous
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  Speaker 4: brown snake in her toddler's bedroom, and in.
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  Speaker 3: Perth there's snakes on the beach.
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  Speaker 4: We'll show you all of that a little later, plus
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  Speaker 4: when we get to the papers.
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  Speaker 3: Sydney to be brought.
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  Speaker 4: To a standstill as the rail union goes on strike
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  Speaker 4: over the weekend seeking a thirty two percent pay rise,
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  Speaker 4: and other things making news tomorrow. Anthony Albanezi very close
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  Speaker 4: to Jijingping as they cuddle up at the G twenty
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  Speaker 4: summit in Brazil. We'll get to all of that when
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  Speaker 4: we look at tomorrow's newspapers. But first, what could be
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  Speaker 4: more Australian than taking a Saturday afternoon to go down
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  Speaker 4: the Bunnings get some hardware things for the home, and
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  Speaker 4: maybe a sausage and a piece of bread. But what
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  Speaker 4: most Australians didn't realize, at least for three years between
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  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one, is that when they
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  Speaker 4: went to Bunnings in New South Wales and Victoria Bunnings
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  Speaker 4: were using facial recognition technology without their consent. After a
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  Speaker 4: two year investigation, the Privacy Commissioner ruled today that Bunnings
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  Speaker 4: had violated the rights of customers. Bunnings have been ordered
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  Speaker 4: to put an apology online, to destroy all the information
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  Speaker 4: they collected, and to promise never to do it again.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Bunnings escaped a fine because the Privacy Commissioner accepted their
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  Speaker 4: explanation that they had done this with good intent. Bunnings
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  Speaker 4: claimed they never used the information for marketing or for
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  Speaker 4: tracking people's habits. Instead, they were doing facial recognition and
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  Speaker 4: then cross checking that data with a pre put together
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  Speaker 4: list of troublemakers so that they could identify people who
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  Speaker 4: were known to cause trouble at Bunnings.
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  Speaker 3: Early in order to keep staff safe.
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  Speaker 4: Now, while accepting the explanation, the Privacy Commissioner said that
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  Speaker 4: wasn't reason enough to violate people's human rights.
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  Speaker 3: Now. All of this came to light a.
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  Speaker 4: Couple of years ago after Choice magazine revealed it, and
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't just Bunnings, The Good Guys and Kmart were
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  Speaker 4: also accused of using facial recognition technology, and investigation into
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  Speaker 4: Good Guys has been dropped, but in an investigation into
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  Speaker 4: Kmart's use of the technology continues. Calibrin Liz, I think
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  Speaker 4: Bunnings were pretty lucky not to be fined here. I mean, effectively,
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  Speaker 4: they were putting customers into what amounts to a police lineup,
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  Speaker 4: without customers ever knowing. They were collecting highly personal information
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  Speaker 4: without consent, and we're expected to trust their explanation that
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  Speaker 4: they weren't going to use this information for anything else
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  Speaker 4: other than just trying to get ahead of trouble makers.
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  Speaker 3: But we're expected to believe.
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  Speaker 4: That when they weren't upfront with us in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: I think they were very.
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  Speaker 2: For and that was the reason that was used to
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  Speaker 2: not give them the fine, that they had supposedly done
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  Speaker 2: it with good intentions so that the fine was not needed.
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  Speaker 2: But regardless of whether or not they get a fine,
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  Speaker 2: this decision by the Commissioner is extremely important because it
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  Speaker 2: now sets the precedent that retailers cannot do this. The
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  Speaker 2: warning fire has been shot to say, whether it's Bunnings
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  Speaker 2: or anyone else, you cannot put up facial recognition without
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  Speaker 2: full consent of the customer. To that now, we still
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what full consent would look like I mean,
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  Speaker 2: would it be as simple as a sign saying if
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  Speaker 2: you enter this shop you know you will be under
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  Speaker 2: facial recognition.
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  Speaker 5: But then it was to say whether you see the
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  Speaker 5: sign exactly and.
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  Speaker 1: How much do they have to detail what they're going
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  Speaker 1: to do with that? Right, So this should in effect
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  Speaker 1: tell every retailer that.
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  Speaker 2: They cannot do this anymore, and for that we should
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  Speaker 2: be extremely grateful.
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  Speaker 1: Because we've talked about this in.
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  Speaker 2: Terms of it's been suggested you're doing it in public
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  Speaker 2: places as well well.
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  Speaker 1: I think we did a story.
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  Speaker 2: Some months ago about was it the Tube in London?
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  Speaker 2: Now they were doing facial recognition to monitor people's emotions
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  Speaker 2: so that they could potentially decide what sort of advertising
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  Speaker 2: to display in stations, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this eventually leads to.
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  Speaker 2: Even if it begins purely as okay, where we're finding
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  Speaker 2: out who the troublemakers are, it's not a big leap
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, if you plug in a different bit
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  Speaker 2: of technology or software over here, we'll be able to
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  Speaker 2: track when you walk into the shop, when you walk
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  Speaker 2: out of the shop. Your receipt is linked to your face,
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  Speaker 2: so they know when you come in that you're more
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  Speaker 2: likely to buy plumbing products, so you're more likely to
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  Speaker 2: go to the garden section or whatever, and then they
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  Speaker 2: send down a staff member to try and upsell you
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  Speaker 2: on products. This is eventually where this stuff leads and
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  Speaker 2: who's keeping the data? Where is the data being kept.
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  Speaker 2: There's no rules around how the data has to be kept.
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  Speaker 2: It could just be sitting in some service somewhere. I
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  Speaker 2: mean Bunning said that they deleted it within milliseconds if
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  Speaker 2: you weren't one of the dodgy people on their list.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't know whose hole that data. We know
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  Speaker 2: everything gets hacked these days. Yes, imagine if someone's got
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  Speaker 2: all this biometric data on loads and loads of people
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  Speaker 2: and someone hacks that system, that is extremely valuable.
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  Speaker 4: Hacked, Liz, that data becomes an asset right that of
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  Speaker 4: course easily be sold for a lot of money to
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  Speaker 4: various organizations.
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  Speaker 5: And we know that plenty of companies do this. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't long ago we were doing another story on
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  Speaker 5: insurance companies getting data from your ohso smart cars that
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  Speaker 5: are tracking when you break, how hard you break, all
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  Speaker 5: the rest of it, and people were finding their insurance
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  Speaker 5: policies we're costing a lot more money, asking why and
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  Speaker 5: finding out through their insurer they were in bed with
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  Speaker 5: the people gathering the data from the car's data base
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  Speaker 5: and they decided, well, you're actually not that safe a driver.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like the commissioner has very much taken Bunning's
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  Speaker 5: word for it with regard to this entire case. It'll
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  Speaker 5: be interesting to see if kmart gets a similar ruling.
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  Speaker 5: They two are under exactly the same investigation because, as
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  Speaker 5: you were just told, they two were busted back in
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  Speaker 5: June twenty twenty two by choice. The good guys don't
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  Speaker 5: have an investigation into them. But it will be interesting
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  Speaker 5: to see whether Kmart gets a different ruling because they
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  Speaker 5: can just as eagerly argue as I'm sure they will,
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  Speaker 5: the exact same thing bunningstead, which was our motives are
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  Speaker 5: in the right place. We're just trying to crack down
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  Speaker 5: hard on the baddies. But don't we know that is
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  Speaker 5: the case with all surveillance systems. It's the individual privacy
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  Speaker 5: of the masses in order to assure their safety from
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  Speaker 5: the handful of bad guys. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm not willing to trade it in to Canada
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  Speaker 5: now where after nine years as Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau's
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  Speaker 5: approval rating has plummeted from the sixty three percent way
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  Speaker 5: back in his heyday when he was first elected to
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  Speaker 5: just twenty three percent in June of this year. It's
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  Speaker 5: continued to tumble. So with an election breathing down his
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  Speaker 5: neck coming up just next year, he's decided to back
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  Speaker 5: off on the record immigration his government has seen poor
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  Speaker 5: into Canada. Here he is saying, look, we could have
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  Speaker 5: acted faster, but I'm making a move now, so vote
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  Speaker 5: for me next year. People.
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  Speaker 6: In the last two years, our population has grow really fast,
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  Speaker 6: like baby boom fast. Increasingly bad actors like fake collegists
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  Speaker 6: and big chain corporations have been exploiting our immigration system.
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  Speaker 5: For their own interests.
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  Speaker 6: So we're doing something major. We're reducing the numbers of
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  Speaker 6: immigrants that will come to Canada for the next three years.
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  Speaker 5: So he's decided all better crack down on this because
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  Speaker 5: all the polls in Canada are showing for the first
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  Speaker 5: time in a quarter century, the vast majority of Canadians
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  Speaker 5: are saying we've had enough with these record levels of immigration.
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  Speaker 5: In this guy just wants to get re elected here
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  Speaker 5: is the head of the opposition, which I certainly hope
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  Speaker 5: will be the PM at next year. Pierre Polivier. He's
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  Speaker 5: taking Trudeau to tasks saying, mate, you're the cause of
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  Speaker 5: the problem. Stop blaming these third party actors or it's
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  Speaker 5: just bad people exploiting the system. Listen to what Pierre
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  Speaker 5: has to say and ask yourself, doesn't this sound like
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  Speaker 5: he's describing our government, the labor government, the Albenesy government
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  Speaker 5: to a tee.
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  Speaker 7: Let's not distract turn our gaze away from the source
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  Speaker 7: of the problem, which is justin Trudeau, who increased our
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  Speaker 7: population growth by three hundred percent in a matter of
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  Speaker 7: a couple of years by his admissions, since me allowed
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  Speaker 7: massive fraud in international students, temporary foreign workers, and the
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  Speaker 7: refuge system. By his own admission, the liberal immigration policies
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  Speaker 7: have caused massive housing, job, and healthcare shortages. And now
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  Speaker 7: he's basically denouncing his entire immigration policy and expecting us
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  Speaker 7: to believe that he can fix the problems that he caused.
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  Speaker 5: Wow. Massive housing, job and healthcare. Wow, it just reminded
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  Speaker 5: me so much of here back at home. But the
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  Speaker 5: amount of damage Pierre's going to be able to do
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  Speaker 5: at the polling booth next year on this issue. And
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  Speaker 5: we've seen this across the West. It was the case
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  Speaker 5: in the UK, but not so much. They just voted
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  Speaker 5: for change and they're not gonna get it any time zone.
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  Speaker 5: It was certainly successful in the US. Trump used that
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  Speaker 5: as a battering ram, and rightly so. I think Pierre
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  Speaker 5: this is going to be another bastion of his campaign
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  Speaker 5: against Trudeau because it goes without saying all the polls
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  Speaker 5: are already showing this is what the people want and
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  Speaker 5: which Canadians are going to be dumb enough to believe
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  Speaker 5: that the guy who created the problem is going to
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  Speaker 5: be the guy to fix it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think we can put this down to the
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  Speaker 4: Trump effect a little bit?
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  Speaker 5: Perhaps? I mean Pierre has already been called very much
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  Speaker 5: a Trumpian figure. He's very famous for chewing on apples, bary,
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  Speaker 5: talking to reporters, questioning on their questioning them on their questions,
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  Speaker 5: getting them to trip all over themselves. So he's very
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  Speaker 5: much already seen as a very Trumpian figure. But again,
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  Speaker 5: I think this is and we've talked about across the
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  Speaker 5: EU as well. This is played out beautifully in the Netherlands,
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  Speaker 5: in Hungary, in poland all the parties that say we
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  Speaker 5: are running on an anti immigration policy because we've been
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  Speaker 5: flooded and we're absolutely sick of it. Those are the
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  Speaker 5: guys getting voted in.
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  Speaker 4: I just love the gas lighting by Justin Trudeau. I
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  Speaker 4: mean the way he sort of sits down in the chair.
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  Speaker 4: He's the guy who's just set fire to every house
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  Speaker 4: in the street and then he calls everyone together for
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  Speaker 4: a chat about fire safety. You know, it's just incredible
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  Speaker 4: that the front that he has. And of course if
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  Speaker 4: you criticized his immigration policy, you would denounced as a racist.
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  Speaker 4: And this is another thing that has a commonality right
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  Speaker 4: across the Western world. Remember it wasn't that long ago
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  Speaker 4: that our own Laura Tingle accused Peter Dutton of us
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  Speaker 4: stirring up racism by daring to suggest that high immigration
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  Speaker 4: was putting pressure on housing. And Laura Tingle imagined that
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  Speaker 4: people are going to go down to you know, bid
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  Speaker 4: on a home or apply for a rental, and they're
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  Speaker 4: going to see someone of a different skin color and
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  Speaker 4: automatically blame them for the fact that you can't dwelling
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  Speaker 4: in Sydney or wherever. And so we've been denounced as
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  Speaker 4: racists for pointing out what Justin Trudeau is now saying,
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  Speaker 4: or actually, we do have an issue, but don't worry.
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  Speaker 4: Having caused the problem, now you can trust me to fix.
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  Speaker 2: It, which would be to say that the majority of
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  Speaker 2: Canadians are racist. Now I'm sure true, don't may will
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  Speaker 2: believe that, and so people on the left would believe that.
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  Speaker 2: But all the polling does now show that the majority
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  Speaker 2: of Canadians believed immigration is too high. I'm generally willing
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  Speaker 2: to give politicians credit when they admit they get things wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but on this coount, I have to say that, like,
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  Speaker 2: it's the most obvious economic principle, supply and demand. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen when you increase
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  Speaker 2: demand significantly when you don't have the supply to keep
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  Speaker 2: up with it. You end up with housing crises, You
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  Speaker 2: end up with cost of living crises.
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  Speaker 1: On and on it goes. You end up with a
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  Speaker 1: lower standard of living.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau, even the person with the lowest IQ on
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  Speaker 2: the planet, could work out the most basic stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Which that's justin true.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you a little more credit than that, because
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  Speaker 2: he is a communist. You do need to a couple
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  Speaker 2: of branches to understand communism to begin with. But he
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  Speaker 2: should have been able to see this coming. Any Western
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  Speaker 2: leaders should have been able to see this coming. Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Alberanze should have been able to see this coming. The
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  Speaker 2: reason that Trudeau, like Albansi, jacked immigrant so much was
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  Speaker 2: to fudge the economic numbers because they know that if
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have such massive population growth in the last
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  Speaker 2: few years, they likely would have gone into recession. We've
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  Speaker 2: been in effective recession for a long time, but the
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  Speaker 2: numbers don't show we're in recession because we keep propping
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  Speaker 2: it up with the population figures.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then he goes to an election. Oh no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not popular. I'd better walk it all back. Good luck.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with everything he just said, except, you know,
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  Speaker 4: give him a bit of grace because maybe he's a
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  Speaker 4: politician who genuinely is admitting, you know what, we got
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  Speaker 4: it wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But that was a seid.
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  Speaker 5: Rudo right, genuinely admitting he got it wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's a settle minute, and within ten
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  Speaker 4: seconds he's saying unscrupulous colleges, businesses taking advantage. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he was really admitting much fault.
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  Speaker 5: Rather funny though, because for the longest time he's called
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  Speaker 5: everyone who opposed this mass immigration to Canada racist, So
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  Speaker 5: you got to ask yourself, does this make you a racist?
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  Speaker 5: Now you're amongst the people that you have opposed for
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  Speaker 5: so long. So we've got a suggestion here on the
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  Speaker 5: late debate tonight, does he want to pop over to
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  Speaker 5: Ireland because their racisms are Her name is doctor Ebon.
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  Speaker 5: She's running racism courses, anti racism courses at eighty seven
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  Speaker 5: percent off at the moment, bargain basement prices, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe we can sponsor him to go. Maybe Canadians would
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  Speaker 5: like to take that idea on board. Just in case
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  Speaker 5: you've forgotten who doctor Ebon is here, she is back
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  Speaker 5: in July explaining how Irish people need to be trained
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  Speaker 5: not to be racist, and essentially that's the job that
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  Speaker 5: she's beginning. Are there are no laws to protect people.
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  Speaker 5: People are brought into offices institutions that are not davers.
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  Speaker 8: So we've not done that walk, We've not trained people,
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  Speaker 8: and we can't expect our nation to be non racist
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  Speaker 8: if we have not any put people who've not trained.
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  Speaker 6: Them you know, how to be non racist.
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  Speaker 9: So those are key things and they are no loss
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  Speaker 9: to protect people, there are no consequences.
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  Speaker 5: Well, maybe it's just a case of Ireland is experiencing
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  Speaker 5: its highest immigration since two thousand and seven and the
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  Speaker 5: Irish sig of it. Isn't it a wonder that these
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  Speaker 5: Western countries, every single one of us, who are being
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  Speaker 5: flooded with mass immigration, are always constantly lectured on how
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  Speaker 5: racist we are. I mean, can you even back it
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  Speaker 5: up with any stories? Remember when we were asking the
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  Speaker 5: ABC who love to constantly bereat Australia and what a
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  Speaker 5: racist country we are, It's like, can you provide any
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  Speaker 5: proof to that whatsoever?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Dr Ebon Joseph is herself Nigerian born, right, So she's
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  Speaker 2: gone over to Ireland where she has been successful enough
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  Speaker 2: to have an academic career. She's now been made the
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  Speaker 2: Special Rapporteur on Anti racism etc.
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  Speaker 1: So she's risen up.
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  Speaker 2: Quite well in that country and now complains that she
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  Speaker 2: and other people feel uncomfortable in Ireland.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very strange situation.
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  Speaker 2: Has lived there twenty two years and there you go
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  Speaker 2: and has done so badly that she is now in
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  Speaker 2: a top job and has to complain about the fact
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  Speaker 2: she's in the top job.
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  Speaker 1: But I love the fact that she is struggling so
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  Speaker 1: much to.
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  Speaker 2: Get people to buy into her anti racism causes that
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  Speaker 2: she has to reduce the cost by eighty seven percent,
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  Speaker 2: which I think just proves that.
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  Speaker 1: People aren't buying this nonsense. They know that it is nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and she would think, as I'm sure a
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  Speaker 2: lot of other people would. And I highly recommend you
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  Speaker 2: watch the documentary Am I Racist? On the Daily Wire
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  Speaker 2: because it's about exactly this, right, you would think that
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  Speaker 2: there would be people lining up just waiting to go
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  Speaker 2: into these courses because they've got all this internalized racism
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  Speaker 2: and they go, fay, oh, We've got to fix the country.
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  Speaker 2: And because I'm white, I must automatically be racist, which
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  Speaker 2: is what she's suggesting by saying that you need to
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  Speaker 2: be taught to not be racist, as though we are
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  Speaker 2: innately racist in some manner. But people just don't want
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  Speaker 2: a bar of it. And it feels like the culture
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  Speaker 2: is starting to turn, whether it be in the US
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  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump or in Ireland with her having to
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  Speaker 2: drop the prizes by eighty seven percent, people are actually
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  Speaker 2: willing to stand up now and say, actually, no, We're
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  Speaker 2: not a racist country. We're not innately racist. We don't
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  Speaker 2: have to be taught not to be racist. We're not
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  Speaker 2: going to literally buy into this crap anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Leslie said, the suggestion that the Irish need to
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  Speaker 4: be trained not to be racist is itself a pretty
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  Speaker 4: racist suggestion. And not only is it racist, but it's
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  Speaker 4: highly offensive that they need to be trained like dogs,
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  Speaker 4: that somehow they need to be reprogrammed. I'm just wondering,
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  Speaker 4: do you reckon there's a white irishman in Abajar in
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  Speaker 4: Nigeria training Nigerians not to be racist.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow this only ever works one way.
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  Speaker 4: But of course, Caleb, as you pointed out, this woman
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  Speaker 4: has been very, very successful, and she's been successful talking
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: about race, and so you know, for many people in
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: this area, there's a certain conflict of interest where they
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: are adamant that racism is a massive problem, we need training. Well,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: who should the government give millions of dollars to train
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: people not to be racist? Well, it just so happens
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: the people calling out racism also provide the training material.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: This particular woman has argued that the entire Irish education
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: system needs to be overhauled and the curriculum completely rewritten
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: from year one right through to the end of school.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: And I suppose that you know, well, she runs a director.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: She's the director of the Institute of Anti Racism where
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: they provide training for individuals, corporate institutions and NGOs to
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: manage different so you can start train. If it's a bargain,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: we'll train everybody. And if you're training everybody, eighty seven
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: percent off will still make you a lot of money. Now,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know if she's doing that, but I'm just saying,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: isn't it always interesting how the people pointing these things
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: out also provide the training to make it better.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And Ireland is clearly such a racist country that, as
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you can see here in this footage, large groups of
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Muslims can literally hold up the footpath to pray and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: no one tells them to stop doing it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: What a terribly racist country it is. People need to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: be taught not to be racist.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Well, that's evidence that the Irish have been successfully taught to.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Just everything tolerance, everything's as well.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: We're around the doctor has been totally successful. While we're
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: talking about big problems and the government telling you what
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you should or should not be able to do and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: should or should not be able to think. It seems
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: with every passing day that the social media age restrictions
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that the government wants to.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Push through by the end of the year.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: There's only one more sitting week left to go after
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this week in Parliament. They want to ram this thing
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: through before Christmas because the Albanezi government is desperate for
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: some piece of successful policy to take to the next
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: federal election. I mean, they can literally point to nothing
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: at the moment. The biggest thing they had with the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Voice that was a failure. The only other thing they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: can really point to is that inflation has gone down.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But have you seen that cause any change and your
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: power bills or your wages or anything.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Your grocery bills.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: They've got literally nothing to sell.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to get this done as quickly as possible,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: but the number of people and the groups mounting against
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: this is growing. Even the Wiggles now say that they're
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: concerned about age restrictions on social media because, of course
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: we learned a week or two ago that one of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the outlets that would be included in all of this
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is YouTube, and the Wiggles are saying, well, hang on
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: a minute. If kids can't go on YouTube and you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: watch things like the Wiggles, then where are they going
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to be going to watch content? They'll be going off
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: into the big, big, bad, unregulated world of the Internet, presumably.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Now there's plenty of other questions as well about how
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: age verification etc.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Would work.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Sarah Hanson young, and I mean I'm loath to give
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: her any praise, but she was part of the committee
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that originally looked into the issues of young people and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: social media, the Parliamentary committee that is, and she said, look,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: we never actually recommended that there be age restrictions.
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: I want to point out very clearly here that the
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: most interesting thing about this final report is what is
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: not in the recommendations, and what is not in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: recommendations is a blunt ban age ban on social media.
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: That's not what we recommended. But not one recommendation in
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: this final report says a blunt ban on young people
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: on social media is a good idea. We listened to
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: the experts, and the experts view is it's not. The
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: experts view is that this isn't how you do it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Now, as I've said before, I'm sympathetic to the idea
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of children not being able to use social media. We
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: know the harms that social media caused to children, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: we've known those harms for a long time, so there
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is no need to rush this legislation through as the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Government wants to do. And because they are rushing it
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: so fast and there are so many damn holes in
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: this thing. We don't know how it's going to operate.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We don't know whether YouTube will be included or not.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We don't know, as Michelle Roll and the Communications Minister
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: said last week, whether Snapchat would be included or not,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and we don't know how the age verification.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: System would work.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Senator Malcolm Roberts has pointed out well the Digital ID
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Bill was passed earlier this year. That is one of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the potential ways that could be used to force people
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to say what their age is and that would mean
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: not only children being subjected to age verification but all
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of us and perhaps at some point that could be
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: linked to a government owned and digital ID that has
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: literally everything attached to it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: Only recently, Minister Gallagher reassured Australians the Digital ID was
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: not compulsory, yet without it life will be impossible. The
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: Digital ID started life under the Morrison Liberal government. As
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: recently as April, Opposition Leader Peter Dudden championed the Misinformation
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: and Disinformation Bill and the Liberals support social media age verification.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Age verification means.
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: The government forcing digital ID on everyone paired with frequent
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: facial scans from the camera on your device. Mandating digital
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: IDA is an unacceptable infringement on personal sovereignty. The government
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: running the scheme and having all your data in real
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: time is absolutely terrifying.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And echoing the concerns of the Wiggles.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Senator Alexandrik from the Great State of South Australia, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: must mention that points out if the government says okay,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: well kids can't use YouTube, does that eventually mean that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: there are approved sources of information the children are given
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to use online?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Could they be government controlled?
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: Immediately, we've gone from talking about a law protecting children
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: under sixteen from online harm to proposals potentially requiring all
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: Australians to submit personal identification as a condition of using
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: social media. This is how concerns over safety, in this
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: case children's safety, convince people to hand over their freedom
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: to hand over their personal information. And of course this
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: has nothing to do with the fact that a generation
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: of young people are starting to unpick the lies of
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: the corporate media. What a great way to ensure that
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: young people only get a left wing government message approved
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: to them via their devices.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Now I could have also claimed Sarah Hanson Young as
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a South Australian, but I just try.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: To notice that I noticed that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I don't normally talk about exactly how I vote, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I will proudly say that in the twenty nineteen federal election,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when I still lived in Adelaide, below the line on
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the Senate paper, I've very happily put Sarah Hanson Young last.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But they have rushed this piece of this bill, which
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: will eventually presumably become legislation because it has the support
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of the opposition.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So fast.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: We don't know how any of it is actually going
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to work. There are holes in this thing that you
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: could drive a truck through.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: You've got to give the government some credit here. I mean,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: they have done something I never imagined possible. They have
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: managed to unite the Wiggles, the Greens, One Nation and
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: alex Antika Liberal senator all singing from the same hymn
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: book that this is a terrible piece of legislation, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: it's so bad that I mean, my understanding is under
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: sixteens won't be able to have social media accounts.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: But YouTube is not social media.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: YouTube is essentially a video platform, a streaming platform, which
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: is the Wiggles point. It just shows how badly thought
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: through this legislation is. Whichever way you look at it,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: whether it's from how it will be implemented, what it
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: will and won't include, what it means for children's education,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: from every angle, it's just bad.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: And we don't know, which is why we've got this
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: meta questions. We don't know that it is just the
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: social media accounts. If you're saying these kids should not have, say,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Internet access at all from this age, that's where the
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: ID comes in and that's where we're David Shubridge the
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: other day got out of the committee in outright admittance. Yes,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: by virtue of testing whether you're under the age of sixteen,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: we're also checking that you are over the age of sixteen,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: because everyone, whatever this loophole is, whatever this hurdle is
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: that you have to cross in order to access different
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: parts of the Internet or the Internet at large, you
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: can be assured if it starts just different parts of
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: the Internet that would spend you'd need to use this
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: digitally I D to age verification, and then what data
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: are they collecting on you? Which is why I took
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: great umbrage to Peter Dutton today trying to explain to people, oh, no,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Combating Misinformation and Disinformation bill, and this all about protecting children,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: which it is not about that at all, as Senator
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Antik and the others just explained to you. Sarah Hanson
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Young literally just told you this wasn't even recommended in
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: the big review report that they did. But here's Peter
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Dutton saying people are confusing these two things and they're
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: totally unrelated and nothing to worry about here.
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: The Coalition strongly supports age limits for social media and verification,
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: which also protects privacy. The legislation regarding age limits for
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: social media is completely separate to the legislation on misinformation
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: and disinformation and it's important not to conflate entirely different
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: issues of keeping our kids safe online and freedom of speech.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: But it's not entirely different, is it. Because if we
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: have to use some sort of ID to access our
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: social networks, then what are you doing when misinformation Disinformation
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Bill comes into play. You know exactly where I live,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: you know exactly who I am. No one can use
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: these anonymous acronyms and different weird names that a lot
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: of conservatives have taken to using because after the last
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: few years, certainly before Elon mustokover X, they were being
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: toss left, right and center off platforms, so they started
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: to use just anonymous names, anonymous identities so that they
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: could push out conservative content. They would still be thrown off,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: And many of those accounts are on like number thirteen,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: number fourteen, and just kept creating another account as the
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: last one was gotten rid of. But to say that, oh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: there's no connection between these two, there's no crossover, is
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: completely disingenuous and completely untrue, because if you've got to
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: verify that you are over sixteen to log into your Facebook, Instagram,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: whatever the platform may be, they then have everything you've
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: ever written for years and years and years, anything you've
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: ever hit, like on any private messages that you've ever said,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: and they know sent and they know exactly who you are,
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: where you are, where you work, etc. And so on,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: because it will all be connected to your digital idea.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: It's a strange kind of night on the Late Debate
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: because we're giving shout outs to Sarah Hanson Young, We're
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: giving shout.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Outs to David Shubridge.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: So I reckon, let's just keep going and give a
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: shout out to who should we do next?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Lydia Thorpe. Yeah, go on, well Thorpe.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: She announced today on Twitter that she will not be
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: supporting the government's Misinformation Bill. She tweeted, after speaking with
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: a range of stakeholders and hearing from many community members,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I've decided to oppose the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill. More
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: needs to be done to tackle these problems, but this
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: bill is not the answer. Here is Lydia Thorpe in
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: all her glory speaking on this topic.
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: The Misinformation Bill, for example, I won't be supporting that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: I've been talking to community members and stakeholders. Black and
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: brown people could be demonized as part of that process
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: or the devil in the detail in these pieces of
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: legislation that I'm digging into and negotiating with the government
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: to either fix it or I won't support it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: So there you go.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I think it's the first time on the Late Debate
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: A special shout out to Liday is unbelievable.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Hell has frozen over.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: She won on to talk about the fact that you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: she wants to be able to talk about Gaza and
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: colonization and Indigenous rights without being shut down. And we
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: would all agree there are issues that we disagree with
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: her passionately on, but we would absolutely advocate for her
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: right to speak what she believes about those issues. The
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: only problem with Lydia Thorpe's stance against the Misinformation Bill.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard her explanation, but she
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: said the bill's reliance on white dominated institutions to regulate
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: what constitutes truth will be a problem, which leaves open
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: the possibility that if there were perhaps First Nations people regulating,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: that would be okay. She also said the problem with AKMA,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: which will be the organization making these adjudications lacks First
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Nations advisors and that's.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Why it's not fit to regulate contents.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: And now, Caleb, I'm thinking, should we take back the
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: shout out or should we just exist?
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: No, for once, I don't care about her reasons. This
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: is really significant, right because without Lydia Thorpe saying yes,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I'm going to oppose this bill, we did have thirty
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: eight in the Senate who had committed to voting it down.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: But that's only enough to block the bill. Now, with
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Lydia Thorpe, we have thirty nine and that is enough
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: as long as they all stay true to their word
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: to vote this thing down. What remains Jane's harrowing is
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: it only by one vote. We're going to be saved
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: by a Lydia Thorpe, and we're going to be saved
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: by this Dystovian future where nobody really has freedom of
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: speech online, or we're looking at a future like the
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: UK has where people are being arrested for these nonviolent
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: hate crimes for writing a comment on their Facebook, some
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: being sent to jail for said of fends. We've dodged
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: that by one vote. Like I always say, in these circumstances,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: the government. Even if you've dodged the bullet, the government
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: has shown its hand. It's told you what it wants
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: in its own ideal world, and we'd be stupid. Yes,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Bree the sigh of relief if we actually pull this off,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: but never forget what they tried to pull off.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Thank God for Lydia thought pay. But you see, she's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: got concerns about Akma. She'd rather Blackmer was deciding what.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You can day online.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: In the US, the Pentagon, as you would know, is
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the department that basically runs defense.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It has a.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Massive budget, almost a trillion US dollars to be precise,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it's eight hundred and twenty.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Four billion US dollars is in their budget.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And for these seventh times straight, they have failed an
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: audit of their finances because would you believe it, they
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: don't actually know where all of this money has gone.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Is it any wonder that Donald Trump has set up
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, to clean all
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this nonsense up. I mean, for heaven's sake, you would
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: think the most basic job of a government department would
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: be to know where it's spending the money that it
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: compulsorily takes from you in taxes to do things with.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: No, they don't know that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: John Stewart, who of course is a late night host
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: over in the US, sat down with Kathleen Hinks, who's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the tippity Secretary of Defense and has to very calmly
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and methodically, well, if you don't know where the money
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: is going, isn't that a problem, And she bizarrely said
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: not at.
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: All when audit is exactly what you just described, which is,
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: do I know what was delivered to which place? The
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: ability to pass an audit or in the fact that
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: the DD has not passing on it is not suggestive
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: of waste fraud abuse. Now is a question of it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: suggestive that we can't we don't have an accurate inventory
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: that we can pull up of what we have where.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: My world, Yeah, that's waste. How is that waste? If
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: I give you a billion dollars and you can't tell
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: me what happened to it, that to me is wasteful.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: That that means you are not necessary responsible. But if
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you can't tell me where it went, then what am
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I supposed to think?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at hinks there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: He says.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: If I give you a billion dollars and I don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: know how you've spent it, that's what And she got, oh,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: what a stupid suggestion. This is how they operate in
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: GAV No wonder. Trump has sent in Elon Musk and
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: vivig Ramaswami to clean this stuff up.
• 35:07
  Speaker 15: The Pentagon has just failed it's seventh consecutive audit, nearly
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: a trillion dollars of budget they can't even tell you
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: where it goes.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So I think part of this is exposing for.
• 35:16
  Speaker 15: The public the extent of that right and waste, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 15: then to take steps first through executive action and then
• 35:22
  Speaker 15: laying the groundwork for broader chains through legislation as well,
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: to rein in that deficit, to reign in that budget,
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: and more crucially, Marie, I know we're talking about this
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: in terms of efficiency, but there's something deeper going on here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: This is about restoring self governance and accountability in America
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: as well.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so emblematic of the deep disdain
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that government has for tax payers and the deeply entrenched
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: arrogance within bureaucracy.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: That they fail the seventh Audit straight.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: They literally don't know where all of that trillion old dollars.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Has been spent. They can't account for it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The auditors actually couldn't form an opinion of the numbers
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: they were looking at because they weren't given the full numbers.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And they go, oh, well, that's no problem. Do you
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: think there is any business anywhere in the world that
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: would operate like that and the CEO wouldn't get the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: sack tomorrow.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: This is making me feel so much better about myself
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: because I get really down on myself because I can't
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: find my socks. US Defense Department are rangingly relevant. A
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: trillion dollars they can't find, No, is.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: It not a trillion? To be clear, this is the
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: seventh that they failed brillions. It's well over six trillion
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: because this eight hundred and twenty four billion dollar that's
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: just for the year to date. But this is the
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: seventh that they've failed. So we're talking well over six
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: trillion now that they're just saying, I can't really tell
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: you what the.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Good news is though that they believe that by twenty
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: twenty eight, they're auditing processes will be good.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And they'll know where all this money is.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: So I've only got to wait one of the other
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: three four years and it'll all be suite.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: including Sydney Side is about to be massively disrupted by
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: a train strike as the union seeks a thirty two
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: percent pay rise.
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  Speaker 3: That's coming up in this moment.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's take a look at what's making news in
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: tomorrow's papers. Will start with the Daily Telegraph and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: reckon there'll be a lot of Sydney siders waking up
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to read this headline tomorrow, very very unhappy Union dictators
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: to cause shock three day shutdown. The headline reads train wreck.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Rail union dictators are set to bring Sydney to a
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: devastating halt over three days this weekend as they try
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: to force the men's government into a thirty two percent
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: pay rise now they want that over four years, as
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: well as reduced weekly working hours for those operating trains.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: They will start this strike Thursday night and continue it
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  Speaker 4: through until Sunday morning, with warnings there could be more
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: industrial action midweek after Sunday. This is going to shut
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: down the entire train system.
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  Speaker 3: There's a massive concert.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I forget who's playing this weekend, but there's a big
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: concert in Sydney this weekend as well that people would
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: have been relying upon trains to get to not to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: mention people who just want to get to work. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: this is going to be hugely disruptive and not good
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: for the labor government.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Well, it's certainly not going to get any Sydney siders
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: on board with the union's plans, but it is always
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: remarkable when this happens. We've seen nurses walk off the
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: jobs and you're thinking of everyone sitting at home waiting
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: for their surgeries or people in hospital beds. Are they
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: being fed? When the unions really get the governments by
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: the scruff of the neck and show us all, remind
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: us all who's actually running transit in New South Wales,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: it actually ain't the government and these guys when they
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: walk off, there's no boots left on the ground, no
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: one's running the trains, which means hundreds of thousands of
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Sydney Siders aren't going anywhere for days. There is no
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: quantifying the upheaval this is going to cause, and whether
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: it brings the government to heal or not, only time
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: can tell. But they knew that this threat was on
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: the table when they're refused to take the deal.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So and this is like the union obviously deserves criticism
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: for what they are doing here, but the state government
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: deserves criticism as well because the state government is ultimately
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: responsible for those trains running. They knew this was coming.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: They have failed in these negotiations and.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Now they are the one.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: It's actually the state government that will shut down the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: train services over the weekend.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Because this what are they supposed to do?
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Then just capitulate, photomage what they have to do.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: They should do something something.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, these negotiations sure are protracted because of disagreements
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: between the state government and the union, but the government
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: drags the heels on this stuff too.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're blameless in this situa.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: They can't give an effectively, what's an eight percent per
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: year for the next four years thirty two percent pay rise?
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Otherwise you know, first thing after that, we'll be sitting
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: here criticizing them In's government saying how could they do that?
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: They're just keeping inflation high, et cetera, et cetera, so
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: they can't capitulate. The problem is they've given such high
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: pay rises to other areas nurses, et cetera, that they've
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: got themselves stuck.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Of course, but I don't know, find another way, go
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: off to court to stop it. I mean, there are
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: rules around industrial action and what isn't isn't allowed. I mean,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: surely if you are disrupting public services so thoroughly, there
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: must be some way to stop this kind of thing.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It's the same with the nurses. I mean, you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: nurses walking off the job. Yeah, even though you may
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: have a dispute with the state government, there is also
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a level of responsibility to provide a service.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Within all of that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Surely there is something that can be done about this
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: on the state government.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: See think so they're all still on the payroll.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Tread to sack them.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't care what they do. Just
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: get the trains bloody round.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You know who's going to be most upset about this.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: That's climate protesters because they're going to be like, stop
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the trains, authority stopped.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Really, I thought they'd be thrilled. Less emissions for three days.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Stick that feather in your cap.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: The more those are in the cars.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Potentially potentially a lot of people live too far out
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: and certainly wouldn't drive into the CBD, say if they're
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: trying to get to work or whatever, because there's nowhere
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: to park, unless you're willing to debate a million bucks
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: an hour in Sydney CBD to the front splash of
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the Australia now Bowen's new clear cop out love the
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: play on words there. The Albanezy government has been forced
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: to defend quote outlawing end quote nuclear Energy and faced
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: accusations of being in quote international embarrassment end quote after
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: rejecting an invitation from its orchist security packed partners to
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: join a global move to speed up the spread of
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: civilian nuclear energy at the COP twenty nine climate change
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: talks in Baku, Energy minist Chris Bowen rebuffed an appeal
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: from the uick K and the US to sign the
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: nuclear agreement aimed at decarbonizing industry from March next year.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: This is just getting more and more embarrassing. This is
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: the most important military alliance we have right now. Our
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: too much bigger, much more military might partners the UK
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: and the US are like, please please just sign up
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: to this, and our Energy Minister Chris bow And embarrassing
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: us once again on the world stage. Because the point
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: of the matter is he can't backtrack now. Kenny has
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: been insulting Dutton for as long as I can remember
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: on the New Clear Plan, saying we don't need that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: We're all good with our green dream. We have a road,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: we have a plan. This is the way of the future.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: So now he's just got to keep stringing that banjo, doesn't.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: He And his excuse for this is well a nuclear
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: energy is banned in Australia, so therefore it is of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: no interest or relevance to us. I hate to tell you,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: blackout Bowen, you could change that, but you you could
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: change that is banned because it is banned at the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: federal level.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Your government could reverse that too, but he won't do.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: That because he's scared that nuclear energy might actually work.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: And imagine if nuclear energy worked in this country, it
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: would put to bit all the nonsense that we've gone
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: through with renewable energy, which you learned about at eight
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: pm tonight thanks to Chris Ulman's excellent documentary which you
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: can watch on liin skarn News dot com dot au.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It would put all of that to bed. And we
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: know what a sham it's all been. They don't want
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to admit that they could have got things wrong.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: The other bit of rankocracy here is do you remember
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: when Australia changed its vote regarding Palestine just the other
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: day and Penny Wong explained it thus she said, well,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: all these other countries are going that way, so we
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: are just joining with the rest of the world. When
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: we had the vote on the voice, we were told
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: we must vote yes, otherwise the rest of the world
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: will be laughing at us. But here we come to
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: pretty simple commitments to nuclear power, where there's I think
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: thirty one major nations are all committing to triple the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: amount of power they generate from nuclear and suddenly the
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: government isn't concerned about being on the outer no, no,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: being in the minority. Suddenly, okay, well you can't have
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: it both ways. You can't argue we've made this decision
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: because we want to be part of the international community,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: and then on another issue say, oh no, no, we
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: don't need to be part of the community.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's just hypocrisy.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: To the second splash on the front of the oars,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: coupled with this beautiful photo of Albo grinning from it
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: to air between kir Starmer of the UK and Jijingping
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: of China, the head reads z PM taut best relations
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: in decade. Jijinping is pushing Anthony Albanesi to fight against
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: protectionism in the wake of Donald Trump's pledge to impose
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: sixty percent tariffs on Chinese imports. What a boss. As
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: the leaders declared, China Australia relations had returned to levels
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: not observed since the twenty fourteen Free Trade agreement. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: here they are playing besties, both thumbing their noses at
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Trump saying, well, not go your way. We're going to
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: be Romaine besties. There's no sixty percent tariffs here. I mean,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: it's it's totally expected, isn't it. But at the same time,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: who wouldn't rather a terrombian figure being like, we're not
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: taking your crap anymore. We're not going to be as
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: reliant on China as we have been, and we're going
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: to push back a little.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But Gen needs, you know, in a tech dog to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: go and take up the fight to Donald Trump.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So he tapped Anthony Albert easy on the shoulder.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Is very young of all the people, Oh yeah, handsome boy.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: The amazing thing about the front page of Tomorrow's Australian
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: is could you imagine a photograph where the leader of
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: the UK and Australia are so happy beside Donald Trump?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: You can't, but there's a photo of them beside the
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: leader of the major commonest nation in the world or
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: looking very chummy. What a time to be alive. We're
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Every parent's nightmare a brown snake in her toddler's bedroom,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: and then worse on the beach in Western Australia.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: That's coming up in a moment.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I reckon all those Democrat voters in the US saying
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: they're going to leave America and move to Australia. Now
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Trump is president, will be thinking again after they see
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: some of these clips, because no.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: One likes snakes.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Renee Pallister from Old June Out near Woggle Wogger went
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: into her four year old daughter's bedroom the other day
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: and found this right beside her daughter's bed.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Have a look at the vision.
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: Not exactly what you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Want to find in your baby's room when you come home.
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: It's quite a long snake.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: We're going to try and get a capture to come
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and relocate it because yeah, okay great.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Fortunately she found the snake before her daughter went into
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the bedroom. But this next clip gives me the shivers.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: This is on a beach in Cougie in Perth. Have
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: a look at this snake just crawling casually along the sand.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Beach goer is completely unaware.
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: Straysuls of water all the water that's around oursand.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I just can't get over. People are just casually lying
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: on the beach. They've got their beach gear set up,
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: not knowing that this snake is coming straight towards them. Like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I don't get the cool music to that, because that
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: does not cause me any relaxation.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: See me to tramps over.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Favorite moment from cop to date if you can have
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: a favorite moment for such a shin dig. All the
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: world leaders grabbed together for their monumental the group we
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: are Running the World photo, and it wasn't until they
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: disbanded that someone realized, where's Biden your where are they.
• 48:24
  Speaker 14: Tell Biden on the week for Biden guys, Oh my god.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Trudelon the Grandpa's already an.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Afterthought indeed, And speaking of US politics, I'm normally more
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of a classic FM man, but have had this guy.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Andre and Tunes has put the best of the reactions
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to Trump's election to heavy Metal with.
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: You, with You and your Sister.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: That may well be the only time in my life
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I say heavy metal is a work of art.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I gotta say I quite liked that. That's it. From
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Us to the Ground.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Coming up is the readA Pennety show, Good Night