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Thank God for the Tokers. With Starbuds’ Brian Ruden. · That Car Show

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It was 2009 and the first, very first dispensaries were really
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starting to open. And I was like, I, I got to get
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in on this. This week, MSNBC calls him
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Colorado's pot Baron. Starbud's founder and legit car
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guy Brian Rudin joins us to talk the business of cannabis, what
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the next big thing is or isn't, and most importantly, what's in
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his amazing, amazing garage. F40 career.
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GT, Ferrari, Dino, 73 Rs, you name it, he's got it and we talk
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about it. Happy 4th of July, friends.
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Smoke them if you got them. It's that car show.
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Hey, it's that car show. Dan is away tonight doing big
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car things. And so it's just me and Lindsay.
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And Lindsay is fresh off her own long haul U-Haul drive, this
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time from Albuquerque, where she went to pick up a new fiance, to
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Seattle, which ain't nothing. That's the only place to pick
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him up. How many miles is that ABQ?
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Yeah, 14120. 6 So you beat me and Dan, right?
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I think that was closer to 1000 right from.
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Seattle to I know. So at least with our track
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record so far, that's a short road trip.
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Brian Arnold, if you'd. Well, we'll introduce you here
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in just a second, but Lindsay and your fiance just drove AGT 4
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back from Kansas City, Kansas City, MO to Seattle, but. 2000
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miles, yeah. Yeah, yeah, in the hard hardback
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buckets in. The carbon buckets.
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Yeah, yeah, but we've got a good pal Brian Rudin on the show
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tonight. If you've listened to the show
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for any length of time, you know the name Brian Rudin because he
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is, of course, my poster car patron St. my own mid engine
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Medici, one hell of a nice guy and one of the biggest names in
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cannabis. But you didn't see that coming
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and beat that met Farrah. This is going to be about cars,
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but it's also going to be about how those cars were acquired.
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As I said in my Autoblog article about Brian's F 355, thank God
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for the tokers because they pay the bills and and Brian, of
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course, is the founder of Starbuds, which I think now has
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locations in six states including Colorado, New York and
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Illinois. Brian's garage is a Radwood
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fever dream and then some, with an extensive collection of cars
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that includes an F40A career GTA Diablo, Adino, a 73 Porsche
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career Rs, and much more. And Brian will join us this year
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for his first ever Colorado Grand in a very special Porsche
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356 Speedster, which I hope we'll hear about South.
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Welcome, Brian. Good to see.
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You. Yeah.
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Thanks, Ryan. Thank.
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Nice to meet you, Lindsay. Yeah, thanks so much for joining
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us. I'm.
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So excited to. Learn all about everything.
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My pleasure. This this is This is why you
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should watch the video podcast on Spotify or YouTube, because
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Brian is in front of this collection, not just on the
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other side of the glass and it is awesome and hell of a
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backdrop. Well, thank you.
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It beats my lawn mower Becky. It's.
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The definition of aspirational and motivational for sure.
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Absolutely. So So Brian, when I was getting
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my notes together tonight, I I googled some information about
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you and I found an old MSNBC video with you in it from about
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10 years ago. Does that sound familiar?
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Oh yeah, it was. So it was.
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It was a reality show called Pot Barons of Colorado.
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And I forget how many episodes we did, but they followed us
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through the first year of recreational cannabis in the
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Colorado. Market.
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I must have just seen the intro or something, but even in that
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10 minutes, you basically predicted what has come true 10
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years later. So well, well done.
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But that's ten years ago is really when I guess that's about
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when I moved to Colorado and that's really when I started
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hearing about things. And you got to get into cannabis
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and this and that. But obviously things have
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changed very much in that 10 years.
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You seem to have known what you're doing.
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I think your timing was good, right?
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You had a business sense. But can you tell us about that
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journey and, and you know, what brought you to Colorado?
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What got you started in all this?
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And I guess we're we're cars came into it too.
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That's a lot, sure. So all right, and and feel free
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to interrupt if you want to go down any of these tanks, we
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will, don't worry. OK, so I have loved cars ever
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since I was a little kid, ever since I could remember.
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And neither of my parents are into cars.
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In fact my father is an anti car person.
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He thinks a car should get you to point A to point B and as
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cheaply as possible. And so we didn't have cool cars
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when I was a kid in the family, but I had an uncle who was a car
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enthusiast and he would take me to car shows and he would take
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me to the Englishtown Raceway where they had the NHRA drag
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racing and, and we saw the Top Fuel cars together and the Funny
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cars. And, and so I, I got exposed to
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cars through him. But even as a as a, you know, a
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young kid, I had the poster cars on my wall when I was a kid.
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I dreamed about having a Corvette one day because that,
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that's as far as I could realistically think.
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Maybe one day I could have a Corvette.
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But, you know, I had a a Lamborghini Countach poster and
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Ferrari posters and yeah, yeah. So so the love of cars goes back
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ever since I I was little like as.
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Far as you can remember, that was something that caught your
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attention. Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely. As a kid, what was it about cars
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that grabbed you? You know, I'm not sure.
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The idea of going fast seemed exciting.
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You know, I, I, I just like, I don't know, I just like going
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fast. Like, were you aware that it was
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an interest of yours 'cause I know, I know a lot of car
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enthusiasts where they go, wow, when I look back, like it was
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present even when I was a kid, but I didn't necessarily
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identify it as like, that's my thing.
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No, I identified it as a thing and and that was one of the
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things that I spent a lot of time thinking about and reading
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about. And even now, I still have all
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the old magazines that I used to read and I would read them over
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and over and just wear them out, you know, because that's how you
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found out about cars was magazines.
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And, you know, there were certain authors that were great.
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And then, you know, zero to 60 times seemed so important back
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then. And they were always getting a
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little faster. I remember, you know, anything
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that was like 6 1/2 seconds was like, Oh my God, that's a fast
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car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's. A rocket ship.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it sounds like you were, you
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grew up with pretty pedestrian stuff like, So what did your
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parents have when you were? Were they the the Chrysler
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minivans and that kind of stuff station?
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Wagon, no. My dad had a a Suburban and then
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and then we had a Chevy Caprice and then later a Mazda 626.
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Pretty, pretty middle America, Yeah, Yeah, but.
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I mean at least in Southern California like So what era
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suburban did you have? I don't remember, I was.
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AI was such a little kid back then, 'cause.
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There was one that was like very desired and hip as like a surf
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wagon, beach truck like family hall.
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But it was like, I doubt it it. Was like it.
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Was my and what's funny is my mom actually liked cars a little
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bit. And so she often would have the
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sportier car in the family. And at one time she had a Honda
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Prelude, which was actually a pretty cool car.
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Yeah, that's a segment that doesn't exist anymore, really,
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right? Cars like the Prelude, they were
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great, right? And just they're not around
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right it. Was yeah.
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And it it was a stick shift and. Nice.
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Yeah, when I was old enough, I would drive it.
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Yes. Well, you grew up in New York,
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right? Yeah.
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So you. Weren't in Southern California
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or. No, no, Yeah, I grew up in New
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York. We went to, I went to high
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school in New Jersey. And that's really where, you
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know, I was as a as a young adult.
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And you know, the big deal in New Jersey was when you got your
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license, you could skip school and you could drive down to the
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shore. Or on the weekends you go down
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to the Jersey Shore. Nice.
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You know, so having any car was a big deal.
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And then if you had a cool car, Oh my God, that was just like
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the dream going to the beach and a it's anything cool.
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So for two, two kids who didn't grow up anywhere near the Jersey
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Shore, is the Jersey Shore all we grew up thinking the Jersey
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Shore was? Because I think we all have our
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own idea. Is it everything MTV told us it
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isn't more? Was it?
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No way it could be that amazing. Well.
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Well, that was that was one perspective of it.
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I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah, sure.
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Yeah, like what's what was what was a normal Jersey Shore, it's
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like. A normal Jersey Shore experience
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was going down to the beach, walking down the boardwalk, you
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know, eating the, the street food, playing the games, but
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mostly just something to do with your friends, you know, and, and
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it was the first feeling of freedom and independence from
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your parents because that was the place to go, you know, And
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then if you had a girlfriend or someone, you know, you can, you
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know, make out at the beach. Yeah, you could hang out
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without. Yeah, your parental eyes on you.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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A pretty good upbringing then. I mean, you weren't stuck in
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Nebraska or something. I mean, you, you know, you got
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to see a lot. I did, yeah.
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I know. It was great.
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It was great. So you went to high school out
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east, you went to college out east, went to law school.
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I did, yeah. So graduated, went to UMass
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Amherst, which was a lot more rural than where I grew up in
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New Jersey, and it was great. And I really fell in love with
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the mountains and hiking, and we had access to skiing.
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And so I learned how to ski, and I became a skier.
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Which is perfect for Colorado, actually.
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Well, So what really brought me to Colorado was skiing.
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Oh, OK. Yeah, so your.
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Family. That was not a family activity
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growing up like that was something you found.
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In no, that's right. So I, I graduated and then I
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made my way up to Vermont, where I worked in the ski industry.
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That's how big a passion skiing was for me.
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And then after a few years of that, I realized, you know, I
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got to do something more with my life or I'll just be a ski bomb,
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which isn't the worst thing, but you know, I had aspirations to
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to do better in life. And so I went to law school or
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your right shoulder we. Can see right?
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No, it doesn't happen by accident, right?
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Yeah. I I've had plans ever since I
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was a kid to figure out how to be successful.
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That's awesome. So.
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You went to law school? I went to law school my first
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year in Rhode Island because partly because that's the school
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I got into and it was local to where I was, Rodger Williams
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University. And I worked my ass off.
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And I, after the first year, was very lucky in that I would had
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the ability then to transfer almost any law school in the
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country. And I chose to transfer to
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Denver because Denver, I theorized, has skiing and is a
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real enough city that I can make a living there versus, you know,
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moving back to Vermont. And, yeah, there's skiing, but
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how are you going to What are you going to do now?
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You just got a law degree. You're 6 figures in debt.
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Good luck. And you're in Vermont, right?
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Yeah, right. Right.
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And of course, I fell in love with Colorado.
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It is amazing here. And.
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Yeah. And then I graduated law school
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and I started working as an attorney, and I did that for a
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few years. You specialize in anything?
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Or was it? I eventually specialized in tax
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resolution and I worked for a firm in Broomfield, Co called
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Omni Financial. And this actually, without
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realizing it was a became a big part of my later success because
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in tax resolution, you meet business owners from all over
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the country of all different sized businesses and you're
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getting a deep dive into their financials because the way you
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settle tax debt has to do with the taxpayers ability to pay,
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not with, oh, how much they owe or this or that.
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It's, it's what can this person do or this business do?
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And so you really had to analyze that.
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And talking to all these business owners gave me the
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confidence to go out on my own because if these guys could do
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it, I could do it. And I've saw everything in the
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world not to do because these were all failing businesses,
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businesses in trouble. And some of them had done really
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well. The only way you accrue a
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$1,000,000, a multimillion dollar tax liability or hundreds
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of thousands of dollars of tax liabilities, you had to do
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something right first before it all went wrong.
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So, so I had that experience, which was good.
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Another job experience I had in my past was I sold vacuum
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cleaners in people's homes. And yes.
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And So what that taught me was how to close and how to sell,
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because that was a pretty cutthroat, very difficult
14:20
business it was. Like throw something on your
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carpet and then, Oh, yeah, they could clean it up, Yeah.
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Yep. No, I did that to people.
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Was this during college? Like at which point were you
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doing this? Yeah, just as soon as I
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graduated college. It was my first gig out of.
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College. Kidding.
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No. Kidding.
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Yeah, yeah. While I was in college, I had a
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somewhat job related. Oh, there's a funny story I'll
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tell you in a second, but I had AI, had a car related job.
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I worked for enterprise rent a car.
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Oh my gosh. And So what was cool about that
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was, you know, they'll pick you up.
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So you get to drive all the cars and pick people up.
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And I just love driving and being in cars.
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Well, I remember one time they had gotten these Chevy something
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SSS. They were front wheel drive but
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they had big V. Eights.
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V eights in them and I had just filled it up with gas and I did
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a burnout leaving my boss saw me and I got in trouble and.
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That was the end of that role. No, no, that that was just one
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real thing I work. Cars are.
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Amazing, that was the Monte Carlos.
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Like the yeah, yeah, Monte Carlo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, it wasn't a straight. S S It was like a Monte Carlo.
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Oh, the s s version OK. Right.
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You're like. The Golden s s.
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Good one. Yeah, yes.
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Let's go. Yeah.
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Oh yeah, That's funny, huh? So.
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And somebody interrupt. I have my garage open.
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It's the night before 4th of July when we're recording this.
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So it's like I'm in a war zone, but it's just patriotism.
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So anyway, sorry, back to the show.
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Just hashtag America. So, all right, so anyway, I'm,
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I'm practicing law. I'm looking at all of these
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businesses across the country, and I'm intimately involved with
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the owners of the business and their financials and negotiating
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deals on their behalf. And so this whole time I'm
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trying to figure out how to have my own business.
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And I didn't know if I should get into real estate.
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And I knew people that were fixing and flipping houses was a
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popular thing at that time. It wasn't really my passion, but
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I was trying to figure out something to do.
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I was thinking about maybe I should learn everything there is
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about running a law practice and just go out on my own and and
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start one of those. But then Colorado did something
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really interesting in that it adopted a medical marijuana
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program, not the first in the country, but one of the first in
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the country. And I had a friend who was one
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of the very first medical marijuana patients, and she was
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legally allowed to grow cannabis, use it, possess it,
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things like that. And I saw her grow, and I was
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like, Oh my God, this is amazing.
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And what we didn't talk about was in college, you know, I
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discovered marijuana and I and I really enjoyed it.
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Pot and skiing. Yeah, those are two.
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Yeah, they were, they were passions.
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So I, I was a marijuana connoisseur anyway.
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And then so I was intrigued by this medical marijuana program.
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And then some rules changed. I forget exactly what it was,
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but it was 2009 and the first, very first dispensaries were
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really starting to open. And I was like, I, I got to get
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in on this. And so while I was working full
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time, I became at the time what was known as a caregiver.
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And a caregiver was somebody who was licensed to either grow and
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supply pot for medical patients. There were limitations.
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I forget all the rules, but so I started growing pot in my home
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as a licensed caregiver and the patients, whatever surplus you
18:30
had, you could then go to the dispensaries and you can sell to
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the existing dispensaries. And this was a big thing back in
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like 08/09 and they were the backpack days.
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So Colorado and Denver, if you don't know Denver, there's an
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area on Broadway called the Green Mile.
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And it's where all these dispensaries opened up first.
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And, and people would walk down Broadway with backpacks full of
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weed, walking in and out of dispensaries trying to sell them
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what they grew. And, and they would, sometimes
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they'd buy it from you or take it on consignment and then they
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would sell it to their patients. And then that how's how I got my
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start. And then that led to me getting
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into my own dispensary and my own commercial grow and, you
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know, getting it out of my basement and into a warehouse.
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And at that point, I had to leave the practice of law and I
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had to tell my parents that I am not going to practice law
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anymore, which was a pretty crazy conversation back then
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because, you know, it was a whole new thing and it it was
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legal, but there was a lot of Gray area around it it.
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Was very murky and confusing. I remember hearing even
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everybody that was trying to follow the rules.
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Trying to decipher what the rules actually said was really
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tricky. It was huge, right?
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OK, so a few things. So first, yes, it was so tricky.
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The rules were crazy and so. When I went to an attorney to
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figure out how to get the business license, they were
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reading the rules and we're trying to figure it out.
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I was like, wait a minute, I'm a lawyer.
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You don't know I could figure this out.
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I don't need you. And so I became my own attorney
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and my own expert in all things cannabis, all the rules and
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regulations. And for years I did all the
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paperwork and everything like that.
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And yes, it was all cash for many years.
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And that was a whole nother crazy thing because you had to
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figure out how to have a business without banking.
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And so right, that was a. Huge part.
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Of it, every bill that you could pay in cash, you would.
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So you'd pay your net payroll in cash.
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So the taxes had to get paid separately.
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But what the employees would get, we'd pay them in cash.
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I was running around town getting money orders constantly
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so that I could pay bills that you couldn't use cash for.
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We pay our sales tax in cash and I it was not uncommon once we
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were recreational and the business really took off in
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2014, it was not uncommon to be paying hundreds of thousands of
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dollars in sales tax in cash. And, and some of the other
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dispensaries would use armored cars or this and that, but I
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didn't do that. I I just went with a duffel bag
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and did. You use the shop at the tax
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office. Yeah, in Lakewood on Pierce St.,
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No. No kidding.
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The same place where they have the DMV, they have it's, it's,
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it's the Department of Revenue and so.
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There you go. You can pay sales tax and cash
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there. I love the idea of just walking
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in and like just dropping your duffel bag full of cash on the
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counter. And you're like, here you go.
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It wasn't that fun because what would happen is they would have
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to count it. And if it was off by any amount,
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you know, then they would want to recount it.
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And so that would just took forever.
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Yeah. You're like, I got to block out
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two weeks to go pay my sales tax.
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But it was a half a day of your. Yeah, which is the long
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especially that adds up, yeah. It adds up.
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Luckily that that didn't last forever.
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We we eventually got banked and you know, things, things became
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easier. I remember hearing stories of
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people that were trying to figure out how to start banks,
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like either people that were growing and dispensing
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themselves and they were trying to figure out how to solve the
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problem for themselves and others, or people that saw a
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business opportunity of going like, hey, what if I start a
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bank that just serves the cannabis industry?
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Because it's like they're they're dying in that respect,
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like they need something. Yeah, no.
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And that thought crossed my mind back back in the day and and and
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a lot of other people, but it turns out banking is highly
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regulated and quite a difficult business to get into as well,
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right. But anyway, you know, in the in
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the very beginning of cannabis, it was fairly easy to make money
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because it was new and there was a huge demand and the market,
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again, it was just new. There wasn't as much
23:27
competition. But as time went on, it became a
23:31
more and more sophisticated business, a more and more
23:35
competitive business. And things like having really
23:39
good locations, having good brands, having very efficient
23:43
operations became critical not just to make money, but to even
23:49
survive. And I think because I had the
23:53
legal background and I think because I had seen so many
23:57
businesses, I had such financial discipline to run a really
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efficient tight ship, even when times were good, not wasting
24:06
money and putting it to the bottom line.
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And and then just doing things really well led to building, you
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know, a fairly large company that not only survived but
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thrived even in the hyper competitive landscape that we
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have today. And so I know Ryan mentioned
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like you're now in multiple states.
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So can you talk about what that was like to, you know, expand
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outside of Colorado and like what your business looks like
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today? So I did a reality show called
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Pot Barons of Colorado, which was on MSNBC and that sort of
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gave gave that gave my partners and I national notoriety, the
24:53
Starbucks brand national notoriety.
24:55
And then that led to some other things where I did another
25:00
reality show type thing called the marijuana show.
25:05
And what that was, is it was it was just like shark tape but for
25:10
cannabis businesses. And I was one of the sharks.
25:12
And there were four of us who would hear pitches and react and
25:17
either invest or non invest. Well, through that experience, I
25:22
met some folks out of the state of Maryland and we wound up
25:27
partnering with them and opened the first out of state Star Buds
25:32
in Baltimore and it was wildly successful.
25:37
It's still wildly successful. In fact, we're opening more
25:40
stores in Maryland right now. But that gave me the confidence
25:45
to know that, you know, the playbook that works in Colorado
25:51
does work in other states. So the way that we deliver
25:55
customer service, the way we set stores up, the way we do our
25:58
inventory control, our accounting, our security, all of
26:02
these things, our merchandising, all these things that worked in
26:06
Colorado work really good in Maryland.
26:10
And we were pretty much the number one store in Maryland for
26:14
years. And we still might be, I, I
26:15
don't know. Certainly if you look at the
26:20
EBITDA, it probably is. But that gave me the confidence
26:24
that we could replicate this. And so we started bringing it to
26:29
more and more markets, more states.
26:31
Can we talk about your brand real quick?
26:33
Because I think you said something very important and you
26:35
know, you're all selling the same stuff effectively, right?
26:38
So there's the importance of the of the brand and customer
26:41
service and relationship and the trust and all that.
26:43
But, but brand is key. And I think so much of your
26:44
success is because of your brand.
26:46
Who came up with the name Starbuds and how have you gotten
26:49
away with it for so long? So my business partner, his
26:56
cousin, was the store operator of a store that he was running
27:02
and he and I got together to open a new dispensary.
27:06
So I I had a dispensary called the Tree of Wellness and he had
27:10
a dispensary called Citymed. And we joined forces to open a
27:14
new dispensary in Denver. And we were trying to think of
27:17
names. And his cousin MO blurted out,
27:23
what if we called it Starbucks? And immediately I was like, I
27:27
love it. And my business partner said, no
27:31
way. We're going to get sued by
27:33
Starbucks coffee and it's not going to work.
27:36
We just can't do it. And I said, well, who cares?
27:39
Think of the publicity. So what, We'll change the name,
27:43
but in the meantime, think, think of the publicity, because
27:47
at that time, advertising was completely restricted.
27:50
You couldn't advertise, you couldn't have billboards.
27:54
So like, how do you get the word out?
27:56
Well, one of the ways was the news media.
28:00
And so when when there were stories, I always volunteered
28:06
because it's like, hey, we'd get the Starbuds name in front of
28:09
the camera. And in 2014, this was a big
28:13
story. This is a big deal that there's
28:14
legal cannabis because Colorado was the first state to have
28:18
recreational. So anyway, my partner
28:23
capitulated and he said, all right, you're the lawyer, fine,
28:27
let's roll, let's do it. And so that's how Starbucks was
28:30
born. And over the years, we've had to
28:37
modify the logo and the way that we express Starbucks so it's to
28:42
not create any confusion in the marketplace with Starbucks
28:46
coffee. I love the marketing plan.
28:51
You're like, you know how we're going to get some free
28:52
advertisement? Genius.
28:54
Yeah. Do people actually confuse the
28:55
two? Let's get let's.
28:56
Get rid of No, of course not. No, no, of course not.
28:59
Of course not. And now do you operate in
29:01
Washington? I do not operate in Washington,
29:05
but there is a Starbuds dispensary in Washington and I,
29:10
and I am friendly with the owner of of that business and you
29:14
know, because because marijuana is not federally legal, you
29:20
cannot get a federal trademark. And so it's state by state.
29:24
And so there are Starbuds in other states that I don't own or
29:30
control, but I do either own or license the name to most of
29:35
them. And any that have my logo, you
29:39
know, they're, they're doing it through, you know, a business, a
29:43
business arrangement. Yeah.
29:45
Huh. Oh, that's kind of interesting
29:46
that I mean, and that's another one of those like weird quirks I
29:51
think because I think that's, I remember hearing that at the
29:53
time was the conflict was a lot of the state versus federal and
29:57
figuring out like where is the area that we're actually OK, but
30:02
you leveraged that. That's true, yeah.
30:03
It's you. You work to your advantage and.
30:07
Clearly. Yeah, I know.
30:10
That's amazing. I love that so many of us aren't
30:11
risk takers. Right.
30:12
But I, I think what I hear again and again are what's finally
30:15
like, you know, hitting me is that that, you know, you've got
30:19
to take risks, right? You've got to right?
30:22
So I. I heard something that Jeff
30:25
Bezos said really recently, and you don't get the wedding, by
30:29
the way. I am.
30:31
I am. Fresh back from Venice.
30:34
When I said road trip. Wasn't it my way of Venice?
30:40
But here's here's what here's what he.
30:41
Said I, I For most people this is true, and I think this is one
30:45
of the things that I think for me is not true.
30:48
But he said it's human nature to overestimate the risk of things,
30:56
and it's also human nature to underestimate the potential
31:01
upside. And so a lot of people don't
31:04
take those risks because they think the risk is bigger than it
31:07
really is, and they don't realize what the upside of
31:10
something could be. And, you know, we talked about
31:14
that. I enjoy going fast and I ski
31:18
really fast, you know, and I go to the track and I, you know, I
31:22
like to drive fast. And I just am very comfortable
31:27
with risk. And when I left the practice of
31:30
law, I, I didn't feel like it was that risky, even though
31:34
everyone else thought it was because I was like, well, always
31:36
be a lawyer. I could go back to that at any
31:39
time. But this is a once in a lifetime
31:41
opportunity. I was too young when the
31:44
Internet really started to take off and become a thing to take
31:47
advantage of it. And I, and I was like, man, I
31:50
wish I was looking back. I wish like I was of the age to,
31:55
you know, to jump in and, and be one of the web entrepreneurs.
31:59
But I was in college when the web started going and I, and I
32:03
always told myself if if anything like that ever happens
32:07
again in my life, I am just doing it.
32:09
And cannabis I recognized was going to be a big thing.
32:14
And I was like, this is the new thing.
32:15
This is it. This is like my generation's
32:19
Internet and I'm. I'm getting in.
32:21
Yeah. And then I figured.
32:23
I could always. I could always go back to
32:26
working at a law firm. Sure, right.
32:29
Well, and I love the. Idea that you like it was risky
32:33
on paper and sort of on the surface to leave the practice of
32:37
law, but really you you had been inadvertently doing your
32:40
research in your work with all these companies and you
32:44
recognized an amazing opportunity and you're like, I'm
32:46
too young to not say yes to this.
32:48
I love that for me. Yeah, it was.
32:51
Very, very lucky that I was in the right place at the right
32:55
time. I was in Colorado specifically,
32:57
which was the first state. I was of the right age where I
33:01
wasn't married, I didn't have kids.
33:03
I could take risks. You know, I was young enough to
33:09
have the energy to do it, yet old enough to to have the
33:13
wherewithal to actually do something about it.
33:17
But I, I was all in. I mean, every penny I had saved
33:20
in my life went into the business.
33:24
And then when I finally actually made any money in the business,
33:29
I reinvested. I've been all in multiple times
33:33
as the business would expand and we'd get new stores or, or this
33:36
and that. And so that felt a little bit
33:40
risky, but I didn't care because, you know, I, I, I don't
33:45
know. I just knew I couldn't.
33:49
I, I was going to do whatever it took to not fail.
33:52
Yeah, no matter what, you know, I was, I was just going to make
33:55
it happen. Whatever.
33:57
You're a gambler, right? You're a gambler.
33:59
You've gone in record saying you're a gambler.
34:01
Sure. Yeah.
34:03
Yeah. Well, in the very, in the very
34:05
beginning, we gambled our freedom because federal
34:10
marijuana laws were very strict. It still are to this day.
34:16
And so we didn't know if if we'd go to jail or not for for doing
34:20
this business, pardon my language.
34:23
But what's the hard on the feds have for cannabis?
34:27
Oh, that's such a long story. How much time do we?
34:32
Yeah, I mean. If you think about this just
34:35
real quick, there's a lot of industries that are threatened
34:38
by cannabis. So the first one was the paper
34:42
industry and and they're also logging because hemp paper and
34:46
then all the industrial uses. And then pharmaceutical
34:51
companies feel threatened because this is a plant medicine
34:54
that can replace and does replace lots of other drugs that
34:58
they have patents for, that they sell for zillions of dollars and
35:02
they've put in the they've invested in.
35:03
Developing and that tobacco industry.
35:06
Alcohol industry you know when in states where cannabis is is
35:10
legal and available, alcohol sales plummet because it's a
35:14
it's another alternative. Yeah, yeah.
35:17
So there's the. Federal tie in because you have
35:18
the. Alcohol industry lobby the
35:21
government, right And then. The private prisons and law
35:29
enforcement for profit is all tied in as well because what's
35:33
easier than throwing someone in jail for possession of
35:37
marijuana? You pull somebody over your
35:38
search, they're clarified marijuana, now all of a sudden
35:41
you can charge them criminally. There's so many reasons.
35:46
There's so many reasons why the feds have a hard on for
35:52
marijuana and and they're all bullshit and it's all terrible.
35:58
Well, it's fascinating because you don't.
36:00
Like I think the, the average person doesn't think about all
36:05
of the different aspects of life that are impacted by this.
36:08
Like, you know, the private prisons, like that doesn't pop
36:11
into my head. So it's, it's interesting.
36:14
It's fascinating to consider. Lindsay, I'm going to bring in
36:17
something. From the past, but it just seems
36:19
to suit the moment and now you know.
36:23
Brian, you don't. That's an old.
36:26
Steering. Committee.
36:26
Thing, but yeah, that's yeah, I've got to bring that back.
36:29
I I love the commitment. To the callback.
36:31
That wasn't the callback. That's an ancient one.
36:34
That is, that is for the the. People that have played been
36:37
playing their bingo cards with us for a long time.
36:41
That's for the die hard fans. That's that's right.
36:44
So all right. So inquiring minds want to know
36:46
what's the next big thing? Is it mushrooms?
36:48
Is it micro dosing? You tell us.
36:50
I I want an F40I want a career GT What are we doing?
36:54
I don't have I. I don't have a crystal ball.
36:58
I have, I have quite a few friends that are involved in the
37:01
psychedelic space and I I don't see the business opportunity at
37:10
at scale. And the reason is if you take
37:14
mushrooms, people often use it in one of two ways.
37:18
They'll take a large enough dose to have a genuine trip and
37:22
they'll only do that once in a while, maybe a couple of times a
37:27
year at most. The other way people use
37:31
mushrooms is they'll micro dose. And so they're taking these tiny
37:34
amounts, very tiny, like 1/10 of a gram every day or less.
37:39
And so mushrooms, unlike cannabis, are far easier to grow
37:45
and you're not, you're hardly using any of them.
37:48
And so compared to to pot, mushrooms are basically free.
37:54
You know, the, the substance itself doesn't cost much.
37:57
Where people are creating businesses around psychedelics
38:01
is service businesses, people offering psychotherapy with
38:07
mushrooms or like integrated things like that.
38:13
Yes, practice. Right, integrating it.
38:16
Into therapeutic practices. So I have friends that are
38:20
psychiatrist, psychologist, who you know, are, are integrating
38:25
it. I have one friend who actually
38:28
created a, an institute training therapist how to use
38:34
psychedelics in their practice. And he's done very, very well
38:39
because there's, you know, thousands of therapists out
38:42
there that want to learn more. And so he holds these retreats
38:47
in other states where he can do this and you know, for a lot of
38:52
money, you sign up and you go and you can get trained and, and
38:55
then you can incorporate it into your practice.
38:57
So that's like scale. Of a fashion, but in the sense
39:01
of like truly scaling if you are a dispenser of the psychedelic
39:06
substance, you're right. Like you don't have the loyal
39:09
fanbase the way you do in cannabis, it sounds like.
39:12
I don't think so. I think that there will be
39:15
mushroom brands eventually, but I don't see it as being as big a
39:21
business as cannabis. Should we put a bow on the
39:26
cannabis thing and take it to the cars?
39:28
Yeah. Or OK, All right.
39:29
Because. Yeah, yeah.
39:31
But fascinating conversation. And, you know, all these things
39:34
you you've always wanted to know.
39:35
I've been afraid to ask and now you know.
39:36
But you have a hell of a garage. Can you go through the list of
39:41
what's behind you just in in in total?
39:44
Sure. So I.
39:45
Could I could turn this a little bit and start over there?
39:48
So what What you can't see in the dark area is a Ferrari 458
39:54
Speciali. Then that red car is the F355
40:00
Rollinetta, which I fit in now. Lindsay I.
40:02
Fit. You took the damn sparkle seat
40:04
out and I fit. OK, Yeah.
40:05
It's a cool car, that's all. It's yeah.
40:08
Yeah. I love that car.
40:11
I drive it all the time. Inherently good.
40:13
And then there's a a 19. 73911 S targa which will give me a I'm
40:19
sorry to. Interrupt, but that car will
40:20
give me a run for my money in my GT4.
40:23
That's a bright car. What color?
40:25
Is that it's beautiful. Thank you.
40:27
It's Gemini. Blue.
40:28
Oh, I love it. And then there's.
40:31
A-997-DOT2GT3 Rs, Very nice. A 73 Carrera Rs.
40:39
There's another There's a 993 Carrera Rs which is the last of
40:46
the air cooled Ferrari F40, the ultimate Lamborghini Diablo.
40:54
Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Dino, and then not pictured.
41:04
I have a 1957 Porsche 356A Speedster that I am super
41:12
excited to do the Colorado Grand with that car.
41:14
It's gonna be awesome. That's fantastic.
41:17
Well, and so this is a what color and then I have a couple
41:20
of others that. That are project cars, a couple
41:22
more OK. So what are the project cars?
41:26
I. Am building.
41:27
A 1976 Porsche 930 hot rod in ice cream metallic with a 3.8
41:37
liter single air cooled turbo motor.
41:41
So it'll make it'll just make ridiculous power.
41:45
Kind of like a singer turbo study but built on a on
41:51
A1976930, not a modern 964. So it'll be quite a bit more
41:58
raw. And then the other car I'm
42:01
building is a 1970 Porsche 9/11 St. with lightweight doors and
42:10
aluminum hood and deck lid and a a four liter normally aspirated
42:15
high rubbing, awesome air cooled motor.
42:18
Yeah. So this is a little.
42:20
Bit like asking a parent to pick their favorite child.
42:22
But do you have a favorite? So the F40 is absolutely the
42:29
ultimate and that was always the, the, the end all be all
42:34
dream car for me. And I sold a part of my company
42:41
and that was like the punctuation of success.
42:45
And to me that car symbolizes all my success.
42:50
And I absolutely love driving it.
42:52
It is a riot. But that being said, the car
42:57
that I jump in and drive all the time, the two cars I jump in and
43:01
drive all the time are the F355 and the 73 Targa.
43:06
Because they're so usable in the real world.
43:09
And I don't mind putting miles on them.
43:12
And I could take them places and I could park them.
43:14
And they're just really fun and usable.
43:18
And they're just a great amount of performance for the public
43:22
roads. You know, an F40 or career GT,
43:27
you know, they're fun, but right, You know, they're you.
43:33
You. They're harder to exploit in in
43:35
the real world. Yeah.
43:37
It takes more thought. Like you, I think like you said,
43:40
as opposed to being able to just like something that is high
43:43
performance but suited to daily life, as opposed to like, OK, if
43:48
you're going to take like the career GT out, you may think
43:52
like, OK, what's my route? Or it takes a little more
43:55
forethought. I would imagine you know you're
43:57
exactly right. And it's a typically a point A
44:01
to point a car, yeah. That's where the you know.
44:06
The 73 Targets got tons of patina on it and I'll I'll take
44:11
it to the store. I'll take a grocery shopping.
44:13
I'll take it to work. Just use it as a car.
44:16
Yeah yeah. Which is why we all.
44:18
Got into this in the 1st place right?
44:20
I mean, like I joke that my metric is like, OK, but would I
44:23
take it to the market for eggs? And like usually it's always
44:27
yes, because there's there's an element of like do you take?
44:31
The Carrera. GT to the market for eggs.
44:32
Absolutely. I've taken, I've gone.
44:35
Grocery shopping in the Lamborghini Diablo that's like I
44:39
love. This contrast, it has a
44:41
surprisingly big. Front front trunk.
44:44
Right on, right on. You come out with the full cart
44:47
from. Costco and you're like, all
44:48
right, you're about to see something amazing.
44:51
And if you follow me on Autoblog, you'll see an article
44:54
probably soon after this gets posted of me driving that
44:59
Porsche Kura GT. Brian was more than kind enough
45:03
to let me drive that thing because I I know what a special
45:05
car that is. It was awesome.
45:07
It was a really. Really fun time because I I got
45:10
to drive to and I don't drive that car super often and it's
45:15
always a treat and one of the things you told me that.
45:18
I mentioned the articles, I had no idea how rare those are.
45:22
They built more of that Ferrari F40 behind you just right.
45:26
And substantial amount of the career GTS have been written
45:29
off, right? And I think most of them you
45:31
said were in the first couple years after people took
45:33
delivery, right? Still figuring the things out.
45:34
It's a very, very special car and it drives like a special
45:37
car. It's a special experience and I
45:39
probably talk a bit too much about the collection, the
45:40
article, but it's it. These are the things that go
45:43
through your mind when you're behind.
45:45
We love a career at GT and and thank you again, Brian, because
45:48
that that was definitely a bucket list car morning for me
45:51
and we had a beautiful day. It was just beautiful and think
45:55
about that every day. So thank you again.
45:57
I mean, it's if it's a drive that.
45:59
You think about every day like that's the ultimate, like that's
46:02
the goal, right? Yeah.
46:03
Well, what's missing in the? Collection What's?
46:06
What's or is there anything? You know, as a as a car nut, you
46:13
are always thinking about other cars, right?
46:16
So I think a Lamborghini Mureau would be just a stunning car.
46:25
You know those are a family favorite at my.
46:27
House, that's an excellent choice.
46:29
Yeah, yeah. You know, we'll, we'll see where
46:32
life takes me having having not driven on the grand, but been to
46:38
the Colorado grand and seeing all the old Ferraris and, and
46:42
stuff like that. I mean, you can't help but lost
46:45
after a 250 short wheelbase and, and things like that.
46:50
You know that that's outside my budget, even though I've done
46:55
really well and I have a lot of great cars that you know,
46:58
there's there's levels, right? That's a whole nother level.
47:00
Yeah, yeah, there's. Always someone with something
47:02
better, it doesn't matter what, right?
47:05
If you got a Mira, these are of course known for like bright
47:08
colors and all that. Is there a color that you'd want
47:10
on a Mira? There was a Verde Ethica Mira on
47:15
Bring a Trailer in 2020 and it had a bright blue interior and
47:24
it wound up selling for about 900,000 and I had not bought my
47:27
F40 yet and I was looking at that mirror and I love that
47:34
Verde Ithaca. It's a it's a bright green.
47:37
Is it the? Is it the lime?
47:39
Green or is it a different kinda yeah.
47:42
Like a lime bright green. It's the very bright like.
47:46
There's a couple in Southern California that.
47:48
We see. I I thought that color.
47:51
Suited the car. It was unbelievable.
47:52
It does. And I thought about bidding on
47:57
it, but the two things that held me back was 1.
48:01
To my eye, it looked like the bright blue interior sort of
48:04
clashed with the green, and I could have gotten over that.
48:08
It was kind of cool, but I was like, I don't know, it's a
48:10
little weird. Yeah.
48:12
So that held me back. But the the real reason was
48:15
because I couldn't have done both and I had to have the F40.
48:19
Yeah, yeah. And I I was getting.
48:23
So just say that is the peak car.
48:25
For, for many of us, I mean, that is it.
48:26
That's the alpha and the Omega. I mean, and you've got it and it
48:31
and it. Honestly, it lives up to, you
48:34
know, everything. Everyone talks about it, you
48:37
know? Yeah, which doesn't always
48:39
happen, so. That's no, that's like peak car
48:42
enthusiasts where you've got the thing you've been lusting after
48:45
and it lives up to your dreams and you go, it's like, yes, it's
48:48
amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:50
Yeah. No, it it's such an experience
48:53
car, it takes your breath away. Yeah, that's have you.
48:56
Ever been disappointed with anything that you've bought or
48:58
driven that just didn't? You know, one of those meet your
49:01
heroes moments? Of course.
49:04
So I had a, a 93 1/2 Lotus Esprit, which was the Peter
49:11
Stevens design car. And so it was the four-cylinder
49:16
turbo. I didn't want the V8, I wanted
49:19
the 4 cylinder because to me that was the lighter, more
49:22
nimble kind of the what the ethos of the car should be.
49:28
It wasn't as good to drive as I had hoped.
49:32
One of the real let downs of the car was the gearbox and people
49:36
talk about that but it had like a a rubbery feel.
49:39
It was vague and when it would get hot it would get worse.
49:43
And at the time I had my F355 Spyder and that gearbox was
49:49
amazing and that engine was amazing and the car handled
49:52
better. It just did everything better.
49:56
And so I wound up not keeping that, that Lotus and and maybe
49:59
it was a not the best example of that car.
50:02
I don't know, because it was the only one I'd ever driven.
50:06
But that car didn't live up to what I had hoped.
50:10
I held on to it for a few years because it was the coolest
50:13
looking thing. Oh my God, that wedge shape.
50:17
And I got so much it, it was white and it looked amazing.
50:22
And I would get stopped. Like people would freak out
50:25
about that car in public. And I got probably as much
50:28
attention in that than any other car I've I've ever owned,
50:32
really. Oh yeah, yeah.
50:34
People, people would go bonkers over it.
50:36
They remember it from from a Pretty Woman.
50:39
Oh, sure, Yeah, that would be the one.
50:41
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish I could rattle off the
50:44
line from pretty women, but it's been a minute big.
50:48
Mistake huge. There you go.
50:51
There you go. There you go.
50:53
You obviously have a great business mind and I think you've
50:56
probably done well with cars and as investments, although I know
50:59
that's not why you buy them. What should we be buying?
51:02
Like what should I mean, you keep hearing, you know, follow
51:05
the generational stuff by the 80s, nineties cars.
51:07
Is that where it's at or we should we be picking up the
51:09
stuff that's dropping in value like maybe some of the the older
51:12
stuff like what's what's the move in your eyes?
51:15
The move is always to buy what? You like buy what you love
51:18
because one, that's what you want, right?
51:22
So that's what you should buy. But more than that, if you're
51:26
looking at it as an investment, and I kind of hate talking about
51:29
cars as investments, but if if it's something that you're
51:34
passionate about, the odds, the chances are other people are as
51:38
well. So I think the cars, and I'm
51:45
probably not the only one that's talking about this, but cars
51:47
from the 90s and the aughts I think are the next big thing.
51:55
And you know, like cars from like the mid 90s to like, let's
52:00
say the early 20 tens, I think I think are going to be recognized
52:07
as a really special place where cars had enough sophistication,
52:12
enough modern technology to be good cars, but not so much that
52:20
they're not engaging. So the, the current most recent
52:24
cars to me are just less engaging, even though their
52:28
performance is amazing, You know, electric steering, rear
52:33
rear steering full of computers, just the bigness of them.
52:36
They're they're just, they're not mechanically connected in
52:40
the way the older cars were. Well, if we're being really
52:43
honest, cars from the 60s, seventies, and even 80s are
52:49
really just not great cars. There are some exceptions, but
52:55
but a lot of them, if they're not modified are like like an
53:00
85911 Porsche is, is really slow.
53:06
You know, in today's in today's world, right?
53:09
You know, they're wonderful to use and they're great to drive,
53:13
but but you know, they don't, they don't have, they don't get
53:15
with it where where cars from the 90s and 2000s do, but
53:21
they're still connected. So that's, that's where I think
53:26
the market's heading. And I'll put my money where my
53:30
mouth is because the car I bought most recently is a 2010
53:35
Porsche, the GT3 Rs. It's the last generation of
53:41
RS911 that's a manual, the last Metzger engine.
53:47
They sound incredible. There's they're fast even today,
53:54
but there's so much more connected than the car that came
53:57
even after it, which is the 991 which has electric steering.
54:01
They lost the hydraulic steering and 99 twos are so big.
54:05
I I think of them as SUVs almost, yeah.
54:10
Yeah, it's yeah, so. The the cover I you get CC-3.
54:16
It's Greg with. The red accents and the red
54:19
wheels. Nice.
54:21
So years ago when people would ask oh What Car should I get, I
54:25
was telling everybody to buy a Lamborghini Diablo when they
54:29
were 100 and 100 to $150,000 for an early Diablo and they've
54:34
doubled since then. Now my pick for a car to buy
54:38
today is an F355 Spyder because an F355 Spyder is half the price
54:47
of a coupe or a Targa and there's no reason for that.
54:52
They were the most expensive variant when new.
54:55
It's an unbelievable car. I love the Spyder.
54:59
The, you know, I think it's undervalued, especially compared
55:03
to the other variants. So I think that's a car that you
55:07
could buy, enjoy. And yeah, they're expensive to
55:11
maintain, but not as bad as everyone thinks.
55:14
And I think they'll hold their value or go up.
55:17
I don't see them going down. Yeah, yeah, it's a hell of a lot
55:19
of car. They're still quick, you know,
55:21
but we're kind of like post acceleration, I feel like in
55:23
2025, right? But it's still 400 horsepower.
55:26
You know how the car. I agree, but cars still need to
55:31
be fast enough. Once they're in the box of fast
55:34
enough, they're fun. They're great.
55:36
But if if they're not, they're just not that fun.
55:39
So like like a Ferrari 3O8I, the fuel injected car that didn't
55:46
have carbs, like they're they're just not that fun because
55:50
they're not because they're just too slow.
55:52
Yeah, yeah. It's a good gateway Ferrari
55:56
though. Yeah, true and.
55:58
They're stunningly beautiful. Yeah, that's the that's.
56:01
The thing, but well, sure, all right.
56:04
For those of us listening who live in the state of Colorado,
56:09
what are some of your favorite roads?
56:10
Where are you go to's without giving too much away?
56:17
There's a road that used to be called Squaw Pass.
56:21
They changed the name it's, I think called Mistahi.
56:26
I believe that's correct. Pronounce the new name.
56:29
That's how I would say it, yeah. Yeah, drove me yesterday.
56:33
Sounds like that story. There.
56:34
So when you're, when you. Drive.
56:36
That road, it's twisty, curvy it, it's not a road that really
56:41
goes anywhere. And so there's almost never
56:45
traffic. And then there's parts that open
56:48
up and we have views of snow capped mountains even in the
56:51
summer. And you know, if you were just
56:55
transported onto that road and you didn't know you were in the
56:59
US and someone said, oh, you're in the Swiss Alps, you'd be
57:01
like, okay, I guess I am. You know, it.
57:03
It's that stunningly beautiful. So that that's a a favorite
57:07
because it's also so close too. It's not like you got to drive
57:10
hours to even get to this road. Yeah.
57:13
So that's where I wanted to take you And and.
57:15
Tori, sorry for the interruption.
57:16
This is where I wanted to take you and Tori while you're here
57:18
for lunch. I'm like, we've got 3 hours, we
57:20
can do it. We can come back.
57:21
Also, screw the pizza, you know it's so good.
57:24
Well, I mean, Colorado does. Have some amazing roads.
57:27
There was a road that we ended up driving on the Kansas City to
57:30
Seattle trip. It was like through a gorge
57:32
outside of Vail. I'm still dreaming about that
57:35
road. Oh, Glenwood Springs, it's
57:36
probably. Just on the I-70 even, right?
57:39
Yes, best stretch. Of Interstate in the country.
57:41
Right, Brian, That's epic. Gorgeous.
57:45
And it is. It's fun.
57:48
No, it's awesome. So, so if you're willing to
57:51
drive further out of town, out of Denver, Independence Pass,
57:56
McClure Pass, there's all these unbelievable roads.
58:01
But but that first Rd. we were talking about that.
58:04
What's so magical is it's. It's close.
58:07
Yeah. Yeah.
58:08
So you. Get all of the magic of these
58:10
further afield roads but close to town?
58:13
No, some of those. Further ones are are even more
58:16
amazing, but I know but they're five hours.
58:18
Away for us in the Denver, unfortunately.
58:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We'll hit some of those on the
58:23
grand. This year for sure.
58:25
But anyway. But well, we're at an hour.
58:28
Is that a show? Have we covered everything?
58:30
This has been a great show, covered so much.
58:33
Yeah, great. And, you know, I look forward to
58:35
another drive with you and check Autoblog for the article on
58:40
Brian's career. GT should be out, I think, by
58:42
Monday. We'll see.
58:43
Yeah. Visit Starbuds if you are, I
58:45
guess, in Colorado or one of the other five states.
58:48
And you've got something else called Caviar, too.
58:51
Yeah, yeah, I do. So that's my other.
58:52
Brand we didn't even talk about, but it's it's a premium cannabis
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product sold not just at Starbucks, but but all over.
59:02
It's been awesome. It's really fun talking to you.
59:05
I look forward to more driving, more track days, more car stuff.
59:09
You know, it's it's been great. Always more car stuff, right?
59:13
Awesome. Yeah, for sure.
59:15
Well, Brian, thank. You.
59:16
So much, Lindsay, great to see you Dan, wherever you are.
59:19
I hope you're having a great night.
59:20
Just a quick reminder to follow us on YouTube, follow us on
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59:35
Hell of a guy. Thank you very much for joining
59:37
us tonight on that car show. Right.
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Thank you and remember always. Be driving.