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#205: Spiral (2021) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello, What's your least favorite scary movie?
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Jigsaw Copycat. This shit's going to go sideways
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fast. Welcome to watch your least
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favorite scary Movie, the podcast where we talk about.
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Why did I say it like that? You're also doing like the
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little like, yeah, yeah. Thank you, thank you.
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Welcome to watch your Least favorite Scary Movie, The
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podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly, and the
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absurd, and all of our favorite. And least favorite.
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Scary movies. Because we believe every horror
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movie rightfully has its fan base.
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Even if we don't always get. It my name is Travis.
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My name is messy and I'm leaving that entire dumpster fire in for
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everyone. The people need to know, yeah.
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Yeah, everybody needs to know that you shimmied a little bit
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when you're in the opening. Yeah, I can't help it.
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You know why? Why?
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Cuz I'm so excited to talk about Spiral.
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I get some SAW action and I get Sam Jackson.
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I know this is probably the only time it's going to happen in
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this podcast. It's it's amazing.
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I think we have to take a moment to appreciate that and we have
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both Chris Rock and Sam Jackson in a movie, a horror movie, on
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this. Live in a world where it is on
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celluloid, Samuel L Jackson saying, oh, you want to play a
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game, motherfucker. It's amazing.
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It's We deserve this. The Saw series deserved this.
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Yeah, yeah, they earned it. OK, I don't have any
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announcement. Oh, I do have an announcement.
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Looking at the schedules through my through mail this Sunday.
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To be or not to be? Oh yeah, it is.
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Isn't and it's actually going to be my pick.
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And we realized that we done goofed up a a Ron because Travis
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picked two months in a row. So guess what that means?
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I'm picking this month and I'm picking our Prom movie.
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Shit, that is going to be a prom one, isn't it?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So be on the lookout for that on Sunday.
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Yeah. All right.
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Poll results. All right, Yeah, poll results.
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So last week we talked about Predator, and I just wanted to
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know what was the best line from the movie.
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Only had four options, obviously, since, you know,
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that's the limit. So it was get to the Choppa.
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I ain't got time to bleed. You're one ugly motherfucker.
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And if it bleeds, we can kill it.
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OK, so over on Twitter, 27% voted for Get to the Choppa.
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33%. I ain't got time to bleed 20%.
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You're one ugly motherfucker. 20% If it bleeds, we can kill
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it. Over on Instagram. 35% get to
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the chopper. 47% I ain't got time to bleed 12% You're one
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ugly motherfucker. And 6%?
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If it bleeds, we can kill it. I kind of agree with the people
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here. I ain't got time to bleed.
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It's one of the most badass. Things ever it's.
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So fucking good. I you know what, you're in that
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situation, no, you do not have time to.
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Bleed. I ain't got time to bleed.
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Do you not have time? But you do have time to duck.
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Do you you? Did.
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I think so. OK, cool.
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So that was her poll. Yeah.
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Yeah. All right.
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So now we're going to talk about Spiral from the Book of Saw.
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Banana, Banana. This released May 14th, 2021
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wide release. We watched it on our fork and
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our Blu-ray, because the fork just gave up, died.
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It's straight up died. We've had issues with it in the
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past. I remember and it always it
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craps out at the scene where he's doing the raid and the drug
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dealers apart. Yeah, yeah, when he's at the
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meth dealer. It just straighten.
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The leg it. Cut it just stopped working.
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I can't even get it to load the disk anymore, so I popped in the
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Blu-ray and we finished the rest that way.
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Yeah, but if you don't have an option for a fork or a Blu-ray,
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currently it's streaming on Hulu.
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Hulu. Hulu It's streaming on a Hulu
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Hulu TV. Yeah, I knew what I knew what
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was. Happening there Sling TV Premium
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and YouTube TV Premium, it's. Just sufficient so you're just
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saving time. Everybody knows.
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Them all at once. You can also rent it from Prime,
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Google Play, YouTube or Fandango at home.
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OK. Written by Heroes in Our House,
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Josh Stolberg and Pete Goldfinger.
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Yes, directed by Darren Lindbausmann.
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Music by Charlie Klauser. And there were so many people on
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the special effects team and the makeup artist.
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I've got Patrick Baxter, Tracy Louder and there's like too many
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people involved with the prosthetics.
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But once again we do have returning as the head for the
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prosthetics. Francois Desjunay.
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Yeah, they mentioned we were watching a little bit of the
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behind the scenes stuff there, but some of the people working
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on this have been working on it as far back as soft too.
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Yeah. So it's like a very tight knit.
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Yeah, little. Project here.
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And there are just, there are so many prosthetics involved and
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they had a ton of people that were doing the prosthetics,
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doing the molding. It just, I wouldn't be able to
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list out all of the names. Yes.
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All practical too, Yeah. No.
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CG for this. Yeah, when the tongue trap,
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actually. Sorry Cutting This was really
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cool. They made a tongue mold for him
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and he was biting down on it with his real mouth.
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There was a lot of cool things with that scene.
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Yeah, I want to break that down when.
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We get to that, OK? Starring Chris Rock as Deke
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Banks, Samuel L Jackson as Marcus Banks, Max Minghella as
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William Shank and Marisol Nichols is Angie Garza.
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Nice. Nice.
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Nice. All right, Travis, time for our
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favorite game budget or bug Ted. This is definitely gonna be
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budget because they got like some names behind at this time,
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so they were probably able to command a little bit more money
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than a normal Saw movie I would guess.
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You are in fact correct. This is a $20 million budget.
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Nice. That's like double the normal
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saw budget. Yeah well they they rude the day
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cause the opening box office was 8.7 million and the worldwide
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gross was 40.6 million. However, I do need to remind
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everybody. Big fat asterisk there.
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It released right when theaters were starting to show movies
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again and people were still nervous.
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We were still nervous. This was actually our first
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movie that we saw in theaters after the lockdowns.
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Yeah, there's a picture of the two of us, plus my mom wearing
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masks in the movie theater. Like first movie back.
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Yeah. It was it was a weird time,
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yeah. It's kind of weird to think,
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Would you say? Perhaps that the time was
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unprecedented. Unprecedented times.
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You know what? That's great.
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Let's start putting in all of the marketing regarding this
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weird event that's happening. Yeah.
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OK, and it has a 5.2 out of 10 on IMDb.
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Yeah, that's not too bad. I mean, I mean, it could be a
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lot better. But you still got to remember
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this is a horror movie. That's true.
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All right, I pulled 3 movies again.
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It's not, it's not my most creative theme.
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There were a lot of movies in 2021 because there were a lot of
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movies that got pushed back. Yeah, I just I went with sequels
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slash reboots. I have a film, Howling Kills is
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gonna be on here isn't? It I thought about it and then I
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didn't really 'cause we tend to throw that one out for a lot of
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2021, that's true. So I I went a different route.
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All right. Well, I'm still intrigued.
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Let's let's hear it. The first one is Don't breathe
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2. I still have not seen that.
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One haven't seen it, there's no wallows in it so.
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Is that really the the walls or we walk?
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Well, you know, after you see the Turkey baster in the first
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one, it's hard to have any trust in a movie.
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I mean, it's not just that. It's just like, I didn't really
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feel like that one needed a sequel.
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Yeah. And like, I know that I am a
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sucker for a lot of movies. I don't need sequels.
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But that one especially, I just just like.
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I don't know, like it's kind of like a quiet place to like you
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didn't find the first time just. Yeah yeah, that released August
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13th, 2021. I couldn't find a budget on it,
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but it did have a worldwide gross of 53,000,000.
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OK And it has a six point O out of 10 on IMDb.
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So people liked it. OK, you know who didn't like
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this? Next one I'm gonna talk about.
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Who? Both of us. 2021 that we didn't
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like. It's a recall.
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It's a recall fuck I feel like I got.
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I feel like I should know this. Wrong turn.
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That was really 2021. Why do I feel like that was a
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pre COVID movie? I don't know, that's weird.
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It released February 26th, 2021. Couldn't find a budget on it.
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It's got a worldwide gross of 4.8 million and an IMDb score of
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5.6 out of 10. Yeah, that's the bizarre part
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right there, the 5.6 out of 10. Here's the thing.
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For a movie to qualify as a wrong term movie, it is not
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necessarily sufficient, but it is necessary for there to be
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both hooting and hollering. You need both.
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And it is not present in this one.
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Yeah, I don't even think bows and arrows are either.
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Yeah, I don't. Think.
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It's it's rude. It's very rude.
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It's disrespectful, Yeah, And I know it's.
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Disrespectful to such a look. Proud legacy.
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I I understand. It's the guy that created the
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original. But still, like, you can still
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disrespect your own ship. Yeah, don't do that to yourself,
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dude. Yeah, listen to the way I talk
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about myself. Yeah.
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OK. And the third one, NIA Da
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Costa's Candyman. OK.
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And I always feel the need to say NIA Da Costa's a lot of
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people. Don't you mean Jordan Pills
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Candyman, He totally made that movie.
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They they just needed to slap his name on there because
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everybody's like, oh, Jordan Peele.
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Yeah. Yeah, I get it.
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It sucks for her to like. Yeah, but that's why I like, I
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want her name out there. Yeah, for sure.
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That was released August 27th, 2021.
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We also saw this one in theaters.
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I remember budget of 22 million and a worldwide gross of 77
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million, a 5.9 out of 10 on IMDb.
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That was a good one. I liked it a lot.
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I remember liking. It it was.
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It was really good, yeah. So I and I want to talk about
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those movies in full at some point on the show.
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I would like to Awesome, yeah. OK.
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Are you ready to be a little bummed out?
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Sure. There's only one tagline.
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There's only one. Only one.
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Is it from the book of Saw? No.
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Is that part of the title? I think it's technically part of
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the title. I don't.
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Nobody ever says it. It's not listed that way on
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IMDb. Yeah, discover a new chapter.
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That's so way, man. Come on.
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There's like, there's tons of potential here.
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You could have done something with Sam Jackson.
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I agree. I agree.
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OK, so obviously this movie was originally scheduled to premiere
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in May 2020, so it was always going to be a Mother's Day
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movie. Weird, but I suppose if you're
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trying to take the franchise in a new direction.
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It's Mother's Day itself. So Chris Rock, the way this came
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about is that Chris Rock was at a friend's wedding in, I want to
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say it was Brazil. I didn't write it down.
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And he met a Lionsgate executive named Michael Burns.
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They started talking. He thought it would be a good
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idea to take his career, like maybe in a horror direction.
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He hadn't done that before, wanted to see what that would be
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about. And he ended up coming up with
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an idea because he's a big fan of the soft franchise basically
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since they started. That's.
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What I remember hearing that back in the time that this was
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coming out. Yeah, So he he approached
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Lionsgate. He was like, you know, I want to
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do this thing. I want to expand the franchise.
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I want it to go, you know, make it a bigger universe.
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And they really liked that idea. They struggled to find writers
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that would make a make the kind of script that they were going
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for because they really wanted to make sure that they
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incorporated humor and wit. They wanted it to be different
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than the other saws while still being faithful to the roots of
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it. And well, it just so happens
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that Josh Stolberg and Pete Goldfinger were working mana
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scripts that focused primarily on John Kramer not really paying
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attention to his his mentees. And that is an idea that would
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go on to eventually become 2023's Socks.
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So they were working on that before.
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This. Yeah, they've been working on it
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for a while, but they ended up being approached to work on
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this. They come up with about 8
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different versions of a story for it, and they ended up
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merging one of those ideas with Chris Rock's ideas.
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And yeah, and that's how they came up with the script.
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Let's see, They intentionally didn't bring Tobin Bell back,
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but there was like a lot of discussion the entire time they
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were filming. Like literally up until the last
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day of filming. Seriously.
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Yeah, cuz they were. This is the only movie in the
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entire franchise as of now that doesn't feature him in anything
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other than like photographs. Like, we don't even have his
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voice, which we almost did because they had him record a
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cover of a Johnny Cash song. Do not know which one.
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What? Yeah, And they were going to
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play that over the closing credits.
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And then Boseman was like, that's too gimmicky.
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No fucking way. Yeah, I want that.
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I love the ending song that we have on this, but like a
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fucking, like, John Cramer cover of Johnny Cash, Yeah.
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I want it. I want it.
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I want the tape. Release the mix tape.
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Yeah, release it. Go on.
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No. The way he was talking, like
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there's a lot of shit that could have went into this movie for an
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unrated cut. Give us, give us the Johnny Cash
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cut. That's.
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What we're gonna do? Give us the cash cut?
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Yeah, that's Wilder than them wanting to mix his blood into
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the posters. Look, people, we can do this.
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They did it with the Snyder cut. We can make this.
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Happen give us the cash cut. They also had considered doing a
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post credit scene with him mentoring like a child.
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William. I forget what his like actual
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last name is, but Shank. Yeah yeah, they had considered
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like showing them meeting up and him teaching him like starting
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to take him under his wing, but they ultimately decided against
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that too because they really wanted this to be an actual
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copycat. For that same reason, they
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didn't use Billy the Puppet. Like that.
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Which was kind of a thing, too for Tobin Bell.
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He was like, you know, if Billy's there, I kind of really
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want to be there. Like oh.
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Did he? Want to?
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Be part of it. He He actually, I guess was
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talking about maybe like an origin with where Billy the
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puppet came about. Oh, really?
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Yeah. And they, you know, so they
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replaced him with Mr. Snuggles and that is that is the pig
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puppet's official name is Mr. Snuggles.
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Fun fact, that's also the nickname for all of our pets.
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Yeah, especially Scout. They also wanted to not use his
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voice because they felt that it was too iconic and all of the
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tapes. So they struggled really hard to
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find a voice to do for those tapes.
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And it was like up until like 2 days before they were done with
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the sound mixing that they actually found a voice that they
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were going to use. Isn't that weird?
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Like, I feel like I made that exact voice whenever I edited
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yours on the last episode. Well, and that's The thing, is
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that they ended up just using computer editing.
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I did it in like 5 seconds. Yeah, like it was easy.
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Lynn Bozeman swore that he would never direct another soft film
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After Software, but Chris Rock was adamant that he had to be
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the one to direct, and Bozeman actually turned down an
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opportunity to direct a Broadway show to come back for this.
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I mean, if Chris Rock is like, hey man, you got to direct this
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movie for me. Like, what are you going to say?
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I mean, I would say I have 0 experience, but if you want me
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to, I will Mr. Rock. Yeah, I mean, what, you're going
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to get the blame because you're the one that asked me, but like,
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fuck yeah, I'm going to do it. The.
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Blame would go on me for sure, so.
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And then finally, the principal photography did take place in
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Toronto from July 8th, 2019 to August 28th, 2019.
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OK. So those are generally my fun.
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Facts. Very cool.
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There's this is this is an interesting little one.
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I'm really happy that they went with the direction of doing the
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copycat. Yes, I think that that was I.
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So we just we didn't need another one of his like what do
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we call them. They're not mentees.
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There's a different term that a lot of apprentice, apprentice.
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We didn't need another apprentice story like it was
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getting a little bit like recycle.
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It's just it'd be funny if they like, they hyped up like the
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replacement in the last one and then then in the next one
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they're like and here's another like.
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Yeah, it's like we just completely ignored that, which I
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mean, we did anyway, but it would have been weirder if we
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went straight into another Apprentice story.
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OK, well, I guess this is a good segue into our good, bad, ugly
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and absurd. Starting with the.
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Good. OK.
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Well, I I mean, yeah, I like the different feel that this one has
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to. It's kind of a fresh take on the
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series, which I appreciate. Like this is what movie?
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What this is 9? Yeah, this is the 9th and saw
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ninth, yeah. Like, you know, it's nice to
17:13
shake it up a little bit. Like I've been saying for like
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the past few movies we've covered, like let's move on from
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Tofin a little bit. Like, I know he's iconic, but
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you can't keep going back in time.
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You just keep finding ways to flashback with him.
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And that was one of the things that I was reading too, is that
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they're like, you know, I keep doing flashbacks with him and
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maybe, you know, especially if we're trying to make it
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definitively like not a sequel, not a reboot, like, why don't we
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just, you know, not? It would be great.
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And like, The thing is, like all of the stuff that happened in
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those movies is a very tight timeline, and you're jamming all
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of this shit that he did in such a short amount of time.
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Like, it's gonna be excessive once you get to a certain point.
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But then again, it's a fucking movie.
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You don't have to really take it that seriously.
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Oh, but people do, but people do.
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But no, I really enjoyed the take on this.
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I liked the copycat aspects. I liked that.
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We went back to it being like a cop type thing, like the
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original movie. Yeah, I really.
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I do think it's funny because we were all like, my mom was here
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watching it with us, and when they're like jigsaws, never
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targeted cops before. We all went liar.
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Like that's like, yeah, there's a whole thing with that.
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I mean, it's like rig, you know what I mean?
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But then again, you could say that that was Hoffman.
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So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, they just they
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cops have been targets of Jigsaw since the he's never exclusively
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targeted them. But yeah, no, the cops have
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always been a target. That's another thing that I like
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about this. I like that they and they
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applied it to like a one area, so like a corrupt Police
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Department, rather than just taking like drug addicts and
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people like down on their luck doing bad shit to get by like
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this. I'm like, OK, these are like,
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objectively, like terrible people.
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People that have made conscious decisions to be horrible to
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other people. Yeah, when they're like, they're
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expected to use that power for what should be good.
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But here's a bunch of people that are just a bunch of like,
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terrible people. I I just, I don't know.
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I like that they like actually, like use it towards because I
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mean, like, that's cool. You know what I mean?
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Like that's cool that you get somebody like, I mean, it's like
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it's fucked up that like they're targeting corrupt police.
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But it's still an interesting take.
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But also, I think it's kind of really awesome for this movie
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that they talked about this in such a popular franchise at a
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time that this was such such a talking point in general for
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people. I'm not saying that this is the
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first time police have ever, you know, targeted citizens, but it
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you know it, it definitely reached ahead right around 2020.
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It's like really interesting too, that they filmed it in 2019
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and then the following year that you had like the whole George
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Floyd thing, and then that was such a huge thing about police
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brutality and it just kind of came out at the right time.
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But I mean, that had been happening for years and I don't
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want to. Make a.
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Leap in an assumption. I feel like he probably brought
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the idea of like him being a detective because I feel like
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just something about me about seeing him just makes me think
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he probably is like, yeah, I want to be a cop.
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Like I want to like play a cop on screen because it's just kind
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of fun. Like he wanted the shades in the
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cool car and stuff like that, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, no. Chris Rock definitely strikes me
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as a nerd. Yeah.
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Definitely, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's like my
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main good stuff there. I mean, there's a lot of good
20:46
stuff. Like I like the Traps one this
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one too. But that's kind of like, yeah,
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most Saw movies. Yeah, I'm going to say for me
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that I, you know, besides the stuff I was trimming in with
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you, I I like that they kept the the soap opera Ness.
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Yeah, that, you know, came to be expected with the later saw
21:08
entries. I like that.
21:08
They didn't shy away from that. They kept it as dramatic.
21:12
I love the odes to the backwards baseball cap with added giant
21:17
mustache. I know.
21:19
I feel like they leaned into it with that.
21:21
And it's great. There's no way that Chris Rock
21:24
wasn't like, let's put backwards baseball cap on me.
21:26
He's a fan. An admitted fan of the series,
21:29
he probably laughed his ass off when he saw that.
21:31
Oh my God. I want.
21:33
I want to do a scene where I get one, too, and Sam Jackson's
21:36
like, give me a mustache, motherfucker.
21:42
Yeah. So I I I like that you can tell
21:45
that this was made with an appreciation for the movies and
21:47
they definitely tried to make it their own.
21:50
Also, they it looks very intentional that they were going
21:53
to try and do it differently. So that way it could be its own
21:58
thing but also be enough of the DNA of the franchise that it
22:03
firmly belongs unlike say wrong turn.
22:07
Yeah. Exactly.
22:08
I'm also in the same tune as that.
22:11
I like the new puppet because I like that they made a pig.
22:15
Yeah, and like, it takes that thing, you know, from from the
22:20
original John Kramer's whole Zodiac year of the pig thing,
22:24
and it applies it. To the cops, he's like a pig.
22:27
Yeah, it's so perfect to do it that way.
22:30
And the way like they do the, the mirror imaging, you know in
22:33
that one video they got Mr. Snuggles lift up the gun towards
22:36
the camera. The way they do that with Marcus
22:39
at the end, it's it's just it's great.
22:40
It's little touches like that are great.
22:42
Yeah, for sure. Why?
22:43
I'm glad they brought Marcus, Marcus, Darren Lynn Bozeman
22:46
back. Yeah, definitely.
22:47
Yeah. OK, We done with the goods.
22:51
I think so. OK, so on to the Bats.
22:53
Well, I like Chris Rock, but I don't think that his acting
22:57
suits this type of movies too well.
22:59
I appreciate him wanting to branch out and do, like a
23:01
different type of thing. But, like, he just didn't really
23:05
like, he's trying to do, like, serious wine delivery.
23:08
And it's hard to take him seriously because he's, you
23:10
know, like a comedian And a lot of his delivery of wines.
23:14
Like, I don't know. It's just kind of hard to take
23:17
certain things seriously. Like whenever he's talking about
23:19
like, divorce and shit like that, like, I don't know, he's
23:22
joking around. Like it's hard to tell when he's
23:24
joking, when he's being serious and when he is acting serious.
23:27
It's never exactly like it's not like a compelling performance.
23:31
Yeah, I don't know if it's his performance or if it's those
23:34
specific lines of dialogue, or if it's every time he's supposed
23:38
to be looking serious. They do those like shaky Cam
23:40
cuts, except they kind of stabilize his face almost in the
23:43
middle of it it. Keep this clear.
23:47
Yeah. So I I don't know which one of
23:49
those, but yeah, I see what you're saying.
23:51
Yeah, I just he's, I appreciate it.
23:53
I like when people try and go out of, you know, their
23:56
typecasts and you know, especially like if you if I was
24:00
able to like get myself into a Saw movie like he did, I would
24:04
absolutely do it too. Even if I if I had no and I
24:07
don't have any business being in the Saw movie, but I would still
24:10
do it. Yeah.
24:12
If somebody was like, yeah, do you want to be a producer?
24:14
I'm like, only if I can also be in it.
24:16
And they're like, well, OK, you're a producer, I guess you
24:21
have the right to do that. And the only other thing is, I
24:25
feel like this series is so good with twists, but this one I
24:29
called it right when we were watching it in the theatre.
24:32
You're like. Well, 'cause they don't show his
24:35
trap. Exactly.
24:36
Like, they skip over his and it's like, yeah, of course he's
24:40
going to be responsible and he just mysteriously disappears.
24:44
That doesn't fucking happen. They show it all the time.
24:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Twist wasn't really that
24:49
great. Yeah.
24:50
And he's not exactly like an ideal, you know, copycat guy, I
24:58
guess. I don't know.
24:59
I kind of. I loved his, like, unhinged
25:01
monologue when he was talking about his like taking down the
25:04
system. We're applying the spiral, the
25:05
evolution. We're taking it instead of to a
25:07
person, we're taking it systemically.
25:09
Like I I love the way he was going.
25:10
About I really appreciate that. It's like a radicalized like,
25:13
yeah, like I'm trying to like, he's trying to do something
25:15
good, but he's doing it in the worst possible way.
25:17
Yeah. Yeah.
25:18
Like, it's kind of cool. Like, I like that.
25:20
But just. I don't know.
25:23
I think maybe some tweaks. We could have had like a really
25:25
interesting character here. But he's just kind of like a yes
25:27
man. And then he's just kind of like
25:30
gone, you know, like, yeah, I don't know.
25:34
Yeah, I don't. I think it would have been
25:36
better if him and Chris Rock had better chemistry when they were
25:41
together, but you could tell that they like.
25:45
We don't get that moment of them really, truly starting to bond.
25:50
It just goes from them hating each other to.
25:53
Tolerating. Yeah.
25:54
Well, it's kind of written in a way where it seems like it's
25:57
supposed to be like they're actually becoming close and
26:01
respecting each other. But I don't really feel like I
26:03
truly get that. Yeah.
26:05
So I don't know. I feel like it would have been
26:06
cool to, like, have better chemistry or like, you know,
26:10
show them getting closer a little bit more or something.
26:12
You know, like, 'cause it would have made the twist a little bit
26:14
more impactful. OK, I guess this is kind of an
26:18
extension of some of what you were saying, but I think that
26:21
the the flashbacks weren't effective because they were just
26:26
done in such a way. It felt very like ABC Family,
26:30
teen drama, mystery. Like we're getting this bit of a
26:34
flashback and the next time we see most of that, but we add 30
26:37
seconds to it. Like, yeah, I don't.
26:41
It's like they. Felt it feels like it's spoon
26:43
feeding us a little bit too much, which is not what we come
26:45
to the soft franchise for. Like we yeah, we want those
26:48
hints and bits and pieces, but it's like very like, ha ha,
26:51
here's the connection. Exactly, yeah.
26:53
You want to be able to piece it together and be like, oh, it
26:56
makes sense. Yeah, just they needed to just
26:58
pull back a little bit. It just felt like they're like,
27:00
it's a song movie. We got to have at least like 10
27:02
flashbacks minimum, right? Yeah.
27:04
So they're like, let's just keep adding on to the same flashback.
27:06
Yeah, that's that's. The thing is that the flashbacks
27:09
weren't always adding any everything to the story.
27:13
So yeah. OK, OK.
27:16
I mean, I feel like the ugly is pretty obvious in this movie,
27:18
you know, the police brutality and corruption and shit like
27:21
that. Yeah, it's it's very like
27:25
Article 8. Was it?
27:26
Yeah. Is that was that a real thing?
27:28
I don't know. I'm.
27:29
Going to look that. High.
27:30
Yeah. I really don't know.
27:32
Yeah, because I'm. I'm curious because, like, it's
27:35
like the whole reason why every cop is such a bad person in this
27:39
area apparently. So you can go ahead and go with
27:42
ears. I'm going to type this up real
27:43
quick. Yeah, I I think for me that it,
27:47
you know, on top of, you know, the whole police brutality thing
27:51
we've got the the way Banks Zeke, Chris Rock's character,
27:57
the way he generally talks about marriage and women.
28:01
And like, I get it. He's bitter.
28:03
But, like, it feels overly generalized.
28:07
I do like that they also write in Shank being like, well, maybe
28:11
maybe you're getting divorced because women don't like being
28:13
called bitches. Like, I do like that line being
28:16
thrown in. But it is, it's just a lot.
28:18
And yeah, again, I feel like there's a better way to
28:21
demonstrate somebody going through some shit besides just
28:24
being slammed in the face by all of this.
28:25
You know what I mean? It's.
28:26
The same thing with, like any gender, like saying like, men or
28:29
women are terrible just because you've had a bad experience with
28:32
them. Yeah, you know what I mean?
28:33
Like, nobody likes it. It's kind of, yeah.
28:35
It's not exactly a good look. Yeah.
28:38
OK, so apparently, like Archway was like a thing for the movie.
28:43
I think because I I looked it up and I don't really think that it
28:45
was a real thing, that it just brought me something about
28:49
India. And I'm like, that doesn't apply
28:51
to Sawville. I don't believe, unless Sawville
28:53
may be in India. I mean, we don't.
28:55
We we do know, but we don't know.
28:58
You know what I mean? So yeah, I don't know.
29:01
OK, OK. Absurd.
29:04
Let's. See I have.
29:07
I like at the very beginning we just get Chris Rock doing stand
29:12
up about Forrest Gump. I feel like this is like a bit
29:14
from his stand up routine or? Something bit that every like in
29:19
cell on the Internet has said at one point or the other like it's
29:22
not I. Think it goes in line with his
29:24
character. I get that it goes in line with
29:26
his character, but it's just like, God, I'm so sick of people
29:29
being like, here's the thing about Forrest Gump, like they're
29:33
giving some brand new information.
29:34
I do like his delivery of it. It's funny.
29:37
Yeah, I'm actually laughing at it.
29:38
He's a funny guy, that's what I'm saying.
29:39
Like when he delivers these types of lines, like it just
29:41
felt like him doing stand up. It does feel like I'm doing
29:44
stand up. I just, you know, wish he used
29:47
something newer. You know what I mean?
29:50
Like something a little bit more creative?
29:51
The first line we get from him is Tom Hanks is a straight pimp.
29:55
Like, come on, it's great, but it's absurd at the same time.
30:00
And we've already talked about it, But the Zeke backwards cap
30:04
and mustache? They gave him the mustache and
30:06
the cap. And then Sam Jackson.
30:08
Oh, he got a goatee. Oh, he got the goatee.
30:10
Yeah, he got the Kramer goatee and Cap.
30:12
Yeah, it's it's just so stupid. I love that they embraced it,
30:16
though, and leaned into it, because you know that they did.
30:19
Absolutely. My absurd God, you took all of
30:27
the good absurds. How about the fact that they had
30:31
a fucking trap in the basement of the Police Department?
30:36
That's pretty intense. That's how I listen.
30:40
I'll defend most of these traps. Unless maybe a lot of people
30:44
hate the finger traps. Like he could just get out of
30:46
the top. I'm like, did you take a look at
30:48
the top? He could not.
30:49
He absolutely could not just stand out of the top.
30:52
The walls are too high like and. It dragged him like, up into the
30:55
thing, yeah. Yeah, I I don't get how her
31:00
severing her spinal cord was going to stop the machine.
31:02
Like we don't see a button or anything that would like,
31:05
trigger the thing to stop dripping the wax on her.
31:07
Yeah, I don't really. Unless it's like the draw some
31:12
blood and then I'll set you free, Buckethead.
31:15
Trap. Like, yeah, like watching.
31:16
Except we know for a fact that he wasn't because he ran out and
31:20
stabbed at that other cop to distract them.
31:22
So Angie would be in the trap. That's true.
31:25
That's true. So we we don't know what's we we
31:28
don't know what's going on. Yeah, I don't know.
31:31
So yeah, that's I will have all of the disbelief in the world
31:38
for these movies, but that one I just, I want.
31:40
I need a tiny bit more. Yeah, yeah.
31:43
A little bit more. Yeah.
31:45
OK. So what are you rating it?
31:47
Despite most people's opinion on this, I really like this one.
31:52
I think it's a really good movie.
31:54
I'm gonna give it an 8. An 8?
31:56
Yeah. OK, I'm gonna give it a 7 1/2
31:59
OK, I agree. I don't think that this movie
32:02
deserves the hate that it gets. It is different.
32:05
It's meant to be different. And I don't think the traps are
32:08
as implausible as they're they're not outside of the realm
32:12
of plausibility compared to other SAW movies.
32:14
Let's not. Let's not act like that.
32:16
So it is kind of interesting. Like I I always have to remind
32:20
myself I have to turn my brain off.
32:22
But yeah, every single one of these people are just so like
32:25
genius engineers that can design this shit, you know what I mean?
32:28
Yeah. Like, it's kind of And this guy
32:30
was poor, like, you know what I mean?
32:32
Like his family was not. He wants his dad as a child and
32:36
they were not living in like a good like a very well.
32:40
Yeah, Dad was like a janitor maybe.
32:42
He was. Wearing like a yeah, that type
32:44
of you. Know, it's like an apartment,
32:46
you know? And it wasn't like a swanky
32:48
apartment or anything. So, like, I know he didn't come
32:50
from money. So, like, I don't know how he
32:52
was able to get all this shit, but I don't know.
32:55
Whatever. Yeah, you got to turn off your
32:57
brain. All right, All right.
32:59
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Right, so we start off out of Carnival.
36:00
How fun, how festive, how scary. Because there's fucking
36:04
fireworks going on. Don't want any part of that. 4th
36:06
of July, right? I'm pretty sure it's. 4th of
36:09
July, Yeah, it's it's definitely July.
36:12
Or it could be whatever holiday Saville chooses to celebrate,
36:15
you know, their own independence from the world.
36:18
Is there Independence from John Kramer?
36:21
Oh my God, they probably. Would have a whole parade just
36:24
for that. What if Jeff?
36:28
If slow ass motherfucking Jeff wasn't dead like they would,
36:31
he'd be the king of the parade. Which is perfect because parades
36:35
move so slow. I feel like he would be like
36:38
even slower for the parade though.
36:39
Like maybe he like leads and he walks at the front of it, but he
36:42
like stops and just like check out random shoot.
36:46
OK, so yeah, we got out of cop. He's walking around, patrolling
36:51
he's. I mean, he's dressed kind of
36:54
spiffy and he's in his nice little white Sport coat with a
36:57
little pork pie hat, like. Is that what those are called?
36:59
I was going to say he's got one of those nice little hats.
37:00
Yeah, I don't know if it's a pork pie, if it's a strap.
37:02
I don't know what exactly what it is, but he's he's feeling
37:04
himself. Yeah, it's it's like almost a
37:06
top hat, but not, yeah. I mean, he sees a pickpocket,
37:09
still a purse from a lady, which is a pretty massive pickpocket.
37:13
And I You know what though? I like that he chases after
37:16
because he could have been like, I'm plainclothes, they don't
37:19
know I'm a cop, yeah. Exactly.
37:21
And also it's they're all kind of corrupt here.
37:26
So he could have used me, Just kind of.
37:28
So he chases this person, and this person is going into the
37:30
sewer through a main hole. But somebody sets off like, like
37:38
firecrackers or something at his feet and he turns around and
37:41
points his gun at the firecrackers.
37:42
And I'm like, where are you? Are you gonna shoot the
37:44
fireworkers? That's just fireworkers.
37:46
Fireworks. It's just like the cop, you
37:49
know? Like that's the instinct.
37:51
Just like something happens gun. It just makes me think of the
37:55
office or and he's like the fire is shooting at us.
37:58
And he could have thought it was shooting like, I don't know.
38:00
I've never been in a moment where I've had a gun, and that's
38:03
happened to me. I don't know how it would react.
38:06
He gets down into the tunnel. He sees a mannequin, but he
38:10
doesn't realize it's a mannequin at 1st.
38:11
And once that realization hits him, we keep a saw.
38:16
Classic. Yeah, a good old fashioned pig
38:19
napping. Good.
38:20
Old cube. A cube.
38:21
A pig napping. OK, so this is cool.
38:27
You got some things to talk about this scene because we
38:29
watched the special features where they, Darren Lynn Bozeman
38:32
went down on like a deep dive of how this was all.
38:35
Done. He wanted to film this in an
38:37
actual subway track. And they were like, no, for
38:41
about 20 different reasons, too expensive to close down a
38:45
subway. There's the issue of the third
38:49
rail. So we don't wanna kill our
38:51
actors, you know, just we can't. We can't do it.
38:55
And he was like, it's really important though that we have
38:57
this as this first scene. This is how the trap has been
39:01
envisioned. So he convinced them to build a
39:04
subway station. However, they only built half of
39:08
it, and honestly, not even really half because a lot of it
39:12
is Looney Tune style painting on a wall.
39:15
It was so cool. So like that down stretch
39:18
through the tunnel where you see the train coming later.
39:20
That's all of them just painting that there.
39:22
Yeah, they just use forced perspective to trick your brain
39:25
into thinking that that's actually a tunnel.
39:27
Yeah, yeah. And they only did one side of
39:29
it. So anytime that they had to film
39:30
this, they would have to flip them back.
39:31
Whereas that way you could see the back of it.
39:33
But it's all the same shot that you're seeing the entire time.
39:36
I can tell you that they're gonna take a million different
39:38
shots from a million different angles anyway, So it it seems
39:42
like it's worth it to, you know, save the money and just turn him
39:46
around. I mean, I would have never known
39:48
until he mentioned that, that this is what they did.
39:50
'Cause I feel like subway tunnels look the same
39:53
throughout, so you wouldn't really know.
39:55
It was like repeating itself, yeah.
39:58
And this is all practical too. So he's got like a fake tongue
40:02
in his mouth there being hung. On has like taste buds and
40:05
everything. Yeah, he like did a zoom in and
40:07
just circled it. They the attention to detail is
40:10
pretty impressive with this stuff right here.
40:12
The only thing that they really, like, did digitally with this
40:15
was they had to kind of make his mouth look a little bit smaller
40:18
because obviously with his actual tongue inside it, it, you
40:22
know, kind of had some issues. And then they also had to make
40:25
the fake tongue wiggle in the vice, Yeah.
40:28
But yeah, the the tongue itself and everything, it's all and it
40:31
hanging from his mouth. That's all practical.
40:33
Yeah, it's oh God, I can't imagine this is probably also
40:35
one of the most snarly traps from this movie.
40:38
I. This movie kills me because for
40:41
most of these traps, the people are making the decision to do
40:45
the, but they do it too late. That's what happens with.
40:50
Him. Yeah.
40:50
So because he lies on witness stands and railroads, innocent
40:55
people, he's got to make the choice to rip out his tongue or
40:59
be, you know, do nothing and be hit by a subway.
41:03
So he jumps at the last second, which doesn't really do
41:06
anything. Besides, we see his tongue being
41:09
pulled out. Apparently it got cut down.
41:12
It was going to be even gnarlier than what we saw, which was
41:15
already pretty gnarly, but they filmed the whole thing when you
41:18
see like, part of his throat coming out with the tongue too.
41:21
Apparently the MPA MPAA. Yeah, yeah, they they kind of
41:25
had their fingerprints all over this movie and he kind of got
41:29
frustrated watching this stuff, talking about it.
41:31
Yeah, like one point. Like, yeah, he's like, all
41:34
right, He just walked off at the end of the special feature.
41:37
Like like. This is making me sick, he like.
41:39
Closed his iPad. He's like, bye yeah.
41:43
OK, so yeah, he bites the tongue off a little bit too late, and
41:46
then the train has something. He's dead.
41:48
Yeah, and then we cut to Chris Rock doing the world's oldest
41:52
stand up bit about Forrest Gump. And then as soon as he's done,
41:57
they pull on their balaclavas and they go bust into a drug
42:00
dealer's room. Demand all the drugs.
42:02
Demand all the money. Go down.
42:04
Get in there. Getaway car.
42:06
In a single car. Garage, apparently.
42:09
I don't know. Hotels had that either.
42:12
Yeah, but when the door lifts, it's a bunch of cops.
42:15
And they're like, oh shit. And then one of the cops is like
42:17
Zeke. Amateur moved from that cop
42:20
because, you know, he's probably undercover.
42:22
Or you. I mean you.
42:24
Maybe you caught him. Well, it's.
42:25
Something holy over there? The problem is that we cut to
42:28
Chief Angie Garza, reaming him out because this was not and
42:32
approved undercover mission. Yeah, that's kind of crazy that
42:36
he did that, that he's just like, decided one day.
42:38
He's like, yeah, I'm going to like, go undercover and just
42:40
join a gang. Yeah.
42:42
And she's like, it's been 12 years, You need to get over it,
42:44
OK? So we're going to have this
42:46
going on a lot throughout the movie.
42:48
And she's like, you're going to get partnered with a rookie,
42:51
somebody to hold you accountable.
42:53
Just because your dad was Chief Marcus fucking Banks doesn't
42:57
mean that you can do whatever you want.
42:59
So she kind of, like, yells exposition at him and at us.
43:02
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
43:04
Yeah, so, like, they just bring it up pretty much that he turned
43:07
in The Dirty cop and was punished, yeah.
43:10
So, and people are still mad about it 12 years.
43:12
Like I feel like everybody needs to move on.
43:14
She needs to not just tell him to get over it.
43:16
She's everybody. Everybody still hates him, but
43:20
he broke the code so that I guess none of them can trust him
43:23
anymore. The problem is that the cop, The
43:26
Dirty cop, broke the code first. You know, by just shooting a guy
43:29
I. I mean that could be part of cop
43:32
code. Well, yeah, because he was doing
43:34
it to protect another cop that killed another man.
43:37
It just it's a it's a cycle of cops killing civilians, killing
43:41
cops killing civilians. Yeah, it's it's just it's a
43:43
bunch of dirtiness. Right there.
43:44
Yeah, you could say it spiraled out of control.
43:48
You could say that, yes, so. Should we say it?
43:54
I think we should say it. We should.
43:55
Say that? Yeah.
43:56
OK, so they are called into a crime scene.
43:59
Immediately, well, hold on. He meets his new partner.
44:02
Yes. William Shank, which means that
44:05
as a team, they are Shank and Banks.
44:09
Shank and banks. Yeah, he's apparently a big fan
44:14
of Marcus Banks. So he says Dad's the whole
44:16
reason that he's here. Then they get a call for what
44:19
they suspect is an unhoused person that's been hit by a
44:21
train. Yeah, but when they get down
44:24
there, they're like, OK, well, first of all, here's a TV.
44:28
First of all, here's a wedding ring.
44:30
First of all, here's a Fitbit. Also, before that, that's when
44:33
they had the whole talk about, you know, the wife of like, cops
44:37
and like the cop wife. Yeah, aspect.
44:40
And we get to see that Zeke Banks don't drive a normal
44:44
patrol car. He he drives his own ride.
44:46
And you know what? Respect.
44:48
They probably took his cop car away.
44:50
Yeah, like we. Don't need you to, yeah.
44:52
You're paying for your own mileage, yeah.
44:54
Fuck you. You cover the gas cost.
44:59
And he doesn't even have sirens at top.
45:01
He's just got to get a megaphone and go woo, woo, woo, yeah,
45:07
okay. So they get back to the.
45:09
Station and there is a little gift box and it's got a flash
45:13
drive in it. There is a spiral painted and
45:18
the voice is like hinting at a jigsaw copycat.
45:21
I like how he takes it, and then he walks over to Shank's
45:24
computer and he's like, Shank's like, what are you doing?
45:26
He's like, I'm not fucking on my computer, 'cause that's being my
45:30
first slide, too. He's like this has probably got
45:31
a virus on it. Here's the thing though.
45:33
It comes across as a Dick move, but honestly it's really
45:35
pragmatic because he has been a detective there longer and he
45:39
probably actually has files that he needs, whereas Shank is the.
45:42
First day? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
45:44
That's a fresh computer. Yeah, exactly.
45:46
Like, if it's fucked up, it's not going to be that hard for
45:48
the guys in IT to, like, fix it. Yeah.
45:50
So, OK, yeah, they played the tape.
45:52
It's basically they're wanting to reform the department.
45:56
They recognize that the show was at the courthouse, so they go to
46:00
the courthouse to check it out. They find the spiral there.
46:02
Fitch shows up. He is trying to stake his claim
46:06
on this because it's it's a jigsaw copycat but there is
46:09
another gift box there and Banks is like well, I'm taking it
46:14
because it's you know it it I got the first one it was for me
46:17
so and inside is a tongue clearly had chopped off the
46:22
other little extra bit and a badge that says 4/5 three which
46:27
is Boswick's number at the station.
46:29
They're all talking about the case because it's one of their
46:31
own. They're trying to figure out
46:33
what they're going to do. Zeke is mad at Fitch because
46:35
Fitch already contacted Bosnan's widow and basically Zeke's like,
46:42
you know, he was my only friend in the department.
46:45
Like, obviously. Like it would have made more
46:49
sense for me to be. Able to Yeah, right.
46:50
And that, yeah, that actually really tracks.
46:53
I feel like he was definitely doing that to Zeke because he
46:56
didn't want Zeke to be able to do that.
46:57
Just like as an extra Fuck you. Yeah, well, 'cause they, you
47:00
know, he kind of made an allusion to the fact that he
47:03
only gets, you know, the cases that involve like unhoused
47:09
persons and you know, like it it he doesn't get these high
47:12
profile cases. Yeah, so now he's got his
47:14
chance, Yeah. And then they're trying to,
47:16
like, steal it from him here. Yeah, they give it that O'Brien
47:19
given point. So that also pisses seek off
47:21
even more. Brian O'Brien O'Connor Brian
47:23
O'Brien. And so he he storms off and
47:29
Angie follows him and takes him into the men's room, makes a
47:32
dude leave, She's like, leave. And he goes, Yep, And he stops
47:37
midstream, which led to a whole debate in our house if that's
47:39
even possible for men to do, because at 2:00 to 1:00 ratio
47:43
here, we don't. We don't know.
47:45
Yeah. So I had to be the person to
47:47
discuss that. Yeah.
47:48
And then I was like, oh, he didn't even wash his hands.
47:50
And then on the screen he goes, damn, you're not even gonna wash
47:52
your hands. For the record, you can.
47:54
I don't know. Apparently I didn't realize it
47:55
was a thing that was like, not really known, but yeah.
47:58
I hadn't really considered it. I don't know what the male
48:01
pelvic floor musculature area looks like so.
48:05
We got muscles. Got all the pee pee muscles?
48:09
What do you get me started on? Pee.
48:10
Pee muscles. OK, so he's also now gonna go
48:16
talk to boss's wife himself. Yeah, well, Angie does agree to
48:20
make him the point person, since he that should be their protocol
48:24
because he did get the case first.
48:25
Yeah. So he goes back in there and he
48:27
starts trying to give orders and nobody's listening.
48:28
And she has to step in and be like, yo, listen to him.
48:32
One of our own has been killed and we need to work together to
48:34
figure this out, right? So yeah, he makes banks change
48:37
into a suit so they can go pay respect to the widow, and then
48:39
he doesn't let banks say a word or come in.
48:42
Why did he do that? I don't understand.
48:45
He's just like here to entertain the kids.
48:47
I don't know. I don't know.
48:50
So he is there and he's asking Baz's wife if anything happened.
48:57
Yeah. And she's like, well, you know
48:58
how it is as a cop. And he goes, I know, but I need
49:00
you to really think. And she was like, well, there's
49:01
a black SUV out here about a week ago and just sitting out
49:05
front and Baz went out and started yelling at him.
49:12
So he's going to take all of his electronics and see if they can
49:16
find, and if digital forensics can find anything.
49:20
When he gets home, he feels like his apartment's been broken
49:23
into. And in a way it has, because his
49:25
dad's there and his dad's like, you pulled a gun on me.
49:29
I could have shot you. And he goes, I'm the one with
49:30
the gun. And then he pulls up a gun from
49:34
behind his whiskey glass. And that's just such a baller.
49:38
There it really is, yeah. And you know, they kind of argue
49:41
a little bit and he's like, you know how we live in the same
49:44
building and we haven't even had a meal together in a while.
49:46
They kind of bicker back and forth, and then this is kind of
49:49
like a sweet thing. Like dad doesn't want to admit
49:52
he has feelings, but he is actually paying attention to
49:54
what his son says. He goes, Listen, we'll talk
49:57
about the case over some food tomorrow night.
49:59
I mean, that's why he came down there in the 1st place, because
50:01
he knew that he was close with Baz, so we wanted to check on
50:03
him, you know, like, yeah, it was nice of him.
50:06
It was, I think, I think Zeke is at a place where he's mad at the
50:10
world and he's not. He's not trying to deal with it,
50:13
yeah. And we get a flashback as to why
50:16
he may be mad at the world. So we see Zeke encountering The
50:19
Dirty cop. We don't know his name yet, but
50:21
he shot a man because he claims he pulled a gun on him is what
50:25
this guy? I love this line delivery.
50:27
Every single time it happens, he goes.
50:29
The witness pulled a gun on you. You can read it in the cop's
50:34
face that he's full of shit, you know?
50:36
Like it's so obvious for the. So at the precinct it's a late
50:41
night. They're working on their on the
50:43
case and Shank has to borrow banks his phone because his
50:49
battery died. And once again, all things come
50:53
back to Twilight because Zeke says don't drain my battery
50:56
watching Twilight. Hey.
50:58
Shut the fuck up, Zeke. Yeah, he can drain it and watch
51:01
that if that's what he wants to. Do give the movie a chance,
51:03
Zeke. Maybe you'd be less angry at the
51:05
world if you just little little Aha.
51:07
Aha. And.
51:10
Hey, man, your whole tune changes whenever I show you a
51:13
truck. Truck.
51:14
Yeah, come on, man. Just go hang out in a in a
51:18
lavender field and circle. Absolutely ridiculous right now.
51:22
We are absolutely ridiculous. I thought that was our whole
51:24
brand. It.
51:25
Kind of is, but then just even for us, like, yeah.
51:30
OK. So yeah, they're like kind of
51:33
theorizing that there could be a John Kramer connection because
51:36
this is very John Kramer ish. Yeah, but you know, he's been
51:40
dead. A whale.
51:41
Yeah. Finch arrives at the abandoned
51:44
building. I guess he's got a lead.
51:46
So Fitch and Krauss, they went to a what is it?
51:53
They went to a pawn shop that had surveillance cameras facing
51:58
the general area of the carnivals.
51:59
So they were trying to get that footage.
52:01
He was not told to do this, cleared to do this, didn't ask
52:04
to do this. So he's kind of, they're going
52:05
rogue. He recognizes the person on
52:07
camera as one of their, like, snitches, Benny Wright, and he
52:12
knows where he hangs out. So he's going to go look for
52:15
him. And then, oh, then we kept back
52:19
to the precinct. And this is important because
52:23
Zeke sends Shank home and he calls him William.
52:27
He's like, go tuck in your kid, William.
52:30
So that's that's their turning point.
52:32
Yeah, that's when you know Oh. They're actually becoming nice.
52:35
Yeah. So yeah, we get to see Finch.
52:38
He arrives at that abandoned building where he knows that
52:40
Benny usually hangs out at, and he sees like a mattress there.
52:44
So he, you know, he thinks it's him just sleeping, goes over
52:47
there and nudges him. But it's a pig mask.
52:49
Yep. Which leads to him getting
52:51
pignapped. Of course.
52:52
Of course he did try calling Krauss and O'Brien and
52:55
ironically didn't get the backup that he was requesting.
52:57
Yeah, if it. Talks, doesn't it, Finch?
53:02
Seems like you should be able to count on your Co workers in this
53:04
line of duty. So he wakes up in the tub and
53:08
the tape starts. But we do not watch this game.
53:10
This is a little bit different than normal.
53:12
Normally we go into the full game and I wonder if maybe they
53:14
were trying not set that precedent.
53:17
So that way when we don't see Williams game later that it's
53:20
not supposed to immediately throw us off, but because we
53:23
never see the game. Yeah, it's like they want you to
53:25
forget about it. Yeah.
53:26
And you know what? You could be right.
53:28
That could be what they were trying.
53:29
To do that. That's my suspicion.
53:31
I just thought it was strange. Yeah, 'cause, like, they like,
53:34
they show the start of it and then they show the crime scene
53:36
after the fact. I'm like, oh wait, did we not?
53:39
Yeah, you. Yeah, 'cause I remember you were
53:42
sitting there. You were like, is this a
53:43
different version? So William calls Zeke from home
53:49
and he's like, listen, I know you guys were close and I don't
53:51
want to be the one to tell you this, but Boss has been accused
53:55
of lying on the stand more often than any other cop.
54:00
And you also hear, like, crying in the background and he's
54:02
saying that he's sleep training Charlie, his son.
54:05
In hindsight, this is so fucking stupid.
54:07
Like you don't even need to do that.
54:08
Like just saying that you have a kid is enough.
54:11
You don't need to go all the way and be like, oh, but I got the
54:13
cries. I like it, though.
54:15
Yeah, it's. I like it.
54:17
If you're gonna be a John Kramer villain, you've got to be as
54:20
flamboyant as possible. You know what I mean?
54:22
Like copycat the right way. What if that would have been
54:26
Tobin Bell's cameo right there? If him just doing baby cries,
54:30
you're like an old. Man going.
54:35
Oh, no, that would. Be great.
54:38
We have a flashback to Marcus yelling at Zeke for turning in
54:41
Pete, He's like, you should have come to me first and he was
54:43
like, I did the right thing. But when he leaves the office,
54:47
he tells Angie that he's just worried about the the trouble
54:50
that he's going to get After turning in a fellow cop in
54:54
present, Zeke goes to his dad's apartment and the delivery guy
54:59
just hands him the food after he confirms he's not the customer.
55:02
Yeah, he's like, are you? Are you?
55:05
Are you Marcus? Spanx.
55:06
Marcus. Spanx.
55:07
That's right. Yeah.
55:07
He's like, I'm his son. He goes cool.
55:10
It's just like, are you this guy?
55:11
No. All right, here you go.
55:12
Was the food prepaid? I don't this must have been.
55:16
Oh, at the station, another package has been sent, and this
55:20
time it's a video with a Sparrow on the truck and the Mr. Snuggle
55:25
says that you need to point your fingers at yourself before
55:29
pointing them at other people. Or I can't believe that we
55:32
didn't get the line. Like any time you .1 finger at
55:35
somebody else, three are pointing back at you.
55:38
Yeah, that could have been a good one.
55:40
I'm I'm just honestly kind of surprised that didn't happen.
55:44
They they know where this location is.
55:46
It's like a bridge that's two blocks away.
55:48
So they all get there. The truck is there and inside is
55:52
a pig and yet another box that has 10 little thingies and A987
55:57
or A982 badge, which is Fitch's badge.
56:01
So Bozeman was talking about he had these prop fingers in his
56:07
suitcase as he was coming back home, and when he got to customs
56:11
to cross the border from Canada and to the United States, they
56:14
looked through his shit and they were like, why?
56:17
Why I always? Love stories like these because,
56:22
like, you got to explain like, I don't know.
56:24
I'm like Saw movies. I'm Darren Bozeman.
56:26
Darren Lynn Bozeman. Come on, man, let me call Tobin.
56:31
You're like Bozeman. Sounds Canadian, eh?
56:34
Tobin, Well, no. He like calls Tobin.
56:37
It's like Coast is a so we finally get the game now, right?
56:44
Or do we get no we? Get flashback to Zeke requesting
56:47
backup and Fitch saying fuck him and then he gets shot in the
56:52
tongue Tom, which could have been really bad and Marcus comes
56:55
out and he goes, I wanna know why my son was asking for backup
57:00
for for 8 minutes and not a single person responded and now
57:04
he's shot. I'm going to figure I'm going to
57:07
call a dispatch and see who was closest and then I'm going to
57:09
personally shoot you. And then Fitch was like, it was
57:12
me. And then he, like, attacks him.
57:13
I feel like the script probably just said and Sam Jackson does.
57:17
Sam Jackson, Yeah. Because he just, like, goes in
57:20
there and delivers some very intimidating lines.
57:24
Well, and here's the thing too, is that there's a couple of cool
57:27
little references to Pulp Fiction specifically.
57:30
Like I think Ezekiel's name is a reference to the Bible quote
57:35
that he does in Pulp Fiction and then later on down in the cold
57:38
case storage room it says Vincent Jules.
57:42
Yeah, that's a really cool time. Yeah.
57:44
OK, now we actually get the trap that's going on here.
57:47
So Finch's or Finch? Finch's trap is, you know, like
57:52
the finger trap stuff. Like the little like finger
57:54
traps you used to get when you were a kid.
57:56
What is it? No hard feelings where they get
57:58
the little. Trap.
57:59
Yeah, Yeah. So they.
58:01
He just needed to. He needed to talk about a sweet
58:03
little baby boy and learn that you push in.
58:06
But I don't think that's how these actually work.
58:07
No. So Darren Lynn Bozeman was
58:09
actually going into detail about how this actually worked.
58:12
Those were actual functioning finger traps.
58:14
So like the guy that was playing Fitch was actually like he had
58:18
his finger stuck in there and he he said that whenever he was
58:21
pulling his fingers back that it was getting tighter each time
58:24
that he would do that. So they eventually did replace
58:28
it with prosthetic hands whenever the chain pulls them
58:32
all the way up there. This is like a fully functioning
58:34
machine too. I don't know if how much
58:35
attention you were paying to. This.
58:36
Yeah, it was. I was taking up some other notes
58:38
at the same time. For yeah, everybody else
58:41
listening benefit, they actually had this design, so they said
58:44
they had, they had to actually play it safe because they could
58:46
have actually tore his fingers off.
58:47
Here. Yeah.
58:48
So whenever they pull him up with the chains all the way up
58:52
to the thing, that's where they make the change through
58:54
prosthetic hands. He's actually got his hands down
58:56
inside the little thing there and they just kind of painted
58:59
around it to hide it. That makes sense.
59:00
Yeah, he was so pissed off about this scene, though, because the
59:04
MPAA actually butchered this thing.
59:06
He said he had at least like an hour and a half of footage of
59:09
this one scene. Dang.
59:11
Yeah, and apparently he was really pissed at himself because
59:15
they really needed to convey the importance of this, like with
59:19
the water levels rising. But they didn't get a lot of
59:22
footage of the water rising, so they had to keep reusing that
59:25
shot over and over again and try and tricky into thinking that
59:28
it's rising up. Well, and here's this, honestly,
59:31
this just it really kills me when people are like, this would
59:33
be the easiest trap to beat. And I'm like, I don't think it
59:36
would. I think people, this is one of
59:38
those are like, yeah, I could probably outrace this like
59:41
Olympic athlete. Like it's that kind of like like
59:44
you truly don't realize what you're saying.
59:47
And the the tub is high. It is high up and he is pulled
59:51
up to that thing. There's no way that he could
59:53
lift himself up. He's locked in, and especially
59:56
with how high up the copper wire is, it's at the rim of the tub.
59:59
Yeah. So it's there.
1:00:01
There's no way. Yeah, for sure.
1:00:03
And they had footage of every single one of the fingers being
1:00:08
torn out, but they wouldn't allow it.
1:00:12
And they said, if you are to show it, 'cause they had like
1:00:15
muscles and bones and all that shit being displayed like they
1:00:18
could only, yeah, they could only display 10 frames at a time
1:00:22
of any of that. So that's why we get like just a
1:00:25
quick cut, so. That's why it's so choppy, OK?
1:00:27
Yeah, it just sucks because, like, this is the one that
1:00:30
pissed him off and he's like, you know what, Fuck this shit.
1:00:32
He. Just like stop this, I'm done
1:00:34
talking. About this because he is now.
1:00:36
Yeah, he like he That was his first time watching.
1:00:38
It don't get any information about the wax trap.
1:00:41
I know I was so. Odd about the Fingies.
1:00:42
Yeah, but yeah, he he was. That was his first time watching
1:00:46
the footage of that since actually editing the movie.
1:00:48
He's like, this is fucking pissing me off.
1:00:51
I felt bad for him. I was like, oh man, he could
1:00:53
have been awesome. It was already awesome.
1:00:55
Here's the thing, though, is that he wasn't, like, loud about
1:00:58
it. Like Travis's editor realizing
1:01:00
he was more of that quiet, pissed off.
1:01:01
He's like, pissed. Pissed me off.
1:01:02
It's just like he was trying to go into detail and every time he
1:01:06
was starting like a new detail, he's like, no, this is just
1:01:07
making me mad. Like he would just keep talking
1:01:09
about how mad he's getting. The more he watched it, it's
1:01:12
kind of funny. So yeah, I mean, that's what
1:01:14
happens to him. Like he gets all of his fingers
1:01:16
ripped off and it's still too late.
1:01:18
The water rises up high enough and he gets electrocuted.
1:01:21
Yeah. And basically the reason he was
1:01:23
in there, we didn't actually talk about this.
1:01:25
He shot a man at a traffic stop because he insulted him.
1:01:29
Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.
1:01:33
Talk about a delicate little snowflake, right?
1:01:37
So Cross tells Banks about the video footage that they went and
1:01:41
got. And so he's like, he can't be
1:01:44
too mad, 'cause they're all like, well, you have motive to
1:01:46
kill fish. And he's like, I'm also lead on
1:01:48
this case, so yeah, you know. Well, we also had Hoffman, so
1:01:52
that's also true. Yeah, we have.
1:01:54
He's the president of that happening here.
1:01:57
So Banks and Shank go to look for Benny at his meth dealer and
1:02:02
they basically they try and send up.
1:02:05
They say they're sending up money to get some meth, but it's
1:02:08
actually an ink bomb. So they bust in, knock him down
1:02:12
in a way that manages to break, like cause a compound fracture.
1:02:16
This dude's got brittle bones. This man needs some vitamin D.
1:02:19
He got taken through a fucking coffee table, a glass coffee
1:02:23
table, and that causes Shin to just come out of his leg like, I
1:02:26
don't understand how. That, yeah.
1:02:28
Brittle bones, man. You go to your doctor, talk
1:02:31
about some osteoporosis. We need to, we need to to look
1:02:34
into your health, Sir. This one of the most
1:02:36
uncomfortable scenes though, because they use it as an
1:02:38
interrogation tool. Because anytime that they don't
1:02:42
get an answer, Zeke just takes a bottle of alcohol, pours it on
1:02:46
the open bone and hits the bone with the bottle.
1:02:50
Yeah, it's it's effective. And like, you can tell that
1:02:53
Williams, like, really uncomfortable with it because
1:02:55
he's like, this is the type of shit that, like, I'm killing
1:02:57
people over, Yeah. Watch how Zeke might be killing.
1:03:01
Me, you're next. But he says that the word on the
1:03:04
street is that Benny OD, Nobody's seen him in like 2
1:03:06
days. Yeah, this is.
1:03:08
Then we cut to them saying that John Kramer didn't target cops.
1:03:13
Oh, how quickly we forget. I get that it's been maybe a
1:03:15
decade, but you're wrong. So they are like, OK, Zeke, so
1:03:20
do you have any enemies? So because they're wondering why
1:03:23
all these packages are being addressed to him.
1:03:25
Yeah. And Williams, like, are you
1:03:26
being targeted because you're the lead of the case or because
1:03:29
you are you? Yeah.
1:03:31
He goes and looks for his ex partner, Dunleavy, and he's at a
1:03:35
a. He's living in the basement of
1:03:37
the church. We have a flashback to Pete
1:03:39
confirming with the witness that he can positively identify the
1:03:42
cop who threw a man off a roof. And this guy was like, yes
1:03:46
officer, I will come testify in court, I can positively ID him.
1:03:51
I'm a good citizen and the cop goes bye bang.
1:03:54
All right. You're dead, motherfucker.
1:03:56
Yeah, you'd have told me that. Don't talk to cops, people.
1:03:59
It's don't do it. Am I being detained?
1:04:02
Yeah. So yeah, we got that there.
1:04:07
And he's just basically Pete. I guess that's his name too.
1:04:13
He's just kind of given Zeke shit for turning him in.
1:04:16
Yeah, he's like, yeah, man, things were wild with Article 8,
1:04:19
but like, he's got no remorse. I don't think he's doing AA
1:04:23
correctly. He kind of sounded like those
1:04:24
were like the good old days, like, man, article eight.
1:04:26
Wow. Yeah, he's like, remember you?
1:04:27
Could just kill people. You just, like, shoot a guy
1:04:29
because he saw you kill a guy. Yeah, it was awesome, man.
1:04:33
Article 8. But he So Zeke asked him where
1:04:38
he was the knight of Foz's murder, and he goes, oh God,
1:04:41
you're here for that. OK, yeah.
1:04:43
So some guy from A A came in drunk, wanted to fight his
1:04:46
sponsor, and I broke his nose. I'm still on probation, but
1:04:49
luckily O'Brien was the one that responded.
1:04:51
So he let it slide, you know, like you do.
1:04:54
Again, I don't think that Pete Dunleavy is doing a A correctly.
1:04:58
Fuck this dude. Yeah, so.
1:05:02
Dad is still not home. Yep, at 9:00 AM, they're trying.
1:05:06
He's trying to call Shank. He has not shown up.
1:05:09
He's gonna wait to work, Yeah. And then another package
1:05:12
arrives. They they tackle the fucking
1:05:13
delivery man. Why?
1:05:15
He was just doing his job. This feels very seven to me when
1:05:20
John Doe actually finally walks into the precinct.
1:05:22
So I was like, oh shit, is this? For a second I was like, oh, is
1:05:25
this going to actually be the new jigsaw?
1:05:28
Yeah, that would be. Hilarious.
1:05:29
Yeah, he was just. Like I was just delivering it
1:05:32
like I was. Told what if it was the delivery
1:05:33
kid that gave him the food? Oh my God.
1:05:36
Yeah, it. Could have been perfect.
1:05:37
Yeah, so O'Brien has a moment where he's like, we need to get
1:05:41
Bomb Squad here and Zeke is like, Angie, you're the head of
1:05:47
the department, Yeah, Which is, honestly, it's not helping her
1:05:51
to, like, call her out to need to use her power.
1:05:53
That also doesn't make her look powerful.
1:05:54
So power struggles all around. That's fucking police politics.
1:06:00
I guess, but it's so funny because he has this whole worry
1:06:02
about the about it being a bomb and then they moved the package
1:06:05
anyway. It's like they put it right on
1:06:07
Shank's desk. Yeah, all right, He's the new
1:06:09
guy. Let's fuck his stuff up.
1:06:10
It's mystery Snuggles, except Mr. Snuggles has a new outfit
1:06:15
much like the Emperor, and it's made of skin.
1:06:19
And it's don't worry if you thought maybe you know Mr.
1:06:22
Snuggles was an all neutrals person.
1:06:24
Mr. Snuggles likes a little branding on his clothing in the
1:06:28
form of 1 tattooed named Charlie.
1:06:31
Yeah, and there's also AI think it's like the car that says am I
1:06:34
getting under your skin? So they check underneath the
1:06:37
skin and they find that there is Constantine paints found inside
1:06:40
of it. And that's a clue for Zeke.
1:06:43
Yes, because he and his dad used to go to Constantine hobby shop
1:06:46
which is now a butcher shop. And when they go in there, they
1:06:49
find a skinned body in the back of the butcher shop that this
1:06:52
fully opened and functioning butcher shop hadn't noticed.
1:06:57
How do you not notice a fucking body with no skin?
1:07:01
Can you imagine, like being the teenager or whatever that opened
1:07:05
the shop that day and was just maybe you're like hungover or
1:07:08
whatever and you just don't go. You don't do all of your normal
1:07:12
opening duties. Then that body is found.
1:07:14
Like, not only is that traumatic, but you're definitely
1:07:17
getting fired because now the boss knows you're not doing your
1:07:20
job. Yeah, I mean, that's one of
1:07:22
those ones where you just pretend like you didn't see.
1:07:24
You just look at it, stand there for a second and turn around, be
1:07:26
like, I'm not going in there. I'm going to pretend like I
1:07:28
never went in there. All day today.
1:07:30
You can fire me. I don't give a fuck.
1:07:31
I'm not getting involved in that shit.
1:07:33
Too much? Yeah.
1:07:36
OK, so. Garza gets a text from Marcus's
1:07:41
phone to check the cold case file.
1:07:43
He's got a hunch about what's going on.
1:07:46
Meanwhile, Zeke gets a call, but another cop has been stabbed by
1:07:49
a person in a pig mask, so he gets to check on him.
1:07:53
The guy is just hurt and also a little upset with the way Zeke
1:07:58
is coming at him, 'cause he's like, 'cause his arm honestly is
1:08:01
pretty fucked up, Like those are some deep wounds.
1:08:04
He's not feeling good. It's not quite as bad as Anton
1:08:07
Yelich. No, that's not his name.
1:08:10
No, it is Anton Yelich. OK, yeah, yeah, not quite, I
1:08:13
thought. I got it mixed up with the
1:08:15
baseball player. Christian Yelich Yeah, Yeah, it
1:08:19
kind of. It's a very.
1:08:20
Quick game. It's not quite as bad as Anton
1:08:23
Yelich in Green Room, but it's not like a little cut.
1:08:27
It's not a scream. Misdirection Ghostface.
1:08:30
Yeah, I guess it's not like a drive by cutting.
1:08:32
He probably stopped there and just gave him a real good one
1:08:35
and ran. Off, Yeah, if we have the
1:08:36
sliding scale, it's right there in the middle.
1:08:38
I'm just also impressed he was able to get away with this.
1:08:42
OK, so there was also a message with the package from before
1:08:47
that says take your head. Yeah, while you're waiting for
1:08:50
another body to fall, I'll take your head.
1:08:52
So, and this is when Zeke realizes take your head means
1:08:55
they're going after Garza. Yeah, she's the head of the
1:08:57
department. So in the file room, the door
1:09:00
slams shut and some smoke smoke bombs come out and basically
1:09:04
Angie gets kidnapped. Oh, she's covered for the
1:09:06
department, all of their wrongdoings and everything, and
1:09:10
she has to sever her spinal cord to avoid hot boiling wax pouring
1:09:16
onto her face. Now if it was going to move her
1:09:18
face out of the way, I would understand that, but I really
1:09:22
don't understand how this is meant to work.
1:09:24
Because you're going to be paralyzed, you won't be able to
1:09:26
move after the fact. That doesn't free you.
1:09:28
Yeah I I don't I don't know what's going to happen.
1:09:31
I. Don't know if they thought this
1:09:32
through, and I don't know if it's, I don't know.
1:09:35
Maybe like it's meant to be half assed.
1:09:37
I don't know. I feel like that could be
1:09:38
interesting, but I feel like they're still trying to play it
1:09:41
off as like a competent jigsaw copycat.
1:09:44
Feel like Josh Solberg is a fan of both House of Wax and Wolf
1:09:50
Creek and was like but what if both?
1:09:52
Well, if he were, then why don't we have J pads in this movie?
1:09:57
Why isn't J Pads in a Saw movie? Right.
1:09:59
He saw 11 make it happen. Soxy.
1:10:04
Soxy. Get us, get us some J pads and
1:10:07
he'd be a great like opening kill oh.
1:10:09
Dude, Sexy soxy. Sexy Soxy.
1:10:11
Yeah. Oh my God.
1:10:12
Let's fucking do it, all right? We're going to get, we're going
1:10:16
to get the cash cut and the sexy socksy.
1:10:19
Roll. Yeah, please get these, get
1:10:21
these hashtags. Tweet it, Josh Stolberg Tweet
1:10:24
it. Who's doing?
1:10:25
Is it greater again that's doing?
1:10:26
Solo. I think so.
1:10:27
Yeah, just tweet. Tweet at them, tweet at
1:10:30
Lionsgate, tweet at Twisted Pictures.
1:10:32
So Angie's like, fuck you like she's trying to get out, but
1:10:37
she's also not trying to sever her spinal cord.
1:10:39
Like, she's honestly just really fighting this, and it's cutting
1:10:42
her neck, but it's not. She's not putting enough
1:10:44
pressure on it to cut her spinal cord.
1:10:46
Yeah, I mean, at that point where you already have your face
1:10:49
like severely burned and you've also like, it's between like
1:10:53
having a like a burned face like that and just like being
1:10:55
paralyzed, like I'm just like just fucking let's just do this.
1:10:58
She's basically being like, waterboarded, 'cause I.
1:11:01
Have the cloth over her face and that's going to melt to her
1:11:04
face, yeah. Which we see because Zeke has
1:11:07
realized what's going on. He comes back in a panic.
1:11:09
And I was like, no, a cop was stabbed.
1:11:10
And he goes, no, they're it's a diversion.
1:11:12
They're coming for Angie. So they end up going down to the
1:11:16
file room. They have to get the code to get
1:11:18
in and it's too late. She's already gone.
1:11:20
He does try to do some CPR, but it's not.
1:11:22
I can't believe he peeled her face back because it just is
1:11:26
peeling the skin off of her face.
1:11:29
J Pads. J Pads.
1:11:32
Oh yeah, but they thought that he was a wax figure.
1:11:34
And in this case, it's like, hey, I'm going to save you by.
1:11:37
Ripping your skin off, guy was like, oh God, let me get this
1:11:40
off with you. And he's like trying to pull it
1:11:41
off. And then the one little tear
1:11:42
comes down his face. That's yes, but he thought it
1:11:45
was a wax figure. At first initially, yeah.
1:11:49
Yeah. Chris Rock just went another.
1:11:50
I'm ripping that shit off. So he locks down the precinct
1:11:54
and he reviews the footage. 13 minutes are missing, so it's
1:11:57
between when she goes down there and when Zeke appears, so.
1:12:02
They also checked the logs and they noticed that Pete is
1:12:05
somehow logged into the system and was able to do that.
1:12:10
They're like, he shouldn't still have access and they're like,
1:12:13
well, your dad also, O'Brien says.
1:12:15
Your dad still has access too, and he's got motive.
1:12:18
And Zee goes like I will fuck you up.
1:12:21
Yeah, they fight. He's like, where's your dad?
1:12:23
He's like he's, he's turning in tapes.
1:12:26
I don't. Know and he walks 2 feet away
1:12:28
and he goes, Dad, answer your fucking phone.
1:12:30
I can't cover for you anymore. Yeah, it's pretty funny.
1:12:33
But while he's doing that call, he gets picked up.
1:12:36
Marcus is in a building. We cut to him.
1:12:39
It's like an abandoned soap factory.
1:12:41
I think that's where he is. There's like spirals everywhere.
1:12:43
Oh, this is a spiral zone. Oh, OK, Because, you know, it's
1:12:46
just like a zone and it's got spirals all over the place.
1:12:48
You know what that totally tracks as a naming method.
1:12:52
Thank you. So he sees written on the wall.
1:12:56
Do you want to play a game? Detective Binks and.
1:12:58
He says. Let's play a game, motherfucker.
1:13:00
He finds like the puppet and then a typewriter and we don't
1:13:04
see what all is on the typewriter, he just gets
1:13:06
pignapped. Yeah, I think it was basically
1:13:08
just, you know, saying like, I know you were responsible for
1:13:10
Article 8, blah, blah, blah. Zeke wakes up and sees someone
1:13:15
else's, like chained up and hanging in the middle of the
1:13:17
room, but he is handcuffed to a pipe and he's got a little
1:13:20
hacksaw and you know he does the classic this, and I feel like
1:13:24
Chris Rock was really excited about this moment.
1:13:27
Yeah, cuz you get to do the thing, yeah?
1:13:29
They had talked about doing a similar callback to Danny Glover
1:13:33
in the first one, his yeah, yeah, when he gets attacked.
1:13:38
But they didn't want to do that, so they did this.
1:13:41
It's convenient that he doesn't have to either break his wrist
1:13:45
or chop it off. They gave him a pin.
1:13:49
There'd be, yeah, there's a Bobby pin right there, which we
1:13:52
find. It makes sense when we figure it
1:13:53
out later, but. What kind of?
1:13:56
Well, I guess it's meant to be a diversion.
1:13:58
Like, I was just trying to make you think.
1:13:59
Yeah, it's a version. I guess I should say I don't.
1:14:01
Know. Yeah.
1:14:02
So it's actually Pete that's tied up.
1:14:06
He has no clue what Zeke is talking about because Zeke's
1:14:08
like, did you kill Boss? Did you take my dad?
1:14:11
What's going on? Where's your boyfriend at?
1:14:13
Is he at the concession stand? Is he getting you juju bees?
1:14:16
Or you like juju bees? Is that the Mad TV guy?
1:14:20
Yeah. OK, so so this is actually a
1:14:23
game for Zeke, apparently. It's like, OK, so here's a piece
1:14:27
of shit that you turned in for doing something.
1:14:30
And as you know, from talking to him the other day, he has
1:14:32
learned absolutely nothing from losing his job.
1:14:36
So we're gonna throw glass shards at him and you can just
1:14:39
you can leave. Yeah, you can just leave the.
1:14:42
But he ends up figuring out that there's a key in the trash can,
1:14:46
and he's trying to help Pete, but it is too late.
1:14:49
This is gnarly. This is really gross.
1:14:53
And then I have a problem, because when Zeke walks away, he
1:14:57
is way too fucking casual about all of the glass in him.
1:15:01
I I have stepped on glass, unfortunately, numerous times in
1:15:06
my life. Yeah, even a tiny little piece
1:15:08
of glass like you feel. It you feel it, but he's also
1:15:13
got a bunch of adrenaline going through his system and you don't
1:15:16
realize shit like that. And while you're hopped up on
1:15:19
adrenaline until after the fact. Well, last time I had a piece of
1:15:23
glass in my foot, I went at it with too much adrenaline, and I
1:15:27
actually broke a fingernail trying to pull it out.
1:15:29
Yeah, you were already in bed. And like, I was coming to bed
1:15:32
and then all this was happening and I climbed in and you're
1:15:36
like, goodnight. I was like, I was so grumpy, my
1:15:41
foot hurt, I broke a nail. And you were just cuddled up in
1:15:46
the bed with the girls. Just having a good time, feet
1:15:50
all intact, no blasphemy. Living the life.
1:15:56
Yeah, man, Yeah. And also Glass makes you bleed
1:15:58
like a motherfucker. I do appreciate that they gave
1:16:02
him like some swelling around some of the wounds, but there
1:16:04
should this should have been. He should have had more of a
1:16:07
reaction, even with the adrenaline.
1:16:09
Yeah, like as soon as he walks out of the room trying to play
1:16:11
it cool, he's just like, but no, instead he just kind of casually
1:16:16
walks into the next room where Shank is just kind of casually
1:16:20
waiting for him. Yeah, so his dad, Charlie, was
1:16:24
the witness that Pete Dunleavy shot.
1:16:27
He doesn't actually have a wife or a son.
1:16:30
This isn't his real name, but somehow he managed to go through
1:16:33
the Academy, get assigned to his precinct and assigned as his
1:16:36
partner. He killed Benny and used him for
1:16:39
the fake skinning trap after he, you know, did his whole thing,
1:16:42
luring boss into the subway system.
1:16:44
And he tattooed his Charlie on him.
1:16:47
Yeah, so he also had to learn how to tattoo in the meantime
1:16:50
with all of this. Oh man, I'm just imagining him
1:16:52
going through like the whole boot camp for.
1:16:55
Costume he's. Also an apprentice at a tattoo
1:16:57
shop. They're like, man, when do you
1:16:59
sleep And he goes, you know, when you're passionate.
1:17:02
I'm also sleep training, Charlie.
1:17:05
Fucking Charlie, just toven. Yeah, OK, so he used when he
1:17:13
borrowed Zeke's son. He used that to text Marcus and
1:17:15
then like, blocks them from being able to contact each
1:17:17
other. He offers to take care of The
1:17:20
Dirty cops as long as Zeke finds them.
1:17:22
And he's like, listen, you failed my first Test because you
1:17:24
tried to help Pete Dunleavy that piece of shit.
1:17:27
But here's your next chance. And beforehand let me do this.
1:17:31
So he calls 9/1, he goes shots fired at the old soap factory.
1:17:36
I need somebody. Here he goes.
1:17:37
You have 4 minutes complete this.
1:17:38
Your dad will die in 3 minutes because he is being fully
1:17:41
exsanguinated. And he also fires off 4 rounds
1:17:45
with the gun that he has there. So basically, he tells in the
1:17:50
next room, they lock the door. He's like, you can shoot down
1:17:53
that target, It'll let your dad free, he'll stop bleeding out
1:17:58
and his dad's like, no, you need to shoot this motherfucker.
1:18:01
And then Swat's there. They're trying to come in and so
1:18:04
it's like this whole clusterfucks.
1:18:06
So he ends up shooting the target down.
1:18:07
So that way his dad gets down, but William has been doing
1:18:10
something on the side with a cable, and then he tries to get
1:18:16
away in a little crate cart. What are they?
1:18:19
Crate. Yeah, I don't know what they're
1:18:22
called the. It's like a service elevator
1:18:24
type thing, but so Zeke follows him in there, starts fighting.
1:18:29
Him. Yeah.
1:18:30
SWAT teams. Buzz saw him through the door
1:18:32
there. When they hit the wire, the
1:18:34
cable that William strung up, it causes Marcus to get pulled back
1:18:41
up. And this is when we see that the
1:18:42
things on his arms are actually guns, and his arms are getting
1:18:46
pulled up and start firing, which means that the Swat's
1:18:49
gonna shoot him. They own.
1:18:52
Yeah, they, yeah. They got shotguns, they got
1:18:54
assault rifles, they got handguns, they're just putting
1:18:57
every single. Bowl again.
1:18:58
I feel like Josh Silver watched Unfriended Dark Web and was like
1:19:02
swatting. So we're doing swatting in
1:19:04
horror movies? Bet.
1:19:06
It is an actual thing that's been going on here lately.
1:19:09
Yeah. And so Zeke runs out and he's
1:19:13
like trying to make them stop, but it's very much too late.
1:19:16
And then the elevators going down and William just looks at
1:19:19
him and does a little. How the fuck did nobody notice?
1:19:22
You know that they would be checking the area in case
1:19:25
there's anybody else there, right?
1:19:27
Yeah, but they see this motherfucker just taking an
1:19:30
elevator, just going. Yeah, they're like, it's fine.
1:19:33
Yeah, come on, it's just. Yeah, And that's the.
1:19:36
End. Yeah, that's how it ends.
1:19:37
And then we get the best fucking song we get.
1:19:40
Make a spin like a spiral and it's really cool.
1:19:42
So the it's a it's a it's about a banger, if you will, and we
1:19:49
listen to it constantly. But 20?
1:19:51
One savage. 21 Savage Re Listening to it on the close
1:19:56
credits last night, it's way more orchestral.
1:19:58
It's like Charlie Klauser, like amped Up, that part of it, and
1:20:01
it's really cool. Yeah, you get more than bump,
1:20:03
bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
1:20:06
But the I fucking love that song.
1:20:08
It's so good I I listen to it casually.
1:20:10
You've probably heard us, like, casually sing it in older
1:20:14
episodes. Because what we do drop, it's a.
1:20:16
Spiral piranha. OK, so that's the end of the
1:20:20
movie. That's the end.
1:20:21
You know what? I'm gonna bump it up to an 8.
1:20:23
OK, cool. You were right the first time.
1:20:25
I'm keeping it out of name. Yeah.
1:20:26
I I like this movie a lot. It does some fun new things.
1:20:29
It does some fun of the familiar things, and it's fresh.
1:20:35
I like it it it was a good time to go in a newish direction with
1:20:41
this series I think. Yeah, and it it you can tell it
1:20:44
was done with like love and respect.
1:20:46
I'm glad that Chris Rock is a fan of the series, too, because
1:20:48
that you mean you know, that he's coming at this from, like a
1:20:50
true perspective. Yes.
1:20:52
And I feel like I, you know, I spent so much of my life
1:20:56
watching Chris Rock and various different things, so it was nice
1:20:58
seeing him. And do something different.
1:21:00
Yeah, it's really cool. It's so out of the norm.
1:21:02
But like, yeah, I really, really appreciate it.
1:21:04
It's also super cool having Sam Jackson.
1:21:06
Yes, I like we blessed to live in this in this particular
1:21:11
universe. Oh, we didn't talk about in the
1:21:13
flashback. Well, I guess we did before
1:21:15
where you had the backwards cap on, but.
1:21:17
Oh, no, we talked about that plenty.
1:21:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Discussed the change.
1:21:21
Oh, OK. We need to.
1:21:22
We just have something that we would change.
1:21:24
I would probably do something different with all the flashback
1:21:27
sequences. I need them to be meaningful
1:21:30
each time they happen that's true, and not be repetitive.
1:21:33
I wanted more Mr. Snuggles because Billy is such like a big
1:21:38
presence in the series and Mr. Snuggles is just there a few
1:21:41
times. I want something traumatic, A
1:21:45
traumatic display of Mr. Snuggles.
1:21:46
Kind of like Billy and Jeff's game and the trike.
1:21:50
Oh yeah, I want a future movie to like, have both Billy and Mr.
1:21:55
Snuggles together. My God.
1:21:57
OK, OK, I want a full moon feature of Billy versus Mr.
1:22:05
Snuggles. Dude, that would be awesome.
1:22:08
I would love that. Is that our sequel?
1:22:10
I know we don't do sequels for this, but this is our.
1:22:12
Dream. Yeah, let's just do it because
1:22:13
this is like a spin off from that.
1:22:15
Let's just do this. Let's do this right here.
1:22:16
That's a dream sequel for this series right here.
1:22:18
OK, dude, that would be so cool. Like dueling copycat killers.
1:22:22
Yeah. No, this is my fucking
1:22:23
territory. And they try and get each other.
1:22:25
Oh fuck yeah, that would be awesome.
1:22:27
OK, OK, so Talia. Talia, she was pretty sleepy
1:22:31
throughout it. She's very sleepy.
1:22:32
Yeah. I mean, it's just it was a big
1:22:34
weekend for her so. She's tired herself out that
1:22:36
time. But I will tell you that
1:22:37
generally, she really likes this movie because she's also a huge
1:22:40
fan of Sam Jackson. We've watched a lot of that
1:22:43
motherfucker in this house. That's true, yes.
1:22:45
I'm gonna say yeah, I'm gonna say.
1:22:47
She gives it a night. She goes right after this.
1:22:49
You know what she did? She ate.
1:22:51
She did. You're right, Yeah.
1:22:52
OK, so we've already decided that for Zoe, we're changing it
1:22:56
up with her because she's been generally watching the movies
1:22:59
with us. So who do you think Zoe believes
1:23:02
is the superior hunter in this movie?
1:23:07
I think that she believes probably.
1:23:17
Well, shit, I don't know. It's tough.
1:23:19
I've got, I've got those. I was gonna say Sam Jackson's
1:23:22
character, Banks. OK.
1:23:24
What is your rationale for that? Well, he makes it to the spiral
1:23:28
zone, OK? He's running around in the dark,
1:23:31
and Zoe does that a lot whenever she's hunting stuff.
1:23:34
My thought process is similar that it would be Marcus Banks
1:23:37
but because he he was shouting the whole time he was hunting.
1:23:42
And that's what. Zoe does.
1:23:44
In the dark, Yeah, whatever. Is Zoe's hunting in the dark?
1:23:46
She screams the entire time she. Goes and then whenever you go
1:23:52
and say, hey Zoe, she always looks embarrassed.
1:23:54
She's like, oh, hey, she's. Yeah.
1:23:55
Oh, you heard. That who's?
1:23:57
Who's doing that? That's weird, right?
1:23:59
It's a ghost, maybe. I don't know.
1:24:03
OK. So which who did you relate to?
1:24:09
I that's a good question. Part of the show.
1:24:19
That is part of the show. That's why we did it, 'cause we
1:24:22
only do good questions on the show.
1:24:23
Obviously, show man this is, it's kind of a tough one.
1:24:30
Well, I will relate to Shank because I have also taken like,
1:24:36
I haven't. I've had an interest in being a
1:24:39
tattoo artist and I feel like he didn't have to do that.
1:24:41
But he's like, if I'm going to go there, I'm going to like have
1:24:43
fun with it. I'm going to like, I'm going to
1:24:45
go and learn how to tattoo. Also, I feel like he just like
1:24:49
was looking for an excuse to wear.
1:24:51
Tattoos like this is like a fun side project.
1:24:52
For like, why? Why would I ever want a tattoo?
1:24:54
Well, obviously I have a son and you know, he cries all the time
1:24:58
and I got to tell people about him so and I got to have a
1:25:00
tattoo of him because I love that motherfucker.
1:25:02
Well, it's also his dad's name, so.
1:25:04
Oh, was it? Yeah.
1:25:06
Fuck. And also love my dad.
1:25:10
Either way, I you know, the tattooing thing.
1:25:12
Yeah, that's funny. OK, I think I relate to the both
1:25:22
the delivery person with the food and the hungover kid at the
1:25:28
butcher shop, 'cause like there's some days that you're
1:25:31
just like, I don't have the I don't have the energy to deal
1:25:33
with, I don't get paid enough for this shit.
1:25:35
But you're not the guy. I've been staying here for like
1:25:37
half an hour, so take it. I don't care who gets at this
1:25:39
point. OK.
1:25:43
All right, new tagline. He's turning this around because
1:25:50
it's like turning around, like what the meaning of the spiral
1:25:53
is, and it's also turning around like a spiral.
1:25:57
It's turning around. Yeah, that's pretty deep.
1:26:01
And then you can also, like, go into some Bonnie Tyler after
1:26:03
that, if you're feeling Froggy. That's true.
1:26:05
Yeah, I'm always froggy for Bonnie Tiser except for in Dial
1:26:10
Code Santa. That's a great scene.
1:26:13
It's actually a hard scene to watch, but boy, grew up.
1:26:19
Nobody knows what we're talking about unless you guys have seen
1:26:21
Deadly Games. We talked.
1:26:22
About that. Yeah, but who?
1:26:24
Not everybody's listened to that or seen that movie.
1:26:27
Yeah. OK.
1:26:28
All right. OK, so.
1:26:32
Which trap? Which trap do you think you'd
1:26:34
survive from this? This is a tough one, man,
1:26:36
because all the traps suck and they're all really tough to win,
1:26:39
I think. I think.
1:26:42
I mean, I'm going to go with. I'm not ripping out my tongue
1:26:47
and I'm not ripping off my thingies and I'm not.
1:26:49
I'm not going to be paralyzed. So I guess I'd have to do the
1:26:52
glass one, which would suck, but you.
1:26:58
Know The thing is, that's not even anything for you.
1:27:00
You just have to be like. No, I'm thinking about it from
1:27:03
from Zeke's perspective. Oh, where?
1:27:05
You have to go over there and unlock it.
1:27:06
Yeah, yeah, I think I could do that.
1:27:09
I think I could do. That it would suck.
1:27:10
It would suck. But.
1:27:12
I'm having. I'm trying to rationalize the
1:27:14
decision here. So, like with the tongue, all
1:27:17
right, I'd have to learn like, sign language.
1:27:19
Well, and also like like what they were saying in the special.
1:27:22
It's not just gonna be your tongue that comes out.
1:27:24
It's so much more. Yeah, yeah.
1:27:26
They mentioned that like. And like, that's also like, it's
1:27:29
a whole entire, like, torture method, you know?
1:27:32
Yeah, So I just, I can't do that.
1:27:34
Fingers like, I don't know, can I get some bionic fingers like
1:27:37
on my hand? And just not on a cop's salary.
1:27:41
Does this count as workers comp? Does.
1:27:45
This If you're a kid, if you're a pig, nap while working the
1:27:48
case and injured but survive. Is that workers?
1:27:52
Comp. It's kind of related to work
1:27:53
because he was targeted because he's a cop.
1:27:55
Exactly, but he's also investigating the case.
1:27:58
Yeah, I think. I think it should know whether
1:28:01
or not they'll allow it. I don't know.
1:28:03
They're all kind of crooked people over there.
1:28:05
I think I could like, sign up for some experimental, like give
1:28:08
me some like, weird fingers or something.
1:28:10
I don't know, Give me something or I'll just.
1:28:13
I'll be a Powerpuff Girl. You know.
1:28:15
What I mean? Just put Your hands are weird.
1:28:18
Yeah, I just strap some Velcro to like my.
1:28:21
Yeah, there we go. Yeah, it's gotta be the glass.
1:28:24
I think it's gotta be the glass. OK.
1:28:26
OK. All right.
1:28:27
Now time for Internet review. Jesse, what did you get?
1:28:30
Well I know that we're both fans of this so I found what is
1:28:35
technically a four out of 10 on IMDb.
1:28:38
OK and I thought they brought and and I know we always talking
1:28:43
about the suspension of disbelief in this but I do think
1:28:45
these are some interesting points that we didn't discuss
1:28:47
ourselves. Rock dreadfully miscast plays
1:28:51
detective Zeke Banks who is the focus of a campaign of terror by
1:28:54
a serial killer who seems to be emulating the infamous John
1:28:56
Kramer AKA Jigsaw. Only this time the victims are
1:28:59
corrupt, corrupt cops. How topical?
1:29:02
Banks is sent parcels in the post by the new killer, leading
1:29:05
him from 1 gruesome discovery to another and the opening scene.
1:29:08
The trap is situated above a subway line.
1:29:10
The victim given the option of losing his tongue or losing his
1:29:12
life, did no one making this film question the logic of
1:29:14
installing a complex mechanical device above an operational
1:29:17
railway line? How long would the device have
1:29:19
taken to assemble? Did no trains pass by on those
1:29:21
days? Was the 3rd rail electrified the
1:29:23
whole time? Oh my God, she's been dumb.
1:29:25
You're so right. But not as dumb as the trap that
1:29:28
the maniac somehow manages to assemble in the police evidence
1:29:30
room. It pumps boiling wax onto the
1:29:32
victim's face, thus requiring a power supply and some heavy duty
1:29:35
equipment, yet is installed without a hitch, no one
1:29:38
interrupting the presumably noisy work and nobody
1:29:40
questioning the presence of such a device.
1:29:42
And I got to love the following scene for the wrong reasons.
1:29:44
Zeke picks the lock on his handcuffs using a hairpin and
1:29:47
then protects himself from high velocity shards using a dustbin.
1:29:50
This person has got to be British dustbin.
1:29:52
What the? Firstly, picking a lock is not
1:29:56
that simple. It can be done, but it takes
1:29:57
practice and time. Secondly, that bin ain't
1:30:00
protecting it. There's glass flying everywhere,
1:30:01
but that's okay. What's a few deep flesh wounds
1:30:03
to a tough guy like Zeke? The I'll considered script also
1:30:07
holds a few surprises regarding the identity of the killer.
1:30:10
As soon as Detective William Shank was declared dead without
1:30:12
showing how he was killed or why he was chosen, I knew I had my
1:30:15
man. And sure enough, one might say I
1:30:18
saw that coming. 3 1/2 out of 10, generously rounded up to
1:30:23
four for the finger trap, which is undeniably nasty.
1:30:27
I like that review. That was awesome.
1:30:28
Really well. They had a part about the
1:30:30
puppet, but I'm not including that because we've already
1:30:32
discussed the puppet at length, OK?
1:30:34
Yeah. I mean, yeah, that is some good
1:30:37
things. I mean, I I agree.
1:30:39
Like we talked about the basement and like the evidence
1:30:42
room where they had that one. But I never even thought about
1:30:45
the subway one because, yeah, like another train would have
1:30:49
hit that. Yeah, like unless it was like
1:30:53
how did he hang it up? Like, yeah, I've got a lot of
1:30:55
questions and I need, I need a making of, but like a
1:30:57
mockumentary type making of of the traps.
1:31:00
That's a fun. That's a fun idea, that.
1:31:02
Is a fun. Idea, fan film idea.
1:31:05
If anybody wants to work on that, we can do.
1:31:08
That OK. OK, All right.
1:31:11
Internet reviews. OK, you mean listener reviews?
1:31:15
Yes, listener reviews. You just did the Internet
1:31:17
review. That's right.
1:31:17
Yep. OK, so we got a couple here.
1:31:21
I'll start off on Instagram, Cubesafe says.
1:31:24
Backwards hats always make you look younger.
1:31:27
Facts. Facts for sure.
1:31:29
I mean, throw in a mustache or a goatee and you're golden.
1:31:32
You look like a little baby. That's why Travis looks like
1:31:34
he's about 18 years old most of the time.
1:31:36
Backwards, cap and A and a mustache or his or his things.
1:31:40
People don't know this simple trick.
1:31:42
It gets you far in the world. Doctors hate this one.
1:31:45
Simple. Trick, Michael B Howard says.
1:31:48
Oh, Spiral. I wanted to really love this
1:31:50
one. I've seen it now four times and
1:31:52
I'm just not the biggest fan. I feel like this was a great
1:31:55
detective movie. If we had left it at that, I
1:31:57
would have enjoyed it much better.
1:31:59
The traps are not very exciting and the plot is meant.
1:32:01
The jigsaw voice was very odd. All in all, not a favorite, but
1:32:05
being a SAW fan, I will bump it a couple of notches.
1:32:09
I'm going with a solid 6.25 for this.
1:32:11
I'm hoping that when I listen to the show I may feel different.
1:32:14
Maybe we've convinced you. Yeah, maybe.
1:32:17
And you know what? I get it like if you want more
1:32:20
of an actual, like, real saw film, I get that.
1:32:25
I now that I've seen it, I always go into it as like, I
1:32:29
know that it's not SAW. Yeah, but it is.
1:32:31
But it's not. Adjusted expectations, which I'm
1:32:34
sure you would have by now since you've watched this like four
1:32:36
times too, so you know what you're getting, but yeah.
1:32:40
I definitely see what you're saying, that if like you're in
1:32:42
the mood for a Saw movie, depending on what you mean by
1:32:45
that, this isn't gonna be your first one that you go for.
1:32:48
Yeah, generally whenever I say to you, let's put on a saw, this
1:32:51
one isn't usually on the table like I'm running one of the
1:32:53
classics. Like usually when you're like
1:32:56
when you wanna watch this, you say, let's watch spiral.
1:32:58
Yeah, exactly. Like for when I'm wanting to
1:33:01
watch a Saw movie, I'm putting it between like 2 through.
1:33:04
Six, Yeah. Two through 6 are the ones that
1:33:06
we tend to rotate through the mouse.
1:33:07
Yeah, and probably socks when we get that.
1:33:12
I'm going to be buying that soon.
1:33:13
That way we have it. Yeah, because we need it for
1:33:15
next month. We do.
1:33:16
OK Over on Twitter, Aquile Boob says.
1:33:22
I was so out of the saw loop when I watched this one.
1:33:25
I hadn't seen any since 4:00. I think.
1:33:27
Really enjoyed this one though. That opening seemed brutal.
1:33:30
The traps are intense. And that reveal, I'll be honest,
1:33:32
I would have taken Shinx offer dirty cops.
1:33:35
Got to go. Hey, man, you know what?
1:33:38
Like, it's a that's chaotic good right there.
1:33:40
That's the bad good. But he, he's trying to do a good
1:33:43
thing. It's just very misguided.
1:33:45
Yeah. Yeah.
1:33:47
I mean, if it's like a thing where like, they're still
1:33:49
running on Article 8 and they're killing people at random, like,
1:33:52
yeah, I guess, like it's time to just, you know, fight back in
1:33:55
that case. But you know, yeah, in this
1:33:59
situation, he's just, you know, he's like, yeah, they kind of
1:34:01
sucked and they killed my dad. So I'm going to kill everybody.
1:34:03
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a little bit of revenge and that's a
1:34:06
little bit of cleaning up the system.
1:34:08
And I I think it's really funny that we've had all of this talk
1:34:10
about love and the Saw movies and then people coming into this
1:34:13
and not loving it because it doesn't feel like Saw.
1:34:15
So I think it's interesting. But if you haven't watched all
1:34:18
of them and then you watch this being like, Oh yeah, I really
1:34:20
like this. That is kind of cool because
1:34:21
it's also like. A different perspective.
1:34:24
On it. Well then also like, I feel like
1:34:26
people are probably like, well, I can jump in.
1:34:28
No, this one, I'm not going to be missing anything.
1:34:30
Yeah, you know, like then that's true.
1:34:31
You could watch this one and not watch any of the other Saw
1:34:34
movies and be totally fine. It's kind of like when we're
1:34:36
doing The Hunger Games movies, watch through and you're like,
1:34:39
wouldn't we start with the prequel?
1:34:40
And I was like, no. Yeah, it makes more sense after
1:34:43
the fact that you're watching. All the others, yeah, there's
1:34:45
too much that's in there. But this isn't necessarily like
1:34:47
that. No, this is a spin off.
1:34:48
Yeah, this could. You could just watch it on.
1:34:50
It's on it to be fine. Yeah, OK.
1:34:53
And final reviews from Tyler. I had the hardest time with this
1:34:57
entry. Some of the traps were good.
1:34:58
The broken glass cannon was insane, I didn't like Chris
1:35:01
Rock's character. The villain reveal was mad at
1:35:03
me. And how the hell did Sam Jackson
1:35:05
get here? May require a second watch, but
1:35:09
I was disappointed. Those are all good questions.
1:35:11
Yeah, I think it's a movie that's better on the second
1:35:13
watch because like, you know, you already know that you know
1:35:17
what's going to happen instead of just being kind of, like
1:35:19
bummed out that you figure it out or like trying to understand
1:35:22
the characters. Like you can just turn your
1:35:24
brain off and go along for the rad.
1:35:25
Yeah, and I I like the traps in this one.
1:35:28
I wouldn't necessarily go to this movie if I'm looking for a
1:35:30
Saw movie with good traps, but I would go to this one if I wanted
1:35:34
a saw movie that was a little bit more grounded and plot.
1:35:39
I mean, even though this movie's not very grounded but like it's
1:35:42
more plot. Driven Yeah.
1:35:44
There's a lot more plot to this than in a typical song like.
1:35:46
The other one's like a soap opera, but it's always like
1:35:49
following them, going through these trap mazes, and then also
1:35:53
like a little bit of detective stuff on the side.
1:35:55
This one focuses way more on the detective aspect.
1:35:57
Yeah. Yeah.
1:35:59
OK. So that's our reviews there.
1:36:01
OK. All right, so next week.
1:36:05
Well this weekend we have a 2 beer not to be brought to you by
1:36:08
Jesse and this week Scary Movie. Scary movie.
1:36:12
That was our Patreon vote and I do believe that we are going to
1:36:14
bring a fellow podcaster and our favorite Canadian, Steve, from
1:36:19
the decision. Reel this is.
1:36:22
One of his favourites and we knew whenever the time came to
1:36:25
cover this that we would need to, we couldn't have anyone
1:36:28
else. Every movie is always led to a
1:36:29
discussion about scary movies somehow.
1:36:32
So yeah, this is like it's all been building up to this right
1:36:35
here. Right now you can watch Scary
1:36:39
Movie on Sling TV Max, YouTube Primetime, Hulu Premium, Prime
1:36:44
Premium, YouTube TV Premium, or you can rent it from Google Play
1:36:47
or Fandango at home. I also I want to stress this
1:36:49
wasn't planned because they were booting the series.
1:36:52
This is just like a happy coincidence.
1:36:53
Yeah, it just had like we we threw up a couple of horror
1:36:56
comedies for the vote for our budget patrons and this is the
1:37:01
one that won. And it just that.
1:37:03
I think it was like that same day we saw the announcement, but
1:37:06
they're rebooting it. I just saw it this past week.
1:37:09
No, I saw it. I saw it like, shortly after.
1:37:12
Really. The vote was done.
1:37:13
Yeah. Wow.
1:37:14
OK, yeah. So yeah, I'm excited.
1:37:17
It's a really fun movie, so it's gonna be a good time.
1:37:19
So yeah, watch it if you can and come check back next Thursday
1:37:23
and. Yeah, and if you haven't watched
1:37:25
it in a while, I'd honestly recommend watching it again
1:37:28
because it's one of those that you're like.
1:37:29
I feel like it's dumb humor that I liked back then, but then you
1:37:32
watch it and you're like, it is dumb humor that I liked back
1:37:35
then, but it's actually still pretty fucking.
1:37:36
Funny that hits. It's the stuff that lasts.
1:37:38
You know what I mean? That's the shit right there that
1:37:40
shaped your sense of humor as a kid.
1:37:42
Yeah, and I mean, the Wayans brothers are just.
1:37:44
They're so funny. They're so fucking funny.
1:37:46
So it's it's a good time. We watched the honestly about as
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much as we watch the Saw movies. We'll go through the three, the
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the three, the first three scary movies.
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Yeah. All right.
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Cool. So, yeah, be on the lookout for
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that. Yeah.
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Really cool. All right.
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So I think that's it for Spiral. So we will see you guys with our
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To Be or Not to Be coming out this weekend.
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All right. Until next time.
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Bye. Can tell you enough.
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I've been on to you.