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HORROR: MADELINE SOTO, 13, 'SLEPT IN BED' WITH MOM'S BOYFRIEND NIGHT BEFORE MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Pure horror.
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  Speaker 2: Maddie Soto, just thirteen years old, slept in the bed
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  Speaker 2: with mommies live in the night before her murder. This
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  Speaker 2: as disturbing details emerge about the crime, saying and well
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  Speaker 2: that's not all shocking. Prison emails go back and forth
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  Speaker 2: between the suspect mommies live in lover and they seemingly
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  Speaker 2: blow this case wide open. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Madeline is thirteen years old.
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  Speaker 3: She has been missing since eight thirty on Monday morning,
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  Speaker 3: when mom's boyfriend dropped her off near Hunter's Creek Middle School.
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  Speaker 3: He dropped her off actually near the Piece United Methodist
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  Speaker 3: Church on Town Boulevard.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so she was supposed to be dropped off by school.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't make it to school, didn't make it a school.
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  Speaker 2: I went to pick her up from school today and she.
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  Speaker 1: Never came out.
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  Speaker 4: They announced it all the speaker, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 4: maybe she walked here, because sometimes she'll walk here to
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  Speaker 4: this office.
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  Speaker 1: I came here nothing. I went back to the school.
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  Speaker 1: We were closed.
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  Speaker 2: I got to notice an email from the school thing
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  Speaker 2: she was absent.
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  Speaker 1: But I also messaged her teacher, and you looked at
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  Speaker 1: her entire tennis.
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  Speaker 2: Today and saw that she was completely not at school
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  Speaker 2: today either, So she.
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  Speaker 1: Never made it. Okay, what's her name? Madeline? I'm a
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  Speaker 1: d e O, I Annie, I'm a d.
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  Speaker 5: Out any any last name?
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  Speaker 1: So's ohto?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Is it just me and my projecting words?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody just a little too calm In that video, that's
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  Speaker 2: Madeline's mother and the living standing behind her, like.
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  Speaker 1: What what?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 1: Why is everybody so calm?
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  Speaker 2: Mattie is missing and she has been missing for a
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  Speaker 2: considerable period of time. When that happens, now, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to think about what you just saw
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  Speaker 2: with the backdrop of a new evidence we are learning,
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  Speaker 2: and that is that Mommy's car went back and forth
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  Speaker 2: to where Mattie's body was dumped before it was discovered.
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  Speaker 1: Let that sink in Mommy's car.
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  Speaker 2: Went back and forth between the home where little Mattie
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  Speaker 2: slept routinely with Mommy's boyfriend alone, to where her body
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  Speaker 2: was dumped.
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  Speaker 1: It's caught on surveillance video.
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  Speaker 2: Who was driving it don't know, but it was Mommy's
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  Speaker 2: car that I do know. Now to hear from the
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  Speaker 2: horse's mouth listen.
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  Speaker 1: Is this like, does she like have any places that
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  Speaker 1: you guys know that she'll usually be at.
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  Speaker 5: Any friend's house, any places that she has to hang
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  Speaker 5: out or typically?
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  Speaker 1: No, not typically?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just give you one second, let me get some
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  Speaker 2: thank you for football. Yeah, we don't have any idea
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  Speaker 2: where she might be joining me an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. First,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go out to Shannon Butler, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: WFTV nine on this case from the beginning and giving
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  Speaker 2: me a lot of information I'm not getting from the
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  Speaker 2: outside looking in.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon, Thank you for being with us. Shannon.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to disturbing, disturbing descriptions and details are getting
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  Speaker 2: about the crime scene, I'm floored about how often the suspect,
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  Speaker 2: which some people are describing as Maddie's stepdad, he's not
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  Speaker 2: her stepfather. Let's just be clear about that. How many
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  Speaker 2: times he was sleep in the bed with her. But
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  Speaker 2: that's a whole other can of worms. I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the evidence, the evidence regarding Mommy's car, going
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  Speaker 2: back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Then we'll get to all of.
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  Speaker 2: Sterns, the suspect, the murder suspect, all of his emails,
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  Speaker 2: whining from behind bars about his food, his mattress, the walls,
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  Speaker 2: and his cell really really.
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  Speaker 1: But first, let's talk about that car. What do we
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  Speaker 1: know about that vehicle?
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  Speaker 7: Listen shocking new revelations in the Mattie Sodo murder investigation.
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  Speaker 7: Investigators release information about Stefan Sterns and tracking the silver
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  Speaker 7: Lincoln he was driving. But now detectives say they tracked
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  Speaker 7: another vehicle, a white Nissan om by Mattie's mother Jennifer,
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  Speaker 7: making an identical trip as was made in the Lincoln,
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  Speaker 7: from the apartment to where Maddie's body was found. Detectives
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  Speaker 7: don't get a clean look at the driver, but the
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  Speaker 7: Nissan was driven from the apartment to the body in
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  Speaker 7: the middle of the night, twelve hours after Stearns was
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  Speaker 7: seen driving his Lincoln to the same area.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, straight out.
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  Speaker 2: To Shannon Butler, joining US investigative reporter WFTV nine, Shannon,
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  Speaker 2: what can you tell me about mommy's car going to
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  Speaker 2: the location where Maddie's body is ultimately found.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we don't know who the driver is, and that,
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  Speaker 6: of course is one of the biggest questions we get
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  Speaker 6: right now, is who's driving that car? The running theory
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  Speaker 6: is that it was Stephen Sterns that went back to
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  Speaker 6: the alleged scene of that crime. But there is so
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  Speaker 6: much speculation and doubts surrounding Madeline Soto's mother that it's
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  Speaker 6: hard for people not to question whether or not she
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  Speaker 6: was behind the wheel and went back down to that
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  Speaker 6: same location where Madelisoto's body was. At that point, that
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  Speaker 6: body would have still been in that area because it
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  Speaker 6: was days later before they found her. So it's hard
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  Speaker 6: for us speak as investigators. Didn't get a good look
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  Speaker 6: of the driver to figure out who was behind the wheel,
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  Speaker 6: But there are a lot of a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 6: Could it have been Jen Sodo?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Shannon Butler, you just said, Shanna joining us WFTV nine,
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  Speaker 2: you just said, with so much suspicion swirling around Maddie's mother,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about thirteen year old Madeline Sotto found dead.
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  Speaker 1: She had been sex assaulted.
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  Speaker 2: I was counting back the years, maybe to age at
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  Speaker 2: age nine, that we're getting conflicting reports on that by
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  Speaker 2: mommy's live in. It's very difficult for me to believe
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  Speaker 2: mommy had no idea what was going on under her
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  Speaker 2: own roof, even sending.
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  Speaker 1: Her daughter to bed with her living lover.
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  Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, he alternated between the Soto home and
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  Speaker 2: his own mother.
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  Speaker 1: What was he just living down in the basement.
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  Speaker 2: There anyway, so much suspicion around the mom, as we're
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  Speaker 2: hearing from Shannon Butler. But the mom is not a suspect.
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  Speaker 2: The mom is not a person of the interest at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's entirely possible the suspect her boyfriend was driving her
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  Speaker 2: car back to the scene. And you know, that's a
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  Speaker 2: really interesting question to Tim Jansen joining US, high profile
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  Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney, former federal prosecutor, and analyst for the
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  Speaker 2: Tallahassee Democrats newspaper, joining us from the Florida jurisdiction, Tim Jansen,
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  Speaker 2: why do criminals go back, circle, back to the scene
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  Speaker 2: of the crime?
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  Speaker 1: I always think of Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: How many times did he go back and look off
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  Speaker 2: into San Francisco Bay where he dumped his wife, Lacy
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  Speaker 2: and their unborn son Connor. He's tracked There was a
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  Speaker 2: GPS monitor on his car, ding ding figure that out,
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  Speaker 2: and they were tracking going back and forth where he
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  Speaker 2: would stand gazing out there, what to see if her
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  Speaker 2: body had washed up yet? And we're seeing the same
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  Speaker 2: thing here. He goes back and forth to where Mallin's
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  Speaker 2: body is.
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  Speaker 5: Why, well, you know it's interesting. Brian Kohlberger did the
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  Speaker 5: same thing after the Idaho murders. He was there the
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  Speaker 5: next morning. They go either looking for their trophies, watching
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  Speaker 5: what they did, or they're trying to cover up and
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  Speaker 5: see if this crime has been disclosed. So the curiosity,
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  Speaker 5: the adrenaline they get, maybe trying to cover something they
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  Speaker 5: felt they forgot, or going back to see if the
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  Speaker 5: police have found their bad deeds.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the adrenaline and they want to find
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  Speaker 2: out who's looking. Have I been discovered? Coburger is a
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  Speaker 2: very good example. And you know what else, Jansen, the
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  Speaker 2: returning to the scene. A good defense attorney like you
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  Speaker 2: will argue, well, that means nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Tell that to a juri.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Jansen, go ahead and tell the jury it means
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  Speaker 2: nothing when a suspect goes back and forth to the
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  Speaker 2: scene of the crime and just stands there and stares. Well,
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  Speaker 2: to me, I'm not a shrink, but it means something
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  Speaker 2: to me. I'm getting off track. There's so much happening
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  Speaker 2: in the Madeline Soto case right now. I've got to
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  Speaker 2: get to all of it. But right now, remember we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to determine who was driving Mommy's car after Maddie
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  Speaker 2: goes missing and before her body is found, back and
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  Speaker 2: forth to where the body is ultimately found.
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  Speaker 5: She's got a device, so.
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  Speaker 1: School should should should be It'll try to everybody's so calm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to speculate on why they're so calm
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  Speaker 2: when Maddie is missing. Let me go to an expert
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  Speaker 2: with me. Robin Drake, behavior expert and former FBI special.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Wait for it.
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  Speaker 2: He was the chief of FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program
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  Speaker 2: and author of Sizing People Up, a veteran FBI agent's
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  Speaker 2: manual for behavior prediction, and you can find him at
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  Speaker 2: peopleformula dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Robindrake, I told.
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  Speaker 2: You about the time when I was looking for organic
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  Speaker 2: sun tanlation in a baby superstore and I was like
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  Speaker 2: all down on the very bottom shelf, bent over double
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  Speaker 2: looking to try to find it. I turned around and
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  Speaker 2: there was Lucy, but no John David. I started screaming.
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  Speaker 2: I put her under my arm like a football and
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  Speaker 2: started running toward the front of the store because there
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  Speaker 2: were all glass windows. Screaming help me find my son,
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  Speaker 2: lock the doors.
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  Speaker 1: My son is lost.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's just me, So am I projecting? Or
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  Speaker 2: are these two calm as a cucumber?
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  Speaker 8: No, you're absolutely right. They are way too calm as
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  Speaker 8: a cucumber, as you say. And the car and who's
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  Speaker 8: driving it, to me, is a smaller part of a
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  Speaker 8: whole in this entire case. I'm shocked that Madeline is
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  Speaker 8: the entire circle around her and that the mother hasn't
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  Speaker 8: been charged yet because this to me, and every time
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  Speaker 8: we have a child that's been abused, and every time
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  Speaker 8: we have a child that looks like they may have
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  Speaker 8: been even part of something greater than just one single pedophile,
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  Speaker 8: there's a I think there's a network involved here, and
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  Speaker 8: I think there's gonna be a lot of tendrils that
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  Speaker 8: go out, and I think that's why the investigation is
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  Speaker 8: taken as long as it has and there's as many
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  Speaker 8: witnesses going to be called, because I've been involved with cases.
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  Speaker 2: A minute up, Robin Drake, hold on just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean you think a network is involved?
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  Speaker 8: So every time you have a case like this, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: where you have a sexual potential sexual predator, if it's
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  Speaker 8: a serial sexual predator, which he's been doing this a
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  Speaker 8: number of years, says that he might be serial. You
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  Speaker 8: can have an uppers of two to four hundred children
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  Speaker 8: that have been affected, either through trafficking of their pornographic
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  Speaker 8: images or of them themselves, and so a lot of
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  Speaker 8: times these investigations take a long time to ferret out
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  Speaker 8: who's actually involved. And so every time you see a
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  Speaker 8: behavior arc of not just the individual of Sterns, but
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  Speaker 8: a network of entire family members potentially acting very nonchalant
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  Speaker 8: about this, it gives investigators a lot of leads on
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  Speaker 8: where to potentially look to see how far this network goes.
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  Speaker 9: Thirteen year old Madeline Soto murdered sexually abused by mom's boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: And that's kind of putting perfume on the pig, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it's sexually abused. We're talking about does and dozens. I think, Shannon,
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  Speaker 2: how many sex related videos and photos were found on
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  Speaker 2: Stern's as mommy's boyfriend's phone.
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  Speaker 1: How many ballpark hundreds.
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  Speaker 6: Hundreds, hundreds and hundreds there were videos, there were pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and I think it's actually in this new data
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  Speaker 2: dump we're getting, which, of course you are the one
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  Speaker 2: that alerted us to that, Shannon Butler, and thank you.
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  Speaker 2: They're literally thousands, seventeen hundred explicit sex photos of Madeline,
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  Speaker 2: thousands thousands on Stearn's phone.
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  Speaker 1: Where was a mommy when all this was happening?
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  Speaker 2: Why do we know it's Madeline, that's the child victim
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  Speaker 2: on the phone because in charging documents and other data
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  Speaker 2: we have reviewed, the victim is described as a child
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  Speaker 2: and the incidents, the rapes occurred in the home made
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  Speaker 2: one and side.
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  Speaker 1: So who is that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a girl, it's a child, and it's in Maddie's home,
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  Speaker 2: and it Stearns who is charged now with sixty plus
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  Speaker 2: sex related charges. So saying she was sex abuse, that
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  Speaker 2: hardly describes what this child went through. Now we also
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  Speaker 2: know that according to the documents, we've just gotten huge
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  Speaker 2: data dump the molestations, these videos on his phone. Some
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  Speaker 2: reports are that they go back to twenty nineteen. There
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  Speaker 2: are other dates stated as well, twenty nineteen. She's thirteen
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  Speaker 2: when she's murdered in twenty twenty four. This makes her
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  Speaker 2: eight or nine years old when these videos started being
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  Speaker 2: taken of her. So she's not just getting raped, She's
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  Speaker 2: not just getting potentially sodomized.
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  Speaker 1: He's videoing it. How many times do you use your
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  Speaker 1: husband's phone or grab your.
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  Speaker 2: Child's phone you don't see anything on there when there's
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  Speaker 2: nearly two thousand of these videos and photos. Okay, that said,
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: Stephen Stern slept with Madeleine Soto and her mother on
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  Speaker 4: a regular basis. Some night Stern would sleep with Madeline
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  Speaker 4: without her mother present, including the night before she was murdered.
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  Speaker 4: Jennifer Soto tells Mattie she has a really bad headache
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  Speaker 4: and tells Mattie to take Stephen Stern's and go sleep
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  Speaker 4: in an upstairs bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: I got a headache too, if I just spreading to
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  Speaker 2: my teeth now when I hear that, it wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: once in a while, it was all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not all. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Stephen Sterns and Madeleine Soto's mother, Jennifer broke up briefly
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  Speaker 4: in late twenty twenty three. Even while they are broken up,
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  Speaker 4: Stern's would sleep at the Soto household in a bed
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  Speaker 4: with Madeline. A woman who dates Sterns during his breakup
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  Speaker 4: with Jennifer, claims Sterns told her he had to sleep
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  Speaker 4: with Mattie, cuddle with her so she could go to sleep.
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  Speaker 4: The woman stopped talking to Stearns after he tells her
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  Speaker 4: of waking up with an erection while in the bed
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  Speaker 4: with the child.
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  Speaker 2: Our Friendnicoleparton from crimeonline dot Com really said that like
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  Speaker 2: she's reading the weather report or the farmer's almanac. Ho
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  Speaker 2: hold on just a moment, Shannon Butler joining me WFTV nine,
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  Speaker 2: No offense, no Cole Parton? But what did I just hear?
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  Speaker 2: Did I just hear that? Even after Steven Sterns, the
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  Speaker 2: murder suspect, had broken up with the mom, what he
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  Speaker 2: broke up with her? Really he would come back to
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  Speaker 2: the home to sleep with little Maddie, to cuddle her,
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  Speaker 2: to get her to sleep, and then he tells the
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  Speaker 2: new girlfriend he would get erection in bed with Maddie
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  Speaker 2: and it was so disgusting the woman broke up with him.
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  Speaker 1: Did I just hear that? You did?
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  Speaker 2: You?
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  Speaker 1: Did hear it?
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  Speaker 6: And we had even asked, like, did that woman ever
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  Speaker 6: report that to police, to anybody? And she and she didn't.
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  Speaker 6: You know, at the time, I think she was just
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  Speaker 6: trying to get away from him. But these are the
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  Speaker 6: things that just continue to come up, and everybody in
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  Speaker 6: that you know, interview process, seems like this is just normal, right, well,
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  Speaker 6: you know she slept with she slept with them when
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  Speaker 6: she you know, needed to get to sleep. It was
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  Speaker 6: just it was very very strange for us hearing that
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  Speaker 6: about how like this was just everyday business.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just I really occasionally I'm a speechless and
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  Speaker 2: this is one of those moments because I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 2: the life that Matti Soto endured in the home age
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  Speaker 2: eight or nine. Mommy's boyfriend starts riping her. There's it's
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  Speaker 2: not a nice way to say, oh, he slept in
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  Speaker 2: bed with her, he cuddled her.
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  Speaker 1: They had sex. That is a lie.
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  Speaker 2: That's rape under the law, and we cannot turn away
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  Speaker 2: from the black and white letter of the law. A
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  Speaker 2: child that age cannot consent to any type of sex conduct,
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  Speaker 2: just like they can't go buy a car, or liquor
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  Speaker 2: or cigarettes. They don't have the mental capacity to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, Doctor Jury Crasin, renowned psychologist faculty Saint Leo University,
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  Speaker 2: consultant with a Blue Wall Institute, and you can find
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  Speaker 2: him at doctor Jury j O r Eye dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jury does any woman really need a man that badly? Really?
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  Speaker 1: Just let me think about it.
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  Speaker 2: My sister's avit shirt that said a man a woman
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  Speaker 2: needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, and
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  Speaker 2: that really stuck with me at about age eight.
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  Speaker 1: So what is a woman willing to do to keep
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  Speaker 1: a man?
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  Speaker 10: Well, it goes to humility to locate or find a
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  Speaker 10: woman and establish a relationship that.
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  Speaker 6: Has a child.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, you see this in the pedophilia behavior numerous times,
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  Speaker 10: and one thing you want to look at is the
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  Speaker 10: age when this started and then how it ended with
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  Speaker 10: the homicide. They have preferred ages that they're attracted to
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  Speaker 10: and that they will maintain a relationship with. But once
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  Speaker 10: the child starts to age out through puberty or starting
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  Speaker 10: to develop, they'll usually start to look for another access
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  Speaker 10: to another child in their preferred age. That's a very
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  Speaker 10: common pedophilic behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I'm trying to decipher what you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Joey Crausen, you're the strength, I'm just a JD.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you're saying certain pedophiles go look specifically
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  Speaker 2: to establish a relationship with a woman that has a child.
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  Speaker 2: The age in which they're interested. Is that what you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just said?
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: That's correct?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, But and I appreciate that, and it's a
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: phenomena I want to explore with you. But I'm asking you,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: how badly do you need a man? I mean, after all,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: no offense to you, but what can they do that
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you can't do? Why do you have to have him
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: sleeping with your daughter under your own roof?
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let me.
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: Address both of those. The man has that ability to
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: whatever it takes to provide to the woman to.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Get access to the child.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: He's going to provide.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Provide what this guy didn't even work?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Did he work hold on Shannon but or did this
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: guy have a job or did he basically hang out
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: at his mom's basement in his spare time?
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty much what he did a lot about games.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So what does he bring it to the table. Nothing?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Why does she need him?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Back to my question, what is wrong with these women
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: that they keep child molesters in the home.
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: I've seen hundreds of those cases, and you know, even
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: I've looked at the lethality of living boyfriends to children
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: and it just it's phenomenal, you know, because mothers don't
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: protect their children you know, I'm in Florida.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: This case is in Florida. I'm in a different judicial circuit.
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: But we have regularly charged mothers with failure to protect.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You know what, that's exactly the charge. That's exactly the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: charge I'm thinking of doctor Jory Craws and failure to protect. Again,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Mattie's mother has not been named a suspect, has not
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: been named a person of interests.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: The reason we're even talking about her right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Now is because her car is spotted on video going
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: back and forth to where Mattie's body thirteen years old,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: it is found just dumped, dumped. Remember this, Remember Mattie
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: kept telling all of her friends when she turned thirteen
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: she wanted to leave home and go live in the woods.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder why listen from missing persons.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Detectives responded to take over the investigation, so they did
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: interviews with mom, mom's boyfriend, Mallan's friends from school. We
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: were able to access Madeline's phone and there is information
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: on the phone. They indicated that she told people when
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: she turned thirteen, which was on February twenty second, she
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: actually wanted to go live in the woods, so that
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: was in her phone.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: Investigators believe the female seen at seven thirty six am
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: and the surveillance video in the front passenger seat of
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Stephen Stern's vehicle is Madeleine Soto's dead body propped up
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: and buckled into the seat to appear as a living person,
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: but closer inspection of the video shows her head leaning
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: toward her shoulder with her mouth open. Stearns is caught
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: on surveillance video again at eight nineteen am when he
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: is seen entering the front security gate of the neighborhood
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: with a female in the same position as the surveillance
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: video captured at seven thirty six am.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to gloss over that. As we race
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: towards the newest developments, including the suspect, Mommy's boyfriend whining
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: behind bars about his mattress, his food, not having the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: right spoon.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: The walls in his cell.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: We also have emails that are emerging from his mom
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: back and forth to him, knowing full well they're going
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to be read about how somebody else she is involved,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: more crime scene details that reveal the nature of this crime.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: But to Shannon Butler joining me WFTV, I don't want
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to gloss over the fact that Madelin's dead body, this
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl that has been being raped and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: sodomized since ages eight or nine under mommy's nose. Her
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: dead body is propped up and buckled into the car.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Did I get that right, Shannon Butler?
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was part of his story, right. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: he goes in and out of that apartment complex, which
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: they did in the morning, on the way to school,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: so that way, if any of the neighbors or anything
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: saw him drive out, it wouldn't be unusual for Madeline to.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Be buckled into the seat.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: What he said to us and investigators is that she
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: slept on the way to school, so he was working that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: It appears into his story about how he took her
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: to school and she was asleep, but he did, I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: according to investigators, buckled that seatbelt and let her sit
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: there leaned over. It's just unbelievable, really, I mean.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Tim Jansen, criminal defense attorney, he is actually taloring a
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: very intricate lie that Mattie fell asleep on the way
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to school to cover up the fact that she's leaned
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: over with her eyes closed because she's dead.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, science technology is going to undermine the cameras that
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: were seen. Clearly, this guy's the evidence on the phone.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: He's a pedophile. He committed a sexual terrorism on this child.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: The mother.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Certainly had to know something or see something. The apartment
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: was very small, and to allow a child to sleep
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: in the bed at that age is just It seems
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: more like Mattie was an annoyance to the mother than
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: her actual daughter.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Guys, what more are we learning now?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, and I'm going to circle back
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to doctor Eric Ason regarding the years years of sex abuse.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: How that can be determined from an autopsy or if
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: it can be determined. But DeShannon Butler, I want to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: talk about his emails from behind prison walls. He complains
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: about everything from his mattress behind bars, not getting enough food.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I have never felt a full stomach, and have in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: fact forgotten what that is like. Really, there's never time
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: these days when I don't feel hungry. Have you heard
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: of the vending machine? The sale is small and filthy. Well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: how was your mom's basement? You could still be living
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: there if you had and murdered Mattie. The mat is
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: flat and has very little cushion left. I bet it
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: was nothing compared to sleeping in the bed with Mattie.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Those are a few things you can think about Stern's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: before you send any more emails. Shannon Butler, what is
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: this guy saying from behind bars?
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: You know that wasn't the first time. Right when he
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: was being transferred between jails, really early on, he first
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: started complaining about that first night that he spent in jail,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: that he had to use the toilet paper roll as
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: his pillow. That was the beginning of his complaints. So
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: we expected when we saw his emails that he would
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: start complaining more about how the treatment is there and
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: that how it's you know, it's not so comfortable behind bars.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, Robin Drake, former FBI Special Agent expert in behavioral analysis.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Robin, as soon as.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: We finish on air, I want you to run right
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: down to the jail with an allergen free, puffy, bouncy
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: pillow so he can get a good night's sleep. What
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: he can't sleep because of his pillow. He shouldn't be
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: able to sleep because Maddie is dead and he's whining
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: about his pillow. You know, this isn't the first time, Drake,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that I've seen a murder of defendants and later convicted
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: whine about their pillow, the dude, their diet, their amount
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of exercise. He's charged with a murder, and in my mind,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a lot fewer sex charges than are established, because if
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I've got two thousand, two, nearly two thousand photos and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: videos and most of them of this little girl on
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: his phone, he needs to be charged with every single
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: one of them, and when he's convicted, they all need
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to run consecutively there and he's talking about its pillow drake.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And I also don't think it's going to be
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: the only person they'd find.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: He's done this too.
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: You don't go from zero to one hundred in this
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: kind of case, because he's going to have a track
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: record established of this. He's got a lifetime pattern of
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: self centeredness.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And me me.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Me, all his primal urges and despicable behaviors.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I've obviously been placated for such a.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: Long time that he's got a level of expectation that
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: the world will continue to service him, and it just
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: leaks out of him at every single turn. And so
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: that's what we're seeing in the jailhouse, that's what we're
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: seeing in all these communications. And he's completely shocked that
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: he doesn't happen.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: What about this?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Do you see a pattern of behavior of getting taken
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: care of and whining and expecting everything to be handed
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to you. I mean, he's still technically even though he's
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: living with Madeline Soto's mother and their apartment which a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: lot of people thought this was a home, it's an apartment,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: which makes it much smaller. My point is, how could
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: she not know what was happening. He's living with her,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and he's living with his mother, He's not working.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: What is he doing?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Everyone is giving him a place to stay, food to eat.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he made his car payment. Maybe
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: mommy made the payment for him. But now same thing,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: same behavior carrying over behind bars wine wine wine.
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you hit it exactly right now, Nancy. It is
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: his lifetime behavior pattern, behavior arc of complete self centeredness
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: and narcissism, and it plays out in everything, and even
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: with his girlfriend that he had dated briefly. He's testing
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: that water by saying, hey, I slept and had an
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: erection with this little girl. You know, I think that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: a test to say, hey, could I manipulate you into
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: my circle? Because she's aging now. I mean It's a
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: lot of conjecture in my part, I know. But at
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: the same time, though this is what he does to
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: his entire environment. He manipulates it for his own gain,
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: and he's got such lifetime reps out as it. He
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: looks completely fluid and natural doing it, because this isn't
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: his first time in life or is his first rodeo
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: doing this.
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: The state seeks the death penalty for Stephen Stearns in
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: Madeleine Soto's murder case.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Is that a surprise?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: With two thousand explicit videos, many the majority stand of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Stephen Stern's performing sex acts on a child that lives
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in Maddie Soto's home, is anybody surprised that Florida is
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: seeking the death penalty? I'm not, But to doctor Eric Eson,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: doctor Eric Esen is a renowned board certified forensic pathologist,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a consultant doctor Eson, we know that her body was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: discarded out of the open, but in an obscure area,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: which is not hard to find in Florida. There's a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: lot of untamed land swamps inlets in Florida. How can
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a medical examiner tell if this was the first time
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Madeline had been raped or not? And with her body
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: lying out in the elements for several days, would that
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: preclude such a determination?
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: Well, that's going to make it tough. If the body's
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: been there for a couple of days and in the
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: heat in Florida, you're going to have the evidence of decomposition,
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: which is going to obscure some of the findings that
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: you're going to have an autopsy. But during the autopsy,
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: we're going to determine the cause of death, but also
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: assess for evidence of sexual assault, and so evidence of
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: the acute sexual assault would occur when the swabs are
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: placed in the various orifices to check for a DNA
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: that's there to compare from the DNA from the suspect.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Please do not say that, doctor Ason. We don't all
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: have medical degrees like you do. When you say they're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: going to put swab, they're going to swab Maddie's orifices.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: You are talking about euphemistically describing her mouth, her vagina,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and her ainus to see if she was right.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Told on Shannon Butler WFTV, how long do we.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Think that Maddie was lying out in the elements before
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: her body was found?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: How many deaths I think it was five days.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was four, but let's go with five,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: dodger Ason, how would five days down the elements affect
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the determination of internal orifices such as vagina or anus.
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: I mean you can still insert the swabs and collect
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: any evidence. As time goes on further, it's going to
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: be less have less of an ability to collect that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: I think you're also asking about remote sexual assault and
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: that's going to be very tough to determine after five
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: days out in the elements like this, Can I.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Just boil it down, dodger asen in a rape kit,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I know that if there is vagual tearing, if there
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: is bleeding inside the vagina or the anus, that may suggest.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: A recent rape.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: How would you be.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Able to tell, if her body have been found immediately
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: whether she had been raped in the past.
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: Well, you look for evidence of old bruising or old abrasions.
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: When bruises start to age, the color will change, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: so if you find evidence of a yellow and a bruise,
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: that indicates the bruise is older as compared to any
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: cute bruise, So you can check for that. That's definitely
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: one way to check for like an older type sexual.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Assault, so we may not be able to tell from
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: her body that she had endured molestation for years if
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it weren't for this idiot phone that reveals these thousands
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of photos. To Shannon Butler WFTV nine, I want you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to listen to this emails between the murder suspect and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: his mother in which she suggests someone else, a female,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: is involved.
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: Listen, Stern's mother is saying things like quote, we all
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: know Blank was heavily involved in this, and I am
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: disgusted that she's free and you or not when this
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: is not all your fault. You need to think about
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: yourself more and her less. She'sure isn't thinking of you
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: and how she can help you right now that whole
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: family is willing to stay quiet and let you take
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: the fall for everything.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Shelon Butler WFTV nine, what well.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I think that we expected some of this from his
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: family members, that they would start putting some of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: eyes back on Jen Soto. What we didn't know is
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: if he had told them something that we didn't. We
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: didn't know yet about if she was involved, or if
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: she wasn't involved, or if they're just doing this as
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: the show right. Everybody knows these things become public and
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: that everybody would be able to see what they were saying.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: But this was not a surprise to any of us
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: who have been working this story that the family would
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: start to raise some questions about Jen Soto and if
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: he was taking the fall for her.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: Search for Madaline Soto is ongoing. Investigators ask if they
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: can take a look at Stephan Stern's phone. Sterns then
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: informs the detectives he accidentally performed a factory reset on
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: the phone the same day Maddy went missing. A factory
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: reset can't be done on accident, has to be delivered
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: as it requires multiple steps by the user to ensure
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: that it doesn't happen by accident. Thousands of images, sexual photos,
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: and videos, mostly of Madeline, were recovered and led to
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: the sixty additional charges against Stephan sterns.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Over sixty charges, but over nineteen hundred explicit videos and photos.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I want to find out something else, she hanon Butler
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: or VESI has a reporter WFTV nine. This is an apartment,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: not a home as many people thought.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So how big is the apartment?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to gauge what was going on and what
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the mom should have known.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know, Well, it's not very big.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like a townhouse, so that there's an
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: upstairs and a downstairs. But there were other people, Like
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the night of her disappearance or murder, there were other
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: people in the home. But there was you know, there
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: was a there was bedrooms upstairs, but there was also
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: some kind of makeshift kind of bedroom that was kind
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: of cordoned off downstairs. And there was a lot of
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: question about if that's where you know, Madeline was sometimes laying.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: So the home is very small. If you're talking about
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: what could you hear or not hear in some kind
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: of house, it is it is fairly small. I mean
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: it's an average town hall. You know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you something else before we sign off.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: It's my understanding that Maddie's friends tell police that Maddie
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: was constantly being texted and called by Stern. Stephan Stern,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend back to Robin Drake, that's textbook.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's classic.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I trust my children, but when I see them on
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the phone all the time or they're on a video
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: all the time, I got.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Who you're talking to? Who's that?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Don't you think it's odd nobody wondered why the boyfriend
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was constantly calling this little girl and texting her.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, constantly isolating her, controlling her environment. That's what these
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: horrible sexual predators do. And that's exactly what he was
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: doing Maddie the entire time.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: And as for the mother making those comments via text
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: too or in an email, I don't care what it is.
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: You know, as an investigator, put my investigator hat on
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: for a second. If you're opening your mouth like that,
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: I'm now looking.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: At you too.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: So I think this is a network of really important
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: behavior by a lot of people, and he just happens
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: to be to point to the spirit we're going to
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: take down first, and I think we're going to save
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: a lot of people in this one.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Doctor Jorey Craulsen, renowned psychologists joining US faculty Saint Leo University.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Another thing is I noticed that Stefan Stern states that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: he was the one who would comfort little Maddie when
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: she would get into an art argument with her mom. Okay,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: there you go, coming between the child and her parent.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's text book, doctor Jory. Yes, it is.
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: It's that dependent personnelity pality that on the mother. I mean,
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: she's very dependent. Also, you can see that relationship in
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: the dynamics where she readily turns anything over to him.
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: Dealing with the daughter.
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: You know, it's not a good attachment in bonding, maternal bonding. There.
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  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Matti Soto case, please dial four zero seven eight four
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  Speaker 2: six three three three three.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Look at your ring camera footage.
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  Speaker 2: Think back on the day that this occurred, fab at
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty four. Where were you were you
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  Speaker 2: in this vicinity. Police are still putting together this case,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and as you heard Robin Drake state, it may be
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  Speaker 2: more far reaching than we initially believed. But right now
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  Speaker 2: there is nothing we can do for Matti Soto except
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: seek justice. That number four zero seven eight four six
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  Speaker 2: three three three three. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,