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Ben and Ashley Tell All · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with her radio. We're starting this podcast off with some
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Speaker 1: news that Ben just informed me about, Like crapply, he
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Speaker 1: just found a black widow, just like right now, found
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Speaker 1: a black widow yure right now, right before we press
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Speaker 1: the record, Yeah, I did. Do you know how scared
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Speaker 1: I am most spiders, let alone one that is actually poisonous,
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Speaker 1: Like you could die, I could have. Yeah, I guess well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a big guy, but like my puppy,
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Speaker 1: my wife's My wife's a tiny human, little Jess, like
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Speaker 1: she'd have ten minutes to go to the hospital. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it crazy that things like that could just crawl into
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Speaker 1: our house and something that big could truly just kill us?
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Speaker 1: Am I being an alarmist a little bit? I mean
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Speaker 1: I didn't think of it to this. So what happened
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Speaker 1: was we had Jesse's brother and sister in law in
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Speaker 1: town this weekend and it was awesome. Uh, we had
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Speaker 1: a really incredible time. They stayed in our basement and
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Speaker 1: then this morning before they left, they were downstairs and
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Speaker 1: we found in the room that they're sleeping in a
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Speaker 1: black widow on the wall. Now, I am a little
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Speaker 1: bit less wearisome because here's what happened. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you guys remember this story from a few years
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Speaker 1: ago at my former house before Jessica and I moved.
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Speaker 1: I went to my garage one day and there was
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Speaker 1: all these little nests and eggs everywhere inside the garage.
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Speaker 1: It was a detached garage in the back of the yard. Um,
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Speaker 1: thank good Lord. And uh, wall of a sudden, I'm
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Speaker 1: like looking at the eggs and I noticed that it's
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Speaker 1: Mother's on all of them, and it's black widows. We
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Speaker 1: had an infestation in the garage where my office was.
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Speaker 1: I had built my office in said the garage, and
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Speaker 1: so inside like my office in my garage where I
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Speaker 1: used to record this podcast. Uh, they found over three
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Speaker 1: black widow and so, oh my god, yeah, oh my god.
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Speaker 1: The imagery I would I don't know what i'd rather do.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything in this world that I
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Speaker 1: that I would be scared of. It would be less, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that I would be more scared of than seeing the fit.
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Speaker 1: Like there's something about that creepy, crawling body. I know
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Speaker 1: they're tiny, but I would rather feel like I would
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Speaker 1: I'd rather face a shark or an alligator. Interest think
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Speaker 1: interesting thought? Okay continue? Sorry, Yeah, so we're in the
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Speaker 1: process today. Jessica obviously isn't it like a massive fan
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Speaker 1: of spiders, And so my afternoon is going to look
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Speaker 1: like working and then also trying to figure out the
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Speaker 1: best way to uh rid my house in the safest
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Speaker 1: ways possible of black widows and make sure that there
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Speaker 1: aren't a ton crawling in the sheets and crawling around
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Speaker 1: in the beds. Um. So I'm gonna do a whole
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Speaker 1: lookout if you hear some stuff going on the background,
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Speaker 1: I do have a couple of people out right now
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Speaker 1: looking through uh the house, making sure um that there's
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Speaker 1: no like, no immediate threat because they are pretty dangerous,
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Speaker 1: but they are there are pretty creepy to like when
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Speaker 1: I'm not usually that scared of spiders, but when you
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Speaker 1: see a black widow, like the black with the hourglass
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Speaker 1: on the on the bottom of it, um, it looks
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Speaker 1: like it wants to destroy you, Like it just looks
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Speaker 1: like it's ready to pound. So that's my morning. Actually,
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Speaker 1: it's been a great morning. I've got to work out
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Speaker 1: in I found a spider uh and now to watch
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Speaker 1: this lovely episode one that the fans they're going wild
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Speaker 1: over they thought it was the most fantastic thing they've
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Speaker 1: ever seen. That's not true, No, not not not true.
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Speaker 1: So so we're gonna jump into recapping the episode. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know how much recapping we're gonna do of
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Speaker 1: the recap, So we're gonna break this up into two sections.
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Speaker 1: Because of the fans reaction and because I think of
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Speaker 1: most people's reaction, Uh, it would be hard. I honestly
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Speaker 1: don't know if I saw one positive comment about the
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Speaker 1: show last night on Twitter or on Instagram. So both
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Speaker 1: because we break down the show actually and I want
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Speaker 1: to try to give a little perspective to what was happening.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna break it up a no positive and
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Speaker 1: negative section. What was positive about this show? And then
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Speaker 1: what was negative? What? What? What things do we feel
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Speaker 1: like we just missed on? Because I do think the
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Speaker 1: show missed on some stuff. I do find it a
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Speaker 1: little confusing. But let's jump into the positive first, which
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Speaker 1: is who one of my favorite you know, members of
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Speaker 1: this show this season is Aven. I've liked David since
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Speaker 1: the beginning. I think you have to. I feel like
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Speaker 1: he is especially on this hometown actually that's how you
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Speaker 1: kick it off. I feel like he is quieter than
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Speaker 1: I expected him to be. Um, I felt like he
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Speaker 1: could be. I think he's a sweet guy, and I
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Speaker 1: actually think he could probably be the one at the
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Speaker 1: end because he is. He listens well, he's considerate, he
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Speaker 1: was definitely receptive of his dad and mom's advice. But
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Speaker 1: he is quieter than I expected. Um. We don't, honestly,
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Speaker 1: as much as I like him, I just don't know
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Speaker 1: a lot about him yet. I really don't have much
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Speaker 1: to add. I completely agree with you. I like the
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Speaker 1: fact that his hometown is Salem. Just looking around was
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Speaker 1: fun for a second, which Jay was a little silly,
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Speaker 1: but you know, when you're in Salem, you must. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I liked his parents. I don't think that they were
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Speaker 1: nearly as scary as he prepped Rachel for being. And
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Speaker 1: he is just that nice, sweet, good looking guy. There's
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Speaker 1: really there's I got no complaints about him. Well, there
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Speaker 1: is a comment here something that I felt as a
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Speaker 1: viewer I did not enjoy, and I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I've ever recognized this until this episode. I I like
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Speaker 1: hometowns a lot. I think it's a fun episode, but
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Speaker 1: their date, even though yeah, you're in Salem and stuff,
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Speaker 1: it didn't help me know anything more about him. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I really feel like. Hometowns are meant to be,
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Speaker 1: like what do you do in your hometown? Even like
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Speaker 1: how do you spend your day? Even if it's as
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Speaker 1: simple is going to like the high school you know
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Speaker 1: and meeting and showing off your old high school, or
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Speaker 1: going to your favorite restaurant in town, Like, I'm not
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Speaker 1: looking for an extravagant date in your hometown. I just
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Speaker 1: want to learn something about what your daily life looks like,
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Speaker 1: or what your daily life looked like when you lived
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Speaker 1: in this town. And I feel like their date didn't
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Speaker 1: give me any of that. And so I leave this
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Speaker 1: day against saying I like, even I think he's he
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Speaker 1: seems great, I just don't know anything about him yet.
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Speaker 1: That was actually quite perspective, like you had a great
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Speaker 1: That was intuitive of you to pick up on that,
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Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, of course a great something
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Speaker 1: like this, not thinking that they could have utilized it better. Sure,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Salem obviously has the history and
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Speaker 1: has the kind of uh the known factor of what
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Speaker 1: Salem is for and what goes on there, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that's a huge part of their culture as a town.
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Speaker 1: It sure is like they live for Halloween. Sure, and
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Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's great. Well, but even I want to
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Speaker 1: know more about what you do. I mean, maybe this
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Speaker 1: was what you do, but I never heard it during
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Speaker 1: the episode where he told Rachel, Hey, this is how
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Speaker 1: I spend my days in Salem, like going to these shops.
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Speaker 1: That had been fine if that's the thing, but it
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Speaker 1: would have helped me at least know Um, but he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he spends time going to those shops
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Speaker 1: it was. I don't think he does either. But it
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Speaker 1: was also odd to me Ashley Um that this hometown
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Speaker 1: air during this episode. It definitely kind of threw me off,
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Speaker 1: like it was a weird switch, but I got back
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Speaker 1: into it. The positives of this. I thought Even's parents
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Speaker 1: were great. They were the perfect amount of not harsh
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Speaker 1: but inquisitive of concerned, also excited. I thought they had
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Speaker 1: a good mix. They balanced each other out well, um,
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Speaker 1: and they made sure to ask good questions. But they
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Speaker 1: definitely didn't uh leave Rachel or even. I don't think
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Speaker 1: looking for wondering if there are support for the two
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Speaker 1: of them together. You you left wondering if there was
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Speaker 1: the support. There's good support. Yeah, yeah, I said, they're
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Speaker 1: they're the perfect mix. Where I didn't watch it and go,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, are they for or against this whole thing? No,
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Speaker 1: they asked good questions, they were concerned, they were inquisitive,
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Speaker 1: they pressured and pushed a little bit, but they also
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Speaker 1: gave the validation to the two of them that hey,
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Speaker 1: if you guys are adults, if you're into this and
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Speaker 1: you want to run with this, go for it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was like perfect parenting. It's great. I mean. And
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Speaker 1: then and honestly, uh, and and this we're still in
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Speaker 1: the positive section of this podcast. We were still speaking
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Speaker 1: positively about this episode because we want to pull some
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Speaker 1: good things out. Uh. The dad was a huge hit
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. He was He was such a cutie, very
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Speaker 1: very sweet. Many definitely handled it in a way that
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Speaker 1: like Tino's dad could have last week where he is
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Speaker 1: a little skeptical um wants them to remain in the
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Speaker 1: real world, but did it with an attitude that was supportive. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so onto then the mental awe which happened after the
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Speaker 1: hometown date. Again, just to be clear, we're speaking on
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Speaker 1: the positives right now, so we're not going to mention
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Speaker 1: that we didn't see the road ceremony, because that wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be a positive in our minds. But the positives and
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Speaker 1: the mente all Ashley, what stood out to you that
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Speaker 1: you fought felt was um genuine, sincere, likable, loving and
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Speaker 1: added to the to the to this whole storyline the season. Well,
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Speaker 1: you're not to put you on the spot. Definitely spot,
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Speaker 1: but you're not gonna like my aunts. It was the
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Speaker 1: commercial for the Bros ad for the movie that I
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Speaker 1: was actually like, ah, I would like to see this.
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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, that's it. I uh, let's see. Let me
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Speaker 1: let me scroll through these notes here for a second.
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Speaker 1: The Paradise preview. That was fun. Actually, we're not even
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Speaker 1: talking about the show anymore. Even though twenty seven percent
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Speaker 1: of the show was ads. That's what I just found
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Speaker 1: out this morning, I know, because Bachelor Data did something.
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Speaker 1: So it was like, in addition to the actual commercials,
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Speaker 1: there was like built in ads for you know, we
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Speaker 1: could assume like over fifty of this show was us
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Speaker 1: watching a promo for something else, which was most people's
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Speaker 1: biggest critique. Okay, but we're still in the positive Okay, okay, okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna come up with something because I
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Speaker 1: do truly want to come up with something positive. Uh. Tyler,
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Speaker 1: his whole just demeter in presence there, I think is
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Speaker 1: always so sweet. I liked him and his always understanding
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Speaker 1: of the situation. Hope we seem in paradise. How same.
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Speaker 1: I liked seeing m Jordan's V again. Really want to
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Speaker 1: see Jordan V in paradise another stand standout, just a
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Speaker 1: moment for Jordan V. Just being there. In general, I
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Speaker 1: think it's like how in the war after like looking
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Speaker 1: at the mentor last night, Like how in the world
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Speaker 1: this dude not make it farther? Like I don't get it? Yeah? Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then I like our friends who we met last week, Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, Oh,
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Speaker 1: looking so good with the facial hair. Should have had
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Speaker 1: it more. Yeah, okay, So on of my positives. I uh,
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the bloopers. I know that some people don't,
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Speaker 1: but I liked the bloopers of Gabby, especially just being
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Speaker 1: like Gabby. You know, she's like Champagne. The Champagne was awesome.
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Speaker 1: She farted and like I know how that environment and
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Speaker 1: there's five people in a closed hot room because there's
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Speaker 1: lights and it's a close camera and there's audio and
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and she's doing this interview and she
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Speaker 1: farts and she says, I'm sorry, but he hold their breath.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was fantastic. I never did that. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: I needed to multiple times, Oh you poor thing, you
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Speaker 1: had a tape worm or whatever pesticide, But like, I
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Speaker 1: never had the confidence of that. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a very likable, relatable moment for Gabby during the bloopers,
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Speaker 1: where it's like this is who we remember her as
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Speaker 1: from Clayton's season. I did enjoy Tyler as well. I
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Speaker 1: also really liked one of my and I've said it
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Speaker 1: every season, I get really like angry, uh viscerally, like
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Speaker 1: very angry. When I watched Mentel all and I see
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Speaker 1: somebody that was there for like two hours critique the Bachelorettes,
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Speaker 1: her critique the other cast because they have no place,
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Speaker 1: they've they've not been there, they've only watched some of
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Speaker 1: these episodes on TV. Like everybody else, they can act,
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Speaker 1: they can act like they know what's going on. They
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Speaker 1: have no clue what's going on. So did Roby rob
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Speaker 1: you the wrong way? That was a negative? Finish hair? No,
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Speaker 1: gosh no uh I So Roby spoke out often at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. I really a positive was Ethan, who we've
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Speaker 1: grown to really like during this whole season, kind of
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Speaker 1: the guy that you never expected because he was quieter
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Speaker 1: at first. He kind of just sat back in the shadows.
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Speaker 1: Great looking dude, definitely a candidate to be the next Bachelor,
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Speaker 1: I think. But when he spoke up and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: you were you weren't even there, be like, stop bringing
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Speaker 1: up bad moments and stop bringing up controversy when you
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Speaker 1: have no ground to speak on. I find that an amazing,
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Speaker 1: amazing thing to like set the tone for the evening,
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Speaker 1: like this doesn't have to be controversial, it doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to be dramatic. There doesn't have to be arguments, especially
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Speaker 1: during a season like this where we don't have a
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Speaker 1: lot of cast arguments, and the ones that we did
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Speaker 1: have cast arguments against weren't even there, Like they didn't
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Speaker 1: even show up. So, yeah, what's it? I'm sorry, I'm
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Speaker 1: like horrible with his name is Hayden Hunter. Hayden, Yeah, Hayden.
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Speaker 1: I thought he was actually hiding in a trailer, but
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Speaker 1: I guess he didn't come. Yeah, Well, you can't necessarily
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Speaker 1: blame the dude, because he would have been probably Chris
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Speaker 1: and Hayden would have been the only two cast members
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Speaker 1: this season that would have consensus in within the house
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Speaker 1: to be mad at or too critique. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't blame him for just being like, I know
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. If I walk out there, I'm
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Speaker 1: just gonna get crushed and there's nothing I'm gonna be
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Speaker 1: able to say, so I'm not going. Yeah, I am
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Speaker 1: shocked because it really seems like it was a choice
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Speaker 1: of his not to go, and I feel like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't feel like they have a choice
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Speaker 1: to go or not. Apecially in this season where there
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Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of drama between the guys, you would
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Speaker 1: have thought that the show would have really wanted him
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Speaker 1: there for the conflict. I'm surprised he did not show.
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Speaker 1: I will say, I don't know what they're um agreements are.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the situation is. I can't speak
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Speaker 1: to that. I would imagine if you agreed to be
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Speaker 1: on the show, you also are at some level agreeing
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Speaker 1: to do the mentel all or going to the live shows.
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Speaker 1: I would just imagine that. I mean, I think that's
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Speaker 1: how that works. So I'm surprised the show isn't like
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, like you have to go. Same So
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Speaker 1: who there's there's been bigger villains who have showed up.
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Speaker 1: Though not saying that, I'm not trying to downplay what
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Speaker 1: he said. What he said was pretty horrible. You know,
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Speaker 1: all the girls bitches that you're trying to do. But
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Speaker 1: like we've seen way bigger villains before up and you
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Speaker 1: they show up, So, I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have wanted to what I want to watch given the choice,
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Speaker 1: Like they should have shown us the conversation that Hayden
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Speaker 1: was having with ever whatever producer in the trailer, Like
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Speaker 1: that's what I want to see, is the producer being like, dude,
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Speaker 1: you gotta go, and he's like, nope, not leaving. They're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you think he was in the trailer. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think so they put his name
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Speaker 1: on there for looks, Okay, well you've been fly out.
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Speaker 1: That's fair. I just would have loved to see the
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes of those conversations. Okay, Ashley, any other
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Speaker 1: positives for you. I thought the Bachelor that's really pretty,
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Speaker 1: really liked Gabby's dress. Yeah, do you You've liked Gabby's
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Speaker 1: dress all season. Now Rachel's you've been you've been a
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Speaker 1: little more critical. Every everybody has been a little bit
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Speaker 1: more critical of Rachel's. You know, Rachel kind of just
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Speaker 1: said she doesn't have a strong fashion sense and she
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Speaker 1: just kind of let them dress her. That's fair. That's fair. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So those are the positives. Now we're on a switch
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Speaker 1: to uh speaking into not just bashing, because I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's fun and it's not a great listen, But
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Speaker 1: we're gonna speak into some of the biggest criticisms of
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Speaker 1: fans for this episode, because there was a lot if
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Speaker 1: you are not aware, if you're listening right now, or
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Speaker 1: maybe you haven't even watched the episode yet and listen
17:23
Speaker 1: to our podcast before you watch it, criticism came in
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Speaker 1: and it was I would say the most criticism I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen publicly on social media for an episode of
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Speaker 1: the show. And it wasn't criticism maybe like we've had
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Speaker 1: in the past towards a specific issue or something that
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Speaker 1: somebody felt, um offended by or they felt was inappropriate. No,
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Speaker 1: this was criticism just on kind of being bad, formatting, bored,
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Speaker 1: not not enjoying the watch, which you don't get a
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Speaker 1: lot during the batchelor. People love to hate the Bachelor's
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Speaker 1: very trendy to hate the Bachelor and Bachelor at but
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Speaker 1: you don't get a lot of people just criticizing the
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Speaker 1: I would say, boring nous of the show, Like if
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Speaker 1: you don't get a lot of people just saying why
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Speaker 1: am I watching this? Yeah, so okay, let's start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Do it chronologically. Ashley, what are your thoughts
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Speaker 1: on not showing the rose ceremony? And Jesse just simply saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: all the guys are staying. I wouldn't normally have minded it,
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Speaker 1: but when you see the kind of content that they
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Speaker 1: replaced it with, which was a lot of commercials um
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Speaker 1: and just overall like non substantial stuff, you make you
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Speaker 1: feel like, oh, the rose ceremony would have been more substantial.
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Speaker 1: I could have at least used the suspense of it,
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Speaker 1: like pretend as if well, yeah, I guess, like here's
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Speaker 1: a question that lingers. Did the guys go into that
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Speaker 1: rose ceremony knowing that they were all going to get
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Speaker 1: a rose. Was it just formality or we're you know, like,
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Speaker 1: we're all the Roses sitting there and they're like, oh, look,
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Speaker 1: we're all getting a rose. That's so exciting. Or was
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Speaker 1: there some sort of suspense? Okay, great point, and I
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Speaker 1: would have liked to know all those things. My comment
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Speaker 1: to that is I watched the show because I want
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Speaker 1: to watch the show. The Mental Law for me, I
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Speaker 1: could take it or leave it, Like I honestly, I
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Speaker 1: prefer not to even have this episode. I know we
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Speaker 1: always say it every time it comes around. I really
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Speaker 1: think they need to cut this episode. It's just run
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Speaker 1: its course if we know I don't enjoy it. Jesse
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Speaker 1: was like, what you've all been waiting for? The men?
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Speaker 1: Tell all? It's like, believe me, nobody in this audience
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Speaker 1: has been looking forward to The Mental all the most,
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Speaker 1: especially this season where there's been a very little amount
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Speaker 1: of drama between the guys. I have a positive, though,
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Speaker 1: I'm thought of another positive the super tease the rest
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Speaker 1: of the season. It's really really good. I have no
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Speaker 1: idea where it's leading, and it truly gets me pumped
19:58
Speaker 1: to watch the final few episodes. Okay, so back to then.
20:01
Speaker 1: What I was saying was, yes, we watched the show.
20:03
Speaker 1: To watch the show, the super Tees was great, let's
20:06
Speaker 1: get us into that, let's keep let's keep this thing moving.
20:09
Speaker 1: The Mental All feels like an unnecessary break, an unnecessary
20:13
Speaker 1: movement of a lack of momentum, especially when the Mental
20:16
Speaker 1: All is like this. And so for them to cut
20:19
Speaker 1: the rose ceremony for the Mental All makes me say,
20:22
Speaker 1: I think the priorities were wrong, like cut the mentel
20:25
Speaker 1: All for the rose ceremony. Um, I want to see
20:30
Speaker 1: I want to see the drama. I want to know
20:31
Speaker 1: who's going home. I want to see somebody sweat a
20:35
Speaker 1: little bit. And so for them to cut it and
20:37
Speaker 1: just do it like that, it felt unnecessary, but it
20:40
Speaker 1: did at the beginning of this show, actley this We're
20:42
Speaker 1: gonna keep moving on. Then from it did get me
20:44
Speaker 1: excited for the Mental because I was like, there's so
20:46
Speaker 1: much stuff in this Mental All that they can't even
20:49
Speaker 1: do the roast everybody. Now, uh, my thoughts are proven incorrect,
20:53
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that I wasn't excited for a moment. Okay,
20:56
Speaker 1: So the next thing any tweet from Dan Emerson just
21:01
Speaker 1: a fan online he goes, we didn't have time for
21:04
Speaker 1: a rose ceremony, but we had time for an app
21:06
Speaker 1: demonstration and a cruise giveaway. And then there's a judge
21:11
Speaker 1: look from Judge duty as a gift attached to that's
21:14
Speaker 1: pretty cute, definitely and very uh not untrue. Okay, So
21:19
Speaker 1: the next big criticism, I don't even know if it's
21:21
Speaker 1: a criticism, uh is Roby comes out with platinum blond hair.
21:25
Speaker 1: Now Roby can do what Roby wants to do if
21:27
Speaker 1: he wants to have platinum blond hair. Uh. As I
21:30
Speaker 1: get older, my philosophy is, go do that, Roby. However,
21:34
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a host mistake to not
21:38
Speaker 1: even ask Roby why in the world that he dies
21:39
Speaker 1: hair platinum bond. We have no clue. He just showed
21:41
Speaker 1: up like this. Well we've only known Roby, as Ethan
21:46
Speaker 1: pointed out, for about four hours, who's only in like
21:49
Speaker 1: four hours of production time. Yet we do find we
21:54
Speaker 1: we know that he's somebody who likes attention. He is
21:56
Speaker 1: a magician. So I think the color was gonna get
21:59
Speaker 1: him some attention, and he succeeded at that. He did succeed.
22:04
Speaker 1: He wanted some attention, he got some attention. Unfortunately, I
22:09
Speaker 1: just don't see it being beneficial. Like, I don't know
22:11
Speaker 1: what he was going after he got a few moments
22:13
Speaker 1: of speaking lines. I don't see this playing out very
22:16
Speaker 1: well for Roby. I don't see him getting a lot
22:18
Speaker 1: of gigs based on this episode. But that's my own opinion.
22:23
Speaker 1: He can prove me wrong later on. Okay, So then
22:27
Speaker 1: we go into the men's conversation, like where the men
22:30
Speaker 1: are there talking amongst each other and Jesse is hosting
22:33
Speaker 1: it honestly, Ashley and and and I'm gonna throw it
22:38
Speaker 1: to you here. This would be my only comment. I
22:41
Speaker 1: don't I just watched it a few hours ago. I
22:44
Speaker 1: don't remember anything from their conversation, and that's not a
22:47
Speaker 1: good thing. That means watch That's why we're not going
22:51
Speaker 1: to go through it because we don't remember it, because
22:53
Speaker 1: it was all inconsequential conversation. It was it just felt
22:58
Speaker 1: like it was kind of a filler, you know. It
23:01
Speaker 1: was like we're at the mentel. Also, the men have
23:03
Speaker 1: to have this moment, but it didn't feel necessary, which
23:09
Speaker 1: I believe. At this point, Jesse pauses us in the
23:11
Speaker 1: show to give us an app demonstration of how pain
23:16
Speaker 1: can be delivered, right, Champagne can be delivered on a
23:20
Speaker 1: cruise ship. That's we are all currently not on. And
23:24
Speaker 1: when he gives away to the cruise. Remember the tease
23:26
Speaker 1: last week was that there is news that we're going
23:29
Speaker 1: to get at mental All that's going to change our lives,
23:32
Speaker 1: actually only changing the lives of the people in the
23:35
Speaker 1: audience for a week, but they will have memories to
23:38
Speaker 1: last lifetime. And you guys know, I've talked about Le
23:42
Speaker 1: Trista two weeks ago, huge cruiser. So I am truly
23:45
Speaker 1: jealous of everybody in that audience and I'm also very
23:48
Speaker 1: happy from them at the same time that they get
23:50
Speaker 1: there to this experience. But what let down for all
23:53
Speaker 1: of us well, and that's what I think the show
23:55
Speaker 1: needs to be careful of. And so to get a
23:57
Speaker 1: little bit like farther out these teasers that are disappointing
24:03
Speaker 1: lose trust in your audience. Oh my god, what a point,
24:07
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. You know, it's like you remember the days
24:10
Speaker 1: of the Fence Jump, when there was a tease that
24:13
Speaker 1: lived up people, people responded. And so during a season
24:17
Speaker 1: of the show where the show is trying to gain
24:21
Speaker 1: back the trust of the viewer, trying to um move
24:25
Speaker 1: forward gaining the trust of the viewer. These big teases
24:30
Speaker 1: that don't live up to the hype are I think
24:33
Speaker 1: very Um. I want to use the word dangerous, but
24:36
Speaker 1: dangerous seems very heavy. But like what I mean is these, uh,
24:42
Speaker 1: these teasers that don't satisfy what we're all hoping for,
24:46
Speaker 1: especially when they say it's life changing, I think make
24:49
Speaker 1: the viewers at some point go, I'm done with this thing,
24:52
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to watch this anymore. I don't
24:53
Speaker 1: want to be drawn into something that's going to disappoint me.
24:57
Speaker 1: The show has to deliver and and teasers like this
25:01
Speaker 1: are not delivering. And if they don't deliver, then how
25:04
Speaker 1: in the world is the show going to expect their
25:07
Speaker 1: first episode when they show the highlights for the season
25:10
Speaker 1: two gain the attention of the public if all they
25:15
Speaker 1: think about in their mind is how many times do
25:17
Speaker 1: the show disappointed me in the past? Ben, you're so
25:19
Speaker 1: poignant today, like you're making me. Jenner would say, like,
25:24
Speaker 1: realize things. An episode of realizing things and I have
25:30
Speaker 1: not slept well. Um, but that's a topic for another time.
25:36
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought your brain today because you
25:38
Speaker 1: are sharp. Well, that's that's it. Okay, So we have
25:43
Speaker 1: this app demonstration that if you're in a cruise ship
25:46
Speaker 1: you can get champagne delivered, right, I mean, first off,
25:50
Speaker 1: very cool. Does make me want to take a trip
25:53
Speaker 1: on Virgin. They did a great job promoting Virgin. I
25:56
Speaker 1: I say, like, I'm like a big commercial. I know.
26:01
Speaker 1: But you know what the one question that was that
26:05
Speaker 1: could have been answered at mental all, it wasn't how
26:09
Speaker 1: Logan went about Well, I guess there's two questions, okay.
26:12
Speaker 1: One there was the Nate drama. What happened off camera
26:17
Speaker 1: him not telling an next about a child for a
26:18
Speaker 1: year and a half. That was a one huge lingering question.
26:22
Speaker 1: Jesse starts the episode by saying that we're going to
26:24
Speaker 1: get answers to that. That's great, thank you, But um,
26:28
Speaker 1: the other the other question that we have is Logan
26:32
Speaker 1: and not his decision to switch teams quote quote but
26:36
Speaker 1: whatever happened with the COVID thing? Why didn't everybody else
26:40
Speaker 1: get COVID? And was his test really positive? And what
26:45
Speaker 1: he just was eliminated? And where did he go and
26:47
Speaker 1: all of this stuff? Why didn't he get to come
26:49
Speaker 1: back when he was better? Those questions were not brought
26:52
Speaker 1: up and not answered, which just further confirms to me
26:55
Speaker 1: that there's some shady business going on there and they
26:58
Speaker 1: just wanted to get rid of Logan. Yeah, I would
27:01
Speaker 1: say that's a good way out. I think that's gonna
27:03
Speaker 1: be one of those things that in a season we
27:05
Speaker 1: forget even happened, and I think the show probably assumes
27:08
Speaker 1: that we will forget it even happened. There are a
27:11
Speaker 1: lot of questions there. I mean, Logan felt like he
27:13
Speaker 1: was gaining a better relationship and so he had some
27:15
Speaker 1: some momentum moving forward, and then all of a sudden,
27:18
Speaker 1: you've gone. Nobody really talks about him. He's out of there.
27:30
Speaker 1: Ashley after this app demonstration whereby get champagne. I'm sure
27:37
Speaker 1: the crowd was loving it. These filmings are a long
27:40
Speaker 1: time and so to get champagne during your eight hours
27:44
Speaker 1: sitting during this show is probably very nice and it's
27:47
Speaker 1: a good little treat for all the for all the
27:50
Speaker 1: audience members. We move on then to Nate's conversation. Probably
27:57
Speaker 1: it felt like would be the most important versation of
28:00
Speaker 1: mental all I um, there's been some recent headlines come
28:05
Speaker 1: out today that we know about. You know, we watch
28:08
Speaker 1: this episode, Nate speaks to why he never introduced his
28:12
Speaker 1: kids to the people he was dating his kid, his kid, uh,
28:17
Speaker 1: and he's a dad. I mean I want to hold
28:21
Speaker 1: criticism and judgment very loosely here, because he is a dad,
28:24
Speaker 1: and you want a father uh and and a parent
28:29
Speaker 1: to parent and bring up their child whatever ways they
28:32
Speaker 1: see necessary to protect him and love on them. And
28:35
Speaker 1: we have to assume he's doing all those things. So
28:37
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, people last night were fairly critical
28:41
Speaker 1: and positive on what Nate's words were. Right, Here's the
28:45
Speaker 1: crazy part. Here's what things get weird to me, is
28:49
Speaker 1: I think Nate, I felt like last night, this is
28:52
Speaker 1: while pause actually because I want to hear your thoughts.
28:54
Speaker 1: I thought last night they were so you're gonna make
28:56
Speaker 1: me say the bad thing. No, no, no, no, not
28:58
Speaker 1: not at all. Um. I felt like last night they
29:02
Speaker 1: were setting Nate up. I felt like I was watching
29:03
Speaker 1: them setting Ate up to be the bachelor, Like they
29:05
Speaker 1: were trying to reconcile and and and spin not spin this,
29:11
Speaker 1: but like bring it out enough where the public would
29:13
Speaker 1: say Nate should be the Bachelor. I felt like that's
29:16
Speaker 1: what I was watching. I don't think they were successful
29:18
Speaker 1: in that. Today, I think we see that they definitely
29:22
Speaker 1: were successful in that based on this headline that I'll
29:25
Speaker 1: read here in just a second. But Ashley, what did
29:26
Speaker 1: you think when you watched his interview? I thought it
29:31
Speaker 1: was phony, okay, fair, and I get that, and I
29:35
Speaker 1: felt like it was almost forced. Like I said, they
29:37
Speaker 1: were trying to force this idea that he should be
29:40
Speaker 1: the bachelor, even though you know, these rumors did come out,
29:44
Speaker 1: and no matter what he says, people are going to
29:46
Speaker 1: disagree with him. Right there. There is a divide on Hey,
29:50
Speaker 1: he's doing the right thing here or he's doing the
29:52
Speaker 1: wrong thing. But there's a divide. And now we see
29:57
Speaker 1: today in the headline that Nate was seen holding hand
30:00
Speaker 1: at a grocery store with a girl. Yes he was.
30:03
Speaker 1: We don't know the girl's name, we don't know who
30:05
Speaker 1: she is, but he was, and we also don't know
30:09
Speaker 1: shape for that. I don't care for You know, he's
30:12
Speaker 1: had time apart from Gabby, he got eliminated six, she
30:15
Speaker 1: sent him home. Whatever, go hold hands with a girl
30:17
Speaker 1: in a grocery store. That has nothing to do with
30:20
Speaker 1: me thinking this came out across a phony. Across phony
30:24
Speaker 1: to me a lot of the A lot of it
30:26
Speaker 1: has to do with the way that they produced it.
30:28
Speaker 1: They showed so many audiences faces during that interview, so
30:33
Speaker 1: many women nodding or like being like yeah, it's like sympathy,
30:38
Speaker 1: and they were so trying to make us be on
30:42
Speaker 1: his team. It was almost so shoved down my throat
30:46
Speaker 1: that I was like, no, no, you will not force
30:50
Speaker 1: me to feel this. Yes, I mean I think that
30:54
Speaker 1: you just brought up a great point. You're saying I'm
30:56
Speaker 1: on it today. I think you're on it. I think
30:58
Speaker 1: that's why this was hard for me to watch, because
31:00
Speaker 1: I kept watching he would say something like I have
31:04
Speaker 1: a daughter, and everybody in the audience. They'd show these
31:06
Speaker 1: audience members just shaking their head, Oh yeah you do.
31:08
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, come come on, like this this is
31:12
Speaker 1: not this is not a talk show, right, this is
31:15
Speaker 1: not a daytime talk show. I felt like a daytime
31:19
Speaker 1: talk show. It was Dr Corney, Yes, one hundred percent.
31:24
Speaker 1: Jared even pointed out that they that they said they
31:28
Speaker 1: made sure to poise the conversation in a way that
31:31
Speaker 1: it started out with good things about Nate, then they
31:34
Speaker 1: addressed the controversy, and then they ended with good things
31:37
Speaker 1: about Nate and they had to have what's his name?
31:40
Speaker 1: I have no freaking idea in the line of men
31:43
Speaker 1: say hey, hey, Jesse can I had erupt for a second.
31:46
Speaker 1: I just want to say that a good man does
31:50
Speaker 1: make other men better, and that is what Nate did
31:53
Speaker 1: to me. Like it was all so calculated to make
31:58
Speaker 1: him the next Bachelor, and we're just all I just
32:01
Speaker 1: feel like we're all not having it. Even if we
32:03
Speaker 1: read one of the headlines. There is a headline in
32:07
Speaker 1: which basically backstage at Mentell, all Gabby, Rachel and some
32:11
Speaker 1: of the men, I'll talk about who they want to
32:13
Speaker 1: see as Bachelor and they all say Nate. And it's
32:18
Speaker 1: just too much And I'm sorry, I'm going to ramble now.
32:22
Speaker 1: If if this was a guy that we saw so
32:25
Speaker 1: much screen time from and that we just like, we're
32:27
Speaker 1: so obsessed with and so loved during the season, and
32:31
Speaker 1: then we see that he made a mistake in real life.
32:33
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but the fact is we didn't like we
32:36
Speaker 1: we got to know him. I liked him. I even
32:38
Speaker 1: said that when he got dumped, I really wanted to
32:40
Speaker 1: see more of him. I was upset that I wasn't
32:41
Speaker 1: going to I can't get over now that I can't
32:48
Speaker 1: get over that he didn't talk, that he didn't tell
32:50
Speaker 1: a girl for a year and a half. A year
32:52
Speaker 1: and a half, well what two girls? Yeah, well, well
32:57
Speaker 1: that's like up for debate. Like he even admitted that
33:01
Speaker 1: there were two girls in the picture. I don't know
33:03
Speaker 1: he was like seriously dating two girls at once. Whatever,
33:05
Speaker 1: it wasn't addressed. I get not introducing your daughter to
33:12
Speaker 1: somebody after a year and a half. That's fine. I
33:15
Speaker 1: understand your reasoning between the divorce and not want to
33:17
Speaker 1: get your daughter into it. So respectable not bringing up
33:21
Speaker 1: the fact that you have one that does seem like
33:23
Speaker 1: you're hiding her. I had a huge aspect of your life,
33:26
Speaker 1: making it seem as if, well it a little controversial
33:31
Speaker 1: to say, but almost seeing as if you're purposely trying
33:34
Speaker 1: to hide an aspect of your life, A big aspect
33:38
Speaker 1: of your life. I think it was. I think no
33:40
Speaker 1: matter what, it's an odd decision to date somebody for
33:43
Speaker 1: a year and a half. It is an odd decision
33:45
Speaker 1: to know somebody for a year and a half, like
33:48
Speaker 1: a friend, uh, a coworker, I don't know, like just
33:54
Speaker 1: somebody in passing for a year and a half that
33:56
Speaker 1: year having some semi regular conversations with and not for
34:00
Speaker 1: up the fact that you have a child. I mean,
34:03
Speaker 1: I talk about my puppy to everybody in anybody now
34:07
Speaker 1: different than the kid. I feel more strongly about this
34:11
Speaker 1: now that I'm a parent. I can't go a minute
34:14
Speaker 1: without being like, I'm sorry, I know you're a stranger.
34:16
Speaker 1: I just meant, can I show you a picture? Like
34:17
Speaker 1: I'm that person now? And now I understand why people
34:20
Speaker 1: do that. It's also, oh god, this is a little
34:23
Speaker 1: controversial as well. It makes me feel as if maybe
34:28
Speaker 1: he wasn't as president in his daughter's life as he
34:31
Speaker 1: was trying to put across earlier in the season. Makes
34:34
Speaker 1: you bring up questions, right, That's brings up questions. Thank you. Yes,
34:37
Speaker 1: I'm not accusing. I'm just I'm just questioning. It brings
34:40
Speaker 1: up questions, and I again to in this statement. I
34:43
Speaker 1: think your comments at the beginning, if they just would
34:45
Speaker 1: have had Nate sit there and and talk um and
34:50
Speaker 1: with that we weren't trying to be persuaded in any way,
34:54
Speaker 1: then I think my response is a lot better. This
34:57
Speaker 1: isn't even as much of a criticism on Nate and
35:00
Speaker 1: what he said and hasn't said, or what he's done
35:02
Speaker 1: and not done. Honestly, most of the time, I felt
35:06
Speaker 1: like I was watching an infomercial, like when you see
35:09
Speaker 1: the people cooking in the nonstick pots and they got
35:12
Speaker 1: to the audience, they look, how look and they go
35:14
Speaker 1: look how clean it is, and all the audience shakes
35:16
Speaker 1: their head and smile like this is the best thing ever.
35:20
Speaker 1: That's how I felt this was to me, and it
35:22
Speaker 1: made me just turn off and go, I don't I
35:24
Speaker 1: know I'm not being persuaded here that no matter what
35:27
Speaker 1: I'm done, there's nothing that's going to convince me either direction,
35:32
Speaker 1: because this is so corny to me, especially using the fans,
35:36
Speaker 1: your action to to everything he was saying, Um, it
35:41
Speaker 1: was odd. So that's that's what'll close that, and I
35:45
Speaker 1: will enter this conversation very briefly. This is just another
35:50
Speaker 1: moment that said to me, Hey, Tyler Cameron, whenever the
35:53
Speaker 1: heck he wants, give him all the opportunity he wants,
35:56
Speaker 1: make him the Bachelor, or or you will have another
36:00
Speaker 1: rating season. Really, this is this, This moment made you
36:05
Speaker 1: think of Tyler Cameron. Oh, this moment. Moments like there's
36:08
Speaker 1: always running of Tyler Cameron. He is your savior for
36:11
Speaker 1: the show. He's the show savior because he is a
36:14
Speaker 1: celebrity now. He's not only just antes former contestant from
36:18
Speaker 1: a heyday, from one of the last seasons in which
36:21
Speaker 1: there was good ratings and there was a lot of
36:24
Speaker 1: excitement and chatter around it. Not only that, but he
36:28
Speaker 1: is a celebrity now, so now he's almost like a
36:31
Speaker 1: stunt casting. It's almost like having um when they had
36:36
Speaker 1: like of the Prince, or they had um like Charlie
36:40
Speaker 1: O'Connell's brother and stuff like this, and even like Bob
36:43
Speaker 1: Ginny to a certain point was almost a celebrity when
36:46
Speaker 1: he became the Bachelor. Yeah, I get that, Okay, fair enough.
36:50
Speaker 1: I mean I think, yes, Tyler Cameron is a bachelor
36:53
Speaker 1: would probably be a good thing for this show. I
36:55
Speaker 1: cannot disagree with that. Could you come up with one
36:57
Speaker 1: person in this in the cast of single men from
37:02
Speaker 1: the franchise right now? Not necessarily this cast, but another,
37:05
Speaker 1: but another one of recent history that would spark as
37:08
Speaker 1: many ratings, attention and excitement amongst the fandom. I can
37:15
Speaker 1: think of a few personally that I would like to see.
37:17
Speaker 1: I would like I think that Mike Johnson could do it.
37:19
Speaker 1: I think that Mike Johnson with Peter Krause would be amazing.
37:21
Speaker 1: Do double, do double, you have to do double. If
37:23
Speaker 1: you're gonna do two girls, that's awesome pairing. Um, But
37:28
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't. But I don't think that's like
37:30
Speaker 1: a huge I don't know. I want Peter Cross will
37:33
Speaker 1: be an amazing freaking bachelor, But I do think that
37:36
Speaker 1: people have forgotten him at this point. I think they
37:38
Speaker 1: lost that opportunity years ago. But who says who lost
37:41
Speaker 1: to you know, Like, I think there's a lot of
37:42
Speaker 1: rumors that say that it was Peter that passed up
37:45
Speaker 1: on the opportunity. I can find good pairings, Okay, I go,
37:51
Speaker 1: I can find parents, But like Tyler Cameron will bring
37:54
Speaker 1: it all. Now, now you tell me who else can
37:57
Speaker 1: bring it all? Ben, I mean, I think that Ruth
38:00
Speaker 1: Spencer's could probably pull a fairly good audience. I think
38:04
Speaker 1: if you're looking to revitalize ratings, though, you're probably gonna
38:08
Speaker 1: have to pull somebody from past seasons just because this
38:10
Speaker 1: show had more viewership back then. And so I mean,
38:14
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I think Peter might be a little
38:17
Speaker 1: far removed for people to get super pumped up. But
38:21
Speaker 1: I do think Mike Johnson, I think, um, Michael A
38:26
Speaker 1: could probably do a pretty good job. Michael Lake could
38:29
Speaker 1: do a great job. If he doesn't end up with
38:32
Speaker 1: somebody from Paradise would be a great, great transition in
38:36
Speaker 1: I think that it may have been their intention with
38:39
Speaker 1: him on Paradise. Yeah, I mean I think it's hard.
38:43
Speaker 1: I mean I think you look at Tyler Cameron and
38:46
Speaker 1: people go, yeah, he is a celebrity, he has made
38:48
Speaker 1: his way outside is I just don't think there's any shot.
38:51
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any reason I wouldn't do it
38:53
Speaker 1: if I was him. I mean, it would just be
38:58
Speaker 1: a really hard sell. Uh. And then I feel like
39:01
Speaker 1: the season would almost have too much weight on him,
39:06
Speaker 1: and it would it that might, in my opinion, be
39:09
Speaker 1: the death of the show because you have this this
39:13
Speaker 1: person that you're gonna put up. You're gonna let negotiate
39:16
Speaker 1: what they want, what they don't want, look how he
39:19
Speaker 1: wants and not once and then all of a sudden,
39:22
Speaker 1: the show dramatically changes forever. I don't think you ever
39:24
Speaker 1: get it back. And so maybe as a finale, maybe
39:27
Speaker 1: as a final season. I get it, but I don't
39:30
Speaker 1: see that being a healthy stepping stone for the show. Um,
39:34
Speaker 1: I just see it going backwards from there quickly again.
39:38
Speaker 1: And so uh no, I don't I don't see the
39:41
Speaker 1: show making a decision. I don't see Tyler making that decision.
39:44
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I see it. I'm saying that that's
39:47
Speaker 1: what would be, in my opinion, a saving grace. Okay,
39:52
Speaker 1: so shall we go to headlines. No, not quite yet,
39:55
Speaker 1: because we do have a few more things actually to
39:59
Speaker 1: touch on. We do have the cruise giveaway everybody in
40:01
Speaker 1: the audience because the cruise it's good for five more months.
40:05
Speaker 1: I heard, Uh wait, they have five months to do it.
40:08
Speaker 1: It's good till the end of the year. Is the
40:09
Speaker 1: rumor being spread and it only leaves out of two
40:12
Speaker 1: ports Miami and somewhere else. Um, but hey, you get
40:16
Speaker 1: a free cruise like by the plaint advantage. It's pretty
40:21
Speaker 1: definitely not life changing for Bachelor Nation at all. But
40:26
Speaker 1: if somebody has a free cruise and then they go
40:28
Speaker 1: on that cruise and they find their husband, could be
40:31
Speaker 1: life changing. I would love to see it. Um. Well,
40:36
Speaker 1: actually that's all we have from mentell all it Uh.
40:41
Speaker 1: It definitely felt uh like an unnecessary, unnecessary watch from
40:48
Speaker 1: my opinion. We're not even gonna get into all the ads.
40:50
Speaker 1: That's why this is so quick, because there was a
40:51
Speaker 1: lot of sneak peaks and ads and trailers for things
40:55
Speaker 1: Paradise does look cool. I'll say that I'm excited to
40:57
Speaker 1: watch Paradise. I am as excited as I ever am
40:59
Speaker 1: to watch Paradise. I think it's a great show. I
41:02
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of fun to watch. I think
41:03
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the issues that this show has right now.
41:07
Speaker 1: Uh and so as a result, super pump that that's
41:11
Speaker 1: coming out and that we can start getting excited for that. Actually,
41:24
Speaker 1: it is time for headlines today. We have a few
41:28
Speaker 1: to get into. UM. After we scroll through our headlines,
41:31
Speaker 1: just have a ton of Twitter reactions the last night's episode,
41:35
Speaker 1: UM Shackling. None of them are great, but the first
41:39
Speaker 1: one is this Peter Webber likes post about reuniting with
41:42
Speaker 1: Kelly flannagain, jokes about having impure thoughts about her. WHOA,
41:47
Speaker 1: this is the we need guys. This brings me alive.
41:53
Speaker 1: Can did you know about this? And you been following
41:55
Speaker 1: this story for the past week or so? Yeah? I have.
41:58
Speaker 1: It is Fastiday. These two have talked so much smack
42:04
Speaker 1: about each other and now they're just back together. Okay,
42:09
Speaker 1: so this is the quote proof that we have right now,
42:12
Speaker 1: besides the photos that we've seen them together, which is
42:15
Speaker 1: enough proof for me. Um Kelly posted this picture on
42:19
Speaker 1: Instagram on Sunday. Somebody I just a fan said having
42:23
Speaker 1: impure thoughts miss houghtie with lots of fire signs, and
42:27
Speaker 1: then Peter responded underneath it and said same. Uh. Somebody
42:33
Speaker 1: also commented under the picture happy you guys found your
42:37
Speaker 1: way back together, and he liked it. Nohow, I love
42:42
Speaker 1: this story. It's so juicy. It's juicy, but it's kind
42:46
Speaker 1: of like it's like a you know, like the like
42:51
Speaker 1: they like each other. They were so mad at each other.
42:54
Speaker 1: There's so much pain and resentment for whatever reason, we
42:57
Speaker 1: never really know why. Now they're back together. I wonder
42:59
Speaker 1: what this conversations were like as they tried to reconcile
43:03
Speaker 1: and spend more time investing each other. I wonder if
43:06
Speaker 1: it was always kind of this, I'm into you, I'm
43:08
Speaker 1: into you, but I don't like you for some reason,
43:11
Speaker 1: And now they're finding themselves back together. This is why
43:16
Speaker 1: we need a reality show that documents our lives post show,
43:19
Speaker 1: because this stuff would be such a good TV. And
43:22
Speaker 1: what I like about this relationship that I find so
43:25
Speaker 1: interesting is because I've never had a relationship like this,
43:28
Speaker 1: and these two people just like they have that thing
43:31
Speaker 1: where they probably fight all day and it's firing and
43:34
Speaker 1: see me and there's probably lots of makeup sex and
43:38
Speaker 1: it's just passionate and they're not always nice to each other,
43:43
Speaker 1: but it's hot, but it's hot. It sounds like a
43:47
Speaker 1: movie you just you just made up in your mind
43:50
Speaker 1: that they are to me, jeez. Next headline is this
43:54
Speaker 1: Bachelor a favorite? Andrew Spencer gets real about his life
43:57
Speaker 1: changing time and Paradise. He just said that basically that
44:01
Speaker 1: the people who have never been down there, it was
44:03
Speaker 1: a shock. It was a shocking experience, which is what
44:07
Speaker 1: I've warned people every time they go to Paradise. I'm like, listen.
44:10
Speaker 1: It is a totally different environment and process and the show.
44:15
Speaker 1: The show can be so much fun. Paradise can change
44:20
Speaker 1: your life for the for the better. Of course, look
44:22
Speaker 1: who's on my lap right now? But it is emotional
44:25
Speaker 1: boot camp. It never stops. You get to rest on
44:28
Speaker 1: the main show, but you never stops testing you Paradise
44:33
Speaker 1: and then just as far as like a fun little quote,
44:37
Speaker 1: Andrew says that the best thing to bring down there
44:41
Speaker 1: for anybody who is going to be down there next
44:44
Speaker 1: is a fan. He said, some people brought three or
44:48
Speaker 1: four fans, and some people didn't break any. But it's
44:51
Speaker 1: a very vital part to having a comfortable experience down there.
44:56
Speaker 1: I can imagine. I'm excited to see him on Paradise
45:00
Speaker 1: me too. He's the sweetest. Katie Thurston amidst John Hersey
45:04
Speaker 1: dumped her, her quote is a blessing in disguise. Guys,
45:08
Speaker 1: we got so much tea from Katie Thurston. On Caitlin's
45:12
Speaker 1: podcast this week, she says that technically they broke up twice.
45:17
Speaker 1: The first time no one knew about it. Uh wait,
45:20
Speaker 1: like a week or two later we kind of worked
45:22
Speaker 1: through it and decided to get back together, So I
45:25
Speaker 1: thought we were golden. However, in June she said that
45:30
Speaker 1: the final split was unavoidable, explaining that she knew um
45:37
Speaker 1: more reasons why he did not like her than liked her.
45:43
Speaker 1: That is a really feeling, she said. And she said,
45:47
Speaker 1: as for the relationship tipping point, Um she was piste
45:55
Speaker 1: off by John wanting her to take surfing lessons after
46:01
Speaker 1: she learned how to skydive. She said, I knew nothing
46:05
Speaker 1: um I did was ever going to be good enough.
46:07
Speaker 1: So she obviously like she took skydiving lessons for him,
46:10
Speaker 1: and then he wanted her to take surfing lessons, and
46:13
Speaker 1: then she said, ultimately it was really a blessing in
46:16
Speaker 1: disguise because I think I would have stuck it out
46:18
Speaker 1: longer than I should have. And she says that in
46:21
Speaker 1: reference to the fact that he broke up with her,
46:25
Speaker 1: and she said, initially after the breakup, it was the
46:27
Speaker 1: saddest she's ever been, but now she's in a very
46:30
Speaker 1: good place after a trip to Mexico and a secret
46:33
Speaker 1: hook up. So the best way to get over someone
46:37
Speaker 1: is to get under someone. That's that's a quote, that's act.
46:44
Speaker 1: Isn't that a lot a lot of that's a T
46:48
Speaker 1: shirt right there? Um, the you know, the next headline is,
46:53
Speaker 1: you know Katie went on during this podcast. I guess
46:55
Speaker 1: you could just listen to Caitlin's podcast because there's a
46:57
Speaker 1: lot that she talked about when it comes to Nick File,
47:00
Speaker 1: when it comes to the breakup, when it comes to
47:03
Speaker 1: kind of the Nick File and Katie Thurston feud. Also,
47:06
Speaker 1: we have a headline here about Blake Horsemen and Nick
47:08
Speaker 1: File feud. You can listen and pull all those things
47:11
Speaker 1: up to read them on your own here. Uh, hello buddy. Um.
47:17
Speaker 1: But in short, Katie and Nick are still feuding, and
47:21
Speaker 1: Blake and Nick are still feuding. Uh, they have not reconciled.
47:26
Speaker 1: Um there their differences. Yes, Blake. Blake was asked about
47:31
Speaker 1: this on the red carpet at the v m As
47:33
Speaker 1: and he literally just said he's tried. Uh, it's just
47:36
Speaker 1: not gonna happen between the two of them. It's like
47:38
Speaker 1: rather exhausting. I just want to ask you, Ben, as
47:40
Speaker 1: somebody who's pretty good friends with both of them, what's
47:44
Speaker 1: it takes only they like each other? I mean I don't.
47:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I guess like you have think
47:50
Speaker 1: this big family, you know, we all don't we're not
47:53
Speaker 1: all going to get along. Yeah, I uh, you know
47:59
Speaker 1: they're both him at bachelor party. I thought that could
48:02
Speaker 1: I thought that could be a good a good way
48:04
Speaker 1: to reconcile. It didn't happen. It doesn't seem like um
48:08
Speaker 1: friends with both of them. I think they're probably Uh.
48:12
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think it's one of those things
48:13
Speaker 1: where you you need to stop talking about the other person,
48:16
Speaker 1: like Blake need to stop talking about Nick Nickson needs
48:18
Speaker 1: to stop talking about Blake. They need to move on.
48:20
Speaker 1: Understand that they're not gonna see Ida and they're not
48:22
Speaker 1: gonna get along, and there's no healthiness or good things
48:25
Speaker 1: coming from them feuding publicly because it just ends up
48:28
Speaker 1: bringing up wounds not only for them but other people
48:32
Speaker 1: that have been affected because of their feud. Uh. And
48:35
Speaker 1: I think that's just unnecessary to bring, you know, to
48:38
Speaker 1: bring these things up, make them headlines. Uh. And then
48:42
Speaker 1: when these headlines come out, it mentions, um, the reason
48:46
Speaker 1: why they're feuding in the first place, and it's like this,
48:48
Speaker 1: this isn't fair to that person. You know, and specific
48:51
Speaker 1: I'm talking Klinklin gets brought up in these conversations when
48:55
Speaker 1: it's written about it's like she's moved on. People need
48:58
Speaker 1: to move on. It's time to move on. Um. When
49:00
Speaker 1: it comes to Katie and Nick, I don't know as much, right,
49:05
Speaker 1: I'm not around Katie. Yeah, you don't need to comment
49:07
Speaker 1: personally on that one because we don't really we all
49:10
Speaker 1: don't really know Katie personally. But the podcast with Katlan
49:13
Speaker 1: obviously brings out what Katie feels the details of this,
49:18
Speaker 1: so um so yeah, that's what I think. Anything to
49:21
Speaker 1: need to stop that would be my my friend opinion
49:23
Speaker 1: to the both of them. Uh. Next timeline is this
49:26
Speaker 1: inside Joe and Serena's a dreamy elevated boho engagement party.
49:30
Speaker 1: This according to people, Yeah, one year after getting engaged
49:33
Speaker 1: in Bachelor in Paradise, they finally celebrate the minal milestone
49:36
Speaker 1: in Toronto, Canada at the one hotel that was initially
49:41
Speaker 1: like not part of their pre wedding plans to have
49:44
Speaker 1: a party like this. Serena said, I think my parents
49:47
Speaker 1: originally brought the idea to us of an engagement party
49:51
Speaker 1: just because we had an unconventional engagement. We got engaged
49:55
Speaker 1: and it was secret for a long period of time,
49:58
Speaker 1: so this was a nice idea to bring some sort
50:00
Speaker 1: of family and close friends together to celebrate A whole
50:03
Speaker 1: year later, she says that it all happened so fast
50:06
Speaker 1: and now they're a year into it, and they realized
50:09
Speaker 1: that their parents had never met in person, so this
50:13
Speaker 1: is a good way for their parents to meet and
50:14
Speaker 1: all their close friends to meet each other's close friends,
50:18
Speaker 1: and they're happy that I finally happened, um, even if
50:21
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a delay. She said
50:23
Speaker 1: that the elevated Boho vibes she loves it is really
50:26
Speaker 1: beautiful space, lots of wood and greenery and a nice
50:29
Speaker 1: bar area. She said that that just that that like style,
50:33
Speaker 1: elevated Boho kind of encapitulates the couple's style together. Lots
50:39
Speaker 1: of little twinkly lights and candles and neutral colors. They
50:41
Speaker 1: wanted something soft and romantic while still looking luxurious and modern. Um.
50:46
Speaker 1: They're also both huge foodies. We know Joe is. We
50:49
Speaker 1: just started selling his Sauce Sundays with Joe at Audrey's
50:54
Speaker 1: and they even had a sausage table. Guys. They had
50:59
Speaker 1: a sausage stand of a whole bunch of different sausages
51:02
Speaker 1: with toppings. And Joe is also a huge cookie guy,
51:06
Speaker 1: so they had a nice little dessert spread there as
51:10
Speaker 1: well as your coottery board. So I'm obviously just painting
51:12
Speaker 1: a huge picture of what it looked like they're at
51:16
Speaker 1: the at the party, So I wonder if their wedding
51:18
Speaker 1: will look very similar. Happy for them, a beautiful, beautiful
51:23
Speaker 1: engagement they're having obviously we're just with Joe. That Will
51:27
Speaker 1: wasn't Sarah's wedding, and he's looking stunning, looking good, being
51:31
Speaker 1: cool like he always is. Well, hey, that's all we
51:34
Speaker 1: have for today, uh, Bachelor Nation. We encourage you to
51:37
Speaker 1: keep listening to this podcast to hear are are what
51:43
Speaker 1: we attempt to have our most unbiased perspective on this show,
51:48
Speaker 1: both positive and negative, and quite frankly, I could have
51:52
Speaker 1: gone without this mentel all. I feel like a lot
51:54
Speaker 1: of us could. So until next time week, until when
51:58
Speaker 1: we break down the next episode. I've been Ben, I've
52:02
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