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S3 E9: Our Thoughts on "Maul: Shadow Lord" Episodes 5-6 (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for Most Things Kenobi.
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Shouldn't it be all things Kenobi?
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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Can I just say right off the jump here that this is the most
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beautiful animated show I have ever seen?
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Yes, 100% agree. It is.
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It's breathtaking. It's like a.
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Painting stunning. Come alive, Come alive.
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Yes, we're talking about mall episodes 5:00 and 6:00.
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Yeah. And wow, just wow.
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Visually, 12 out of 10. Holy cow.
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Beautiful I I'm honestly loving this show.
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I was very like, not sure I was. I liked it but now I feel like
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invested in the characters by now and.
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Oh yes. I felt a lot of tension like I
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used to feel watching certain episodes of Clone Wars.
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Yeah, yes. And the way they're doing the
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pacing is really working. I feel it's, it's captivating.
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There's lols where there needs to be.
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It's not constant, but the the shots that are action are so
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well done that I don't feel it's like, oh, this should have ended
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3 minutes ago. I haven't felt that.
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And there are elements of Mall in these episodes that I am,
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like, salivating over because it's so cool to see Mall in this
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calm, composed manner of being. I'm here for it.
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I am too. I'm loving it and he wasn't even
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in these two episodes too much. It was just a little bit and I I
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I was thinking how in classic Star Wars post or I guess
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current Disney era, name something after a person and
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then barely have that person. But honestly?
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I get it. It's working really well in
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these two episodes and I I suspect that maybe as the show
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goes deeper, we're going to like Slough off some of the extra
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characters more and more and get down maybe to just Maul and a
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few characters. I think so.
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It seems to be going that way anyway.
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We'll. See whether I I don't want it to
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go that way, but I feel like you know.
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I know I there are certain characters I'm like living in
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fear of watching us get killed right there on screen and like,
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no, please. I think it's been like the last
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three episodes, the most recent three episodes, so like 4-5 and
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six where I literally thought, OK, this is the episode where,
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yeah, what's his name? Docky.
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Docky. Dies.
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He hasn't died yet. Spoiler but like.
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Well, this time I watched with headphones, and I watched on.
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My yeah. How was it?
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Oh my God, there's so much layered sound in this show, it's
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amazing. Right in the opening you hear
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Maul do one of his screams, but it's really low, you almost
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can't hear. And they do it twice.
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OK, I need to go back and listen.
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I do need to go back and listen you.
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Have to like really listen for it, but I was it's it's awesome.
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It's so good. The fact that they take the time
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to layer audio that much. Right, Yes, I agree.
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I agree and they they are taking time to do extras here and there
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that really do add to this show like it's it's a level above.
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I feel then like even season 7 of clone wars, which is like
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that was the that was beautiful, that was poetry, that was art.
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This, I don't know. It's just the perfect
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combination of everything that I would want in an animation where
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I found myself thinking like, I don't know that they could do it
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this well if it was live action and and I don't feel that this
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is animation. It's like some weird hybrid in
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the in the middle. Yeah, because I don't know so
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much more dynamic than they used to be able to achieve.
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Totally, yes. And even as good at, I've always
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felt Rebels was kind of a wonky looking animation style, but
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Clone Wars just kept pushing the envelope of what was possible
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and season 7 was just incredible.
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Bad Batch was also pushing it a little further.
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And this. Is just like.
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The dynamics of the action and not just how the characters move
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physically, but also how the camera angle changes with them.
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And. Stuff like skin texture exists
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now. Yes, I noticed that too.
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And it you, you don't think it matters until it does.
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Yeah, it's you're so good animation.
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Everyone's very smooth and like even toned and that Imperial
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that they bring in his skin his. Freckles and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, there was a paleness and a ruddiness like I'm just
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like this is. So good.
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Like what the fuck? The level of details, awesome.
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It's really, it's really fun. And I feel like the action, you
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know how animated shows are, they have your short little arc,
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it's 20 minutes, you have some story and then an action
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sequence and then we close out and sometimes it gets boring.
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The action part, not in the show.
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No, that that's why I said I wasn't finding myself saying,
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OK, we can move on now. But I I haven't said that.
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Yeah, like, I forget I'm even watching it.
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That that whole fight scene in episode 6 on that tube on the
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subway with the line so good going down the side of like the
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lighting within the tunnel and then the dynamic between
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everyone fighting. And it wasn't confusing.
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It wasn't too long, at least in my opinion.
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I the lighting and the shadowing and the dynamic between.
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Well, first of all, Mall pulled Evader with his entrance.
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He has some of the most dramatic entrances in Star Wars.
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He's coming for you, Vader. He's coming for the Skywalkers,
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period. He is very dramatic in his own
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way and I I really like it. He's a level of diva I didn't
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expect until this show. We knew, we knew, but we never
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got to see. And now we know and we're
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seeing. So I'm here for the whole thing.
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Yeah, but that train, that subway sequence, one of my
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favorites in Star Wars, I don't even care, honestly.
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I think this is some of the best Star Wars we've gotten since
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Clone Wars ended, and it's really high quality production,
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but also the story is really well paced.
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It's interesting. The actors are fucking awesome,
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I agree. And every single person,
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everyone, every single one. And the thing that I'm really
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looking that's kind of coming out more in these episodes is a
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bit of. Humor, right?
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Yeah. The awkwardness between the
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captain's son and Devin when they're like, let's let the
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adults talk, the grown-ups have to talk.
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That is such a real scene. Like.
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He's just like, fumbling and being awkward, like, oh, there's
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a girl in my room and I don't know what to talk about.
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And she, you know, like. She, you know, her language.
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She's like, like what? Like sports?
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Yeah, right. Or I felt that.
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No, Well, no. I think my my childhood was a
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lot different than yours. It's like, yeah, yeah.
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And then there's like a little bit of back and forth between
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Lawson and Daki when they're kind of catching up with the
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kids. They're kind of Yep, you know,
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is that supposed to make me feel better?
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Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
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It made me feel like that was a bit of the like Han Solo and
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Luke Skywalker humor that sometimes missing from Star
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Wars, like the more current Star Wars.
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And I it just, I'm really just loving how it's paced.
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Well, it's well written and I'm excited to see where it goes.
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I don't really have any story nitpicks at all.
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I kind of want to talk about when the Empire first arrives.
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Yeah, yeah, good. Go, go.
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Because I was thinking we should talk about the Empire.
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I just love how they portray it as like it just comes and covers
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everything when the Star Destroyer arrives but the whole
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interaction between Cleese or Klyce, whatever.
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Lawson's boss I I I'm not sure how to pronounce her name.
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They both don't want the Empire there, but I think neither one
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understood how bad it actually was going to be, I think.
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That. She probably didn't expect to be
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tortured immediately. No, I mean, for the people who
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aren't right there, we'll say in the front lines who see the
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Empire, they have probably have a perception of what the empire
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is, oh, just another entity taking over, blah, blah, blah.
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Until it's in your face and you realize these are really, really
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bad people and they do not give a fuck and.
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The minute they saturate the planet like they're never
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leaving again, and they spread out so fast, so quickly.
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Yeah, and they don't care about decorum, they don't care about
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rights, they don't care about privacy.
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Everyone is suspicious to them. And God, did it really hit home?
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Yeah, you know what I mean? Do you know what I mean?
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There were moments where I almost felt choked up a little
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bit because it's. Bad.
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Yeah, And like the line where Devin says isolated, none of us
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stand a chance against them. And her Master is trying to
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comfort her, saying I have seen tyranny come and go, like, try
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not to lose hope. It was very interesting.
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It was so well done. Yeah.
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I needed that line, I know. I did.
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I did too. I didn't even know how much I I
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needed it. It was beautiful.
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I hate the Empire. I do.
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I always talk about. I always joke about the Empire.
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I want to wear their capes and I want to hang out with Chronic
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One. Just one night.
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Just one night. Neither of us will remember it
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when I leave in the morning, but just one night.
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But like, I really don't like those motherfuckers, you know
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what I mean? It's fine when it's in a movie,
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but if you were to think about it like as your actual life,
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it's a fucking nightmare. This is it's a nightmare.
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Yeah. And in keeping with that, I
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thought this was a really, really cool detail that they put
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in. But also I was just like, that's
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really horrific. When he sits down at the
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interrogation table and sees her fingernail marks in the metal.
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Oh yeah, yeah. Not good, not good.
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And then when the Inquisitor comes up and puts his hands on
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Lawson's shoulders, I was like, this is fucking creepy.
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Very well done, I love it. But also.
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Very well done. I really did like Malik.
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Is it Malik? Malik.
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Merak. Merak.
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Damn it. OK, Merak.
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I knew it was. I was close.
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But I really do like his helmet and his whole like attire.
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The way he sounds, the way he stands.
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But I had to look this up. We don't know what Jedi he.
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Was. No, I don't think so.
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We just know that he was a Jedi. And he's also called the first
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brother, right? That's right.
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Yeah. And he was in Ahsoka.
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Yeah, Ahsoka ends his ass, so I'm here for all of it.
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So we know, we know we're going to get ours when he when it
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comes around for him. So I'm not worried about him.
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But we also know he's going to live through this though.
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Correct. He's way scarier in this than he
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was in Ahsoka, I just have to say.
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Well does that mean that Ahsoka is scarier or I mean.
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I just think the way it's portrayed, I mean is like, he's
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way more frightening in this. I didn't feel afraid of him in
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Ahsoka. I thought it was more like, who
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the hell is that guy? Like someone take his mask off
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so we can see who he is. Someone come get your unk.
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Whose uncle is this? But yeah, I know.
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I I think, I think they were a good match.
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When mall. I mean, let's give Devin some
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credit here. She's holding her own.
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Yeah. I have a girl crush on her.
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I want to be her when I wake up when I wake up.
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I want to be her when I grow up or wake up one of the two.
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Every morning I just. I love her so much.
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I do too. I kind of get every ounce of
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where she's coming from. I get her frustration, I get her
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impatience with her master's patience.
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She's not old enough to appreciate it and understand it.
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But she's not wrong with trying to reason through like we have
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to do something. It's the wrong time.
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It her thinking is correct. It's in the wrong time.
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Like it's too soon to be doing that.
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You still got to go into hiding. We don't have a rebellion.
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We don't even have and or you know, we need that to start
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first before you can come out of hiding.
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But right now it's extremely dangerous and I feel bad for her
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because I know what it's like to want to do good, but you just
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can't right now. It's too dangerous, you know
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what I mean? It's just I feel her frustration
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and the anger that's building. I hate that because it's not a
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good sign, but you know. Yeah, I thought it was really
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interesting when Daki was talking to Lawson and he said
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that like we've experienced what can only be called a purge.
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Yeah. And Lawson seems surprised by
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that. He had no idea.
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You're saying like we don't have any rebellion or anything yet.
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It's like they like what really happened hasn't even reached the
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far corners of the Galaxy yet. And then when Lawson said, I
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heard someone describe whatever this person was as an
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inquisitor. Daki seems surprised by that.
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These concepts are very new in the Empire, so there isn't
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anywhere for like, Devin to turn to like at the Rebellion.
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It's not an option right now. No, all lines are silent, all if
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there's anyone surviving they're all laying low.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is I understand her and the the
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problem she's in. I like that they're really
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fleshing it out too, because she's not rushed.
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Yeah, this quiet moment where he's like, I can tell you're
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struggling with something. And I like that.
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Unlike Anakin and Obi one where they just don't.
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Talk. Yes.
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Like, they actually talk and she says what she's feeling and the
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confusion that she says, I'm feeling confused.
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And it's just really interesting to see that both Mal and Daki
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are kind of fighting for her soul.
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And actually, holy shit, this all kind of makes sense.
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All of a sudden. There's one little second right
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before when they're fighting on the subway where she cuts the
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the train car loose and the Inquisitor gets left behind for
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like, yeah, 3 bars of music, maybe Battle of the Heroes kind
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of place. Oh.
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Yes, I heard that. I knew that.
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Yes, yes, yes. So cool.
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It's interesting because that's kind of like a flipped concept
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of Duel of the Fates. Is it Battle of the Heroes or
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Duel of the Heroes? I can't remember what the one
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from Revenge of the Sith is what?
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I know what you're talking about.
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Yes, yes. Yeah, so it's like they're
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connecting. These concepts are like a
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musical motif, and so it'll be really interesting to see what
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happens with Devin because she's kind of like the Anakin
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character being pulled in two directions, either by Sidious or
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Obi Wan. And now she's, you know, her
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Master or mall. And I'm very excited to see
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where it goes because Moll makes a lot of sense.
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He does, He does. There's something very seductive
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about that tea set, I'm telling you.
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And. I know, sorry.
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I'm still thinking about it. It's.
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Obviously one of our patrons, Moll, can make me tea anytime.
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Amen. I agree with that statement.
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I know that statement, yes. So can we talk about Mall and
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his little practice, his solo practice?
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Yes, please. How cool was that?
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So unexpected. I meant to look up and I didn't
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beforehand if it was mocap because they did use mocap for
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him in season 7 of Clone Wars. OK it.
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Looks like Ray Park, but I don't know if they're using him
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anymore because he's kind of like he's crazy a little bit,
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but. Yeah, yeah, he's a little out
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there, yeah. But it has that whole distinct
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mall way of moving from episode 1, you know, like from he has
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the handout, yes, yes, the meditative yes, with the like
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hand in. Yes.
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We're acting it out for a podcast.
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No one can see it. We're both doing the motions,
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not as well as mall either. We just look like we're we're
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offering a treat to each other. Would you like some tea or tea?
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Please and thank you. Yeah, I, I just loved it.
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It was very meditative. It was very centering, grounding
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7 chakras. I was, I'm here for Grounded
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Mall. It was so cool.
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It was also neat though because he was injured and they showed
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us while he was having his leg worked on and he was in pain.
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Like visibly in pain and I feel like this doing the katas was to
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reconnect and make sure that his knee wasn't going to
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incapacitate his ability to fight.
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That's what I took it as too, but what a great reason to throw
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something like that in. Yes, because Clone Wars never
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showed us anyone recovering from an injury and like reconnecting
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with their power like this. It was so great to see it
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finally. There was never a solo moment of
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anyone just kind of like playing with their lightsaber, trying to
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get reacquainted with their mentals or their physicals of,
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you know, any reconnect with themselves.
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We didn't get any of that. Shut up and take my money.
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If you ever do that with Obi Wan Kenobi, I would die for that.
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Please don't dangle that carrot. Give us something like this that
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they just showed of mall. Just like all I need is that you
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don't have to make a story around it.
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Nothing. Just give us that Obi.
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Wan 26.4 seconds of Obi Wan doing what mall's doing.
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Oh my God. I might.
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Pass away. I might pass away now just with
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the thought. It was so cool.
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I'm here for all of it. I'm here for it.
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Yeah, it was really cool. I liked seeing too that he's not
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impervious, that he was actually injured, right?
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And. We knew what Mother Talzen did
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to reconnect his like nervous sister, his nerves to the
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remember those like tentacle. Yeah, they're like connections.
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They put like wires out of the ship and use them.
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Yeah. So I thought that the little
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tiny shock of the electricity went through him and I said that
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is such a smart it's not just legs, they're prosthetics that
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are connected. To him, I mean like all the way
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up to his waist, basically Waist down, he's machine.
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He's literally more like Vader than ever.
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Yeah. And I have, we have things to
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talk about with that, but I don't know if we want to jump to
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it. Is that or is that the end of
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Season 6? Yeah, we'll get to it.
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We'll get to it. We'll get to it.
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Yeah. I mean, you're going to be on
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the same page with this one, methinks.
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Anyway, before we get there, I'd like to talk about Lawson's wife
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making an appearance. Oh yes, yeah, that was
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interesting. That was very that was curious.
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I thought it was a nice touch because she knelt to meet her
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son at his level. Yeah, that was cool.
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We haven't seen anyone do anything like that, really.
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And we? Don't, and I don't know why it
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stuck out to me, but it was. It was actually very warm.
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And even though she obviously works in some capacity in the
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Empire, she got on his level to talk to him like a parent, not
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as someone from the Empire, you know what I mean?
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Yeah. Which means she may not have
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lost herself yet to it, but we don't know what her what her
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rank is, what her constraints are.
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We don't know how she's going to factor in more in this story,
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the sun is kind of a dynamic wild card of like, how is this
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going to pan out? But I think it the whole thing,
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the layers of it, is very interesting.
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It's so interesting, it kind of reminded me a little bit of Tala
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from the Kenobi series. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She said that she volunteered before she realized what was
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really happening. So there are people in the
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Galaxy who think, think that the Empire is there, like there, she
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said to her son. If there's troopers there, it's
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for your protection. Do what they tell you.
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And it's so naive. It is, but wouldn't you say that
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even if you did know that they were terrible?
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I don't know. But she she probably doesn't
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know that they're terrible. That's kind of the implication I
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think for her. It will be interesting to see if
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they flush it out more. It kind of reminds me of not
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every German in the German army was a Nazi.
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Right. You know, there are probably
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people who work for the Empire, especially at the beginning.
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I'll say at the beginning, after a while, there's no denying
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what's going on out there. People just turning a blind eye
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to it. Yeah, or or they're like Cyril
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and his mother, where they actually believe in what the
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Empire is doing. But that's that's.
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Off the other deep end. She still has.
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It's still early enough in the Empire that I don't remember
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what the mother's name is, but that she could possibly change
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sides again. They haven't said it was an
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ideological thing that split her and her husband up.
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Right, that's true. But we know we're we know we're
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lost in stance. Yeah, because he says you don't
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know what the empire's like or you, you these aren't the people
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you think they are, he said. Some version of that.
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So I think it would be cute, Very, very cool and interesting
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if Lawson and the wife come to a decision, like the wife has to
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make a decision. Your family is now being hunted.
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Are you going to stay with the Empire?
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Are you going to come help? Them they could go either way.
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I know, I know, I know. There's no good answer here
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because then she'll be haunted, but at least she'll be loyal to
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her fucking family. And her son Riley kept saying,
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like, what are you doing, dad? That's the Empire is.
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That his name. Riley yeah, right.
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And it's because he's still doesn't realize that it's not
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just the government. It's not just, you know, the
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police showing up. It's an oppressive system.
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He thinks, you know, he can still function within it or,
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like, doesn't realize how bad it is.
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So he's really surprised when his dad fights back.
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He doesn't even realize that just being with the Jedi is
24:35
enough to make him guilty. Right, right.
24:39
And I felt really bad that they did go to Lawson.
24:43
They have nowhere else to go and that he really is a good person.
24:46
And I'm sure that donkey can can feel it, sense it, you know, the
24:51
fact that he tried to take Maul out, you know, the enemy of my
24:55
enemy as a friend or whatever the whole thing is if they want
24:58
to go that route. But like, he's obviously a good
25:00
person that is fighting on the correct side of a Jedi, you
25:04
know, for standing for the same things.
25:06
But man, they everywhere they go, you know, they take more
25:11
casualties with them because they are the haunted.
25:16
They are enemy #1 if you will. And that was so interesting
25:20
about Devin's conflict because she could see like their life is
25:26
now going to be 1 of begging for scraps and being on the run and
25:30
being hunted and never feeling safe again.
25:34
And no wonder she feels like maybe teaming up with Maul would
25:39
be a better option for them. Like I don't blame her.
25:44
That sounds like a pretty awful future.
25:47
If that's as a Jedi, a passive Jedi, if that's all you have to
25:51
look forward to, that sounds kind of scary.
25:53
You never feel at peace again. You'll always be sleeping with
25:56
one eye open. And not only that, they didn't
25:59
even know there was such a thing as an Inquisitor.
26:01
Now they know that there's one. At least one, if not more.
26:05
Well, and it would be worse to be captured by one than to be
26:08
killed by 1, and they don't know that yet either.
26:11
Don't forget they're they're going to be put into whatever
26:13
that goo is at the bottom of the fortress.
26:16
Yeah, I know. That's what I always think they.
26:18
Don't know that. You don't know what they'll do
26:20
to you if they catch you and like, decide to do some sort of
26:22
weird fucking experiment. There's worse things than dying.
26:28
Honestly though, honestly this is not a Galaxy I would want to
26:31
be a part of at the at this moment.
26:35
Yeah, I mean, it's fun as a movie, but when you think of
26:37
what the characters are really going through, you'll never be
26:40
the same again. No, the stakes are way too high
26:43
and you just went through one of the most traumatic purging of
26:47
your own kind. Like yeah, I would doubt
26:51
everything. These kind of stories are
26:53
they're so fun to watch stories like this, but when you think of
26:57
them as reality. It's reality, it's bad.
27:00
Yeah, it's it's not super fun. Well, I really, really liked
27:04
watching Devin and Moll fight together.
27:07
She is really a badass. She she even had like a little
27:10
bit of rage in her when she was on the rooftop.
27:15
I loved it though I did for the rage.
27:18
It works for her. She was.
27:20
Awesome. She was really powerful and when
27:24
she jumps onto the the airship and like uses the force through
27:29
the glass on the trooper inside, it's just like, this is amazing.
27:34
I I honestly thought that was that was really cool for someone
27:38
her age And I don't like, you know, we're looking at like
27:42
Ahsoka levels of adapting, if you will, to the the situation
27:46
as it unfolds. But she didn't have the
27:49
dysfunctional the the the family of dysfunction ahead of her.
27:54
Like, yeah, the disaster trio. That was that was what I was
27:59
looking for. Devin doesn't have that.
28:03
And she's still badass. So, you know, it seems to me
28:07
like Donkey makes good decisions.
28:09
He. Seems like a great master.
28:11
Yeah, I mean he. And who's his voice actress?
28:14
We talked about him. I can't remember.
28:15
I'm terrible with names. The voice.
28:17
Actress. The voice actor.
28:19
My gosh. It's Dennis Haysbert.
28:22
Dennis. That's it, perfect voice.
28:25
Every time he speaks I'm like, this man is nailing this.
28:30
I know I was. He's very soothing.
28:32
He's very reassuring and and. He's a good Jedi.
28:35
Yeah, and just having his voice, every time he speaks, it's like,
28:39
oh, that feels like something you can hold on to, which is why
28:42
I'm afraid he's not going to make it.
28:45
Listen, we know who's who makes it to the end here, and it's
28:49
none of these people. I know it's true.
28:51
It's. All included, I do find it.
28:57
Speaking of getting to the end, I find it interesting that Mall
29:01
is doing with Devin what he will try to do with Ezra.
29:05
Which means. Yeah.
29:06
Where is Devin? Yeah.
29:08
I know I've had this thought so many times of like, you're not
29:12
in Rebel, so are you? OK, we're worried.
29:17
What happens? I I have theories but it's too
29:22
soon to even say anything. Yeah, I know.
29:25
I worry for them all. I know.
29:27
I do too. I'm emotionally connected to
29:29
these folks now. I know I like it, though.
29:32
It's been such a long time since I've really cared.
29:35
Yeah, and it it feels good to have some.
29:38
This just feels like Clone Wars quality carrying on and and I'm
29:44
just as engaged. I liked Rebels, but it didn't
29:47
engage me as much as Clone Wars did.
29:50
I think it's really, really telling if you can bring in a
29:54
whole new cast of brand new characters and 456 episodes into
30:00
its first season, we give a shit like this.
30:02
It's a good sign. I'm telling you, I'm here.
30:06
And I also love that these Jedi, as bad as as they are, all the
30:10
stuff they're bringing, it does not undermine anything that's
30:13
come before it. Oh no, that's very true.
30:16
That's very true. You know, sometimes they'll
30:18
throw in something weird and new that it's like, well, we want an
30:23
Anakin or like the most powerful Jedi ever.
30:25
Why didn't they ever do that? You.
30:27
Know it's like it's very true. That's a good point.
30:29
They're not doing that. It's all very consistent and in
30:32
keeping and I I really feel like Daki especially does feel like
30:37
there's something like Qui gon esque about him to me that yeah,
30:40
he's he's. An old school, like he's from
30:43
the The Republic era of Jedi. And it's familiar to us as the
30:49
watcher, the the, the viewer, the the long standing, you know,
30:53
Star Wars fan. It's a familiar kind of comfort
30:57
blanket, baby blanket. Like I recognize this.
31:01
This is a Jedi, you know. It's so true.
31:06
That's exactly how I feel. You feel like hit the nail on.
31:10
That Well, thanks. It's the, it's the feeling, the
31:14
emotion, you know, And I don't know how to put it into words.
31:16
It's just don't die. I know we've been here a long
31:20
time. Don't take our comfort blanket
31:23
away from us. But it is Star Wars.
31:27
Yeah. So it will be painful.
31:29
It's going. To be without a doubt, and soon
31:33
without a doubt, it will be very painful.
31:34
Soon we've got only, what, 4 episodes left and oh.
31:39
God, how how quickly things pass.
31:42
The time passes so quickly. Well I am glad that there's a
31:46
season 2 though because. Yeah, because now we can expand
31:51
even more if they're doing this right out of the gate.
31:53
Yeah, I'm excited to see what else they bring because so far
31:56
I'm I'm invested and like you said, all new characters and
32:00
like I was worried when it started off as like all crime
32:03
lordship, but it's definitely. That was just the springboard,
32:06
after all. We didn't.
32:07
That was it. Oh, but our little funny guys
32:09
who's still like nervous and Twittery and like, oh, I don't
32:12
know what to do. You know that guy?
32:14
Around. Yeah, that's fine.
32:15
I'll just chill. Yeah, no problem.
32:17
I'll be over here. He's nice sewer.
32:21
I like him, I'm enjoying his character.
32:24
I hope he has a larger role in the grand scheme of things, like
32:28
he, like maybe he has a moment, a come, a come to himself moment
32:32
where he makes a choice and realizes perhaps Moll is not the
32:36
company he wants to keep. Well, we had a wondered in the
32:39
last episode if he was kind of faking it when he went to the
32:43
the Pikes. And it seems like maybe he was
32:46
faking it like it was all an act because in this episode he says
32:49
I gave you what you wanted. I played my part so.
32:53
Let me go. He was very convincing.
32:57
And what's crazy about Maul is he's like, yeah, you can go not,
33:00
not, not. Nothing's keeping you here, but
33:02
it's like. Like about him, though, it's
33:04
like, if I leave, are you going to stab me in the back, right?
33:08
It's like you make your own prison, but because you're
33:11
you're too afraid of what he will do when your back is
33:14
turned. Because it's better to keep your
33:17
enemy in your eye shot than it is to turn your back to it and
33:20
like chance walking away because then you can't see what he's
33:24
going to do. It's the Godfather.
33:26
Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
33:32
Oh God, Can you imagine that dinner table?
33:35
Is mall Vito Corleone then is that?
33:39
Well, he talks like I'm almost in some scenes.
33:43
Should we go to the end? We do.
33:45
I was just going to say we need to talk about the last scene.
33:48
Let's go. Merrick goes back to his Star
33:51
Destroyer and kneels down in front of a hologram and says My
33:55
Lord, but they don't show who it is.
33:58
Just a little bit of a little bit of fabric is all we get.
34:02
Cloak. Maybe a hood, I don't know.
34:06
Who is it? Someone said it might be the
34:10
Inquisitor, but I don't think they call the Inquisitor.
34:12
My Lord Vader is who you call by law.
34:16
Vader. Yes, Vader's in charge of the
34:19
Inquisitors. Yeah, it could be Sidious, but
34:22
why would some? Why would they go right to
34:24
Sidious when Vader is really their their commander?
34:28
Well, Sidious, if they're looking for mall, that's
34:31
Sidious's old Yes, plaything. Yeah, so maybe he wants direct
34:37
information about it. But at this point, Vader doesn't
34:42
know where Kenobi is, and mall's a good way to to drag out
34:47
Kenobi, if you if you will. That is a great point because
34:50
Vader would know that there was a lot of history between Right
34:55
Mall and Who. Would know better.
34:57
Who would know better than the kid who was there at the
34:59
beginning of it all? And our patron and dear friend
35:03
Hugh made a very good point. I'm going to give him credit for
35:06
this. I did not come up with this but
35:07
when he said I almost lost my shit.
35:10
Hi, Hugh. Yeah, hi Hugh, he said.
35:12
Remember on Malachor and Rebels where Moll, quote, nearly shot
35:16
himself at the approach of Vader?
35:18
So does this mean that they met before?
35:21
Meaning, is this going to come to a head right?
35:27
I would not be upset if Moll and Vader had a showdown.
35:31
I know some people are like, we don't need Vader in this show.
35:33
It's like it makes a lot of sense that Vader would be part
35:36
of this because he's in charge of the Inquisitors.
35:40
He's in charge of the Inquisitors.
35:42
He's he's on the brink of right after losing Kenobi and and and
35:47
Padme and the the whole fucking thing.
35:50
He's pissed, he's angry. We haven't gotten to the Kenobi
35:53
series yet. So we know how single minded he
35:56
is. Yeah.
35:57
He's doing all this likely without Sidious really knowing,
36:02
and he has connections to mall, like way back to the backpack.
36:09
Yeah, and the only other person has who's cut off somebody's
36:13
legs, Anakin and Yamal have both had their legs cut off by only
36:21
one, so they have a bonding element.
36:24
Trauma bonds are real in this part of Star Wars.
36:29
Anakin wants to talk to a homie and be like hey me too bitch.
36:34
Look at. What happened, bitch?
36:36
Support group for. Obi Wan's carnage.
36:41
If if Vader meets up with mall, he's going to be like, yo,
36:45
you're never going to believe this.
36:47
I'm Anakin. Remember, he's not going to do
36:52
this. But like, you know, he's
36:54
thinking I could use this motherfucker.
36:56
Does Mall know because in season 7 remember he's true that Anakin
37:03
was part of the plan. So does he know that Anakin
37:06
invader are the same? That will be interesting if they
37:09
explore that. At this point, at this point,
37:12
it's Palpatine and Thrawn. Yeah, that's it, Thrawn
37:15
suspects. Oh yeah, who know?
37:18
Well then, I guess Riva knows. But she's not in the picture
37:22
yet. You know, she's still probably a
37:25
little kid somewhere, recovering from the first time she was
37:28
stabbed in the abdomen. Correct.
37:31
So I think Hugh has a point here that because there was fear in
37:38
Rebels and Mall doesn't really get scared of anything, Yeah,
37:43
then I think we may get a scene with those two in it.
37:47
So I think it was Vader at the end.
37:49
Yeah, I it would make the most sense to me.
37:51
It could be Palatine, but it really makes more sensitive.
37:54
It would be Vader. I'm just curious, like how much
37:58
Vader could come into this story because, because also we know
38:03
that Merrick, he doesn't die. What would a showdown between
38:07
him and Maul look like? Because we know neither of them
38:10
die. So that's less interesting.
38:14
Then if Vader comes into the picture, that's a way more
38:16
interesting story. Well, Vader has motivation.
38:20
Vader has a has a motive in a means, and that's what you need
38:24
right in a crime. Yes it is and I really would
38:30
love to see another like another session of just Vader obsessed
38:36
with finding Kenobi and like not caring about really capturing
38:41
mall. He wants what Ball knows.
38:43
But of course we know Mahl doesn't know anything about Obi
38:46
Wan at this point. Maybe.
38:47
Is that why this is a huge jumping ahead speculation?
38:51
Maybe Mahl is hunting Obi Wan down in Rebels because he's
38:56
trying to find him for Vader instead of for himself.
39:00
Or he wants to get to Obi Wan before Vader does so he can kill
39:04
him. Because everybody at the end of
39:06
the day wants Obi Wan could know me, we should make AT.
39:12
Shirt that says that at the end of the day everyone wants I'll
39:17
be 1 kid. Actually, that would be a great
39:20
I might make that for Star Wars Celebration next year.
39:23
I might. Make it.
39:24
That would be so funny. New MTK design exclusive for
39:30
Star Wars Celebration 2027. Everyone, at the end of the day,
39:35
everyone just wants Obi Wan Kenobi.
39:38
That's true. Where's?
39:39
Where's the lie? We can't blame them, us
39:42
included. Obsession has a name.
39:45
It's Obi Wan Kenobi. Guilty.
39:49
Guilty as well. See, we have more in common with
39:53
Vader than we ever thought. Yeah, well, I'm very excited to
40:00
see what comes next. I think the show is fucking
40:02
great. I'm really enjoying myself.
40:05
I'm enjoying myself too. I'm here for it.
40:06
I even if even if our series aren't even close to being
40:10
correct, I don't care. Surprise us with something,
40:13
don't bring invader, give us something newer or different or
40:18
I don't care. Just do it.
40:20
Right. I really love not being able to
40:23
predict. That's when I feel like a show
40:25
is really well written and very true.
40:29
It's using enough of the cliche and motifs from Star Wars that
40:32
we like, but they're using it in a way that I, I'm not able to
40:37
predict what comes next. And I'm loving that I just, it's
40:40
unfolding and the story is very interesting and I'm, I just
40:46
appreciate being engaged by the story.
40:49
Do you find your brain trying to make sense and look ahead and
40:53
think like, OK, this has to happen because this person was
40:57
at this point, at this time and then at this point, does your
41:00
brain do that? Sometimes I have to turn it off
41:02
when I'm watching because I'm I'm too into the Star Wars and
41:05
not into the show You. Know yeah I'll be like oh OK, so
41:08
now those characters are isolated together which means
41:11
that these two characters I have to work together to find them
41:14
and I'm like shut up brain, just watch.
41:16
Yep, yes. Stop planning.
41:19
I'm not alone. No, you're not.
41:22
I'm sure there's many others out there who do that.
41:24
But it's, it's fun. I like it.
41:26
I'm engaged. I feel the same way you do.
41:29
I'm looking forward to the next episodes.
41:30
So many times when we've watched some of the newer stuff, like
41:34
for me, it's really Mandalorian. I know a lot of people love
41:36
that, but it's like, I don't care because you tell me I
41:39
should. Like, I need to actually feel
41:41
that I care, of course, because the characters engage me.
41:45
And I know I'm kind of an outlier with that with
41:47
Mandalorian, but like with this show, I care.
41:51
They've gotten me engaged and I care about these characters and
41:55
like I cared about bad bitch. But I felt like part of the
41:57
story, like the how it tied into the larger Star Wars story, was
42:01
interesting, but the kind of weekly problem of the month or
42:06
problem of the week. Yeah.
42:09
It's OK. It's the same formula with
42:11
Mandalorian that you don't like. That's the same, yeah.
42:14
It's the same ingredients. So I get that.
42:16
Yeah, I get that. Whereas this I feel like they're
42:18
actually like the story they're telling has got me engaged and I
42:22
care and I just like, I just want to say thanks, Star Wars.
42:25
It's nice to feel. That again, it's like visiting
42:30
an old friend. Not just a Clone Wars friend,
42:33
but like a Star Wars friend. Thanks for making us, our cold,
42:36
horrible hearts feel again. No, but for real though, good
42:43
job. It's very reminiscent.
42:45
Remember when you first started watching Clone Wars?
42:47
Did you love Ahsoka right away? Not right away, but I thought
42:52
she was interesting enough that I was like, I'll give her a
42:54
chance, just like Devin, Like, OK, I'm curious.
42:58
Yeah, there are moments where I'm like, Oh my gosh, she's so
43:01
annoying. And then there's moments where I
43:02
was like, God, I really like her.
43:03
And then by Season 2 I was like, I love Ahsoka.
43:06
She's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:08
She was the perfect peanut butter and Jelly between the two
43:12
stale pieces of bread. The two heels from a loaf of
43:19
bread. I say that so lovingly.
43:24
I love the bread. We love stale bread.
43:27
On the outside of the peanut butter and Jelly, you know what
43:31
I mean? So what I'm saying is, I look
43:38
forward to the next few episodes.
43:47
OK, our question for you, who do you think it is at the end of
43:52
the episode, in the dark cloak of the hologram?
43:55
Please tell us your thoughts. Is it Sidious?
43:58
Is it Vader? Is it somebody else that we
44:00
haven't even thought of? Please let us know and we'll
44:03
read your comment on next week's episode.
44:08
And our next episode will be us covering mall Shadow Lord
44:12
episodes 7 and 8 and whatever tricks and and fabulous and any
44:20
what stunner of an episode will be.
44:22
What do you got for us in seven and eight?
44:23
Because they're knocking it out of the park.
44:25
We're going to talk about it. We hope you'll.
44:27
Join us and our friend Line 12 has left a comment on Spotify,
44:35
he says. Does anyone else realize how all
44:37
the clones were made identical but tried their best to
44:40
differentiate themselves from each other while all
44:43
stormtroopers were different but were made to look identical?
44:48
I think that's a fabulous point. This is a great comment.
44:51
It's such and it right here, too, in this timeline of Star
44:55
Wars where the Maul episodes are taking place because they're
44:59
kind of transitioning from clones into Stormtroopers, which
45:03
you see in Bad Batch. Yeah.
45:05
And it is like they they become utterly faceless and devoid of
45:10
personality to the point where there's like, the stormtrooper
45:13
voice, you know? Right.
45:15
Yeah. That's it.
45:18
Yeah, Let's see. Let's see some scan docs.
45:20
You know, like the same repetitive kind of 19. 70 or
45:24
identification. Hey, hey, why didn't you show us
45:28
your? It's always like the surprise,
45:30
hey. I know, and it's so funny that D
45:34
Bradley Baker voices all the clones and somehow makes them
45:37
each have a unique personality. It's amazing.
45:40
Yeah, I think it, I think it's a testament to what their autonomy
45:44
is necessary under the Empire, because they don't give a shit.
45:47
Yeah. But even though they were clones
45:50
under the Republic and disregard Palpatine's influence, but they
45:54
still had a presence and knew who they were fighting for.
45:59
They were brothers. There was more of a familial
46:03
sense about them and a loyalty to whoever they were underneath,
46:07
like like Anakin, Obi Wan, etcetera.
46:11
And this is everyone's wearing the same jersey.
46:13
But there's it doesn't matter whose name is on it because you
46:17
don't matter. The only thing that matters is
46:20
the Empire, which is that's crazy.
46:22
And the fact that they could use droids but choose to use humans
46:27
is a very interesting and like, no longer clones.
46:30
They're conscripting people. And it's.
46:34
Yeah, it's a very deliberate choice.
46:36
It's very interesting. Thank you for that comment.
46:38
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46:41
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