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Trump threatens more countries, territories after Venezuela operation · INSIGHT TODAY

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  Speaker 1: Well less than forty eight hours after the US captured
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro, President Donald Trump made similar threats against the
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  Speaker 1: leader of Columbia.
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  Speaker 2: He's not going to be doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It will be an operation by the US.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds good to me. Yeah, you know why, because they
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  Speaker 2: kill a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined now by Francisco Santos Calderon, former Vice president
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  Speaker 1: of Colombia. Sir, it's good to see you. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being here today.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: How seriously do you take Donald Trump's comments there as
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  Speaker 1: threats against your country.
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  Speaker 2: Not as an immediate threat, because I think he has
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  Speaker 2: another problem that he's that he's looking into. But I
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  Speaker 2: think he has he has one thing that which is right.
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  Speaker 2: The drug traffickers have had the best success in this
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  Speaker 2: government during this administration, Petri's administration than ever before. Actures
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  Speaker 2: of coca went from two hundred thousand to three hundred thousand,
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  Speaker 2: Experts of cocaine went from sixteen hundred metric tons to
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  Speaker 2: more than twenty six hundred metric tons. The control of
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  Speaker 2: territory has increased dramatically by those organized crimes, including El
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  Speaker 2: and Fark, Cortel, del Golf, et cetera. They have become
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  Speaker 2: bigger and bigger and bigger for it, and now he
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  Speaker 2: wants in his peace process the pastor Talisty caused it
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  Speaker 2: to give more than one hundred municipalities to the rug
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  Speaker 2: the drug traffickers that by the way, he took him
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  Speaker 2: out of jail and sent and sent them to his
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  Speaker 2: to his to a meeting that he was having. Would
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  Speaker 2: you say, what the hell's happened here? So so here
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  Speaker 2: he's at least in the hoods with them, and I
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  Speaker 2: think he's going to have to pay for it afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: especially when when they look at what all the information
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  Speaker 2: that's going to come out of Venezuela that is that
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  Speaker 2: works like that with all of the drug traffickers of
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  Speaker 2: the region.
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  Speaker 1: But is that an issue for the President of the
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  Speaker 1: United States to settle or is that an issue for
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  Speaker 1: the people of Columbia to settle? Because as President Petro
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  Speaker 1: responded today saying, if you detain the president who much
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  Speaker 1: of my people want and respect, you will unleash the
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  Speaker 1: people's jaguar. What do you make of that response.
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  Speaker 2: That he said he loves to talk about uses those metaphors,
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  Speaker 2: But I think President Petro has very little weight in
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  Speaker 2: the region has very big, little weight, even in Colombia,
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  Speaker 2: even though he's the president and he protects himself with
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  Speaker 2: with those that with that type of rhetoric. The reality
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  Speaker 2: is that that drug traffickers in Colombia are having the
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  Speaker 2: best four years of their life and are becoming a big,
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  Speaker 2: a big threat, with which I think in that sent
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  Speaker 2: President Frump his right. Drug trafficking is the biggest threat
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  Speaker 2: to democracy and to liberty in the region, from Mexico
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  Speaker 2: to Patagonia. When you look at all these criminal organizations,
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  Speaker 2: how much they are moving into political control Mexico. Look
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  Speaker 2: at Mexico. Half of Mexico, it's in the hands of
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  Speaker 2: the traffickers. It's very near being an arco state. They
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  Speaker 2: control governors, mayors, they control critical industries like the lemon
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  Speaker 2: industry to mano industry, has avocado industry, and what they're
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  Speaker 2: learning there and they're moving, especially the Mexican record tills
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  Speaker 2: all over Latin America and that type of working through
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  Speaker 2: the political system. The traditional economicy is something that they're
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  Speaker 2: learning and they're leaving all over. So so for sure,
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  Speaker 2: I think today that's the biggest threat that we have
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  Speaker 2: to democracy and to really fight it with different instruments
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  Speaker 2: than we have fought in before, because we haven't been
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  Speaker 2: successful well.
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  Speaker 1: In Venezuela, Delsea Rodriguez was sworn in as the acting president,
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  Speaker 1: the interim leader of Venezuela, but she reiterated her support
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  Speaker 1: for Nicholas Maduro the president. President Trump said, this make
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  Speaker 1: things better for Venezuelans. But if it's still the same
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  Speaker 1: regime with different management, how much do you think that
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  Speaker 1: fundamentally interest things there?
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  Speaker 2: Look the difference between Nicolasmaduru and there's ceral Rigaus is
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  Speaker 2: like the difference between Paulos Kuwadaguezla, the biggest drug traffics
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  Speaker 2: of Columbia in the eighties. Very similar, but there's a
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  Speaker 2: big difference. And I think in that sense, they took
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  Speaker 2: a decision that that has certain logic to it. When
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  Speaker 2: the US went into with Obama into Libya, they took
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  Speaker 2: up Gadafy, and look at what happened. When President Bush
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  Speaker 2: went into Iraq, they destroyed the bad Party and they
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  Speaker 2: destroyed the military, and look at what happened here. They're saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are gonna help us administrate this reconstruction of
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  Speaker 2: a state that they destroyed, and then you will probably
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  Speaker 2: be able to get out of here live a life
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  Speaker 2: with all the richness that they that they have been
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  Speaker 2: able to get. If you don't do that, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to pay a high price. So yeah, it's not the ideals.
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  Speaker 2: Situation is very pragmatic, but we have to be very
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  Speaker 2: much you know, looking at step by step, Yester. Today,
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  Speaker 2: today sixty persons were detained in Valencia because they had
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  Speaker 2: in their in their in the centrophones the pictures of
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  Speaker 2: Maluru in jail. Six journalists near the Mida Florida's palace
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  Speaker 2: were arrested. So if it's really going to change, it
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  Speaker 2: really has to change. And the first thing is we
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  Speaker 2: need all the political prisoners out. We need an amnesty
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  Speaker 2: where all of the BS charges poured against everybody are
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  Speaker 2: are are are cleared and they can come back. And
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  Speaker 2: especially we need Mada Karina back in Venezuela so that
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  Speaker 2: she can start working politics and making sure that this
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  Speaker 2: transition is real towards the democracy and not towards the
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  Speaker 2: authoritarian country with the parts of democracy around it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that remains to be seen, like whether
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  Speaker 1: it can go there. And certainly the President of the
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  Speaker 1: United States at least talked more about oil reserves than
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  Speaker 1: he did about, you know, transitioning the institutions of Venezuela.
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  Speaker 1: But he's also made comments about Columbia, the president has
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  Speaker 1: about Greenland, about Cuba, you know. I mean, just as
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  Speaker 1: a final point, I mean, how weird are you about
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  Speaker 1: a destabilizing effect from this?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Where does this coup go? I just wonder what you're
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  Speaker 1: watching for next in terms of whether the president is
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  Speaker 1: true to his word and the document that they put
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  Speaker 1: out in November about controlling the hemisphere, what might happen
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  Speaker 1: next and what it could mean to your country and
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  Speaker 1: others around it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think that that political strategy is saying, hey, Europe,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to take care of your Africa and your
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  Speaker 2: and your continent and Australia Japan career you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to take. We're going to help you, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be to be My emphasis is going to
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  Speaker 2: be in Latin America. With drug trafficking as the biggest threat,
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  Speaker 2: I think we have to understand that. I think the
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  Speaker 2: one who's going to be in charge of Venezuela is
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  Speaker 2: going to be my Courrugo. He has that very very clear,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been listening to him, and and he's been
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  Speaker 2: very rational. He said, you know, we couldn't we couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get if if we brought back Maria Coorina and and
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  Speaker 2: and Mundo. They don't have the power that would They
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  Speaker 2: don't have the you know, the structure that can that
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  Speaker 2: could survive in such a corrupted Narco state that they
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  Speaker 2: have been able to build. So they're being practical, and
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  Speaker 2: believe me, Venezuela has been a huge tource of instability
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  Speaker 2: for the whole region. They've put money in Brazil's elections,
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  Speaker 2: in Argentina elections, in Columbian elections in but so so
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  Speaker 2: any change to the Venezuelan statish school and moves it
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  Speaker 2: in the right direction of institutionality, security, it's a good
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  Speaker 2: it's a good it's a good decision. How is it
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  Speaker 2: going to play out? I think in Venezuela's are gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to be on top of it, and they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to do it in the streets too. And I
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  Speaker 2: think all of us in Latin America that believe in
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  Speaker 2: liberty and believe in freedom and believe in democracy, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to have to be very much pushing hard for
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  Speaker 2: those things that I'm telling you before, freedom of political prisoners, amnesty,
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  Speaker 2: a new judicial system, a new electoral agency, things like
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  Speaker 2: that that can lead us to a real election in
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  Speaker 2: which everybody agrees that whomever VI it really becomes the president.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the optimistic. The pessimistic. I don't even want
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  Speaker 2: to start thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you for your optimistic tape. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll get the pessimistic one at another time, depending on
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  Speaker 1: how things go. Francisco Santos Calderon, former Vice president of
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  Speaker 1: Columbia's good to meet you, sir. Thank you for joining
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  Speaker 1: us today.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.