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Climate, consensus, and the consequences · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:27
  Well, hello, everyone, and welcome to the 10 Penny Files.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Sherry Tenpenny.
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  On the 10penny files, we dive into vital and often controversial discussions on topics that will challenge what you've been told and then reveal what's been hidden.
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  Eastern to hear from authors and documentary filmmakers who have something important to say that have often been censored or silenced.
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  Today's conversation is with my guest, geologist and best-selling author and executive director of the CO2 coalition, Gregory Wrightstone to talk about his latest book, a convenient, a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity.
• 1:17
  Gregory, thank you so much for joining us here today.
• 1:20
  And welcome to the 10 Penny Files.
• 1:22
  It's good to be back on with you, Sherry.
• 1:24
  Thank you for having me.
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  It's uh it's a fascinating subject, and we're and actually you talked about being canceled and silenced, which I have been, and my our colleagues with the CO2 coalition, but boy, that's really changing and changing quickly.
• 1:40
  So things are things are different than they were just nine months or a year ago.
• 1:45
  Oh, that's exciting news.
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  So why don't you, as a geologist, give us a little bit of your background and how you got involved in this climate change issue.
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  Yeah, I was a I used, I had a 30-year career as a petroleum geologist, and I was actually at the forefront of the new shale gas revolution that combined horizontal drilling and high massive hydraulic fracturing.
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  Uh I did the the groundbreaking, some of the early work on the Marcellus shale of the East, which is the largest natural gas accumulation in the world by far.
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  Uh so it was really exciting.
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  Those were heady times because we didn't, we were figuring it out as we went, trying to find out what's the best place to go, where to drill, how to do it.
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  Um, and then uh I left that.
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  Uh I was a founding partner of a large energy company, and then I was always interested in climate change.
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  And uh I had a time when I had to move out of the business, and I used that time to actually research uh some of the questions I had about climate change.
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  And I was able to go back.
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  Uh I knew that some of what we were being told was just wrong.
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  I knew I suspected other things.
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  And so I did a deep dive.
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  I went back and said, I'm gonna look at the the the actual data uh for each of these uh supposed scares and climate crises.
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  And what I found frankly angered me.
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  Uh, what I found was rather than uh sea level rise being catastrophic and putting islands underwater, just the opposite was happening, that uh warming is actually very, very good for humanity.
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  And CO2 that they're calling the demon molecule has huge beneficial effects.
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  And so what I did, my first book was Inconvenient Facts, which was a runaway bestseller.
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  And in that I documented that there was no climate crisis.
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  In this new book, a very convenient warming.
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  I go further, and as we do at the CO2 coalition, by almost every metric you look at, we find that Earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from modest warming and more CO2.
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  It's I call it the greatest untold story of the 21st century, that of a thriving of the earth and a prospering of the human condition.
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  And so we should embrace this.
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  It's it's a story that needs told.
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  Um, instead of being silenced, we need to get out there and get the truth out there about what's going on.
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  You were silenced during COVID for sure.
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  We know that for a fact.
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  I've been, and but I will say I think that what they're doing with climate and the climate realists like myself might even be might even be they've gone beyond what was the COVID silencing.
• 4:29
  They've they've said there's no discussion.
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  Um, it's a consensus.
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  Everyone agrees, and we will not put you on the air or have you talk because the science is settled.
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  Uh and we find out we heard that before, right?
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  Oh my goodness.
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  And it's uh and it's been it's been crazy.
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  I've been very optimistic for many years because I I kept saying the truth will win out.
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  I'm sure you said that yourself about what about what you what we were talking about, vaccines and the like.
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  I can't I said the truth will win out.
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  We have the facts on our side, and once we finally get a voice and can start talking directly to the people, it's going to be game over for this climate industrial complex.
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  And that's what we're seeing.
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  Uh, people are hearing our message.
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  Again, it's a message of science, facts, and data versus misinformation and disinformation.
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  Uh, so it's uh I like telling a really good story.
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  Here we are at at the Christmas season.
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  You know, I I like to say about the climate change story.
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  It's a I bring you glad tidings of great joy.
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  That's very good.
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  At this time, it because it's it's a really really good story about what's actually happening.
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  You know, in your book you call carbon dioxide the miracle molecule.
• 5:47
  And I think by what you just said about it, by every metric that it shows that it is.
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  I mean, uh, instead of demonizing it, and I want to read one more thing, one thing from your book.
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  It says future emissions from burning fossil fuels will add little to global warming.
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  And what does occur will improve forests, grasslands, and agricultural through agriculture through CO2 fertilizations.
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  I mean, that is amazing, and that is certainly not what we're hearing from the mainstream at all.
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  Yeah, and you look at it, it's actually we are in a warming trend.
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  There's no doubt about that.
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  Um it's been warming for it started more than 300 years ago.
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  Bear in mind, they're saying that increasing carbon dioxide is driving dangerous and unprecedented climate or temperature increases.
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  But the warming that we're trend that we're in began 200 plus years before we started adding much CO2 to the atmosphere in the mid-20th century.
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  Uh, and so they're saying, oh, well, that all changed in 1950 or 1945, and now it's being driven by CO2.
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  That's just the science, the facts, and the day don't support that.
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  And so it's this warming is almost as beneficial as, and maybe more uh than the increase of CO2.
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  Because the warming, think about it.
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  Uh, we know it's warming.
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  We can look at some pretty basic things, like for example, the boreal forests of Canada uh have increased northward almost 100 kilometers since 1900.
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  Why is that?
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  Because it's warming.
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  And uh growing seasons in the continental United States have increased nearly two weeks in length of the growing season.
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  That's really really good for the agriculture community.
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  And Sherry, if you're Dr.
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  Tempen, if you're if you're a uh a north, if you want an apple orchard in Michigan, what do you fear the most?
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  It's a late spring killing frost.
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  It can just ruin your whole year.
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  Because of this warming, we have fewer late spring killing frosts uh to ruin your year and ruin your crops.
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  Uh, and so we get more plantings in, and then that's turbocharged by uh increases in carbon dioxide.
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  Uh, if you remember back, our our children used to learn when they were being taught things like the scientific method that they're we'll get to that in a moment, but they're not being taught anymore, unless you're in Florida or North Carolina.
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  Uh they they learned about photosynthesis.
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  And you know, with photosynthesis, vegetation needs sunlight, water, and co2, and the more CO2 the better.
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  And so we what we have here is just uh a stunning increase in vegetation from the near polar regions to the equator, every single ecological niche has seen a boom and increase in in vegetation.
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  And it's funny, one of the one of the things that the alarmists uh talk about.
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  Well, poison ivy is going to increase in the future because of warming and more CO2.
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  And you know they're right because see because poison ivy and CO2 is an equal opportunity benefactor of vegetation.
• 9:00
  So will it increase growth of poison ivy?
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  Yeah, probably will, because it's going to help everything.
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  And that's one of the few things that they've actually got right that they they tried to alarm people about.
• 9:12
  Uh, but all the other vegetation around the poison ivy will also increase.
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  So it's not probably not uh and so this is this is a really, really, really good story that's that's gone unreported.
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  It's uh and we'll get we'll get to this in a little bit.
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  Um having looked at my book, one of my favorite topics is the strong relationship between human history and temperature history to find it's completely opposite of what we're being told.
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  And uh it's a it's a fun topic.
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  Uh and I like I like history and relating that to climate change was uh it's enlightening and a lot of fun.
• 9:51
  You know, how did the globalists uh get it so wrong?
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  Or better, why have they gotten it so wrong and be and led to the
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  Biggest misrepresentation by the mainstream narrative that we are just all we're we have to give uh pills to cows to keep them from farting and we have to that are now killing them and we have to shut down agriculture in uh Belgium and you know all the things that are going on in in Europe, you know, with them um the farmers protesting there.
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  Why are they doing this?
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  Yeah, I'm asked that I'm asked that question a lot, and I'm hesitating here because as a scientist, uh I can't look inside men's and women's souls to see what their motivation is.
• 10:37
  You can't.
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  We could guess at some things.
• 10:39
  A lot of people have said uh they want to bring down Western civilization, they want to destroy capitalism, uh, they want to uh, you know, whatever the reason is, and some of these people that are funding this, we know who they are, George Soros and the Tides Foundation, other of these uh organizations that really don't like the Western world, they don't like democracy, uh they want to lift up, but but again, there are some of these people that actually believe what they're saying.
• 11:08
  There's some people that have not a clue about the science.
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  That wouldn't I would include Al Gore and of course Greta Thunberg uh in that.
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  Al Gore took one science course at the university, he got a D in it.
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  So uh he's not a stellar star, but that's one more course than Greta Thunberg ever took.
• 11:25
  And uh, but she's busy uh talking about Palestine and and uh Hamas and the rest now.
• 11:32
  She's kind of moved away from climate change.
• 11:35
  Um, but it's been so the the reasoning is I I don't know, but what it is, it's gonna be completely this quest for net zero, which would be zero carbon emissions, net emissions into the atmosphere, it's cost trillions.
• 11:54
  And to solve to get to where they want it to be, I've seen tens of trillions of dollars that would need to be spent, and that's money that should be placed.
• 12:03
  Think of that the good that that could do with that money, or how about if we just don't spend it at all?
• 12:08
  You know, that's that's that's one thing.
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  One one way to look at it is it's instead of spending 30 trillion dollars to solve a non-existent climate problem.
• 12:18
  Why don't we spend it on world hunger?
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  Oh, we're already solving that, aren't we?
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  We're already solving world hunger by allowing CO2 to increase and warming temperatures, and we'll talk about agriculture in a little bit.
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  Just it's a great story.
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  Uh how you you've decisively shown that nitrous oxide emissions, like with farming and things like that, and with the fertilizer, since we're we're talking starting to talk about farming a little bit, that these emissions have a trivial effect on temperature increases.
• 12:49
  Yet farmers around the world and in Europe are being forced out of business because of the climate change tyrants.
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  How can your information in your book, a very convenient warming, the name of your book?
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  How can this help them?
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  Well, we've we've done that.
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  We've we've uh just attended and and spot we were the sponsor of the second world conference on sustainable livestock development in Spain.
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  Uh, our chairman Will Happer, uh, Dr.
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  William Happer, uh Emeritus Professor of Physics at Princeton, uh spoke there.
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  He just got back uh from new where and of course in Spain and across Europe, they're trying to uh get rid of livestock.
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  And they he spent 10 days in New Zealand touring New Zealand because New Zealand's nuts about this.
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  And I'm gonna just correct you one thing that you you've got a little bit wrong, if I can if I can be so bold.
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  Please, please, please.
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  It's not it's not uh it's not what comes out the back end of the cow.
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  Right, it's the front end, right?
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  The front end, it's belching that they are belching methane because these these are they're called ruminants.
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  Um, and the ruminants, deer, buffalo, cattle, sheep, uh, all eat grass, which is we can't, they're the only ones that can digest grass uh because of the lignin and things that are in the grass.
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  They're in, but they're they're able to take it into their stomachs uh in an anoxic environment, no oxygen, and convert that for uh into meat, uh milk and other useful products.
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  And uh, and so what they have is these ruminants then they belch out the methane because what they're doing is they're and and just bear in mind the methane that they're that they're warning us about only has about a five-year uh life.
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  Uh it's half-life is about five or six years.
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  So it goes, it it actually degrades into each methane molecule, which is CH4, carbon, one carbon and four hydrogen in the methane molecule.
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  It did it combines and oxidizes and come and read the result is CO2, one one molecule of CO2 and two molecules of water vapor.
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  And so that's what that's what methane turns into.
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  And that the increase, it's a the warming effect, it is a greenhouse gas, but the warming effect of this incredibly small amounts of methane.
• 15:19
  Uh, it's it's zero point, I think there are three zeros and then another digit.
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  It's thousands of a degree of warming that will occur uh by 2100, which is and they're they're talking about uh I was in the Netherlands.
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  My book uh was translated into Dutch last year, and we we toured the Netherlands, and I was speaking across there as they were debating this.
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  And I was saying, no, no, no, you got it.
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  You need to roll this back.
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  They were gonna kill cull, kill half of all the livestock in the Netherlands.
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  And the people rose up, the farmers had a tractor, you know, they drove their tractors on the on this on all over the Netherlands to block everything, and they ended up not doing it, thankfully.
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  Uh, and so what we can do, so we can show number one this is a really bad idea.
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  And number two, any warming effect is so small as to be it's it's barely distinguishable from zero in terms of the warming.
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  Um, and so we should embrace this and and and embrace uh the livestock that are actually consuming the grasses that would otherwise grow up.
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  Um, and and also take take think about this.
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  There were about as many buffalo, which is a ruminant, uh, in North America as there are cattle today.
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  And the buffalo were eating grass and belching methane, about the same about the same amount as what modern agriculture livestock development is doing.
• 16:53
  Well, that was natural, and that was okay.
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  But now we've got cattle that we're actually benefiting from by giving us protein and uh nice leather jackets, if you like that.
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  And so we've got uh it's it's crazy.
• 17:09
  And people understand when they say these type of things that it's just uh you just shake your head at some of the things they're trying to do.
• 17:17
  It's no in both in both of your books in the in the very convenient warming and your other book, the inconvenient facts book, there are lots, and and this one, the newer one, there are lots and lots of graphs and charts and things in there, and you have shown really decisively, and the text that goes along with it decisively that levels, if the levels of carbon dioxide more than double from current levels, the increase in warming would be less than 10%.
• 17:46
  But that has been so suppressed.
• 17:49
  Why isn't anyone embracing all of the scientific data that you put forth?
• 17:53
  Well, one of the things they do with these, they admit they they being the intergovernmental panel on climate change and those promoting this climate crisis.
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  They come up with about the same numbers as we do.
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  The the warming effect of a doubling of CO2 is less than one-tenth of one degree Celsius.
• 18:15
  All right.
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  But what they do to make it sound worse is or excuse me, I got that wrong.
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  It's less than one degree.
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  I said one-tenth, one one degree Celsius.
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  Uh, they turn that into four and a half or sometimes eight degrees of warming for a doubling.
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  And that's because they're saying, well, there are uh uh factors that are uh adding to the warming effect.
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  Because if you warm, there'll be more water vapor in the atmosphere.
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  And the biggest uh greenhouse gas, of course, is water vapor uh with the warming.
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  And so they're they're they're using these factors to to quadruple cantuple uh instead of uh eight tenths of a degree of warming and with a doubling, they're saying it's four and a half up to eight and a half degrees of warming, uh, which would be a lot.
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  Um so they they uh and what we find is that in nature, uh most of the effects would actually be opposite.
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  Nature reacts uh uh to to alleviate changes.
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  So if they're warming and you're creating more water vapor, that's actually probably gonna have a cooling effect.
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  They don't recognize that because if there is more water vapor, there are more clouds, more clouds.
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  What does that mean?
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  More reflection of sunlight that never makes it to the earth to warm the earth or to increase uh the greenhouse warming effect.
• 19:35
  Uh so it's where did they ever get this crazy idea of global dimming that they wanted to block out the sun, which is the creator of everything, the giver of life to plants, animals, amphibians, humans.
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  What what is the thought of that?
• 19:51
  Well, there's talk about this.
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  It's called geoengineering.
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  And it's it's it's it's it's not actually happening, happening on a grand scale.
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  Scale, uh, but they're talking about it.
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  And this is really, really, I mean, what could go wrong?
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  Well, a lot could go wrong.
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  They're trying to block the sun.
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  Who knows?
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  The bad thing, the consequences of that.
• 20:14
  Um, and there are there's a lot of disinformation out there about chemtrails that uh we've got airplanes that are spreading sulfites into the atmosphere or uh from just because they're contrails from the jets because jets burn jet fuel, which is basically again, it's a it's a fossil fuel.
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  It's it's basically diesel.
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  And when you burn it, what do you get?
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  Water vapor and carbon dioxide.
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  And that water vapor, twice as much water vapor, CO2 goes out out of the jet and it condenses when you have a high humidity, high atmospheric water vapor percentages, you get contrails on a very dry uh day up at 40,000 feet.
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  You don't get any contrails.
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  But you do when there's a high uh humidity.
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  So beware of those talking about chemtrails.
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  Uh it's it's could it be done?
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  Yes.
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  Is it being done?
• 21:11
  No.
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  And we ought to we ought to damn put a put put put a dampening on this.
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  Uh, I would love to hear you debate some of my friends and researchers that are on the opposite side of that scale.
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  Um, you know, because there is a uh um a diversity of opinions about that.
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  Yeah, opinions are okay, but this is so easily debunked.
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  Uh, there's a fellow by the name of Dane Wiggington that's the the leader of this chemtrail movement.
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  And it's just if you go to our website, which is co2coalition.org and just uh search for we've got a great search feature.
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  They're just search for chemtrails.
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  And we have a Dr.
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  Roy Spencer, uh, one of our members wrote a pretty interesting and easily understandable explanation of what these are.
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  Um, and they're it's these are water vapor being emitted by jet airplanes that's causing this.
• 22:08
  Well, your message is so far off of the mainstream propaganda about climate change.
• 22:13
  It's interesting how it used to be all about global warming, and now they've changed it to climate change, is kind of the tell the language they're using.
• 22:21
  Have you or the CO2 coalition have been targeted or censored?
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  And if so, what have they tried to do to shut down the really important science that you have to share?
• 22:32
  Oh my yes.
• 22:33
  Uh well, let's just say Instagram.
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  Uh, we weren't on.
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  I said, we got to be on Instagram.
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  We got to hear message.
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  So we got up on that Instagram.
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  They blocked us before we were able to make our first post on Instagram.
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  And so we've been trying to get work around that.
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  LinkedIn might be the worst.
• 22:50
  Uh, I was I was being shadow banned.
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  And this was would have been three and a half, four years ago.
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  Uh every post I made on LinkedIn, I had a huge following.
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  20,000 plus, 25,000.
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  Just, you know, a lot of my material went viral because it's it's pretty interesting and it's science-based.
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  And everything I was posting, they would remove, call it false and misleading and uh remove it.
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  And my very last post on LinkedIn, I said, I think I'm about to be banned and deplatformed.
• 23:27
  They removed that post, called it false and misleading, and then banned and deplatforming.
• 23:33
  Now that's funny.
• 23:35
  Now that is funny.
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  And so I was off, I was off.
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  They wouldn't allow me to get back on.
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  I was off for almost three years.
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  And suddenly uh four months ago, I was back on LinkedIn.
• 23:49
  I said, okay, well, so I'm I'm back up now.
• 23:52
  Uh, but they I've had other colleagues on LinkedIn that got the same.
• 23:55
  Of course, uh, Twitter or X now is is a wide open space.
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  So we're we're free to post what we want there.
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  Um, but if you still, if you still look on LinkedIn, I I as of last week, they they were blocking, so you couldn't even see my posts on LinkedIn.
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  You had to go back to four years ago where my if you go on my LinkedIn account, we're the only ones you could find.
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  And so they're still and so yeah, we're being silenced.
• 24:21
  And again, they're using this, it's called the consensus opinion.
• 24:25
  You've heard of this 97% of climate scientists say that uh that we're having unusual and unprecedented warm warming and it's being driven by carbon dioxide, which is the control knob of atmospheric temperature.
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  And the science is settled.
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  There is no debate, you must be silenced.
• 24:45
  And again, it's consensus.
• 24:47
  Uh Michael Crichton, there was some great quotes about it.
• 24:51
  That Michael Crichton, the great author.
• 24:53
  Um, he he wrote uh he said, Science is not consensus, and consensus is not science.
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  My favorite quote was by uh Nobel physics laureate Richard Feynman, who said, Now think about this is a great quote.
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  I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
• 25:15
  Ooh, that's very good.
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  You will use that.
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  You're gonna use that going forward.
• 25:20
  That's very, very good.
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  And that's what we have.
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  That's what we have.
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  We have we're told what the answer is, and you dare not question us.
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  You dare not.
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  You must be silenced because we're right, you're wrong.
• 25:33
  And it's but again is finished, like the science is ever done, right?
• 25:38
  It's never done.
• 25:39
  I think this is a really good price, Greg, for us to take a quick break uh to hear from our sponsors because that is a great place for to let that sink in.
• 25:48
  You know, we have to have things to be questioned.
• 25:51
  Everything needs to be questioned.
• 25:52
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• 33:35
  Today we're talking with Gregory White Wright Stone about his latest book, A Very Convenient Warming, How Moderus Modest Warming and More CO2 are benefiting humanity.
• 33:48
  But let me tell you a little bit more about our guest, Gregory Wrightstone.
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  Gregory is a geologist, best-selling author, and executive director of the CO2 coalition, the preeminent scientific organization in the world that disputes the consensus narrative of man-made catastrophic warming.
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  His first book, Inconvenient Facts, the science that Al Gore doesn't want you to know, was a number one bestseller on Amazon multiple times.
• 34:15
  Mr.
• 34:16
  Wright Stone's expertise has earned him a position as an expert reviewer for the intergovernmental panel on climate change, which is really important.
• 34:26
  Greg, welcome back to the show.
• 34:28
  Is there a consensus on climate change?
• 34:31
  Or is it is it really man-made?
• 34:33
  Or is it just one of the warming and cooling cycles of the planet?
• 34:37
  No, it's certainly.
• 34:44
  Yes, it's just not very great.
• 34:46
  And it's overwhelmed by the natural forces.
• 34:48
  And again, the greenhouse effect is a real thing.
• 34:52
  But again, the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapor, probably 90%, 85%, 90%, depending on the humidity of the atmosphere.
• 34:59
  But it's around 90% from the greenhouse gas warming is water vapor and CO2 and the other greenhouse gases that are we emit methane, CO2, nitrous oxide, uh, those things uh have an extra extremely small amount.
• 35:15
  And we're seeing that the natural forces that you referenced uh are the main drivers of CO2 of temperature, uh increases and decrease.
• 35:24
  They're really big drivers that are the related to planetary effects that are on, for example, the the wobble of the earth, they're they're called the melancholy cycles that those are the things that cycle us between terrible, uh very cold uh glacial advances and the welcome interglacial periods like we're in now, thankfully.
• 35:45
  Um, but it's mainly the big natural forces that have been.
• 35:48
  If you look over the back back over the last 10,000 years, there have been nine other great warming trends.
• 35:56
  We're in a warming trend like we talked about before.
• 35:58
  Uh we go back, if we look back to the first great uh rise of empires and civilizations around the world, uh, the Babylonians, the Hittites, the Assyrians, the Harappan Empire in the Indus River Valley, all of these great civilizations rose up during one of the really warm periods, which was called the Minoan warm period.
• 36:20
  And it was it was much, much warmer uh than it is today.
• 36:24
  Uh and those civilizations flourished, but when it started getting cold, again, naturally driven cold, uh, all of those civilizations, all of those civilizations and empires collapsed, maybe in as short as 50 or 100 years, all at the same time, likely all due to increasing or decreasing temperatures.
• 36:44
  Uh, the decreasing temperatures meant uh the whether they had crop failure, famine, pestilence, and mass depopulation.
• 36:51
  So each of the pre the other warming trends over the last 5,000 or so years.
• 36:56
  The next was the Roman warm period, the medieval warm period, and then our current modern warming period.
• 37:02
  All of those were hugely beneficial to humanity.
• 37:05
  And it was the intervening cold periods that were just horrific.
• 37:09
  Again, each of the cold periods were associated with crop failure, famine, pestilence, and mass depopulation.
• 37:16
  That's not a good combination.
• 37:18
  And we will likely be there again at some point.
• 37:22
  No, we're not going to likely be.
• 37:23
  We will be there again.
• 37:25
  When will that occur?
• 37:27
  I don't know.
• 37:29
  It might we might be going into one of those cold periods right now.
• 37:33
  It might not be for 100 or 300 or 500 years, hopefully.
• 37:37
  But when it does come, it will be again the word I like to use is horrific.
• 37:42
  Now, there's another book that's out there that's written.
• 37:44
  I admit I haven't read it, but I've heard the topic, and I've heard this gentleman on podcast before.
• 37:49
  He's written a book called Not by Fire but by ice.
• 37:53
  That would be kind of like the destruction of the planet, you know, more than global warming and all this heat that's going on or claimed to be going on by the increasing of uh of these gases.
• 38:04
  It was it would really be the the what would be this destruction to humanity would be another ice age.
• 38:11
  You know, from that way.
• 38:13
  You know, I've said for a long time, you know, it's better to, you know, the difference between hot and cold is like and cold, you can put on another sweater.
• 38:21
  When it gets hot, you can only go down the skin.
• 38:24
  You can't get cooler than that.
• 38:25
  I've not I've not heard of that book.
• 38:26
  I'm gonna have to buy that.
• 38:28
  Uh yeah, it's been around for a while.
• 38:30
  You might be interesting to hear him hear what he has to say.
• 38:34
  Uh, that kind of goes along with what you're saying.
• 38:36
  You know, in your book, a very convenient warming, other that temperature that changes in temperature are drive up CO2, not the other way around.
• 38:45
  Let me say that again for the audience.
• 38:47
  You say in your book that changes in temperature drive up CO2, not the other way around.
• 38:53
  It's not the elevation of CO2 that drives up the temperature.
• 38:56
  That's really astounding information when I read when I read it in your book.
• 39:00
  And people, you guys really need to get this book.
• 39:02
  This is really amazing.
• 39:03
  And it's got all these incredible charts and graphs and documented data, but it's written in a language that that people like me, who's not a geologist and not a scientist, and just you know, can really understand it and see the graphs and see it for yourself.
• 39:19
  I mean, that is astounding information.
• 39:21
  How is that so?
• 39:23
  Well, it's counterintuitive that warming, it's it's really the oceans that are driving the big changes.
• 39:30
  Now we've got to be looking what what's happening recently over the last 75 or so years is a little bit different because we're we are now emitting huge amounts of CO2 by burning fossil fuels.
• 39:41
  But over the last several million years, it was the oceans that were the great drivers of CO2 in and out of the atmosphere.
• 39:48
  A cold ocean sucks up CO2 out of the atmosphere into the cold oceans.
• 39:54
  A warming ocean expels CO2.
• 39:58
  So as the ocean warms.
• 40:00
  CO2 is increasing because of the temperature increase.
• 40:04
  And it's again, it's a little bit counterintuitive because normally you'd think, well, um, if you add salt or sugar to water, you the hotter it is, the more you can add.
• 40:15
  It's just the opposite for uh for these gases.
• 40:17
  And so the cold oceans, again, suck up CO2, warming oceans expel it.
• 40:23
  Uh, but again, that's it's been turned on its head since we started the the industrial revolution.
• 40:29
  Uh, and now the changes in atmospheric CO2 are definitely being controlled by what we're emitting.
• 40:37
  Again, when we burn fossil fuels, and again, we talked about methane.
• 40:42
  One of the easiest things that we can talk about is that methane molecule, because it's a very simple molecule, uh, a carbon and four hydrogens that you it creates two molecules of water vapor and one molecule of carbon dioxide, and that's what's driving the increase.
• 41:00
  So we before the industrial revolution, I'm not going to give you a bunch of numbers, but we were under 300 parts per million, 280.
• 41:08
  To now, today we're over 400 at 430.
• 41:11
  And so that's been a 50% increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
• 41:16
  Um, and it's from us using fossil fuels.
• 41:19
  And I'm okay with that.
• 41:21
  I'm okay.
• 41:22
  Uh, and you know, I I'm I've got a large carbon footprint, thankfully, and I'm proud of it.
• 41:28
  Um we should all be proud because when you're doing that with a large carbon footprint, you're helping feed the planet, you're helping create and increase agricultural productivity.
• 41:39
  And also the fossil fuels.
• 41:41
  We talked about warming and CO2 uh greatly impacting and increasing carbon or excuse me, agricultural productivity.
• 41:49
  There's a third uh leg of that stool that's really driving agricultural productivity, and that occurred in the in the 20th century uh with the increased use of of uh nitrogen fertilizer, and that nitrogen fertilizer is created using mainly natural gas.
• 42:05
  And so we've got fossil fuel fueling nitrogen fertilizer, which is fueling agricultural productivity, which is turbocharge by warming in more CO2.
• 42:16
  And the agricultural productivity is you you'll hear me talking a lot about this because it's important.
• 42:23
  That's one of the most important things that's going on is instead of predictions of famine uh and drought, what we find is that agricultural productivity is outpacing population growth.
• 42:36
  And in the book you saw that I have a graph from the uh the uh uh our world in data that the documents that uh agricultural acreage being used is pretty flat, so it's not increasing, but agricultural productivity is greatly outpacing the population growth.
• 42:56
  And so it's it's another one of these claims that uh are just not so.
• 43:02
  You know, climate anxiety among young people is really real.
• 43:06
  I mean, you you mentioned Breta Thunberg, who you know, kind of like cranked up the anxiety with her theatrics, I will call them.
• 43:15
  But but other than her, a young people are really concerned.
• 43:19
  I mean, there are groups of young girls that have decided they are never going to have children because they don't want to bring them into the world because the world's gonna end.
• 43:26
  And and it seems like young people have tend to have more anxiety about the future anyways.
• 43:32
  What is the CO2 coalition doing to help address that issue?
• 43:37
  Yeah, that's that's one of the it's it's a great pride that I take in what we're we've done.
• 43:41
  I had members that came to us a few years ago, came to me and said they were very concerned about the state of science education in the United States, really globally, but in the United States, uh they were concerned their grandchildren were being inducted into this climate cult, that they were being taught groupthink and consensus science and not being taught critical thinking skills or the scientific method.
• 44:04
  And so we did something about that, created our climate initiative, and we call it education, not indoctrination.
• 44:11
  And so we've we've created a whole series of books, illustrated, uh basically comics, but they're they're science-based.
• 44:20
  Um wonderfully illustrated videos that are science-based.
• 44:25
  And importantly, uh, Dr.
• 44:27
  Sharon Camp is our uh senior education advisor.
• 44:31
  She's got a PhD in analytic chemistry.
• 44:34
  She was an AP science teacher, she's an AP science reader, a gifted scientist.
• 44:40
  She she creates our lesson plans.
• 44:42
  We provide that at no charge.
• 44:44
  Go to our website, CO2learning center.org.
• 44:48
  Uh, the whole homeschool community has really embraced us.
• 44:52
  We attended six different uh education conferences uh this year.
• 44:56
  We'll do about the same next year.
• 44:58
  And again, the homeschool community just loves us because we provide this material free of charge.
• 45:03
  And my latest book actually is Chloe the Clownfish sleeps well.
• 45:08
  And it's it's what we call the sleep well series.
• 45:12
  Again, you know, we were able to use these wonderfully illustrative books.
• 45:16
  Chloe lives on the Great Barrier Reef.
• 45:18
  She's a clown fish, and she was taught in school that her home and her family were in great danger because of climate change and man-made uh warming, and they were all in great danger.
• 45:28
  And so we're I worked and collaborated with Dr.
• 45:30
  Peter Ridd uh of Australia, noted uh expert on the Great Barrier Reef to create this book to get the science right.
• 45:38
  And so we're able to tell the story to Chloe that tells the truth about the Great Barrier Reef that's thriving and prospering.
• 45:46
  And so at the end of the story, of course, uh, she's able to sleep well at night.
• 45:51
  And we're here, we we were we repeat that.
• 45:53
  We've got a second one in the series coming up called Foxy the Fruit Bat Sleeps Well, about a fruit back on the Maldives Island that again was can't sleep because the island's going to be underwater in a few years.
• 46:05
  And so we're able to, and right now I'm working on one, it's called Melvin the Manatee sleeps well.
• 46:11
  And so I'm calling you from my home south of Tampa in Florida.
• 46:15
  And so Melvin and his mother live in the warm waters of Tampa Bay, but sometimes it gets very, very cold and they can't survive.
• 46:22
  Uh and in 2020, there was there was a mass die-off because of the cold, very cold water.
• 46:27
  And these manatees, they look like they have they don't have blubber.
• 46:31
  They have no insulation.
• 46:32
  They look fat and they are, uh, but it's a non-insulating type of uh fat, like seals, walrus, and the other uh in the Arctic have blubber that are very good insulation.
• 46:44
  And so they'll die.
• 46:45
  These manatees will die.
• 46:47
  Uh, but Melvin and his mother are able to swim up up to up the bay and into this inlet right north of where I am talking to you uh to the Tico coal-fired power plant.
• 46:59
  And because of the coal-fired power plant, Melvin and his mother are able to survive cold spells in Tampa Bay.
• 47:05
  And so uh, you know, they're good, yeah, they're gonna hate this book, you know.
• 47:10
  Coal-fired power plant saving the manatees.
• 47:13
  But it's I want to I'm gonna show this this a little like these these illustrations to the people who are watching this.
• 47:19
  I know the people that are listening to it can't see it, but the people that are watching it, they're just delightful, and they're written to maybe seventh and eighth, seven and eight-year-olds.
• 47:29
  Is that about the level?
• 47:31
  Yes.
• 47:33
  College kids just and older, even the adults, they look at that and they're lovely.
• 47:38
  It's and it's really well written, and the the diagrams and everything are delightful.
• 47:43
  But your book, your entire book is like that.
• 47:46
  It's got diagrams like the history of the gracial glacial retreat from glacial bay.
• 47:52
  And I love this one chart that we talked about just briefly.
• 47:55
  This one that talks about predictive modeling.
• 47:58
  And how predictive modeling really doesn't have much to do with reality.
• 48:02
  Talk about that a little bit.
• 48:04
  Well, uh, Dr.
• 48:06
  Uh uh well, Roy Spencer and and um uh his colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
• 48:13
  Um they've taken a look at their experts on temperature measurements uh using satellite data, and they've taken a look at at the predictive models, there were over 100 of them.
• 48:24
  And out of the 100 models, there was only one of the models, climate models that got it right, and that was the Russian model.
• 48:30
  And they they the Russian model nailed it pretty good.
• 48:33
  Uh, but all of the other models lumped together exaggerated, over exaggerated.
• 48:39
  Is that a word?
• 48:40
  I don't think so, but it's an exaggerated warming uh like two and a half to three times too much.
• 48:46
  And so what they're doing, and that's that's what a lot of this is is based on.
• 48:50
  They're they're talking about spending trillions of dollars, and they're basing basing it on models that don't work and are just horribly flawed.
• 48:59
  And so we need to we need to move away from that and look at the real world.
• 49:03
  What's what's the real world telling us?
• 49:06
  You know, you you mentioned right before we started having our conversation here that you know they're predicting these temperature rises to the year 2000 for 2100 for the years ahead, and you know, within a tenth of a degree, and they can't even oftentimes accurately predict the weather tomorrow.
• 49:23
  Yeah.
• 49:24
  Another this will make you laugh too.
• 49:26
  This is so what they're talking about, they're saying you've probably heard this.
• 49:30
  Um, if we if we get temperature increase by 1.5 degrees Celsius over the pre-industrial temperature, it's all over.
• 49:39
  Climate crisis and doom and gloom, we're all gonna die, crops will die.
• 49:44
  Okay.
• 49:45
  So they're they're saying it can't get more than 1.5 degrees.
• 49:49
  It's already warmed 1.2 degrees Celsius since 1850.
• 49:54
  So what they're really warning us about is three tenths of a degree Celsius warming.
• 49:58
  That's half a degree Fahrenheit.
• 50:00
  Since we started this interview, your temperature in your studio studio there probably increased or decreased by that much, and you'd never know it.
• 50:10
  It increases by that much between 11 a.m.
• 50:12
  and noon every single day.
• 50:14
  Um, and if you're that worried about half a degree warming, move 17 miles further north, and your average temperature will be half a degree Fahrenheit cooler than what it is where you are right now.
• 50:28
  And when you think about things like that and put it in that kind of context, it's stupid.
• 50:34
  And people just don't, they haven't thought this through at all.
• 50:38
  Uh, and again, history tells us that warming is really, really good.
• 50:43
  And so Al Gore, John Kerry, Greta Thunberg, they would call me a science denier.
• 50:49
  I would call them history deniers because they're denying what history tells us.
• 50:54
  History tells us conclusively that warming is good, cold is bad.
• 51:00
  We should welcome the warmth and fear the cold.
• 51:02
  That's what history tells us.
• 51:04
  That's that's really, really good.
• 51:06
  You know, between your two books.
• 51:09
  I mean, because I think this came out, the inconvenient facts just came out about two years ago now.
• 51:13
  Oh no, it's uh 2017, actually.
• 51:16
  Oh gosh.
• 51:17
  Okay.
• 51:18
  Well, what is the difference between your two because they're both wonderful?
• 51:23
  They're both there, you know.
• 51:24
  I get a lot of books that come through on my desk.
• 51:26
  Um, and there are only a few that I hold on to definitely.
• 51:30
  And these are two of them that go per on my permanent shelf back behind me.
• 51:34
  So thank you.
• 51:35
  There um, the first book again.
• 51:38
  I I go I go further in this next book.
• 51:40
  I talk more about the benefits of what's actually happening in the first book.
• 51:45
  My eyes, as I was going through it, I was going, my eyes got wide.
• 51:50
  I said, they're lying to us.
• 51:51
  They're lying to us about this, this, this, and this.
• 51:54
  And that's what I did in my in the first book, Inconvenient Facts was to point out what they're getting wrong, what they're saying, they're telling you the X, and the truth is why.
• 52:04
  Uh, this next book, I've gone beyond that to really tout just the wonderful benefits.
• 52:11
  And again, I bring you great tidings of glad joy, glad or is it glad tidings of great joy, whatever it is.
• 52:17
  It's a really good story.
• 52:18
  The second book is is how beneficial it is.
• 52:23
  There is no climate crisis.
• 52:25
  And in fact, the world and our ecosystems are thriving and prospering.
• 52:29
  It's it's a story that needs to get out there, and it will get out there.
• 52:34
  But we had you talked to me about our education component.
• 52:37
  I you may not be aware.
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  Only two states in the United States teach the scientific method as part of the scientific curricula.
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  We had because of our work in 2024, uh, we added North Carolina to add the scientific method.
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  We we were this close with Texas.
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  And if Texas, if if it and we're we're confident we'll get it this year, we just ran out of time.
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  And when Texas goes, there'll probably be another uh 13 or 15 other states that will go along with it.
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  Because as Texas does, other states follow.
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  When it comes to edge science education, they'll be using the same books.
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  And so we're we're out there teaching the the people.
• 53:17
  We we have people connect with us because of that.
• 53:20
  And again, grandparents care about their grandchildren.
• 53:25
  Parents care about their children, but they they want a world, they want their children educated properly.
• 53:31
  They don't want again them to be taught consensus science and group thing, which is what they're being taught today.
• 53:39
  And so we're doing something about it.
• 53:42
  Well, we've got just about two minutes left, Greg.
• 53:45
  How what is the takeaway message from from this whole thing about climate change, but specifically about a very convenient warming?
• 53:53
  And where's the best place for them to go to get your book?
• 53:56
  Yeah, I if you want the book, just you just search for two words, convenient warming, and you'll find it.
• 54:02
  Uh, and for the Chloe the clownfish, just again search for Chloe the clownfish, and you'll be able to the easiest place is Amazon, of course, to buy it.
• 54:11
  And uh Chloe, the clownfish, seven bucks.
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  Come on, you can afford, go buy five and give it to all your grandkids or children.
• 54:19
  Uh, spread it, spread the wealth, give it out.
• 54:22
  It's only seven bucks.
• 54:23
  Um, but convenient warming is uh like you say it.
• 54:26
  My goal, and I think I from what you're telling me, I was successful in creating uh an I was gonna say entertaining, but educational uh book that's readable and understandable by those that aren't scientists.
• 54:40
  And that was my goal.
• 54:42
  And and again, it was wonderfully illustrated with I think there are 70 or 80, 80 charts in within the book, so it's not just all text and it's in color.
• 54:52
  There you go.
• 54:53
  Um, one last word, just for one minute about the CO2 coalition.
• 54:59
  Yeah, the CO2 coalition was formed 10 years ago.
• 55:02
  Uh, we're 200 plus of the top scientists and experts in the world uh that believe as I do that CO2 is a huge benefit, temperature is not is beneficial as well.
• 55:14
  Uh and we're we're aiming uh to provide that information to political leaders as well.
• 55:18
  We're we produce large numbers of commentaries, uh scientific reports.
• 55:23
  Uh we're doing amicus briefs and commenting on things like the Department of Energy Endangerment Finding, uh, the various uh Department of Energy, uh excuse me, that was the EPA endangerment finding.
• 55:35
  And so we're we're we're weighing in on Capitol Hill uh to provide our I was gonna say our facts, they aren't our facts, they are the facts about climate change.
• 55:46
  And so I'm very proud of what we've been doing.
• 55:48
  We've been very well.
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  I'm really proud to have had you on the show here today, Greg, because um, you know, your information that Greg White Wright Stone, W-R-I-G-H-T, S T-O-N-E, Greg White has put out here for us is just amazing.
• 56:04
  And I think it's really, really like you said, a good story that needs to be told.
• 56:09
  So I want to thank you so much for being here with us today and thank all of our listeners who have listened to this.
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  Please share this information and spread it around so that if you've got young people that have a lot of anxiety about climate change, you can bring them a story of glad tidings and good joy that it's really not true, and they can be they can rest and sleep easily, like he's been talking about in this other book, Chloe the Count the Clownfish.
• 56:33
  So with that, I want to close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
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  I close every one of my podcasts with because it's so important, which is Romans 12, 12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer.
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  Remember to lead into God, he'll never let you down.
• 56:49
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• 57:20
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