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The Canadian Pedophile Ring That Scarred The Nation · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Predator rings run by the elite are widespread. Many of
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  Speaker 1: them occur right under our noses here in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: some we've covered in past episodes, and more that are
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  Speaker 1: yet to come. Unfortunately, we've also discussed several worldwide predator rings,
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  Speaker 1: such as the ones in Ireland, Britain, Australia, Belgium. There's
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  Speaker 1: so many more, just to name a few. But when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Canada, our own neighboring country, does their
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  Speaker 1: reputation precede them. Canada is known for their friendliness and politeness,
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  Speaker 1: their safety, their stability, the diversity of their populations, and
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  Speaker 1: their healthcare programs. Canada is essentially painted to be everything
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  Speaker 1: that the US is, not, the perfect younger sibling. But
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  Speaker 1: the mask must eventually come off. And what do you
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  Speaker 1: find beneath the perfect facade? Corruption, just like anywhere else, hate, crimes,
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  Speaker 1: gang activity, robberies, assault, and probably the least surprising. In
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  Speaker 1: the early two thousands, Canada was booming. The economy was
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  Speaker 1: doing great, unemployment fell, and Canada had just gotten over
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  Speaker 1: a massive recession that left much of the population incredibly impoverished.
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  Speaker 1: Were good and quiet until the Cornwall Public Inquiry Commission
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  Speaker 1: dropped a massive report about quote Project Truth four years
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  Speaker 1: in the making, that alleged that there was no conclusive
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  Speaker 1: evidence that a massive was running rampant in Cornwall in Ottawa,
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  Speaker 1: or that there was a conspiracy covered up by Canadian
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  Speaker 1: officials and places of authority to cover up the scandal
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  Speaker 1: hit the fan, so to speak. In today's episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to determine the truth behind Project Truth. What was
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  Speaker 1: the Cornwall Clan, what events led up to it, what
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  Speaker 1: were the effects, who were the victims, and why was
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  Speaker 1: it covered up? Just like every other country, things aren't
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  Speaker 1: always what they appeared to me. As always with this show,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. I'm not doing anything to myself.
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  Speaker 1: All parties are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a
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  Speaker 1: court of law. If you want to see the resources
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  Speaker 1: where we pulled this information from for this episode, head
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  Speaker 1: to the Conspiracy Files. So we've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 1: predator rings on this show. It's my passion is exposing
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  Speaker 1: these things because so much of it's been covered up
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  Speaker 1: and hidden, and these kids deserve justice. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: the main takeaway of doing these stories is making people aware,
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  Speaker 1: making it very obvious and apparent that we believe the victims,
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  Speaker 1: and trying our hardest to right the wrongs that society
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  Speaker 1: did to these victims, these innocent kids, telling their stories
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  Speaker 1: and documenting them. In a case like this where all
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  Speaker 1: the resources are scattered and you have to collect everything
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  Speaker 1: to create a cohesive narrative of the events, it's really
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  Speaker 1: important to me. So I know some people don't see
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  Speaker 1: it that way. But with these two projects that I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on, I'm actually leaving today for one of these projects,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be shedding some light on some really bad people.
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  Speaker 1: So just know that the stuff is really important to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think we've done a Canada case before,
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  Speaker 1: but this one is pretty dark and pretty disturbing. So
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  Speaker 1: An article in The Globe and Mail in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and six reported that allegations of the scandal that we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about today started in Cornwall, Ontario in nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: where local police began investigating a series of complaints stretching
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  Speaker 1: back to as early as the nineteen fifties. One of
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  Speaker 1: the first public allegations occurred in February of nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 1: in which a former altar boy named David Silmser approached
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  Speaker 1: officials in the Diocese of Alexandria Cornwall asking for an apology.
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  Speaker 1: David claimed that he had been by a local parish
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  Speaker 1: priest named Father Charles McDonald in nineteen sixty nine and
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  Speaker 1: he just wanted an apology, but mitchells in the church
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  Speaker 1: ignored him. He eventually went to the Cornwall Police ten
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  Speaker 1: months later. Recounting his allegations against Father Charles, David explained
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  Speaker 1: in extraordinarily gruesome detail, saying that a first occurred when
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  Speaker 1: he was twelve years old, at a time when he
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  Speaker 1: was alone with Father McDonald inside of the church building,
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  Speaker 1: the father started to touch his leg, then moved his
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  Speaker 1: hand up David's inner thigh to touch his Another incident
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  Speaker 1: David told of was that while attending a retreat at
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  Speaker 1: Saint Andrew's Church, Paris, while David was in bed in
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  Speaker 1: a private location, Father Charles entered the room, sat down
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  Speaker 1: on his bed naked, put his right hand under the blankets,
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  Speaker 1: and felt the victims under his pajamas. When David was fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: he was walking past the church when Father Charlie called
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  Speaker 1: him into his office. Father informed him that he watches
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  Speaker 1: girls walk past and himself while watching them. Then Father
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  Speaker 1: Charles grabbed David's leg and with one finger rubbed his
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  Speaker 1: inner thigh up and down. Then father grabbed his and
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  Speaker 1: David ran down the hall and out the front door. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: seven months later, father Charles took the victim for a
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  Speaker 1: ride the countryside. David initially refused, but agreed to go
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  Speaker 1: with him to discuss problems he was having in school.
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  Speaker 1: Father Charles, though, stopped the car in an isolated location,
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  Speaker 1: and after they exited the vehicle, Father Charles took off
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  Speaker 1: his pants and began David tried to escape, and he
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  Speaker 1: ran as fast as he could, but he was tackled
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  Speaker 1: by the priest, who rolled him onto his back, undid
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  Speaker 1: his pants, sat him on his stomach, and attempted into him.
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  Speaker 1: David cried and yelled and went blank. As a result
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  Speaker 1: of David's anger, he stole forty dollars from the parish.
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  Speaker 1: He was caught, charged, convicted, and placed on probation while
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  Speaker 1: aged fourteen and fifteen. His probation officer was Ken Sagein,
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  Speaker 1: Father Charlie's best friend and Segein later repeatedly David himself.
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  Speaker 1: Ken was a former Roman Catholic seminarian turned probation officer
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  Speaker 1: whose time overlapped with Father Charles when they both attended
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  Speaker 1: Saint Paul University. Additionally, numerous men came forward later on
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  Speaker 1: that they were by this parole officer Sagein, most if
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  Speaker 1: not all, while they were on probation. In January nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety three, David was interviewed by the police and asked
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  Speaker 1: to prepare a written statement, to which he did, which
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  Speaker 1: was approximately eight pages long, and this statement was turned
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  Speaker 1: over to the police on the sixteenth of February nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety three. In the years that followed David's initial complaint,
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  Speaker 1: dozens more people came forward in the Eastern Ontario community
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  Speaker 1: with allegations that they were also as children and teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: There were even claims that children were passed from one
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  Speaker 1: to another by this ring of But it didn't matter
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  Speaker 1: much because ten months after the Cornwall police first became
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  Speaker 1: aware of the allegations, and twenty one months after the
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  Speaker 1: Diocese center heard them, Father Charlie was still functioning as
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  Speaker 1: a priest. He was still heavily involved with children and
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  Speaker 1: had so much access to kids, even though all these
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  Speaker 1: allegations existed against him and his best friend from multiple victims.
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  Speaker 1: Allegations of a clan, which at the time they referred
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  Speaker 1: to as the Clan, first came to light years ago
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  Speaker 1: when Perry Dunlop asserted that such a clan was operating
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  Speaker 1: within the church and within the city itself. Skeptics, though laughed.
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  Speaker 1: He had previously been aware of a case involving Father Dislauriers,
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  Speaker 1: a Catholic priest, in nineteen eighty five. He had been
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  Speaker 1: accused of young males. Dislorier had been an active parish
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  Speaker 1: priest in the Cornwall Diocese for several years, and his
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  Speaker 1: case involved a major investigation and ultimately resulted in him
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  Speaker 1: being charged with fifteen counts of nine young men. Dislaurier
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  Speaker 1: was convicted and received two years of probation. That's all.
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  Speaker 1: He got two years of probation for nine young children,
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  Speaker 1: and afterwards he was transferred to a new parish not
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  Speaker 1: far from Cornwall, where he continued to work in the church.
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  Speaker 1: Approximately one year later from the initial investigations, in September
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety three, Perry Dunlop, constable of the Cornwall Police,
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  Speaker 1: stumbled upon David's victim statement, the one we talked about
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  Speaker 1: before with Father Charles. He quickly discovered that the file
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  Speaker 1: had been lying dormant for months, contrary to routine police procedure,
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  Speaker 1: and had been secreted. It had been hidden people had
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  Speaker 1: been essentially told, let this sit here, we don't need
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  Speaker 1: to investigate this right now. Additionally, he found that David
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  Speaker 1: Slimser had apparently made a monetary settlement with the diocese
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  Speaker 1: and asked for his case to be dropped. Dunlop was astounded.
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  Speaker 1: Father Charles was his parish priest, he had officiated his
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  Speaker 1: wedding and baptized his first daughter, and he was still
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  Speaker 1: functioning as a priest with free and completely unlimited access
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  Speaker 1: to children. The victim's allegations against father Charles were believable
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  Speaker 1: yet extremely disturbing, and Dunlop believed that they warranted scrutiny
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  Speaker 1: and investigation. But this thing was clearly going nowhere. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: Dunlop made the decision to turn it over to the
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  Speaker 1: Children's Aid Society. Ontario Child and Family Services Acts required
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  Speaker 1: professionals such as police officers to report suspected cases to
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  Speaker 1: this society, the Children's Aid Society, and that action alone
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  Speaker 1: was what got the ball rolling on this entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: By early January nineteen ninety four, the media had latched
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  Speaker 1: onto the settlement story and word was out in the
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  Speaker 1: public domain that the diocese in their city had made
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  Speaker 1: a hush money deal with the child who had been
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly by a priest. And due to this publicity until
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  Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety nine, males began contacting Dunlop, the officer,
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  Speaker 1: with allegations that they had against prominent men in their community. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: since law enforcement was obviously not pursuing the investigations, Dunlop
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  Speaker 1: and a group of citizens went so far as Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: to confirm or refute allegations that members of a clan
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  Speaker 1: frequented a CD area of that city, where they allegedly
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  Speaker 1: routinely engaged instead with the young children. In those intervening years,
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  Speaker 1: Perry Dunlop passed affidavits and documentation containing its allegations against
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  Speaker 1: a number of pillars in the community to his superiors,
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  Speaker 1: including members of the local clergy, lawyers, doctors, police officers, teachers,
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  Speaker 1: and probation officers. All these people were working with each
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  Speaker 1: other in tandem to violently un children. He then passed
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  Speaker 1: this documentation that he had gathered to Solicitor General Robert Runsman,
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General Charles Harnick, and Julian Fantino, then chief of
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  Speaker 1: Ontario's London Police Service. Eventually, mounting public pressure and Dunlop's persistence,
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  Speaker 1: obliged the Ontario Provincial Police to strike a probe to
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  Speaker 1: investigate the allegations. Finally, they were starting to look into this,
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  Speaker 1: and finally, in August nineteen ninety seven, Project Truth, an
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  Speaker 1: investigative team comprising of one inspector and four detectives, was
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  Speaker 1: formed to investigate Dunlop's persistent charges that existed in their city.
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  Speaker 1: The entire investigation took four years, but commenced in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine and eventually led to a public inquiry into
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  Speaker 1: institutions like the police departments, the local Catholic diocese and
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  Speaker 1: the Children's Aid Society itself. The investigation through public truth
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  Speaker 1: resulted in one hundred and fourteen criminal charges against fifteen individuals.
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  Speaker 1: Some of those men were named by Dunlop, including Father Charles,
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  Speaker 1: while others were not. Of the fifteen charged, one played guilty,
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  Speaker 1: several died before standing trial, and everyone else walked free.
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  Speaker 1: Eight other alleged involved were never even charged in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. The twenty three accused at the time were
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  Speaker 1: the following. There was Nelson Bark, a probation officer who
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  Speaker 1: unlived himself before standing trial. There was Lionel Carrier brother
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  Speaker 1: George Edmund, seventy eight years old, a former teacher in Alexandria,
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  Speaker 1: who was deemed unfit to stand trial because of poor health.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there's Thomas Cronin, the speech therapist at the
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  Speaker 1: Cornwall General Hospital. He was charged and convicted in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two, sentenced to six years. Brian Before, a
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  Speaker 1: childcare worker charged with two counts of indecent on a
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  Speaker 1: male two counts of gross indecency. He worked at Lauren Crest,
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  Speaker 1: a facility for troubled youth, but unfortunately Brian also self
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  Speaker 1: unlived before he could stand trial or reveal what he
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  Speaker 1: knew about the ring. There's Marshall Killer Gagnant, a former
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  Speaker 1: referee with the Junior Kids Hockey League, said to be
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  Speaker 1: a friend of local fathers Paul Lapierre and Eduard Barup.
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  Speaker 1: He was charged in nineteen sixty nine and pled guilty
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  Speaker 1: for crimes against children, put on probation on condition that
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  Speaker 1: he stay away from Cornwall. Then there's Guilf Grigain, a
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  Speaker 1: Roman Catholic school teacher. Ned Hansen a choir master at
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  Speaker 1: Cornwall Trinity who also spent a brief period of time
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  Speaker 1: teaching music at Sir John Johnson Public School in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty three and sixty four. He was actually charged and
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  Speaker 1: convicted with of Toronto choir boys in nineteen ninety two
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  Speaker 1: years before this all came out and he was implicated
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  Speaker 1: in this ring, and he died in two thousand. There's
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  Speaker 1: also Larry Han, who a witness during the inquiry, testified
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  Speaker 1: when he was in a foster home owned by Larry Han. However,
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  Speaker 1: Larry Han is dead and he was never charged. Then
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  Speaker 1: there's Richard Hickerson, a Canada Manpower employee who was a
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  Speaker 1: close friend of Ken sagein who's that parole officer who
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  Speaker 1: to our first victim? And Nelson Bark Now Richard Hickerson
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  Speaker 1: also before standing trial and being able to reveal what
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  Speaker 1: he knew about this ring. I think if you notice
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  Speaker 1: there are people who know the parole officers in this
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  Speaker 1: case who are implicated, who end up self deleting before
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  Speaker 1: they can get to trial and spill the beans on
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  Speaker 1: what they knew and how deep this all went. There's
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  Speaker 1: also Keith Jenoy, the Justice of the Peace and former
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  Speaker 1: director of the United Way. He was convicted of one
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  Speaker 1: count of a twenty one year old male in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty five, but when he was charged in two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: the charges were dropped or withdrawn due apparently to insufficient evidence,
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  Speaker 1: even though he'd been convicted of a somewhat similar charge
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  Speaker 1: in the past. Then there's Brian Kioe, a CS worker
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  Speaker 1: who was investigated by Cornwall police in ninety four before
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  Speaker 1: this all came to light, no charges were ever filed.
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  Speaker 1: There's also Marcel Lalan, who was a Roman Catholic schoolteacher, charged,
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  Speaker 1: convicted in two thousand and one and placed on not
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  Speaker 1: in prison house arrest. There's also Earl Landry Junior, the
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  Speaker 1: son of former police chief Earl Lamb injury. He was
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  Speaker 1: charged and convicted and given a six year sentence. Roach Landry,
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  Speaker 1: who was seventy a former butcher, was charged with three
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  Speaker 1: counts of indecent three counts of gross indecency, but he
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  Speaker 1: also died before standing trial and being able to spill
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  Speaker 1: the beans and tell investigators in the public what he
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  Speaker 1: knew about this predator ring operating in their city. Then
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  Speaker 1: there's Ernest Lapointe, who his own daughter. He was charged
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  Speaker 1: with the crime, he was tried for the crime, and
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  Speaker 1: he was acquitted for the crime of his own daughter.
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  Speaker 1: He self deleted in early two thousand and seven. Then
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  Speaker 1: there's Harvey Latour, sixty nine years old at the time,
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  Speaker 1: the owner of a popular breakfast diner in the city.
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  Speaker 1: He was charged with one count of indecent but he
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  Speaker 1: was found quote and this is a quote from them,
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  Speaker 1: not guilty enough end quote, meaning there was some evidence,
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  Speaker 1: but just not enough evidence to fight him guilty. Then
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  Speaker 1: George Sandy Lawrence, seventy years old, an organist and the
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  Speaker 1: former owner of a music store. He was charged with
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  Speaker 1: one count of indecent than one count of gross in decency,
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  Speaker 1: but he was acquitted by Justice Charboneaux. Charboneaux stated that
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  Speaker 1: Lawrence's evidence was totally confused, inconsistent and full of contradictions,
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  Speaker 1: so he was let free. Then there's Jean Luke LeBlanc
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  Speaker 1: fifty four years old, a bus driver and former Transport
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  Speaker 1: Canada Training Institute employee. One count of a female underage,
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  Speaker 1: one count of indecent on a female underage, three counts
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  Speaker 1: of two counts of invitation for his two counts of
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  Speaker 1: gross indecency, one count of obtaining, one count of on
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  Speaker 1: a female, five counts of it on a male in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, after charge with all those charges,
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  Speaker 1: he entered a guilty plea and I'm honestly unsure of
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened to him. Then there's Jacques le Duke
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  Speaker 1: forty eight years old, a lawyer and legal counsel for
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  Speaker 1: the diaces the Catholic church where these priests were working.
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  Speaker 1: A canon lawyer who was married at the time. In
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, he was charged with five counts of
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  Speaker 1: six counts of a lot charges dealing with these children
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  Speaker 1: and forced encounters. Yet his own name still appeared as
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  Speaker 1: a member of the tribunal, meaning he wasn't stripped of
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  Speaker 1: his titles or duties or anything. The year after he
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  Speaker 1: was charged with all those counts, in March of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine, four more charges were laid against him, but
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and one the charges were stayed by
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  Speaker 1: Justice James Chadwick. In two thousand and three they were
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  Speaker 1: ordered back to trial by Justice John Laskin. In October
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand and four, there was a stay of
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  Speaker 1: proceedings granted by Justice Terrence Platana, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what happened to him at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: There's also James Lewis, a forty five year old man,
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  Speaker 1: a very good friend of a man named Richard Hickerson.
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  Speaker 1: He was charged and acquitted of possession of CP in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two, but then in two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: five he was charged and convicted with the same crime,
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  Speaker 1: and then charged and convicted with indecent two years later.
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  Speaker 1: A real quality gentleman. Then there's a Malcolm McDonald, sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine years old, a Roman Catholic lawyer, former Crown Attorney
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  Speaker 1: and Knight of the Order of Saint John of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 1: In March of ninety nine, Malcolm was charged with two
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  Speaker 1: counts of indecent and one of gross indecency. He died
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, before standing trial.
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  Speaker 1: Some have said that his death was surrounded by questionable circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about later. Then there's Milton MacDonald,
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  Speaker 1: the father of Crown Attorney Murray McDonald, who's said to
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  Speaker 1: be related to Malcolm McDonald. Milton was charged and convicted
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  Speaker 1: of nine underage boys from nineteen sixty three to ninety two.
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  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to twenty months in prison in ninety
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  Speaker 1: five for these less than two years. He was also
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  Speaker 1: charged in the past in nineteen sixty nine for a
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  Speaker 1: similar offense, and they still give him less than two
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  Speaker 1: years in prison. Then there's doctor Arthur Peachey, a seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven year old a Roman Catholic family physician, former coroner,
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  Speaker 1: team doctor for the Cornwall Royals hockey team, an acting
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  Speaker 1: physician for the Cornwall Police. He was charged with one
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  Speaker 1: count of indecent and three counts of gross indecency once again,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Arthur Peachey died right before he was able to
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  Speaker 1: stand trial. I don't say that it was a self deletion.
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  Speaker 1: Others say he was killed. Then there's Raymond Rivett, a
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  Speaker 1: forty nine year old Roman Catholic convicted of his own daughter.
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  Speaker 1: He was charged, pled guilty in January of nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to one hundred and eighty days in jail in
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  Speaker 1: three years of probation. One hundred and eighty days, so
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: essentially six months in jail for his own blood daughter.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And he this is insane. You got three years of probation,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: but this guy after his own daughter. He was released
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: from prison and sent to a halfway house after only
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: serving a few weeks of his sentence in prison. Then
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: there's Robert Suborn, a Roman Catholic school teacher who was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: charged and found guilty on several counts of involving young boys.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to two years. So, as you can
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: see from this list, there were a number of people
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: who died before they could stand trial. There were a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: number of people who were completely acquitted of crimes that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: they most likely definitely did. And then on top of that,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the people who were convicted. I mean, one guy got
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, people got two years. The max
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I think was six years for multiple kids. It's hard
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to believe that. I mean, it's crazy that teacher that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: we just talked about. Robert Saborian. People in positions of authority,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: both in and out of his school, who were told
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that Robert was people they failed to contact the police
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: or the CIS at any point. His victims include Andre
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: LaVoi and Elaine Sageine, both of whom testified at this inquiry.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Then there's fifty nine year old Bernard saov, an entrepreneur,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: one count of gross indecency and indecent assault. His trial
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was canceled. He appeared with a medical doctor and the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: cancelation of the trial was apparently for medical reasons. He
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was too sick to face justice. Poor guy. Then there's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Ken Sagein, the probation officer we talked about before, former
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: seminarian known to have had a homosexual relationship with father
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Charles MacDonald. David and numerous other victims came forward saying
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Ken allegedly at his waterfront property in Somerstown in nineteen
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: ninety two. Ken Sageen allegedly had several of his probationary
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: clients at his house and at the time he, according
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to reports, gave them alcohol and one of the probationary clients,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: one of the kids that he was overseeing on probation,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: somehow got access to a gun and one of the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: other ones. Ken Sageen received a notice from the Ministry
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of Justice later indicating that it was improper to allow
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: clients to visit his residence and to serve them alcohol.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: He was given disciplinary action, no prison time, no jail time,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist. Victim Robert Sheets, reported that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: he was by Richard Hickerson and fellow probation officer Nelson Bark.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Probation officer Ken Sageen, according to this victim, would watch
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and while his other officers and friends were the child.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: On November fifteenth, nineteen ninety three, after David, the young
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: boy we talked about at the beginning of this episode,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: made allegations against Ken Sageine, for Attorney Malcolm McDonald, another
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: person who was implicated here, asked Ken Sageen for documentation
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: about his story and to document the times he received
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: calls from David. On November twenty fifth ninety three, Kensegeen
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: was found to have self deleted, so just ten days
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: after the allegations were made, when things could really start
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: blowing out of proportion, Kensegeene self deletes and removes himself
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: from the potential witnesses or people facing trial. In December
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, Justice Norman glaud orally granted funding
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to the Diocese of Alexandria Cornwall to participate in the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Cornwall Public Inquiry or at the investigation into these claims.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: By February two thousand and six, the inquiry had officially
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: began and began with the calling of expert witnesses in court.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: In the fall of two thousand and seven, Perry Dunlop
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and his wife Helen took a stand at the Cornwall
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Public Inquiry to tell their story. Perry attempted to read
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: his will state into evidence, stating that this was his
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: best recollection of events. This commission, after quote investigating, took
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: four years to conclude and included three years of public
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hearings at a cost of around fifty three million dollars.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Around sixty percent of these costs to defraying legal fees
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: for accused victims and the Diocese of Alexandria Cornwall. So
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: taxpayers in Canada spent I think that equates to roughly
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: thirty million dollars defending the priests in court. There were
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: approximately sixty three victims who came forward and testified during
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the inquiry, and they were divided up into two groups.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: There was the victims group, which was comprised of victims
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and alleged victims who applied for and received standing and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: funding collectively and were represented by London based law firm
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Ladroit Beckett. And then there were the other victims who
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: were simply not represented by that same law firm, Ladroit Beckett. Finally,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, Commissioner G. Norman Claud, a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: former member of the Ontario Police Commission, categorically refused in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the inquiry to make a conclusive finding of fact as
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to whether or not a had existed and whether or
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not there was a conspiracy by people in authority to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: cover up the sickening pattern of so was an true?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Did the clan in Cornwall, Ottawa even exist? Well, now
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: we have to get into the cover up. In a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine article of the Ottawa Citizen, it
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was reported that Commissioner Norman Glaud found that the church,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the probation office, and the police were all guilty of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: failing to properly investigate claims the ball had actually been dropped. Additionally,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: after Perry Dunlop shared David's initial statement to CS and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the news broke that the police department had been sitting
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: on his file and these allegations against the priest, who
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: was continuing to work around children for months, things for
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Dunlop changed abruptly. His own cohorts and friends were questioning
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: his motives and actions, and he was suddenly dispelled from
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: his job working in the police force. He was eventually
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: arrested in two thousand and eight for refusing to testify
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: at the probe for the inquiry and sentenced to six
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: months in jail. YouTuber Denise Tall was actually able to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: document this arrest, citing her concerns as a public citizen
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: in Canada at the time.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: This is what it's all about. Read here, folks.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: These little packages were God to protect. Thanks everybody Fincher
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: his support behind were Yeah, that's a sad sight.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Supporters complained that alleged was identified through mister Dunlop's deep
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: research have been completely left alone by the inquiry. While
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it was mister Dunlop who had been hounded for his
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: testimony quote by cracking. Every in Cornwall refused to testify
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and no one bothered them, said Sylvia mcgehorn in a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Globe and Mail article in March of two thousand and eight.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And yet we have even more questions. What about the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: money settlement that David was paid by the Roman Catholic
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Church to drop the charges. Who were Gary Guzo and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Father Francis Morrissey And how did they support Dunlop's advances
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to get information out there about the ring? And finally,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: what's the connection between Norman Claude himself and this so
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: called clan? Who was he really and how did he
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: get to such a high position in the Ontario Provincial Police. Well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Perry Dunlop at the time went to Constable Heidi Sabage
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of the Cornwalls and told him of his concerns of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the case. Sabage told him that she had tried for
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a month to get a hold of David, initially by telephone,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and also informed Perry Dunlop that there were other victims
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: who had been used by father Charles as miners. Dunlop
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: didn't understand why the case had been shut down if
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: other victims had come forward along with allegations that had
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: been made against parole officer Ken Sagein. He alleged that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: proper police protocol wasn't followed. Dunlop stated in trial that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: both staff Inspector Stuart MacDonald and Deputy Chief Joe Saint
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Denis agreed the case was high profile upon their initial
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: intake their initial thoughts, so why did they let so
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: much slide?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Dunlop went to Crown Attorney Murray McDonald. He read them
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the allegations in the name of the suspect, but Murray
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: didn't read the statement. He basically brushed it off. He
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: informed Dunlop that he was aware of the father Charles
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: McDonald allegations, but not of the Ken Sageine ones. Additionally,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Constable sabage told Dunlop that she had spoken to McDonald
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: about it multiple times. Dunlup met with Sergeant Bruney later
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that week. Brunee told him that David, the first victim
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that came forward with the allegations, had come to the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: office to see Constable Sabage and wanted to end the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: investigation on that day and since they had no complainant,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it was over. Dunlop told the sergeant that he had
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: an issue with the investigation ending and that he was
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: concerned about Ken Segeine's probational clients, the kids that he
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was overseeing that had to come see him, and additionally,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Dunlap told him that it made him sick to know
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that the children were potentially at risk and that his
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: department had done little or nothing to investigate these claims.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Brune replied, we can't solve all the crimes. A lot
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of the times we know who is responsible, but there's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: nothing we can do. I've spoken to Constable Kevin Molloy,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a Cornwall Police Service constable who knows a lot about
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and we need a corroboration. Dunlop asked if they had
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: ever interviewed Father Charles or Ken sagein during the course
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of the investigation and confronted them on the allegations that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: were made against them. Brune said no, so Dunlop continued,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: did we ever conduct surveillance on them? Again?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: No?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What has been done? He said? Brune replied, constable's savage
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: had called some people. Then Brune went on to threaten Dunlop, saying, quote,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you realize you can be charged for breach of trust
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: under the Police Act. We would really hate to lose you, Perry.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: You've been through this before, but you were single at
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the time. Brune was making reference at the time to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: an incident in nineteen eighty five where Dunlop was charged
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: under the Police Services Act for failing to report damage
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to a police car of an approximate value of one
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Now you have a wife and three children
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to think about. You have your career to think about.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You have to operate within the system or you are
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: just as bad as a criminal. You know in these
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: cases you have to dot your eyes and cross your t's.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The officer then asked Dunlap if he had any paperwork
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on the case, and the officer told him, I want
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it returned. This is over and you have to let
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it be. I've spoken to the Crown. There's nothing we
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: can do. This guy is settled. He has a lawyer
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and everything. End.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Quote.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Their conversation ended when Brune's phone suddenly rang on October third,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, Perry Dunlop noted that Constable Heidi Sabage
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: had come into work, which was unusual, and believed she
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: was putting the currence into the project file. Dunlop related
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that the project file would ensure that members the patrol
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: officers and members who work on the street would have
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: no clue as to the alleged incidents, and that he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: had never seen or heard of being entered in the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: project file database. On October twelfth, nineteen ninety three, Staff
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Sergeant du Rochi, Dunlap's immediate supervisor, asked if he could
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: speak with him in private and told him that he
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: was investigating Dunlap himself under the Police Services Act. Dunlap
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: recalled that it was odd for your own staff sergeant
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to be assigned to investigate you. Dunlap attended Police Act
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: hearings and provided information and excerpts from them from Staff
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Sergeant du Rochet, Constable Sabage, and Staff Sergeant Lucian Brunei's notes,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and said that the entirety of the material as well
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: had been disclosed to the Solicitor General as well as
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the Attorney General in nineteen ninety seven. Within the excerpts.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Perry Dunlop commented on the following quote, Sergeant du Roche
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Dunlop's actions were inexcusable and he displayed poor judgment when
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he turned over a copy of the victim's statement to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Cis Dunlop. These were both statutory law sd Durochi. There
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: were far larger issues and serious concerns at stake about
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: how the case had been handled Dunlop. What were they Durochi?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: The dunlup issue was secondary and the real problem criminal
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: investigation would be dealt with Dunlop. When would it be
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: dealt with and by whom? Durochi. We continued to talk
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: about the particulars of the case, and Abel said that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the suspects fit a profile which normally indicates a pattern
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of multiple victims being bussed over many years. As is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the case when members of the church are involved, cover
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: ups are sometimes involved. He believed that this might be
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the case in this incident. Slimser had been paid off
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to keep things quiet. A will also inform me that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they were not involving themselves with looking into Ken Sagine's involvement. Dunlap.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Why would they not become involved with investigating Ken Sageine
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the director of CIS was indicating cover up. Darrochi bell
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is one of the caseworkers assigned to the CIS investigation.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: He asked me if the names of the other two
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: people by Father McDonald could be provided to them. I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: told him I didn't know at this time. The Chief
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: is of the opinion that we should not. Dunlack. Police
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: officers under law are mandated reporters. Yet the police chief
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: said no. Drochi. Sabage had consulted the Crown on this
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: matter several times. Dunlop, where are the meeting notes? Darrochi.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: The Crown told me that he had declared a conflict
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of interest in this matter because of his involvement in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the church. He explained that he is a member of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a committee and that he had been in a debate
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: with the bishop over matters of secrecy involving wrongdoing by
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: members of the clergy. He identified this case as being
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: another example of the church covering up misconduct by a priest.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I asked him if he was aware that Sabage had
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: found two other people who had encounters with Father McDonald
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: at about the same time. A year or two later,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he indicated that he was not aware Dunlap Murray McDonald
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is indicating cover up. Yet the Senior Crown was still
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: reluctant to arrange a meeting with an outside crown Darrochi.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: He wanted to go on record as saying that with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the information he had on the case, that he had
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: no problem with the way Sabaji and Brunei had handled
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the investigation. He had been consulted by Sabaji on several
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: occasions as well as by Sergeant Bruney. He said that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: he was aware that Sabage was having difficulty with the investigation.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: She was unable to get corroboration. Dunlop suspects were never interviewed.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Sergeant brune chimes in at this point and notes I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was advised that Perry Dunlap had turned over the statement
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: obtained by David slimser by Constable Sabaj. I was advised
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: by Chief Shaven to get a letter from mister Adams
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: requested direction on the Ken Sagine complaint. I was advised
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to enter the report on the system under Projects Dunlap.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: There we have evidence of him directing the information to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: be entered to the project files. So as you can
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: see this is one big web of corruption. The cops
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: are covering things up, documents are going missing, leads are
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: not being investigated, and it just continues to get worse.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Nine months and no charges later, the Diocese of Alexandria Cornwall,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: then under the helm of Bishop Eugene Laroche and Father
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Charles McDonald, hush David the victim with a thirty two
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of court settlement. According to David, ten
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars was paid by the diocese, ten thousand dollars
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was paid by Father Charles, and twelve thousand dollars was
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: paid by insurance. And this settlement was found to contain
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: an illegal clause which mandated David to tell the Cornwall
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: police that he did not want to pursue criminal charges
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: against Father McDonald. The thirty two thousand dollars was actually
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: held in escrow until this was accomplished. This was the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: very start of the cover up.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Jocco L.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Duke, a forty three year old lawyer who worked with
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the church, was appointed by the church for negotiating the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: payoff and flatly denied the gag order. He admitted there
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: was a financial statement, but insisted that it was never
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the intention of the diocese to keep David from speaking
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to the police. He flat out just lied and said
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that was never in the document, even though when people
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: eventually got the document they could see it right there.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: To those of you who aren't familiar, a gag order
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: is an order, typically a legal order by a court
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: or government, restricting information or comment from being made publicly
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: or passed on to any unauthorized third party. LaDuke the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Lawyer claimed that he did not see the final signed
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: document with the illegal clause, and that the sign to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: full release and undertaking not to disclose was handed over
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to the diocese in a bizarre sealed Manila envelope. Additionally,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: officials at the church claimed that they had never even
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: opened the envelope to check the signed papers inside, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: therefore they had failed to see the illegal clause out
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of sight. I don't mind, I guess well. Bishop Eugene
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Laroque also denied a gag order. He said they never
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: imposed those rules on David, but he acknowledged the payout
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to the victim. He indicated he had initially been opposed
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to the payment and had even consulted some of his
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: fellow bishops who told him not to give in. However,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the bishop gave the payout anyways, because David had a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: considerable bill of counseling charges for a psychiatrist and he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: needed help. The implication to one and all was that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: an unstable David had lied about being somehow blackmailed officials
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: from the church into giving them money to be charitable,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and was now lying about a gag order. David, however,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: insisted in court that he had never asked for the money.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: All he wanted was an apology. The money, he said,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was offered after he confronted church officials in person with
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: his allegations, and he only accepted the money when he
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: realized that the police investigation seemed to be going nowhere.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: He likewise insisted the settlement did have a gag order,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: but it was their word against his. Once the legal
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: document entered the domain, though the following clauses were found.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: In addition to the aforesaid release and for said consideration,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I hereby undertake not to take any legal proceedings civil
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or criminal against any of the parties here too, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: will immediately terminate any actions that may now be in process.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: In addition to the aforesaid release and for the said consideration.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I further hereby undertake not to disclose or permit disclosure
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: directly or indirectly, of any of the terms of this settlement,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: or of any of the events alleged to have occurred.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Breach of this undertaking will constitute a breach of settlement
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: agreement as evidenced by this release, and I will refund
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: all amounts paid to me forthwith and for the said consideration.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I further agreed not to make claim or take any
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: proceeding or participation and the same against any other person
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: or corporation who might claim contribution or indemnity under the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: provisions of the Negligence Act and the amendments there too
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: from the person, persons or corporations discharged from this release.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So that's verbiage taken directly from the legal document. It
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: did contain a gag order. It did prevent him from
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: going to the police and sharing these allegations. Paragraph too,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in fact, was the illegal clause which violated Canadian law.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: As I said before, it's illegal to prevent anyone from
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: pursuing criminal charges or causing them to terminate any criminal
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: action in progress. The agreement dated the second of September
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: ninety three was signed by David and his lawyer. It
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: had been broken by Father Charles's lawyer, Malcolm MacDonald, and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Jacques Le Duke was in the deal as well. Despite
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: him adamantly denying the gag order and trying to make
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: David look as bad as possible, Bishop Larote called a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: press conference and quickly attempted to exonerate himself. The bishop
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: explained that he had made his previous statement denying the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: gag order in accord with instructions received from our counsel,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and that I've since learned that the sign of release
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: does in fact rule out both civil and criminal action.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: The bishop then encouraged David to go to the police
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: with his allegations. David wasn't impressed. This is the way
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: he's dealt with me. All along, I was the victim
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and all he's done is make me look like a liar,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: said David, who believed that Bishop Laroux's turnaround came a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: year too late. Following exposure of the fiasco, Jacques Le
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Duke's legal services with the diocese were terminated, but his
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: name still appears as a member of the Tribunal, which
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: is the lawyer association essentially associated with the diocese. Additionally,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Jacques le Duke went on to trial himself later on
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: for charges and walked out a free man, and Malcolm MacDonald,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a former Crown Attorney, was charged with obstruction of justice,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty and received an absolute full discharge. He was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: also eventually supposed to go on trial, but he died
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: before standing trial on a number of charges, not in Canada,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: though in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Additionally, in an article by
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: journalist Trevor Pritchard in two thousand and eight, church officials
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: had considered negotiating a similar settlement with another thevictim before.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Senior Claudette Pelo was one of three people assigned by
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the Alexandria Cornwall Roman Catholic Diocese to look into its
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: allegations against Reverend Gill Does Lauriers. As the allegations ensued,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a man named Richard came forward to wipe his own
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: slate clean. He claimed he had been involved with the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: clan himself, first as a young boy and then later
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: as an adult, and according to the Ottawa Son, Richard
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: stepped forward because quote, this thing has been eating me
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: alive inside out. I think about it every day end quote,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and he was even willing to incriminate himself in order
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to tell the truth. In November nineteen ninety six, Richard
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: signed an affidavit. The information and allegations contained therein were
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: extremely damning for a number of highly respected individuals, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: if verified, leave no doubt that a ring of has
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: been operating in Cornwall for a number of years. In
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the affidavit, Richard provided the following information. Richard named a
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: number of men in the Cornwall Clan, and several of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: them were very prominent men and a number of Roman
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Catholic clergy members. He noted that some were now deceased
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and others were function in various capacities in their environs.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Richard alleged that he attended parties and witnessed improprieties fondling
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: between the above named clan members and miners from nineteen
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: fifty seven or nineteen fifty eight all the way through
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, so this group had been doing this
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: for over thirty five years. He numerically named some of
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: those who attended the parties, concluding with a number thirty four,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: both adults and juveniles, Altar boys and several others. Those
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: were the people he claimed were being by this group
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of powerful He recalled one party which included quote a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: ceremonious ritual of candles in the altar boys with sheets
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: over them end quote. Apparently these altar boys were walking
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: around this party with a candle stuck in there with
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: sheets over them, with no clothes on, and during the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: ceremony several members of the clergy, these are people from
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, were these boys. And he noted that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: quote all the aforementioned priests committed illegal, inappropriate and perverse
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: against myself as a miner end quote. He also spoke
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to investigators of a cachet of photos of young Cornwall
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: boys taken with a polaroid camera sometimes taken at these parties,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and he even recounted events leading up to Ken sagein
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the probation officer's mysterious and timely death. Richard alleged that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the clan had a number of meeting places, most of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: them in or around Cornwall, but he also said the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: clan met inside the United States. According to the affidavit,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: clan members traveled to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on a fairly
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: regular basis, where they would frequent an area called Birch
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Avenue and even a certain motel which he named in
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the document. This information contained in the eight page legal
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: document which names and references a specific motel on the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: strip end quote in Fort Lauderdale, was now at the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: core of mounting allegations of a massive cover up. The
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: motel reference in the affidavit has been investigated by other
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: interested parties anxious to seek the truth in these allegations,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but never one time by the Ontario Provincial Police or
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: its Project Truth Team. Justin Colin McKinnon was the judge
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: who took the bench at the first LeDuc trial, which
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: eventually degenerated into the trial of Perry Dunlop. He was
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: chosen due to his living outside of the city or
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: jurisdiction to give the victims and citizens assurance there was
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: no bias. This judge was apparently disconnected from all of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it and he would give the truth, honesty and justice. However,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: it was discovered that Colin McKinnon previously had been a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: lawyer for the former chief of Police, Claude Shaver. Shaver
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: was chief of the Cornwall Police Service when former Constable
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Perry Dunlop went to the cis with David's victim's statement,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: which he inadvertently discovered had been secreted by his own
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: police force, the Cornwall Police Service and Justice McKinnon, the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: judge on the case, did not explain or address any
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of this to the court, so he actually had a
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: very personal tide to this story and to the powerful
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: people involved in covering it up. Additionally, Dick Dedux was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the first winns on the motion. Dick was the operator
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of a controversial website which dealt with the allegations of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a cover up in Cornwall, but he asked the judge
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to recuse himself because of his conflict of interest, citing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Justice McKinnon's prior activities as legal counsel for Claude Shaver.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Justice McKinnon claimed he didn't remember ever doing any of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: that or representing Claude Shaver at the trial. NADU then
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: produced copies of two letters which related to the following
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: items submitted by Carson Krisholm and appearing in local Seaway
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: News quote congrats to Constable Dunlopp for giving a copy
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of this complaint to the Children's Aid Society. Shame on
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: management of the police force for trying to sweep it
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: under the rug. End quote Claude Shaver is a person
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of bad character who participated in the sweeping under the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: rug of those allegations. Once the letters were read aloud
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and into the record, Justice McKinnon's memory was suddenly refreshed,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and he then disclosed that he had acted as legal
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: counsel for the Cornwall Police Service and said that in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: order to refresh his memory he needed to love through
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the files to see just how involved she Shaver was.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: The following day, Justice McKinnon admitted that he had been
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: responsible for advising that Dunlop be charged with misconduct under
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the Police Services Act for going to the CS when
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he realized the police force was not pursuing the allegations
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: against Father Charlie or Ken Sageine, and finally Dunlop was exonerated.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: The moral of the story was that Justice McKinnon was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: involved with persons and parties and actions at the ground
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: floor level of the allegations of a cover up. There
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: was also Gary Guzo. In September of nineteen ninety eight,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Gary Guzo sent a letter marked private and confidential to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Premier Mike Harris claiming that the Project Truth investigation was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: not progressing as it should and had not followed up
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: on volumes of information turned over to them. He claimed
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that he had traveled to the US and spoken with
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: people who signed affidavits and made depositions which were served
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: on our government in April nineteen ninety seven, and concluded
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that they are not all lying. In his own research,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Guzo asserted that the people who signed affidavits, who made
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: depositions under oath, some of which are inculpatory in nature,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: have not been interrogated. After one and a half years,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: he said that I'm one hundred percent certain in my
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: own mind that the former owners and operators of the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: motel on the Strip in Fort Lauderdale, where the complainants
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: stated they were taken on occasion by some of the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: perpetrators in the nineteen seventies, have not been interrogated, nor
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: have the motel records been requested by the police doing
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the investigation. And Guzo sent copies of this to all
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: people in the Canadian government, top cops, members of law enforcement,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and in February of ninety nine, after receiving no real
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: response or movement in the investigation, he wrote again stating
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I want you to understand how embarrassing it is for
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: me to attempt to answer the pointed questions of a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: retired police officer with regard to this issue. This man
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: is in contact on a regular basis with individuals who
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: have visited the Fort Lauderdale area to investigate certain aspects
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of the allegations made by a number of people in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the Cornwall area. The allegation center around activities in the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: late sixties to the late seventies, and the motel records
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: seemed to confirm the attendance and a motel on the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: strip in the Fort Lauderdoe area of certain of the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: victims and in the company of certain of the people
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: named in the complaints by these victims. And basically it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a very long letter that he wrote, but he explains
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that there are affidavits signed by perpetrators by victims that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: confirm this information and that nobody was acting on them.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: He knows after speaking to these people that they signed
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: these things and talked about these things, and told the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: police about these things, and they never did anything. He
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: reiterated in the letter his concerns for a potential cover
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: up at the highest levels, citing quote. The fact remains
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: that we are approaching two years since the formal discovery
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of this information to the two ministries in question. The
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: fact remains that this information was available long before it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was formally delivered to the two ministries in question. There
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: may be many reasons why some of the people have
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: not been contacted by investigating officers. However, two of the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: obvious possible reasons must be dispelled immediately. End quote. Once again,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: this letter was copied to the Solicitor General, Attorney General,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: chief of staff police officers in the area, but the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: media didn't say a word about the interjections the letter
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and nobody responded to him. Then there's Attorney General Michael Bryant.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Michael Bryant was the youngest Attorney General ever to be
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: appointed to Ontario Region, and it happened in two thousand
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and three, and Bryant elected Judge Cloud, who oversaw a
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: lot of this cover up as commissioner of the Cornwall
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Public Inquiry, stating that he met all the requirements. He
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: stated quote he is bilingual from outside the Cornwall area,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: experienced in criminal law and is not previously associated with
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: this matter. End quote. But sources found this was inaccurate.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You see Justice G. Norman Cloud was the commissioner of
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the Cornwall Public Inquiry and formerly a member of the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Ontario Police Commission, which caused many to be skeptical about
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: his role in charge of the inquiry, stating he was biased.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, this guy was a former guy involved
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: heavily in the police force in the region, and the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: police themselves are charged here essentially and alleged to have
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: been covering up. So you have a guy who's sympathetic
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to the perpetrators coming in to investigate the perpetrators. A letter,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: in fact, was sent to the Attorney General, Michael Bryant,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: who appointed Judge Cloud, in which two hundred people signed
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the letter citing their concerns about the justice being in
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: charge of the investigation, but the Attorney General never responded.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: The letter cited the following reasons for being suspicious about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Judge Cloud. One his grandfather was married and settled in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Saint Rafael's West, which is in that area. Two, his
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: father and his father's eight brothers and sisters were born
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in Saint Rafael's West and baptized at Saint Rafael's Church
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in the area. There are more than thirty Clouds listed
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in phone books alone. Two Cloud brothers, relatives of the judge,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: recently came forward with allegations of Bishop Paul Andre de Roche,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: our local bishop will represent the diocese during the inquiry.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Duroche came from Sudbury three years ago, where he served
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: as an auxiliary bishop for the Diocese of Sault Saint
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Mary from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and two.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Justice Cloud, a Roman Catholic, is based in Sudbury. Bishop
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: du Roche and Justice Cloud both graduated from Ottawa University
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty. Justice Cloud worked with the Ontario Police Commission,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the opp figure prominently in the allegations of cover up.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: We are presently trying to get more information on Justice
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Cloud's activities and contacts with the Commission. Justice Cloud's office
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: will not provide any of this information. Cloud categorically refused
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to make a conclusive finding a fact as to whether
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: existed or whether there was a conspiracy by people in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: authority to cover up. Then there's Ron l. Rue. Ron
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the Rue alleged he was by fathers Bernard Cameron, Donald,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Bernard MacDonald, Eugene Laroque and others multiple times over the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: course of several years, and he spoke at the trial
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and gave the following information. There was a clan of
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: which was comprised of the following people. He basically names
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the people that we talked about. Towards the beginning of
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: this episode. He had witnessed proprieties findling between the above
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: named clan members and miners throughout nineteen fifty seven or
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: fifty eight to ninety three. He then went on to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: say that they have children in Florida, all over Canada,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: inside of the home of these people, on islands, inside
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of cornwall, inside parish houses. He also claimed that Malcolm
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: McDonald possessed photos of miners in which they exposed themselves,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: owned quote and owned magazines. The clan's regular meeting spots
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: were Ken Sageine's home in Summerstown, Malcolm Cameron's summer residence
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: on Stanley Island, and Saint Andrew's parish house. I observed
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: clan members at these meeting spots all the time, some
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: more frequent than other. Other. Clan meetings were held at
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Cameron's point in Birch Avenue area, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: also stated that he had observed Claude Shaver, the guy
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: who the judge had represented at Ken's home and stated
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that he was definitely a member of the He said
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: he had also observed Claude Shaver speaking to who were
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteen years old. He also stated that he
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: observed Bishop Laroque in the nineteen fifties and sixties performing illegal,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: inappropriate and perverse so with miners and himself. So, yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: there's tons of information. And as you can see right there,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the actual guy who was overseeing the investigation previously represented
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: was accused of being at the parties and he claimed
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that he had no connection to this at all. He
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: claimed that he had no connection to Ottawa and he
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: had tons of connections to Ottawa and Cornwall. There were
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: also lots of other things that emerged throughout this entire story.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: People that were brought in by the church to help
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: cover up the claims. They brought in a specialist, it
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: was later discovered who actually came in to essentially coach
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the boys who were making these allegations to convince some
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: not to come forward. He was a master of dealing
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: with this. There were people reorganized throughout the church. It
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: came out that there had been police reports generated about
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: some of these priests years prior that had been forgotten
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: or thrown out or never followed up on. So the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: church itself in the town was essentially revealed as being
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: like a hiding place for the elite of the Ottawa area,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and there were even American priests that had come over
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: from America kicked out of their own diocese and were
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: welcomed in to the diocese in Ottawa. In July two
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight, in an article by the Cornwall Standard Freeholder,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it was alleged that church officials had apparently considered a
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: similar monetary settlement to that of David's in nineteen eighty six,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with two accused people, Britain and Father Deslorier. Also in
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: July two thousand and eight, another article alleged that father
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Denis Valancourt, who supposedly testified that quote the sense of
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: boys is serious only if the child is prepubescent end quote,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: didn't even consider telling the police or the Children's Aid Society.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Denise Valancourt claimed that Benois Bristin and Claude Thiboldt, another victim,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: wanted their allegations against Reverend Guilds Laurier resolved quietly within
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the confines of the church. However, in two thousand and six,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: victim Bristin's mother, Lisa, told the inquiry that one of
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the reasons why her family went public with the allegations
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: against Deslaurier was a lack of action on the diocese's part. Additionally,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Valiancourt testified that the diocese had no strict protocol in
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six for dealing with its allegations against priests,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and Finally, various eye witnesses reported that visitors to Ken
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Sagean's home included Bishop Eugene Laroche, Chief of Police, Claude Shaver,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: lawyer and former Cornwall Crown Attorney, Malcolm McDonald, Crown to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Terry Murray McDonald lawyer, Joculate Duke, father Charles McDonald, father
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Kevin Maloney, Ron Wilson, the owner and operator of a
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: funeral home, Stuart McDonald, a former policeman, Ron the Rue
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: A c eight and different probationers. Many of these men
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: have denied ever being at this house, despite having to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: transit through Sageen's property when they were going to Malcolm
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: McDonald's cottage on Stanley Island. Additionally, when there was already
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: evidence being against these men that they were in the clan. Additionally,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: many men came forward and alleged that Ken sagean possessed
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: which showed explicit including miners including Ron the Rue Dan
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: LaBelle and Gary Renshaw, and each of those victims provided
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: signed affidavits claiming that yes they were there. They were
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: videotaped and photographed. This is real. They all signed these
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: affidavits and were interviewed Ken with a local Florida church
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and creepily enough, here's Ken with the local Florida church.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Just make a look at this clip.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Ken Seguin. I have been a
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: parishioner here at a Sperurosanto for twenty six years and
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: have been involved with many ministries during these years. However,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: ten years ago a dear friend of mine by the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: name of Cecil Rocked asked me to join an organization
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: called the Knights of Columbus. I currently have the great
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: honor of being the Grand Knight of the Bonnie Gwinet
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Council seventy one oh nine based here at a Speritosanto
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Catholic Church. Today, I've been invited by the parish pastoral
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: council to speak about the Knights of Columbus and how
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: our council activities support our church's mission statement, which is
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: inspired by the Holy Spirit. We the people of a
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Spirito Santo Catholic Church, commit ourselves to being a loving
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: community of faith, grace, good works through Jesus Christ, nourished
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: by the Word and the Sacraments. We strive to grow
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: in Christ's likeness and to spread God's Kingdom on earth.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Father mc givney, who was just twenty nine years old,
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  Speaker 2: had a vision and a mission to protect family life
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  Speaker 2: and give financial support to the growing number of widows
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  Speaker 2: and orphans and his parish. Father's mission of a fraternal
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  Speaker 2: organization called the Knights of Columbus spread through New England
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  Speaker 2: and New York. Sadly, at age thirty eight, Father mc
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  Speaker 2: givney died from pneumonia. The Order established four key tenants charity, unity,
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  Speaker 2: ratunity and patriotism. These four principles have been the goal
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  Speaker 2: standard of our Order for over one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine years. We have a very proactive, sometimes hyperactive council
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  Speaker 2: that has involved in many activities which yields positive results
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  Speaker 2: for our parish, local community, our youth, families, pro life
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  Speaker 2: and social justice. Our Catholic faith is at the center
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  Speaker 2: of all we do. Our church's mission of being a
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  Speaker 2: loving community of faith, grace, and good works through Jesus
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  Speaker 2: Christ transcends through our first two principles of our order,
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  Speaker 2: charity and unity. Building is drawing parish community where familiar
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  Speaker 2: faces now become friends. It's very important to our council.
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  Speaker 2: Our council is happy to host our parish wide dinner dances,
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  Speaker 2: or you can eat family breakfasts or Sunday coffee and
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  Speaker 2: donuts and breakfast traits. Our mission is simple. By bringing parishioners, families,
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  Speaker 2: friends together, we are all building the Kingdom of God.
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  Speaker 2: It's our mission to spread the good word through charity
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  Speaker 2: and closing. I'm very proud of the growth of our
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  Speaker 2: council to over three hundred and twenty four brother Knights
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  Speaker 2: and all the accomplishments throughout the years.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole thing makes you wonder just how many
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  Speaker 1: co conspirators were in this entire affair, and how many
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  Speaker 1: of them weren't just contained to Ottawa. How many of
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  Speaker 1: them were at the motel in Florida? What was going
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  Speaker 1: on there? How much did the owners know? Why has
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  Speaker 1: this never been followed up? On by authorities. From what
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  Speaker 1: I could tell, they never even looked seriously into the
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  Speaker 1: motel or the ownership or anybody involved, but closing thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: When all was said and done, approximate only sixty nine
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  Speaker 1: victims were involved in this affair, fifty three million dollars
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  Speaker 1: were spent, four years had passed, one person out of
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  Speaker 1: many was convicted, and no one knew if an organized
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  Speaker 1: really had been operating in eastern Ontario. However, the two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety six page inquiry report by commissioned
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  Speaker 1: GLOD had ultimately disclosed the entire cover up, citing quote
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  Speaker 1: a combination of systematic failures in sensitivity to complaints and
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  Speaker 1: of reluctance to act end quote on the part of
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  Speaker 1: the school, church, Children's Aid Society, police and justice officials.
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  Speaker 1: Gold just didn't want to come to that conclusion despite
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  Speaker 1: his connections. Additionally, in twenty nineteen, Dislorier, a man who's
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  Speaker 1: named in a lot of those files, was convicted again
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  Speaker 1: after another a allegation at nearly seventy nine years old
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  Speaker 1: and nearly thirty years after his initial one, which was
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  Speaker 1: connected to this ring, and finally, author and owner of
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  Speaker 1: Encyclopedia blog Inquiry dot CA. Sylvia mceckern declared in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three that she was no longer updating her online block,
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  Speaker 1: a practical catalog dedicated to the events and persons involved
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  Speaker 1: in the Cornwall cover up, and she has over three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty names listed. It's a crazy website if
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  Speaker 1: you ever want to take a look at it. Many
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  Speaker 1: of this information you've heard today came from the site,
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  Speaker 1: and the site unfortunately closed literally days before we finalize
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  Speaker 1: the script. Now the links we've included in the resource
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  Speaker 1: section are entirely unreachable. When asked why, mcacherin stated that
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want to inflict pain on anyone else, which
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  Speaker 1: is interesting considering she spent her time mostly exposing the
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  Speaker 1: cover up and all information related to it, so she
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  Speaker 1: was really inflicting pain on the people who already inflicted pain.
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  Speaker 1: It also makes you wonder if the Archdiocese in Cornwall
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  Speaker 1: snuck their way in and somehow got her silence. But
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  Speaker 1: hopefully they learned from their first gag order that darkness
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  Speaker 1: always comes to light. So there's a lot more that
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  Speaker 1: we could talk about with this story dealing with the
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  Speaker 1: Catholic Church and the diocese and how victims came forward
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  Speaker 1: and they were silenced, And I mean, it's crazy. You
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  Speaker 1: got these same allegations of these parties going on, children
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  Speaker 1: walking around with candle inside of them, being forced in
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  Speaker 1: their parties at these different locations, things being recorded, trafficking
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  Speaker 1: across countries, you know, from the United States to Canada.
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  Speaker 1: All these victims coming forward with allegations, multiple people naming
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  Speaker 1: the same perpetrators. They're interviewed at different times, different places,
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  Speaker 1: they don't know each other. And yet one or two
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  Speaker 1: guys implicated in this whole thing get around six years
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  Speaker 1: in prison, A couple guys get a few days to weeks,
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  Speaker 1: most get probation, and a lot die before they can
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  Speaker 1: actually get to trial and reveal what they know about
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  Speaker 1: the ring. I think I counted what five to six
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  Speaker 1: people in this story that self deleted before they even
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  Speaker 1: got to talking about what was really happening.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and in.
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  Speaker 1: Case like this, if you actually don't think that there
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  Speaker 1: was some sort of concerted cover up that happened here
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  Speaker 1: or a group that was ritualistically in a way and mechanically,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, but these stories
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  Speaker 1: are everywhere We're gonna cover a lot more this year, because,
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  Speaker 1: like I said at the beginning, it's my passion to
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  Speaker 1: talk about these stories. But holy, it is a disheartening
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  Speaker 1: to constantly see the failures of law enforcement, the moral
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  Speaker 1: failures of people who are in positions of power to
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  Speaker 1: step up and save these kids, and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: for years decades nobody listened to these victims and it
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  Speaker 1: was all just looney tunes to them. But yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: and every one of you. Always question everything, stay suspicious,
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