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Shocking photo of woman bound in bathtub emerges as body of Jamie Haggard found by road crew collecting garbage · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Where is Jamie Haggard? Just twenty seven years old? This
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Speaker 1: mom would never leave her children. The family at this
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Speaker 1: point still holding on to hope. As the months passed by.
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Speaker 1: After following countless leads, investigators keep coming back to where
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Speaker 1: she first goes missing. Where is Jamie? What went wrong?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace out of character for her.
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Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard is out mother to twin daughters and is
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Speaker 1: extremely close to her family. Were told no one though
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Speaker 1: has heard from her since June, and they say they
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Speaker 1: are worrying sick. This is Jamie's Facebook page, scrolling through
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Speaker 1: old pictures where our kids, all of us cousins were
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Speaker 1: super close. Alicia Falling remembers the good times with her cousin,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard, but she also can't
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Speaker 1: hide her concern. It just seems very unusual that's nobody
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Speaker 1: has heard from her for so long. It's not like
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Speaker 1: her at all. Haggard's last contact was with family and
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Speaker 1: Ken Moore around June eighth. Keene County Sheriff's investigators are
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Speaker 1: now looking into her disappearance and calling it suspicious. We
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Speaker 1: think it's suspicious for a number of reasons. First, her
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Speaker 1: family says that she usually contacts her mom at least
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Speaker 1: every other day and they have a conversation. Additionally, she
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Speaker 1: hasn't used her cell phone since she's been reported missing.
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Speaker 1: As each day passes, family is growing more concerned. I
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Speaker 1: fear the most that somebody here heard her. While they
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Speaker 1: fear the worst, they're still hoping for the best. I
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Speaker 1: really hope that with all this, hopefully we'll get a
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Speaker 1: phone call from her saying hey, I'm fine that We
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Speaker 1: asked the sheriff's office why it's taken a month to
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Speaker 1: get this missing person's case out to the public, and
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Speaker 1: they tell us they had been serving search warrants on
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Speaker 1: her phone and credit cards, and we're hoping that in
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Speaker 1: the meantime she would surface. But without any leaves there
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Speaker 1: now turning to the public for help. That hope you
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Speaker 1: hear in the family's voice never seems to go away,
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Speaker 1: and that hope is heart breaking. They are clinging to
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Speaker 1: a shred of evidence, a shred of hope, believing that
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Speaker 1: Jamie may come home. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend at Fox, Janet Kim speaking,
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Speaker 1: where is Jamie Haggard? Just twenty seven years old. This
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Speaker 1: mom would never leave her children, never, never, never, just
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old when she goes missing. Massive searches
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Speaker 1: for Jamie, joining me an all star panel judge and
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott anchor at Court TV. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. James shell Nutt
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years on major case SWAT officer, retired the
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Speaker 1: medical Examiner for the State of Florida, joining US doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher and joining US today, psychologist in New York
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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania. Founder of Visionista's by design at doctor Liz
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Speaker 1: Lyz dot com, doctor Liz Dubor right now to Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter Dave mac Dave, It's hard
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Speaker 1: for me to believe it took this long to get
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Speaker 1: the search going for Jamie Haggard. Let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. She's twenty seven years old, she's got children.
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Speaker 1: Tell me the last time that she was seeing Let's
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Speaker 1: try to create a timeline of sorts. It was on
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Speaker 1: June eighth, Nancy when she was actually seen or heard
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Speaker 1: from family or friends. And the reason you know you
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Speaker 1: mentioned why did it take so long, Well, because it
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Speaker 1: was out of the ordinary. Yet she did have a
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Speaker 1: constant contact with her mother every other day, and so
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Speaker 1: they were just trying to get a handle on things.
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Speaker 1: And as police were involved in trying to find where
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Speaker 1: she went, the first thing they did was they wanted
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Speaker 1: to find her cell phone records because that was what
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Speaker 1: she used to contact folks. She used it for her
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Speaker 1: online Okay, hold on, right there, right there, Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: In this world that we live in with social media paramount,
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Speaker 1: I mean, first thing John David does when he wakes
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Speaker 1: up my son, who's just turned twelve, he grabs his phone,
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Speaker 1: and I've snuck into the bathroom while he's getting ready
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Speaker 1: to see what he's doing. He's watching tiktoks, he's watching
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Speaker 1: silly kid news and looking at memes. And I've spied
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Speaker 1: on him enough to know what he's doing in there.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, he's twelve and he's in
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Speaker 1: there getting dressed. I've laid his clothes out, brushing his teeth,
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Speaker 1: and he's got that going in the background. Lucy, on
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Speaker 1: the other hand, really doesn't give a fig. She'll leave
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Speaker 1: her phone alone for days on in and even forget
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Speaker 1: where it is. But social media is paramou out in
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Speaker 1: so many lives to James shell Nutt Metro Major Case
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Speaker 1: swat officer. James, question, that's where you start in this
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Speaker 1: day and age back a long time ago. You'd start
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Speaker 1: with the witness. You'd have to trace them back to
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Speaker 1: their job or or getting gasoline. Now you look at
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Speaker 1: social media. How can you track that forensically? You go, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: social media and online electronic footprint is today's new fingerprint.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, it is used to start with the witness,
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Speaker 1: and now the best witness in the case is often
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Speaker 1: the electronic footprint. You know, there's a lot of searches,
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Speaker 1: a lot of softwares that you can date of mind
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Speaker 1: and search for a person's presence online, and that would
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Speaker 1: be the first place to start. And if you see
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Speaker 1: that someone's got a history of being online regularly and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're electronic footprint disappears, that's
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Speaker 1: certainly going to give fries to concern. I agree with you, James,
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Speaker 1: and not only that too, Ashley Wilcott. You can see
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Speaker 1: her at court TV. Ashley. Not only that, like I said,
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Speaker 1: even at twelve, they're all over it like your little
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Speaker 1: girl there, it runs their life. It seems like so
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to believe that this young girl,
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Speaker 1: Jamie Hagger, just twenty seven years old, with children, was
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Speaker 1: not on herself texting, getting emails, looking at videos, making videos.
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Speaker 1: What about it, Ashley? I would start there too well.
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Speaker 1: I would also, And I have to say this. I
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Speaker 1: think that we see time and time again covering these
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Speaker 1: live trials that I cover. Guess what the first indication
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Speaker 1: that something's wrong is when someone is not heard from
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Speaker 1: in terms of social media. They're no longer posting, they're
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Speaker 1: no longer texting, they're no longer reaching out. Unfortunately, that
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Speaker 1: often means something has happened to change their daily routine. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are on the search to find the truth about
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Speaker 1: what happened with Jamie Hagger, just twenty seven years old.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful young girl. If you want to take a look,
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Speaker 1: she's got a girl. She's twenty seven years old. Back
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Speaker 1: to you, Dave mc guys, if you want to see
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Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard, go to Crime online dot com for this
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Speaker 1: and all other breaking crime and justice news. Dave mac
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Speaker 1: pick up where you were. I'm sorry, we got carried
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Speaker 1: away with social media and we were talking about posting email,
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Speaker 1: text thing. But cell phones are perfect for triangulation, the
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Speaker 1: process of finding through your cell phone where you were last,
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Speaker 1: when your phone was last working, when you last had
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Speaker 1: it on, and you don't have to be sending a
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Speaker 1: text or getting a phone call through triangulation. What that
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Speaker 1: means is, as you drive along, your cell phone, whether
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Speaker 1: you're on it or not, is pinging, is making electronic
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Speaker 1: WiFi contact with cell towers. Yes, those horrible things that
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Speaker 1: are fashioned to look like trees, but you can tell
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Speaker 1: their cell towers those things. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but my little church makes part
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Speaker 1: of its money every year because they've allowed cell apparatus
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Speaker 1: and the steeple. Yes, I did not know that, and
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Speaker 1: if the Lord doesn't mind, neither do I. But what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, as you're driving along, you may not
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Speaker 1: even realize you're passing a cell tower, but your phone,
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Speaker 1: if your phone is on, is pinging, and that can
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Speaker 1: be quote triangulated, in other words, figured out where you
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Speaker 1: were last until your phone goes dead or it's disabled
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Speaker 1: or turned off, where they can find that. Okay, Dave,
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Speaker 1: Mac back to you. We got sidetracked with me talking
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Speaker 1: about social media and triangulation as it relates to Jamie
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Speaker 1: Haggard's Whereabouts. Pick it up where you left off. All right, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned all that, Nancy, because here's the deal.
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Speaker 1: The phone was left at the house, and so what
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Speaker 1: they were trying to do the police were trying to
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Speaker 1: uncover who she was talking to up till the you know,
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Speaker 1: the moment that she went missing. And that's why they
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Speaker 1: were getting the search warrants for those things because they
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Speaker 1: knew where the phone was. Physically, they needed to know
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Speaker 1: who she was talking to and whether there was any
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Speaker 1: type of thing going on there on her phone. That's
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Speaker 1: why it was a couple of weeks before they went
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Speaker 1: full on searching for her. She was living with her
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Speaker 1: half brother too, and he had told police and friends that,
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Speaker 1: you know, he saw her leaving the house that morning.
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Speaker 1: So the day she disappears, the vanishes is not seen again.
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Speaker 1: The brother sees her that morning. They're living together in
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Speaker 1: the same home and he sees or nothing is a miss.
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Speaker 1: So that's where we would start officially the timeline. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k I R O. Seven.
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Speaker 1: This is Alison Grande. Jamie would call her mom every
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Speaker 1: other day. I mean, that's kind of what she did
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Speaker 1: and so and she had, like I said, she had
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Speaker 1: two small children. So for her to just disappear, it's
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Speaker 1: highly suspicious. For her not to have any activity on
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Speaker 1: her cell phone, her credit cards, her bank accounts, that
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Speaker 1: is just out of what she would normally do. And
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Speaker 1: investigators are not revealing what it is that led them
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Speaker 1: back to this house. But Haggard lived in the home
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Speaker 1: with her brother and a boyfriend. She disappeared on June eighth,
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Speaker 1: but was reported missing on the seventeenth. She hasn't used
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Speaker 1: any of her credit cards, bank cards, cell phone. They
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Speaker 1: do believe the mother of those young twins is dead.
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Speaker 1: Back here live, I want to show you what's happening now.
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Speaker 1: Detectives here from King County's Major Crime Unit are talking
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Speaker 1: right outside the home as they take away the yellow
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Speaker 1: police tape, kind of figuring out what they're going to
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Speaker 1: do next. They really had hoped that they would be
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Speaker 1: able to bring some answers to the Haggard family today.
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Speaker 1: That didn't happen here, but they hope someone might see
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Speaker 1: this and that someone might have some information that can
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Speaker 1: help them find Jamie Haggard. Now detectives are looking for
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Speaker 1: any other DNA evidence DNA that doesn't belong to Jamie.
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Speaker 1: They're also asking you for tips. Anything suspicious. You might
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Speaker 1: have seen a car or a suitcase, if you think
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Speaker 1: back to two years ago now and you remember it
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Speaker 1: was a little Strange's the tip. We We don't know
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Speaker 1: at this time what if any additional evidence investigators found
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Speaker 1: in this field, but I do know they'll be back
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Speaker 1: out here searching again this weekend with the K nineteen
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace character for her. Jamie Haggard
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Speaker 1: is mother to twin daughters and is extremely close to
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Speaker 1: her family. We're told no one though, has heard from
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Speaker 1: her since June, and they say they are worried, sick.
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Speaker 1: This is Jamie's Facebook page, scrolling through old pictures where
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Speaker 1: our kids, all of us cousins were super close. Alicia
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Speaker 1: Falling remembers the good times with her cousin, twenty seven
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Speaker 1: year old Jamie Haggard, but she also can't hide her concern.
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Speaker 1: It just seems very unusual that nobody has heard from
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Speaker 1: her for so long. It's not like her at all.
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Speaker 1: Haggard's last contact was with family and Ken Moore around June. Eighth.
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Speaker 1: Keene County Sheriff's investigators are now looking into her disappearance
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Speaker 1: and calling it suspicious. We think it's suspicious for a
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Speaker 1: number of reasons. First, her family says that she usually
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Speaker 1: contacts her mom at least every other day and they
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Speaker 1: have a conversation. Additionally, she hasn't used her cell phone
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Speaker 1: since she's been reported missing. As each day passes, family
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Speaker 1: is growing more concerned. I fear the most that somebody
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Speaker 1: hurt her. While they fear the worst, they're still hoping
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Speaker 1: for the best. I really hope that with all this,
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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get a phone call from her saying hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine that We asked the Sheriff's office why it's
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Speaker 1: taken a month to get this missing person's case out
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Speaker 1: to the public, and they tell us they had been
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Speaker 1: serving search warrants on her phones and credit cards, and
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Speaker 1: we're hoping that in the meantime she would surface. But
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Speaker 1: without any leaves, they are now turning to the public
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Speaker 1: for help. Jamie Haggard, twenty seven years old, seemingly vanishes
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Speaker 1: it a thin air. Two children twenty seven years old,
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Speaker 1: Think for a moment what you were doing at age
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Speaker 1: twenty seven straight out to doctor Liz Debor. Psychologists in
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Speaker 1: New York in Pennsylvania found her off Visionista's by Design
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Speaker 1: and you can find her at doctor Liz Lyz dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debor, thank you for being with us. The family
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Speaker 1: at this point still holding on to hope as the
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Speaker 1: months pass by and then they see things like, for instance,
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Speaker 1: the Jamie Class case where Jamie Class goes missing, she's
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Speaker 1: held for a period of time, and then she is
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Speaker 1: found alive, or so many other similar cases like that,
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Speaker 1: that must give them hope that they will find Jamie
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Speaker 1: and bring her home. It can also do a disservice.
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Speaker 1: If I were in their shoes, I'd rather have hope,
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Speaker 1: doctor Liz to people hold on to hope even in
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Speaker 1: the face of facts that suggest otherwise. Yeah, so absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Hope is one of the most powerful and commonly used
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Speaker 1: things where people in this kind of experience and circumstance,
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Speaker 1: when all that they want is to find their loved
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Speaker 1: one faith and alive. Hope and faith are the things
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Speaker 1: that keep people going from day to day and even
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Speaker 1: when things are pointing in the opposite direction. You know, hope,
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Speaker 1: hope is strong, and a community together hoping together really
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Speaker 1: does bring the power of that hope and faith together,
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Speaker 1: it's almost and I'm sure you've seen this. James shell
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Speaker 1: Nutt twenty seven years major case detective, swat officer, now lawyer,
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Speaker 1: where people, in the face of overwhelming evidence their loved
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Speaker 1: one is dead, they keep hoping. And I remember after
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Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered. Every morning when I would wake up,
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Speaker 1: I would think everything was normal, and then it would
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Speaker 1: take about five or ten seconds for me to remember
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Speaker 1: that Keith had been murdered. And that went on literally
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Speaker 1: for years. And James, I remember looking at my mom
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Speaker 1: and holding her by each shoulder and saying, mother, is
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Speaker 1: Keith dead, And that that wasn't a dream. That was
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Speaker 1: in waking hours. It's like your mind can't or won't
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Speaker 1: except what's happening. Yeah, you know, that's a that's a
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Speaker 1: tough thing for the victims. It's a tough thing for
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Speaker 1: the investigators nowhere nearly as tough on them as it
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Speaker 1: is for the family. But you know, the not knowing
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Speaker 1: part is the worst part, you know. But unfortunately, in
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Speaker 1: situations like this, you've let her come to know because
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Speaker 1: you get a knock on the door from detectives to
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Speaker 1: give you the news. And yeah, I've had to make
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Speaker 1: that notification before. It's a very tough thing to do
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Speaker 1: as a law enforcement office or in any position. And
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Speaker 1: I have found that there's a lot of grief, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of suffering, but at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: there is some relief in just knowing what happened. And
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Speaker 1: not only that, you've got to look at the family
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Speaker 1: because we all know when someone meets foul play that
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Speaker 1: a loved one typically a partner, spouse, an egg, a boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: is responsible for their demise. That goes from the family too.
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Speaker 1: So when you tell them you think the person is dead,
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Speaker 1: you not only have your heartbreaking for them, but you
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Speaker 1: got to watch them. You've got to watch their reaction.
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Speaker 1: Do they do or say anything you find inconsistent, because
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Speaker 1: maybe you're looking at a killer, right. So that's a
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Speaker 1: hard thing to keep in mind for normal people that
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Speaker 1: would never dream of hurting a hair on the head
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Speaker 1: of someone they love. So, Dave Mack, she's missing two children.
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Speaker 1: How old are the children at the time she goes missing?
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Speaker 1: They're eight and a half. Oh, Lord in heaven, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: how much do your children need you at eight years old?
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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake. Yeah, and that's the other red flag
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Speaker 1: in this case. There are a lot of them. But
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Speaker 1: any time a mother or a caretaker or a parent
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Speaker 1: who's the one actually in the home parenting for the
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Speaker 1: children disappears without a word, there's cause for concern because
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Speaker 1: not only do these children need you at that age,
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Speaker 1: no mother that I know personally would do anything to
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Speaker 1: not let me rephrase that, Nancy, no parent I know,
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Speaker 1: no mother would let anything get in the way of
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Speaker 1: them parenting those kids and loving them every single day.
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Speaker 1: So Dave Matt, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the search. First of all, who reports are missing.
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Speaker 1: Her father reported her missing. His name is Lee Haggard.
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Speaker 1: He actually when they didn't have any contact with her
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Speaker 1: for a couple of days, he knew that was just
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Speaker 1: not the norm. So he called the police and said,
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Speaker 1: my daughter's missing. Go talk to my son and see
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Speaker 1: what you can find us. The last because they were
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Speaker 1: to see her. Dave Matt, remember, I'm just a jd Okay,
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Speaker 1: I got a law license, I don't have a DDS.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a dentist, so I can't pull teeth unless
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Speaker 1: you want me to, all right, And I will but
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Speaker 1: I need to hear a full answer about about what
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Speaker 1: happened with Jamie. So the dad is the one that
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Speaker 1: reports her missing, Okay, not the father of the children,
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Speaker 1: not the boyfriend. Now, let me understand this living arrangement,
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Speaker 1: Dave Max. She's living with her stepbrother and her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Do I have that correct? You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there are multiple reports about the people living in that home. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it was a rented home and Jamie was living with
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Speaker 1: her half. Hey, hey, hey, there's nothing wrong with a
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Speaker 1: rented home. I don't like the way you said that. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm they're homeless. I've rented a home. What everybody
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Speaker 1: can't live in a mansion with a long driveway is
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Speaker 1: with oak trees like you, Dave Matt all right, she's
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Speaker 1: got a basically single mom with two children living with
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Speaker 1: a boyfriend and a brother. Yes, it's rented. I think
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Speaker 1: they can make a mortgage payment or qualify for a loan. No.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I think, like anybody knows
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Speaker 1: the answer this jump in. I bet ask you. Wilcot's
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Speaker 1: going to pipe up. How many millennials live with their parents.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can't afford to put adale payment on the house.
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Speaker 1: I just have to say that it's amazing to me
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Speaker 1: how many millennials do live at home. And I represent
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Speaker 1: I used to represent D Facts, and so many of
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Speaker 1: those young case managers all would live at home so
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Speaker 1: they could afford to actually do what they wanted to
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Speaker 1: do for a living and still have a place. Start
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Speaker 1: with me about D Facts, okay, because you know what
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Speaker 1: I think about them. Okay, Dave mac jump in. What
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Speaker 1: were you saying? O? Yea, here was the reason I
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Speaker 1: pointed out the rental agreement because they did home now
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Speaker 1: because you because the owner, actually the owner of the
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Speaker 1: home had a friend of his living with them as
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Speaker 1: a roommate slash watching over the home. David had his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend that was staying in the home, and that was
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Speaker 1: a source of a a lot of friction inside that home. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't even know what you just said,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt. I would have to cross examine my own
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Speaker 1: witness if you were on the stand. First of all,
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Speaker 1: as I tell the twins and they just turned twelve,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, maybe you can learn from them no offense.
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Speaker 1: Use names, not he, she, they who did what? And
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Speaker 1: give them names Dave matt If it's landlord, owner's friend, say,
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Speaker 1: owner's friend. I don't even know what you're saying. Let's
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Speaker 1: get our facts straight. What okay, David, I don't like
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Speaker 1: your town. Now, your tone, your time. David Haggard and
20:38
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Wendy lived in the home with David's half sister,
20:44
Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard, the owner of the home. The landlord had
20:49
Speaker 1: a friend of his live with them in the home,
20:53
Speaker 1: and I can't his name is escaping me right now? Okay,
20:55
Speaker 1: owner friend. Yes, the owner's friend was living in that
20:58
Speaker 1: home with them. Okay, let me understand. So you've got
21:02
Speaker 1: the owner's friend and his girlfriend, right, and you've got
21:06
Speaker 1: the stepbrother and his girlfriend. Or if I added in
21:09
Speaker 1: one girlfriend him, yeah, you added one extra. But let
21:13
Speaker 1: me understand, let me get it straight. I gotta know
21:14
Speaker 1: everybody living in that home. I've got the owner's friend,
21:18
Speaker 1: I've got the stepbrother, David Haggard and his girlfriend, and
21:21
Speaker 1: I've got Jamie Haggard. It's her boyfriend living there. Different
21:25
Speaker 1: reports tell us that he was and he wasn't done. Okay,
21:27
Speaker 1: so maybe that's one one word maybe on and off.
21:31
Speaker 1: He's probably just like a sleepover weekend boyfriend. Okay, so
21:35
Speaker 1: here we go. We've got the owner friend, We've got
21:38
Speaker 1: the stepbrother, David Haggard and his girlfriend. We've got Jamie Haggard,
21:43
Speaker 1: and then you have the eight year old twins in
21:47
Speaker 1: and out. So that is a houseful, and you mean
21:51
Speaker 1: to tell me nobody knows what happened. Crime stories with
22:10
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace tonight. Kane County detectives are continuing to look
22:18
Speaker 1: for a missing Kenmore mother of two. Twenty seven year
22:21
Speaker 1: old Jamie Haggard disappeared around June eighth, and they are
22:24
Speaker 1: calling it suspicious. So this week they searched in and
22:27
Speaker 1: all around Arlington after getting several tips that she was
22:31
Speaker 1: spotted there, but detectives say it wasn't her, So they
22:35
Speaker 1: are asking everyone to be on the lookout. And while
22:37
Speaker 1: it's great that a lot of people have been sharing
22:39
Speaker 1: her photos on Facebook, detectives are asking you to call
22:43
Speaker 1: nine one or crime stoppers if you have any real information.
22:47
Speaker 1: There's spending a whole lot of time tracking down rumors
22:50
Speaker 1: instead of dealing with actual facts and people they can
22:53
Speaker 1: interview now. Last Friday, deputy searched her property, but they
22:57
Speaker 1: came up empty, even using a backhoe to sift through
23:00
Speaker 1: the piles of trash in the backyard of the home
23:03
Speaker 1: and are recently filled in hole as well. Detectives say
23:06
Speaker 1: no remains were found. Her cousin is extremely worried something
23:11
Speaker 1: happened to Jamie. There's been no activity on her cell
23:14
Speaker 1: phone and bank accounts. It just seems very unusual that
23:19
Speaker 1: she's nobody has heard from her for so long. It's
23:22
Speaker 1: not like her at all. I fear the most that
23:24
Speaker 1: somebody here heard her. You can hear the pain in
23:29
Speaker 1: Jamie's cousin, Alicia Falling's voice, the search going on for
23:34
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard. You were hearing our
23:37
Speaker 1: friend David Rose at Q thirteen Fox News. Now take
23:41
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k O seven. This
23:44
Speaker 1: is Alison Grande. When he heard detectives were back at
23:46
Speaker 1: the house today, he was hopeful he get answers to
23:50
Speaker 1: have a child missing is there's no closure. It's an
23:55
Speaker 1: open wound. It always will be a major crimes Investigators
24:00
Speaker 1: did not recover any new evidence today. This is very
24:03
Speaker 1: suspicious circumstances that surrounded her disappearance, and we believe somebody
24:07
Speaker 1: out there knows. Emley Haggard has a promise for his daughter.
24:11
Speaker 1: I'm not quitting, Jamie. I'm never going to quit, And
24:14
Speaker 1: detectives tell us they're not quitting either. At this point,
24:17
Speaker 1: they're not calling it a homicide. It is a criminal investigation.
24:21
Speaker 1: But investigators, after being here today, they didn't find any remains.
24:24
Speaker 1: They say they need help from the public to let
24:27
Speaker 1: them know where to search for Haggard next. So the
24:30
Speaker 1: search goes straight back to the home. Welcome back, everybody,
24:34
Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Twenty seven year
24:37
Speaker 1: old Jamie Haggard, the mother of two eight year old
24:39
Speaker 1: twin girls, goes missing. Where is Jamie? What went wrong?
24:45
Speaker 1: After following countless leads, investigators keep coming back to where
24:50
Speaker 1: she first goes missing. James Shellnutt with me twenty seven
24:54
Speaker 1: years Major case detective SWAT officer, now lawyer James shell Nutt.
25:00
Speaker 1: Why do they keep coming back to the same location
25:03
Speaker 1: where it all started, where she was last seen? Is
25:06
Speaker 1: that because they've reached a stumbling block and they keep
25:09
Speaker 1: going back to square one? I don't know. I love
25:12
Speaker 1: the logical reason that you would go back is that
25:15
Speaker 1: was the last known place that she was seen. You
25:18
Speaker 1: definitely want to search that and you know you're gonna
25:21
Speaker 1: ask both consent and search that property. If you believe
25:24
Speaker 1: that there's a crime Dispink Committe, you certainly want to
25:26
Speaker 1: get a search warrant to search that property. But you're
25:29
Speaker 1: gonna go back and you're gonna look for any evidence
25:32
Speaker 1: of who she had been talking with, who her inner
25:34
Speaker 1: circle was, and whether or not there's any evidence as
25:37
Speaker 1: to what occurred, what happened. Take a listen to our
25:39
Speaker 1: friends at ki RO seven. This is Graham Johnson. So
25:42
Speaker 1: far they told her they have not told us that
25:44
Speaker 1: they found anything substantial. Just after five o'clock we saw
25:47
Speaker 1: them doing some digging here in the front yard. You
25:49
Speaker 1: can see some evidence of that. Then a short time
25:51
Speaker 1: ago they returned that excavator to the backyard. The search
25:54
Speaker 1: has been focused on looking for human remains. Within the
25:58
Speaker 1: last hour, a truck Haulds off a pickup for evidence
26:01
Speaker 1: and an excavator began digging in the front yard of
26:04
Speaker 1: this ken Moore home, pulling up landscape fabric slowly so
26:08
Speaker 1: detectives can look for clues. Twenty seven year old Jamie
26:11
Speaker 1: Haggard lived here a few months. King County investigators say
26:14
Speaker 1: she was last seen at the home June eighth. Relatives
26:17
Speaker 1: say a few days later, her brother, also living here,
26:20
Speaker 1: came to ask his father and stepmother if they'd seen Jamie.
26:24
Speaker 1: I said, why are you asking? If she's here, you
26:27
Speaker 1: live with her. He goes, well, she walked away from
26:31
Speaker 1: the house five days ago. I got walked away from
26:34
Speaker 1: the house Longing's car in the driveway, and so that's
26:39
Speaker 1: when we started getting concerned. Lee Haggard looked for his
26:43
Speaker 1: daughter for a couple of days, then reported her missing
26:45
Speaker 1: June seventeenth. He says, it's unlike Jamie not to contact
26:49
Speaker 1: your parents or her twin daughters who live with their father.
26:53
Speaker 1: She worshiped the Gramley Walk and for her to be
26:56
Speaker 1: away from them, sum's wrong. Well, not only is something
27:01
Speaker 1: wrong to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the
27:06
Speaker 1: state of Florida. Not only are you the medical examiner,
27:10
Speaker 1: but medical examiner's pathologists look at surrounding evidence as they
27:17
Speaker 1: analyze a case. For instance, I remember an arson case
27:21
Speaker 1: and the wife of a millionaire in Atlanta died of
27:26
Speaker 1: smoke inhalation. She was also covered in bruises, which didn't
27:30
Speaker 1: make sense, does it? And the medical examiner look not
27:35
Speaker 1: only at the bruises and the smoke inhalation, but the
27:38
Speaker 1: fact that a millionaire husband the week before the fire
27:41
Speaker 1: took out all of his suits and dress clothes and
27:44
Speaker 1: family photos of his family, not hers, and squirreled it
27:48
Speaker 1: all away at local dry cleaners and his office warehouse. Now,
27:53
Speaker 1: the morning of the fire, he called the weather hotline
27:56
Speaker 1: to see if it was going to rain that day
27:59
Speaker 1: and call the insurance Come, you need to find out
28:00
Speaker 1: if he could get replacement furniture covered in case there
28:04
Speaker 1: was a fire. And guess what, forty eight hours later, Bam,
28:07
Speaker 1: there's a fire. So the medical examiner looked at all
28:11
Speaker 1: that evidence that said this is a homicide. So doctor
28:17
Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, when do you look at extrinsic evidence, extrinsic
28:22
Speaker 1: outside the body itself. Well, thanks for having me on
28:26
Speaker 1: the show again, Nancy, So always been a pleasure. You're right, Nancy.
28:28
Speaker 1: When the medical examiners, such as myself comes to a scene,
28:32
Speaker 1: we go through everything, every drawer, we look under every mattress,
28:35
Speaker 1: we pick up carpet, we take out the walls. Basically,
28:39
Speaker 1: whoa you take out the walls that just kind of
28:43
Speaker 1: chipped off your tongue. Let's talk about what you just said. Okay, Okay,
28:47
Speaker 1: Now remember you don't have a jury. You've got one, two, three, four,
28:51
Speaker 1: five experts ready to pounce. When you say you just
28:56
Speaker 1: kind of like threw it out there, they take apart
28:58
Speaker 1: the walls. Explain why that is necessary. Well, on this
29:02
Speaker 1: couple of cases, we've had bloody handprints on the walls,
29:05
Speaker 1: we had bloody footprints on the tile, and that we
29:08
Speaker 1: actually remove the tile and take that to the CSI
29:12
Speaker 1: lab for a very detailed examination. So nothing is safe
29:19
Speaker 1: when I come to your house. That's why I really
29:21
Speaker 1: never get invited anywhere. But neither do I. Nobody wants
29:25
Speaker 1: to talk about murder at dinner. I yes, doctor Tim Gallagher.
29:28
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know this, and I think
29:30
Speaker 1: it's very significant. I remember another case where a beautiful
29:36
Speaker 1: young woman, a mother of a little boy, had committed suicide.
29:41
Speaker 1: Now catch this. She committed suicide in her bed, naked,
29:46
Speaker 1: by shooting herself in the head. Okay, we all know
29:49
Speaker 1: that's wrong on so many levels because women typically don't
29:53
Speaker 1: shoot themselves in the head or around the face, or
29:56
Speaker 1: shoot themselves at all, generally speaking, as a motive suicide,
30:01
Speaker 1: nor do they arrange it so they will be found
30:04
Speaker 1: buck naked. That practically never happens, so I knew it
30:08
Speaker 1: the get goes something was way wrong. It was the
30:12
Speaker 1: medical Examiner's team that was going back to the home
30:18
Speaker 1: and I met up with them there. That's how I know,
30:22
Speaker 1: just walked in because they were there. Long story short,
30:25
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that the medical examiner
30:28
Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions has an investigative team and they go investigate,
30:34
Speaker 1: just like homicide or police go investigate. And I remember
30:37
Speaker 1: using some of their measurements that the Medical Examiner's office
30:41
Speaker 1: had taken as to how far the casings were from
30:44
Speaker 1: the bed, what position the shooter would be in at
30:48
Speaker 1: the time of the shooting, for the casings to land
30:51
Speaker 1: where they landed, and they had even performed experiments because
30:54
Speaker 1: there was carpet on the floor, so we were there
30:57
Speaker 1: dropping showcasings and seeing where they bounced. Medical examiners go investigate.
31:04
Speaker 1: It doesn't start when the body rolls into the morgue.
31:07
Speaker 1: I love this profession, Nancy. I would not do anything else.
31:10
Speaker 1: That is one of the major joys that I have
31:13
Speaker 1: in being a medical examiner is getting everything that I
31:17
Speaker 1: need to find the answer, to find the truth and
31:19
Speaker 1: to get closure for the family. Yes, I've crawled under beds,
31:23
Speaker 1: I've gone into the weirdest places you can imagine, down
31:27
Speaker 1: into holes and oh manner of hoarders, homes, etc. And
31:33
Speaker 1: I would not do anything else to get the answers
31:37
Speaker 1: that I need. There's nothing that can stop me. You
31:39
Speaker 1: know what, It's a funny thing once you are in
31:41
Speaker 1: the criminal law business that, like Gallagher's talking, everything else
31:46
Speaker 1: seems dry and boring. I mean, when I have to
31:50
Speaker 1: go to some event or get together or a school event,
31:53
Speaker 1: if you're not talking about murder, I am not interested.
31:56
Speaker 1: I am bored out of my skull. I can say
31:58
Speaker 1: this though, to ask you Billcot judge and trial lawyer.
32:02
Speaker 1: You can see her on Court TV. Actually, there's a
32:05
Speaker 1: big difference in returning back to Jamie Haggard's home to
32:07
Speaker 1: ask questions and digging out the yard with a bacco.
32:11
Speaker 1: Yeah you think. I mean, there is a huge difference.
32:14
Speaker 1: And one of the things that fascinates me in this
32:16
Speaker 1: case is the deliberate steps taken, but also how long
32:22
Speaker 1: it took to take each of these steps and decide
32:25
Speaker 1: to dig it up with a bacco. I think that
32:27
Speaker 1: as this typical law enforcement had a lot of information
32:30
Speaker 1: that they couldn't disclose. They didn't want to interfere with
32:33
Speaker 1: their own investigation. They couldn't tell the media, they couldn't
32:35
Speaker 1: tell their friends, they couldn't tell the family. But I
32:38
Speaker 1: think that they had a lot of information that were
32:41
Speaker 1: building blocks to say we now have a need to
32:44
Speaker 1: dig up that backyard crime stories with Nancy Grace. Detectives
33:02
Speaker 1: have worked the case quietly for a month. Today they
33:05
Speaker 1: arrived with search warrants and an excavator after learning that
33:08
Speaker 1: a backyard hole had been filled in within the last
33:11
Speaker 1: month since Jamie disappeared. Because Sheriff's office considers this a
33:14
Speaker 1: suspicious missing case. Over the last month have not found
33:19
Speaker 1: any cell phone activity, bank activity, and again, investigators have
33:23
Speaker 1: not told us yet if they've found anything substantial here.
33:26
Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard was trained as a medical assistant Overlake Medical
33:29
Speaker 1: Center tells me she worked there a little over a year,
33:32
Speaker 1: be leaving in June twenty fifteen. If you have any
33:34
Speaker 1: information about where she might be, called the King County
33:37
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. You are hearing our friend, that's Graham Johnson
33:40
Speaker 1: Kay seven, and you're hearing Sergeant B. J. Meyers from
33:45
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office. Well in the month following Jamie Haggard's disappearance,
33:52
Speaker 1: all roads seem to lead to nowhere, and, believe it
33:55
Speaker 1: or not, a year past. Listen. The first time they
34:00
Speaker 1: dug up the yard was last summer. There was a
34:02
Speaker 1: pond in the back they said had been filled in
34:04
Speaker 1: with dirt. Investigators won't tell us what brought them back
34:08
Speaker 1: here today, but they tell us they do believe Haggard
34:11
Speaker 1: is dead and they had hoped her remains were here.
34:16
Speaker 1: Detectives used a backhoe to search the yard of the
34:19
Speaker 1: home where twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard was living
34:22
Speaker 1: when she disappeared. From Chopper seven, you could see they
34:26
Speaker 1: were digging several holes looking for Haggard's remains. We got
34:30
Speaker 1: a tip that we needed to dig at a new area,
34:33
Speaker 1: in a new spot of this property. Haggard is the
34:35
Speaker 1: mother of twin little girls. She was last seen June eighth,
34:39
Speaker 1: reported missing by her dad June seventeenth. I think about
34:42
Speaker 1: her all the time. I'm worried about her. I always have.
34:45
Speaker 1: I've always worried about her. We met Lee Haggard at
34:47
Speaker 1: his neighborhood pub. At his table to talk about his
34:50
Speaker 1: little girl. It's been a year, and I'm hoping if
34:53
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta to know something. Investigators met with Lee Haggard
34:57
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago to tell him they believe Jamie
35:00
Speaker 1: is dead. They took DNA swabs from both parents, which
35:03
Speaker 1: would help them identify her remains. Those hard hardisty. Oh
35:09
Speaker 1: my stars, can you even imagine giving DNA to help
35:13
Speaker 1: find your daughter. That only means one thing that cops
35:16
Speaker 1: thinks she's dead. I want you to take a listen
35:19
Speaker 1: now to K I R O Seven's Alison Grande, and
35:23
Speaker 1: this is how fast they're working here. They had one
35:26
Speaker 1: more thought they wanted to check in the yard and
35:28
Speaker 1: they just finish that up just in the last minute
35:30
Speaker 1: or so and brought the back hoo here around the
35:32
Speaker 1: side of the home. This is where Jamie Haggard used
35:35
Speaker 1: to live. This is where she was reported missing from,
35:38
Speaker 1: and they were doing all they can to find her remains,
35:40
Speaker 1: but so far the search here today has come up empty.
35:44
Speaker 1: Now we want to show you a picture of Jamie.
35:46
Speaker 1: This is who we're talking about, twenty seven year old
35:48
Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard. She was the mother of twin girls and
35:51
Speaker 1: has been missing for over a year, for just about
35:53
Speaker 1: a year. From shop or seven, you can see how
35:56
Speaker 1: detectives were working in the backyard of this house trying
35:59
Speaker 1: to dig through using this back hoo to try to
36:02
Speaker 1: see if they could find the young woman's remains. They
36:04
Speaker 1: spent all morning looking. They did search the same yard
36:07
Speaker 1: last summer. They searched in a pond area that had
36:10
Speaker 1: been filled in with dirt, and they did not find
36:12
Speaker 1: her there. They say they got a new information, a
36:15
Speaker 1: new lead that brought them back to this house this
36:17
Speaker 1: morning so they could search a different part of that backyard.
36:21
Speaker 1: Detectives tell us Haggard is presumed dead to doctor Liz Dibor,
36:25
Speaker 1: psychologist in New York in Pennsylvania, the founder of Visionistas
36:29
Speaker 1: by Design, and you can find her at doctor Liz
36:31
Speaker 1: Lyz dot com doctor Dubor. Even when cops are coming
36:37
Speaker 1: and taking DNA swabs, they're called buckle swabs from the mouth.
36:42
Speaker 1: You just get like m it looks like a Q
36:44
Speaker 1: tip and slide it along the inside of the mouth.
36:48
Speaker 1: From the parents, the dad still is thinking he can
36:53
Speaker 1: bring her home alive. Now, that's what I talk about,
36:57
Speaker 1: clinging to hope even in the face of overwhelming evidence
37:00
Speaker 1: to the contrary, Doctor Liz, Why what about the human
37:05
Speaker 1: makes you your your psyche cling to the hope that
37:09
Speaker 1: the unthinkable could be true, could could be false. Yeah,
37:12
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great question. Our brain tends to
37:17
Speaker 1: protect us from that which we fear the most. Um,
37:20
Speaker 1: So we hear about this very thing of denialal really
37:24
Speaker 1: just knowing perhaps this could be the truth, and with
37:30
Speaker 1: every fiber of your being hoping that it's not. Um
37:34
Speaker 1: And so sometimes we think of that as a conscious
37:36
Speaker 1: process of being able to hear the information, hear the evidence,
37:42
Speaker 1: and decide what we believe to be true. But our
37:45
Speaker 1: brains can also protect us by using the mechanism in
37:50
Speaker 1: an unconscious way of really just being able to deny it.
37:55
Speaker 1: And when you are denying of the truth, on some level,
38:00
Speaker 1: you're still able to function that, Okay, this isn't true,
38:04
Speaker 1: this isn't true. So it's unclear whether it's actually a
38:08
Speaker 1: conscious hope or function of that kind of that first
38:12
Speaker 1: stage of really grieving is the denial phase. Take a
38:16
Speaker 1: listen to the stepmother Patty Haggard speaking to our friend
38:22
Speaker 1: Rod Munoz. Detectives also told us there are no suspects
38:25
Speaker 1: in custody over Hagar's disappearance, but they were able to
38:28
Speaker 1: gather valuable context clues by talking to neighbors. Her father
38:31
Speaker 1: told us this afternoon, Haggard had some financial troubles recently.
38:35
Speaker 1: That's how her brother reported her missing. That has them
38:37
Speaker 1: especially concerned. I said, why are you asking if she's here?
38:42
Speaker 1: You live with her. He goes, well, she walked away
38:45
Speaker 1: from the house five days ago. I go, walked away
38:49
Speaker 1: from the house. Belongings car, it's in the driveway. And
38:54
Speaker 1: so that's when we started getting concerned. Even though they've
38:57
Speaker 1: been looking for a month, her family feels no closer
39:00
Speaker 1: defining her. I'm missing my daughter. I just I don't
39:02
Speaker 1: know what happened to her, and I want her home.
39:06
Speaker 1: Detectives also told us they have no clues on whether
39:08
Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard is still out there somewhere, and neighbors here
39:11
Speaker 1: who live inside the house say they couldn't comment. Well,
39:15
Speaker 1: I think the mother, the stepmother, is right to be
39:18
Speaker 1: concerned as to the fact scenario that she just walked
39:22
Speaker 1: away when her car is sitting in the driveway. So
39:27
Speaker 1: that's what we're being told by the step brother. Now
39:31
Speaker 1: listen to Kai and g five hours before she vanished,
39:35
Speaker 1: Jamie told her boyfriend she was afraid David would kill her.
39:38
Speaker 1: David told friends conflicting stories, telling some he last saw
39:42
Speaker 1: her just walking away and others that she left in
39:46
Speaker 1: a car with a stranger. Police later recovered a burned
39:49
Speaker 1: pair of pants from the backyard of the home where
39:52
Speaker 1: David and Jamie lived. It's just one thing after another
39:55
Speaker 1: that's heartbreaking. David also reportedly told people that he would
39:59
Speaker 1: not pass up holygraph test. When police reported sightings of Jamie,
40:03
Speaker 1: David told witnesses that was not possible. A police also
40:07
Speaker 1: say that a GPS from a stolen car that David
40:10
Speaker 1: was driving put him near the scene where Jamie's body
40:13
Speaker 1: was found. He was already in jail on arson charges.
40:16
Speaker 1: Police believe he set those fires to try to conceal
40:19
Speaker 1: evidence related to this murder. As bond now set at
40:23
Speaker 1: two million dollars, so Dave mack. Her remains were found
40:28
Speaker 1: where on the side of the road in a suitcase
40:31
Speaker 1: just thrown off the side. Crew working to clean the
40:35
Speaker 1: area actually found it and they took the bag to
40:38
Speaker 1: the roadway to be picked up by the trash truck.
40:41
Speaker 1: And it was only an afterthought to open it and
40:44
Speaker 1: see what was inside, and that's when they found Jamie.
40:47
Speaker 1: So all this time they're digging up the backyard she's
40:51
Speaker 1: actually her remains are in a suitcase thrown to the
40:55
Speaker 1: side of the road. To doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiners
41:00
Speaker 1: of Florida, how do you make sense out of remains
41:03
Speaker 1: after a year has passed and they've been in a suitcase. Well,
41:07
Speaker 1: that's certainly not going to be an easy case, Nancy,
41:09
Speaker 1: but it's one that I accept the challenge for quite often.
41:15
Speaker 1: There are, of course a DNA. We have DNA of
41:17
Speaker 1: the parents, so we can make an identification that way,
41:20
Speaker 1: but we also have X rays and dental work that
41:23
Speaker 1: we could also make a secondary identification with. And additionally,
41:28
Speaker 1: she may have jewelry or clothing or some tattoo that
41:32
Speaker 1: can be used as a secondary piece of identification as well.
41:38
Speaker 1: So it's not a very good case. It's a very
41:43
Speaker 1: gruesome case, but it's certainly one that any confident medical
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Speaker 1: examiner can solve. Well. Back to you, Dave Matt Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what evidence do the police
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Speaker 1: have against David Haggard? They zeroed in on him. Obviously
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Speaker 1: he's charged with Arson and they believe that he what
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Speaker 1: burned some of her clothing or remains. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: is the evidence against the stepbrother? Okay, well, you know
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Speaker 1: you ran a bit a minute ago where they talked
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Speaker 1: about context clues they have the police have developed over
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. They found a pair of
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Speaker 1: jeans that were burned, apparently in the yard, and they
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Speaker 1: were able to tie those directly to Jamie. But beyond that,
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Speaker 1: the context clues of talking to neighbors and friends, they
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Speaker 1: were able to prove that there was a relationship between
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Speaker 1: Jamie Haggard and her half brother David that was volatile
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Speaker 1: on a good day, violent and vicious to the point
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Speaker 1: where he David took pictures after he beat Jamie and
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Speaker 1: put her in a bathtub tied up. They found that
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Speaker 1: picture because he shared it with people. So they were
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Speaker 1: able to develop the back ground between the two and
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Speaker 1: their relationship and how bad it really was. And they
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Speaker 1: actually did have Jamie telling her boyfriend and it was
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Speaker 1: recorded that she feared for her life, that David had
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Speaker 1: recently knocked her unconscious and that she was afraid he
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Speaker 1: was going to kill her. What did they argue about
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Speaker 1: Dave's mac money, drugs, you name it. They had a
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Speaker 1: lot of friction going on, but at the last moments,
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Speaker 1: David was trying to get help from his girlfriend and
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Speaker 1: the other roommate to push Jamie out. What we know
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Speaker 1: now is that the brother, the step brother, David Brent Haggard,
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Speaker 1: age forty five, is charged with Jamie Haggard's death. Her
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Speaker 1: little girls will very likely never remember her. We wait
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Speaker 1: as justice of false Nancy Grace Grant story side of
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