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PODCAST: Episode 804 - Pinkshift Embraces Their Heavy Side on "Earthkeeper" - New Interview and Album Deep Dive · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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Earthkeeper really does explore what freedom means to you in
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like a way because it's so cathartic.
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There's so many like releases, but it's also like we're
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acknowledging the pain and we're acknowledging the discord as
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well. But like, how do you find
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freedom within a society that wasn't created for you?
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And how do you find that freedom that you can then share and like
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carry forward to make change, like real change that like
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really lasts? You need to feel that freedom
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inside your soul first, regardless of what's going on
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around you. And I feel like Earthkeeper is a
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lot about just like finding that sense of like inner peace and
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release to it's like a powerful thing to be able to feel that in
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the midst of everything that's meant to make you feel
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powerless. What's up everybody?
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It's Kefi from ghostcultman.com. I am stoked to be once again
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joined by one of my favorite groups of people of all time,
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Pink Shift. How are you doing?
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Oh. That's so sweet.
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We're doing good. You're not supposed to have
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favorites when you're a journalist, but I don't care
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because my show my my thing, my rules.
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But you know, I, I said offline that I'm meeting you in Chicago
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at Riot Fest a couple of years ago and doing that last
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interview kind of on the spot. And we made a not great
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situation fun. And I love anyone who can roll
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like that. And we're going to be lifelong
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fans and friends. And I'm very proud of you guys
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because I think there's been a huge growth in the band from the
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debut record to now, which again, this whole period of time
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since we last met, all these things have been happening and
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you know, all these festivals and tours and new music.
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So I just, I hope this turns out to be the celebration for you.
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I hope it is. As to we've been, we've been
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building up to it. Right on.
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And yeah, of course. And a shout out eternally to
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hopeless because you know, it's, it's very rare.
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We live in a really crazy time in the music business where
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everything is very, feels very thin and not on great standing.
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So if you have a label behind you that's supportive and, and
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encouraging and giving you what you need to get your next to
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your next level and your next phase of your artistry, I'm
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going to always Rep that label and support them.
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So hopeless is we had a long time relationship with them.
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They just bought Fat Wreck, which I was like, so surprised I
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knew was coming and, and the way I was.
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I'm proud that I have worked with them a long time as I was
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such a Fat Wreck fan and I'm glad that like everything they
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did is like very artist forward. So that's you really don't see
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that anymore. Yeah, we've had a great time
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with Hopeless. We've been really fortunate.
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Indeed oh, I love the loudest beauty flag nice that's fire.
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So let's talk about Earthkeeper, right?
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It's album #2 and you know, you never, every band says like this
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new records our best thing ever. But I really think this is
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actually your best thing. Like I love the debut and I love
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those songs and they, you know, are so much more powerful live,
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I think. But this record's like a
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different, a whole different beast.
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So I wanted to talk about kind of the headspace you were in
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coming into writing it because you know, there, you know, you
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put pressure on yourself. You have to be the first fan of
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your band no matter what anyone else says.
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Like you obviously want to please people, but you gotta,
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you have to be feeling it initially for it to work, right?
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So talk about that for a second. Yeah, I mean, we were touring a
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lot after Love Me Forever came out and not to say that we got
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burnt out touring, but I think that we were just like kind of
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no breaks for like a few years. So like we we did Suraksha
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during that time. It was kind of just like, all
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right, three songs, you know, and then we got to just get back
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out and we were on tour up until like from the studio tour,
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studio tour. So we took a break in like 2024
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just to like recalibrate and we had to kind of find each other
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again after all that because, you know, like you get back on
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earth and we've all got our own like family, things like moving
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or, you know, like friendship. Like there's so much shit going
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on at home that, you know, you kind of just can't really have
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the headspace for when you're working really hard.
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So we all took a beat to do that.
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And then to get back on the same page, we like got a cabin and it
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worked out. We were able to really connect
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there. I don't know if you guys want
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to. Yeah, 'cause like we were in a
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spot where we're in, like, different places mentally and
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creatively. And it's funny that you say how
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like, you know, first and foremost, like artists, like you
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want to make music that you're a fan of and like be like a fan of
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like your own artistry and everything.
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And I feel like there was a point where we really weren't
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really, you know, happy with what we were creating.
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I mean, like obviously like we liked it because we were making
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it, but there was a lot we. Were getting frustrated with it.
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Yeah, exactly. Like, initially it was like, all
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right, cool. Yeah.
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And then there was a point where we're just like, oh, this just
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kind of makes me upset because we couldn't figure out really
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like why we didn't like it. And we were.
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Yeah, I was going to say, we had to like break out of what we
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normally do like a lot. Like we had to change a lot of
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our approach. Right.
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A lot of the first record was written on a, on Logic, kind of
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like directly recording straight onto the computer.
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You know, I think just kind of approaching the second record in
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that way definitely led to some, like Martin said, like not like,
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not like we hated it, but it was just like, this feels like we're
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like, like we kind of outgrew that approach.
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So kind of getting a cabin together and really just trying
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to write these songs live first, just jamming them out, the three
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of us trying out different ideas for hours until like the early
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mornings, early hours of the morning, because we would, we
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would, we were night owls during that cabin trip.
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It really allowed for some news, some new songs to breathe and
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and ideas that we brought there to like take on a way different
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life than they would have if we just slap them on to record them
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straight into the computer. From the job, yeah.
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And then doing it like more like that.
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I think we just didn't overthink it as much because it's just
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like, OK, this felt good when we were playing it, so let's just
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like put it down and like, let's do something nice to move on
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from that, you know? Because like when it's like in
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the DAW, you can really obsess over it, like for years, like
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people obsessed with a song that they've recorded in a DOF for
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like 10 years. Like it's just like one thing.
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All the things that you can fix. Yeah, it's like the drums
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admirer and I would like look at like a the way a drum is like
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mapped out on the MIDI like thing.
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And then we like have this really cool idea for a song and
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then we like, OK, we have this idea and then we spend like 30
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minutes just like a dusting different things where, you
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know, that could be done later. It's like easy to get lost, like
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the very little things and like forget that, like wait, I had an
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idea for this song but I'm too busy working on like the first,
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like the first, the intro. Right.
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Like for like going off of that one thing at least like for me
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that we were doing that like I was doing differently is when
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we're all writing stuff, I would prioritize like what the feel is
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of like different parts versus exactly like note for note what
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I'm trying to play. And that like was that was the
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case up until like we went into the studios who actually record
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them where it's like, all right, I have a field slash like a
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specific kind of energy that I want to play during these parts.
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Sometimes I would have like field setup that I actually
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wanted to do. Sometimes I would have like
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extra stuff, but for the most part it'd be like, all right,
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this is like the basis of what I want to play.
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Hearing it back over and over, like the demos that we have is
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like when I would come up with like specific ideas for
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different things. And then in the studio, we just
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do like a bunch of takes and piece together the parts that we
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like best. Yeah, right on.
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You know, thank you for sharing that.
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Uh, it's also risky to change what worked before, Hey, this is
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how we got a record deal and toward the world, but also risky
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to throw it out the window and say, yeah.
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That's so right. That's what are we doing and
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let's do it differently, but but look what came from it, right?
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So that's positive and does doesn't always work, but you
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took a risk and that's huge. Like as a creative, right?
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Like that's a huge thing to be able to like we're gonna get out
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of our comfort zone and do things differently this time
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around. That's super brave.
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It really is because like it's so hard to fly in the fear of
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everything else. And you know that everything is
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a tightrope in the business, right?
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And the world. So like where it's just never
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ending. So thank you for sharing all
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that. And I'm glad you got to, you
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know, kind of do it organically together.
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That's that's beautiful because you don't see that a lot.
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Technology is wonderful and it has a lot of uses, but also can
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take you take the human being out of things.
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And I know that's a thing you all talked about even on your
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little podcast series where you were talking about AI, which I
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thought. Was fantastic blog post.
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I've been following. I'm telling you, you made a, you
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made a fan out of me long ago, but I've stayed a fan.
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So like, I love that that's kind of in it seems like it's on your
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mind to do things a little more real and raw.
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And the record sounds real and raw as a result, which I think
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is fantastic. Thank you.
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Yeah, I really. Appreciate that.
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And then there's this kind of thing where I feel like just
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today we're all kind of under siege, right, where everybody's
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got their own little battles going on.
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You mentioned family, your personal struggles, other
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things. And so there's definitely, it's
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still catchy, it's still hard, it's fun.
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But there's some seriousness on this record that I think, you
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know, not that the other record didn't have it too, but like,
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yeah, I think it's just like, this is a record I keep waiting
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for, Like the record that's going to be like a match or a
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wake up call for people, a Molotov cocktail as a as.
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I. Keep thinking.
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I thought about it. The lesson, Oh, we got this
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terrible government is terrible, economy is terrible, world is
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terrible. Where's the music that reflects
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this? And now we're getting it.
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I think it's it's slowly creeping in the discontent and
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and the intelligence. That's the thing I always liked
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about the band is that you bring forth these, you're not
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preaching, you're just sharing. This is our view, our lens,
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right? But it's not like super preachy.
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It's, but it's also, you know, fierce, empowering, all the
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things it needs to do. So I love these songs.
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It's there's a, there's a couple that are particular bangers, but
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I expected bangers. You know, like I came in, I
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knew, I knew you knew the assignment.
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So I expected, but it's heavy. It's super heavy.
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And I know you reflected on that a little bit in some of the the
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media coverage is that it's it's real heavy.
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I think it's gonna surprise people.
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Yeah, we, we, I think it's just like from touring and just
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getting better individually. Like Paul became like a better
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instrumentalist, Myron became like a better drummer, I became
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a better vocalist. And we just have, I think more,
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more of like a range, Like our range is bigger of like the kind
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of stuff that we can do. So, you know, there's times at
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which we get softer than we have gotten in the past, like on
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Suspended, I feel like that's one where we get like real soft
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and like intimate. And then there's like stuff
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that's like heavy as shit. Like, you know, like I think
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Don't Fight is really cool. It's one of my favorites, but I
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know we have like a couple other ones.
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So I think this album is really like a range of just everything
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that we've like, learned and incorporated into like our own
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styles of performing. I think it's one of those
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moments too where we all kind of like saw each other's like I
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believe like like a street is like we're are all individual or
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individual growth, but like not just acknowledging it, but like
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really encouraging it and accepting it.
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A street to acknowledging that Myron and I are we're like super
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getting into like the modern metal stuff past couple years
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and street is like Paul by that 7 string, like my arm, just like
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try, try that thing that you're thinking of.
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And we're all like a street that you just learn how to scream.
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Do it, like try it on this, try it on that.
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But you also have the capability of having like a really like
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soft, airy tone. Like, you know, it's like one of
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those things where where I think the three of us are also just
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kind of like inviting and drawing those parts out of each
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other that that made this record sound as as diverse as it really
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did. Because I, I also, you know,
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three years ago, four years ago, wouldn't expect a song like I
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Need a Ride to be paired with a song like Suspended.
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And to know that we, oh, we wrote that in the same mindset.
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We wrote that in the same in the same era.
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Yeah, that's true. We're all like growing together
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a lot. I think like, like, yeah, like I
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think we're as we're equally getting heavy and we're equally
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like, we have more pop stuff. And then we have like the like,
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you know, like the rock and the grunge and everything there too.
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But I think we're kind of like going, everybody's like, you're
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getting heavier, getting heavier.
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But I'm like, I think we're going kind of like both ways in
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like a weird way. The range is getting bigger.
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Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know, again, has to
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plea, you know, has to satisfy something in you first and then
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you bring it out to everybody else.
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But I think they're gonna like the existing fans are gonna dig
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on some of this more raw stuff. And again, this is the world we
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live in right now. It's it's bananas.
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Every single day. I'm like, is this real?
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Am I real? Is any of this real?
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Are we living in the Matrix? What is happening?
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Not in like an ironic way, like a serious Are we OK?
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I don't feel OK. Are you all OK?
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This is not OK. Like every day I have this
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philosophical diatribe with myself.
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Probably also illness. So look, thanks for that.
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But like. No, that's so real.
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I feel like I wake up every day and I like open Instagram or
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even like turn on the news. Started watching the news on TV
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and it's just like, Oh my God, wow.
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Was I just not listening before or is it worse like everyday, I
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don't know, Elsa like after love me forever, honestly, because
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like love me forever is like a specific journey.
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I was like oh like this is like I'm not gonna what if I'm not
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angry again? But I feel like there's just
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such a breath of emotion to describe the times that we're
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going through right now as a society.
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Like, I don't know, like I, I guess it's a global society
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fighting fascism on a global scale.
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Like also just in the United States, which is historically,
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not historically, but it's always like the propaganda is
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that this is so it's a free place and the propaganda isn't
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even really cutting through like it used to.
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They love that word freedom, but few people really understand it
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and will serve for it. And you know, all these things,
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The idea of freedom is what I think people really like.
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And then they really like it. They like their flags and they
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like their freedom on paper. And then in reality, they don't
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want everybody else to have that freedom.
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Well, it's just me. I meant, I didn't mean all of
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you. So it's really, and that's like
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the core of this country is hella offensive that that's just
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normalized. I don't.
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And so of course, like I said, I was waiting for music like this
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album to come along and and smack people a little because
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you can't, you can't talk, you know, like taking the moral High
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Road is not working. Speaking softly and
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intelligently is not working. Facts are not working.
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Real shit is not working. So we have to just, you know, we
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got to give him 1A knuckle sandwich.
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I think, I think like what you're saying kind of like makes
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me feel like, like I think the record really does Earthkeeper
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really does explore what freedom means to you in like a way
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because it's so cathartic. There's so many like releases,
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but it's also like we're acknowledging the pain and we're
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acknowledging the discord as well.
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But like, how do you find freedom within a society that
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wasn't created for you? And how do you find that freedom
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that you can then share and like carry forward to make change,
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like real change that like really lasts?
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You need to feel that freedom inside your soul first,
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regardless of what's going on around you.
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And I feel like Earthkeeper is a lot about just like finding that
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sense of like inner peace and release to it's like a powerful
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thing to be able to feel that in the midst of everything that's
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meant to make you feel powerless.
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So I think that I think that's a big thing on this record.
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And I think that might be why it resonates in that way.
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It resonates for me in that way for sure.
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Absolutely. I I also, by the way, the planet
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is actively trying to kill us all the time and we're not
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paying attention to that either. I'm, I'm dreading another
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pandemic because I think about the last like 600 days.
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I didn't get to go to a concert or a show or a festival or, or
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the movies or anything. And I don't want that coming
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back. But I just feel like with some
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of these bozos in charge who don't believe in science, we're
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going to be screwed again. And, you know, musicians, we got
16:58
it almost the hardest anybody in the music world because, you
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know, we're not we're not rocket scientists, We're not curing
17:04
cancer. We're just, we're helping people
17:06
on another level that we need. I need.
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I need shows I don't know about. Yeah.
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I think you. Do too.
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I think that like, also like the music space is a really cool
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space where we have the power to create this bottom to top
17:17
structure that it is so overpowering.
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Like you can really shape culture and you can change
17:24
people's minds and you can create community and you can
17:28
influence community. So I feel like if, if music, if
17:33
everybody listened, you know, I mean, if, if we really take it
17:37
seriously, it is really a wonderful portal and a wonderful
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space to really create change. And I genuinely believe that
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because it's like, it's like you have to break the prison in your
17:48
mind in order to be be able to see leave in the matrix.
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Like, you know, you had to like you had to breakthrough in order
17:55
to see the big picture. And I think it's a lot of it's a
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lot of like music really can take you there.
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Music can take you to a place where you feel empowered, where
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you feel together or you feel like even those things that are
18:06
trying to beat you down, like they feel smaller all of a
18:09
sudden just because of music. So it's it's a gift to be here.
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Even all those bozos in charge are like, whatever.
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We have our community and we have the capacity to shape our
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community and, and really take part in them and like, protect
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each other. We protect us, you know?
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And yeah, I don't know. That's why I'm really grateful
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to be in this space, like in the music space, Not to like cut you
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off or anything. No, no, that was great and I
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want that's what I'm here for. This is the conversations I want
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to be having with your band. So thank you.
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And also, I feel like your fans from getting out there and you
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know, looking into the fan community and, and doing my
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Reddit research with a grain of salt always, but like, you know,
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it feels like your fans are willing to come with you on this
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journey. And that's the best and most
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gratifying thing is I, like you created this space.
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Hey, we are a band that talks about these things.
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We are, we have all the same range of feelings everyone else
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does, but we talked about these things that are important to us.
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You did that on the first record.
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You continue to on on this record.
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So I'm really pumped for people to hear it all and I do think
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like the heaviness is again, it's so appreciated.
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Paul, thank you for getting that baritone guitar out of the case
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and writing these pillar heavy riffs and new, you know, new
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metal inspirations. Did did you have like favorite
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new metal bands going in or did you like rediscover some other
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ones? Like, Oh, you know, we could do
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some stuff like that. Had you did you go through
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memory lane? I.
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Think definitely. I mean growing up like Linkin
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Park and Slipknot were like my middle school jams and stuff.
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Slipknot was a lot was revisited when we started covering ILIS
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and kind of like I know while we were recording Evil Eye, it
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reminded our producer of Slipknot and I think that also
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Catalyst. I forgot me to listen to
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Slipknot. Yeah.
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But Myron put me on the loathe couple years back.
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And I remember listening to that record, I let it in and took
20:04
everything and it kind of like, like when I was in middle school
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and it listened to My Chemical Romance, I was just like, I'm
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piercing. I was like, wow, this is like
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what I wanted. Like I want to do this.
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I want to make this kind of that same thing.
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That same switch in my mind flipped again when I listened to
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Loathe. I was like, wow, they really
20:19
made these really heavy, guttural, crazy heavy music
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accessible to someone like me that I don't really, I don't
20:28
typically listen to to like crazy heavy stuff like that.
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But now, now way more primed and excited about the direction that
20:39
modern metal is going in. And so yeah.
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And Knock Loose as well. I know Meyer and I've been very
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into Knock Loose has been in the spirit box and I enjoy I'm
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enjoying a few songs off the record, but I haven't given it
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the I want to give it the proper like the proper day to like
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digest all of it. But.
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I feel like when you discover a band, it's like there's a day
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that you like find out about a band and then there's like a day
21:03
that you discover a band and you just can't like push it for some
21:06
reason. Even though like, you know, I
21:08
want everybody to discover us at this at the same time that they
21:11
find out about us. But it just takes that moment.
21:14
Right. Sometimes people aren't like
21:15
ready. Like that's how it was with like
21:17
knock Loose. My friends in high school used
21:20
to play with Knock loose. Like when we were in college and
21:22
hang out, they would be playing knock loose in the car and I
21:25
didn't get it. Like I just straight up didn't
21:27
get it. And they put out that in 2021
21:31
and I saw like literally it was like the Hate 5-6 video, just
21:34
like the beginning of that. And I was like.
21:36
Oh. I see, you know, I was just
21:40
like, okay, like seeing that energy and like seeing like the
21:44
band interact with each other and like with the crowd.
21:46
I was like, okay, now, now I'm gonna give it a shot.
21:50
Like for real? You know what band just clicks
21:52
for me? I know I told the street for
21:53
this, but I don't know if I told you my Oasis.
21:55
Oh really? I.
21:57
Haven't done. A bit.
21:58
I haven't done it yet. It just clicked.
22:01
I was like, I get why everybody freaked out when they came back.
22:05
Now it's a good ticket. I did not expect you to say
22:09
Oasis. There's I really thought you
22:12
were gonna say Deftones there, but OK.
22:15
No, I love Oasis unapologetically.
22:18
I'm shocked they lasted this handful.
22:21
You know, the European shows have worked out so well, I'm
22:24
pretty sure. The most beer in a stadium?
22:27
Yeah, yeah. Like they're much bigger in
22:30
Europe, especially Western Europe than America, right.
22:33
But like, it's wild. And I know the nostalgia is a
22:36
thing, but also at the same time, Live Nation, Evil Live
22:39
Nation just put out a whole thing about like, hey, modern
22:42
metal and hardcore bands, most of whom are inspired by new
22:46
metal, interestingly enough, are like, pushing ticket sales for
22:49
heavy music fans. And I was like, you know, they
22:51
have the research. At least they can point to it.
22:53
But yeah, not loose, you know, I'm happy for them.
22:57
Spirit boxes, Rad. I hear a lot of stuff in bands
23:01
like Knock Loose and Spirit Box and even Poppy where like
23:05
they're doing a lot of the 90s, mid 90s new metal, like that
23:09
first big wave of new metal bands are suddenly beloved again
23:14
and or unretiring, like system headlining, you know, stadiums,
23:18
even if they don't want to do a hundred of them, which they
23:20
easily could. I like that they're doing a
23:23
handful and then, you know, whatever, a full tour somewhere
23:25
else cuz you know, they have to stay getting along.
23:28
And that is, you guys know it's hard.
23:30
It's hard to do, But I, I think this influences killer is also
23:34
still a lot of the other stuff, pop punk and and again, you
23:38
talked about these softer, more intimate songs and it so that
23:40
brings me to my next thing. When we first met, you guys were
23:43
playing clubs and then festivals and we talked about that.
23:46
Right. So to follow up on a question
23:48
three years later, let's talk about now.
23:50
Like, you know, will some of these chiller songs work in a
23:55
big, big setting? Will they go over?
23:58
Yeah, Club. What do you think?
23:59
I think it'll be great. I'll be fine.
24:02
I think that sound great. I think that's not awesome,
24:04
honestly. Like we wrote all of this stuff
24:07
just like having in mind that we were going to be playing them to
24:09
people, which is new because I think everything else before we
24:13
were during the pandemic, like like love me forever and stuff.
24:16
And like all of this, we're like, wow.
24:18
Like as we're writing it, we're like, we're so excited to play
24:20
this to an audience. And no matter how big it is, I
24:22
feel like we always kind of do the same.
24:24
Like we're always like very happy to play our songs in any
24:27
kind of room. Honestly, I think they've been
24:30
working out because we just, we opened up for Gaslight on that
24:33
tour and those are some pretty big rooms and it was super fun
24:38
to play our songs there. They sounded just as good as
24:40
they did in the tiny room. So I feel like it'll be good.
24:43
Like, I don't know, how do you think about that?
24:45
We're excited because like whenever, you know, like
24:48
whenever we write new music and put out new music, there is that
24:52
entire sequence of events has happened and like, and then
24:56
what's next is all right, now we have to play it live.
24:59
I get really excited about doing things that are specific to like
25:03
a live version of this song. So it's just like, you only
25:07
really get this version of this song if you come to a show, you
25:11
know? And I also really love when like
25:13
artists do that in general. Where they either it's like a
25:17
really cool intro or they just like break up the song to like
25:21
put something in the middle or like just anything unexpected or
25:25
even like sometimes like artists will just do something like
25:29
completely different for like the same songs.
25:32
Yeah, Foo Fighters. They play like one song for like
25:34
15 minutes just because they're like fucking around.
25:38
That question reminded me of just a couple days ago.
25:41
Myron and I went to go see my Chem at MetLife Stadium and
25:46
Thursday opened for that set. And in their set, they I think
25:50
they typically play this, but they they play the song called
25:52
the song brought to you by a falling bomb.
25:56
And it's like it's just like the it's like a just a piano and
25:59
vocal song and the piano is playing over the track.
26:01
Like to think that in this huge stadium for Thursday to be
26:06
playing like their they're they're like crazy metal 4 set
26:10
to just kind of just dip into this like, you know, the
26:14
instrumentalist walk off stage. It's just Jeff and his Mike such
26:19
like. Like on his knees.
26:20
On his knees, it felt so intimate even though he was like
26:23
10 miles away to, you know, to see their, their range, their
26:28
their songwriting. Because we had just seen the we
26:31
had just seen them at autobahr perform the same song.
26:34
Like 2 days prior. Yeah, we also watched them a
26:35
couple days prior to that. But to see them pull off such a
26:40
diverse, you know, a display of, of, of instrumental and like
26:44
vocal emotion in a span of like, you know, 10 minutes is, you
26:49
know, that's inspiring. You know, just to know that we,
26:52
we've actually kind of done some, you know, we kind of
26:54
actually now I think about it on our very first tour.
26:57
A treat. Play in a breath, which is just
27:00
vocals and piano. So I guess we're I completely
27:03
forgot that we're not actual strangers to that.
27:04
But it's just one of those things where it's like, wow,
27:06
like a quiet song. I at least personally will
27:08
always hit in the middle of something that's so heavy, like
27:11
late, like some of the set like Thursdays where it's like heavy
27:15
emotionally. That's wild.
27:16
I'm so stoked that my Cameron and Thursday, who are bands that
27:21
I saw in tiny clubs, struggle to draw.
27:23
Anyone have had this? Incredible blow up and and
27:28
prompts to Mike him for taking Thursday with them right.
27:31
They're they're state homies and that's so cool as we wind this
27:36
down and I want to give you back your time.
27:39
So we got the record coming out soon on Hopeless Records and
27:41
what out? What else is going on that you
27:43
can talk about touring? Anything else fun and big in the
27:48
horizon you want to share? Yeah, I mean, so we have a we
27:52
have a fall tour coming up in October, the Earthkeeper tour.
27:56
It's going to be like our second big headliner ever.
27:59
Like it's going to be like kind of like Love Me Forever, you
28:02
know, that first headliner after the album.
28:03
It's going to be like that, except for this album.
28:05
And we're doing it all across the US and Toronto and we're
28:11
going to be putting out new music sooner than you think.
28:14
We're playing CBG Beast Fest in New York, which is exciting.
28:17
I'm excited for that. It's very, it's an honor to be
28:20
asked to do something like that Some so to see the other bands
28:24
there. And yeah, we're gonna, we're
28:26
gonna be kicking it back into high gear with shows, shows and
28:29
music Like we're back, we're back.
28:32
Pink Shift is back. Yeah, I love.
28:34
It. You know, that's so cool.
28:37
I grew up in New York, so I went to CBGB's a lot, and I'm kind of
28:41
bummed and surprised it was allowed to kind of go out of
28:43
existence. But I think this festival is
28:45
gonna be killer, and there's a lot of cool stuff happening in
28:48
the city around it. So, you know, I hope New York
28:51
treats you all well. I always like to end these, as,
28:54
you know, with a wild card question.
28:56
And so it's summertime, and I always think about movies.
28:58
So do you have a recent favorite movie you've seen?
29:01
Could be at the theater, could be at home, could be a comfort
29:04
movie. What's the best movie you saw
29:06
recently? I saw Sinners a few weeks ago.
29:09
Ironically, right after this I'm going to see the movie Weapons
29:15
Weapons. I want to see what happens.
29:17
I was going to say tenors. I saw that recently too.
29:20
I've. Been seeing.
29:21
Anything. I've only been seeing things
29:23
because like one of my friends, she's been having, they've been
29:26
having like movie nights and now like my other friend works at
29:31
like a movie theater like nearby.
29:33
And he was like, oh, we could just go to the theater and like
29:36
watch it. And I'm just like, oh shit, I'm
29:38
excited. I don't know anything about
29:39
weapons yet. I just know that people are just
29:41
like, whoa. But Sinners was cool.
29:43
Sinners is incredible soundtrack is coming out in September.
29:46
I'm super excited about that and apparently I was told weapons is
29:50
great and to go in cold not look up anything.
29:52
Don't watch a trailer, just go. I've only seen the trailer so
29:56
but I'm I'm stoked to go check it out hopefully this week.
29:59
So all good. Hopefully on tour you can watch
30:02
some stuff. Ashrina.
30:03
Yeah, I watch. On your shows and movies.
30:06
I watched Big Fat Liar recently. Like again, it's just a classic.
30:11
It's a good movie. No, it's the guy from Malcolm in
30:15
the Middle. Oh, big daddy, big daddy.
30:20
He turns the guy blue. The guy's a skin blue.
30:23
It's a really funny. Movie.
30:25
Freaky Mutos. Yeah, yeah, it's.
30:30
Well, listen, best of luck. Congratulations on everything.
30:33
I am again not supposed to have favorites, but I'm so proud of
30:36
you all collectively for this new record.
30:38
And again, shout out to hopeless and and the PR for doing a great
30:42
job. Adam Splitter PR and everybody
30:43
putting us together. Great to see you again.
30:45
Hopefully next time at a show and be safe on the road.
30:49
Whatever you do, air tags and whatever you got to do for the
30:51
gear. And yeah, we'll do it again
30:54
sometime. Congratulations on this banger
30:56
record. Awesome.
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Thank you so much. Thanks.
30:59
Anytime. Yeah, anytime.
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Thanks for hanging out with us. We'll see you soon.
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See ya.