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132. [Texas] Angela Samota · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Okay, everyone, welcome to Blessed This Mess and the true
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back this week and we are going to.
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  Speaker 2: Texas, deep in the heart.
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  Speaker 1: The Lone Star States. Do we were back in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: We went to Louisiana last week and got some good
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  Speaker 1: old Cajun food and freaking terrible weather.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was kept us inside.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we couldn't even like enjoy going outside or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then we come back here and it's freaking eleven
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  Speaker 1: degrees for God's sakes, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wendy in Louisiana. I thought we were
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  Speaker 2: in Midland still.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, the wind was so bad it was
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  Speaker 1: like being here in Midland. So I prompt on the
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  Speaker 1: way back from driving back, I booked us a trip
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  Speaker 1: down to Corpus Christi in March to get some hopefully
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  Speaker 1: warmer weather.
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  Speaker 2: I think it all happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we're going on our cruise to we're
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  Speaker 1: cruise people know, Oh God, I know, I hate us too. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so we went to Louisiana last week and
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  Speaker 1: we had a good time. So that's why we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have an episode last week because we.
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  Speaker 2: Were we were out visiting family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then so we'll have an episode this week
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll hopefully have or we should we will
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  Speaker 1: have one. I'm not gonna say hopefully we will have
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  Speaker 1: one in two weeks time. We're gonna try every other
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  Speaker 1: week for now because we're again what we are going
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  Speaker 1: to do every other week anyways, So I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: thank everybody on Patreon. Will really appreciate your support. And then, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the TikTok is back stew. The TikTok is back in
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  Speaker 1: the app store, so I was able to download it again,
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  Speaker 1: so I can now start putting stuff out on the
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  Speaker 1: the TikTok for Yeah. Yeah, what's crazy is like I
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  Speaker 1: we were still getting the emails about TikTok, but we
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  Speaker 1: couldn't actually, yeah, so now it's back. So now I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start posting stuff I think I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 1: So I did. I shared my thoughts on the first
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  Speaker 1: episode of the John Benney Ramsey documentary. But they have
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  Speaker 1: the new Gabby Potito documentary on Netflix, and I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do that one share my thoughts per episode.
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  Speaker 1: But you only like TikTok's like short like it's like
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  Speaker 1: a minute and a half, so you just have to
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  Speaker 1: like cram everything in there. But I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: supporting us. Do you have anything else to adds?
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  Speaker 2: Do I do not?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, If we have anything else to add, we'll
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  Speaker 1: add it at the end. Whenever people don't get angry
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  Speaker 1: that we share our personal lives on this episode. Ste
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  Speaker 1: Why are you always rolling your freaking eyes at me?
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  Speaker 1: It's so annoying because what.
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  Speaker 2: Do your comments are? Iroll worthy?
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  Speaker 1: You're an eye roll worthy. You're nothing but a big
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  Speaker 1: eye roll. I've been rolling my eyes for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you bought the ticket. Enjoy the ride.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not enjoying it right now. I want to take
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  Speaker 1: I want to take a stick and throw it in
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  Speaker 1: the on the tracks and just derail this ride and
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. Enjoy the as we crash down into
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  Speaker 1: the abyss.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm gonna flip this marriage like they flip that
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  Speaker 2: airplane in Toronto the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, just upside down. Yeah, I'm really starting to get.
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  Speaker 1: I used to not be one of these people that
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  Speaker 1: I flew all the time. Like if some of you
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  Speaker 1: guys don't know, I flew for work. So I would
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  Speaker 1: rotate so for my work, so I would leave for
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  Speaker 1: like two, three four weeks at a time, and so
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  Speaker 1: I'd have to fly like sometimes to other a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times, other countries and everything like that. So I
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  Speaker 1: flew all the time, like what seven twelve times, I
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  Speaker 1: mean two or three times a month sometimes anyways, but
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  Speaker 1: why are you looking at me like that? It okay,
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  Speaker 1: and you are silly, So you're silly. Anyways, I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: starting to get I used to think those people that
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  Speaker 1: were scared of I'm like, whatever, it's it's more dangerous
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  Speaker 1: to get in your car, which it is. But now
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  Speaker 1: I'm starting I'm like, man, maybe it's not such a
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  Speaker 1: great idea. You know, that's fine, Okay, anyway, we're not
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  Speaker 1: flying anywhere anytimes. We just got back from Europe and whatever,
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  Speaker 1: so we're off the flying train right now.
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  Speaker 2: Flying train.
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get into this week's case out of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: These cars, I was just about to start. Anyways, I
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  Speaker 1: had to take a break and go put my glasses on. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I was having contact issues. I also have other contact issues.
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  Speaker 2: What contact issues are those?
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  Speaker 1: Contact with you?
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  Speaker 2: You want to have some contact with all later?
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  Speaker 1: No, what's wrong with you? Okay, the car has stopped outside.
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  Speaker 1: I hate this neighborhood anyways. Angela Marie Somoto Samota Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Angela Marie Simota was born September nineteenth, nineteen sixty four,
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  Speaker 1: in Alameda, California, to Frank and Betty Ruth Motive. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She was the youngest of five children's do growing up
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  Speaker 1: in Amarillo, Texas. Now Angie would attend a boarding school.
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  Speaker 1: I believe she boarded at this school like they send
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  Speaker 1: her off because live there, Yes, because Amarillo is a
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  Speaker 1: long ways from Dallas to Texas is a big place.
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  Speaker 1: I mean people may not realize this, but it's huge.
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  Speaker 1: Like it takes forever to drive across and Amrello's like, yes, wait,
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  Speaker 1: where's Amarillo. It's up north of us. Yes, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Way out there across in the Louisiana or from Louisiana
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  Speaker 2: to Texas. Yeah, And as soon as across the state line,
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  Speaker 2: it says, I'll pass eight hundred and eighty miles away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you want to cry. Whenever you're going
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  Speaker 1: you're actually leaving Louisiana and you're going to Midland, and
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  Speaker 1: it's exit, so it starts whenever you start out. You're
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  Speaker 1: at like exit like eight hundred and something, and you
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  Speaker 1: in Midland is like exit one for two. So it's
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  Speaker 1: real depressing anyway. So she he's attending this school in
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  Speaker 1: Dallas and it's a very prestigious all girls private school
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  Speaker 1: called Hawkaday Academies. Do Now I'm not really sure.
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  Speaker 2: Went Steward nothing nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how they came across there or
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  Speaker 1: how they had like a bunch of money. This family,
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  Speaker 1: the dad was in the military, but he actually died
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  Speaker 1: when she went. Her name was Angela, but she went
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  Speaker 1: by Angie. He actually died when she was like a
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  Speaker 1: year old. So I don't know if the mom remarried
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  Speaker 1: and there was somebody with money or whatever, because this
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  Speaker 1: school was very expensive, Like I looked up the pricing.
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  Speaker 1: So right now the Hockaday School, Hackaday Academy or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and Dallas is still doing boarding option, but they're stopping
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. But the tuition per year currently.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how much you think, twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Five thousand, thirty three thousand dollars a year, it's the
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  Speaker 1: third most expensive school, like private school in Dallas. That's insane,
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  Speaker 1: thirty three thousand dollars. And so I'm sure she's not
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  Speaker 1: the only they had five children. I'm sure she's not
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  Speaker 1: the only one that went to like like the private
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  Speaker 1: school or whatever. So I don't really know how they had,
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  Speaker 1: like money, but they had obviously had some money or something.
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  Speaker 1: And I knew they had money because after she graduated
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  Speaker 1: from the Hawkaday Academy, she went to Southern Methodist University
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  Speaker 1: in Dallas SMU. And from I know from going to
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  Speaker 1: school from high school, that was like the rich kids
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  Speaker 1: school because it's a private university. So all the rich
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  Speaker 1: kids went to like so the kind of rich kids
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  Speaker 1: went to Baylor, but the really rich kids went to
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  Speaker 1: SMUs Doo.
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  Speaker 2: And went to Neither.
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  Speaker 1: I went to Neither. No jokes on them, bitches, though here.
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  Speaker 2: You are here one podcast in this house.
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  Speaker 1: Number one podcast in Midland, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Probably well let's just say in our house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we might have Midland covered though, I
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  Speaker 1: think we might have done it. Anyways, So she went
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  Speaker 1: to SMU so they had they had some money, because
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  Speaker 1: that's not a cheap school either, even back in like
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  Speaker 1: the it was with the eighties when she attended. So
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  Speaker 1: Angie was pretty smart driven. She her friend said, she
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  Speaker 1: lit up a room, which is not good for your
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  Speaker 1: survival rate in a dateline episode. And she was just
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  Speaker 1: full of life, she said. They said, she just like
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  Speaker 1: walked in and everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Was she lit up a room and she was full
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  Speaker 2: of life.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she was very pretty though, so she attracted a
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  Speaker 1: lot of attention to herself. Now, Angie was, like I said, intelligent,
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  Speaker 1: and she had really big career aspirations. She was actually
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  Speaker 1: a double major in electrical engineering and computer science, which
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  Speaker 1: was huge back then, like in nineteen eighties to do
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  Speaker 1: computer science right, like you were on the CUSP.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're one top one percent way journal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So in college like said Angie, she would attract attention
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  Speaker 1: from many men. They were always asking her out, sending
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  Speaker 1: her flowers because, like I said, she was real pretty
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  Speaker 1: girl and everything. And she would end up dating an
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  Speaker 1: older man named Ben McCall and he was a construction
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  Speaker 1: supervisor in Dallas. So he was already graduated from college
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  Speaker 1: and I think he had like a construction engineering or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, and he was working doing.
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  Speaker 2: That power couple, yes, power future power kind of like us.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, someone's not, someone's not.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody's riding in it. I'm okay with that.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's the rider, Yes, cracking the whip. No, I I
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  Speaker 1: was looking. I look. I think I took a picture
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  Speaker 1: of I was updating the instrance the other day and
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  Speaker 1: I think I took a picture of all you and
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  Speaker 1: I said, look at all these leeches, because it was
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  Speaker 1: you and the three children. I was like, look at
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  Speaker 1: all these just sucking me dry. Anyways, So yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: she's she's off at college doing great, got big plans
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  Speaker 1: for her life. Just everything men throw on themselves, yes,
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  Speaker 1: just life is at her doorstep.
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  Speaker 2: On October twelfth, nineteen eighty four, Angie went out with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of friends. One of her friends was a
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  Speaker 2: lady by the name of Anita, and the other one
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  Speaker 2: was a new male friend, Russell Buchanan Ben, who was
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  Speaker 2: Angie's boyfriend. He didn't seem to mind if she went
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  Speaker 2: out solo with friends.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's an older, established man. Yes, he is confident
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  Speaker 1: in himself.
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  Speaker 2: He'll find another one. Yes, if she leaves me, oh well,
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  Speaker 2: and my first road in might not be my last one.
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  Speaker 2: So he don't seem too concerned about her going out.
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  Speaker 1: No, so they go out.
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  Speaker 2: They went to the State Fair of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the.
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  Speaker 2: Name of it.
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  Speaker 1: They got that big old statue of their texts.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever is the special name State Fair of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Stuart, that's all you need.
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  Speaker 2: To know things now that I'm a text.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you're a Texan.
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  Speaker 2: And then they ended up at a dance club called
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  Speaker 2: the Rio Room.
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  Speaker 1: Which I did look up. I don't think the Rio
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  Speaker 1: Room that she went to is still open. But there
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  Speaker 1: is a new Rio Room, I believe, and it is
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  Speaker 1: very happening place. Apparently Playboy named it something or another,
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  Speaker 1: and they have which Playboy doesn't even show the naked
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  Speaker 1: girls anymore. So, oh they did. They were like that
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  Speaker 1: was so stupid. I'm sorry. Just be who you are, Playboy.
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  Speaker 1: Just be for the articles. Well, anyways, there was an
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  Speaker 1: article about the Rio Room.
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  Speaker 2: Just put a bunch of articles in Playboy, and we
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  Speaker 2: ought to make money.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so anyways, but I don't think that when she
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  Speaker 1: went to is currently. I think it was long since closed.
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  Speaker 1: But there is a new Rio Room.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that checking the going there.
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  Speaker 1: We should not. This is late for me being at
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  Speaker 1: home drinking a glass of wine at eleven fifteen at night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling this is late. So I don't think me
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  Speaker 1: and the Rio Room are really in sync.
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  Speaker 2: And the children, you know, they'll bring the children. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta daycare and drop the kids off while we party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that should be a plate. That should be a thing. Dude, No,
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Bring your kids to the club.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the clurb, in the clurb, we all we
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  Speaker 1: all family. Have you ever seen that thing? No? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a TikTok thing in the clurb? I okay, going, yes,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Someone else there's laughing.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody might be, but I don't even know what the
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  Speaker 2: hell you're talking about. Now, everything seemed normal. Angie was
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  Speaker 2: a very social person. She knew a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: in the club, the clurb as you would say, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what that means. They stayed until after midnight,
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  Speaker 2: and Angie drove Russell and Anita to their individual respective home.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she should have been driving though,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know I was drink. I don't know, But Stuart,
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  Speaker 1: it was the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: It was sanctioned back then. It was okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was okay back then.
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  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was allowed, it was not frowned upon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Angie then headed to Ben's apartment for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: because to visit him.
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  Speaker 1: She missed him.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'm not no if I go out without
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  Speaker 2: you or whatever and we're not living.
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  Speaker 1: She went a little. Maybe she'd been drinking. Maybe she
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: wanted a little something, so something. Yeah, maybe she's stipping. No,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want to pickle tickle. He might have wanted one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe he's like, come on over anyways, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, it's after midnight.
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  Speaker 1: They're young, Stewart, Jesus Christ, you're a young man. Who
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  Speaker 1: he's not that old. He's like three or forty years
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  Speaker 1: older than her.
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  Speaker 2: Older gentleman Jesus. Yeah, So she goes there, but then
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  Speaker 2: she leaves to go to her apartment and she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: take long, No, it doesn't normally. And then she calls
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  Speaker 2: him at around one forty five am and she's telling
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  Speaker 2: him that there is a man in her apartment and
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  Speaker 2: that he needed to use the phone and her bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is a different again, like we said with
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  Speaker 1: the drinking and driving. Potentially, we're not trying to defame her,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a different time. People were a trusting,
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  Speaker 1: a trusting people at this time, you know, a little
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  Speaker 1: more trusting. I mean, we have seen Ted Bundy at
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  Speaker 1: this point though, So we need to get our shit together.
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  Speaker 2: But who's answer in their door at that? Damn? Tom?
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  Speaker 1: And I well, maybe come on in, I guess if so,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: maybe she'd been drinking. Maybe she walked in she's like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, or she just was trying to be a
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  Speaker 1: people pleaser, so she's like, yeah, you can come in.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't feel comfortable with it. We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But what happen was there was a mazing So she
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  Speaker 1: called Ben because she seems like she was uncomfortable with
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  Speaker 1: the man a little bit. Yeah, after, maybe after she
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  Speaker 1: did it, She's like, what was I thinking? This was
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  Speaker 1: not a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: Let me call him, my boyfriend, tell him what I did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: tell them what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just feel better if someone's on
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  Speaker 1: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you have called me many times thinking I was
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  Speaker 2: going to make the murderer go. Yes, the imagine murder
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  Speaker 2: that was stalking you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I've been in some sketchy situations to it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well you call me from left and you said
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  Speaker 2: there was nobody there and you had all the lights
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  Speaker 2: on and you were calling me and you couldn't go to.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, let me tell you what. If I'm ever
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: home by myself, I used to just have to keep
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  Speaker 1: I don't know when the last time I've been home.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been at home by the with the children
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  Speaker 1: by myself overnight, have.
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  Speaker 2: I Yes, when I've been at work overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, anyways, I leave everything. I'm so stressed out. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we're on the verge of certain death, and
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  Speaker 1: so I've I get I turn every single light on
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  Speaker 1: in the house. I stay in the front room, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm on edge the entire time, like I am for
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  Speaker 1: sure someone's breaking in to kill us that night, I
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  Speaker 1: think I've chilled out, maybe a little bit, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not It's rare that I'm here by myself. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm home alone, it's all the lights are on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the front room. I'm listening to every little noise,
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  Speaker 1: especially now if if that ever happened to me. Now
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: we don't have any dogs, do like, what would I do?
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  Speaker 1: But the dogs aren't good though, because the dogs used
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  Speaker 1: to just read my energy and then they would bark
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  Speaker 1: it everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they'd just run around tapping.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And then I'd call you and be like, oh my god.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: The dogs are freaking out.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: The dogs are freaking out. We're gonna be murdered. Anyways,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: but I don't know where this came.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Where we were, Oh Angie was letting somebody in our house.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah at yep.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Angie says that she has to go tell
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: us Ben because the guy I needed to use the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: phone and I'll call you back. Ben waited, but he
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: didn't hear back from Angie, so he called her. No answer,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: so he gets concerned. He heads over to her apartment.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: He knocks on the door, but there was no response.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: The door was locked. Everything seemed normal, but Angie should
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: have answered the door. Now, he actually had a cell
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: phone in nineteen eighty.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Four, which big timing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you talked five hours a minute back then using
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the brick.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I did type on the thing some sort of cell
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: phone because like a cell phone, like, because it's not
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: what we think of a cell phone today at all.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: That It was probably the brick. Yeah, in the car, No,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that big handheld.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I remember the one they had in the car.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a bag phone.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh okay different, Yes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: That was in the nineties. I think the bag phones
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: came out, and they were late eighties, early mid to
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: mid nineties, some bag phones. So he's got a cell
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: phone or whatever they called it back then, and he
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: calls nine to one one.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Actually he had to call information and they it was
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: one of those types of phones.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, he had to call the.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to call information and then they ping
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you through to whoever.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Ah, so.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's whatever. I guess it could only call information
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and then or whatever how whatever it is.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It would have been nice if somebody told me that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: before reading what was written. Now on the nine one
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: one call, you can hear Ben tell the operator that,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and she was not answering her door, and he didn't
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: know if it was because she could not or would not,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: because he obviously was not able to talk to her.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I found that odd a little bit because
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: how he said she she couldn't or she wouldn't, Like
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: did they have a little tiff on the phone at
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the time, because he's saying she wouldn't answer the door,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: like maybe she wouldn't answer because he was there, But
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: then his others thought is like she couldn't, And I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's because of the fact that there was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: like a man in her apartment. He's concerned. He's obviously concerned.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: He went over there right away after they hung up
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: when he couldn't get a hold of her. So because
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he's gone over there like so quickly after they spoke
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and he couldn't get a hold of her, the police
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: actually arrived at the scene around two seventeen am, So
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that's like within thirty minutes of him talking to her,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and they have to actually break through the door because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: they can't get in. I guess they was too late
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to get to the super or whoever to open it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It did not take them long to find twenty year
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: old Angie Simoda deceased on the bed. Now, she was
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: naked and there was blood everywhere, and autopsy would later
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: reveal that she had been raped and repeatedly stabbed and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: then she finally died from wounds to the heart. Now,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: they looked for signs of forced entry, but there were everything.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Like the boyfriend said, everything looked very normal from the outside.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Now during the search for Angie, was actually waiting in
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the living room and because he goes in with the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: police and they came out and they told Ben that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Angie was dead. Now, when they told him this, he
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: didn't really ask any questions about, you know, like how
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she died, did she get shot, what happened to her?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god, not her. I got a little hugger.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing. He just I mean I would think I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: would be asking some questions like how did she die
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, but he was just They just
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: found his whole demeanor and everything just odd. Everything just
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: seemed off to him. And they noticed that he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: very clean, like smelled freshly showered, smelled like soap and everything.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And then he had a like crisp shirt and pants on,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like they were not normal things you'd be wearing at
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning when you're going to checking
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend. I mean, most people just have whatever pajamas
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: or whatever, I'm sure and hop in the car. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the whole thing they just seemed it just seemed odd
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to the police that were on the scene. And then
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: he didn't seem frantic in his nine one one call either.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Whenever they listened back, it was just calm. He was saying, I,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like I couldn't she couldn't or wouldn't answer
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the phone. And you think if there was a he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: knew there was a strange man in her apartment and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: now I can't get a hold of her, he'd be
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit more frantic, going, oh my god, my
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: girlfriend had a strange man in her apartment and now
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I can't get a hold of her. Can someone please
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: come check on her? None of that. So they bring
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Ben in for questioning and he walks them through that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: evening and they realized that he's actually the last one
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to have seen her alive. He tells them about the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: phone call as well as the man in the apartment.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And the issue is, though, is that there's no way
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to verify any of this because there's no phone records
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: really that show the calls. I guess back then they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: didn't keep phone records on landlines.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was not you were alive, I wasn't out.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I was not a dayline crime solving sleuth that knew things.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Well. I guess they didn't. I guess not every play
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: every company kept phone call records at that point. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: guess that technology wasn't there. I guess you wouldn't even
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: know where to store all that data or whatever. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they just didn't have anything to show that those phone
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: calls occurred or anything like that. So all they could
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: go off and was Ben was telling them and they
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: weren't so sure he was actually telling the truth.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: That's true because back then we can still make crank calls.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So Ben is definitely on the suspect list at the moment.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So they did take some samples from Ben that they
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: because they were because Angie was rape They did do
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a rape kit on her, so they were able to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: take semen samples from her, and they will do some comparisons.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: They have that store where they can run some comparisons
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and see what they can find, because at the time
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they couldn't do DNA they couldn't do DNA, they could
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: just do the secretor non secret thing. So the non
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: secretor is eighty percent of the population. It's basically where
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you deposit your or eighty percent. It's like they don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: secrete their blood type in their semen and then secretor.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I think I could be wrong on this, but I
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: know it's eighty percent is non secretor and twenty percent
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: is secret. So that's all they can really compare to.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So they did take a sample from him, and they'll
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: run that to see if they can rule him out
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: or rule him in.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But they can't even really tell if it's him, because.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: No, they can't. But they can they can at least
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: say he in which group? Is he in? Which group?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: That is that you can you could rule him out
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: based on that group.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Another person on the police's radar was an ex boyfriend
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: from Amarilla, Texas. He was known to have a temper.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: He even pulled a knife on Angie once and he
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: destroyed some of her clothing with said knife.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he just kind of went crazy and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: just like slashed at her clothes in her closet.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know what that argument was a moment
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like she was leaving him, or he didn't want to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: go to the restaurant she.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Picked, or she ate the last peanut butter.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean where was his temper on a scale
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: of one.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: To ten, I mean, okay, well, none of it, none
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of nothing that she had done. It's is uh causes
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: for a knife to be pulled Stewart, Well, I just.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Want to know how quick his temper was, is all
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm not saying that she deserved to have
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a knife pulled on her. I just want to know
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: how quick he want.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: People are going to pull that out and just really
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: go at you in the reviews.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: They're going to cut that snippet out. Yes, no context whatsoever.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I might even do it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Got you a what you call it an alias thing
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that you're going to drop a.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: He said that the woman deserves.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: A knife pulled on I never did say that, your honor.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I have the recording. I'd like to you'd be like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you're on I'd like to play the full episode, suit
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: see and he'd been scrubbed from them from the internet. No,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I would have Yes, you have no access to this.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to play the entire episode. You're gonna
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: have to sit there and listen to your own episode
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to jail.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about that, he said, because he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: was talking about his chair squeaks sometimes. And I said,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I said, we don't. I don't know if your chair
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: squeaks or whatever. He's like, yeah, because we don't listen
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to our own episode. I'm like, no, I'm not going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: back to listen, like, uh, petrifying.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Sure, I guess if that's the one you want to use.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is It's just as the youths at the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: utes would say, Stu, it's cringe.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: What was the.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Stewart? Is that the skit from the movie.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, excuse me, your honor the youths.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Anyways, anyway, No, Stewart is not saying that that that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he had any reason to pull in There's no reason
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to pull a knife on a woman. No, you're cutting
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a tomato.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: For I just want to know how short the temper is,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: unless you got to cut the stockings from her wrist
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: because she likes to be tied up, or what he's.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Wrong with you? That is in no way any type
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of thing on us. Oh my god, oh no, don't
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: even say that. What is wrong with you?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So you don't like to be tied up.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Stop?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you just finish your part?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, they talk to him, Police talk to him. We
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: have no name because he's innocent.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: His name's Lance. Yes, we do have a name.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't have a name, nobody.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: He's not completely innocent.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: If he put the knife on her, well he's innocent
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and the murder of her.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Anyways, But he had a solid alibi.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was almost four hundred miles away in a Mailla.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: He handed over samples of his blood to run against
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the samples they were able to take from Angie's right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Don't know if it was blood, I think they I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: don't know what this the test is. I don't know
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: if it's semen or blood, I thought. Because they need
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to see this, No, they need to see if he's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a secret or non secret. So they have to test
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the semen and see if you can pull.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh that's odd. Here's a magazine. Can you go
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: in there and give us a sample.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Here's a magazine and a knife and a video tape. Anyways,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: so they can. They continue to talk to friends and family,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and they retrace Angie's movements that night. I see how
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it cuts do off before it continued on that path.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Now they learned about Russell, who had went out with them,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and they speak to him, and he was another little
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: odd duck. There's a whole bunch of odd ducks in this.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: He seemed to know nothing of the murder, despite being
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: having gone out with Angie, despite being being a huge
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: story in Dallas. He knows, I mean, there's not obviously
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: not Facebook.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Like he's like, yeah, I was this girl. I got
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to ride home from her.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But it just seems he didn't go to his Facebook
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and go, oh my god.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: No. But the police police found it a little bit
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: odd because it was a huge story in Dallas. He
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: had just been with this girl the night of and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: he and he didn't know anything about it. And then
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: on top of that, according to Anita, the girl that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: went out there, they she felt that they were not
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: completely platonic. He says that they were just a platonic relationship.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in Angie at all. But Anita felt
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like she was kind of the cover story for them
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to be able to go out together because she felt
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like they were kind of flirty and stiff. Yes, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so police are like, okay, well we got Anita saying,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you guys were pretty close that night and almost seemed
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like she was the cover up. And now you're saying,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even know this girl. I had no interest
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in her, I didn't care about her. I had no
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: clue she was dead. I don't read the news, like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell, and so it seems really weird. So
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he tells police that he was at home the whole
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: night after Angie dropped him off, but he had no
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: one that can confirm this. He was home alone, is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: late at night. Nobody saw him. Now he did give
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: them a sample, I believe semen to compare. I guess
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there's someone out here there that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: listens that's a forensic scientist and.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: They somebody research this.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe you should have. Anyway, he gives a sample
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to compare to the one that they had from Angie,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and at this point police now have three pretty solid suspects.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: The police get the lab to run the three samples
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that they collected. They were able to rule out two
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of the individuals. Dun Dun dun all rustled. The love
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: muscle was not ruled out as a suspect, so he
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: went to the top of the list number one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ben and so Lance, Lance, Ben and Lance.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So this sample came back and they it was for
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: a non secretor, which is eighty percent of the population,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: which is large male population. And Lance and Ben were
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: lucky enough to be in that twenty percent that were secrets.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So they lucked out really like a lot because I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: mean the odds of them being in the other group
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: were higher.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So they don't have to go in there for interrogation
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and all that. Yess. So police start to paint a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: picture that Russell, who lived nearby, must have gone to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Angie's apartment trying to progress their relationship to be more
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: than just friends. She led him into the apartment and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: when she rebuffed his advance, as he snapped.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because with the with the no forced entry, they're
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: looking at like, okay, she let somebody in in her home.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But then we also have the boyfriend though that said
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: somebody was in her home to make a phone call
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom. Yes, so was she for
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: their thinking, was she covering from Russell and didn't want it?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe her boyfriend didn't actually know of that. Russell had
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: gone out with them. We don't know any of that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's an odd situation.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Just some college students.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, being college students make some sketchy shit.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: They did sketchy shit, then I'm sure they're doing sketchy
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: shit now. So anyway, they theorized that she led him
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: into the apartment, he snaps because she won't whatever he
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: wants to do. Yeah, and they had him take a polygraph,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: which they initially said he passed, but then they later
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: came back and said that he.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Failed it, which is sketchy also.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Well, because police can lie about such things. What do
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you mean, They can be like, oh, you failed it?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Did you know you failed it? To try and make
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the guy nervouson.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: No, they came out with the results and they said
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: they read the results the first time and they said
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: he passed it, and then after they went back and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: relooked at it and they said, oh, actually you felt it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So that's not telling just him telling the public telling everybody.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like a oh we're going to trick you thing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They're just like it was a little bit sketchy on
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the police's behalf that you can say he passed it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and then say he didn't pass it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can do all kinds of weird show with
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the polygraph. So I'll take a polygraph.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know our stance on it, just be sketchy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, he will take a polygraph. So something he's hiding something. Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: he's hiding covering his ass is what he's doing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Or you make some ship up because it's all made up.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: It is. Now, after about six months and almost weekly interviews,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Russell did finally hire an attorney and he stopped talking
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to the police. He then left the country a few
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: months later, and that was it. The case went cold.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: That was it. That Russell's like that few motherfuckers.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what country he went to or whatever,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: but I guess maybe he had like some plans or something.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'll play had a job lined up.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'd be about twenty years before any movement
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: on the case occurred. Now, Angie had a good friend
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: from back in that time named Sheila, and she became
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: interested in the case again. She said she was at
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: her like Bible study or something like that. I don't know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and she felt like Angie's presence, So she just felt
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this like push, like I need to I need to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: do something about this. So she starts pestering the Dallas
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Police Department and asking what they were doing about the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: case and everything, but apparently which this is. I find
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: this completely shocking. So she's the youngest of five children.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: No they telled her no one had asked for them
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to reopen or called and asked for a status update
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: about the case in twenty years and so this the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: entire time. So she was murdered in nineteen eighty four
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and this is two thousand and four, not one person.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Because we all know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So if you have a missing child or a family
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: member that was murdered or something, you have to go
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and get out to the media. You have to call
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the police. You have to be on their back or
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna move on to the next person. It's unfortunate,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: but that's just the way it is. They got too many,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: especially in Dallas. I'm sure they've got homicides every week,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So you have to be pestering them to be able
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to get your case pushed to the top, especially a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: cold case. So yeah, I find that crazy that she.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Had, well even just getting them to go look for you,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: like and whenever you turn up missing and they're like, yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: You have to and then if you don't, if the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: family doesn't push, then they're not going to do anything.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's been many instances where the family
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: has just been like in the news every day, getting
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: on the news, putting out flyers, getting search parties together,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and then the place are like, shit, this isn't the news.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We've got to go do.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We got to do something. This looks really bad on us.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was kind of crazy that she had
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: all those siblings and everything, and like her dad passed away,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but I looked her mom passed away in twenty twenty one,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: so her mom was still alive at the time. Everything.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on with that. You know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they had money though, they're kind of weird people with money.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: You're just making generalization, Yes.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I am. So nothing really happened when she started calling
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Police Department. But she just could not shake
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that Angie's case was solvable. And she's like, she's just
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: had this push that she needed to do something about it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So she ends up she's living in Tennessee. She goes
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and gets her private investigator's license because she thinks maybe
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: she could learn more about in crime investigations things like
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that that might help, and then also hoping that the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Dallas Police Department will take her more seriously if she
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: says I'm a PI, I'm looking in this case. Well
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: she does this. Two years later, she keeps calling and stuff.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: They don't give two shits she's a PI or whatever.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Didn't do anybody help?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: No, she I think they said.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: She called, says private investigator.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah she does, she has a business card. But anyway,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: so I think she called fifty times the first month,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and then over the course of like a year, she
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: called seven hundred times to the police department, like basically,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just like I want you to reopen this. I need
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to talk to somebody. I need to find out who
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I can talk to. I need to take and so
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: finally she gets there like okay, bitch, I'm done with this.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I can't deal with you anymore. So they send her
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: off to the cold case detective. They're like, fine, we'll
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: give you her number or whatever, and so the cold
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: case detective she looks into this, and initially Sheila was
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: told that the the evidence from Angie's case was lost
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: in the Dallas floods. I don't know when the Dallas
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: floods were must have been a big ordeal. I didn't
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: look into it. I did look into the school, but
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I did not look into the Dallas floods. They like,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: we lost all the evidence and everything. So the cold
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: case detectives goes and looks back into the case files
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and she actually finds that sample from the rape kit
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and it's a viable sample.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: They shit, yeah, I got an easy one.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they're like, Okay, we can actually do something
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: about this, and Sheila said she offered to. She wanted
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to make sure they did this, so she was like,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I'll pay for it whatever you need me to do.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And they're like, we can't. You can't pay for it,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: which I think that's a shame. I think if you,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: if you're a if you can pull the resources and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you have a family member that's in a cold case
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and you can pay the money so that it can
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: go to other people and you can find the money
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to do it, then I think you should be able to.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you can get a fund together
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: and people haven't done that before.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: But they wouldn't know, they wouldn't take the money.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Not an individual payment, but as an organization you can collect.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's like process. Yeah, but for a specific person,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you can't just say I'll pay for the the testing
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, they do those charities where they're because
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: there's all these unprocessed rape kits in the country. It's
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: really bad, and so they'll do They're like, well, we'll
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: pay to just have the rape kits processed through a charity,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: but you can't do it as specific case.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: You cannot.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That is odd though, Yeah, I know, but which sucks
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: because someone else could. Obviously her family had money centered
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: all these expensive schools, but apparently they didn't care because
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: they didn't call about her.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: But if they did, lawyer, get better, cease and desist
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and pull your episode.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It's probably not that good of an episode anyways. It's fine,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: just don't pull the frog episode, not the product. So
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: uh but anyway, So, yeah, because they could have used
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: those resources to maybe somebody who didn't have if they
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: could have held, if they would have paid for it privately,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: then they could have used those funds in the police
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: department to pay for somebody else's cold case or something.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: They didn't have the funds but they probably would have
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: just embezzled it and used it on like something stupid
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: upon their podcast. Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, Angie's rape kit sample was
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: retested and it was entered into the CODA system. It
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: did get a hit.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It was not Russell, to everybody's shock. Yes, the Sheila
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Lady was very much certain that Russell had was a murder.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And he's just living. He was an architect, architecture, architect, architect, architect.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: He was into architecture and he was an architect, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I guess he had moved abroad to like study and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: then he'd move back to Dallas. He was very successful,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and she's just pissed that he's out there living his life.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, And but the best part is Russell doesn't even
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: know this.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: No, he's just like it's.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Not like she's calling him every day going you son
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of a bitch, I know you did it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said on this interview, He's like, I didn't
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: even know she was in the background trying to lock
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: me up. Unfazed. It's like those things where it's like
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: imagine hating hating on me on the internet. I'm just
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: over here, bacon cookies, like like I'm just over here
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: living my life, which I'm sure he had a cloud
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: over his head though, because he was a suspect and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: basically had to just be like, I'm done talking to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you guys, I'm not doing this anymore, and then the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: police just dropped it. But that whole persona of him
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: or reputation is that he potentially was a murder, which
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: thankfully for him, was back in the eighties and not
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: current time, because current time we would have just like
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: roasted him online. He would have been like black Sheep,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: not being social change his name. He'd never be allowed
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: in a neighborhood.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't know. I keep putting pedophiles around us
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and see him show up on the.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: He would have definitely had a wherever he went, there
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: would have been a trail on the Internet where you
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: would google his name and be like, oh, never mind, Russell,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you can't work here.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Oh Russell was innocent this whole time. I feel so bad.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Moving on, No nobody reads the corrections. I told somebody
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that at work it was like a young person and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they had no clue what the fuck I was talking about,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I said, because I was telling him something and something
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was wrong or whatever, and I was like, yeah, nobody
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: reads the corrections in the newspaper. And they're like.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: They literally looked at me like I was fucking like
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: making shit up, Like what the fuck are you not?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I guess young people don't know anything about a newspaper
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: or corrections.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: You know, got the story wrong. We had to come
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: in and correct it. It's on page A six instead
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: of page a one.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I was trying to And then I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: had to explain to him and they still were looking
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: at me like I was crazy, but they were like
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a gen z Yes.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Getting back to our story, Kara, it was not Ross.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's important.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: When I said it was Donald Andrew Bess Junior. God,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Donald Andrews Senior must be pissed. Donald was already serving
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: a life sentence in prison when they got the match.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Looking into Donald, they found out that he had been
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: convicted in nineteen seventy eight for aggravated assault and kidnapped
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: aggravated aggravated and had been sentenced to twenty five years
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: in prison. However, he had been released on parole and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: was out and free in nineteen eighty four when he
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: killed Angie.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: How in the fuck do you get twenty five years
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: in you know what?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking, Well that Texas used
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to be really bad about parole and people.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Well, no, that's what I was. We covered another case
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I can't remember when it was, and it was an
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: overcrowding situation and Texas released somebody due to overcrowding. And
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's like, let's not let's not release the rapist. Okay,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: let's let's release like the people on drug.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Charges jafers, drug charges.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, like the CYX offenses, didn't.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Pay your parking tickets? Will let you out?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Anything that didn't involve like raping or murdering another human
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: would be preferable.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: To Yes, not violent crimes.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, Donald was given a life sentence
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: out of Harris County for aggravated rape. So just in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a year later, Yes, a year after Angie's death, he
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: gets the aggravated rape, kidnapping, and sexual assault. Police now
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: speak to the now sixty one year old in prison,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and he denied any involvement and would never admit to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: what he had done to Angie.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was very clear that he had killed her,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: raped her.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Let's see it. Fright of a death sentence.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they know they've got this guy, They've got the DNA,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: he's a convicted rapist, he's in jail everything. So they
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: go to trial and they are able to find multiple women.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's good that they went to trial. Even
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: though he was in jail for life, they still wanted
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to pursue this conviction. So they find multiple women that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: testified that they had been raped by Donald in the past.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And then they also were able to get his ex wife,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and she testified that he was violent and abusive to both,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: abusive to both her and their children, and they divorced
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: just after three years. She was married for three years
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and had children with him. It's like now, Donald was
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: found guilty based on the DNA evidence and was sentenced
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to death. Now what sickening, though, is that I understand
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: defense attorneys have their job or whatever it is, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: this one has particular.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: We've got a review about it that I didn't understand
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: what the years ago somebody was like because I said
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that some of these defense attorneys are sleazy sons of bitches, and.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, this one was, okay, this one. At some point
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you're going to be like I've seen defense attorneys say,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they're not very if they go on these these these
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: date lines or forty hours or whatever, and they aren't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: very They're not that defensive about their client anymore. You know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: they're just kind of like, you know, we tried this,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: We tried that. This lady was like, well, we don't know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: maybe she had sex. To this day is like, maybe
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: we don't know, maybe he had she had sex with him.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: All we know is they had sex with each other. Yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it could have been consensual. And then the interview was like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: but he's a convicted rapist, and you think that they
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: had consensual sex, Well, we don't know that, and blah
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah and everything like that, and just going
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: on and saying that she was flirty at the club,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: basically blaming the victim.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And the interviewer was she had a short dress, Yes,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: she was obviously asking to be raped.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the kind of and it was a woman,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you mean, it was a female defense attorney saying this stuff.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And I was just appalled. I mean, I understand you
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: need a defense attorney, but to go on a show
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and then after he's been convicted he's clearly a rapist
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and everything, and for you to say those things is
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: as a different level of disgusting inside.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the only one that she would probably
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: say he's a rapist if she actually got locked up
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: in her room with him.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she'd be like, Okay, well.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Well maybe he's guilty.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they would not have to wait for the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: death penalty to actually take place, because he actually ended
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: up dying prison from a heart attack in October of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. So this sorry son of a bitch
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: was free for like eighteen months and ended up raping
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and murdering a woman and then raping another and kidnapping
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: another woman, and then sentence to life. So they Texas
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: let him out. I mean, I just want to be like,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I just want to sue the state of Texas for
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: allowing this time.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, find that judge, find that parole board. Yeah, sue
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: every lad. But they're all what you.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Call it, in bed with each other.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, maybe maybe got a little pineapple
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: situation going on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: No, they're all yeah, they're all immune and everything like that,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: But it was all I can't even believe Texas did
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this bullshit back in the eighties. I remember, because we've
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: covered another case where this similar situation happened. It wasn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: just Texas. There were other states that I know. California
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: did it. Yes, California, I think is still well. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're doing it now. I think we've
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I think we've refocused at least to nonviolent crimes. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: feel like as a society, we're like, okay, maybe we
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: don't need to let out the rapists in the well.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: The problem is is the ones that played down from
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a serious thing to like a lesser.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Offense, and they really actually did something really terrible, but
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they're actually.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Serving played the other servant for the lesser, and then
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: they get paroled on the lesser even though they did
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: those more heinous things.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So so all right, well that's our case for this week.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: All right, STU, Do you have a y'all need Jesus? Why?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yes? I do, coming to us from a listener this
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: week that sent it in. Yes, from Candae.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: We appreciate less work.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta do.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, dot's work.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Anything that I have already looked up, I can say
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: it for another time.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Actually, if everybody could just send it a y'all need Jesus,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have to wait for Stue to try
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to find one at the end of the episode, so
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: i'd appreciate. That'd be great.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: And then people are going to be mad when I
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: don't read there.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Because they're not going to be mad. Don't be offended.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: We'll make it through because Stue never looks these up,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and then I have to.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Wait for I do look them up.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate, appreciate you.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're only going to have like tens of.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: People's Yeah, I don't know why you're saying five hundred.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Call me.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Tens of people might send in five hundred.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, the cat is in the room, the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: cat is crying.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: There is no frog.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: No, there's no frog, but there is a jinx. All right,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot him off while stew starts her yell
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: need Jesus. Oh, he just wants to sit up here
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: with me. No he doesn't.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, Canna sent us a story from where we
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: just law from crime Chris Perez from Louisiana.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I already know it's Louisiana.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this story. There's some confusion. There's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: a location of the crime.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: That is confusing to Stew. Because the found I looked
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: at multiple resources and sources.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Well maybe all the people. Maybe all the people just
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: copied the one wrong source because it's making sense. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: physically impossible. These people too have done what they did
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: in one place and got into another place.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll just tell us the story.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna try and read this headline, see if
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you can follow along. Mangled up body of man killed
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: by girlfriend's son found on bridge after a woman teams
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: up with teen and his grandma to try dumping boyfriend
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: overside with kettlebell cop say, I.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Think that y'all need Jesus. Part is that the grandma
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: got herself involved. Like what the fuck? Grandma?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I know, right, the mangled up body of a man
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: killed by his girlfriend's teenage son was discovered on a
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: busy Louisiana bridge last week.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: And that's some poor mothering as well, that you bring
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: in in your teenage son.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: She didn't bring him in, Okay, she's trying to help
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: him cover up after the fact. Did you not even
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: read the story?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't read.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, then maybe you ought to wait. Okay, so this
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: led to murder?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: What I did?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't think so This led to murder and accessory
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: chargers for his partner, her seventeen year old son, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the woman's mother. After the family tried wrapping him in
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: a blanket and dumping him over the side of a
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: bridge with a kettlebell, officials.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Say that's not even heavy enough to sink somebody.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't know what these people they're they're.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Not no kettlebell, is it like I think maybe probably
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: maybe fifteen pounds is the highest it goes.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But they're not like meant for deadlifting,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: like like they do to you know, like one hundreds,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: two hundred pounds or anything like that. It's not like that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: They're a little small things to like swing between your
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: legs as you work your arm muscles.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Well. Kashila Conley, thirty six, of Baker, Louisiana, was trying
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to cover up her boyfriend Gerard Nicholas Richard's death last
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Thursday after her son Deshaun Conley, shot and killed him
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: while the two were arguing and fighting that night. According
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to the arrest Affidavid boy, I don't know, this guy
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: wrote this article. This guy wrote just runs on. Hopefully
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: people can follow. I had to read it like to her.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Most people can't follow you, Stuart, so.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: See what I deal with. Okay, this is an East
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Baton Rouge Parish because she's from Baker CBS affiliates ABC, WAFB,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: wb r Z. If you know, you know. Now. Reeschard
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: was found with trauma injuries near the center of the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Huey P. Loong Bridge in Jefferson Parish. Now this is
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: not what would makes sense. You're not getting from Baton
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Rouge to Huey P. Long Bridge in Jefferson Parish in
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes. So his body was found at around seven
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: pm after Conley and her son alleged tried dumping his
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: body over the side with her mother, Kathy Conley, fifty five,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: who was charged with principal to second degree murder. Kathy,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Now, come on, Kathy, you're too old for this.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Police say. Surveillance footage from from Kashila Conley's apartment shows
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: the trio removing a trash bag believed to contain bloody
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: clothing items roughly thirty minutes before Rechard's body was discovered.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Authorities went to the residence and allegedly found blood and
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: bleach in the apartment and parking lot. A forensic examination
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: showed that the place had been scrubbed down and cleaned.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: A witness who spoke to Copps said that they saw
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: at least two vehicles stopping at the top of the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: bridge to dump Richard's body over, and approached them. The
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: cars dropped Rechhard in the roadway and sped off, causing
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: his body to be run over multiple times by vehicles
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that were passing by. This is like terrible, It is terrible.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Blood smears on the bridges railing indicate that Kashila Conley
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and her family allegedly tried dumping him over the side,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: but were unsuccessful, so they just left him in the road.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: You know what, at least they stick together as a family.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I guess well, they're going to jail as a family now.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: During their investigation, authorities learned that Deshaun had been arguing
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: with Richard last Thursday. Richard was allegedly punched and beaten
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: by the team before the fighting eventually spilled out of
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the apartment and into the parking lot. Police say the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: pair entered as Chevrolet Tahoe and witnesses then heard a
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: single gunshot go off. The Conleys then proceeded to team
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: up to destroy evidence and dump Reschard's body to cover
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: up the murder. Reshard's body was described by investigators as
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: mangled up. Security footage allegedly shows the tahoe that Richard
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: was killed in traveling with a twenty eleven GMC fifteen
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: hundred pickup with a red gas can. I don't know
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: what that has to do with the story.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Why would they go and try to dump this body
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: out in the middle where.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: The traffic is, especially on the Huey Pelong.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: You're in Louisiana, there is many and many a swamp
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in places you could dispose of a body.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Pregators, Yeah, pretty quickly. Well, they went to the Huey
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Pelong Bridge. I'm guessing either the time frame or the
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: location is wrong on this because Sheila Calmly wound up
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: driving the GMC truck to meet up with the detectives
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: to be questioned about the case, with the investigators immediately
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: noticing the gas can in the back of the truck.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So the surveillance they see the gas can in the
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: truck following the body dumping vehicle, and she shows up
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to her interrogation with the same truck with the gas
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: canon there.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: No, they're not criminal masterminds. Obviously, they're trying to shove
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: it over with the kettle bill over a bridge where
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: people are driving, and then show up to the crime
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: or to the interrogation with all the evidence.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: She might have just showed up there with blood on
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: her hand. I don't know. I don't know what chicken.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Because Sheila Conley is facing a charge of being an
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: accessory after the fact of second degree murder and obstruction
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: of justice, while Deshaun Conley is charged with second degree
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: murder and obstruction of justice. Kathy Conley was booked for
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: obstruction in addition to principal to second degree murder. How
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: she got a principal too? I thought she'd be like
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: an accessory after the fact. Did she helped Kelly? I
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, crazy, maybe she inspired him.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: To kill him. I don't know. All right, Well, thank
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you for sending that in, and Stull appreciates any help
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: with this.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: If someone could write the cases for me on my part,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: that'd be great.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Ai to record, then we could be on a.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is getting out after this is going
• 56:59
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• 57:03
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• 57:07
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• 57:11
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• 57:16
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• 57:20
  Speaker 1: thank you for your support. All right, Jinx wants me
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to go and give him treats again. Jinx is still alive, Yes,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: still spry harassing him and the new baby are like
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: little thick as thieves. He likes a little uh to
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: be He likes a little confrontation every once in a while,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: and she's willing to give it to him, so they
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: and she thinks it's funny when he he's pretty good
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: about like just like gently biting her.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Its never breaks the skin.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is third baby. I mean we're pretty
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: loose on them. I go, look at the cat and
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the baby playing. So he's pretty good about it though.
• 58:06
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• 58:24
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• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Wow, I can't lain it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I know, Stu anyways, all right, well, thank you everyone,
• 58:32
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