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Ten Keys For The Eagles To Get Back To The Super Bowl · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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Speaker 2: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: Everybody is Jeff Mosher Adam kaplan for an Inside the
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Birds and hey, guess what, Adam, I know everybody's getting
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really excited. Why well, because this is basically the last
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week of No Eagles football, as training camp will begin
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the following week.
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Speaker 2: You know, the players are report. I mean stuff really
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won't ratch it up, but it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: July twenty second is the day players got to be there,
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so that technically is next week, and Adam, we will
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then turn the page for Inside the Birds. It'll be
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season eight once that begins. Is that not unbelievable or.
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Speaker 2: What it is? Man? I remember the spring of twenty
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eighteen when we threw something together and trying to figure
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it out, and we figured it out. It's been fun, Yeah,
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no doubt about it. And it's kind of cool because
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they're coming off for the first time in the history
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of our show. They're actually coming off of a Super
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Bowl victory. Yeah, they're a defending champion and by the way,
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they have the shortest odds the odds makers are picking
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them to win. Surprises me. It's the changes that's impressive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I reminded me of something that happened this week
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and I ran into an Eagles fan who recognized me
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and started talking to me, and he said, Jeff, I
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really think this is our year. And I said, you
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just won the Super Bowl? Something you say when you
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haven't won it.
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Speaker 2: Where was he sleeping last year? But he said. What
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he said was I really like how this team's gonna
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come together.
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Speaker 1: And I thought, well, that's that's interesting, because right there's
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a whole lot of newness and there's not only just
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new guys, but there's a whole lot of guys who
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really have to step into roles that are going to
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be larger and a bigger capacity. And that segues nicely
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at him to a great idea you had for this
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podcast that we're going to do right now, and it's
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what are the ten keys to the Eagles being able
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to win a Super Bowl and repeat become repeat super
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Bowl champions? And we went with five offense, five defense,
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just to even out and take a look at the
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team as a whole. Because when the person said this
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to me, I thought, I wonder if a lot of
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Eagles fans feel like that way, like this is a
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great opportunity to repeat, or if a lot of fans
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think last year was an amazing season, but it's really
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hard to lose almost half your starting defense and coordinators
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and you know when everybody's coming to get you to
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do it again. I mean, it really takes a special
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team to be able to do it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard to repeat. It really is. When
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we know the Chiefs have done it, but and Patriots
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have done it. But it's it's hard, man, because the
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free agency, injury factor, There's just so many things that
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have to go right to get back, first of all,
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then to win it back to back is so difficult
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to do. So bottom line is the Eagles were able
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to make sure that the Chiefs didn't win three in
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a row, as we know, and they got their ring
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or they're getting their rings soon soon enough. But yeah
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it now. Now. Look, this subject the Keys to a
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super Bowl run came from a Patreon chat recent one
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when we were just talking what's going to take for
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them to get back? I'm like, Aha, this is not
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your training camp questions. This is about what will it
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take you got to the super Bowl, which you really
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have not talked about in Hull. So you have that show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is that show and it comes at a
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perfect time. And again, training camp will start the following
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the week and then we'll be off and you know,
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guns of blazon on all things training camp.
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Speaker 2: So let's get to it. This is a good list.
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Speaker 1: Ten keys to the Eagles making another Super Bowl run.
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Five on offense, five on defense, and we're going to
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start with the defense. And I don't I don't you
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know this is ten, but it could be even higher
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because it's a real it's been an issue for the
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Eagles in the past, not last year. But the inside
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linebacker cannot be up. I like how you phrased this
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too when we when you put this together, inside linebacker
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can't be the second one can't be a problem. And
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that is a delicate phrasing intentionally because we know that
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in the past the Eagles have made Super Bowls, even
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won a Super Bowl, not with the greatest you know,
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twenty seventeen they won. They didn't have like the.
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Speaker 2: Greatest set of inside linebackers.
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Speaker 1: But I think, as Joe Banner once famously said to you,
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it's not like we said ignore linebacker. We just didn't
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value it. But we never said you have to be
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terrible at the position.
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Speaker 2: And Adam.
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Speaker 1: There have been a couple of years when Eagles has
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been good but have been held back by.
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Speaker 2: Having really bad inside linebacker play. So this is where
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this came up. So I don't know, you might know
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better than not. I'm pretty certain you and I were
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hosting a show with Joe and either you or not,
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your eye brought up. We were laughing because we we
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were gonna give you some guff over the line. I
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think it was you. I think for some reason, I
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think it was you, But I just remember laughing. I
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was like, I cannot wait to hear how he's going
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to respond to this. And what he said was he acknowledged,
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you know, Brian Rolls of the world, you could go
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Greg Lloyd, j you could go through all these late
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round picks, Brian roll I'm thinking about all those guys
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most uh uh mos Moses. Was that it, yeah, you
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could go through the last and it just would you like.
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Speaker 1: Would you like Jamar Cheney, Akeem Jordan, Brian Matthews, Creig Lloyd,
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We can go on.
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Speaker 2: And and but what is it can't be a problem.
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That was exactly what he said, right, So I hijacked
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that line and I was like, you know, what that's
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what we're going to use here. It you could be
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just average because Bond. By the way, I talked to
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someone who graded his tape from last season. I talked
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to this guy last week. The tape was legitimate. This
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guy said, you know, his GPS numbers were great. He said,
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he's he Goes man. He didn't realize, like he didn't
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know what you and I know knew that they didn't
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sign a plane side back er this. This guy didn't
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know that. He just said, Wow, this is incredible what
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this guy's pulled off. I said to this guy, I'm like,
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do you think he could repeat he goes? Yes, because
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he he's such instincts to play the position. I don't
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know how the hell he has them, but he does.
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He just has it, like he he has the ability
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to play the position the right way. But then next
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to him right now Strot Junior. We know behind the
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scenes we repeated this, you know, we put this out
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last year. They were very happy with him in practice,
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but that's practice. We don't know what he looks like
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in a game, right So, I mean he's a smaller guy.
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We know he's very smart, a little bit better athlete
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than maybe we first thought, but it can't be a problem.
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We're not gonna know if it's a it's a plus
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or a problem. Do we get there? And again, we
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don't know about your hot campbell. In terms of being
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ready for the season. We know he'll be on the
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practice field some fincher some time in August, but we
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don't know what that looks like. We don't how much
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they're gonna give it inside backer because they're well, I
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guess they said you're going to start off there, but
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we don't know. Because this is a different defense that
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he played in college, we don't know where he'll be.
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Speaker 1: Rightly, I have concerns, just as you outlined it, but
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I also feel like confident that not only do you
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have Zach Bown, who, even if he doesn't replicate last year,
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is still going to hold his own. So I'm confident
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that no matter what, this linebacking group will not make
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us think of the days of the Duke Riley, Alex
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Singleton make Gury Trio when they whenever they had to
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have three linebacker.
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Speaker 2: Alex is a good player, though it's unfortunately he was. Yeah,
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he's coming up in town a cli which some of
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the best of luck. I'll come back from it. But yeah,
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it it, and I don't Trotter's not. Honestly, I think
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Trotter's trot Junior is better than any of those could
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Like ten guys we mentioned. That's right, that's your point.
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What he can't be a problem. That was Joe's point.
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I would have loved to have been inside those conversations
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of what when Joe. Yeah, because this is mostly before
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Joe left with Andy, with Howie, with whoever, Jim Johnson,
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Sean McDermott. You can look at the lot and plus
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whoever the linebacker who were the lot? Some of the
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linebacker coaches do we remember? I know Ron Rivera very
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early in Andy' screw, but do we remember, oh.
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Speaker 1: Gosh, linebacker coaches under Andy?
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Speaker 2: Oh the guy who coached Westchester Bill.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see, oh Man, I can see him.
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Speaker 2: Bears hired or Sean I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: Uh And then there's the one who coached under Billy
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Davis with Chip Kelly, whose name I can't.
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Speaker 2: Remember, Uh Man I remember? Yeah, Yeah, these guys are
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just I'm.
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Speaker 1: Usually really good with going down memory of the land
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and coaches, But that's how bad the Eagles have been
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at times at linebacker.
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Speaker 2: Oh I had Ken Fljoel one year Ken. Yeah, boy,
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he was a good coach. Yeah yeah, he wanted he
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wanted out there. Did he shows you though? Right?
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Speaker 1: He was a good coach.
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Speaker 2: He has a good career.
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Speaker 1: But what is if the Eagles linebackers weren't very good
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because they just he didn't have any work.
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Speaker 2: I know, and I remember he wasn't real happy with
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what was going on here and he went to the
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did you go to the Chiefs with Andy? He went
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to the Chiefs with indo you at one point? Yeah? Yeah?
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So yeah, honestly, this this putting him them at ten,
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it probably should have been higher up in uh you
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as far as this, as far as questions to get
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into the super Bowl, probably should have been a little
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bit higher. But number nine, to me, this could be important.
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We're expecting to heavy twelve personnel again, to receivers, two
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tight ends, one back. But we always say, what's your
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answer if somebody gets hurt? If Smith or Brown are
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out for a while. We know that Dotson would start.
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You need to have when you play eleven, you you
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need to have a competent number three receiver. That's where
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developing a Naya Smith, Terris Marshall, Danny Gray, so Johnny Wilson,
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obviously he's only been blocking. Someone has got to emerge
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here as equality back receiver one hundred agree with you.
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Speaker 1: Last year they were fairly lucky in that DeVante Smith,
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I believe, played sixteen or seventeen games or a lot.
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He played almost every game. AJ Brown had the hamstring
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issue early that put him out a couple of weeks,
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but they actually didn't play well those weeks. They started
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off two and two, as we all remember, so you
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can see, and we said this in the past, when
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AJ Brown gets hurt, it's a entirely different offense.
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Speaker 2: It's just not the same. I think he missed four
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games last season. Yeah, he played off first two week.
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First two seasons he played all seventeen and then last
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year missed four.
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Speaker 1: But right, he played the season opener right, and then
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missed the next either three or four.
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Speaker 2: I think with the well, if you remember, the Tampa
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Bay game was a total s show because DeVante didn't
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play and A. J. Brown didn't play and Lane didn't play, right,
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was it Lane out for that game?
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Speaker 1: He might have been out for that game as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now with the Fred Johnson start, if I'm not mistaken, yep,
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I think you think you might be right about that. Yeah,
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I was just almost most of the games. I mean
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it's he wasn't out that long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
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it is. It's really important because we've used this phrase
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forever because we took it from coaches. What's our answer
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if we're missing somebody. You got to have a better
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answer than Johan Dotson. You like to have size, like
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Terras Marshall complaints at our outside where an outside receiver
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could line up inside. Yeah, and then Danny Gray could
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flat out fly. So I mean they could go with
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the committee receiver by Committian film with for one of
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those guys Smith and Brown. But Dotson did look better
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late in the season. But we have to remember Washington
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won hit him off the roster. I feel strongly would
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have cut him if they couldn't trade him, and Eagles
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overpaid for him. But they I know they were very
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down on him, that that coaching staff and that new
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front office. He didn't draft him, so they they were
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new to him, and they, as we reported this at
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the time, they were done with him, like they just
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didn't not nothing with off the field it's it was effort,
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it's practice performance. They were very down on him and
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they were going to move him, and they Eagles liked
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him for that draft and he did look good. Man,
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he made some plays late in the season. Now, see,
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here's the cool thing for Johan Dottson. He doesn't have
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to learn a new offense. Really, it's going to be
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the same as last year. With whatever tweaks. Patula's gonna
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makea Remember he had the all offense on a Ron Rivera,
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then he had Cliff Kingsbury's offense. Then he had to
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learn this one right right, hugging up against the season. Well,
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that's not fair to him. So now he's going to
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full off season. Absolutely all right.
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Speaker 1: I love our number eight one and this is about
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the backup quarterback and it's all about Tanner McKee really
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needing to develop.
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Speaker 2: Now he is QB two.
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Speaker 1: Obviously you trade away Kenny Pickett because you have the
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confidence that he can be QB two. Jalen Hurts has
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only played seventeen games I think once in the four
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years of him being a starting quarterback. It's not like
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he's missed a ton of games either. He's played hurt
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in a lot of them, but the backup quarterback for
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this organization is huge. And the one thing about McKee
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as opposed to say having like Kenny Pickett who had
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a lot of starts by comparison, is that mcewe has
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not just basically played one and a half games. So
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his development is important because if Jalen Hurts does get hurt,
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even if it's just a game or two, I mean
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one or two games, could be the difference between getting
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the number one seed or.
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Speaker 2: Not getting the number one seed.
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Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to be there, be functional, and
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this team's gonna have to take the field with the
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ability to win a game because the quarterback can either
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help them win or win it for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not much, Dad, You've kind of set it up well.
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And if we said this in March, no matter what
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is out there, no, it's not gonna be Donovan Thompson,
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Robinson or some other quarterback. There was some speculation that, oh,
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the job's opening, McKee's got to win it. I don't
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know where the hell that came from. That was completely false.
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This is about Tanner McKee. The real story is Tarner
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McKee was better than Kenny Pickett and practice last year,
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but you don't make you don't really make a depth
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chart change at quarterback in season. That's very rare. It's happened,
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but it's very rare, right, and McKee is just this
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is one of those stories where you did sure as
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hell didn't see it in training camp as a rookie,
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but then he put that tape together in training and preseason,
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and when you have that size of that kind of
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arm strength and thirty one other teams could see your
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game tape, you're not gonna wave him. And I hope
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he gets to the practice, gets gets through that. That's
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one that would probably keep Hollie up to night if
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you try to sneak him through and smartly. He didn't
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do that, you know, so yeah, absolutely, Oh it didn't
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played okay when he had a playless ye're s only
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he could play badly? Yeah, I know, you know how.
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Speaker 1: I mean, fans can be rough. I mean he didn't
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they don't like him, but I mean they did score
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thirty some odd points in that game. And yeah, he
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wasn't great, but he did throw a couple touchdowns. So
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he's kind of like what you expect of a backup
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quarterback getting thrown in cold to do so, but we
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saw Tanner McKee come in and really lighted up. But
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I think that's what gets people pretty excited about Tanner
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McKee's future here. Sure, all right, let's move on to
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number seven. It's sort of an extension of number ten,
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which was the second inside linebacker. Can't be a problem.
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But the whole purpose of this podcast isn't what will
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make the Eagles good again.
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Speaker 2: It will what can get them back to the super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: And so, as you mentioned his name before, squarely under
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the microscope in an important way, is Jeremiah Drodter Junior.
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I mean he's gonna be the second linebacker because Nikobe
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Deane's gonna be hurt for a little bit, not back
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probably til August, and then even Johad Campbell can't practice.
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I'm sorry, Nikobe Dean will be back to October. Jodd
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Campbell won't be a practice right August, and we don't
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know when in August. So Jeremiah trond Junior not only
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has to just avoid like falling on his face, he's
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gotta be good.
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Speaker 2: Really, if this team wants to win a super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: And Trotter is starting five six games, they need really
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good play.
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Speaker 2: From him. Yeah, and look they did not take too
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much of a step back. I mean, Dean was really good. Look,
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don't mistake me here. Dean was really really good before
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he got hurt. It was really a great story, no quo.
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You know, finally happened from the light one on. He
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was really really good. But Burks did a really good job.
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We had questions, we quite because when he played initially
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he didn't look good, and man boy, he really took off.
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And Burks has got tremendous size for the inside backer
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position now he's with the Bengals. But yeah, you don't
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want you really would like him to be a solid starter.
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Speaker 3: I just know that.
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Speaker 2: What did Greg co Sell tell us he thought he
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liked Trotter's tape then the Kobe's tape from College.
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Speaker 1: Trotters College Tate more than the Kobe Dean's.
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Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah, how about that? But but so
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I would be I'd feel really good about Trotter. I'm
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I'm thinking because he's got the intelligence for it. We
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know that neither knock on him as he was really small, Okay,
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but he doesn't control that. He controls how hard he works,
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which he does. And they're pretty confident in him that
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it's you know, it's kind of cool and it's taken.
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And this is you say, our eight seasons coming up.
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I remember one of I don't know one of the years,
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we said the trust is folks, the inside backup. This
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will not be it will not be an embarrassment anymore.
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We didn't say it'd be good. I remember saying that,
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but it's not gonna be an embarrassment anymore. And then
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now are at the point and vance Ben van Summons
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on offense. Now, but that was an upside guy who
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they who flashed for them a little bit trot ju
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and your the bond story. It's like Christopher Sanchez or
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the Phillies, like you couldn't make this up, Like there's
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just this should not be happening, but it is. Yes,
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So because I've tried to figure out if folks who
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follow the Phillies know this. Christopher Sanchez was a guy
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that never showed anything in the minor leagues. You just
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didn't see anything. I don't know where they are their
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arm strength, mechanical change, whatever the hell it was. Now
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he's an absolute ace stud. He might be a number
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one pitcher on a bunch of teams. Yeah, you know,
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the guy's incredible, and and Zach Bond She's uh right now,
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I would say, I mean Fred who was baron Fred
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Water last season, which is ridiculous to say, but it's true.
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We now only did Greco Sels say that the guys
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booked the last week said he can't think of another
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linebacker that he saw on tape was better than this guy.
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So they actually might be really good at inside backer,
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particularly when their first round pick is available.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, so let's move on to number six.
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Speaker 2: We'll go back to offense. Hmm.
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Speaker 1: Aj Dillon must regain his form. So does that mean
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aj Dillon has to make this team for this team
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to get back to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, here's why. No, But here's why. Here's
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the question. Okay, we I think we went everyone listening
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watching would agree that Eagles are still going to run
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team because Barkley's here. Okay, they have to be. You
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have to justify the contract. It was over two thousand yards. Now,
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it doesn't mean you have to run it. You don't
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have to run him to the ground like they did
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last season. He lasted. It's an amazing story. But they're
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gonna be a run. They're going to be a run team.
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You're the only NFL team to run the ball when
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they passed it in the first half of games, which
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if you think about this organization football operations wise, it's ridiculous.
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But it happened and it worked because Barkley was fantastic.
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But if Barkley gets hurt, there are serious questions about
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volume with ship Laid. I mean I know that because
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that's you know, that was what we were told at
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the draft. Everything we've heard from personal people in the league,
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they kind of sort of agree, like he's explosive, you
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worry about the body frame. How much volume could he handle?
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A Jjillen could hand a volume. That's not the problem.
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We just don't know what he is. He didn't play
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last season.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if you get the best case scenario,
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if aj Dylon is not only healthy, but he looks
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like the running back for his first two years with
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the Packers and take on Barkley's healthy and behind that
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offensive line, holy cow. I mean the Egles no, well,
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fifty times in a game people to try to start,
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you think people want to People think that Eagles are
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gonna come out and run like six toush pushes in
20:17
a row just to get at the Packers and the
20:18
rest league. They can just hand it off to Barkley,
20:21
then Dylan and Barkley and Dylan and just bulldoze their
20:23
way down the field into the end zone.
20:25
Speaker 2: Well, and then the other thing is, you know I
20:27
said this when they signed in March, like they need
20:29
a closer. When they're up big. You don't need to
20:33
run Barkley. You absolutely do not. If they're up by
20:35
seventeen with ten minutes left, get get Barkley out, get
20:38
Delan in. That's why he's there. I like it, definitely
20:42
like that.
20:43
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20:48
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Key number five is to say, for the Eagles to
22:14
make another Super Bowl run, and this one is the
22:16
offensive side, the tight end position must be or must
22:21
result in a solid.
22:23
Speaker 2: Number two option.
22:26
Speaker 1: You could argue, I mean, you could argue Dallas. Goddard
22:29
was actually the number one option through the playoffs because
22:32
he led them in receptions and receiving yards in the postseason.
22:38
Speaker 2: Right, but if Goddard gets hurt, which his sister says
22:41
it almost certain to happen, they've got to have a
22:45
solid too. I'm sorry, capitarists, not a solid too. He
22:47
don't block very well. He's an athlete, he's just look,
22:52
there's a reason why. And let's face it. The Eagles
22:55
brought in Legles, had six other tight ends because they
22:58
knew that to start free agency were they were looking
23:01
the trade guard by all measures got it was going
23:04
to be moved. But it frankly for their case, they
23:06
found a way to make it work. But they signed
23:10
Kylon Grantson, They signed Harrison Bryant, They brought back Nick Mws,
23:14
Cameron lay too. They brought in another X forty nine
23:17
er EJ. Jenkins has been here and Calco Terror's on
23:19
the finding of his rookie deal. Someone's got emerge. If
23:22
Goddard can't play, someone who they could rely on like
23:26
Harrison Brian, who's no offense to Kylin Grantson. He's just
23:28
a better football player. Brian's way better, more talented than
23:32
Green Kyle Katara. So let's see if Brian could be
23:36
that guy. There's not he Look, they could wind up
23:39
cutting him too if he doesn't perform. The guaranteed money
23:41
in his contract's not very much, so let's see what happens.
23:44
But with god Os gentry history, they need an answer
23:47
if he can't play.
23:48
Speaker 1: It's interesting. They all bring something different to the table.
23:51
I feel like Kylon Grandson of the three is probably
23:53
the best vertical Yeah. Yeah, So it's all gonna be
23:58
like where where, what the what are the Eagles specifically
24:01
looking for you? And I would love to see them
24:03
just be able to find a guy who can block
24:06
capably and catch the ball, which is hard because those
24:11
guys are usually starting tight ends.
24:14
Speaker 2: So I'm one.
24:14
Speaker 1: I just wonder if some kind of this might be
24:17
the camp where somebody emerges you know that you know
24:20
is a DJ Jenkins.
24:20
Speaker 2: I don't know.
24:21
Speaker 1: I know he's two hundred and sixty pounds. He's been
24:23
working on his blocking for the last year. He caught
24:25
the ball when Tanner mckeeth threw it to him in
24:27
that game they played. So I'm really looking forward to
24:30
the tight end competition this year, and I'm kind of
24:33
going into it with an open mind, you know, I
24:36
just want to see all these guys compete and see
24:38
which one rises to the top.
24:39
Speaker 2: This might be a year for them to definitely keep three,
24:41
got it. Obviously, Harrison Bryant is one of the twelve
24:46
players they signed to a one year deal one point
24:50
two million, seven hundred and eighty k fully guaranteed signing,
24:53
Kylen Grantson one year, one point seventy five million, one million,
24:57
fully guaranteed signing. So I mean, I could see them
24:59
keeping both of them, Goddard Grantson and Brian saying goodbye
25:02
to Calcatara and Jenkins. And I could certainly see that,
25:07
And I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if Grantson and Bryant perform. Well,
25:12
I'd be surprised if they're cut, because they bring something
25:15
totally different from one another. And Brian's more of a
25:19
He could play the wide position, which is in line,
25:20
you could he could play the a F. Grants Grants
25:23
is a little bit more like to play the a F,
25:25
which is the move he's you'll see the guy he's
25:29
lineup off set the F tight end. So that but
25:33
again with Goddard's propensity of getting hurt. You gotta have
25:36
someones more reliable in Calcutara. That that's that's to me
25:39
why they did this with Granted and Bryant. They they
25:41
want a competition again. These guys bring something different.
25:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I agree with you, and I think
25:46
you're right to say that someone's got to emerge as
25:48
a really solid number two option for this team, uh
25:51
to get back to the super Bowl. All right, Number four, Hey,
25:55
this one you can make an argument. It's it's number one.
25:57
You know, any of these top four can make an
26:00
argument a number one. And that's about the edge group, Adam,
26:03
this young edge tandem of Jaylex Hunt and Nolan Smith
26:06
gotta stay healthy, got to develop, and there's gonna be
26:10
times because Vic Fangio wants to only rush four that
26:13
they're gonna have to dominate the person in front of them.
26:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:18
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know, because they're the kings of
26:20
sim pressures like, they don't want to blitz. They're going
26:22
to be low twenty percent blitz percentage. That's that's coming again,
26:26
no surprise to anybody. The question is and we actually
26:30
got this is I think more than one person asked
26:32
this this in the YouTube comments. Do the guys have
26:35
a number one past rushing or do they need one?
26:40
I just feel like they have. Smith has got to
26:42
take the next step. He's coming off surgery now, he
26:44
had a good three quarters of the season. He needs
26:46
to build on that. Sheeggs. Hunt has never been a
26:48
full time starter. This is year four for them, for
26:51
him as just an edge rusher. Two years at Acuston
26:55
Christian in two years with the Eagles. It's a first
26:58
time starter. Well at least he's projected to start. It's
27:01
not a lock he starts, but he's right now. He's
27:03
a starter obviously. Nolan Smith, he's an emerging player. This
27:07
is a big step. This is like, it's kind of
27:09
this is kind of like skipping step two and getting
27:11
the three. Like this is like if you're a single
27:14
A baseball player and you're you're, you're so dominant single A,
27:18
you move up to triple A, and then you're you're
27:20
you're killing in triple A. You're they're bringing up immediately.
27:23
It's a big step. Man. We'll see what happens. But
27:27
to me, though, the reason why I think they'll be
27:29
okay is Ojilari is so good his pressure rate for
27:34
the snapsy the guts is very good. We know josh
27:37
uche hasn't been a factor of the last two seasons.
27:39
We get that. I still feel that now. Of course
27:44
you'll have Camel could factor into that at some point
27:46
this season. We don't know that yet. We'll have to
27:48
see what happens. But I feel pretty good with what
27:50
I sold from Nolan Smith. Now. I think what they'll
27:53
what they'll do in training camp is they'll they'll take
27:55
a look at how he looks. We'll see how Hunt's
27:58
coming along, and of Sjelari they kind of know, but
28:01
he's got to learn their system and new Chade, see
28:04
what he if he's regained anything. If they have serious questions,
28:08
that's when they have to add a veteran. If if
28:10
all are coming along and Powell Rylan looks good, they
28:12
don't have to do anything, but there are questions there.
28:15
But to get to the super Bowl. That's that's what
28:17
this show's about. This is not top ten train camp questions.
28:19
This is about getting the super Bowl. Yes, the Smith
28:23
and Hunt have to take a big step. Let me
28:25
ask you this question. Who's got to take a bigger step?
28:27
Hunter Smith?
28:30
Speaker 1: Mmm?
28:31
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, does it matter.
28:33
Speaker 1: Just one of them has to become a dominant pass rusher,
28:36
I think, and then the other one will probably you know,
28:38
Jalen Carter's ability to draw double teams is going to
28:41
create one of them. Comments everybody, So one person has
28:45
to be this year's version of what the Eagles have
28:48
had forever in from Trent Cole to Brandon Graham to
28:52
Josh Sweat to Hasan Reddick back to Sweat, They've always
28:55
had the one guy who could just whoop the guy
28:58
in front of him right. Oh to me, it honestly
29:01
doesn't matter whether it's Hunt or Smith. They just need
29:04
one of them. And if both of them.
29:07
Speaker 2: Can do that consistently, then they're gonna be It's gonna
29:09
be really fun to watch.
29:10
Speaker 1: If both of them show growing pains and struggle, it's
29:14
gonna be a little bit of an interesting decision for
29:17
Vic Fangio as to can I squeeze more juice out
29:20
of Ojilari and let's see what Ouch is doing if
29:23
you know.
29:23
Speaker 2: If he winds up making the team and everything. So
29:26
from when I'm told with Jalen Carter, one of the
29:29
things that he has to improve on is defeating double teams.
29:32
I get it. It's not easy. No one gets more
29:35
double team at the detackle position than Carter, I believe.
29:37
I know for most of the season he led the
29:38
NFL and getting double team. He's got to learn how
29:42
to do it. That is what we're told from someone
29:44
who studied his state last season, someone who I really respect.
29:48
But then NFL team told me that that's what their
29:51
tape study showed on Carter as they studied the Eagles.
29:54
So I get it. That's hard to do, but that's
29:57
part of it. When you're a terrific talent who's incredibly disruptive,
30:00
you're gonna draw a crowd. Yeah, as you said, it
30:04
should help. That helped Milt Williams, no question about it.
30:06
And they're not gonna Milt Williams by the way. That's
30:08
that's big. But I let's put it this way. I
30:13
don't know that. I don't see an elite edge rusher
30:15
from Smith or Hunt. Hunt is just Hunt's a mystery.
30:20
We don't know. He's just an emerging player. We don't
30:23
know what he can be as a pass rusher yet.
30:25
Smith Smith because of the power element. He finally added
30:28
the power element, which was never there that that was
30:31
pretty interesting. But man, if I would just I think
30:34
by committee they could be pretty good. If Smith and
30:36
Hunter a solid you know, Jelai is one of the
30:39
better frees in the NFL, They're good. I'm and I'm
30:42
fine with if he's just okay. But if if if Smith,
30:46
Hunting o Jely are average, they have a major problem.
30:50
That would be an issue.
30:51
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's been a long time since you say, man,
30:54
the Euglos four men Russia is just kind of average.
30:56
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what they build the good team
30:58
aroud because look in twenty seventeen, they had Curry, Chris Long,
31:05
who are the other edges, Brandon Graham, Derek Barnett, yep,
31:11
and they had some pretty good interior.
31:14
Speaker 1: X they had Timmy Jernigaine, and then Brandon would slide
31:17
in into the Nichols spot. Yeah, they played three edge
31:21
rushers because Chris Long and Barnett and.
31:24
Speaker 2: We're doing so good that year. Yeah, if ojis Chris Long,
31:27
I'm good. I mean that that's that that's And honestly,
31:31
Chris did a great job of arriving's career right with
31:35
New England because you know, the word around the league
31:37
was with the Rams boy, his his tape was not
31:39
great in this tenure with the Rams, and peer wonder
31:41
if he could still play. And he revived his career
31:43
with the Patriots and then for the Eagles did a
31:44
great job. But Jali's got it, There's no question about it.
31:49
It's just I don't know what it is with these injuries.
31:51
It's the worst luck. You know, the Patriots.
31:53
Speaker 1: When Chris Long was with the Patriots, if you looked
31:55
at the stats, you'd say, no, he was still not
31:57
he wasn't good, but they were actually playing him. I
32:00
remember talking to Chris about this as a three technique
32:03
on pass rushers in past rush situations like when they
32:07
were in nickel and subpackages, and you know you can
32:11
see it from Brandon Graham because he's got that stocky,
32:14
compact frame. It shocked me that they tried to do
32:17
that Chris Long, and obviously, you know he played for them.
32:20
He didn't have great stats, but when he came back
32:21
to the Eagles, they put him back on the edges and.
32:23
Speaker 2: The wide nine better.
32:25
Speaker 1: He was better, he was healthy and you could just
32:26
see that explosion come back to his game.
32:29
Speaker 2: Well, I know the Patriots felt he could still play,
32:31
and he that's why he was there. But yeah, he
32:33
definitely was a better pass rusher with the Eagles and
32:35
playing on a Schwortzee with that that nine technique was
32:38
I mean, it's it's kind of it's very rare for
32:41
someone to play the nine and not do well in it.
32:45
It's just the running jokes. You play the run on
32:48
the way of the quarterback, which I love that line anyway, Yes, all.
32:52
Speaker 1: Right, Number three is a great one because it sort
32:56
of also allows us to vote our recent inside the
32:58
data with Sam Fake. It was such a good study
33:02
by Sam. Somebody had asked him, like to look at
33:05
the data of right guard Tyler Steen when he starts
33:11
versus when he has to play in a game off
33:13
the bench, and what do those metrics show? And then
33:17
what do those metrics mean for him, you know, competing
33:20
for the starting job, Which was a little tougher to
33:22
answer because sample size matters when you're talking about data
33:26
and metrics, and there wasn't a big sample size for
33:28
him to begin with, and then even less when you
33:30
split it into starts versus non starts or when you're
33:32
coming in called off the bench.
33:34
Speaker 2: So there were the numbers were.
33:36
Speaker 1: I don't want to say they were all over the place,
33:37
but they told a couple of different stories. And I
33:39
think if you really go and have an opportunity to
33:41
listen to the podcast or watch it on YouTube where
33:44
we show the charts and we show the metrics, Sam
33:46
does an unbelievable job of putting them together in a
33:49
very user friendly way. It was a really great and
33:51
enlightening podcast, and it got me excited, and we kind
33:54
of came to the same conclusion looking at the numbers
33:58
that you feel the same way, and that's Tyler Steen
34:02
does not have to go in at right guard and
34:04
play like an All Pro or a Pro Bowl or
34:08
like the He doesn't have to.
34:10
Speaker 2: I get it.
34:10
Speaker 1: Everybody else on the line has made a Pro Bowl,
34:12
they're All Pro team. But he doesn't have to. He
34:15
just has to be hold his own be adequate. Makai
34:19
Beckten McKai Beckton actually struggled a lot more than people
34:22
think he did, but compensated because you're playing around an
34:25
elite offensive line. So if Tyler Stein could go in
34:29
and play anywhere near Makai Beckton's level, although he's not
34:32
as massive of a human being, so run blocking might
34:35
not be the same, but.
34:36
Speaker 2: That'll be fine.
34:37
Speaker 1: That's all the Eagles need, Adam is Tyler Steen to
34:40
be a functional starting right guard.
34:42
Speaker 2: Can't be a problem, right, it's a problem, right. Talking
34:45
to on line coaches over the years, they always say
34:47
to me, like if I'd ask about a guard and
34:51
you get that, like the similar response, well, we'll be
34:54
fine there, We'll be okay there. They just don't want
34:57
to be a problem because they know they're they're a
35:00
tackle or they're really good at tackle, which is about
35:02
protecting the quarterback, you know, for the run game. Don't
35:06
let it be a problem, right, don't get beat like
35:09
Beck then had some it was fohen We're told it
35:11
was it was technique issues he had because he was
35:14
remember he.
35:15
Speaker 3: On the fly.
35:16
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he never played guard in his life.
35:18
Last May was his first exposure to guard. You know,
35:22
he had to learn it. And he wasn't really signed
35:24
to play guard. It's signed to be the swing tackle.
35:26
And it just one of these things with the Eagles
35:30
that you can't explain. But you notice the trend here,
35:34
like the cross training and it turns out to be
35:35
home runs like that. That's great coaching, and it's with
35:38
how he signing the players. He deserves credit, but it's
35:41
coaches seeing something different. M and you got to give
35:44
the Wiley Vetts, Statland obviously with Beckton and others over
35:49
the years, and Vic Fangio with Bonnets. I'm sure folks
35:54
who are who have been around a long time could
35:56
tell us who were in their sixties and seventies are watching.
35:59
I'm sure there's some great stories of guys changed the
36:01
positions with the Eagles in the sixties, seventies and eighties.
36:04
But the Bond story is an old timer. My lot
36:08
one that didn't have a story because he was a
36:10
rugby player, so that's the best one. But the Beca
36:14
one was one of those where, okay, stuff thinks is
36:17
going to work, so you gotta trust him, and it worked.
36:19
But it cannot be a problem here, Yes, can't be
36:22
a problem. You don't have to be great.
36:24
Speaker 1: You just can't be the guy every week who's getting
36:28
the quarterback hit and sacked and all that or this
36:31
is a run block for yeah. Yeah, you just gotta
36:33
be fundamentally sound and assignments.
36:35
Speaker 2: Sound, be functional. Yeah, just be fine, right awesome.
36:38
Speaker 1: So that also we stay on the offensive line for
36:41
number two, what's number two Adam, What do you think
36:43
is the set of all these ten keys is as
36:47
important to the Eagles winning this?
36:48
Speaker 2: This is big because this is Jalen Hurts, a six
36:52
play caller of his career. Okay, Kevin Petullo's the latest.
36:58
This is just the NFL career, by the way, I
37:00
know it's at least eleven going back to his dad,
37:04
that's a lot. Because he said it last year. I
37:07
was blown away when he just threw it out there.
37:08
I was like, holy smokes, wow. So it The good
37:12
thing is he's worked with Petullo since since twenty one.
37:16
They know each other very very well. Kevin petula knows
37:19
his strengths and weaknesses or whatever challenges, whatever you want
37:21
to call it, and the communication between two should be
37:25
great because they know each other. Yeah, Kevin has been
37:28
involved in developing them as a passing game coordinator, as
37:33
Sirianni's right hand man as the chief of staff over
37:37
the years, like he involved in game planning, whatever his
37:39
role had been. So he knows Jalen very well. But
37:42
it's got to be smooth in that it's in different
37:46
voice in his ear calling the play, which is one
37:49
thing on game day, but designing now thetulo is actually
37:52
responsible for designing the plays with input, and he's got
37:56
take Jalen's input what he likes and what he doesn't like.
37:59
That's what John T Flipbok would tell us when on Friday,
38:04
after Friday's practice, they start like throughout the week, you're communicating,
38:08
and then you start taking stuff out like the quarterback
38:10
didn't like to do in a week, right, and then
38:12
obviously Nick knows him super well. So this is uh,
38:16
you know, this is this is going to be a
38:18
interesting situation here. Oh and Scott Leffler, you know that
38:21
this is an adjunct to it. Scott Leffler Hurts relationship
38:26
is something that we have to watch one hundred percent.
38:29
Speaker 1: And I I, like I said for three and four,
38:32
I think this one is as important as any It
38:35
could be number one because of what you mentioned, the history,
38:38
how tough it is to keep losing coordinators, the fact
38:41
that he does at least have that rapport with Jalen Hurts.
38:45
I mean that should absolutely help in Kevin Batulo's case.
38:49
So you keep that, but you also go outside with
38:51
Scott Leffler and maybe that brings in some ideas and creativity.
38:56
The bottom line is the room just has to be solid.
38:58
The ideas have to be accepted the coaching to Jalen,
39:02
and not only that, but the coaching's reception of what
39:05
Jalen wants to do also has to be all in line.
39:09
And it's not that it's aligned every day every game
39:13
one through seventeen. I'm sure you know even though that
39:16
that there were times Kellen Moore and and Jalen Hurts
39:19
had to like go through things in the offense in
39:21
general had to be what sort of looking for how
39:25
to be.
39:25
Speaker 2: Like not negotchit.
39:26
Speaker 1: I agreed on that everybody wants to make sure that
39:28
what's best is best for the quarterback. Where yes, simpatico,
39:32
which doesn't mean you agree on everything, It just means
39:35
you work on what works best.
39:37
Speaker 2: And that has to happen this year with the faces.
39:40
The smooth transition. Yeah, that's that's the Scott Leffler's the
39:44
quarterbacks coach who, from what we're told, does coach hard like.
39:47
He's the guy's a former head coach to at Bawl
39:50
and Green, so he also worked for the Lions. He
39:53
interviewed for the quarterbacks job Underflip in twenty fifteen. That
39:59
went to Kevin Connell, by the way, was it came
40:01
down a leftler and a Kevin O'Connell for that quarterbacks
40:04
job to coach Johnnie Manzil and Josh McCown by the
40:08
way twenty fifteen. You know that is an interesting point too.
40:11
Speaker 1: I don't know as Jalen had a quarterbacks coach yet
40:15
who has been a former head coach. I mean, I
40:19
know Marty Morning was part of the staff when Jalen
40:21
was a rookie, right, right, that's right, But I'm really taught,
40:25
but that he was a rookie.
40:26
Speaker 2: He wasn't a starter at that time. He was. He
40:28
wound up starting at the end of the year.
40:30
Speaker 1: But since Nick Sirianni took over, his first quarterbacks coach
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was Brian Johnson. Correct, yep, was Brian. He's never been
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a college no, no.
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Speaker 2: OC and college at Florida in Utah, right And Alex
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Tanney was never ahead or college nothing, no, no, he
40:46
just retired a couple of years. So that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: This is pretty interesting because this is the first time
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that his quarter his position coach brings a little like
40:54
cashe has been a head coach as used to being
40:57
like a leader of men and really expecting what he
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says to be taking it, you know, like he's not
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just like you said, not like Alex Hander, you're just
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retired from playing the spot a couple of years earlier.
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Speaker 2: I do think that that's pretty interesting. Yeah, so that's
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something we'll you know, we'll put our ears to the
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grindstone as as the saying goes, and we'll we'll see
41:18
how it goes. But that that's a big one. But
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the number one key for super Bowl run. This is
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a super Bowl run though. Remember, yeah, it's not just
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this is not just training camp questions has nothing to
41:29
do with it. It's tied into it, but it's not
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about winning. This is about winning a Super Bowl. Yeah,
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and it's on defense. Could you guess what it might be?
41:37
What's one position we haven't talked about. Cornerback?
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Speaker 1: Cornerback, Yeah, and yes, cornerback and safety you know CJGJ.
41:43
You could throw either of that that you just need
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you need guys to come in and play at a
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high level of these positions. These are not positions you
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can hide, especially cornerback.
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Speaker 2: No, and they're very light a corner obsequent on Mitchell
41:54
because they've got an aging Jry Jackson turns thirty in
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the fall, so that means he's thirty in NFL years.
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And you've got Ringo who lost the starting cornerback job
42:07
to Isaiah Rodgers, and he lost it very early in
42:09
training camp and Rodgers hadn't didn't even play the year
42:11
before that. That's not a good sign. So Ringo needs
42:15
to take these good off seasons and take it to
42:18
training camp, win the job, and as we get through
42:21
the season, and even if Jackson wins it or he
42:26
takes it later in the season, it's got a result
42:29
in solid performances. It can't just be average because what's
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gonna happen is folks, they will club offenses go against
42:36
these will specifically target that that cornerback position. Obsequently on Mitchell,
42:41
that will happen. That's coming. It's coming no matter what.
42:45
But if it's really bad, it's really gonna come and
42:50
to be And this is another one where you get
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to late August. How he's got a lot of draft
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picks next year. It doesn't look a good at corner's
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gonna happen. Oh he's not. He's not gonna let them
43:02
bring it to heat. It's someone he used to work
43:04
for how he told me he called him elite problem solver.
43:07
So that was a great line because he sees something
43:11
and he goes, this is not right. We're not gonna
43:13
let this linger. That's that's sometimes you have to be
43:16
willing to pull the trigger. He's he's not risk averse man,
43:20
he's he's done. Give a shit. She's my language. But
43:22
he's like, whatever it's going to take, that's mixing the
43:25
best to do it.
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Speaker 1: And certainly that cornerback spot with has which has been
43:30
manned by Darius slay now for it was five years
43:34
and two super Bowls, and he played pretty well. He
43:36
may not have been the guy from Detroit, but he
43:38
was pretty good and really good and good good corners
43:41
that can hold up. And you're right, someone's got to
43:44
perform in that spot.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny and I know he's he turns, yeah,
43:49
he turns thirty five, and in uh in January, we
43:52
forget how well Sleigh looked late in the season, Like
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I know, mid season there are questions about how well
43:58
he was moving. You know, he the knee surgery the
44:00
year before, and you know that when you know, once
44:03
you get to a certain age, in the NFL, you're
44:05
you know, you're pretty beat up, or you're you're near
44:06
the end. We'll see how well that the Steelers have
44:09
clearly have no no problem with him because they're paying
44:12
them ten million fully guaranteed, so they obviously think he'll
44:14
last the entire season. I'll see what happens, and they
44:16
often they made the trade for Jalen Ramsey as well.
44:19
But there's really nowhere else to go here. It's like
44:21
Quentnea Metchall looks like he's on his way to being
44:23
stud and that's about it. Yeah, So that that's even
44:28
if one of the even if Ringo looks great in
44:30
training camp and it's clearic, wow, this might be a
44:32
breakout season now. But if Jackson doesn't look good, I
44:37
still might I think how he's got to look at
44:39
this because you I refuse to believe that this can't
44:42
be a team. I'm not a fan like Jeff and
44:44
Iron fans. We're just we're we're realists. This is a
44:48
well oiled machine, really put together well by a really
44:50
good general manager, maybe great general manager, but it doesn't
44:54
mean there's some flaws on the roster. And if you
44:56
want to make a Super Bowl run, with his team,
44:59
and you want to answer every question, I still would
45:01
add another corner right right, You just hit it on
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the head.
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Speaker 1: They can see what they've got and then maybe something
45:07
really works out well. But if it's not working out well,
45:10
Howie is not going to let that one spot be
45:13
the reason this team doesn't get back to the super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: He will do exactly. I think that was the point
45:19
of the whole podcast, and that's what this podcast was about.
45:22
What will it take?
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Speaker 1: What are the top ten keys for the Eagles to
45:25
make it back to the Super Bowl?
45:28
Speaker 2: And there you have it.
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Speaker 1: For Adam Kaplan, I'm Jeff Mosher. Those are the ten
45:33
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