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Credlin | 28 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well it's a business ender of the campaign, isn't it
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Speaker 2: good evening the last week of the election campaign? Good
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Speaker 2: to have your company heeds. What's coming up this evening
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Speaker 2: the final week? As I said, the campaign's both going
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Speaker 2: into overdrive. The latest polls still point to a minority government.
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Speaker 3: But Labour's votes very soft, so what's this mean?
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Speaker 2: And the ads heading the market today these are late negatives?
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Speaker 3: Will they work more on that later?
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Speaker 2: Finally, a debate about the forced imposition of being welcome
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Speaker 2: to our own country The opposition leader today is said
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Speaker 2: more than any other leader has said today about the
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Speaker 2: ceremonies themselves, but also Anzac Day, Quantus and more class.
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Speaker 2: The plot thickens when it comes to Russia's push into Indonesia.
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Speaker 2: Revelations today that Labor was told about this well before
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Speaker 2: the election yet another lie from the Prime Minister as
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Speaker 2: he continues to fuse the coalition a briefing, and as
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Speaker 2: Labor released its costings today, the global ratings agency S
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Speaker 2: and P warns the Albanezy government's trick of off budget
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Speaker 2: spending puts Australia's triple a credit rating at risk.
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Speaker 4: The real risk to our economy is labor. The real
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Speaker 4: risk to our government budget is labor. The real risk
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Speaker 4: to our household budgets is labor. And we also learned
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Speaker 4: today that the real risk to our credit rating is labor.
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Speaker 2: But THIRTI is a striking feature of today's news. POM
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Speaker 2: just shy of fifty percent of us think the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government does not deserve a second term, while just over
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Speaker 2: fifty percent of us think that the opposition is not
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Speaker 2: ready for government. On these figures, it's a choice between
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Speaker 2: the unworthy and the unready. Now, for what it's worth,
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Speaker 2: I'd rather choose as PM someone who fingers crossed might
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Speaker 2: turn out okay, rather than someone who has proven to
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Speaker 2: be an absolute failure, because the longer this campaign lasts,
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Speaker 2: the clearer the contrast between the government and the opposition,
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Speaker 2: partly because finally the opposition leader is speaking clearly and
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Speaker 2: directly on the issues that matter to people that he
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Speaker 2: must then win over to win. Here was Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: on the issue of welcomes to country last night against
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, who, let's not forget, tried to divide us
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Speaker 2: with the Voice.
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Speaker 5: For the opening of Parliament fair enough, it's respectful to do.
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Speaker 5: But for the start of every meeting at work or
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Speaker 5: the start of a football game. I think a lot
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Speaker 5: of Austrains think it's overdone and it cheapens the significance
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Speaker 5: of what it was meant to do. It divides the country.
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Speaker 5: Not dissimilar to Prime Minister, you think it's overdone the
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Speaker 5: welcome to country.
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Speaker 6: It's up to people to determine whether they have a
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Speaker 6: welcome to country or not.
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Speaker 2: Fence sitting again from Albourn easy and Australians are fed
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Speaker 2: up with being welcome to.
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Speaker 3: Their own country.
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Speaker 2: Well, as I said there, he sat on the fence,
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Speaker 2: saying that it was a matter for the relevant organization.
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Speaker 2: This from a leader of a government that can't even
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Speaker 2: open an envelope without acknowledging country and elders. When a
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Speaker 2: small group of neo Nazi extremists jeered a lengthy welcome
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Speaker 2: to country at the main Welbourne dawned service at the Shrine,
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Speaker 2: their actions were rightly condemned, because even those who find
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Speaker 2: being welcomed to their own country insufferable should hold their
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Speaker 2: peace during a solemn ceremony that honors the best of
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Speaker 2: our nation. But this descent will not stop until we
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Speaker 2: have an adult debate about the forced adoption of these
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Speaker 2: welcomes at almost every event.
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Speaker 3: Being all small at an Anzac Day's.
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Speaker 2: Service, isn't it almost offensive to welcome to country the
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Speaker 2: very veterans have put their lives on the line to
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Speaker 2: defend it. Why do we even need a welcome to country?
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Speaker 2: Given Indigenous Australians have fought in almost every conflict where
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Speaker 2: we have sent our military. After all, this isn't the
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Speaker 2: whole point of the uniform to unite everyone who wears
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Speaker 2: it into one force, and that race and religion are
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Speaker 2: secondary to their service of Australia. So why then try
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Speaker 2: and divide us by race with a welcome. It's something
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Speaker 2: that's clearly rankled a number of veterans.
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Speaker 7: I have a lot of veteran dates and having come
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Speaker 7: to aid because solely because ultra vocal to the country,
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Speaker 7: because of our Frank guide, and all these country and
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Speaker 7: all the soil have for them to be welcomes a flooding.
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Speaker 3: Face and you need to see from the differences behind.
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Speaker 3: And on that very point today Peter Datton said this the.
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Speaker 5: ANZAC Day is about our veterans it's about one hundred
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Speaker 5: and three thousand Australians who have died in service of
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Speaker 5: our country. I think if you're listening to their sentiment
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Speaker 5: and we're respectful of that sentiment, on Anzac Day, I
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Speaker 5: think their.
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Speaker 8: Majority of you would be my read of our vets.
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Speaker 5: Would be that they don't want it on that day.
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Speaker 2: Plainly, if this government is returned having three flags not one,
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Speaker 2: and having three percent of the population put on a
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Speaker 2: pedestal over everyone else will.
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Speaker 3: Be reinforced to the point of it being all but mandatory.
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Speaker 2: Yet at Dartneys PM, he's already made it clear there
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Speaker 2: will be a return to just one national flag, with
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Speaker 2: the indigenous flags kept for Indigenous occasions and places, and
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Speaker 2: that welcomes and acknowledgments of country would be much more limited. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: on the idea that we need to welcome to country
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Speaker 2: every time Quantus lands a plane, well, today, Darton and
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Speaker 2: went further than any other leader so far.
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Speaker 9: Perhaps one of the more recognizable for many Australians is
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Speaker 9: that Quantus reads out it's in fact an acknowledgment to
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Speaker 9: country when they land at their destination. Do you think
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Speaker 9: that that's an example of overdoing it?
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Speaker 8: I think that's over the top of which you asked
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Speaker 8: for them. I've I've just.
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Speaker 5: Said that I think that there should be it should
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Speaker 5: be preserved for significant events for our.
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Speaker 2: Country and personally I think the Opposition leader could have
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Speaker 2: done more with this sooner in the campaign, especially because
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Speaker 2: the resentment against the intendentization of civic events crosses party lines.
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Speaker 2: All this and add to remind people the sort of
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Speaker 2: chaos that are hung parliament will bring.
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Speaker 10: So do you remember the last time that Labor and
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Speaker 10: the Greens and the Independence were running Australia bad memories?
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Speaker 10: It was absolute chaos. So if you reckon the last
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Speaker 10: three years have been tough, been under Labor and the
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Speaker 10: Greens and more independence, it can only get worse.
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Speaker 8: Author as bail follow at the National Camber.
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Speaker 2: That's a great ad, only I wish you'd been running
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Speaker 2: for weeks rather than just hours. Right now, Dunton needs
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Speaker 2: to go for broke. As I said at the start
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Speaker 2: of the campaign, he should not die wondering because this
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Speaker 2: is a Labor party that will stop at nothing to
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Speaker 2: hold onto power, so he needs to match them and
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Speaker 2: frankly not be scared of a negative ad campaign to
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Speaker 2: remind people of what's at stake if this mob are
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Speaker 2: re elected, because labor are not scared, Labor will stop
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Speaker 2: at nothing.
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Speaker 3: Listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Tripe from Senator Katie Gallagher last night characterizing Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 2: demeanor in the debate.
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Speaker 11: What we saw from the leader of the opposition tonight
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Speaker 11: was you know, a fair bit of agro and interrupting
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Speaker 11: when it came to that part of the debate, which
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Speaker 11: I think we've seen throughout this campaign, and we saw
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Speaker 11: it on show tonight a lot of ad.
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Speaker 12: Growth debate or was it healthy debate and robust?
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Speaker 8: Was it agro as such? I know you like to
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Speaker 8: paint Peter.
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Speaker 12: Dutton as agro because it works well, but was he
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Speaker 12: agro tonight?
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Speaker 11: Do you think me watching the debate, I saw agro
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Speaker 11: there and I saw someone a leader, opposition leader under pressure,
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Speaker 11: who was just prepared to interrupt and try to disrupt.
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Speaker 10: Let me interrupt you on that then, James, you want
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Speaker 10: to have to crack at that story.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think both letters interrupted each other and it's
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Speaker 13: a given take in these debates, And if Katie's watched
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Speaker 13: any of her colleagues debates, for example, Katie's interrupting me
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Speaker 13: right now while objecting to you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, the Libs really willing to be lectured
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Speaker 2: by one of the so called mean girls who faced
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Speaker 2: accusations that she and eed of bullying the late Senator
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Speaker 2: Kimberly kitchen Or, who displayed this sort of agro against
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Speaker 2: Liberal Liinda Reynolds that almost sent her over the edge.
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Speaker 2: I did answer your questions to the point that you
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Speaker 2: ground me to the ground and ended me ended up
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Speaker 2: in hospital.
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Speaker 3: You just age that we put you in hospitals. You
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Speaker 3: just let I put you in hospital at Senator Reynolds. Well,
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Speaker 3: if so, you're the big senator won.
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Speaker 11: Nobody questions, nobody takes pleasure.
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Speaker 8: I'd like to.
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Speaker 2: Respond to you having two yell at me at the same.
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Speaker 3: Time, so proposed to Italy.
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Speaker 2: Agro from two mean girls, and then that gas lighting.
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Speaker 2: Labor will stop at nothing to win. Labor will use anything,
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Speaker 2: say anything, do anything to win.
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Speaker 8: My word is my bond.
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Speaker 3: Word is my bond.
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Speaker 2: Why should we expect consistency from a prime minister fell
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Speaker 2: out the stage and despite the fact we all saw it,
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Speaker 2: denied there was a fall, later admitted he fell, and
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Speaker 2: then delight he fell.
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Speaker 3: All over again.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing about alban easy. He tells
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Speaker 2: lies even when there's no pressure on him to lie.
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Speaker 2: And it's because that that there could still be a
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Speaker 2: change of government, especially if that old adage holds that
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Speaker 2: oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. Twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: is not an election with two charismatic leaders and a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of big policy driving the national debate anything
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Speaker 2: barre as I'm.
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Speaker 3: Sure you've observed.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's a hyper local campaign with seat by said
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Speaker 2: battles in all one hundred and fifty electorates, and it's
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Speaker 2: almost impossible to track this in the published national polls.
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Speaker 2: Meaning anyone who says they know how the result is
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Speaker 2: going to turn out on Saturday night, they are kidding themselves.
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Speaker 2: Today's News poll is not good for the government because
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Speaker 2: almost a majority of voters have worked out that this
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Speaker 2: PM is not up to the job. Because no Australian
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Speaker 2: should want to reward failure, and certainly no Australian should
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Speaker 2: want to keep a liar in the lodge.
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Speaker 14: You can't get any housing, we can't get rentals any
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Speaker 14: We have no future in this country anymo than anything.
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Speaker 15: That's kind of ridiculous.
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Speaker 6: No, no, We're just taking questions from journal.
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Speaker 12: Australians around the country are unable to afford housing.
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Speaker 16: Why did you let two hundred thousand migrants into the
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Speaker 16: country last month when we've got a cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 8: Young people being priced.
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Speaker 3: Out of the housing market.
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Speaker 10: People can't afford red divisive, dishonest, doesn't.
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Speaker 11: Care, Authorised by evil Soorry Hills nsw.
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Speaker 2: All Right, let's check in with the two campaigns. We'll
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Speaker 2: start a course with the PM. Join him in our
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Speaker 2: senior political reporter of Tritty Macintosh twenty pms covered a
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Speaker 2: lot of ground today, but he also dodged quite a
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Speaker 2: few questions from your press pack as well.
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Speaker 17: It's a political art form on both sides. This deep
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Speaker 17: into a campaign. Anthony Abernezi and Peter Dunton I have
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Speaker 17: to say both dodging questions that they don't want to answer.
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Speaker 17: We saw that today with Anthony Abernezi on this Russia
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Speaker 17: Indonesia military plane request. Doesn't seem like we're ever going
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Speaker 17: to get a clear so publicly in this campaign. As
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Speaker 17: to when the government was first advised about it, it
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Speaker 17: has been a pretty mammoth day in terms of the
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Speaker 17: pace we started on the New South Wales Central Coast,
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Speaker 17: then driving back to Sydney where the Prime Minister hit
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Speaker 17: two prepole booths, the most marginal seat for Labor in
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Speaker 17: the country been along and then on the offensive in
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Speaker 17: the liberal held seat of Banks in Sydney South, held
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Speaker 17: by the Shadow Foreign Minister David Coleman. Just a bit
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Speaker 17: of behind the scenes there in terms of how long
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Speaker 17: the prome Mini is actually on the ground on both occasions,
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Speaker 17: I think it was less than five minutes, So I
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Speaker 17: don't know how much help there actually are in meeting
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Speaker 17: voters with that scrum of press around them, then ending
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Speaker 17: the afternoon with in Cabramatta a street walk, a lot
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Speaker 17: of love for Anthony Abnezy and the Labor candidate to
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Speaker 17: lead there. Labor let's be franctioned' have lost the seat
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Speaker 17: in twenty twenty two, it did so as a result
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Speaker 17: of a poor candidate choice. The PMS admitted that now
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Speaker 17: in Christina Kinnearly, it's been a pretty colorful day, I'd
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Speaker 17: have to say in some of these prepol appearances it
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Speaker 17: was a fringe Senate candidate, not really a protester wom
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Speaker 17: who's running for the new South Wales Senate ticket for
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Speaker 17: Fatomer Payment, a former Labor senator who had a lot
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Speaker 17: to say right next to the Prime Minister about Palestine.
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Speaker 1: There is good I do not hands how many more
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Speaker 1: babies need to die for.
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Speaker 3: The side of my people?
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Speaker 7: Anthony at and easy, what do you have.
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Speaker 17: To say to Palestine?
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Speaker 2: Thanks Trudy, I will say for viewers at home that
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Speaker 2: seat of Fowler too. Of course it was the PM
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Speaker 2: that parachuted in Christina Kneely, but he has.
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Speaker 3: Now said nothing to do with him.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the opposition now, Johnny Man,
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Speaker 2: now can read and can They might say that the
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Speaker 2: media bus got its wheels stuck spitting, and that that
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Speaker 2: says a lot about the Canberra Press Gallery. But besides that,
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Speaker 2: you've had a busy day with the opposition leader, haven't you.
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Speaker 18: Yeah. Sometimes the TV metaphors just right themselves in this job.
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Speaker 18: Peter the bus on a Monday morning busy in the
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Speaker 18: middle of the city CBD hitting a bike lane or
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Speaker 18: it was the median strip anyway, so you know a
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Speaker 18: few false start lines doing their rounds, and the TV
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Speaker 18: packages I would suspect tonight. But from there we covered
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Speaker 18: a little bit of the similar ground. We saw the
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Speaker 18: Prime Minister go through today, but we began in Patterson
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Speaker 18: up north and around the Newcastle area two and a
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Speaker 18: half percent seat, then tracking down into Robertson around Gosford
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Speaker 18: a two percent seat. These are two real must win
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Speaker 18: seats for the Coalition if they are to find a
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Speaker 18: path to government. On Saturday night, we're continuing a big
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Speaker 18: blitz of New South Wales at the moment out to
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Speaker 18: a big rah rah rally event with some of the
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Speaker 18: liberal faithful. Right now. Peter Dutton is basically promising to
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Speaker 18: do a big lap of the country over the next
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Speaker 18: four and a big days. Peter he believes that still
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Speaker 18: some of the messages that have been talked about since
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Speaker 18: the budget in reply speech, like the fuel excise tax cut,
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Speaker 18: are not necessarily being understood by people yet, that they've
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Speaker 18: only had a couple of weeks to get their head
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Speaker 18: around it, that there's still a lot of people tuning
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Speaker 18: in for the first time, even though that pre poll
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Speaker 18: number is approaching or on track to get to record
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Speaker 18: highs two and a half million people roughly already casting
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Speaker 18: their vote by this evening. We'll see where this next
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Speaker 18: couple of days takes us. But the Coalition is talking up,
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Speaker 18: hitting literally dozens of seats over the course of these
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Speaker 18: next few days. One big last final push. We also
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Speaker 18: did see Peter I want to single this out. Another
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Speaker 18: baby along the campaign. We haven't seen too many of them,
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Speaker 18: campaigning a lot more behind closed doors these days. A
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Speaker 18: couple of babies for Peter Dutton and a couple of
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Speaker 18: kids today as well.
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Speaker 8: The days we will see.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, catch up with you. I'll catch
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Speaker 2: up with you tomorrow night. You're in and out of
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Speaker 2: tunnels by the look of things. All right, final week
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Speaker 2: of the campaign, of course, let's get into some of
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Speaker 2: the issues around Skyney's political contributor Critsie Yulman. National editor
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Speaker 2: of The Australian, Dennis Shanahan will start Dennis with you
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Speaker 2: when your paper's news poll released overnight. No change in
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Speaker 2: the primary or two pp for Labor or the coalition.
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Speaker 2: But what's really telling in these numbers at almost half
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Speaker 2: of all voters don't think the government deserves to be
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Speaker 2: really dead, but just over half are unconvinced that the
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Speaker 2: governments ready to garven five days Togo to a bit
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Speaker 2: million having already voted.
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Speaker 3: Where do you think this leaves things?
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 19: The high number of pre polls and postal votes that
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Speaker 19: are being made only indicates that people have actually made
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Speaker 19: up their minds, that there are a lot of people
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Speaker 19: who just want to get their vote over and done with.
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Speaker 19: They're not listening to the campaign, that don't care what
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Speaker 19: happens in the next week. They just want to vote.
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Speaker 19: And I was speaking to someone today I went and
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Speaker 19: voted earlier, big crowds there, people queuing to get in
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Speaker 19: and to vote. Now some people could argue, oh, well,
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Speaker 19: this is you know, people getting out their baseball bats
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Speaker 19: to vote against labor, or they've decided they don't want
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Speaker 19: Peter Dutton and they're rushing to vote. I think all
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Speaker 19: it does show is that people want to get the
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Speaker 19: election out of the way, that there is actually a
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Speaker 19: large level of discnect between the campaign on the media
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Speaker 19: and what we're seeing with what people are actually hearing,
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Speaker 19: and that they are just saying, right, I'll make my
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Speaker 19: decision one way or the other. It also could point
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Speaker 19: to the fact that we may have a lower while
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Speaker 19: we've got a higher level of early votes, we may
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Speaker 19: actually have a low participation at the end on Saturday
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Speaker 19: because there doesn't seem to be that connection with the
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Speaker 19: campaign largely because, as you said before, this isn't with
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Speaker 19: two charismatic leaders with big policy fights. It is an
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Speaker 19: election that everyone wants to be over, and so what
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Speaker 19: they're doing is voting early and saying get on with it.
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Speaker 2: Chris, there's still a significant soft vote out there, and
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Speaker 2: newspul on those numbers inside margin evera sort of still
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Speaker 2: says hung parliament, potentially a slim Labor majority.
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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts, Well.
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Speaker 12: I think there's only too likely outcomes now, and that
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Speaker 12: is that it will be either a minority or a
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Speaker 12: majority Labor government. And we don't know beyond what we're
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Speaker 12: seeing in the published polls, but we know that coming
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Speaker 12: into the last week of campaign when the news poll
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Speaker 12: says that basically picks one side, that side usually wins,
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Speaker 12: and at the moment it's picking Labor to win. And
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Speaker 12: in Albanize's looking to pick up his primary vote, he'll
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Speaker 12: need to do that. It's been dropping since really twenty
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Speaker 12: thirteen the Labor party, but the Coalation's primary vote is
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Speaker 12: absolutely atrocious. Now, you said at the beginning of this
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Speaker 12: campaign that this campaign was going to be very, very important.
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Speaker 12: Indeed it has been, and by that measure, the Coalition
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Speaker 12: has lost nearly every single week, I would say every
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Speaker 12: week up until this stage, so they have very little
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Speaker 12: time to left left people are already voting.
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Speaker 8: I think a.
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Speaker 12: Measure for the coalition is it has to get above
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Speaker 12: sixty five seats at the very least in this campaign,
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Speaker 12: because it needs to be in a position to fight
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Speaker 12: the next one. But by any measure, this campaign has
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Speaker 12: been a bad one for the Coalition.
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Speaker 8: Maybe they'll have a good last week.
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Speaker 2: How did you disagree there, Christ And of course I
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Speaker 2: think given the unpopularity of the PM, if he survives,
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Speaker 2: he'll be changed out in his coming term and that
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Speaker 2: will be problematic for the Libs if they find themselves
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Speaker 2: a more popular incumbent. Talk to me about that S
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Speaker 2: and P warning to our credit rating this afternoon, Dennis.
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Speaker 3: That's a worry.
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Speaker 19: It is indeed to worry that S and P is
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Speaker 19: basically called out what is a national accounting trick, This
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Speaker 19: idea that you can just shift the debt and the
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Speaker 19: spending off budget so somehow doesn't count.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 19: S and P hasn't copped that. They've said no, that
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Speaker 19: this is obfuscation by the Labor government. They're not going
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Speaker 19: to accept it. And they are saying that whoever is
19:48
Speaker 19: elected on Saturday after that they must address the spending
19:54
Speaker 19: and the debt and the deficit, otherwise Australia will be
19:59
Speaker 19: down graded in its ratings. Curiously, when Jim Chalmers worked
20:05
Speaker 19: for Wayne Swan, he made the very big point that
20:08
Speaker 19: they were the first people to get a grade ratings
20:12
Speaker 19: from four agencies. The only reason I actually got four
20:16
Speaker 19: a's was because there was a new agency. It was
20:20
Speaker 19: the first time there'd been four agencies. Now his face
20:23
Speaker 19: with the prospect of losing a rating from one of
20:27
Speaker 19: the major ratings companies, this is a very bad look
20:31
Speaker 19: for Australia. It is a very big warning on the economy.
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Speaker 2: And I say to people around the country, this is
20:40
Speaker 2: precisely what happened under labour in Victoria and it feels
20:43
Speaker 2: eerily similar. Let's go to the fual if I can
20:47
Speaker 2: Chris around, welcomes to country.
20:49
Speaker 3: A feature of.
20:50
Speaker 2: Last night's debate, quite outspoken was Peter Dutton sitting on
20:55
Speaker 2: the fence was the Prime Minister says, oh, look at
20:57
Speaker 2: that's a matter for the various organizations today. The Opposition leader, though,
21:02
Speaker 2: went further, particularly in relation to ANZAC day.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: ANZAC Day is about our veterans.
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Speaker 5: It's about one hundred and three thousand Australians who have
21:10
Speaker 5: died in service of our country. I think if you're
21:14
Speaker 5: listening to their sentiment and we're respectful of that sentiment
21:17
Speaker 5: on ANZAC.
21:18
Speaker 8: Day, I think their majority of view would be my
21:20
Speaker 8: read of.
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Speaker 5: Our vets would be that they don't want it on
21:25
Speaker 5: that day.
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Speaker 9: Perhaps one of the more recognizable for many Australians is
21:29
Speaker 9: that quantus reads out it's in fact an acknowledgment to
21:32
Speaker 9: country when they land at their destination. Do you think
21:36
Speaker 9: that that's an example of overdoing it?
21:39
Speaker 8: I think that's over the top.
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Speaker 2: I'll also make this point. There's a pole on news
21:44
Speaker 2: dot com. We talk about news Pole. It's about fifteen
21:46
Speaker 2: hundred people. This is a pole of one hundred and
21:49
Speaker 2: thirty thousand Australians asked about Welcome to Countries.
21:53
Speaker 3: About seven percent.
21:54
Speaker 2: Think we've got it right, twenty three percent say there
21:57
Speaker 2: should be less of them, and almost seventy percent of
22:01
Speaker 2: Australians say they want them stopped altogether.
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Speaker 3: Chris, is this going to play into the last few
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Speaker 3: days of the campaign.
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Speaker 12: Well, I certainly think it's going to play into Peter
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Speaker 12: Dutton's base, which is telling you something about where he's
22:13
Speaker 12: pitching this thing. But I think that it will resonate
22:16
Speaker 12: with a lot of Australians. It's not just being welcome
22:18
Speaker 12: to country when you land on quantits. If you get
22:19
Speaker 12: in a bus in Melbourne and get that into the city,
22:22
Speaker 12: there's a recorded message which again welcomes you to the
22:25
Speaker 12: same country, but it's a much more extensive one. I've
22:28
Speaker 12: heard it being played in supermarkets. I've been on Zoom
22:31
Speaker 12: meetings where people are doing acknowledgementster country.
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Speaker 8: Now.
22:34
Speaker 12: It does get very wearing. Indeed, when it is all
22:38
Speaker 12: the time, it should be kept for special ceremonies, and
22:42
Speaker 12: I know that people start to feel like being welcome
22:44
Speaker 12: to their own country is making them feel as though
22:46
Speaker 12: they don't belong in it. And so I think that
22:49
Speaker 12: Peter Dutton has a very good point here. I think
22:51
Speaker 12: it will resonate with a lot of Australians. I don't
22:54
Speaker 12: think it's going to turn this election, but I think
22:56
Speaker 12: that you will see over time there might be a
22:58
Speaker 12: bit of a move away from this from some of
23:00
Speaker 12: these companies because people are sick of having these sorts
23:03
Speaker 12: of things rammed down their throat. It should be an
23:05
Speaker 12: important thing or welcome to country, maybe at the beginning
23:08
Speaker 12: of a parliamentary session and at other important occasions, but
23:12
Speaker 12: it shouldn't be part of the backdrop of everyday life,
23:15
Speaker 12: including recorded messages in shopping centers.
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Speaker 2: Could not agree more and having to click through a
23:22
Speaker 2: welcome to country and acknowledge it in a country even
23:24
Speaker 2: when you go on a website. Does my headed Dennis,
23:27
Speaker 2: you had an exclusive story today in the paper that
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Speaker 2: labor knew well before the campaign started that Russia requested
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Speaker 2: to use Indonesian airfields. The Prime ministers today dodged this question.
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Speaker 10: In March, were you told about the Russian request for
23:44
Speaker 10: air base success in Indonesia?
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Speaker 6: We look, I don't go through again. I refer to
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Speaker 6: my previous answer. What adults do on intelligence is receive
23:55
Speaker 6: them and not do it conduct it through the media.
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Speaker 3: What we know I spoke about in the onance of transparency.
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Speaker 6: What we know is I'm sorry for adults. Adults when
24:05
Speaker 6: it comes to intelligence act like adults.
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Speaker 2: Well, I have to say too, Dennis. Adults also, if
24:13
Speaker 2: this is the case you have received intelligence, you don't
24:15
Speaker 2: flap your jaws about it in the media. But you
24:17
Speaker 2: don't deny the opposition of briefing undercaretaker conventions either.
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Speaker 19: Well, look, Peter, I think this is a very complex issue.
24:27
Speaker 19: It is a very sensitive issue. But given that the
24:30
Speaker 19: Prime Minister has talked about adults handling it that The
24:33
Speaker 19: fact is the government was told after the visit to
24:39
Speaker 19: Indonesia by the Russian Defense Minister that there had been
24:43
Speaker 19: a request to transit not a base, but to transit
24:49
Speaker 19: long range aircraft probably twopule of ninety five bombers in Baiak,
24:56
Speaker 19: which is thirteen hundred kilometers from Darwin and eighteen hundred
25:01
Speaker 19: miles kilometers from Guam. So it is a very sensitive position. Now,
25:08
Speaker 19: if the Australian government had been told about this, the
25:11
Speaker 19: Indonesian government may have agreed to it. It wasn't about
25:14
Speaker 19: a base, it was about a transit. Fine it occurred
25:18
Speaker 19: before the election began. But when it was published and
25:23
Speaker 19: the story was published in the respected James Journal that
25:27
Speaker 19: there had been an approach not just for transit but
25:30
Speaker 19: for a base at Bayak, and the government immediately went
25:36
Speaker 19: into damage control because it raised the very dangerous prospect
25:42
Speaker 19: of Russia, which is inserting its authority in the region.
25:46
Speaker 19: Very much so to fill the vacuum being left by
25:49
Speaker 19: Donald Trump's retreat. And so we have a very serious
25:54
Speaker 19: issue here, a very serious intelligence and security issue, and
25:59
Speaker 19: it was public. What the Prime Minister could have done
26:03
Speaker 19: as a adult prime minister, when asked about it, if
26:08
Speaker 19: he was confident of his brief was merely to say,
26:13
Speaker 19: I don't talk.
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Speaker 8: About security matters.
26:16
Speaker 19: I am going to we are confident it's been dealt
26:20
Speaker 19: with and that is it. Instead, he went into a
26:25
Speaker 19: complete obfiscation line and turned it into a personal attack
26:31
Speaker 19: on Peter Dutton, who had made a silly mistake in
26:35
Speaker 19: saying that the President Indonesia had made a statement. It
26:40
Speaker 19: was Anthony Albanesi who extended this over days and with
26:45
Speaker 19: suggesting that being asked for a briefing was like being
26:49
Speaker 19: asked about who faked the moon landing. Murray wat Cabinet
26:53
Speaker 19: minister said, oh, it's like believing in the Lockness monster. No,
26:58
Speaker 19: this was not the reaction. This was a puerile, politicized
27:03
Speaker 19: reaction to what was an extremely sensitive issue. That Jane's
27:09
Speaker 19: report may yet be correct, and it may be as
27:13
Speaker 19: the Prime Minister suggests that the Russians had made an
27:17
Speaker 19: approach to Indonesia apart from the permission to transit their planes,
27:23
Speaker 19: which they've done previously, and that they put in a
27:27
Speaker 19: request they knew the Indonesians would knock back and then
27:31
Speaker 19: could later leak it with documentation which Jane's reported, and
27:38
Speaker 19: then they can say, oh, we can cause trouble. That
27:42
Speaker 19: is legitimate comment for the Prime Minister to then say, okay,
27:46
Speaker 19: they're making mischief, but for him to dismiss it entirely,
27:51
Speaker 19: to refuse to address the issue, and to politicize it
27:55
Speaker 19: and trivialize it like a fake moon landing or the
27:59
Speaker 19: lock Nest monster was not behaving like an adult in
28:04
Speaker 19: charge of his brief.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't get more pointed than that from you, Dennis Shanahan.
28:10
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, gentlemen, Chris and have a good
28:13
Speaker 2: final few days, Dennis. You two of the twenty twenty
28:16
Speaker 2: five federal campaign. All right after the break, I'll cut
28:19
Speaker 2: through some of the lies of a bigger litany lies,
28:21
Speaker 2: more lies from the Prime Minister out of last night's
28:23
Speaker 2: debate and again today BLUs will cross to one of
28:26
Speaker 2: the liberal candidates, but's in a real shot to taking
28:29
Speaker 2: back a seat from the Gucci Greens. These are the teals,
28:32
Speaker 2: I might add, they seem to be dropping their teal branding.
28:35
Speaker 3: I wonder why.
28:41
Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come, the importance of the soft
28:43
Speaker 2: vote in this election, why it remains a problem for
28:46
Speaker 2: Labor in this final week. But first it's all go
28:49
Speaker 2: is that we enter the last few days before Saturday
28:52
Speaker 2: polling day, although lots of you have pre polled already,
28:55
Speaker 2: so it's time to check in now.
28:57
Speaker 3: With Liberal HQ joining me.
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Speaker 2: Campaign spokesman shoutout, Home Affairs Minister James Patterson said at
29:02
Speaker 2: a welcome thank you, I want to start with this
29:05
Speaker 2: claim from the Prime Minister to last night in the
29:07
Speaker 2: debate over the deficit that Labor supposedly inherited.
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Speaker 6: We inherited a deficit of seventy eight billion dollars. We
29:17
Speaker 6: turned that into a twenty two billion dollar surface.
29:22
Speaker 2: This was something that Phil Coory in an earlier debate
29:26
Speaker 2: already had fact check the PM on though have.
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Speaker 19: A listen, PM, look, you mentioned your two surpluses tonight
29:32
Speaker 19: and if we can just take issue the seventy eight
29:35
Speaker 19: billion you inherited was actually.
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Speaker 15: Deficit was actually a forecast.
29:38
Speaker 3: The actual number was thirty one billion, when.
29:40
Speaker 19: What it was forecast by the for mcgutor, but the
29:43
Speaker 19: actual number was thirty one.
29:46
Speaker 2: So when it keeps getting caught out, James, he just
29:49
Speaker 2: doubles down. How do you contend with this in a campaign?
29:56
Speaker 13: The promiser is literally shameless when it comes to these
29:59
Speaker 13: things like that. It's not possible to embarrass him from
30:01
Speaker 13: telling lies. That's just one of many that he's told.
30:03
Speaker 13: In fact, we're up to eighty eight lies as of
30:06
Speaker 13: today by our tracking with the Prime Minister. Full credit
30:09
Speaker 13: to Phil Coury for fact checking him like that, for
30:11
Speaker 13: calling him out like that. Frankly, I wish a bit
30:14
Speaker 13: more members of the Fourth Estate would do the same,
30:16
Speaker 13: not to assist the Liberal Party, but in the intership
30:18
Speaker 13: democracy and voters being properly informed to make that decision
30:21
Speaker 13: at this election. We'll keep calling out these lies, but
30:23
Speaker 13: the truth is that the Prime Minister's willing to say anything.
30:26
Speaker 13: It is pretty hard to shut them all down.
30:30
Speaker 3: Well, what about the liar?
30:31
Speaker 2: Is discussed with Dennis Shanahan over Russia's push in Indonesia
30:35
Speaker 2: and his revelations today in the Australia that the government
30:38
Speaker 2: was aware of these conversations, that it was briefed prior
30:42
Speaker 2: to the election, and that it is still denying you,
30:45
Speaker 2: under the rules of the Caretaker Convention a proper security briefing.
30:49
Speaker 3: How do you combat that.
30:52
Speaker 13: This is a particularly egregious and dangerous lie, Peter, because
30:55
Speaker 13: it's a lie about our national security and no Prime
30:57
Speaker 13: minister should stoop to such a low level as this
31:00
Speaker 13: Prime Minster has on this issue. As you were discussing,
31:02
Speaker 13: he has compared this to a fake moon landing, and
31:05
Speaker 13: his minister Murray Watt has compared it to a lockness monster,
31:08
Speaker 13: and then he has the gaul to claim that he
31:10
Speaker 13: is the adult when it comes to questions like this.
31:13
Speaker 13: It's increasingly clear that the Prime Minister and his senior
31:15
Speaker 13: ministers have lied to the Australian public about this Russian
31:19
Speaker 13: proposal to base air assets in our region in Indonesia,
31:23
Speaker 13: and that is a shocking thing to do. The Promister
31:26
Speaker 13: should front up and provide the briefing as his tradition,
31:28
Speaker 13: as his bipartisan tradition in this area.
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Speaker 2: It's not just the national campaign on the national stage
31:36
Speaker 2: where these lies are coming thick and fast.
31:39
Speaker 3: Have a look at this at a local level.
31:41
Speaker 2: There is a claim in the seat of Flinders, which
31:43
Speaker 2: is down the coast outside of Melbourne that the government
31:47
Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton has cut fifty billion dollars from hospitals,
31:50
Speaker 2: and there's this image that he's cut funding to the
31:52
Speaker 2: Rosebud Hospital.
31:54
Speaker 3: Well, here are the facts. There are no cuts.
31:57
Speaker 2: The Rosebud Hospitals in fact a state hospital. The only
32:00
Speaker 2: people pledging to fix it, to fund it are the
32:03
Speaker 2: state Liberal Party some three hundred million dollars state Labor. Well,
32:07
Speaker 2: they're refusing to put any money in.
32:10
Speaker 3: Again, how do you combat this in a must win
32:13
Speaker 3: seat like Flinders.
32:16
Speaker 8: Well, that's absolutely right, Peter.
32:17
Speaker 13: And the facts of these When Peter Dutton was Health
32:20
Speaker 13: Minister and for our entire time in government, funding to
32:23
Speaker 13: hospitals increased every single year. There was not one year
32:27
Speaker 13: when hospital funding declined and there are no hospitals around
32:30
Speaker 13: Australia that had less funding because of the Liberal Party.
32:32
Speaker 13: We increased funding for hospitals significantly on our watch. Again,
32:36
Speaker 13: Labor and the Teals in this case are willing to
32:38
Speaker 13: say anything in order to win, and I think we
32:41
Speaker 13: should hold them to a very high standard because, in
32:43
Speaker 13: particular in the case of the Teals, they paraded themselves
32:46
Speaker 13: as being virtuous paragons of honesty and integrity, but they
32:50
Speaker 13: behaved completely differently since they got elected to parliament, and
32:53
Speaker 13: it's up to us in the opposition, but also the
32:55
Speaker 13: media and the public to hold them to the standard
32:57
Speaker 13: they set for themselves.
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Speaker 3: James, just John, this is vein.
33:02
Speaker 2: I mean, how concerned are you in relation to Chinese
33:05
Speaker 2: Communist Party links are alleged. They're alleged in relation to
33:09
Speaker 2: the seat of ku Yong and people apparently telling voters
33:13
Speaker 2: to support Monique Ryan.
33:17
Speaker 13: I'm very concerned by these reports in the Age newspaper
33:21
Speaker 13: by Paul Skal. They suggest that someone connected to the
33:24
Speaker 13: United Frontwork Department, which Shujinping has described as the magic
33:27
Speaker 13: weapon of the Chinese Communist Party to influence people overseas,
33:31
Speaker 13: have been directing people to work on Monique Ryan's campaign. Now,
33:35
Speaker 13: this must be investigated as a matter of foreign interference
33:38
Speaker 13: by the Australian Federal Police and ASIO as part of
33:40
Speaker 13: the Electoral Insurance Integrity Task Force, and Monique Ryan must
33:44
Speaker 13: be transparent and open about what she knew about this
33:47
Speaker 13: alleged foreign interference scheme and whether she was involved in
33:50
Speaker 13: it in any way. Because Australia's elections should be decided
33:53
Speaker 13: by Australians only, not the long arm of a foreign
33:57
Speaker 13: authoritarian state.
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Speaker 3: Senator Patterson, thank you.
34:01
Speaker 2: Let's cross now to the Victorian seat of Goldstein, currently
34:05
Speaker 2: held of course by t l MP Zoey Daniel on
34:07
Speaker 2: the margin of three point nine percent. Join me now,
34:10
Speaker 2: the liberal candidate who once held the seat, hoping to
34:13
Speaker 2: win it back, Tim Wilson. Tim, thank you for your time.
34:17
Speaker 2: I'm told by everyone I'm speaking to every Polster on
34:20
Speaker 2: and off the record, that this is a hyper local
34:22
Speaker 2: campaign across the country, more so than in decades. How
34:26
Speaker 2: true is this in Goldstein and in that vein What
34:31
Speaker 2: are the issues that people are raising with you?
34:35
Speaker 14: It is a hypolitical campaign because the last election was
34:40
Speaker 14: fought between the current member and the former prime minister.
34:43
Speaker 14: This one is very much a campaign between the current
34:45
Speaker 14: member and myself. And what we've had is a very
34:49
Speaker 14: clear capacity to be able to find her and to
34:52
Speaker 14: hold her accountable for her track record. Today I was
34:55
Speaker 14: standing on the early voting booth in Brighton and a
34:58
Speaker 14: woman came up to me and said, when you were
35:00
Speaker 14: a member, I came and had a meeting with you
35:02
Speaker 14: after I asked for one. I went and met your
35:05
Speaker 14: success or tried to meet with your successor. I asked
35:07
Speaker 14: for meetings three times, I never met with her, So
35:10
Speaker 14: I'm going to vote for you.
35:11
Speaker 15: The decision is easy.
35:12
Speaker 14: Then. I was at Hampton Early Voting Center today and
35:15
Speaker 14: had a similar experience a veteran who came up and said,
35:18
Speaker 14: I wanted to meet with my current member of Parliament
35:20
Speaker 14: because I wanted to talk about veterans affairs issues to
35:23
Speaker 14: do with what happens when I pass away and the
35:26
Speaker 14: benefits to go to my wife. I've asked for a
35:29
Speaker 14: meeting with our current member of parliament. She wouldn't even
35:32
Speaker 14: take a meeting with me as well. So people are
35:34
Speaker 14: now holding her to account.
35:36
Speaker 3: For her failure.
35:37
Speaker 14: But they're also seeing a clear difference between the commitment
35:40
Speaker 14: we have made, the delivery we are making for the community,
35:44
Speaker 14: and how there is a clear difference between someone who
35:46
Speaker 14: stands on the sidelines versus somebody who can advocate and
35:49
Speaker 14: be effective in government and in parliament.
35:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:54
Speaker 2: Look, she's been a medias star at the ABC, and
35:57
Speaker 2: I guess that's pretty sexy.
35:58
Speaker 3: But you don't have to work that hard.
36:00
Speaker 2: And you and I both know that there's a lot
36:02
Speaker 2: of drudgery in being a good local member. There's lots
36:05
Speaker 2: of late nights and weekends and a lot of times
36:07
Speaker 2: spent at the end of a phone for the constituents.
36:10
Speaker 2: One thing I have noticed, though she's pretty tetchy about
36:12
Speaker 2: her record of voting with the Greens in camera, is
36:17
Speaker 2: that something that's been raised with you by voters.
36:23
Speaker 14: It has been raised with me by voters all the time,
36:26
Speaker 14: because there was a promised soul to the community at
36:29
Speaker 14: the last election that they were kind of buying a
36:31
Speaker 14: liberal light alternative, but in reality they didn't expect that
36:36
Speaker 14: they were basically buying a Green extremist and people have
36:41
Speaker 14: come to realize very clearly that if you vote here,
36:45
Speaker 14: you get Green's baggage. And people are very distressed by
36:49
Speaker 14: this because it's not what they thought they bought. They've
36:52
Speaker 14: tried to deny it, to dismiss it, to come up
36:54
Speaker 14: with different statistics. But only last weekend the Australian Financial
36:58
Speaker 14: Review did their own in our looking at how green
37:01
Speaker 14: your Teal mp is and it highlighted that both Monique
37:04
Speaker 14: Ryan and Zoe Daniel we're the most green MP's of
37:09
Speaker 14: the Teals and clearly stood out as having a clear
37:12
Speaker 14: voting track record consistent with the Greens. Something they couldn't
37:16
Speaker 14: deny it's not the liberal parties analysis.
37:18
Speaker 3: It's not something we've come up with.
37:20
Speaker 14: It was an independent news outlet looking very clearly and
37:24
Speaker 14: highlighting just how green they really are.
37:28
Speaker 2: Thanks Tim, all the best for the last few days
37:30
Speaker 2: of the campaign. Speak to you hopefully next week. Having
37:33
Speaker 2: got over the other side. Just before we go to
37:36
Speaker 2: the break, just have a look at these posters from
37:38
Speaker 2: Zoey Daniels. This is interesting. She looks like she's dropped
37:41
Speaker 2: her teal colored branding here. She's gone to a quite green.
37:45
Speaker 2: I mean that one's been defaced obviously, but she's sort of.
37:48
Speaker 3: A green and gold.
37:50
Speaker 2: And I'm noticing in the regional areas too, they are
37:52
Speaker 2: not teal in color.
37:53
Speaker 3: They are going with yellow.
37:55
Speaker 2: But we'll get to that at the moment because there's
37:56
Speaker 2: another team that's in yellow. All right after the break,
37:59
Speaker 2: how worried a labor by the significant soft vote that's
38:01
Speaker 2: still out there, Plus what can we glean from the
38:04
Speaker 2: seats of both leaders are targeting in the final weeks.
38:08
Speaker 2: Polster caused Samarus coming up welcome back that announcement today
38:15
Speaker 2: from setting a namperging for price to allow everyone to
38:18
Speaker 2: enjoy our national parks and not have them locked up
38:21
Speaker 2: using so called cultural heritage laws and the sex offenders
38:25
Speaker 2: supposed to be monitored for life that are now getting
38:27
Speaker 2: the courts to overturn those protections. But first to break
38:32
Speaker 2: down the polls as we enter the final few days
38:34
Speaker 2: of the campaign that's bringing Redbridge director caused Samarus because
38:38
Speaker 2: square this circle for me if you can, how can
38:40
Speaker 2: a majority of people say Albanezi doesn't deserve a second term.
38:44
Speaker 3: But look like they might vote him in anyway.
38:48
Speaker 20: Yeah, this is the thing about every pole looking at,
38:50
Speaker 20: including our own. The label primary is a little bit
38:55
Speaker 20: above what it was in twenty twenty two. Primer is
39:00
Speaker 20: about the same, so mid thirties, labor primary, low thirties,
39:05
Speaker 20: probably the highest I've seen it, he said, thirty four.
39:08
Speaker 20: And then we get an interesting interpretation of what everyone
39:11
Speaker 20: else is doing. And that's where I think some of
39:17
Speaker 20: the poles are going to miss out reading what's going
39:20
Speaker 20: to happen in certain seats, and that other vote's going
39:24
Speaker 20: to be incredibly impactful.
39:26
Speaker 15: It will be more.
39:27
Speaker 20: Profound and probably in favor of the LMP in Queensland
39:31
Speaker 20: and parts of regional New South Wales, less in favor
39:35
Speaker 20: of the LMP. Or the Coalition in urban settings like
39:39
Speaker 20: in Sydney and Melbourne.
39:40
Speaker 15: So we're going to get a very patch of result.
39:42
Speaker 20: And I don't think we're doing justice to those Australians
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Speaker 20: who are planning to vote for other minor parties by
39:51
Speaker 20: basically just looking at that two party preferred vote for
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Speaker 20: both majors, because that's not where the detail, that's not
39:57
Speaker 20: where the result is going to land.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So so preferences are key, absolutely key. Do you
40:06
Speaker 2: think we'll get a result on the night.
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Speaker 20: We'll have a pretty good idea as to who's going
40:11
Speaker 20: to be the closest well, who's going to be in
40:13
Speaker 20: the best position to form government I think by that night, unless,
40:18
Speaker 20: of course, you know per the coalitions you know, I
40:23
Speaker 20: would say backgrounding, but you know that their their their strategy,
40:27
Speaker 20: which is those votes they have lost to minor parties.
40:30
Speaker 20: Because this is the thing about the story about this
40:32
Speaker 20: campaign is that we haven't soo many gains by labor.
40:36
Speaker 20: It's been mainly what the coalition's lost. So if you
40:40
Speaker 20: lose them, it's probably easy if you didn't get them back,
40:42
Speaker 20: rather than getting back from the other side or pinching
40:45
Speaker 20: from the other side, it's just a lot easier to
40:47
Speaker 20: encourage people who are planning not to.
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Speaker 15: Vote for you, but we're going to vote for you four.
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Speaker 20: Weeks ago, So that could actually happen and we could
40:55
Speaker 20: have a situation where the Coalition ends up in the
40:58
Speaker 20: mid sixties to high sixties, and.
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Speaker 15: Then we're having a very different conversation.
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Speaker 20: But this is how precariously balanced the whole thing is
41:06
Speaker 20: at the moment.
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Speaker 2: What about the Liberals telling me that in Victoria, just
41:12
Speaker 2: inter Allen, there's still their best asset, particularly in those
41:16
Speaker 2: outer Melbourne per urban seats.
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Speaker 3: Is this still true do you think?
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Speaker 20: Well, Peter Dunton was in Melton on the weekend and
41:26
Speaker 20: you know I made this point during the weekend that
41:29
Speaker 20: if you had told me twenty years ago that the
41:32
Speaker 20: Coalition will be having a major campaign event in Melton,
41:35
Speaker 20: I would have thought that you were crazy.
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Speaker 15: But that is the fact now, and this reality that
41:40
Speaker 15: Labor has to face.
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Speaker 20: And that is Is it a manifestation of the Victorian government?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 20: In part sure, But I think what has been going
41:48
Speaker 20: on in Melbourne's western suburbs is in the making for
41:51
Speaker 20: over a decade. Some of us have been issuing the
41:54
Speaker 20: warning warning signs of that for a long time. You have,
41:57
Speaker 20: you have, and now we're going to see your situation
42:01
Speaker 20: come Saturday. As to what that looks like, because Hawk
42:05
Speaker 20: has consistently reported very big swings against laborer in all
42:09
Speaker 20: our research and nothing's changed to this day.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a few of those.
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Speaker 2: It'll be very very interesting and it will not be
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Speaker 2: uniform on Saturday night.
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Speaker 3: Pass.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your tom and hopefully I'll touch space with
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Speaker 2: you before the end of the week.
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Speaker 3: Red after Break.
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Speaker 2: Two adds that nail labors lies well enough people see
42:28
Speaker 2: them though before they vote. Class devasive changed to cultural
42:32
Speaker 2: heritage laws. The Coalition is promising at this election, gentlemen.
42:41
Speaker 2: Now from my final panel of the night one Nation
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Speaker 2: chief of Staff James Ashby and Sky's contributor Gary Hargraves, Gents,
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Speaker 2: we've talked a lot about negative ads. I don't think
42:50
Speaker 2: there's been enough of them from the coalition side, from
42:53
Speaker 2: the center right side in this campaign.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at this one.
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Speaker 14: Can't get any housing, we can't get rentals anymore. We
43:00
Speaker 14: have no future in this country any more than everything
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Speaker 14: that's kind of ridiculous.
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Speaker 6: No, no, we're just taking questions from journal.
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Speaker 12: Australians around the country are unable to afford housing.
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Speaker 16: Why did you let two hundred thousand migrants into the
43:12
Speaker 16: country last month when we've got a cost of living crisis.
43:16
Speaker 8: Young people being priced.
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Speaker 17: Out of the healthing market, people can't afford.
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Speaker 10: Read divisive, dishonest, doesn't.
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Speaker 11: Care, authorized by evil, So Hill's NSW.
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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Who this mob is, but these are sharp, they're pointed advertisements,
43:32
Speaker 2: the sort of stuff that lives should have been running
43:34
Speaker 2: a month or more ago.
43:37
Speaker 3: Gary, what do you think, well.
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Speaker 1: Peter, the residual anger towards this black Albanize. You got
43:44
Speaker 1: elected with thirty one percent of the primary vode last time,
43:48
Speaker 1: and basically we now know he fibbed his way into office.
43:51
Speaker 1: So the anger is there. It's tapping into that anger,
43:53
Speaker 1: and you're right. It should have been very clear, very straightforward,
43:57
Speaker 1: sharp challenge for people to get angry at him. Instead,
44:00
Speaker 1: Labor shifted it and turned it into a get angry
44:02
Speaker 1: at Dutton because he's trying to fix.
44:04
Speaker 3: Up the mess.
44:04
Speaker 1: So we needed a circuit breaker of some description in
44:08
Speaker 1: the debate, the public debate on this election campaign, and
44:12
Speaker 1: it's been lackluster. It just hasn't been there, but we're
44:15
Speaker 1: now starting to see some sharpness out there, and I
44:18
Speaker 1: think there's a result that's building because the residual anger
44:22
Speaker 1: is strong. The anger is strong towards Albert.
44:26
Speaker 3: Look, I agree with you.
44:27
Speaker 2: Look at the news poll that they don't want to
44:29
Speaker 2: re elect this bloke. You know, I was taught in
44:32
Speaker 2: politics and when your base is telling you that the
44:35
Speaker 2: heads are so negative, pullback from the negative ads. You're
44:38
Speaker 2: just about where you need to be.
44:39
Speaker 3: But right now, when I speak to people, voters.
44:42
Speaker 2: Little supporters, they are begging me to send the message
44:46
Speaker 2: to head off as to say we need negative ads.
44:48
Speaker 3: So that's very telling.
44:50
Speaker 2: Just sent an Ampergenpurprice was out there amount a Rapolis today.
44:53
Speaker 2: This is where rock climbers James Ashby have been shut
44:57
Speaker 2: out of some of the best natural climbing in the
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Speaker 2: country because of so called heritage restrictions.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 21: We want to get the balance right. So we want
45:08
Speaker 21: to make sure that we are looking after our natural
45:13
Speaker 21: environment and those culturally significant places, that we're protecting those areas,
45:18
Speaker 21: but that we're not stifling projects from going forward as well.
45:23
Speaker 21: And that's ultimately what it's all about.
45:27
Speaker 2: James, he's talking about resource projects, but she's also talking
45:30
Speaker 2: about access to parks that are common property of every Australian,
45:35
Speaker 2: not just those with a particular shade of skin color.
45:39
Speaker 3: Why is it so important, Well.
45:43
Speaker 22: It's so important because people are tired of hearing new
45:45
Speaker 22: decisions that have been handed down by our courts and
45:48
Speaker 22: by our governments that want to constantly lock everyday Australians
45:52
Speaker 22: out of some of the best places in the country
45:55
Speaker 22: where a lot of us go for a bit of
45:57
Speaker 22: R and R to take that stress valve and relief
46:00
Speaker 22: sit on a weekend and we're constantly been locked out.
46:03
Speaker 3: This is too late, though.
46:04
Speaker 22: You know, when you've got twenty five to thirty percent
46:06
Speaker 22: of the population who've already made that decision to cast
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Speaker 22: their vote early, and a couple of days left before
46:12
Speaker 22: these ads and a lot of the media have already
46:14
Speaker 22: formed an opinion on who's going to win. The momentum
46:17
Speaker 22: has been lost by the coalition. Centerprice should have been
46:20
Speaker 22: brought out months ago to run these arguments that the
46:25
Speaker 22: public would have jumped on board. Instead, it's been left
46:27
Speaker 22: to Paul Ae Hanson and One Nation to run this
46:30
Speaker 22: argument that we want to end the native title claims.
46:34
Speaker 22: We want to end cultural heritage. We've had the cut
46:37
Speaker 22: through and Peter Dutton has been left wanting those votes
46:41
Speaker 22: and he certainly doesn't have the numbers as it sits
46:44
Speaker 22: right now to form government in his own right. I
46:46
Speaker 22: only hope in the last few days Center Price gets
46:48
Speaker 22: on a soapbox and sprooks this as loud and clear
46:51
Speaker 22: as possible, because I'm happy to lose votes to just
46:54
Speaker 22: Center Price, but I'm not happy to continue seeing Albin
46:57
Speaker 22: Easy win the hearts of people through it lies across
47:00
Speaker 22: the country.
47:03
Speaker 2: I think that's a very very good point that James
47:06
Speaker 2: is making their Gary because it's referencing what kod Samaras
47:08
Speaker 2: just said that there's a massive other vote out there
47:12
Speaker 2: and the coalition would be competitive on Saturday night if
47:15
Speaker 2: they at least score most of those preferences like Labor
47:18
Speaker 2: does from the Greens on the center right, if it
47:21
Speaker 2: got the preferences, not necessarily the primary vote, but it
47:24
Speaker 2: got the preferences coming back to them. A ditto Dunton
47:27
Speaker 2: today on quantus and those welcomes to country every time
47:32
Speaker 2: it lands again. Why wasn't this spoken about before today?
47:39
Speaker 1: And timidity should never be rewarded. Look at the point
47:42
Speaker 1: here is that I've sat on plenty of Quantus flights.
47:45
Speaker 1: At the end of the flight, people grown every time
47:47
Speaker 1: they hear that welcome to country stuff, and you think
47:50
Speaker 1: it's the engine still running, Peter. People want common sense,
47:54
Speaker 1: cut through clear messaging. That's what they wanted, they wanted
47:57
Speaker 1: from day one. Maybe Pambing's stepping around things just doesn't work.
48:02
Speaker 1: But at the pointing end of this, it's always been
48:05
Speaker 1: the case that you can vote for minor parties with
48:08
Speaker 1: great respect to James, you can vote for all sorts
48:11
Speaker 1: of people in the House of Representatives, but you've still
48:13
Speaker 1: got to make a binary choice between Albow or Dutton.
48:17
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. And I think that's what
48:20
Speaker 1: liberal voters are doing right now. They're saying, you know what,
48:22
Speaker 1: I want the team that I normally support, the smart
48:24
Speaker 1: and their act up, but there's no way I'm shipping
48:27
Speaker 1: enough to vote for Alban easy. I'm going to send
48:29
Speaker 1: the message by passing my preferences firstly to the liberal
48:33
Speaker 1: candidate in my local area, and then it'll go to
48:36
Speaker 1: the Teals and the Greens and Labor because those three
48:39
Speaker 1: that troyk are about.
48:40
Speaker 15: Someone's got to teach.
48:41
Speaker 8: These parties are Lenny.
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Speaker 22: And that's why they're coming to us. They're coming to
48:45
Speaker 22: us sick to death of the Liberal Party, Mamby, Pamby.
48:49
Speaker 22: They know that we'll stand up and will actually hold
48:52
Speaker 22: the Bunsen Bernard to Peter Dutton's feet if he's going
48:54
Speaker 22: to form government, because he can make all these promises
48:57
Speaker 22: to prefery doesn't follow through week. We need more from
49:02
Speaker 22: him and that's what we're happy to give him a
49:04
Speaker 22: die with preferences, but that's it, will move the preferences.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much. All right, that's it.
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Speaker 2: That's it for the gents tonight. But I can't agree.
49:11
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with much of that. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: So tomorrow night, here's Andrew