Latest / Artificial Intelligence Exposed / AI and Creativity. Can Machines Be Artists?

Transcript

AI and Creativity. Can Machines Be Artists? · Artificial Intelligence Exposed

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody for another deep dive, and this time
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: we are talking AI art. Oh yeah, which is a
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: topic that honestly, I'm I find kind of mind blowing.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: So you send over some excerpts from an article discussing
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: you know, can machines actually be creative? Right? Can we
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: consider them artists? Yeah? That's a big question, and I
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: think we're going to kind of unpact that today.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that this article talks about
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: is deep art, which I have to admit i'd never
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: heard of before. Oh really, but it is fascinating.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: So this is an AI that can take a photo
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: and turn it into a painting in the style of
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: like vang or Picasso.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's using neural networks, which everyone kind of
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: talks about now with AI, but it's basically finding patterns.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah right.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: So it's looked at, you know, thousands and thousands of
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: paintings by Van Go or Picasso or whoever it is, okay,
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: and it's found the patterns that make that artist's style unique.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: So then when you feed it like a photo of
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: your dog, exactly, it's not just like cop being a painting.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: It's actually applying those.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Like deep underlying pattern Yeah.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Underlying patterns of the style. That is crazy, It is
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: pretty wild. So, I mean that's impressive. But is it
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: art right? You know, like, if it's learning from these
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: existing works, is it really being creative or is it
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: just a super sophisticated copycat.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Well, this is this is the heart of it, isn't it.
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: I Mean if I, you know, took a famous painting
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: and I, you know, changed a few brushstrokes and called
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: it my own, right, we'd call.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: That plagiarism, total plagiarism.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: But if an AI takes, you know, the patterns from
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: thousands of different artworks and mashes them up in a
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: new way, is that still stealing or is that creating
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: something new?
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: And this isn't just a theoretical thing anymore either, right,
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: Like people are buying and selling AI art right, So
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: this raises legal and ethical questions too, Yeah.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: Like who owns the copyright to a piece of AI art?
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: Is it the programmer who created the AI? Is it
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: the person who owns the AI you know system? Could
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: it even be the AI itself? I mean these are
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: all questions that we are just starting to grapple with.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: I mean ais art owner.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's greaty far out.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's flip this for a second, because the
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: article also talks about how AI could push the boundaries
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: of art beyond human limitations. Yeah. Yeah, so how would
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: that work?
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, think about it. AI has
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: this insane processing power. It can turn through data, you know,
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: look at all these different styles and genres and combine
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: them in ways that we, you know, as humans, with
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: our limited brands, we might never think of.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: So, like, imagine an AI creating a painting that combines
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: like Renaissance realism with like the abstract shapes of Cubism,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: right exactly, something totally new that wouldn't have existed without
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: the AI.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it goes beyond like traditional art forms too,
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: So you know, AI can design buildings, optimize city layouts,
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: create fashion designs.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: So it's not just about paintings on a wall, no, No,
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: it could impact like the way we live totally.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, what if AI could help us build cities
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: that are not only you know, more beautiful, but more
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: efficient and sustainable. And it could even you know, revolutionize fashion.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, but wouldn't that make the world kind of generic? Though?
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: You know, like, if AI is designing everything based on
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: you know, this massive data set, wouldn't everything start to
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: look and feel the same.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: It's a good question, and I think it's a you know,
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: valid concern. I think it comes down to how we
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: use the AI though. Okay, right, we could use AI
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: to you know, create a million cookie cutter designs, or
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: we could use it to explore new possibilities and create
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: things that are really unique and surprising.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: So are there actually artists out there who are using
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: AI in that way?
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a tool for exploration, not just mass production.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's where things get really interesting.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get into that there, right because I
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: want to hear about the artists who are really pushing
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: the boundaries with this technology.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: We've talked about some of the big picture stuff, but
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: I want to get into the nitty gritty, like what
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: are artists actually doing with AI right now?
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? This is where it gets really exciting. I Mean,
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: it's easy to get caught up in the theoretical you know,
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: can AI be creative? But there are artists out there
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: who are actually making art with AI, right, And it's incredible.
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: What they're doing so. The article mentions music, visual art, architecture.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: Are there like common threads in how artists are using
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: this tech across these different fields?
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, One really interesting trend is this idea of AI
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: as a collaborator, okay, like a creative partner. So it's
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: not about, you know, letting the AI just go off
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: and make something on its own. It's about using it
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: as a source of inspiration, a way to explore new ideas,
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: break through creative.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: Blocks, like a superpowered brainstorming buddy exactly. I can see
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: how that would be appealing. Yeah, but can you give
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: me an example of what that looks like in practice?
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: Sure? So, imagine a musician who's working on a new
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: song and they get stuck, okay, hit a wall, they
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: can't figure out the next melody or chord progression. They
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: can take what they have so far and feed it
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: into an AI. Okay, like that muse neet we talked.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: About earlier, right, the one. They can compose in.
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: Different styles exactly, and the AI can then generate variations
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: on those ideas and give the musician a bunch of
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: different options to play with.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: So it's like the AI is offering suggestions kind of
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: like a co writer.
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: But wouldn't that make the music less original?
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Well that's where the human element comes in. Okay, the
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: AI might provide the raw materials, but it's still up
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: to the musician to decide what to do with them,
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: to shape them, mold them, add their own unique voice
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: and perspective.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: I see. So it's like the AI is giving you
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different colors of paint. Yeah, but it's
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: up to the human artists to decide how to use
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: those colors, what kind of picture to paint exactly.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: And this isn't just limited to music, you know. Visual
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: artists are using AI in similar ways. Like a painter
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: who's struggling with a composition or a color palette, they
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: can feed their work in progress into an AI and
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: get back variations, suggestions, different ways to approach the painting.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: That's cool. So it's not just about creating the art
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: from scratch, it's about using AI to refine and enhance
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: the creative process.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like having an instant art critic, but one
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: that can actually show you what those suggestions would look like.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it in.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: The article mentions that this could democratize art, which is
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: a really interesting idea, right.
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it lowers the barriers to entry. It makes
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: it easier for people who maybe don't have, you know,
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: traditional artistic skills to express themselves creatively.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: So you're saying someone who can't play an instrument or
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: paint a portrait could still use AI to create music.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: Or art exactly.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: But wouldn't that kind of devalue art in a way,
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: Like if anyone can do it, does it become less special?
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: That's a big question, and it's something that the art
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: world is really grappling with right now.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: You know, some people argue that AI art lacks the authenticity,
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: the emotional depth of human created.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: Art, right, Like it's all technique and no soul.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I also think, you know, limiting creativity
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: to those with traditional skills is kind of limiting. What
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: if AI allows people who never thought they were artistic
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: to suddenly discover a whole new way to express themselves.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really cool possibility, right, And I
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: think that's what's so exciting about this whole thing. It's
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: not about replacing human creativity, Okay, It's about expanding the
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: definition of what creativity can be and who gets to
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: participate in it.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: So it's like we're at the beginning of a whole
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: new era of art, one where the lines between human
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: and machine are blurred and anything as possible exactly. Okay,
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: so we've talked about music, we've talked about visual art,
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: but what about some of those other fields that the
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: article mentioned, like architecture and design. Is AI playing a
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: role there too?
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. And it's not just about aesthetics. It's about
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: using AI to solve real world problems. Like architects are
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: using AI to design buildings that are not only visually striking,
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: but also energy efficient and sustainable, so like a I.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Could help us build cities that are both beautiful and
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: environmentally friendly exactly.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: And fashion designers are using AI to you know, analyze trends,
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: create new patterns and fabrics, even design entire collections.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: So it's like AI is becoming this all purpose creative tool.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, and it's just the beginning. You know,
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: We're only scratching the surface of what's possible.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: It's kind of mind blowing to think about all the
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: ways AI could be used in these creative fields. It
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: is Okay, Well, I want to hear about some specific examples. Yeah, like,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: are there any artists or projects that you think really
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: exemplify this human AI collaboration?
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's what we'll get into in part three
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: of our deep dive.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, So we've talked a lot about the potential of
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: AI and art, but I'm ready for some real world examples,
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: like who are the artists out there who are really
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: using AI in cool ways?
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: Well, one really interesting example is this musician Holly Herndon.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: She's been working with AI for years now, Okay, and
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: she actually created this AI baby, an AI baby. Yeah,
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: she trained on recordings of her own voice, and now
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: this AI baby can sing and harmonize with her in
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: real time.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that's trippy. It is.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: It is like this incredible, haunting, otherworldly sound.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: It's like we always say, AI is pushing us into
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: uncharted territory.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, it's making us rethink what music even is.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like Herndon is really using it
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: as a collaborator.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just replacing her, it's adding this whole
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: new dimension to her music.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, and I know you had another
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: example too.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So there's this visual artist refiic anadol okay,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: and he uses AI to create these massive immersive installations.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: So he'll feed data like cityscapes or weather patterns into
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: an AI okay and then it generates these constantly evolving
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: visuals that are projected onto like buildings or entire rooms.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: So instead of painting on a canvas, he's using AI
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: to paint with like light and space exactly.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is these installations are interactive too.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, how does that work?
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: So like the way the visuals move and change is
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: influenced by the people in the space, their movements, their emotions.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: It's like a giant AI powered mood ring.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah. You know, when we first start talking
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: about AI, I was worried that it would make everything
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: look the same, right, But these examples are so unique,
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: so dynamic.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think it really shows that AI can
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: be used to create things that are truly original and unexpected.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: So what does all this mean for the future of art?
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Is everything going to be AI generated? Will human artists
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: become obsolete?
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: You know? I don't think so. I think AI will
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: definitely become a bigger part of the art world. But
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think it will ever replace human.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: Artists because at the end of the day, art is
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: about communication and emotion.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and those are things that AI just can't replicate.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: I think the most exciting possibility is this hybrid future
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: where humans and AI work together.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a true collaboration to.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: Create things that neither could have created alone.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: And I think that's already happening. You know, we're seeing
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: artists like Holly Herndon and ruffic Anodol pushing the boundaries
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what the next generation
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: of artists will do.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: It's both exciting and a little bit scary.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: But one thing is for sure. The art world is
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: changing and AI is a big part of that change.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's not just the art world. I think
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: AI is going to change everything about the way we
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: live and create.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: So buckle up, yeah.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Stay curious, stay open minded, and who knows, you might
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: be the one who creates the next AI powered masterpiece.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to end it, and that brings
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: us to the end of our deep dive into AI art.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us and keep exploring this fascinating topic,