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The BIGPLAY Cleveland Show 09/04/26 · BIGPLAY Cleveland

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome live to the big play Cleveland shows his Jack O'Rourke alongside Cleveland Browns on SI Insider Nick Padoan and Ryan Tyler back behind the sticks Guys, let's start it off with some Cleveland Guardians baseball that went on yesterday before us for a quick set before we get into the Browns Ryan we came in here last night and talked about the guards for a second after that game wrapped up Where's your head that cuz we got a double-hider starting and right about two hours here?
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the biggest day of the year for the Garnos.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Jack.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We did talk about it
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: but it's just such a frustrating team because we talk about it some nights when the pitching's on and Gavin Williams just throwing out 13 and you don't win.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, excuse me, I know you won that game.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: But other games, where he's pitching like that and you still don't win some of those, it hurts.
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And to know that the blue jays were right on your tail, right?
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like you could have put them away and got some breathing room, you let them right back into this thing.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now you got a crucial series against the Detroit Tigers, Jack, where we'll get into it, Tyler Dan Burke who's gonna join the show later to discuss some Cleveland Guardians,
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Jack, it's frustrating because we had an opportunity to kind of get a little bit of a cushion at least for one of those teams that are fighting right behind us.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, the Orioles, the Rangers, the Texans, the Texans, I said the Texas Rangers and one of their team is right there, Jack, with then I believe half a game now.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Are they just one and a half games?
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, we're going to talk about Nick.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I wanted to ask you, I think, uh, you made a great comparison.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I forget if it was last Friday or if it was this Monday, but yeah, I think it was, well, there was a corkscrew.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I forget what you write.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a Cedar Point.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you kind of compare this garden, you can see them to taking a ride at Cedar Point.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like one day.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's up one day.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's down.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was your confidence shaken by what happened with the Blue Jays a week not really just because I think everything that you want to still in front of you Which is the really good news.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you definitely, you know you you're in a spot now where it's like the rubber has to hit the road But the good news is as we've seen it hit the road for this team and they ripped off the seven straight So we know that it's in there somewhere and obviously beaten up on the blue jays would have been really nice Obviously the blue jays really needed that serious for a
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: their own wild card hope so the American League playoff race is going to be absolutely bananas and you've set a check like this roller coaster ride is going to have so many more hills probably every day here on Big Play Cleveland live where after every win it's going to feel like we're on the way up and after every loss it's going to feel like we're on the way down but
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the fun part of controlling your future this time of year every win means so much every loss hurts so much Which is really just a fun part of having like a actual playoff push, but but really still at a division push still in reach to you guys like that tonight I should say today and tonight against the tigers is a double header or or do you kind of wish they were spread out at this point in the season right because like
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: If Tigers win game one, well, they're taking that momentum within five minutes, not five minutes, literally, but into the next game, right, but then vice versa for the Guardians, what kind of the same thing?
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough Ryan because if you'll remember, I want to say it was last year, maybe it was two years ago.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a year in the Stephen vote era where
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we want to swap the double header like that and never have it.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we struggled like we've struggled in the vote era heavily in double headers just in the first place so no I probably wouldn't want that but also I think they've been better in the second half but the Tigers ballpen was a massive part of why they were so bad to start off this season so I do think when you're looking at hey we're playing four games not just one game against this team like yeah if we can find a way where
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can hang around and get some length out of our starters.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we could get some of their guys out of the game early.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then when you're looking at Saturday and Sunday, even if maybe you don't win the first game with Logan Allen on Friday afternoon, maybe you still can find a way that having the stubble header does help if you believe you've more bullpen depth than the Tigers.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's where I'm met with this too.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean four games in the next three days and then you play Monday Tuesday and Wednesday against Baltimore and that Monday is a day game So you're playing a lot of baseball over the next four days.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Labor Day.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of like it and you just you just mentioned Nick like how big this blue jay series was Well you just mentioned they got an Orioles series coming up by the way they're right there too And they're playing some good baseball as well over 500 for the first time in four months Talk about playing baseball at the right time.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of what the Orioles are doing right now Jason lock and four is in some basement somewhere just like scuring up the magic for this Orioles team to come back I don't know her if they make a playoff.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's got to wash his mouth of the Michael IS hate man.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, he's all the way
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because just making playoffs still isn't enough, but boy, he's like Mr. Crocker when it comes to the ball the more Orioles like it just makes him go crazy, but um, what's your guys prediction for this week on real quick for this 4 game series against the tiger starting off with Logan T Allen, just paying for Chris Castellani.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's my prediction.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just take three on Mr. T. Again, just take three out of four.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just take three out of four when the series.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, you don't need a sweep up.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, Jack, you talked about this the most at that time of year to us, you can kind of seem like you need to start sweep in teams right, but it's just little by little when the series and you'll get to your goal.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about some Browns.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to switch you back over to the Guardians when Tyler Danberg joins us at 1245, so stay tuned for that.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: To Sean Watson, it's official.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be sitting here a week from stay on a Friday, right before our first Cleveland Browns game day of the year.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: To Sean Watson, he has been a QB1 guys.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is the number one thing you need to see out of the shot on week one?
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Competency that that's my big thing like can you look like an NFL quarterback because Jack if I'm being honest You know talking about him returning the form or or are finding what he had in Houston like I really think those days are long gone But what does
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: still be in there is a 30 year old veteran quarterback that has had injuries.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that is physically not the same guy that once was, but but a guy that's played almost 10 years in the national football league, a guy that could hopefully keep the car in the road enough to develop Casey Concepcion, Denzel Boston, Harold Fanon Jr, Quinschon, Judd Kinsley.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what success is going to
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not looking to have my socks blown off anymore, like those days are so far behind us And I've told you guys on here like even going out there training camp like it did he have moments that made you say wow like like could To Sean be back sure there were but then the next throw he would do something that would make you go up There's the guy that's been the quarterback for the Cleveland Brown since 2022.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it could I get competency week one in Jacksonville if
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I can, I think that's a really good thing, because I think this team is equipped enough offensively with this new offensive line and a cool run game and a couple of young receivers were maybe this goes okay, but if it's not competent and if it's closer to what it was in 2024, even when he was healthy.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're probably talking about a change at some point.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, the bar is so absurdly low for the Sean Watson.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of people point to that week, three home game, maybe that's when they'll make the change if they're on to, bring it to your home, kind of get a little bit of breath of fresh air for a long season.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think unless the Sean Watson is actively losing them games, which by the way is very well on table, very well on table.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get at least like to that by week six after whatever it is.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the jet game if I'm not mistaken something like that.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's before the buy, right?
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine they pulled a Sean Watson before that unless he absolutely is actively losing them games and the bar is so low for the Sean Watson.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: They know they're going to need probably at least three quarterbacks to get through this season.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: They don't want to waste one already taking about a week two because you know, you
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can't put him back in after you do that.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I think in terms of this question, what do we have to see out of just Sean Watson and not being funny or facetious in any way?
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, just don't stink.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can even be bad.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll give it to you.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can not be a little bad.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just don't stink.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's like not doing it.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have this thought a little bit earlier in the week.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And look, I know people have their feelings about tanking, rebuilding, where the browns are at, all of that.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could you could you give me competitive quarterback play seriously like I don't think like I get what you're going with this I I really do like truthfully do but I don't think you can but like can can you hit some check downs and move the chains I'm with you.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't check downs and move the chains.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I get no I don't
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: the fans he was getting blown out of games like those games were straight non-competitive over the last two years or even if I'm losing could I lose 26 to 20 and I go hey at least they scored 20 points for what's on that thing defense like if they got that stuff yeah I don't mean to get two of the rails from Watson and we'll talk about more of the team just a little bit but
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think some people, because of the last two good drafts, because you feel good where the Browns are building, people don't think that there's a world where the Browns are the worst team in the NFL next year.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: There is a world of that, right?
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who doesn't think that?
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's like, and I'm not really a chef.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Chefs, hey, turn on
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: optimist right like he thinks because of the offensive additions you're getting ready to advance your bringing among and you drafted what looks to be too good younger series all the time play this nap in the football and I'm pause I'm optimistic about casey concepts you know but there is reality where the browns the quarterback plays a business and all the offensive line doesn't shell together right you're very thin at a lot of positions right like I don't even know if there's one position I feel great about maybe past catcher next year but not this year there are two rookies so they absolutely could be the worst team really you
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: going to be optimistic about like what the Browns are building towards while understanding at the same time manner there are some trap doors like oh and so I don't want to say that two and fifteen's on the table there are there are some that's how I want to ask there are some trap doors here like like we all feel good about this offensive line but all this sudden you know injury foot for no goes down for two weeks and and I've got to
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: there's two weeks that you're probably not winning, you know what I mean like there are some there are some certain trap doors on this roster now every team in the league could do that and and say okay if you give us you know our our nightmare case scenario and the ravens who have actual superbowl expectations
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: they have no backup quarterback.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like Lamar goes down, they're screwed.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can play this game with all other teams.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the Browns have a lot of trap doors where you could look at different spots on this roster and be like, man, if things don't go their way here, if things don't go their way there, you could see their path to becoming one of the worst if not the worst team in football.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you guys give me your ceiling and floor for a possible record for this Browns team?
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I'll start floor first.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do I think, listen, do I think they're gonna go to him 15?
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's just four, you're saying it's in play.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, yeah, you have a patchwork offensive line, you're relying on a ton of rookies more than any other NFL team in the league, and you got probably what's projected to be at least bottom five quarterback play.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I get the best bottom five, rather than more likely bottom three, bottom two, maybe even the worst.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: So floor, I'll absolutely say two and 15.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm actually giving some credit to the young playmakers and what they're building towards the top market.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see a winning record, so I'll go ceiling eight and nine, which would be, yeah, something games.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Nick.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm right there too.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I actually think I'm going to take a game off in both directions.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think my floor is actually too, like it wouldn't surprise me if you're only wins or, you know, the jets who are going to be dismal and then somebody else.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do think they're way too talented to just win one.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're way too talented to not win any.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They'll accidentally
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say my floor is too, if things go all the way bad, and if things go great, I'll give them nine.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll give them a nine in a year, if Watson's humming, or even if Watson doesn't harm and has to hand it to Shador, who could get something humming and get a run game going with Quinshawn.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really do think that that's a huge piece that like everybody's kind of forgetting because we're so focused on quarterback as we should be because we don't have one.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: if they could run the ball and I know that that's a big if and that's the operative word because that's gonna depend on the quarterback play too because if the quarterback's not playing well it's gonna be really hard to run the ball we've all lived through this where they start loading the box we've all seen this with so many bad crowds quarterbacks um what were those linebackers those safety's just start to creep up on ya so you still do need good quarterback play if you want to run the ball
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think there's a world guys my honest to goodness put to prediction here.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is that monkey knows he has no quarterback And we're gonna get a lot of read options stuff with the Sean.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna put the ball in Judkin's hands a bunch They're gonna screen and dump down the fan in and white heart and Dylan Samson and they're gonna try to put this offense in a position We're Watson can't embarrass himself
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, will he embarrass himself?
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's probably likely that he will, but I'm just saying from the coaching standpoint, like, organizationally, I really think they're gonna try to hold his hand to make sure that if a meltdown happens, it's like, not the most embarrassing thing that's ever, be because everybody's gonna have their eyes nationally on what the Sean Watson does these first two weeks, they're gonna try to hold his hand in every way shape or form.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if it doesn't work out, I mean, it's on hit,
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go through that handholding now.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's fast forward a week and a half year and head down to do of all county for week one What is a successful stat line for the Sean mox and week one?
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, hey, you can have a slant or sorry You can have a screen pass go for 90 yards then maybe hey, you got a 300 yard passing game out of nowhere, but what does it look like?
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the reality is it it doesn't matter if it ends in a win because that's what the Clevver Brown's all they're asking for is win because they're not looking for anything great at quarterback because they don't have high expectations right like if he gets out of there and he's 16 for 23 140 yards a touchdown no picks like that's a great way that's a great way that's a great game to mass that's literally all they're asking for again you can even be a little stinky just don't be
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That stink don't be embarrassed don't go out there and embarrassed yourself like that's really what it is It and like Ryan's stat line and I know you guys weren't there Do what you did against Buffalo and that joint practice where the DBs were yelling check down City like humble no turnovers.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a humble no turnovers for real
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like just don't pay him a buff if the fur this past that you push down the field is 10 to 12 yard that that might be what it has to be because the That's exactly what the bear's game.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's when things start to really go awry is when he starts trying to push it down the field So if it has to be checked down city like what it was against Buffalo and those joint practices and that's just what it's gonna have to be
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now we can take our hopeful for week one lenses off a little bit.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But let's stay with it to Sean Watson's stat line.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan, if you had to predict what to Sean Watson's stat line is actually going to be week one, what would you say?
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you were setting that if you were setting the betting lines for it.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, listen, I think they're going to lose that game.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I think they're going to have to be pressing in the second half a little bit.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go 21 for 30.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to phone it.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll go 21 for 30, a touchdown, and a pick.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nick has, I don't know that he's ever even hit 250 passing yards in a Browns uniform.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Has he ever even gone over 200?
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, Browns quarterback outside of jokes.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll have to look at that.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go, let's sense that get James did once.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like it's so hard to predict these stat lines because I cuz you know, we got over a week until the game Unbelievably bad.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You think it has to be staged.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is like it is like and it's like how like how How awful is it?
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to pet I don't want to predict.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we just gonna go 6 to 20 and put up a 12 QBR
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we've got over a week like this is supposed to be the part where we We psych ourselves up, we sell ourselves on the fact that the Browns are gonna march down there and get a win In the swamp and then they're gonna go back down there week two and do it against Tampa like this is supposed to be the part of the program Where we're really feeling good about this, but this guy's played 19 games in a Browns jersey since that trade in 2022 And he's never done anything so so I don't even want to predict a stat
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: 189 yards now is a more it is more yeah.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's gone over 200.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has gone over 200 confirmed
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But not by much, I don't think.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he hit 250.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did hit two, I was actually at this game and I did not know he threw for as many yards as he did.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: So the titan's game?
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, 200, he had 263 passing yards in the game.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one ball thrown backwards.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one per game off of recollection.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, little, he averages one shot put per game.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying, but like to read literally, he threw the ball.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was giving me throw backwards though.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, don't worry that against somebody.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just like, turn, he's like, oh, it's like, like, that was a funny one.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do a Cleveland Browns confidence check as we enter week one against the Jaguars.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm simply going to ask you guys, trust it or don't trust it.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Feel free to expand on your answers as much as you want, but that's all we're looking for as a trust or don't trust basis.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start it off.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Sean Watson, trust it, don't trust it.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't trust it.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ryan.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, if I can't just say what I said for the last 19 minutes of the city, Jimmy has them dead.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He called it a massive swing and a miss in a press conference and turned around and said he trusted.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Billionaires can do whatever they want.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: So no, Jack, I do not trust this on Watson.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Todd Monkins offense.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Can I trust trusted or don't trust it?
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Trust it.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I trust it.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: No hedging.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I trust it.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I trust it.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Twenty-nine teams found a way to get 2,000 yard receivers and 1,000 yard rush.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I trust.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I trust it.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was good to say don't trust it until you roll that set off next.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So wait a talk to me and I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go trust it.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And why be negative?
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're just be positive until we see it in person.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns offensive line, trust it or don't trust it.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't like, okay, I don't know who my starting right guard is currently.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'd say don't don't.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who's leading between Jenkins and Barbara, do you know?
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Jenkins is leading because he's the vet, but wouldn't surprise me if it's Austin Barber.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So with that said, don't try.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, don't write.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, don't trust.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, we don't have it set and they play a game intended.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We can say Andrew Barry retooled it.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can't say yet he rebuilt it or I've just it.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Five new, like, five people?
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, like yeah, well, and that that like how many times that happened before even like you do we got a very rare occurrence We had Bill Kelly in here, still like I don't know about the still trusted five new guys.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's insane Browns running game trust it don't trust it.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I trust it.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Same thing with Todd Munkins offense.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I trust it
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: but there could be other influential factors for it failing.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Samson's gonna play a bigger role than people think.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about that?
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a rocket Sanders?
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, maybe.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like around the goal, many forget.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rocket Sanders scored the first touchdown in the last year.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't remember that actually.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brown's wider seniors, trust it.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't trust it.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Trust some.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Trust it.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, I trust the youth.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I trust the development?
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I trust it.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think,
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: have we maybe gone a little far?
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we've gone a little far as I say a bond, you know, going to be a superstar or is he just a good developmental player?
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a good developmental player.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I trust it, but but I do think we've gotten carried away with it this off season.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go trust to grounds it defense as a whole.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not like against the run or against the past.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: This
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, like I trusted I do I think they're going to be all of a sudden a bottom tier unit.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: No But I do think like they have enough talent to the point where as long as Rudy is kind of competent right like they talk about bringing over Not even bringing over those same principles right like get downhill be violent react You know or or what is it?
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's don't read react or something like that or don't don't anticipate right
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: React, some along those lines, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't guess.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I trust the defense enough to the point where I think they're gonna be at top 15 unit.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I still think they're gonna be better than half the league.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: But as dominant as last year, especially with the depth concerns again, one injury.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then I guess this is where I should bring this up.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is there a room that you guys feel great about it?
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not talking good about it.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cause I feel good about, for instance, the wider severs we just talked.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I can't say I feel great about it.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Two of them that we're relying on heavily haven't even touched the field yet.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the other Jerry Judy corner back.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're good about Denzel, you feel good about Tyson.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you don't feel great about that room.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is there one single position room on the defense that you consider and say you feel great about linebacker.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So do you feel great?
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think you know Carson, I feel good about Quincy, but it's not like that's a position.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're like, oh, that's depth.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Winston Reed is kind of a thumper.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do like him.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would have felt better about it with Boogie Watson just because he played.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel good about linebacker.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel good about running back, honestly, because I think Juttkins is going to be a star.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, look at Samson's gonna get more use than you think.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel good, but do you feel great?
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you're the bangles, feel great about that wider sea for room.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're the, well, this is a Cleveland Browns retry.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel great about any of you.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: But what miles was here on the D-Line?
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like last year?
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: with an ascending Alex right like last year I was at that room's great all right so there you go Ryan at them that's my answer pains me to say I don't trust this defense
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he got discussed enough, and this is what I'm gonna, this is all I'm gonna say I want to move past it.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he got talked enough about that Josh Allen in those joint practices, and I get that it's Josh Allen.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was dealing.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was dealing, and then the depth got their doors blown off in the first two preseason games, which obviously you look very little into.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of that depth is already off the roster,
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: hurts you a little bit.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Switching from verse to Garrett hurts you a little bit.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're thin across that defense of line after Alex right went down and you're thin in the second area as well.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the defense is still going to be the best chance for this team to find success.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if they're, you know, ranked 10 to 15 and not one through five.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the reality that I think we're living in here, I believe you guys trust the Browns rookie class Yeah, I do I think you kind of I don't want to see you have to because again you're talking about trust Oh, you have players that haven't well the Browns don't have a choice fairly Oh, he'll trust us and yeah, but I'm saying for me to trust them
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but again like wouldn't be shocked if one of them like Denzel boss.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm again I don't think he's gonna be a boss.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's gonna be a boss I don't think he's gonna be a bad player at all right, but like we're gonna sit here and shocked if one of the two bronzer She was a draft in the first and second rounds are bad at football No, like that's the norm for Cleveland Browns drafting wider seabers So I trust it, but again, it's not like that.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna sit here and say some home run pick Carson's question I'll sit here and say home run pick.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, fannin home run pick.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Quint shot judgekins More so than not right like
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: but I'll pump the brakes, but yeah, I trust him.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I trust him a ton.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The last two draft classes for as much conversation has been made about Kat Hickman over the last couple of days.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: She has an eye for talent, does she not because these last two draft classes that she's been elevated into that role have been really good.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so it was much conversation that there's been about her and maybe some of the fashion choices Um, that went into her availability last week.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean these last two draft classes I'll come together.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I trust both of them and I think you know You're gonna see them build the foundation of this organization around these last two draft classes If Austin Barber, you know, I don't know if he starts.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they start the season as your right guard But if he ends it
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: at right guard and for no is left tackle and perhaps a lot of avenues where this could be a home run of a draft class if just a couple of these dudes pan out because they drafted players it's serious positions of need so so I trust it I'm excited about it actually
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• 25:01
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• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Big Play Cleveland Show jacket work alongside Nick Padone, very excited to bring in Chris ReFlog, McNeil.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, how's the legal pad going today?
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good, good.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've already got all those picks out there for the high school games.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody I know, round O'Hio and around the country all excited for another, that what is this?
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: The third week, the third week now, high school football.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got both my boys in action again tonight.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of them's favored, one of them's not.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love them both, so hopefully they both come away with victories.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you got some book, guys.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hope all the parlayer with now, right?
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to be excited about tomorrow.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: 50 points spread on that bad boy against Ball State here in Columbus.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, should be a fun one to at least knock off some of the rust for our older guys and get some of the younger guys into the action.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know we're going to be talking to Tyler Dan Burke, who does a fantastic job down here in Columbus.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: on 97.1 covering all everything book eyes and I'm excited to talk to him and see what we're in store for this year because I tell you what, you know, every year this is the Ohio State book.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: No surprise to anybody.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're favored to do a lot of great things.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're number one right now.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a returning quarterback.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got not only top-end talent, but we've got a bunch of young guys behind them.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: that this should be just a fantastic season.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's going to be rough though.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You look at the Big 10.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of tough teams out there in a lot of...
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I don't know, Chris, because the Americans, you're pretty young, you think we're too to say about that last night.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was way, you massive tough.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got a lot of weapons on that team.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, watch it.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, did you see that you masses offensive coordinator last year when they went oh and 12 is now at the Browns Quarterback Coach?
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: perfect timing right just like anything else for the Cleveland Browns like we can't do anything right we always take you know one step forward two steps back it seems everywhere and that's just another reason for us to get dunked on unfortunately had a lot of it again this week you know it's gonna be nice when we actually get into the season hopefully I don't know I hold out some hope maybe we can get some wins get some positive momentum going and even if we don't at least then we're talking about games again because man oh man
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but you guys, but it's been a long off season.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been quite the grilling off season for our Cleveland Browns.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk with Tyler Danberg about the bucks and the Guardians at 1245.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But let's keep talking about these browns.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, let's start with you.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then we'll get Chris's prediction as of right now sitting today.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: September 4th, 12 30 p.m. Year of our Lord, 2020.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your Cleveland Browns record prediction?
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a good question.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely think that they're going to be right around where they were at last year.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the quarterback position is going to be the real story of the entire season.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when the obituaries written, you look back on it and it reads, if they only would have had a quarterback.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I do think there are going to be some exciting parts about this football team that are going to be overshadowed by the massive hole at the most important position in all of pro sports.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: All of that to say, Jack, I am going to make my prediction that the Browns are going to do exactly what they did last year and win five football games.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, we went all the way through and played the schedule game on the Tuesday edition of the Big Play Cleveland week.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I came away seven and ten on the Browns team and my drunk.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well you're right in the right you're in the bar.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's put it down.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're in the bar right now.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not completely drunk.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I got him at six wins.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just a notch over Nick.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got him one win over me.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest problem and the biggest variable in this whole thing.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this team has the biggest potential to either take a step forward.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or just all four tires come off.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at what's in the mix.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got four quarterbacks right now We don't know if any of them can play.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We offensive line We don't know what's going on there.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen them play together.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a new coach You're really looking for young guys to produce at a big level for what is a young team?
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got a defense that's got question marks all over the place.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a team that could take a step forward, but I think it's most likely going to take a step back.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I still think they managed a few wins, so I'm going to give them six beat that five and a half points.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or five and a half a win that Vegas had set for us.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, let's go through.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say the Brownson played four games, right?
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: If there is something excluding the quarterbacks because obviously, hey, if you're getting okay, quarterback play, yeah, that's going to raise what the win total is in your head for the support team.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone can tell you that outside of quarterback, what's the biggest thing you could see from this team through the first four weeks of the season that you're like, oh, maybe this win total is going up.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the defense, I think if the defense can return to form like how it was last year, you could see a path for this to be a pretty good football team, actually.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the fact that I don't know what Mike Root and Berge are going to be, because I've never seen him call a defense before, and I don't know how big of a replacement Miles Garrett is going to warn.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: it is Jaredverse truly a suitable replacement.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're about to find out, especially on a defensive line that won't have Alex Wright anymore.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It'll probably be Isaiah McWyer starting on the other side of Jaredverse.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think if the defense comes out and they're playing really good and they're, you know, shutting down Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young, Aaron Rogers.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the first couple of games of the season, you could see a path towards,
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the defense is gonna be really good.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have a shot in these football games.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the story last year It was just that the offense couldn't get out of their own way and then by the end of the season the defense was so beat up You just didn't know what you were going to get But if this defense could be pretty good you could see a path for the Browns that actually be pretty good Chris besides the quarterback's what's the number one thing you can see in the first four weeks It's gonna make you say hey this team's gonna win some ball games this year
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the defense can do anything, you know, I'm expecting this defense to be pretty good again this year.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know that we've lost Miles Garrett, but we've talked about it at length now, with Jaredverse coming in here, being a vocal leader in there, as well as the components that we added in the off season.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this could be a good defense, but
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the defense doesn't perform and they're going to be asked to do a lot, right, because you got young weapons on that offense, you've got a quarterback situation that's up in the air.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that defense is going to be asked to do a lot.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they can respond, then I'll tell you what, guys, we could stay in a lot of ball games.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if we stay in a lot of ball games, then it's going to come down to special teams.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm looking for the defense to do for us this year.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be my gleaming, you know, kind of beacon is if this defense can be pretty good these for a few weeks.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: which player could dramatically lower what you think this Brown seemed can do in the first four weeks of the year and what we'll say we'll say outside of the board.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's the he's the answer.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: How about Denzel Ward?
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you lose a corner on this team.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got no depth.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nick, we've talked about it how many times.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got little depth at corner back.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got guys that were cutting.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're bringing back on the practice squad who we think can help us.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're looking wherever we can to find help in this corner back room.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You lose a top end all pro like Denzel Ward early in this season.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, that defense is gonna be without a rudder.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you'd like wise if you want to look over on the offensive side of the football Chris.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd go with either Quinschon Judkins or Dylan Samson who I think are going to play a bigger role than a lot of fans or maybe anticipating you got to be able to run the football.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's maybe what hurt the Browns offensively last year because that offensive line was so bad Quinn-chan kind of became less and less useful with each and every week But if he's out there running the ball effectively you could see a way where okay, maybe to Sean You know, you'll just take whatever he gives you if you have a good run game and I think the same could be said for Dylan Samson Who's gonna catch a lot of balls out of the backfield?
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, those two players are going to be really important and if they don't live up to their expectations over those first four weeks, it would make me think Jack and the other direction, oh, oh, maybe this is not going to go our way.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, if I was like, you need to absolutely convince me this Cleveland Brown team is going to the playoffs.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you, you got to get $100 out of my wall to to place down on the Browns going to the playoffs.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: What are you telling me?
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your pitch on why this team can make the playoffs?
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: First, I'd be telling you, you're asking the wrong guy.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then from there, I would, you know, really just try to sell you on exactly what the Browns are selling everybody on the fact that they hired a defensive coordinator who's going to do a lot of the same things as their old defensive coordinator did.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: pro baller in his first two years in the league in one NFL defense of rookie his first year in the league in Jared verse and that you've got two really good draft classes that'd be my sales pitch that if Concepts the own can have a great rookie year and Boston can have a great rookie year and all last year's rookie class continues to develop
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bang, you don't really even need to have a quarterback, um, and you could be in that conversation of trying to have a winning record and pushing towards the playoffs.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't personally think all of that's going to happen.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe some of it happens, and we find different areas where we could walk out of this brown season and say, hey, this was a partial success at least, because Conceptio and had a good rookie year, or because Fano was a great left tackle.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: on an offensive line that took some strides in their first year coming together.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I definitely think there's areas where we could point to success this year, but you'd be asking the wrong guy if you're looking for me to sell you on this thing being a playoff contender.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris, I know there's nothing in the world you'd rather do than convince me to buy a PSL right now.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, especially at the new stadium when you're talking six digits, if you're getting multiple seats, it's unbelievable what it's going to cost at the new one, but you talk about me making the case for this team for the playoffs, I'm just like Nick, this team is not making the playoffs, but the only chance that they would have is if you get quarterback play that is far and above what we expect right now.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know that next going to the side of the coin that, hey, if we have a good defense, we got enough weapons.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: If everything around you works out just perfectly, the quarterback, we can have blow average or even at average play.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking the opposite on that.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying we want to have a quarterback or we would have a quarterback.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: who's doing very well, whether that's Watson, whether that's Sanders, and Watson returns to some kind of form or Sanders, all the sudden, just catches some fire, ahala, Joe Flacco, a couple of years ago, where you have just a fantastic run with one of these guys.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I see it happening at all with these quarterbacks to be honest with you, but if you're gonna make it to the playoffs, more often than not, it's a quarterback kind of catching some kind of lightning in a bottle and just making this magical run, and that's what it would take for the Cleveland Browns.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, we got a question from the YouTube live.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to get your thoughts on here, courtesy of Ethan Shum 5259.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Start, Bench Cut.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Denzel Boston, Matthew Golden, Xavier Worthy.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, start Bench Cut.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'd start,
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to do this because Boston hasn't even played a game in the league.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think in a world where Boston projects to be what I think he can be, you'd start to sell Boston, then I'm probably benching, Xavier worthy, and cutting math you golden.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fun question, but I would definitely like to answer it a year from now after I see what done sell Boston's.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan, as our disembodied voice slash fantasy god, can you please?
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would start Denzel, I would banish mathematical now cut Xavier.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, Chris, do you have an affinity on it?
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd go the same way as Ryan's got it.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's got the right order there.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ryan, all these notes.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: How to set it up, folks?
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, give me one Browns prediction that people are going to call you crazy for.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ah!
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that this is a prediction, but can I give you a fear?
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I wanted to work this in today, because I've had this intrusive thought.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody thinks that they're going to make that quarterback change, you know, if the Florida Stint goes bad, you're not going to play them in Cleveland week three, what if like a prediction would be like they stand by to Sean Watson for too long.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Couldn't you see that happening where there's the Shador Sanders chance in the stadium and they're not listening to them because Watson's healthy and that's the answer that they'll continue to give that if the Sean's Elfys got to be our quarterback and they stick with them through like six weeks turns the seven weeks turns the eight weeks
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think logic and you've got enough of the NFL insiders and maybe even a little bit of Todd Munkin saying that Hey, he's gonna have to go out there and continue to earn these starts, but a fear would really be for this brown season It's that they stay with them for too long because that kind of clouds the rest of the fun that we're talking about.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: If that's not what you think.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the hubris of the front office of the ownership of the Cleveland Brown.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could just see them trying to stand on principle, right?
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And say, hey, I know everybody nationally, even locally doesn't want this guy.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is our guy.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to stick through it.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to really just needle through this entire thing, no matter what the fans want, no matter what people are calling for.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out and try and get every ounce out of our disson Watson contract we can.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when it doesn't work out, no big deal.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because Chris if if if that like the reason why this intrusive thought keeps replaying in my head If Shidorah was close in that competition, wouldn't he be your week one starting quarterback?
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: They had every single reason to start Shidorah He fits the timeline of the roster.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's looked like the better quarterback this off season
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then, to Sean pulls out his flamethrower and blast the fans, he, you have every last reason, and then one star on top of it, and they still start to Sean Watson week one.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It makes me think that maybe the competition wasn't that close, A, B, maybe should or never really had a chance, or C,
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he's not that close now, is he ever going to be close enough for munking to feel comfortable putting him out there in a live NFL setting, it stresses me out and it makes me wonder if there's a world where you know, you guys all know how this works, you know, the questions are going to be asked and they're just going to give their one sentence canned answer of.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, to Sean's our quarterback and we're going to stick with them regardless of how this looks or how this goes or what the fans say, because the fans have been as loud as really I've heard him in my time covering the team when they when Watson brought out his flamethrower and said what he said about the fan base and they still named him QB one.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you more credible fans and I'll be interested to see if you guys agree with you with me on this one.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought there was more people saying, hey, I'm done with the Browns.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to follow them the way that I used to.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't give much credibility because if the Browns start winning, they'll come back.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But even in the years that we've been here since 99, since this team came back, I can't remember a chorus that was quite as loud as this one.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we went on 16, somehow we pulled positives out of that and people came back.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: right when we went one in 15 before that, somehow people pulled positives out and came back.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have heard a steady drum beat of people saying, number one, I'm canceling my season tickets.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard a lot of that.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then number two, I'm just not going to watch them the same way.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sundays are now free for me in the fall.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really believe in these folks.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of them are saying, hey, you know what, enough is enough.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: This, it was one thing when we were losing a lot, but then to go to this quarterback who has just gone after the fans now and a guy I didn't like anyway and for them to go back to him.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Nick, I think people are pretty fed up.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know it'll get them back.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: winning the 227 NFL drafts.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they watch all of these college football quarterbacks on Saturdays and they're sold on the hope that maybe the Browns will walk out of April with an arch Manning or Dante Moore, La Nore Sellers has Kent State this week.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to be able to sell yourself on one of these guys of being the quarterback of the future and there's going to be enough young talent on the roster to suck our people back in you probably walk out of your fantasy draft with at least one of Quinshawn Judkins are herald fan in and there is your little you know nugget to chase for this season and if they could just get that guy with a quarterback who knows what it'll look like that's what this year is going to be Chris.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, you mentioned Saturdays were going to talk Saturdays and Ohio State Buckeye's football with Tyler Danberg after the break.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back, lie to the Big Play Cleveland shows as Jack Rork alongside Cleveland Browns on SI Insider, Nick Padone, and Chris reflog McDeal.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're very excited to bring in Tyler Danberg coming all the way down live from Columbus, silent reporter for the Ohio State Sports Network Tyler, how are you doing today?
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: kick I'm doing great honor to be with you guys should be a fun one Tyler we are kicking off Ohio State football tomorrow not I was going to say high noon not high noon 12 30 PM against the ball state Cardinals what is the number one thing you're watching for out of the box tomorrow
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching the defense and I'm watching the wide out weapons.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited to see who steps up.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to see a lot of new guys, a lot of different guys.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest thing that they have this year that they might not have had last year is week one, they had the opportunity to use as many different guys as they can.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: they've got a lot of guys at their disposal.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the goal is to try and see as many different buck guys returners and new buck guys tomorrow, which is going to be a big thing that they didn't have last year until the crampling state game, but that was one week after hosting the preseason number one team in the land.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really fired up
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: about the freshman whiteouts in Chris Henry Jr. and Brock Boyd.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're quitting gilford also.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the first two names I mentioned are getting a lot of steam and a lot of well deserved love, but you're quitting gilford's also coming in as as a five star receiver, excited to see the defense.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just so much versatility, and that's what map of Trisha really loves, really enjoys.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that it's a fun challenge for him to adapt to the pieces that he has, because yeah, you lose eight starters on defense, and Ohio State is the first school to have three top 11 NFL draft picks in the same draft and on the defensive side of the ball.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what does life look like without sunny styles or a bell breeze and kale and downs?
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing I'm gonna be keeping my eye on.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: a Tyler when he were talking about those young guys on offense.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He talked about the wider severs.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one guy keep hearing there on your local radio station 97 one.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's excited.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like about legend bay.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's also got a name that sounds like a water park.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd take my kids to.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: What can you tell us about him for those that haven't heard of legend bay?
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Legend Bay, let's start off with the guy coming in for North 40 high school in the Dallas Fort Worth area.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Legend was actually a quarterback last year and so the biggest priority this offseason was to get him to acclimate to playing running back.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's super versatile.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He can line up out wide.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw him.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the first couple of practices that were open to the fans in the media.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We even saw him line up out wide.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Day said though that the main focus is getting him to acclimate at running back and to say that a true freshman who's wearing the number two.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't happen too often.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be fielding the opening kickoff.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that goes to show you a lot of the trust that he has in legend bay and when you add in the context that he missed to.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first two fall camp practices because of the violation of team rules, it goes to show you what he did those next couple of weeks and who legend bay isn't not just a player but as a person for him to work hard, keep his head down and just go to work to earn that trust back in such a short span.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think says a lot.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see how he fits into the offences this year goes on because Arthur Smith coming in as an offensive coordinator.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: look what he's done with guys with base profile that might not necessarily have one defined position, but can affect in so many ways.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think of how he turned Cordero Patterson into a specialist, a career specialist that also played Wider Sever and turned him into an RB1.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: in the NFL after about seven or eight years in the league.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is what he can do with weapons and pieces with guys like Legend Man.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if we get the chance to see him feel the opening kick off tomorrow, look out because he can run a four, three, 40.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's lightning quick.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So really
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Chris gives you a freshman receiver there, Tyler.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you another one and Chris Henry Jr. Who's a big kid that a lot of Buckeye fans are excited about.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: What should we know about his role in this Buckeye's offense, especially early on in the season?
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think if the spring game is any indicator and again, take that as you will, Nick, but, you know, he's a vertical threat.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had a 40 plus yard catching that ball game.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's also got great mobility.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: A German Matthews Jr. who's gone up against him in camp was talking about he has really unique bend for his size at six, six.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's also just a really great guy, Chris Henry Jr., very mature, very wise beyond his years, comes from a great family.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the late Chris Henry senior played in the NFL.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, his sister, Sainee plays women's basketball for Ohio State younger brother to Marcus.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, is, is a five star recruit.
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the top players in his great in the nation.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they have even a Chris who say his youngest sister is actually going to be a stud volleyball player.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But first off, outside of, you know, just getting to meet Chris and looking up, hey, how you doing?
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's really tall, but he's just, he loves being at Ohio State.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's really enjoyed the experience so far and a family is very important to him and football is very important to him And I think that he's got a lot of great tools and athleticism that we're really gonna see flashes as the year continues
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler, I think it's no secret that outside of seeing what happens with this defense and getting a bunch of new starters, and it's going to come down to the right arm of Julian St. with how far this buck guy's team is going to go, and how often he can get the ball out to guys like Brandon and his end Jeremiah Smith, what is the biggest area of growth you've seen from Julian St. in this offseason?
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the growth begins with this voice.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you talked to anybody around Columbus.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure, I'm sure Chris, you've heard a lot of it being in the area.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: His growth as a leader has really, really taken a lot of people.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: not by surprise at all, but just it's taken, I think people's reception and Julian to even further have a level that a guy who, I mean, he was in New York last year as a Heisman finalist at, you know, being a red shirt freshman.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think his growth as a leader has been monumental and he really showed some great leadership last year.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... his body he's developed into his body it's body by morati mick morati the striking conditioning coach on blind days given coach morati who's been really in an ace of the program sleeves is the urban mire days uh... a lot of credit for his ability to develop quarterback we hear a lot of that
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: offensive coordinators and head coaches being the ones that develop the quarterbacks, including the quarterbacks coach.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the straightening conditioning coach is such an underrated person in developing the quarterback, you know, he makes Julie and Saiyan when they're lifting and in the weight room coach.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were saying that Mick Morati makes the quarterback call things out to the team while they're doing workouts and they're going through things creating conflict in the weight room.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to help build the voice.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then also with his legs, I think Julian Saine's ability with mobility can be another notchianist game that he will look to unlock from the off season and into the regular season because you know, there are some times where you have to win the games with your legs and extend plays.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: one of my favorite stats and courtesy of CFB film room, you know, Julian Sand was one of the better quarterbacks when he was facing pressure last year.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he did get sack 10 times in the CFP and it made things tough for him to throw under pressure, but when he was under the rest last year, he was still completing his passes at over 62% which was was pretty incredible of a clip.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: about let's go to some of that returning talent talk a little bit about Jeremiah Smith and then I'm also interested in the running back room somebody who I love the name so he's easily memeable so I love it whenever he gets carries that's bow jacks and talk about what they did in the off season and what to expect from both of those guys this upcoming year.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first off, Bo Jackson, the pride of Villa Angela St. Joseph, planned for Jeff Rodski, who also coach Travis Kelsey at Cleveland Heights.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's a local guy, Bo, Jack.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you'll love this.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had over 500 is senior year at VASJ or his junior year at VASJ.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just as good of a baseball player in a track star as he is a football player.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He literally, he literally is like, Bo Jackson.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jack says, yeah.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: a couple of generations later, but I think with Bow and Isaiah West, these are two guys that are coming in.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They missed the spring with shoulder surgeries just to touch things up from the past year.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bow missed
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of his senior year due to injury, Isaiah West missed a lot of his senior year due to injury.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for them to come in and make immediate impacts as a freshman, Bota be the fifth true freshman, thousand year pressure and program history is pretty and comparable.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the biggest key for Bowe heading into this year, guys, is getting into the second level and being more explosive.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Ryan Day has been really, really, he's been very,
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, complimentary of both in improving that in camp.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, just going to put that out onto the field.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Isaiah West, Coach Dave, and said it, he had, if not the best, one of the best off seasons of any player on the roster this year and just his, his,
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: physical outlook and make up and just where he attacked things in the offseason heading into the year.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a guy.
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we saw him take some first team reps, the first couple of days of fall camp.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, everybody had great things to say, paint Pierce linebacker was was singing his praises from the defensive side of the ball.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Usually like defensive linemen get asked about the running backs, but not always the
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: some of the running backs.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that it's been nothing but consensus praise on Isaiah West and Bo Jackson and then Jacobie Jackson is a seventh year player that comes in from Florida.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a guy that I think that they can rely on for some veteran presence.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He can I mean he can catch the ball out of the back field as well.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they give it to him in some gold lines and areas.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So interesting, nugget about the buck guys, they bring in Jackson and they
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State's the only team right now and again, you know, things are crazy in college football given the last 24 hours.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as of right now, Ohio State's the only team in the nation to have two seven-year players.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they've definitely gotten a little bit older and they've got more experienced.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tyler my inch Tyler seven seven-year players.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like I
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we can zoom out, just how crazy is that, and then obviously parlay that with what's going on with LSU this past week and some of the eligibility hearings that have happened around college football elsewhere, I do think that this is kind of notable Tyler as it pertains to the buck eyes because these are some teams that you could potentially run into in the college football playoff.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: no doubt and you know it's so interesting because it's kind of like two ends of the spectrum Nick because it's interesting that they have you know a pair of seventh year players but also two they're the fifth youngest team by age standards in the power for this year
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think my biggest takeaway from that is they've got that veteran presence, they've got freshmen and sophomores that are either going to come in and they're going to play and have earned the chance to play, they've got some underclassments and juniors that have already had experience.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you look at the defensive side of the ball, you know, they lose eight starters and they are, you know, one of the youngest teams among the powerful
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's 78 combined starts between those transfers, like Earl Little Jr., the defense of back, Terry Moore, another defense of back, playing safety.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Christian Allegro coming in.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a guy I'm really excited about.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this dude had two tackles for loss against Ohio State last year with a broken arm.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just unbelievable like the toughness that it takes for somebody to have that.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now, I mean, that he definitely caught the staff.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: attention alone just by playing let alone his performance in that ballgame.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to see how the the age and experience pairs is, you know, this season unfolds.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited about this Ohio State team and after this offseason, the fact that we finally get to see this product on the field week one and then into a big week two matchup at Texas, it's exciting.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler before we make you pull a bow Jackson and go go from the gridiron over to the diamond.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have to ask you about the expectations for this buck guy's team.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your give you the record prediction do we win a big ten title now we do you win a big ten title do you go to the college full playoffs win a nanny what happens to the Ohio State buck guys this year.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the players and the coaches that win the big 10 title, but I think that, you know, for this team, that hasn't won a big 10 title since 2020.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is certainly a goal of theirs.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they listed out every year.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The goal is to beat Michigan and they can do that at home for the first time in a while.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: and then you go on and you win the big ten title and then you keep going and ultimately the goal at the end of the day is to win a national championship and I think that coming in with the preseason number one ranking in both the coaches and AP polls.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it just continues to solidify that national championship aspirations are in the air and Columbus and I think that's you know
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: they want to do as much as they can, the schedule is daunting.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right-day call that a monster, you know, this might be the toughest, this might be the toughest schedule that Ohio State is faced.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people's lifetimes, you know, they have the opportunity, but when it's all said and done,
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: they could be playing 11 teams that were ranked in the in the pre-season top 25 when you look at the regular season postseason and beyond.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that they have the talent to win at all.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it and they've got the coaches to lead this team to an national championship.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I think that the schedule is is a very daunting task, but if there's if there's a staff, if there's a group, if there's a team that that can weather the storm, it's definitely, uh, it's definitely Ryan Day and the program that he's built here in Columbus.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Switching on over and now to the ball diamond and talk about our Cleveland Guardians.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Coming off of the tough, three games set with the Blue Jays dropped the last two after wearing the first one of the gav on the mound.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler, normally you'd be sad.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like dang, hey, this could be a little rain cloud in the season, but luckily you get the flip-it right around and you got four games starting off with two today against the Tigers.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just how big is this series for this ball club?
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's fun to see the Tigers and Guardians battle it out this late the season and you know Detroit still got some stuff to play for as well because you know they do this every year where they it takes them a while to get things going.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: and then it's like they're one of the best teams.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see the Tigers winning percentage after the All Star Break over the last four years and see where ranks compared to a lot of the teams in the AL.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge series for our guard's guys.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think also two given what happened with the Orioles this past week.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think what them dropping four out of their last five, the White Sucks dropping three out of four of the Astros.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And with the guardians, only taking one out of three against the blue jays, this is the best case scenario heading into this this four game in three day stretch.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there might be a solution to the fact that the bats just go silent?
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody young on this team?
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that could step up consistently that would be able to provide that boost that we're looking for in the playoffs?
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or does it come from a veteran like Hozy?
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Does it come from Stephen Kwan?
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where are we going to get any kind of an offense if we want this team to make a run?
• 58:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm really excited to see what on Hell had out as from this time moving forward.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he's definitely brought a spark and a boost to the ball club.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know defensively a couple days ago, didn't have the game that he was looking for.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the way he handled himself post game as well with Transliteragi Rivera, like that's a really great thing.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, getting to see on Hell in 2024, broadcasting for Lake County Captains.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy's a gamer.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: there's no there's nobody that has more fun at the ballpark than on how hell now and and you can tell like from the moment he stepped onto a bickly ball diamond nothing is fit phased him so i i think that that's a guy that they might they might look to um for some crucial at bats is this as the season rolls along for the september push um you know i i wonder september cult wise you know maybe maybe Daniel Schneeman
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that his versatility at least like as a late game defensive replacement to just try and win ball games.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a guy that he just wants to go out and win and do whatever he can to help the ball club.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stephen Quann this team isn't where it is right now if it's not for Stephen Quann since July 1.
• 59:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Jose Ramirez, if there's ever a time for him to return to the Jose Ramirez of your, this is it.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey Tyler, not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but looking ahead on this Ohio State schedule to week two against Texas, man is that gonna be a fun quarterback matchup of Julian Sane and Arch Manning that I think a lot of our Browns fans are gonna have an eye on.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think there's, uh, they announced there are going to be two scouts from the Browns at the Ohio State Ball State Game this weekend.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think of how many scouts are going to be in Austin next week.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, yeah, you're right.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because Julie and San, uh, in our expanding are two different quarterbacks, even from when they played week one.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think, arch that the game, you know, listening to some some podcasts with Texas, uh, insiders and hearing, uh, Craig Way, their fantastic voice and long horns
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it seemed like the consensus is it took about five or six games for the game to slow down to arch last year.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he was talk 10 in the FBS in most of every passing category over the last six, seven games out of the season last year.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then for Julian, I mean, that's a, you know, Ryan Day used the analogy last year.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Looking at Julian saying and the look in his eyes at the end of last year compared to where he was week one, it's like a, it's like a sailor returning from sea looks a little more grizzled he looks a little more season he looks like he's seen a lot and seen enough where he's he's a completely different person from the one that set sail to begin the year.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, to see where these guys have honed in their skills and their experience over the last year and to put it back on on the field week to an Austin, I'm really excited for that as I'm sure most of the state of Ohio and the state of Texas are.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler, I want to ask you because you are nine times the baseball mind that I am sitting up here right now, because you got the chance to watch Travis Pazana up close in person for a lot of the season so far down in Columbus.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And by no means am I out on the guy or do I think all like this guy is going to stink, but
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little bit worried about how things have gone to this point specifically more so after the All-Star Break with Travis Pazana, because you kind of bring me back down to Earth like what what is it about this ball player that whether it it comes back in September and you start lying in the ball in the gaps or you start to need a couple more homers or it's working on the defense in the offseason why should I stop worrying about Travis Pazana?
• 1:02:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the biggest at best, check our, as you know, are in September and October.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is where everything starts to become magnified and the moments get bigger, the stages larger, the lights are a bit brighter.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody, and I mean nobody, that loves the big moments more than Travis Besana.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: we've seen every level he's gone and I know he's he's definitely um he's definitely calmed cool off a little bit as as the years gone on and since he really you know solidified himself as as an all star caliber player as he deservedly went to filly but I think that as we start to turn to the post season and the push for the playoffs
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know Travis Bazana, he's he's clutch.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He loves those moments when there's two outs and runners in scoring position.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He loves, you know, winner take all games.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw that pretty early on when he was in Lake County and then, you know, you're wondering, well, that's that's high A and then he did that at AA and then he did that at AAA, even, you know, when he was wasn't even racking up the hits last year in AAA Columbus to start.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think there were some games where he really just broke it up and hit a hit a walk off home run.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that was his first AAA home run.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: He likes the big spots and I think that's what separates Travis Pazana from a lot of players in the game is that he will meet the moment and I'm very confident that he will meet the moment when that time comes again.
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody that he works very, very hard and you watch his body language in the box.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very critical of himself, and he's very analytical.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very intelligent, and he's a baseball junkie.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He cares about the game.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very adamant and very astute about his swing and his presence at the play and his pitch selection.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy's a gamer, and that's what you want.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you want in months like these.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So for everybody out there, that's
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Still questioning Travis Besana, curious about Travis Besana, just take a deep breath and, uh, and believe because, I mean, this guy, when he's at the top of his game, when he's confident and, and you see in beach balls in the box, um, there's, there's really no limit on what this guy can do.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I, I'm really confident that, that he can turn this thing around.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That, that was the breath of fresh air.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I needed today, Tyler.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 1:04:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: How but another guy you had a front seat to see chased a lot or take me home West Virginia.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us about him coming back off the injury now.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to provide a spark you think going into this postseason for us if we make it?
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Chris we saw I especially last Sunday we saw that he can really provide a spark.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just you can be a right hand pitcher.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can be a left hand pitcher and a lot of just going to make you pay.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that he can see a fast ball up and in from a left hand turn on it.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it really doesn't matter.
• 1:05:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think his ability to hit lefties is just such a tool for a left-hand heavy line-up because he can just really break things up in Steven Votes order.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: to see what CDL can do here during this stretch because, I mean, especially to like the hits, they come in bunches.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a very confident hitter one.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: All it takes is one knock to really get him going.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we, I think we're, we're going to be seeing some of the lotters best in September and heading into October, really, really pumped to see the lotter year, if he can get into the playoffs.
• 1:06:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is guy that debuted in the playoffs.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: last year.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to see year two of chased a lot or one year after he's playing center field in game one of the wild card like to see that progress from then to now it can be a very exciting time for Tyler.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get you out of here on a choose your own adventure question.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do the Cleveland Guardians make the play off and if so how far do they go?
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I, you know, class at full, I think the guardians are making the playoffs.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely think so.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: that realistically, I mean, if this team gets hot, we've seen when this team gets hot, this is somebody that can take any team to at least five games in the ALDS.
• 1:06:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that at least the fifth game of the ALDS is where this team can go and, and if they make the American League Championship series, I think given everything that's gone on this season,
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: be injuries, you know, that the guys like Jose and even Chase being being sideline with some time.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that would be a big success for the front office, that'd be a big testament to the starting rotation.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they're able to hold their way and carry this team with really six guys from game one to game one 62 and beyond.
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's also, you know, a testament to the young guns and the depth
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: that is offensively in the in the system right now, because I think we've seen, you know, Chris Hayntonetti and Mike Turnoff, they haven't shied away from turning to the young guys in AAA and giving them opportunities and giving them at bats and going,
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: out on the deadline to to make moves.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know that that shows you where they see this team can go in the postseason this year if they can make it because you know they if they didn't see that then who knows if they would have made those moves to go out and get Joe Adele and get foster Griffin and beyond.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Nathaniel Lo has been a nice punch from the left side of that first.
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this team can, this team can get through and you know, to a winter take all game in the American League division series and and maybe see if they can go to the ALCS because the American League is just wide open right now anybody can really anybody can really take the American League pen it so it buckle up guys is going to be really exciting.
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got one more for him just because I'm curious because you do such a fantastic job Tyler down here in Columbus on 97.1 doing the sideline reporting for the buck guys I've always wondered.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is that like to be down there when you've got over a hundred thousand people packed in this shoe?
• 1:08:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got the band coming on the field coming off the field.
• 1:08:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got cheerleaders.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got so many distractions and there's just so many people in such a packed space.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And here you have to get sound bites.
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to report up.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is your job like, Tyler?
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it's, it's, it's fun, it's, it's exciting.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's something where you're adrenaline rushes like it hasn't before.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's, it's hard to hear yourself think while you're down there, no doubt.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, a lot of it can be right place right time of what you're seeing on the sidelines.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, sometimes you, I think that the way, the way to describe it, um, is you're trying to use all your five senses.
• 1:09:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: to help try and see and hear things that the fantastic Hall of Famers, Paul Kills, and Jim Lashay might not be able to see or hear from field level and to try and maybe see something that can help start a conversation or keep a conversation going.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Having guys like Paul and Jim, if it's something during a break or during the broadcast that they'll bring something up,
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the light bulb will go off in your head, maybe Jim mentioned something that he saw in practice that's led into a development on the field that'll kind of peak my interest and then I'll try and I'll try and go in that direction and try and find something on the sideline whether it pertains to a player or a coach or something that you're seeing on the field that Jim brought up to try and investigate a little bit more so you're being a little bit investigative you're you're trying to be the eyes and ears of the fan.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's the really exciting part of it.
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you, you allow yourself to think like a fan a little bit, think like a journalist obviously because, you know, that's another big part is is reporting on injuries and trying to bring an information what you're seeing on the sidelines.
• 1:10:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's been a really fun job and just really been enjoying the experience and the people around it.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler, you're crushing it down there in Columbus.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll definitely have you back.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd maybe talk about some sane v-maning here coming up in a week or two.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take a break here on the Big Play Cleveland show and we're back.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're heading to Cleveland Sports Court.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Big Play Cleveland show.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is time for court.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Judge Jack alongside Dinkford and Chris.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Reflog.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: McNeil, guys.
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Case number one, the people versus Tanner Bivie.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: The charge towards Tanner Bivie and his big contract is impersonating an ace.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: The prosecution.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland needs its top starter, biggest one of the biggest games of the season last night, kind of lays an egg, and they'll be leading 15th loss of the year, 1 in 6 over his last 8 starts, the defense for Tanner Bibi being that wins and losses aren't exactly a pitcher stat much like it can be for a quarterback as well, and Cleveland's inconsistent offense has plagued by the just as much as his own pitching.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, where do you fall on Tanner Bibi?
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, guilty Jack.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that this is the ace of the staff.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Gavin Williams is the ace of the staff.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: He proved it this week.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly think in a playoff series, I'm probably pitch in Parker Messick ahead of Tanner by these as well.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is guilty as charged there for me.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to agree.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also going to say guilty.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think in Tanner Bibi's case, I think some of the lack of run support early on in the season.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it war on and or something because right now he's just not pitching very well.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the Tanner Bibi we had seen earlier in the season.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully for the playoffs, he returns to form and returns middle of the rotation form.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be after those two affirmate aforementioned pictures that we've already got out there.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, Tanner Bobby is guilty of impersonating an ace because this is Parker Messick's rotation and anyone who tells you otherwise is crazy because he's going to win the sion after Dylan sees falls off in September.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Gavin.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I think Parker's in the sion race, you got to put him over Gavin game one, right?
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's going to be a close one.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you go with experience.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, I like having a, throwing a last sea out there to its fun.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're getting, you're making the other team not play their normal everyday lineup and game one.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a good vibe about that.
• 1:12:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess we do have a month to get through before we get to that conversation.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Case number two, the people versus myos Garrett, the charge, myos Garrett did not do enough to change the Browns losing culture, the prosecution.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Garrett is the face of the franchise.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the best defensive players in football in one of Cleveland's highest-paid players ever in sports.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: At some point, should the Brown's biggest star bear some responsibility for its team that continues to lose over and over again.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense of my was Garrett is what else do you want the guy to do?
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He went out and broke the NFL sack record last year, literally playing the best season of all time at his position.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a little LeBron 1.0.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think when it comes to Miles Garrett, just because I think from an on-field perspective, Miles did everything that he possibly could.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: From an off-field perspective, sure, maybe you could have had a little bit more leadership, maybe you could have had a little bit more mentorship for some of the young players on the roster and overall, just being a little bit more of a team guy.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I really think, you know, we've made so much out of the leadership thing.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about just falling in line with what a coaching staff wants you to do?
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about just showing up to the voluntary offseason program?
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even if you're gonna stand off to the side or do your own work, just showing up to be there to be a face of the organization.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Miles never wanted to do that here.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like he's doing a little bit more of it already.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Out there in Los Angeles, so maybe he learned from his experience in Cleveland.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they asked him to do that more in LA.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, this is just such a tricky one Jack because on the field he did everything that he possibly could.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he definitely, I would never accuse miles of being a leader.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess for that, I have to say that he's guilty, right?
• 1:14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Chris.
• 1:14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say he's not guilty.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just not built to be that type of a leader.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know what they're talking about right now out there in LA and that's what they always say.
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You always overcompensate for some of the whispers you hear about a guy when you bring him on to your team and you overcompensate and
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did it with O'Dell.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, yeah, we were saying what a leader O'Dell is when he posted himself on his Instagram story in a brown hoodie.
• 1:15:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how long that really lasts out there.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's fine.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We drafted him first overall.
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a tremendous talent.
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was in a Hall of Fame talent for us.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you ask for.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't going to be the leader that we really want out of a defensive player, but how many leaders?
• 1:15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He'd need to have some followers too.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you have followers, there is good as Miles Garrett and can find one leader and then 10 other followers is good as Miles Garrett, you'll be the best defense ever, right, ever in the NFL.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So not everybody can beat that type of a leader, so not guilty for Miles Garrett.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did everything he we asked him for on the field.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not guilty for Miles Garrett.
• 1:15:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Miles Garrett was paid to sack the quarterback, not to babysit a bunch of jackasses.
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to say that he is in fact not guilty and his teammates might have failed him at some point in time throughout those losing seasons.
• 1:15:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Case number three, the people versus Cleveland, Guardians fans, the Guardians are in the middle of fighting for an ale wild card spot, playing meaningful baseball on September 4.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The obscene theorem year in a row, the Browns are rolling out to Sean Watson in front of our eyes once again, and we are still mad at the Guardians.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense, though, is it about being competitive anymore?
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The guards have been the youngest team in baseball and the youngest playoff team nine years in a row.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've done nothing really in terms of bringing in free agents since Jose Ramirez, signed both of his sweetheart deal extensions are the Cleveland Guardians, or sorry, our Cleveland Guardian stands guilty of expecting too much from the small club.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jack, I think so, and fans are allowed to do whatever they want to, because we've been waiting for this world series for decades and decades and decades until you get one, I think the fans are right to be upset that this organization is not delivering one yet at the same time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I look around baseball and I see a lot of these loser organizations.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're kind of making fun of Jason locking for us for being Mr. Crocker when it comes to Michael
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad I'm not an Orioles fan.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even though the Kansas City Royals have won on their shelf from 2015, I'm glad I'm not a Royals fan.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I do lie to either be a Royals fan though.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I have the world series.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I would, just because that was fleeting and I don't think that they've shown any semblance of having any sort of ability or interest in trying to get back to that point.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where I know the guardians always want to contend to be good.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a year similar to what Tyler Danberg said you get into the playoffs Then anything can happen.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously you need to lead starting pitching once you get in there You need your bullpen to be a lot better than it's been when you're getting there You need this offense to be consistent once you get there So you control really your fate once you get to October I just don't know that there are any elite teams including the guardians who are not elite But they are very good and I'll take being very good so
• 1:17:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give Guardians fans a guilty verdict here that they're taking their playoff teams for granted just because there are some other teams in town, the Browns who struggle just to get there.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Chris, yeah, I'm going to agree with you.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's nothing wrong with it by the way.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we are guilty as a fan base of taking the guardians and their playoffs and making these appearances for granted the same as we are with the calves.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because we have expectations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: down here in Columbus.
• 1:18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just talked to Tyler Danburg, Ohio State.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We take Ohio State making the playoffs for granted.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think so because that's the expectation.
• 1:18:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: We pour so much into that team.
• 1:18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You expect them to darn well make the playoffs and we expect championships.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for the guardians, we've seen them make the playoffs for years and years and not finally landed and not finally get that championship.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I side with the fans here, we're guilty as heck of this of just, you know, being sick of just kind of making the playoffs and taking them for granted, because we've seen it before.
• 1:18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now we need to see them go to the next level.
• 1:19:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland Guardians fans, despite what everyone else here is going to tell you, I'm going to absolve you, you are not guilty whatsoever because you've been waiting for a world series for I think it's like 75 years now and this team has gotten so close, which is awesome as we've said, but could they simply have throw in 20 more million dollars on top of it, maybe one time you're looking at a world series in my opinion.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Case number.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: four.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: The people versus four to Sean Watson.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The charge is stealing the joy from Cleveland Brown's football fans amongst the many other charges that he has received.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He'll tell you.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He'll tell you you're on her.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even need to hear it.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even need to hear it.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, strike the gavl.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one's over.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He'll tell you.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: guilty.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I should have hit it a couple more times.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, number five, the people versus Cleveland sports fans, the charges that we as a bunch are, quote, addicted to negativity, the prosecution.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: The guards are fighting for a playoff spot.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're completing it.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not world series contenders.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Brown 7 played a game yet.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're already sitting up here, saying the season's over.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick and I, how many quarterback games have we mentioned from the 27 to 27 could be class on their show.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like I think nine, maybe they're my name be that money.
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ohio State hasn't kicked off.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're asking Tyler Danberg first question.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What could go wrong this season?
• 1:20:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the defense?
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland Sports fans have provided Cleveland Sports have provided their fans with some pretty
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: crazy evidence over your to justify just the disasters that we're always waiting for the impending doom of being a cleavance sports fan guilty or not guilty cleavance sports fans being addicted to their misery i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i
• 1:20:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you could only react to the material that you're given to react to.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if the material itself isn't very good, what's the reaction going to be?
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we are absolutely not guilty.
• 1:21:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so thankful for each and every one of you.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Still, I've to support Steve's every single day despite what it's done to your mental health.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to assume decades at this point in time.
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get some Cleveland headlines for Monday.
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: How about that?
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we had some fun with that last Friday.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can everyone give you their prediction for when we go live at noon on Monday on Labor Day?
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: What will be the number one headline in the Cleveland papers?
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: The headline is going to be, so you're saying, Heisman, he's going to go out.
• 1:21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to look good.
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to tear up Ball State.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to have some early people talking about Julian saying might be the real deal once again.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this time, he's going to land himself a high as well.
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the buck I had line Chris that comes out of this weekend.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I sure hope it's not like reading the papers in Jersey this morning After what the Scarlet night's did last night against UMass holy smokes 30 point dogs That's worse Jack than what the N.I.U.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Notre Dame thing is
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is officially worse than I thought you obcating Notre Dame brutal brutal loss for Grachiano and company.
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I hope Chris's headline comes correct.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: The guardians are already in the weather delay here.
• 1:22:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully the Guardians can outlast the Cleveland weather.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That'll be my headline and take down the Detroit Tigers to the dismay of Chris Castellani.
• 1:22:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want a Sunday night crash out video on Chris Castellani's X-Account.
• 1:22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm getting it.
• 1:22:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the Guardians are officially going to end any pipe dream that the Tigers have of making October.
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: We could clip that and play it on Monday's show.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: The headline in the paper is going to read Joe knows Adele's walk off home or propels guards to four games super tigers.
• 1:22:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going for on them.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm including a Logan C. Allen start.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how excited I am about this ball club.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to win a Logan Allen start.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there we go.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, let's look at the next thing we have here.
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, Nick, if you could give me the thing you're most excited about, like you're you're you're what what are they call what do they call on the bachelor right is the the rows of the weekend.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is your rows for the weekend for Cleveland college.
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, not mine is in isn't Cleveland sports on for it.
• 1:23:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's college football though being back officially I was able to watch some week zero last weekend I had a cold though and I had a wedding on top of the cold so I didn't get to take in as much of the college football as I would have really like to This weekend things looking a little bit different things looking a little bit lighter.
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm planned to be planted on my couch
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: from start to finish on Saturday.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm planning to watch him games this evening.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm planning to watch highlights into Sunday morning.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I am throwing roses at the feed of college football.
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is finally back.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go buck guys.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I hope Ohio State for his case are guy Chris down there in Chicago now.
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope for Ohio State's case Ohio State just rolls ball
• 1:24:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see the punishments on?
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I did not.
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
• 1:24:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got a whole board.
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to go to Ohio's Tate and check it out.
• 1:24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a whole board of all his punishments that are all right.
• 1:24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I won't be a real man.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He will not be having children if Ohio State doesn't win this weekend.
• 1:24:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't do that though.
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you can't do that.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's my bachelor bachelor.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you want to call it, Jack of the weekend, Ohio State getting a big dog.
• 1:24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Chris, what's your rose?
• 1:24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest thing is going to be what happens today with the Guardians.
• 1:24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have got to springboard into this weekend with two wins today.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't want to see a split and certainly we don't want to talk about the worst outcome.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But right now we're starting in a randalay.
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I hope we can put it together in these two games because man that would be a nice springboard.
• 1:24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get people talking because as Nick was saying, I'm going to be like everybody else.
• 1:25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: My first eyes are going to be on the buck eyes tomorrow, watching that college football, but I want to make sure that those guardians are right there, second burner.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in order to do that, you really need to start off this weekend.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, get those two dubs today.
• 1:25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan, not to speak for you as well, but my rows for the weekend will for sure be watching CJ Car Lace them up in play football on Sunday at 830 p.m. That is all the time we have for today's edition of Big Play Cleveland Live.
• 1:25:24
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• 1:25:26
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• 1:25:31
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• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have a good Labor Day long weekend.