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Lila Explains Cons Pt. 2: Conventions Today Are A Celebration Of Diversity · The Opinionated Ogre Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: This is Lila Explains,
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  SPEAKER_01: a special summertime edition of the Opinionated Ogre podcast with our special guest,
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  SPEAKER_01: Lila,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Opinionated Teen,
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  SPEAKER_01: who helps us see today's world from the perspective of the next generation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes lighthearted, sometimes serious, always informative.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, welcome back to Lila Explains.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is part two of the Otakon experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, sort of.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's conventions in general.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the show where my lovely and talented co-host Lila,
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  SPEAKER_02: the six-year-old,
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  SPEAKER_02: tells you what's on her mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm six.
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  SPEAKER_03: I said 16.
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  SPEAKER_03: You said six.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm six.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sweetie.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll always be the little girl in my heart.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: I can't believe you're growing up so fast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
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  SPEAKER_02: My eardrum.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, would you... Singular.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you like to sing for a little bit?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, shut up.
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  SPEAKER_03: You sure?
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know it was going to start.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, no, no, I'm not recording right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_02: You should totally start singing.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, no singing?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe at the end.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want them to...
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  SPEAKER_02: Two, not forever?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, trust me.
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  SPEAKER_00: They'll be like, oh my gosh, she has such a lovely voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's like... Anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, last episode, we talked about...
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  SPEAKER_02: um, conventions in ye olden days when everything was geared towards white men.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it really was white men.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dinosaurs were walking the earth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pretty much.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was men and it was mostly white men, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, women weren't really welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Black people weren't really welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nobody was really welcome except for white men.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is, this is kind of like, you know, um, uh,
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  SPEAKER_02: What was the first one?
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  SPEAKER_02: Was it Comic Skate?
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  SPEAKER_03: Girl, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Fuck.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's been so many of them, I kind of lost track.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what you're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_02: The thing they started in 2016 that got Trump kick-started.
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  SPEAKER_02: I could swear it was called Comic Skate.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it was... Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: anyway,
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  SPEAKER_02: it was a bunch of really,
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  SPEAKER_02: really angry white guys who were mad that women were involved in stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was either video games or comic books or whatever the hell it was.
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  SPEAKER_03: God forbid.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they just raged and raged and raged.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: Did you see that they have... Oh, God.
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  SPEAKER_03: You guys know GTA?
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  SPEAKER_03: Grand Theft Auto?
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  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, I think actually maybe you told me this.
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  SPEAKER_03: In the new one, GTA 6, they're gonna... Which hasn't come out yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's very mad.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a joke.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like a running one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, GTA 5 came out like...
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been a long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's going to be a female character that you can play as, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And not, like, a stripper.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh!
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  SPEAKER_03: I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wait, she keeps her clothes on?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's not an NPC.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's you.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can play as her.
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  SPEAKER_02: And everyone is,
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  SPEAKER_02: like...
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  SPEAKER_02: Just so you're aware,
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  SPEAKER_02: Grand Theft Auto is the game where you can beat up prostitutes and steal their money.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So... So, the fact that there's a woman...
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, as a playable character now... No.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's like, oh my god, GTA's woke!
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  SPEAKER_03: We can't play this game anymore!
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  SPEAKER_03: Like... Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have... Please.
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  SPEAKER_02: GTA V was, like, super customizable.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like... No, no female... And there was no female in that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: That whole time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: they updated it a gazillion times to customize it,
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  SPEAKER_02: and they never added a fucking woman that whole time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: I... I just would have assumed...
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  SPEAKER_03: You would think, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: really,
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  SPEAKER_02: GTA V was like the World of Warcraft of action video games because they just made
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  SPEAKER_02: the one and then they just added new levels and new maps and new quests for literally,
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  SPEAKER_02: this has been going on for almost a decade because it was such a huge,
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  SPEAKER_02: popular open world game,
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  SPEAKER_02: they didn't need to make a new one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I just would assume you could have played as a female because... Nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why wouldn't you have that option?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because they were appealing to men, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now they're trying to appeal to other players, so how the fuck dare they?
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  SPEAKER_03: Not even!
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's just... Like, I thought everyone loved Chun-Li.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can play as Chun-Li.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, what's the... I don't know why...
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  SPEAKER_03: Like,
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  SPEAKER_03: just,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you're that mad and you want to sexualize this character so badly,
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  SPEAKER_03: just play as her and then,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: shift your camera down so you can look up her panties or something.
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  SPEAKER_03: Look up her skirt.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's not that serious.
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  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's pixels on a screen.
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  SPEAKER_03: I promise you'll survive if she has long hair and a butt.
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  SPEAKER_02: All these years that we've been playing video games with male characters,
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  SPEAKER_02: you want to be a boy now,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how it works.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you wake up every day and you go, God.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wish I had a joystick.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so we're going to move on.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, I didn't mean it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm just completely off the call.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, so Lila.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why don't you tell the nice folks at home what conventions are like now that
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  SPEAKER_02: they're no longer a white sausage fest?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, convention culture is definitely a lot different now.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's definitely still, like, creepy people, old white dudes that will creep on you sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not as common.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you can easily go and report them, and it should be taken care of if it's at, like, a...
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  SPEAKER_03: a place that's properly staffed, which is most conventions nowadays.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: Otakon has literally a thousand people staffing it,
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  SPEAKER_02: and that's not even including the security of the actual convention center.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's insane.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's, like, every person ever there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, every size, gender, race, doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like...
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  SPEAKER_03: You could be anyone and walk into a convention and be fine now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this was very, very surprising for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, shit.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, maybe if you're... Like, I've had a couple experiences where I was, like, creeped out.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I never felt like, oh, this guy's gonna follow me home and murder me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, I've never had that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like,
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe if I'm wearing a skimpy costume and a guy looks at me weird and I see him,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: in the corner of my eye,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: a few too many times,
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  SPEAKER_03: I go,
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  SPEAKER_03: ugh,
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  SPEAKER_03: and then I go to my mom and it's fine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: But, like, never...
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  SPEAKER_03: Now... Physically assaulted or anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lila is... She's 16, she's tall, she's very pretty, and she's annoyingly curvy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which is something that's been annoying the crap out of me since that happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like... Sorry!
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  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna cause her problems down the road.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, which it has in school.
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you definitely had problems when you were in, uh, Hammond.
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  SPEAKER_02: More than once.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because guys are just dicks.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Especially in Hammond.
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  SPEAKER_02: A little less so in Washington Liberty, but definitely in Hammond.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I just get told I'm fat at WNO.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, they're fucking weird.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Moving on.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so this has been a thing that Lila just has to deal with.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's got the pretty privilege and the disadvantage.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm cursed.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm so gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everyone wants a photo with me.
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  SPEAKER_03: My cosplays are so amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just can't get a break.
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  SPEAKER_03: is what he's saying, basically.
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  SPEAKER_02: How many pictures do you get at a convention?
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  SPEAKER_03: A lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Although she does have really good customs.
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  SPEAKER_03: I do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: I just said that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought you were being sarcastic.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, no, when I'm being sarcastic, you'll know I'm being sarcastic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, whatever.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: See, that was me being sarcastic.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, shut up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, I was... Now, the first convention we went to was... It was smaller.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was more science-y, so it was a little less diverse.
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  SPEAKER_02: Only because it was a little more science-y, a little more straight-up nerdy-nerdy, as opposed to geeky.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then we went to a proper regular convention,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it was just like...
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't even remember what that first convention was.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was in a hotel somewhere, but it was... I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like a proper full anime convention.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Was it not Oracle?
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was before that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might have been Anime USA, but it was a proper regular anime convention, and it was just...
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  SPEAKER_02: like, just straight up rainbow coalition.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it was everything, just all along the spectrum.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: there were black people,
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  SPEAKER_02: there were Asian people,
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  SPEAKER_02: there were Latino people,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: there were still a whole lot of white people,
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  SPEAKER_02: but they were just,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: it was obviously a lot of gay people,
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  SPEAKER_02: because they were just...
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh,
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  SPEAKER_03: I,
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  SPEAKER_03: they're such,
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  SPEAKER_03: um...
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  SPEAKER_03: like, a strong connection between, like, gay people and conventions now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, I swear to God, you could go up to, especially cosplayers.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you talk to a cosplayer and they don't have a pride pin on their bag,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll be so surprised.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, 75% of the people in wigs at conventions are gonna be gay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, from personal experience, like, me talking to people...
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just a really, really open and accepting atmosphere.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one of the reasons it's so many is because it is... The atmosphere is wildly different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so inclusive that this is a place where people know they can come and be who they want to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like,
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  SPEAKER_03: I know furry conventions are a separate thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: but we just went to Otakon,
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  SPEAKER_03: which is specifically anime...
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  SPEAKER_03: Bunch of furries.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, like, no one cares.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, anything is allowed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was one of the things that we found to be really, really interesting about these conventions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not just inclusive.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're incredibly supportive of everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, they're just... There's people who go and have fun at these conventions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, in all the... Like, we've been to...
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: We've got to be up close to a dozen conventions in just the last couple of years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because we go to multiple conventions in a year at this point.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like three, sometimes four, if we're pushing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But have you seen... And I was talking to your mother about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen any fights?
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen any heated arguments?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've heard stories, but I've never...
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  SPEAKER_02: Encountered now these are conventions.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why was that a thing?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean it was all guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there were But I mean these are conventions with 40 plus thousand people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah awesome con which is another one.
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  SPEAKER_02: We go to has over 60,000 people and
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes the AC does not work very well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sometimes it's really gross and hot and it smells bad because I'm sweating.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's hot, it's sweaty.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: and these are people who are in really elaborate costumes,
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  SPEAKER_02: which makes it even hotter and even sweatier.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's hard sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I was just, I was wearing...
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: you want to thug it out for the cosplay yeah i was wearing long sleeves and pants
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  SPEAKER_02: and i was like oh my god i'm miserable and that's not even remotely as heavy as
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  SPEAKER_02: some of the other stuff that people wearing right so these people who are hot
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  SPEAKER_02: sweaty and you know they're they're doing it for their costume but oh my god it's
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  SPEAKER_02: miserable and yet
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  SPEAKER_02: No fights, no huge arguments, no shouting matches.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just people just being calm and enjoying themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there you go.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know you were saying at older conventions it's more about promoting things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, now, I mean, there's definitely that sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you go to,
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  SPEAKER_03: like,
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  SPEAKER_03: the artist alley or something where people are selling their prints or their little figures.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's a huge thing, but that's that floor.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Not, like, there's, like, panels and workshops and stuff.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like,
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: sometimes people just,
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: start these little random play dance things,
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: in the middle of the hallway.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: I miss that.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: They're so fun.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: That was so awesome.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're so fun.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: There are concerts.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, honestly...
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Just like anything that you can do.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, these shows, these are conventions, right?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: So now they have panels that talk about a wild variety of stuff.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: They talk about the history of sci-fi or the history of anime or the history of a specific genre.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: of whatever right right there's like cosplay making workshops like they'll teach
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: you how to make like like scaled armor or something like it's yeah how to work with
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: certain plastics or how to work with foam or how to work you know if you want to
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: learn how to make cosplay you know certain stuff cosplay better there's arts and
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: crafts and i don't mean cosplay i mean just regular arts and crafts you know
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: anastasia's
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: made a couple of stuffed animals i learned how to do a ladder stitch at one of
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: these that was a couple of years ago which is you know that was awesome it's like
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: oh crap i don't know how to make a
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just, there's useful stuff, but some of it's just cutesy.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: And some of it's just, you know, Anastasia made a Pokeball Habitat last year.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Which is awesome.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's still up on our shelf.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's really cute.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even going to get into how to make it.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: But it's super, super cute.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it was really easy to make.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: But a lot of fun.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: There's, like, every age is there.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you'll see, like, parents with their little kids.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: You'll see, like...
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: 60-year-old guys.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then also, like, obviously there's me, teenagers that come with their friends.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly,
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: I would say that the audience,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: especially,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: these more anime-centered ones,
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: I would argue that it's mostly 20- to 30-year-olds now.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: The exact opposite of what it used to be.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because that was the group that wasn't there when I was a kid.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: When I was your age, they weren't there.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: But now it's mostly...
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: In between your group and my group.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: People don't care as much about what you watch and do in your private time.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, but also it's just much more, I mean, anime is way more acceptable.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: So, but even at AwesomeCon, you know, it's just a huge variety of people.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: But again, it's also a very accepting and nurturing atmosphere, right?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, amateur performers go up on stage and they get wild applause.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't matter... Oh, little idol groups.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's really cute.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: So what idols are, they're people... I mean, it's mostly women, but not only women.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them are girls.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, some of them... Like, one of them was a senior in high school.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: This is my strong suit.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: I want to explain.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Go for it.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so...
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Usually,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_03: it's from two,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: one of two rhythm games that are super popular and also come with,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: their respectable animes.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: What's a rhythm game first?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: A rhythm game, well, I'm sure you guys know, like, Dance Dance Revolution, stuff like that, right?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like, Piano Tiles?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: You guys ever played Piano Tiles?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: these are the games where you just dance on the...
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: You do the steps on the thing and the screen...
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: You have to follow the instructions on the screen.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, these games have been around for... It's not that, but... But it's something similar.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Just, like, little, like, mobile games that come with, like...
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: their set of, like, original songs by these voice actors.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: And there's, like, a bajillion characters.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, at least... So there's Love Live!
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: and there's Project Sekai, which are the two biggest ones.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Project Sekai comes with... I mean, they're popular here, but they're huge in Japan.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: Ginormous in Japan, yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Huge in Japan and Korea.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: Project Sekai includes all Vocaloid.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, if you think of Hatsune Miku, which is, like, if you know Vocaloid...
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now, a Vocaloid is a completely computer-generated... It's just a voice.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a computer-generated performer.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is not a real person.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Several people have the rights to her.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: like...
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: As long as you get the voice software,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: you can just make a song,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: publish it,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: and if it's her voice,
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: it's by Miku.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll go under... It's not an AI...
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: exactly no but it's a program that you can write the song and she will sing it yes
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: yeah and there's a character yes right there's all these different characters the
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: most popular long flowing blue pigtails right the most popular one is right which
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: anastasia absolutely adores go look her up we've had i'll put a picture of her in
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: the thing like anastasia's had a post of her for years
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, anyway.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: But there's the Vocaloid and then all these,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: smaller bands within the game that are not Vocaloids but characters.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: And,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: people will dress up as them and perform the songs,
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: with other people cosplaying from that group.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right, they don't sing the songs.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: They don't sing.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: They lip-sync.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Or not even sometimes.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, sometimes they lip-sync.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they sing it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: But they perform their own original dances.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Wrong.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: They're not... They don't necessarily do the dance.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Love Live.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't know about Love Live.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the... Project I... That we've watched.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Those are original dances.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Those are choreographed.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're choreographed, but they're not from... Five... Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, Anastasia.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: The dances that Project... That Project... They play... Star Trek.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: When you're playing the game...
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: They have the dance behind the screen.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: They're doing that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Are you sure?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's how everyone knows what to... It's already done.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's the stances that Star Shark Diva does.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Are those original dances or are those from a game?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, are they cosplaying people from... I don't think so, but they're doing... Then that's different.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they're doing... It's not an original song.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: They're doing, I mean, it's not their song.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's a song in Korean.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Korean?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's either Korean or Japanese.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: K-pop?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I can't tell.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: You can't tell?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's Japanese.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's Japanese?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: It is Miku.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it is.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: But is it... It doesn't seem to be... It doesn't seem choreographed.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, they're... It doesn't seem like the dance is from a game.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: It seems like dance is that they came up with.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: It probably is.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have to check that one.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm telling you it is.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Alright.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's why they have... Do you remember, like, the Love Live dance plays?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Random dance plays.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's that.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: People know the dances to certain songs.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you can look up, like, Miku music video.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: She's doing a dance.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: They're probably doing that.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'll have to show you a video, because you haven't been with us too long.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know what you're talking about.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: You haven't been to Starstruck Diva.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: That sounds like their own group.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about that.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: You would love them.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: They're so much fun to watch.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Went on a little tangent here.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Me, Anastasia, and Lillian discovered them last year, and her and Lillian love them.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: When was they last year?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, where are you?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: When was they?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: oh yeah that was them yes those were choreographed dances by those were vocaloids
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: yes yes okay all right yeah all right all right all right anyway so i'm right
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: you're wrong thank you whatever i know more about this than you so i will shave
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: your head oh exactly wear a wig that's true for your cosplay it'll be less sweaty i
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: don't even sweat under my wig though
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why it's so uncomfortable for you guys to wear a wig.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's not that bad for me.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I have a ton of hair.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably why.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: You already have a ton of hair.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I can't feel it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Your sweat glands are probably dead already.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: Lila has extremely thick hair.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Her sweat glands have probably just... Do they know what I look like?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think I've posted pictures of you.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so she's about five... So, anyway...
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Just edit that out.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: They get up on... Hell no.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Leaving it all in.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: So they get up on stage,
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: and they do these things,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: and sometimes they are great,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: and sometimes they are not great.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: But you cheer anyway.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: You cheer anyway.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Last year, a woman got up on stage, and she was singing.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Very pitchy.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now, she was singing, singing.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: And...
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Objectively bad.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: We sat there and we sat through it and we applauded and we just all just kept our
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: faces stone straight,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: even though on the inside we were all dying because she was not...
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you can do that at a convention.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: But you can do that at a convention.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: You can go and be bad, and people will be like, yes, amazing, love.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: You won't get made bad.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone was very supportive.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: No one booed her because they probably would have been taken outside and beaten.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: If anyone had booed her,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: they would have been booed,
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: and then they would have taken outside and been hurt.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's all for fun anyway.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Women who would not feel comfortable dressing in particularly revealing outfits...
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Would, are very comfortable wearing those outfits at the convention.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot of cheek.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of cheek.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of cheek.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes way more than I'm comfortable seeing.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Especially when it's younger people and it's like, please stop that.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: The rules are you just have to have your nipples covered and your two holes covered.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sometimes.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And that's pretty much it.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Some people take advantage of that a little too much.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's a thing called, like, bunny girl cosplay.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure...
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: you can imagine just think playboy bunnies but it's like a character like you take
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: someone from a show you put their wig on like the makeup that you do for their
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: usual cosplay and then a bunny suit and you go oh yeah i'm power from chainsaw man
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: but like bunny girl like okay all right then but you do what you want like doesn't
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: matter yeah
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not super jazzed about that because, you know, people do bring their kids there.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's true, but there are also, like, hentai vendors.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, they sell, like, body pillows and stuff.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: So what are you going to do?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: hentai,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: if you're not familiar with it,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: is Japanese...
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're probably happy to not...
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: if you're going to mention it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Japanese porn.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: My bad.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Basically.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Japanese animated porn.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: So, which is... There are also hentai panels, hentai showings, past...
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: like 11 i thought it started like 9 or 10 no that's 18 plus stuff yeah after like
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: 11 you do have to have like a you can't just walk in you do have to have like a
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: badge and like your id saying like yeah so after 11 is when they get to like the
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: really really adult stuff so if you have your kids leave them every time i tell
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: anastasia yeah i'm gonna stay late and go to that she's like no so
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's very funny.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so, yes, conventions are wildly different now.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, these conventions are with 40-something thousand people.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Anastasia, this year, right, she's 14 now, felt safe enough...
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: to stay by herself at um an idol show that she wanted to finish and stay there by
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: herself like an extra 30 minutes and then come find us afterwards because me and
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: lillian wanted to go to a different panel that was starting and she wanted to
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: finish because she was really enjoying the show and a year ago she never would have
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: done that
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: And even now, in, like, any other circumstance, she would never be by herself.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: She would just not be comfortable hanging by herself someplace and then coming to find us.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I go off on my own all the time.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you do.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: But you're 16.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's true, but I was 14.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you're also, like, bigger and more physically capable.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: You just call me fat.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone heard it here.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, I didn't want to say, no.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: You just called me big and manly.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: But, I mean, you're a lot taller.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: You're also a lot stronger.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Anastasia is smaller and slater than you.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And not as strong.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Also, not quite as into the self-defense as you are.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't gone in forever.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: pretty sure you could break her in half if you put your oh right well we're not
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: gonna find out um what no cage match if you pay what two dollars
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Five, four dollars.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Fight, fight, fight, fight.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, but this place, I mean, even with 40,000 people, she felt so comfortable in this place.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, granted, she's been here, like, this is her fourth time in this particular hall.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: In this convention center.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: You get familiar.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Which is huge.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because even with 40,000 people, even with 60,000 people, it's never that crowded.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's across three buildings.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's how big it is.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's large.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: And yet it's pretty well laid out.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you never really get lost.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's well regulated.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: So she was so comfortable that she just stayed and then she came and found us.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't a problem.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was easy for her to come find us.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, hooray.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I, okay.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: This, it's very fun.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone is very accepting and stuff.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: There are, like, I have a couple stories.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, nothing crazy.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: But still.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, creepers sometimes.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I remember that one guy from last year.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: What one guy from last year?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: We were in the,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: I forget what show it was,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: but he,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: we had moved over,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: and then he just kind of courted you and started chit-chatting you.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: And we didn't notice that at first.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: We were like, where the hell is Lila?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: And we turned around and you were talking to a guy,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: but we were far enough away that we couldn't tell if you wanted to talk to him,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: if you were voluntarily talking to him,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: or if he had kind of cut you off and you were trying to figure out how to get the
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: hell away from him.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: It was definitely that, but I didn't feel...
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, oh.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: How do I do this nicely?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like he wasn't like, can I sniff your panties?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like anything crazy.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the other Japanese anime.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: Which is thankfully not really like a thing here.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, for our audience, I swear to God, there are vending machines in Japan that sell used anime.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Used?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you didn't know that?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: What are you talking about?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: There are literal vending machines in Japan that sell used schoolgirl panties.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but it's not, like, on every corner.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no, it's not on every corner.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: But it is a thing that exists.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's sad.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: Japan's obsession with schoolgirls is so creepy.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Japan,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Japan,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: it's one of the things when American women are like,
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: America's so misogynist,
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm like,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: But have you met Japan?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're right.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, not to belittle what women go through in the United States, but have you met Japan?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they just made, they just raised the age of consent to, what was it, 16 or 17?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: Crazy.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: This year?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: What was it, 13, 14?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was like 13.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was 13.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was lower than that, but I think it was at least 13.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, gross.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Japan,
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: even in the United States,
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: with Republicans,
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: even they don't have it that fucking low.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if they could, but like, they're not that shameless yet.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: You need your parents' permission and the permission of a judge for that to be a thing, you know.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: They don't just have it as law.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: But Japan did.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because... That's crazy.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Japan.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't want to get married at 13 and start popping out the puppies?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, play Class of 09.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, boy.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a fucking... That game is... That's an experience.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Most realistic high school experience ever.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone should have been Japanese in that game.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I know they're all anime characters.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's American.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: I know, that's what makes it so scary.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: What else has happened to you?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I've had a couple guys, like, not really respect my personal space at all.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, if they ask for a photo, and, like, I'm not going to say no.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: unless you're giving me,
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: a really,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: or if you smell really bad,
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: and,
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really want to,
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: maybe I'll say no,
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: but...
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: They literally sell body deodorant at conventions because people forget to use it.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly, I haven't had a smell problem lately.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: The last few conventions didn't really stink.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Except for the guy at the sumo wrestling.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: Holy crap!
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: That was really bad, and it was 9 a.m., 9 a.m.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, really.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: What are you doing this year already stinking like this?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: I've had pictures of,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: guys asking for a photo,
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: and then,
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: their friend takes the phone,
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: and then they,
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: grab my waist or something.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's... It's like, that's not okay.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's not good.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Now, they have signs up saying, you know, do not touch without consent.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right, cosplay is not consent, yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: So... And honestly, like, every cosplayer is just gonna, like, if you...
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: If you have a cosplay that you know is going to get attention,
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: not necessarily that it's revealing or anything,
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: if you have a cool prop or something,
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: people are going to want a photo with you.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: If you have anything cool on, you're going to get asked for a photo.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: With that many people, someone's going to recognize it and be like, oh my god!
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: Even if you're from the most niche anime ever.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: At least one person is going to come up to you and be like, oh, my gosh, this is so cool.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've done that.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I freaked out.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Someone was dressed as Amalthea from The Last Unicorn.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, my gosh, you're The Last Unicorn.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I need a picture with you.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: And she was very happy I recognized her because I don't think anyone else did because people suck.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, stuff like that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just people getting, like, a little too close.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: There was this one time I had a guy in a Bowser costume.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was outside the bathroom clearly waiting for someone.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: I had, like, three bags in my hands.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I was in Nell from Bleach.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: Go look her up.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: The costume is modified a little bit because... Modified a lot.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: well not that much but modified so i'm covered yeah there's no cleavage showing no
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: well there's no cleavage for now i thought there was under boob well oh right yeah
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: that's what it was yeah sorry um the adult version we're talking about this there's
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: a kid version of now then she turns into adult which is such an anime thing
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love her, though.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: I love her character a lot.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, her character's fun, but, you know, the fact they took a little kid and turned her into an adult.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was her true form all along.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's like... Right.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's so anime.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, okay, thank you, creepers.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's my queen anyway, though.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um...
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: What was I going to say?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, this guy in a Bowser costume, like, full-on, like, mascot suit type thing.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: Looked like he was sweating a lot.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: With, like, his friends.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: They looked maybe late 20s, early 30s.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: They come up to me.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: This was a couple years ago.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe, like, one and a half.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: Or last Otakon.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um...
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: And they asked for a photo,
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: and I take a photo with him,
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: and then the guy in the Bowser suit was like,
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: can you pet me?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, can you, like, pet me for a photo?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I politely declined, and that was that.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, that's a little, kind of an odd request.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: I also, at this last Otacon, had a guy... You were right there.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's not, like, a creepy thing, but, like, I'm just kind of wondering what he did with that.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, okay, so I was in Blair from Soul Eater, which is... I was covered.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: It was, like, my arms and, like, my shins out.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, nothing crazy.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: And he asked me for a photo...
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: took a photo my little cat pose thing and then he asked me for another photo like
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: the first photo was just me a picture of me and then a selfie like with him like a
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: little too close to my face but like
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: wasn't, like, him trying to squish me.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, oh, I can, like, kind of hear you breathing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like that.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: But, like, you know what I mean?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then he had me,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: he gave me a stuffed animal that said something on the front,
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: but I didn't,
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't read it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: You guys were right next to me.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: I,
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: Anastasia or Lillian was holding my bag while this was happening,
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: and I held it,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: and I posed,
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: and he took a picture,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: and I don't know what it said!
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm terrified that it said something horrible and I didn't see.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: It was like a little, it was a cute little like leopard thing.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: It was small and it was going like,
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: like it was a cute little,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: and something was on his belly and I didn't see.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I hope it wasn't like a crazy.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Creepy something.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm scared that it was, but I was trying to leave and he asked for like four photos in a row.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, okay, well like whatever.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just trying to.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Get it done so I can, like, go to this next thing, but... Yep, totally missed that.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: You were right there!
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry!
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't police you when you're taking a picture with a guy who's all standing there.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Generally speaking, if we're all standing there, someone doesn't get too creepy about the whole thing.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because we're all standing there.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's it, though.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really have any, like...
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: Crazy con story.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Certainly nothing that,
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: booth babes used to go to where they would literally get,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: you know.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: I've never been groped or anything.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, that's good.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Never been, like, followed out of the convention or anything, like.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's, and generally speaking, that is, I mean, that happens, but it doesn't happen regularly.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's rare, though.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: and again,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: these are huge conventions with tens of thousands of people,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: and that's just not really a thing.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and it's not because everyone there is gay.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just... No.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just not a thing.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of them, but, yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just... It's become very family-friendly, you know, except for all the buttcheeks.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's that, yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's very safe.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's very accommodating to just...
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: anyone anyone can go to these you know so if you're on the fence about going you
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: should go yeah I mean even if you're not into anime there's stuff like Awesome Con
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: and there's just oh and um last it was it was last year or earlier this year you
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: went to the um the what was the music video game one you went to what was that
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: called Magfest Magfest music and game fest music and game fest which again I was
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: worried about super fun
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I thought, oh, wait, we're into video game territory again?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Video games still tend to be overwhelmingly male-dominated because guys.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: It was pretty much the same thing.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: You said that I was like, because I didn't get to go to that one.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was just me and my friend, which we weren't walking around with an adult or anything.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: No one was fending anyone off.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Were you even in costume for that?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you did cosplay for that one.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: I was cosplaying Nico Robin, and my friend was Nami.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: From One Piece, which are also pretty skimpy.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I was covered.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it was, like, a crop top and, like, a long beach skirt type thing.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: My friend was significantly less covered, but we were good.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: And again, no problems.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Which I was absolutely shocked about, because... Couple pictures, pretty respectful, like...
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: Gamergate.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: That was the first one.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: Gamergate?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't hear anything about Gamergate.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we're going to have to have that conversation offline.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I need to tell you about Gamergate.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, I was super, super surprised.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, even something like games is still a very...
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, definitely.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: There's still a lot of,
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: like...
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Touchy world online,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: but this convention was still...
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing is,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: the people that you're meeting in,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: a Call of Duty lobby are not the people that are at conventions.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, but that's what I kind of figured.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: I figured that's who would be at these conventions because it's geared specifically towards gamers.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't, so it was just like... You would actually be really interested in MAGFest.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, God damn, I'm going next year.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Cut that out.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: But, like...
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: My friend that I was with put a bleep over her name, please.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: We,
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: she wasn't the biggest fan of,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: everything,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: but,
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: I was kind of nerding out,
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: and I wanted to stay longer,
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: so you should come.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was dying to go.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: We just, we couldn't afford it.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: it was,
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: we,
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: this was before we,
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: we didn't,
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: we didn't know if there was going to be a government shutdown.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, right, right, right.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just like, I can't do it.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to so badly.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was fun.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh my god, that's just, it just screamed to me.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: It was at, uh...
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: Where Kotakon is.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: I love that hotel.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's nice.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: I love that hotel.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: What is it?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: Gaylord?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: The Gaylord Palms.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: Not Gaylord Palms.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: Gaylord Palms is out of Florida.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's the Gaylord, yeah.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, oh my god, I love that hotel.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's really nice.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I'm so excited.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm definitely going this year.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because... Bring me...
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: Nah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're fine.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about it.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: But only if you beat up on a station.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: For $4.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to wrap this up.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: This was so long.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: well that's why we broke it into two parts um I hope you guys um learned some
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: interesting stuff about conventions and the fact that Lila is really really mean
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not mean well she's a teen girl so when what was I mean you said I was old and
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: falling apart whatever wait that wasn't the first episode yeah anyway whatever
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: she's still really mean so there alright Lila well you call me fat ah I said
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: nothing of the sort I just said you're tall and muscular
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: whatever dude i mean i can call you whatever dude moving on oh my god get off me
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: all right salt lila thank you for doing this with me you're welcome we had a
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: awesome time at otacon we did and we're super excited to go to our next like i
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: don't know convention and the convention after that it was so fun after that yes we
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: love conventions so much fun yeah currently going through post-con depression
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: I figured this would help a little bit.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: Every year after,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: a con,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: I just have,
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: like,
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: a solid three weeks where I'm just like,
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: damn,
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: I want to go back.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, con life is, like, is very different than real life.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's just so nice.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like, everyone, you can just be so odd and off-putting and no one cares.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I can't be a weirdo in real life.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like...
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be surrounded by freerun cosplays again.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Just think of it this way.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're 16.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: I am.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: In about 25 years, maybe 27, eh, about 30 years.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_03: Short amount of time that I'll have to wait there.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to get to the age where you're going to be like me,
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: where you're going to be like,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: wait,
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't give a fuck what people think about me.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: So actually that's going to be in 25 years, and I will have to actually wait out those 25 years.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm afraid you are going to have to wait.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not down with that, really.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think I...
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean...
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_03: I think people have to stop caring right now so I can just go to places,
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: like...
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: it did take a while before I just ceased to care what other people thought.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: But when you get there, man, it's just the best.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, everybody.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Adios.
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