Latest / DISGRACELAND / Bonus Episode: The Murder Mystery Hinted At in the New Elvis Concert Film
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
- 0:05Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
- 0:08Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
- 0:12Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
- 0:31Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
- 0:33Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
- 0:35Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
- 0:37Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The back yard, to
- 0:41Speaker 1: dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth,
- 0:45Speaker 1: to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this
- 0:47Speaker 1: bonus episode, we're giving you our thoughts on the new
- 0:50Speaker 1: epic Elvis concert film, digging into your thoughts related to
- 0:54Speaker 1: this week's new episode, Part two on in Excess, previewing
- 0:57Speaker 1: next week's story on Towns Fans. At the exclusive section,
- 1:01Speaker 1: we dive into the murder mystery at the center of
- 1:03Speaker 1: Elvis's manager's past. Plus we get into your emails, comments, dms,
- 1:08Speaker 1: and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is
- 1:11Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
- 1:14Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
- 1:17Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgrace Lands where I tell the stories
- 1:20Speaker 1: they didn't want told the kind you'll end up telling
- 1:22Speaker 1: someone else. All right, disc goes, Let's get into it,
- 1:33Speaker 1: all right, Welcome into the after party, guys. I'm feeling
- 1:35Speaker 1: pretty good today, and I shouldn't be. I've got a
- 1:38Speaker 1: cold second day of a pretty crappy thing going around
- 1:42Speaker 1: here that I've managed to get, probably from my kids,
- 1:44Speaker 1: and knocks me out pretty hard. Yesterday and last night
- 1:48Speaker 1: woke up feeling like crap. But I don't know. I'm
- 1:49Speaker 1: behind the mic, and you know what it is. It's
- 1:51Speaker 1: a new mic. I got a new microphone. That's what's happening.
- 1:55Speaker 1: And I feel like those of you who are actually,
- 1:58Speaker 1: I don't know, podcasters maybe, and you listen to this show,
- 2:01Speaker 1: you probably know what I'm getting at here. When you
- 2:04Speaker 1: have a new mic, I don't know, it kind of
- 2:06Speaker 1: changes everything. It's just it's changed my body posture. I
- 2:10Speaker 1: just feel good. I feel good. I always feel good
- 2:12Speaker 1: talking to you, guys, but I feel really good right now.
- 2:15Speaker 1: And despite being sick this week, I've been feeling good
- 2:17Speaker 1: ever since the weekend, at least sort of, you know,
- 2:20Speaker 1: up upstairs in my noggin, I saw the Elvis movie
- 2:25Speaker 1: over the weekend. I saw it on Saturday Night Epic
- 2:28Speaker 1: Elvis Presley in Concert by Boz Lherman. Now, I don't
- 2:34Speaker 1: know what reviews, if any, that all you guys have
- 2:37Speaker 1: seen regarding this movie, but every review that came up
- 2:42Speaker 1: my feed praised the film. And I mean, like some
- 2:46Speaker 1: incredible reviews. I'm not just talking about like official reviews.
- 2:49Speaker 1: I'm talking about like listener fans of Elvis, fans of music, history,
- 2:52Speaker 1: music fans, et cetera, just like literally being like like
- 2:56Speaker 1: people whose opinions I really treasure and value being I'm
- 3:01Speaker 1: not even watching movies anymore like that those types of reviews.
- 3:05Speaker 1: People are freaking out over this film, and that includes
- 3:10Speaker 1: the crew here at Double Elvis. After Matt saw it,
- 3:13Speaker 1: he basically demanded that Zeth and I go, so we
- 3:15Speaker 1: did separately. Zeth finished watching it just as I was
- 3:20Speaker 1: sitting down in the theater to watch it, and we
- 3:22Speaker 1: were texting each other about it. He was blown away.
- 3:25Speaker 1: I was blown away. I took my family on Saturday
- 3:29Speaker 1: night to in Imax, and I knew when I was
- 3:33Speaker 1: watching this movie it was a type of movie where
- 3:35Speaker 1: you know when you're watching it that words are not
- 3:37Speaker 1: going to be able to do justice to what you're seeing,
- 3:41Speaker 1: Like I knew that in real time. But I'm not
- 3:44Speaker 1: going to try to explain the movie and sell you
- 3:45Speaker 1: on the movie. I'm just going to give you a
- 3:47Speaker 1: couple thoughts on it. I get a little context and
- 3:51Speaker 1: how it kind of relates to what we do here
- 3:53Speaker 1: true crime in the music history. So, for those who
- 3:56Speaker 1: don't know, the New Elvis movie is a concert film.
- 3:58Speaker 1: It's by filmmaker boz Lherman, and now boz Lherman unearthed
- 4:04Speaker 1: a trove apparently of previously unseen and unheard film and
- 4:11Speaker 1: audio footage and he used it to create this film.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Now he came upon this footage, I believe, I think
- 4:19Speaker 1: this is accurate when he was researching the biopic that
- 4:24Speaker 1: he produced and directed on Elvis Presley that came out
- 4:28Speaker 1: about three or four years ago, just simply titled Elvis.
- 4:31Speaker 1: So that sort of previously never, never before seen or
- 4:35Speaker 1: heard footage is what is what makes up this film.
- 4:39Speaker 1: Now we've all seen Elvis onstage in Vegas. It's, you know,
- 4:44Speaker 1: oftentimes that portion of his career as a subject of ridicule,
- 4:48Speaker 1: and certainly some of that career, some of the Vegas efforts.
- 4:55Speaker 1: You know, it's fair to ridicule it. It's it's not
- 4:57Speaker 1: very good. But you really got to think about Elvis
- 4:59Speaker 1: in Las Vegas in sort of two time periods. There's
- 5:04Speaker 1: the early seventies and then there's the mid to late
- 5:07Speaker 1: seventies when things go off the rails. Not all of
- 5:09Speaker 1: Elvis in Las Vegas. The residency I'm talking about was bad,
- 5:13Speaker 1: was cheesy. I already knew that, but still I kind
- 5:18Speaker 1: of write off Elvis Vegas anyway. That's not what this is.
- 5:21Speaker 1: This is something completely different. This is Elvis Presley on fire, okay,
- 5:27Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. All of the megawatt star power, charisma, talent,
- 5:32Speaker 1: stage presence, the passion, everything, everything that is the best
- 5:38Speaker 1: of Elvis that you could imagine. Take that and multiply
- 5:41Speaker 1: it by ten, and that's the Elvis that is living
- 5:44Speaker 1: in this film and living in this film like I've
- 5:47Speaker 1: never seen him before, both on and off stage. The
- 5:49Speaker 1: off stage scenes when the King is rehearsing the band,
- 5:53Speaker 1: they're getting ready for their first residency. This is some
- 5:55Speaker 1: of the most interesting footage of Elvis that I've ever seen.
- 5:59Speaker 1: I've seen some of this before, but not as in
- 6:01Speaker 1: depth as this. Watching him be this goofball you know,
- 6:06Speaker 1: you feel like he's being himself in a way that
- 6:09Speaker 1: you know, he's such a huge star, always kind of
- 6:12Speaker 1: guarded with a camera in front of him, but it
- 6:14Speaker 1: really feels like the guard gets let down here. You
- 6:16Speaker 1: feel when you're watching this like you've been let into
- 6:18Speaker 1: some sort of secret club. It's it's truly revelatory. And
- 6:23Speaker 1: the film's narrative, okay, to the extent that there is one,
- 6:26Speaker 1: it's it isn't heavy handed. For the most part, Elvis
- 6:31Speaker 1: and his excellent band guys, James Burton, the guitar player,
- 6:35Speaker 1: James Burton is just playing out of his mind, out
- 6:38Speaker 1: of his mind. So good, so good. We have thought
- 6:44Speaker 1: Seth and I are going to talk more about this.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Perhaps Matt will chime in as well on the rest
- 6:47Speaker 1: of the band later on. But you can just tell
- 6:51Speaker 1: you you can just tell, as a pertains to the
- 6:54Speaker 1: narrative of this film, that that Luhrman, buzz Lerman, went
- 6:57Speaker 1: out of his way to try not to repeat himself
- 6:59Speaker 1: as a storyteller, because, like I said, he just I
- 7:02Speaker 1: think he just finished he rapped doing the Elvis biopick
- 7:05Speaker 1: and then kind of this is his next project. So
- 7:07Speaker 1: you can understand why you don't want to tell the
- 7:08Speaker 1: same story twice, even though it's a different style of storytelling.
- 7:12Speaker 1: This is a concert film. Elvis was a biopick that said.
- 7:16Speaker 1: All of that said, Colonel Tom Parker, Elvis's manager, is
- 7:20Speaker 1: subtly positioned in this concert film as the story's villain.
- 7:25Speaker 1: And for those of us who know Elvis's history, the
- 7:28Speaker 1: director here, Boz Luhrmann, draws some pretty bold lines for
- 7:32Speaker 1: us to read between as it pertains to Colonel Tom Parker. Now,
- 7:37Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is this at the time, Elvis
- 7:41Speaker 1: was one of the biggest stars on the planet when
- 7:44Speaker 1: this footage for Epic was filmed. That's the name of
- 7:47Speaker 1: the movie, Epic, Elvis Presley in concert. We're talking nineteen
- 7:53Speaker 1: seventy and nineteen seventy two. Elvis one of the biggest
- 7:57Speaker 1: stars on the planet and certainly one of the biggest
- 7:58Speaker 1: musical attractions. Yet Elvis never performed outside of the United States.
- 8:08Speaker 1: This point comes up in the film. Elvis makes it himself,
- 8:11Speaker 1: but the question of why he never did this, of
- 8:15Speaker 1: why he never performed outside the States, it's never really
- 8:18Speaker 1: asked forget about being answered, especially because it's clear that
- 8:22Speaker 1: Elvis wanted to perform internationally. Now, in the way of
- 8:26Speaker 1: an answer, all we're given is a long, semi slow
- 8:30Speaker 1: motion glance at the villainous Colonel Tom Parker. Sort of
- 8:34Speaker 1: in the context of this question of why hasn't Elvis
- 8:38Speaker 1: performed internationally? We're made to suspect that the reason Elvis
- 8:43Speaker 1: didn't tour outside of the United States is because of
- 8:47Speaker 1: the colonel. But why why wouldn't the colonel whose commission
- 8:53Speaker 1: his pay on Elvis's earnings. The colonel was getting fifty
- 8:58Speaker 1: percent of elvis earnings fifty five zero, not fifteen, which
- 9:04Speaker 1: is typical, but it's actually pretty high. Ten is the standard.
- 9:09Speaker 1: So why wouldn't Colonel Parker want his star attraction to
- 9:17Speaker 1: perform in different markets, untapped markets and create more revenue.
- 9:22Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It's alluded to in this movie,
- 9:29Speaker 1: but it's not directly asked. It's definitely not answered. This again,
- 9:34Speaker 1: this makes no sense unless you know a little bit
- 9:38Speaker 1: about who Colonel Tom Parker was and what kind of
- 9:42Speaker 1: trouble he may have gotten himself into and escaped from,
- 9:46Speaker 1: allegedly in his home country of the Netherlands before immigrating
- 9:51Speaker 1: to the United States. Now I touch upon this in
- 9:54Speaker 1: my book, and there have been other writers who have
- 9:58Speaker 1: explored this theory more, but the fact that boz Lherman
- 10:03Speaker 1: hints at this in his new concert film is super
- 10:07Speaker 1: intriguing to me. It makes me think that this Colonel
- 10:11Speaker 1: Tom Parker conspiracy has more legs than some may think. Actually,
- 10:16Speaker 1: it's less of a conspiracy theory and more of a
- 10:18Speaker 1: murder mystery. Zeth and I are going to share with
- 10:20Speaker 1: you the dark true crime story at the heart of
- 10:22Speaker 1: Colonel Tom Parker's past in today's Disgraceland All Access bonus episode.
- 10:27Speaker 1: This story, this mystery, this theory about the Colonel. If
- 10:30Speaker 1: it's true, it explains why Elvis, the biggest musical attraction
- 10:34Speaker 1: on the planet, never performed outside of the United States. Okay,
- 10:37Speaker 1: go to Disgrace slandpod dot com design out to become
- 10:39Speaker 1: a disgraceand All Access member today and unlock more exclusive
- 10:42Speaker 1: content like this plus ad free listening. Speaking of performing
- 10:46Speaker 1: outside of the United States, this week's new episode a
- 10:49Speaker 1: Disgraceland is on in Excess, Part two in our Inexcess Story.
- 10:55Speaker 1: One of the reasons I wanted to tell this continuation
- 10:58Speaker 1: of the Inaxcess saga is because of the dichotomy between
- 11:03Speaker 1: the image of in Excess pretty pretty boy band, pop,
- 11:09Speaker 1: super poppy. You know, dudes like them, but of course,
- 11:13Speaker 1: you know more when I was growing up, more more
- 11:14Speaker 1: girls liked In Excess. I love In Excess, but I'm
- 11:17Speaker 1: just saying they weren't. It wasn't like Black Sabbath, you
- 11:19Speaker 1: get it. So there's the image and then there's the
- 11:23Speaker 1: reality of where they come from, which is in stark
- 11:26Speaker 1: contrast to how the band portrayed themselves, how the record
- 11:30Speaker 1: they will portrayed them, how they were promoted. They came
- 11:34Speaker 1: from just total Australian violence and mayhem, and that was
- 11:41Speaker 1: really interesting to me. We didn't really get into it
- 11:43Speaker 1: in part one, and I wanted to get into it
- 11:45Speaker 1: in part two and you can hear all about that
- 11:47Speaker 1: in this week's Disgrace An episode on In Excess Now,
- 11:52Speaker 1: we asked the question, given that in excesses from Australia,
- 11:56Speaker 1: you know, in Excess is a hugely successful band, super
- 12:00Speaker 1: influential band. When we think of rock and roll bands
- 12:04Speaker 1: that have had the most influence on culture, we think
- 12:07Speaker 1: of rock and roll bands from the United States, uh
- 12:10Speaker 1: and from the UK, from England mainly, and I just
- 12:14Speaker 1: it just occurred to me, like all these bands from Australia,
- 12:18Speaker 1: New zealand other parts of the world. So we asked
- 12:20Speaker 1: this question on the heels of the un Excess episode,
- 12:24Speaker 1: which international band has had the most influence culturally? Okay?
- 12:30Speaker 1: Is it in Excess? Is it somebody else? Is it?
- 12:33Speaker 1: Is it an Irish band, is it a is it
- 12:35Speaker 1: a band? Is it a French artist?
- 12:37Speaker 2: Who is it?
- 12:37Speaker 1: We're going to unpack that that question. We're going to
- 12:40Speaker 1: get to your answers, your voicemails and texts and the
- 12:44Speaker 1: later part of this episode. But first before we do that,
- 12:46Speaker 1: I want to tell you about the what we got,
- 12:47Speaker 1: what we got cooking here In the coming days, right
- 12:49Speaker 1: after this after party, we're gonna rewind episode on Public
- 12:52Speaker 1: Enemy and then next week, new episode, new story on
- 12:56Speaker 1: Towns van Zant. When you're listening to the townsman Zen episode,
- 13:01Speaker 1: you know Towns van Zand was one of the most
- 13:03Speaker 1: authentic songwriters to ever live. Okay, so be thinking about
- 13:07Speaker 1: which musical artists gave up the most for their art.
- 13:11Speaker 1: Towns van Zant lived just with so much authenticity. He
- 13:16Speaker 1: personified the characters in his songs. He sang of broken men,
- 13:22Speaker 1: he lived a broken life, and he died broke and
- 13:26Speaker 1: broken and busted. He wrote beautiful songs. My point is
- 13:32Speaker 1: at what cost? So when you're listening to the Towns
- 13:35Speaker 1: van zan episode, be thinking about which musical artist gave
- 13:38Speaker 1: up the most for their art? Okay, was it Towns
- 13:43Speaker 1: van Zant or was it somebody else? Let me know?
- 13:46Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
- 13:48Speaker 1: voicemail and text. Get at me. You might hear your
- 13:52Speaker 1: answer on next week's after party. We'll be back right
- 13:56Speaker 1: after this with your voicemails and texts and emails from
- 13:59Speaker 1: last week. Question of the Week. I've seen a bit.
- 14:20Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. Thanks for hanging with
- 14:22Speaker 1: us on today's after party. Six one seven nine oh
- 14:25Speaker 1: six six six three eight voicemail and text. You can
- 14:28Speaker 1: hit me up about anything related to music, music history,
- 14:31Speaker 1: true crime, any of the recommendations we talk about here
- 14:34Speaker 1: are questions of the week. Whatever you want to talk about.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Let's check out. Appears to be from a new caller.
- 14:39Speaker 1: This is John in the two oh three.
- 14:42Speaker 3: Hey, this is John from the two oh three. I
- 14:46Speaker 3: would love to have an episode on Willie Deaville from
- 14:51Speaker 3: Mint Deville.
- 14:52Speaker 1: I know very.
- 14:53Speaker 3: Little about him except that he had a drug problem.
- 14:57Speaker 1: What a voice. Thanks John, How correct you are. My
- 15:02Speaker 1: friend Willie Deville from minke Deeville just I know very
- 15:06Speaker 1: little about him as well, but I love him. Cadillac
- 15:09Speaker 1: Walk Baby. I kind of used that song Cadillac Walks
- 15:14Speaker 1: like a low key theme in our Elvis Presley Johnny
- 15:16Speaker 1: Ace story that we did. I don't know a lot
- 15:20Speaker 1: about Willidville either, and I like it that way. I'm
- 15:23Speaker 1: gonna put him on the list, though, and I'm gonna
- 15:25Speaker 1: look into it, because there's got to be something there, criminal,
- 15:29Speaker 1: something there away into Willie Deville's story. And as much
- 15:33Speaker 1: as I love his music, I've actually used I use
- 15:35Speaker 1: Willid Deville's music as my intro music when I brought
- 15:39Speaker 1: Disgrace into the stage a bunch of years ago. That's
- 15:41Speaker 1: how badass I think Willidville is. And uh yeah, i'mna
- 15:45Speaker 1: put him on the list. I'm gonna look into it.
- 15:46Speaker 1: Thanks John. All right, let's check out this voicemail from
- 15:49Speaker 1: the three oh three.
- 15:51Speaker 3: Hi, my name is Jay Ratruder. I'm from the Denver
- 15:54Speaker 3: area three zero three and I was listening how you
- 15:59Speaker 3: were talking soundtracks and I had to call in and
- 16:01Speaker 3: tell you about my favorite soundtrack from the eighties. It's
- 16:06Speaker 3: from To Live and Die in La by Wang Chung.
- 16:10Speaker 3: I'm such a fan of the soundtrack of the movie
- 16:12Speaker 3: that actually had to go and track down the locations.
- 16:17Speaker 3: Especially there's a big scene to the San Pedro Bridge
- 16:21Speaker 3: and there were some apartments there and kind of in
- 16:23Speaker 3: a good way, the apartments were turned down and turned
- 16:27Speaker 3: into a baseball field, a football field, and so I
- 16:30Speaker 3: got to go stand in and get a big picture
- 16:32Speaker 3: with that bridge in the background, and also track down
- 16:35Speaker 3: a couple of locations Sixth Street Bridge in La And
- 16:38Speaker 3: I did this about, I don't know five years ago,
- 16:42Speaker 3: and it was just a great time. My family was
- 16:44Speaker 3: really bored and tired of looking at bridges and locations sets,
- 16:48Speaker 3: but that's all right. I had a great time and
- 16:52Speaker 3: just a huge fan of the movie. Hope you hear
- 16:55Speaker 3: this and maybe do an episode about it.
- 16:58Speaker 1: Jay from the three h three Thanks to the oh Man.
- 17:00Speaker 1: To Live in de La that's Willem Dafoe, right, and
- 17:04Speaker 1: that's the movie that looks incredible, like in a very
- 17:09Speaker 1: kind of neon eighties way. I think I saw this
- 17:13Speaker 1: movie kind of had a half on in the background,
- 17:18Speaker 1: but didn't really get a chance to dig into it,
- 17:20Speaker 1: so I can't speak to the soundtrack. But now I
- 17:23Speaker 1: am super intrigued. And for you disco listeners to disgrace
- 17:29Speaker 1: some listeners out there, the discos who are hearing this
- 17:31Speaker 1: and going, what do you mean? Do an episode on this?
- 17:33Speaker 1: What the heck is Jay talking about? Jay's referencing our
- 17:38Speaker 1: new show. This film should be played loud. He's not
- 17:41Speaker 1: referencing Disgraceland. This film should be played loud is an
- 17:43Speaker 1: all access only exclusive video show, which you can check
- 17:47Speaker 1: out by becoming a Patreon member. And Jay, maybe we
- 17:51Speaker 1: will get into to Live and Die La. I have
- 17:54Speaker 1: to rewatch it. I'm looking forward to doing so. Thank
- 17:56Speaker 1: you for prompting me. Three ho three texts and hey,
- 17:59Speaker 1: I know you're a Stones, But the Beatles are gonna
- 18:01Speaker 1: be known like Beethoven centuries from now. Yeah maybe, I
- 18:07Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that in the centuries centuries
- 18:10Speaker 1: from now, we'll be looking at at music through the
- 18:13Speaker 1: same lens that we now look back centuries to view
- 18:19Speaker 1: people like Beethoven. I don't know. I feel like I
- 18:23Speaker 1: have no idea. I just know it's gonna be different.
- 18:25Speaker 1: I don't know how we're gonna look at things, but
- 18:27Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be different. We were talking about
- 18:29Speaker 1: Bourbon last week. Eight O three Rights saying, hey, Bourbon,
- 18:31Speaker 1: if you haven't already, give Statesmen by Old Forester a try,
- 18:35Speaker 1: as well as Toasted by Penelope. Thank you for your
- 18:39Speaker 1: excellent recommendations here. I haven't tried either of these. I've
- 18:43Speaker 1: seen Old Forester around before. I always think of Robert Forrester.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Is that his name? The guy from Jackie Brown. I
- 18:49Speaker 1: will check that out. Thank you. Four one six Rights
- 18:51Speaker 1: saying hey, I listened to the Bob Marley episode again.
- 18:54Speaker 1: If you love the music in the myth, I highly
- 18:57Speaker 1: recommend going to Montego Bay and looking a tour with
- 19:00Speaker 1: a rasta guide to take you to the Marley estate
- 19:03Speaker 1: in the jungled mountains of Saint Anne. It's a two
- 19:06Speaker 1: hour trip and you see the real Jamaica. The estate
- 19:10Speaker 1: was his mausoleum, the museum in the house in his
- 19:12Speaker 1: bedroom where he wrote music is an epic experience. Is
- 19:16Speaker 1: a ganja tour, and they even make Ganja tea. All
- 19:19Speaker 1: the guides are a rasta. When you're back at the
- 19:22Speaker 1: resort at Montico Bay, do what I did and book
- 19:24Speaker 1: a private visit to Johnny Cash's private estate on Cinnamon Hill.
- 19:28Speaker 1: That's right, Johnny and June lived there. The Cash Museum
- 19:31Speaker 1: in Nashville is great, but the estate is truly remarkable.
- 19:34Speaker 1: Nothing is off limits. His clothes, his shoes, all the
- 19:38Speaker 1: art and memorabilia, and all of the rooms are open.
- 19:42Speaker 1: Nothing is off limits. The whole ground smells wonderful because
- 19:45Speaker 1: the scent of all spice is released every time you
- 19:47Speaker 1: crush one of the ubiquitous curled brown leaves from the trees.
- 19:50Speaker 1: They carpet the yard, and if you like music history,
- 19:52Speaker 1: Jamaica is a must go. Also they have great food.
- 19:56Speaker 1: Everything is spotlessly clean, and people are wonderful. Nothing like
- 20:00Speaker 1: getting your first album model. When you think of Jamaican
- 20:03Speaker 1: for their hospitality, rock a rolla. That's from the four
- 20:06Speaker 1: to one six four one six. Thank you. This sounds amazing.
- 20:10Speaker 1: I've never been to Jamaica and this sounds like a
- 20:12Speaker 1: reason to go. It really does. I didn't know this
- 20:14Speaker 1: was possible, especially the Johnny Cash part. We covered the
- 20:17Speaker 1: Johnny Cash place in Cinnamon Hill in our Johnny Cash
- 20:19Speaker 1: episode and the home invasion that happened there and how
- 20:23Speaker 1: Johnny wiggled his way out of that, and of course,
- 20:25Speaker 1: as you mentioned in the Bob Marley episode, we talk
- 20:27Speaker 1: about his place and what went down. There had no
- 20:32Speaker 1: idea you could visit either of these spaces. This is incredible.
- 20:35Speaker 1: Can you go to Keith Richards's place as well? That's
- 20:37Speaker 1: the question four one six. Appreciate you great message two
- 20:41Speaker 1: seven six where I said, hey, Eric, from the two
- 20:44Speaker 1: seven to six, there's a lot of meat on the
- 20:45Speaker 1: bone on the subject of Arthur Lee in Love and
- 20:49Speaker 1: the musical connections of Bobby Boucelet. I listened to weird
- 20:53Speaker 1: scenes inside the Canyon, and for anyone on the conspiracy,
- 20:56Speaker 1: it's a perfect mortar for the whole of disgraceland. We
- 21:00Speaker 1: were just talking about, as Eric mentions here later in
- 21:02Speaker 1: his text, weird scenes from the Canyon. In last week's
- 21:06Speaker 1: exclusive section of The After Party, I knew of the
- 21:09Speaker 1: Manson family member Bobby Bouselet's connection to Arthur Lee and Love.
- 21:14Speaker 1: I did not know that they turned up in this book.
- 21:18Speaker 1: More reason to read this book. Thank you. Appreciate the text.
- 21:22Speaker 1: Now to our question of the week on which artists
- 21:25Speaker 1: outside of America and England were most influential culturally Dave
- 21:30Speaker 1: writes in from the two four eight In terms of
- 21:32Speaker 1: artists from outside the US and the British Isles who
- 21:35Speaker 1: have influenced modern music the most, there's an obvious answer,
- 21:38Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone else is even close. It's
- 21:41Speaker 1: got to be craft Work. As far as influence on
- 21:44Speaker 1: the modern music world. I think possibly only the Beatles
- 21:48Speaker 1: are more of a pervasive influence. This is a really
- 21:51Speaker 1: good take. I don't know enough about craft Work to
- 21:57Speaker 1: speak to this take, except the fact craft Work obviously
- 22:00Speaker 1: started I think in like nineteen sixty nine or something
- 22:03Speaker 1: like that, nineteen seventy first electronic music. And yeah, the
- 22:08Speaker 1: influence is pretty incredible, although I don't I don't think
- 22:11Speaker 1: they would be cited by many for that influence. Great
- 22:15Speaker 1: great answer too for it. Appreciate you. Five four to
- 22:18Speaker 1: Roh rights in Hey got the package yesterday, amazing you rock.
- 22:21Speaker 1: The autograph was a nice touch. Thank you so much.
- 22:24Speaker 1: What is five four to zero talking about five four
- 22:26Speaker 1: to Zho is talking about the T shirt in a
- 22:29Speaker 1: little note that I sent the five to four to
- 22:31Speaker 1: Roh because the five four to Roh is nice enough
- 22:33Speaker 1: to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify
- 22:36Speaker 1: I can't remember where exactly. Guys, I get asked all
- 22:39Speaker 1: the time, how can we support you? How can we
- 22:40Speaker 1: support the show? That's a very easy way. Just leave
- 22:42Speaker 1: a review. Oftentimes, if you leave a review, you will
- 22:45Speaker 1: hear your review read back to you here in the
- 22:49Speaker 1: after party. And if you do, that is a signal
- 22:52Speaker 1: to text me six one seven nine oh six six
- 22:54Speaker 1: six three eight and let me know that you heard
- 22:57Speaker 1: your review. Cite your handle so I can make sure
- 23:00Speaker 1: you're telling me the truth. And then I will send
- 23:03Speaker 1: you some merch. I don't know what it'll be. Not
- 23:06Speaker 1: everybody gets T shirts. Some people get T shirts. It's
- 23:08Speaker 1: kind of whatever I got lying around on the garage.
- 23:10Speaker 1: You know what I'm sorrying about. Aley Banie eighty eight
- 23:12Speaker 1: writes in on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I originally clicked on
- 23:16Speaker 1: this podcast because of the zombie Elvis icon. I listened
- 23:19Speaker 1: to one episode and I was hooked. I even listen
- 23:21Speaker 1: to artists I know nothing about. Great storyteller, Ali Beanie,
- 23:24Speaker 1: thank you, welcome, Welcome to the club. You are now
- 23:26Speaker 1: a disco. If you're listening to this six one seven
- 23:29Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, hit me up
- 23:31Speaker 1: and I will hit you with some merch. All right, guys,
- 23:33Speaker 1: we'll be back right after this. Got a TV recommendation
- 23:37Speaker 1: for you also, gon gonna dig into some of your
- 23:39Speaker 1: emails and uh get back into the swing right after this.
- 23:55Speaker 1: All right. We haven't done recommendations in a while, so
- 23:57Speaker 1: we're gonna do one right now. I talked about this
- 24:00Speaker 1: in one of the exclusive sections of The After Party recently,
- 24:04Speaker 1: So if you've heard this already, forgive me, but I'm
- 24:06Speaker 1: going to tell I'm going to tell everybody else. For
- 24:10Speaker 1: reasons that I can't quite articulate, I, like much of America,
- 24:16Speaker 1: am currently obsessed with. Well, it's a soap opera. Really,
- 24:22Speaker 1: it's love story, the JFK JR. Carolyn Bissett Story, produced
- 24:29Speaker 1: by Ryan Murphy. I like Ryan Murphy. I'm not ashamed
- 24:32Speaker 1: to admitute I do. He just he does things differently.
- 24:37Speaker 1: He does them well. Yeah, they're sensational at times, sentimental,
- 24:43Speaker 1: overly dramatic. Sure, all those things, but all those things
- 24:47Speaker 1: at the highest possible level. Now, I started watching this
- 24:51Speaker 1: show about a week and a half ago, and I
- 24:54Speaker 1: started watching it. It had nothing to do with the fact,
- 24:59Speaker 1: I swear to God, had nothing to do with the
- 25:00Speaker 1: fact that FX bought ad Space to promote the series.
- 25:05Speaker 1: I just started watching it. I really don't know why
- 25:08Speaker 1: I started why. I mean that the cover of the thumbnail,
- 25:10Speaker 1: it just does not It's not for me. It's clearly
- 25:14Speaker 1: not built for me. But it has sucked me in.
- 25:17Speaker 1: I like the show more than my wife likes this show.
- 25:20Speaker 1: What's that tell you? I talked about this in the
- 25:24Speaker 1: exclusive section. I think the reason I'm so drawn into
- 25:28Speaker 1: this show is the music. The score is fantastic. It's incredible.
- 25:35Speaker 1: It really is great. I made a comparison to the
- 25:40Speaker 1: True Romance score. It doesn't sound like that, but it's
- 25:44Speaker 1: utilized in the same way. It's done really well. In
- 25:47Speaker 1: the time period it is just incredible. It's the nineteen nineties,
- 25:50Speaker 1: it's the early to mid and then it's a whole
- 25:52Speaker 1: it's a whole of the decade pretty much from ninety
- 25:54Speaker 1: two to ninety nine in Manhattan, a period in time
- 25:58Speaker 1: and history when I was in and a ton for
- 26:01Speaker 1: the first time, for my first time as a young man,
- 26:04Speaker 1: and yikes, it just nails it. And the nostalgia vibes
- 26:09Speaker 1: are intense. Score is great. Soundtrack is great as well.
- 26:13Speaker 1: Lo and Behold. I didn't know this until about three
- 26:15Speaker 1: days ago. I'm actually good friends with the music supervisor.
- 26:18Speaker 1: I didn't know my friend Jen had done the music
- 26:21Speaker 1: supervision for this series until I'd watched five episodes of it.
- 26:25Speaker 1: We talked about that. I blew all the smoke as
- 26:28Speaker 1: was necessary because she did a great job. Anyhow, fan
- 26:33Speaker 1: of the Kennedy's not a fan of the Kennedys, just
- 26:36Speaker 1: fan of American history, fan of fan of Manhattan in
- 26:39Speaker 1: the nineties, fan of the nineties, any of these things.
- 26:42Speaker 1: Fan of sensational storytelling done at the highest level. Fans
- 26:45Speaker 1: of Ryan Murphy, Haters of Ryan Murphy check out Love
- 26:49Speaker 1: Story on FX. I think you're gonna dig it, and
- 26:51Speaker 1: if you don't, I get it. Hit me up, tell
- 26:53Speaker 1: me what you think. Six one seven nine oh sixty
- 26:55Speaker 1: six sixty three eight voicemail on text. As it pertains
- 26:57Speaker 1: to the you know, scoring and music supervision and soundtrack
- 27:01Speaker 1: conversation that we've been having because of our new podcast,
- 27:04Speaker 1: this film should be played loud. I feel like, given
- 27:07Speaker 1: how this the music in this show is moving me,
- 27:10Speaker 1: I have to recommend it. So there you go now.
- 27:13Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
- 27:15Speaker 1: voicemail text not the only way to get in touch
- 27:16Speaker 1: with me. You can DM me at disgracelin pod and
- 27:19Speaker 1: you can send me an email. But if you want
- 27:21Speaker 1: to hit me up on X on Instagram, on TikTok,
- 27:24Speaker 1: on Facebook, you know, I just just heads up. I
- 27:27Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably on Instagram more than I am
- 27:31Speaker 1: any other social platform these days. But I kind of
- 27:38Speaker 1: go through phases where, Okay, I'm on Instagram this week,
- 27:41Speaker 1: I'm on X next week, I'm on Facebook for a
- 27:45Speaker 1: week this year. Whatever it is I try, I should
- 27:47Speaker 1: do it more balanced. I can't. I just cannot. It's
- 27:51Speaker 1: too much. It's too my one set of eyes. So
- 27:54Speaker 1: if I don't get back to you, don't hate me.
- 27:56Speaker 1: I will eventually. I try to. Anyways. On Instagram, Buck Blake,
- 28:00Speaker 1: and he writes saying, hey hate Maplethorpe. Buck is referring
- 28:06Speaker 1: referencing a photo I posted in my stories Just Kids.
- 28:10Speaker 1: I read Just Kids yesterday, the Patty Smith book about
- 28:12Speaker 1: her time coming up in Manhattan in the late sixties
- 28:16Speaker 1: early seventies and her friendship and her romance as well
- 28:19Speaker 1: with Robert Maplethorpe, who went on or Mapplethorpe. I'm hearing
- 28:23Speaker 1: a pronounce like that, now, Mapplethorpe. That sounds a little
- 28:25Speaker 1: weird to me. I've always pronounced it as Maplethorpe and
- 28:27Speaker 1: heard it that way. Anyhow, about her time in New
- 28:32Speaker 1: York Patty Smith, because we're doing a Patty Smith episode,
- 28:35Speaker 1: of course, when she's involved in friends and starts her
- 28:39Speaker 1: friendship with Maplethorpe. This is before she's famous, and it's
- 28:42Speaker 1: way before he's famous as well. She actually gets famous
- 28:45Speaker 1: before him. It's a fantastic book. And I would say
- 28:49Speaker 1: to Buck or anyone else if you're not a fan
- 28:52Speaker 1: of Mablethorpe. And I have a lot of problems with Maplethorpe,
- 28:54Speaker 1: I really do, but as an artist, as an actual artist,
- 28:58Speaker 1: the guy did something that nobody had ever done before
- 29:00Speaker 1: with photography. And despite what you think of the subject matter,
- 29:04Speaker 1: which can be challenging, it was even challenging for Patty Smith,
- 29:07Speaker 1: who I'm sure is thought of by many to be
- 29:10Speaker 1: one of the most open minded, freethinking artists in the
- 29:12Speaker 1: history of art. She still had a lot of problems
- 29:16Speaker 1: with maple Thorpe's output, and for good reason. It's very
- 29:19Speaker 1: challenging stuff, regardless if you're a fan or not. I'm
- 29:24Speaker 1: not even a big I'm not a big maple throw fan.
- 29:26Speaker 1: This book is incredible. It's great. I read it in
- 29:29Speaker 1: one day. I sat down yesterday, I got up early.
- 29:32Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling well. I woke up and I just
- 29:34Speaker 1: cracked the book and I just I was done by like,
- 29:38Speaker 1: I don't know, three o'clock, four o'clock, something like that,
- 29:41Speaker 1: maybe earlier. I haven't done that in a while. I
- 29:43Speaker 1: love when that happens. We can just tear through something. Anyhow,
- 29:47Speaker 1: am I recommending just kids? I guess I am. That's
- 29:50Speaker 1: nothing novel. It was like a National Book Award winner.
- 29:53Speaker 1: It's a very popular book, and it will serve as
- 29:57Speaker 1: one of the sources for the Patti Smith story, be
- 30:00Speaker 1: very true crimey story that's gonna be coming up in
- 30:03Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Can't wait for you to hear that.
- 30:05Speaker 1: William Strobe on email rights to us, Hey, I immediately
- 30:08Speaker 1: went to Germany. When you pose the question about influential
- 30:10Speaker 1: bands outside the USA in Great Britain, I went to
- 30:14Speaker 1: kraft Work another craft work. I love this. It's mind
- 30:17Speaker 1: blowing to think that seventies experimental German electronica is important
- 30:22Speaker 1: for the foundation of early rap and hip hop. Africa, Bambada, Soul,
- 30:26Speaker 1: Sonic Force and others had the genius to tap into
- 30:30Speaker 1: such an unlikely musical vein. They were the complete game
- 30:33Speaker 1: changers and became part of the DNA of a new culture.
- 30:36Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. Rock a Rolla from the
- 30:38Speaker 1: two one five two one five William, thank you so much, man,
- 30:41Speaker 1: this is awesome. I love this answer. It was unexpected
- 30:45Speaker 1: and that's that's why I love it. Also, Africa Manbada
- 30:48Speaker 1: is an episode. There some dark shit there, I believe.
- 30:52Speaker 3: Hold.
- 30:52Speaker 1: I'm gonna write that down. Joshua Blevin sends me a
- 30:57Speaker 1: link here Smiley Faced Killers music link. In the interview,
- 31:01Speaker 1: starting sometime after the twenty five minute mark, he mentions
- 31:04Speaker 1: the Smiley Face Killer is an acid house symbol and
- 31:08Speaker 1: ties to the seventies music industry. Have you heard this
- 31:10Speaker 1: and please look into it. I have not heard of this,
- 31:13Speaker 1: and I have no idea what you're talking about, but
- 31:16Speaker 1: I am super intrigued Smiley Face Killers writing this one
- 31:21Speaker 1: down to If anyone knows anything about this, Smiley Face
- 31:27Speaker 1: Killer Killers Crime wants to give me a little more contact,
- 31:32Speaker 1: hit me up to Gray sand at Disgraceandpod six one
- 31:35Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight email as
- 31:37Speaker 1: Gracelandpod at gmail dot com. Now you heard me talking
- 31:41Speaker 1: about it earlier. This film should be played loud. Our
- 31:44Speaker 1: new episode is available for you to watch. What are
- 31:47Speaker 1: you waiting for? Watch? Go ahead, watch watch it. It's
- 31:50Speaker 1: on Boogie Nights. It's on the music of Boogie Knights.
- 31:52Speaker 1: I should say you are not going to be disappointed.
- 31:54Speaker 1: We played a clip from it in last week's episode
- 31:57Speaker 1: of the After Party. We dropped our first episode of
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- 32:33Speaker 1: all the info you need, all right. Listen, Now it's
- 32:36Speaker 1: time for the sports rant, Okay, the sixty second sports
- 32:39Speaker 1: rant and under thirty seconds sponsored by our friends at
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- 33:02Speaker 1: a lot to rant about right now. Someone emailed me
- 33:04Speaker 1: and said, I don't think you understand the concept of
- 33:06Speaker 1: a long suffering sports fan being from New England, and
- 33:09Speaker 1: you know you're right, You're right. I was being a
- 33:11Speaker 1: little facetious. There was being a little bit of a
- 33:12Speaker 1: smart guy. You know. I guess what my gripe is
- 33:15Speaker 1: right now is we're in the dead zone. I can't
- 33:17Speaker 1: get into basketball until the playoffs. You know this. I've
- 33:19Speaker 1: talked about this before. I'm a fly by night Celtics fan.
- 33:22Speaker 1: The Bruins this year, I know they're not ultimately going anywhere.
- 33:26Speaker 1: Despite flashes of playing well, they're hard to get into.
- 33:29Speaker 3: You know.
- 33:30Speaker 1: My reasons for being dismayed with the Boston Red Sox
- 33:35Speaker 1: and we are a long way from football season, so
- 33:40Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, what am I doing? What am
- 33:42Speaker 1: I gonna do? I watched Slapshot again the other night,
- 33:43Speaker 1: which I typically do around this time of year because
- 33:45Speaker 1: it is probably the best sports film of all time.
- 33:48Speaker 1: But I have to say this is gonna be less
- 33:50Speaker 1: of a rant and more of a rave. I went
- 33:52Speaker 1: on a Netflix and I broke down and I started
- 33:54Speaker 1: watching The Gambler in His Cowboys, America's team. The Gambler
- 33:58Speaker 1: in His Cowboys story Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys
- 34:01Speaker 1: from the nineties, and it's really a history of the
- 34:04Speaker 1: Jerry Jones era of the Cowboys, just from what he
- 34:07Speaker 1: bought the team until now. Basically, well, I haven't finished it,
- 34:09Speaker 1: but I gotta say this is the point. This is excellent.
- 34:13Speaker 1: This is excellent storytelling. I love the Cowboys. I'm happy
- 34:17Speaker 1: they're not my team, but as a casual fan Cowboys,
- 34:20Speaker 1: you gotta give it to them. They're one of the
- 34:21Speaker 1: most entertaining franchises in all of sports, both presently and historically.
- 34:26Speaker 1: So less of a rant this week, more of a
- 34:29Speaker 1: sports rave. Check out America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys.
- 34:33Speaker 1: If you haven't already. I think you're gonna dig it
- 34:34Speaker 1: if you're looking for some sports vives right now in
- 34:36Speaker 1: this dead zone. All right, Matt, did I get that
- 34:39Speaker 1: in under thirty seconds? I don't believe I did. Anyways,
- 34:41Speaker 1: that was the sports rant disguised as a sports rave
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- 35:00Speaker 2: I will be back in a flash.
- 35:15Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Thank you for hanging out
- 35:17Speaker 1: with me and this after party. We mentioned Bob Marley.
- 35:19Speaker 1: Of course we had the rewind last week. We also
- 35:21Speaker 1: talked about Johnny Cash, Keith Richards, Elvis. I mentioned James
- 35:25Speaker 1: Burton because of Elvis Presley, but James Burton also played
- 35:28Speaker 1: with Graham Parsons. We have a great Grand Parsons episode,
- 35:30Speaker 1: got episodes on all these artists. We mentioned. Matt's going
- 35:33Speaker 1: to have the information on how you can find him
- 35:36Speaker 1: in the archive in the show notes section of this
- 35:39Speaker 1: here bonus episode all right, let's recap, shall we? This
- 35:41Speaker 1: week our new episode, part two of the in Excess Story.
- 35:44Speaker 1: Our Rewind episode coming up right after this is on
- 35:47Speaker 1: Public Enemy. Next week we are exploring the life, times,
- 35:52Speaker 1: and music of towns van Zandt As always Eth Lundy's
- 35:56Speaker 1: giving you those hollywooded true crime vibes in Hollywoodlands. Sure
- 36:00Speaker 1: you're subscribe to the Hollywood Lamb podcast wherever you get
- 36:02Speaker 1: your podcasts. This film should be played loud. Our new
- 36:06Speaker 1: episode our video podcast on Boogie Nights that's available right now.
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- 36:14Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Your
- 36:16Speaker 1: voice keeps us digging into the dark corners music history.
- 36:19Speaker 1: So keep calling, keep texting, keep hit me up with
- 36:21Speaker 1: your answers to this week's question of the week, or
- 36:23Speaker 1: with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven.
- 36:26Speaker 1: Don't forget this goes. This isn't just content. It's a community,
- 36:29Speaker 1: a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books,
- 36:33Speaker 1: records in the crime and grime that ties them all
- 36:35Speaker 1: together like you do. And well that's a disgrace. On
- 36:39Speaker 1: January twenty first, nineteen ninety seven, the kernel Tom Parker
- 36:45Speaker 1: passed away, and here's what America was listening to on
- 36:49Speaker 1: that day. Number one Unbreak My Heart Tony Braxton last
- 36:55Speaker 1: week one peak position one weeks on chart. Team number
- 37:01Speaker 1: two Don't Let Go, Love and Vote. Last week I
- 37:05Speaker 1: Believe peak positions two weeks on charts eleven, number three
- 37:11Speaker 1: FT I Believe I Can Fly Space Channel four last
- 37:16Speaker 1: week to peak position featuring two number five weeks on chart.
- 37:20Speaker 1: I Believe six Number four Nobody Keith Sweat featuring Athena
- 37:26Speaker 1: Cage last week for peak position three weeks on chart.
- 37:31Speaker 1: Last six number five. Quit talking and start mixing.