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Hard Knocks Seahawks Premiere: Live Reaction & Instant Breakdown · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Brandan: And welcome to the Seahawkers podcast.
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I'm your host, Brandan Schulze, and I am joined by my good buddy
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Clinton Bonner, as we are doing a Hard Knocks post episode recap.
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So hopefully everybody tuned in right when it was available on HBO if,
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i- if you're going to follow along with this conversation, because,
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we, we were right there at the beginning, and, here we go, buddy.
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Clinton: Blue Angels, the whole thing already, Brandan.
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Spoiler alert, the spoilers will spill out.
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So if you have, have not watched it yet, well, I don't know what to tell you.
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Get in.
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But Brandan, winners get sprinkles, and our Seattle Seahawks got
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a whole bunch of sprinkles.
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And I feel like the entire content community and all the 12s, all
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the Flockers, that was fun.
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And it was like, I was very kind of enamored with…
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I love storytelling, and I kind of like documentaries in general.
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But dude, what, 55 minutes, and there's probably three, four, five
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major storylines they pumped in there.
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And I'm excited to see what you thought was the most like, you know, maybe flashy
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or fun or exciting or, or net new for you.
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But dude, kudos to the people who put that all together because that's
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a lot to jam in one episode in one week of NFL, you know, pre-season.
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That was awesome.
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Brandan: They, they packed in, America With the Blue Angels and the Eagle.
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And the Bald Eagles.
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Yeah, yeah.
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they packed in, vomit.
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they packed in, Brady Russell getting peed on.
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Yeah.
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and, and they packed in a monster truck, like right at the beginning with
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Minotaur Derick Hall rolling in in, the truck that I think we all wish
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that we had when we were 10 years old.
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Clinton: The coolest part about that truck is that when you watch
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Derick Hall, you know, on whatever other stuff you might follow him, you
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realize he puts those things together.
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Like that's the cool part.
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Like he doesn't just go buy a cool truck.
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He works on trucks like that with his hands and his brain.
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So, kudos to Derick Hall, not just for the short shorts, because
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boy oh boy, Brandan, they were leaving little to the imagination.
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Brandan: The short shorts.
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I know, Lisa was excited-
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about the short shorts and Derick Hall.
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We've got our live executive producer, Ryan911, coming in with a 999 super chat.
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That was awesome.
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I need a get the F lined up hoodie.
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maybe, maybe we start there with our favorite lines because, I've
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got a question for you, Clinton.
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Clinton: Yes.
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Brandan: Where's my super suit?
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Clinton: Amazing.
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Love Leo breaking out, the Incredibles breaking out, you know, Samuel L.
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Jackson, Frozone.
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I gotta tell you, I wa- I wanna hear about your favorite line as
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well from the entire episode too.
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But for me, I w- I, I wr- I went into this, Brandan, really in
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love with the man Leo Williams.
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I exit this maybe more in love with the man Leo Williams.
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Didn't think it was possible.
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Did not think it was possible, Brandan, but here I am, 55 minutes later, being
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like, "That dude might be my favorite human being on the entire planet."
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And, I don't know what to say about it.
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Just he's- He's got, he's got it all.
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And there was other things he did in this episode that I
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thought were really cool too.
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But I love that line.
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What was your favorite line of, or most memorable for you?
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Brandan: Okay.
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My, my favorite part, it, it was actually a combination of lines between
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two people because you had, little Jack Macdonald in the office out looking
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over the football field, and his, he's saying to his mom, "Football."
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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" Brandan: Football."
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And then the very next line you hear is Sam Darnold saying- Sam … "Football."
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Great, great editing.
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Did you notice, so Jack Macdonald's, he's, you know, got a driver in the office.
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That's always great with a, with a, you know, the mom there,
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I think her name's Stephanie.
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and did you notice the jersey that little Jack Macdonald was rocking?
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Brandan: He was rocking, Mr.
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Witherspoon's jersey.
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Clinton: He sure was.
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That's right, a 21 jersey, right?
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So just these little droplets, just these little things, these little hints.
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That section where, where they really kind of just dialed
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in with, with Schneider, and then back to Spoon in his car.
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He's like, "You know, when you got a player like me," just, he's like-
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Just, just pay me.
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You know, just like, it was kind of simple, like just pay a great,
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unbelievable corner that could do all the things that I can go do.
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Do you, did you exit, we talked about it this, this week a bit in a
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couple different shows, did you exit this episode more confident, less
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confident that Spoon will get paid?
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And like on the Soon-O-Meter, what did, what did you think?
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Anything change for you?
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Brandan: I, I think I exited being confident.
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Because I, I don't think that they set up that storyline
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without it paying off, right?
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Yeah.
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Because th- they've kind of set it up now with, okay, they talked about the
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agent and having, and John Schneider being, oh, real concerned about the,
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that Spoon was wigged out by the fact that it went out in the media- Mm-hmm
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and felt like it was the, the organization trying to pressure him.
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And them going, "Hey, you gotta, you gotta get on the phone with the agent
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to say it wasn't coming from us."
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Then you had Spoon in the car.
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So I, I feel like it, it's getting the ball rolling to pay off
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before the end of Hard Knocks.
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Clinton: I like that.
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So what was it, five episode run, correct?
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We got four more.
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Brandan: It is five episodes, yeah.
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Clinton: Okay.
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So maybe by, by the time…
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'Cause it's one of those things where if there's a real arc, you
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don't do this in like episode five.
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You take care of it somewhere like three and a half, four, so you can
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like continue the, continue the Spoon story and the arc into the season
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without worry hanging over you.
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You know, like you watch a superhero movie, the last scene is
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not the, him beating the villain.
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There's, there's, they beat the villain and then there's some conclusion
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where, where storylines wrap up.
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So this is Hollywood after all, Brandan, so three and a half weeks in or so,
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Spoon will be signed, put in the books.
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Brandan: I, I do feel like, yeah, there's a story to be told there and,
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and the fact that they started with that.
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Just the idea too of what a great, thing for Hard Knocks, and
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appreciate Michael Knight coming in with the $10 Super Chat.
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But-
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Clinton: Yes,
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Brandan: thank you … what a, what a great thing for Hard Knocks.
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Because so much in the past- We get bad teams.
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Yeah.
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And now we get the Super Bowl champions.
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And so we get to see what it's like.
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A- and it, and it started off in the episode, right?
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With the, the ring ceremony, and gosh, the, the frigging rings dropping down
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from the ceiling- … so that everybody could get theirs all at the same time.
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and, that was almost as wild as Derick Hall's truck.
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Clinton: Almost.
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I love the very, very beginning, with the rings.
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We knew they came down from the ceiling.
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We, we, you know, saw that on social media previously.
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What I loved was, I like a little bit buzzed John Schneider.
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I'm a fan of a little bit buzzed John Schneider.
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He gets l- a little loose, and you can see in the very beginning, I
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think he's talking to Kupp, 'cause Cooper already saw the ring, 'cause I
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think he was like, 'cause he's in…
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He's at…
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Well, Cooper's at everything.
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Cooper's at Taylor Swift's wedding.
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Cooper is a coach.
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And Cooper apparently helped design the ring with De Beers.
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But all these things, but you get John a little bit loose.
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You see he's got a glass of beer, very fancy Art Deco glass of beer, by the way.
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Very nice.
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Very classy.
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but you get John a little bit loose.
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You know, you can hear a little bit of a slur to his speech,
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and you can see he's having fun.
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And then you get Mike with the little bit of scotch, nice and neat, classy.
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And then you see John back up on the stage, and he's, he's cheers, and while
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the, while everybody's celebrating the, the Super Bowl, so the, the rings.
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That was a cool start, and it was…
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One, one other thing I think that also you mentioned, like, we got bad
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teams and some bad organizations in years past with, with Hard Knocks.
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In general, I think the Seattle organization looks great.
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You know, not only are they Super Bowl champions, but it j- like, the
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facilities, the VMAX, the way, the setting, the team, the coach, the
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smarts, the, the fired-upness of the assistant coaches, the, the depth of
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some of the veterans on this team.
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Like, the holistic picture so far is, like, this is an
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extremely well organization.
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And while some things in Hollywood are, you know, kind of fan fiction, Brandan,
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I don't think that one is actually…
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They don't gotta stretch to be like, "This is a very well-run organization."
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Brandan: Yeah.
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And I think that's gotta be one of the big takeaways to start things off, right?
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It was, that's, it, just the approach and, and the way of building it.
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we, we, we've gotten little bits here and there through the press conferences,
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through the reporting of, of, what it sounds like behind the scenes.
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But then, you know, the cameras take us in to…
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You know, we get to see the, the PowerPoint up on the, up on
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the screen of, of how they wanna do things and, and talking about…
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Now, I wasn't super happy that they let loose Mike Macdonald's secret
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sauce and, and him quoting the, the secret sauce is connection.
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'Cause I, I really do think that that's what it is.
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And,- A- and, and so I think he's onto something there.
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So, beyond all that I think that one of the cooler things for me too
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was this was the first time that we got to see Coach Mike with just
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one-on-one with individual players- Mm
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and seeing how those types of interactions go.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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I mean, and it's, it's…
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He seems a bit more, even more natural in the one-on-one settings, where he,
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where he s- seems to be probably still finding his voice as a head coach.
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And I love when he's in front of the full room, he's…
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And he knows it, but he's got a little bit of Michael Scott to
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him, but in an endearing way.
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But he's a, he's an insanely competent Michael Scott.
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Like, take all the great things- Sure … that Michael Scott is as a caring human
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being for the humans he cares for, right?
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In a fictional show.
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But, but he's got that awkwardness, and he leans into that awkwardness
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in front of a, a larger crowd.
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One-on-one, you know, he's, he's got, he puts on the, the
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psychology hat strongly, right?
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And really kind of keeps fo- the team and the players individually seemingly
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focused on what they need to focus on.
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I think the Nick Emmanwori piece was pretty cool.
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It's nice that, like, Mike could have a conversation like that in
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front of cameras and all, all that jazz, but he, like, to me, he didn't
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have to go say too much to Nick.
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He actually could be like, "Well, what do you think I'm gonna say?"
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Like, what, that, "You've heard this before.
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What do you think I'm gonna say here?"
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And, and that was kind of neat.
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It w- I liked that as well, Brandan.
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So don't know if you had more about his kind of psychology
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hat, or I also wanted to ask you about, did anything concern you?
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I just brought, brought up Nick Emmanwori.
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Any concerns about that piece or, or anything else we saw in the episode?
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Brandan: I, the, I suppose the concern is just over, around the concern that,
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how much they, emphasis they put on Nick Emmanwori being- Mm-hmm …
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an important part of that defense.
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We got J Scott AZ in chat saying, "In a way, his philosophy seems the
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opposite of the do your job idea."
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Mm.
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"Do your job feels so individual focused."
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And, the one thing that I, I liked from Mike with that interaction
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with Nick Emmanwori was him saying, you know, "The number one thing is
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what's best for you and the team."
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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Brandan: And that was the quote that I took away from that.
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the, the next thing was, h- how even, you got to see even
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Coach Mike taking or having, w- taking receipts, right?
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The, the- Yeah … Rex Ryan bit and- Yep … and him saying, "This new
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hotshot coordinator is terrible," and how that stuck with him, and, yeah.
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The, that's, he's even kept taking note of that and how he's
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turned Rex Ryan around from that.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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I, I do…
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It's nice because you, you don't really get even that side of Mike
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too often or think that he's,…
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You know, we all have a bit of pettiness, and, and maybe that's pettiness, maybe
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it's not, but just that I'm gonna keep that in my little locker and keep
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that chip on my shoulder type thing.
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And, you know, for Mike at this point, after a…
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I mean, he, he's so young, and yet he has very little, in my
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opinion, to prove as an NFL coach, which has gotta be his own battle.
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You know, like- But I think he's wired, extraordinarily well to not only lead
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the men in that room and, and everybody in the, in the organization, but to
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keep challenging himself in a way, too.
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You know?
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I think these-- He, while he's talking about the '91 Bulls, which is cool, and
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about how Phil Jackson got basically Michael Jordan to spread the ball around
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or the team to s- to stop relying on Jordan to dump 50 every mon- every
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night, and they got better as a team.
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But in the back of my head, I'm like, I understand the point of like, yeah,
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we wanna go get better, but we were 17 and 3 last year, and I didn't
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feel like there was a Michael Jordan.
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It felt like, to me, last year was more like, well, that was kinda
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like the '91 Bulls already somehow.
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Right.
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So maybe are we…
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Is the point, well, we could just march on to the '92, '93 portion of this.
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I, I was kind of tussling with that.
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That was more
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Brandan: my takeaway of it, is just that importance of that was
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what got them there the first time- Mm … and now this is what we need
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to continue to go on to, to do the two-peat, three-peat, type thing.
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So y- that was definitely more of my takeaway with it.
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And Amy Helms in chat saying, "Didn't feel as much like receipts as I don't want to
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be the guy that cares about that anymore."
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Because yeah, th- it was one of the things that we heard from Mike,
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too, is that he was that guy- Yeah
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Clinton: Now
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Brandan: very- He has moved on from that.
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Clinton: Yeah, very, very good point there, Amy.
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We're gonna dissect that further.
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You're, you're, you ain't wrong, a- as we'd say.
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So, so that was…
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So the Emmanwori part was interesting to me as well, not just the
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conversation, but the clear…
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And again, you know, HBO is gonna capture what they capture and
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they're gonna create narratives.
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That's what documentaries do.
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You leave out way, way more than you put in.
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That's just the way it goes.
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But he still said what he said about, like, when he's sitting around
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the couch being like, "Hey, if we don't have Nick, he's a pretty,
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pretty big freaking loss, right?"
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And he has to look around and be like, "Right?"
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You know?
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So interesting, and, you know, h- hopefully Nick is just making
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his way back easily to week one.
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But I mean, dude, it's August 4th right now, and we play a game in 35 days.
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So- Is
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Brandan: that right?
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Clinton: I, I just…
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What, September 9, right?
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So-
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Brandan: Yeah
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… Clinton: I just wonder if he'll be actually ready if
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he's scooting about a week ago.
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It, it seems a little bit, it seems a little unreasonable to think
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he'll be out there full speed if last week he was scooting around.
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Brandan: Yeah.
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Well, that'll be part of the storyline too.
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So,- Sure … we'll get to see how, how that continues to go.
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Michael Knight in chat saying, "I even, I have even less doubt now.
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We are building a dynasty based solely on the quality of brass we have.
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Hopefully, the new ownership team stays out of the building."
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yes, we, we can, we can hope that, that it just continues
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to build on last season.
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DJ Nichols saying, "More than the talent on the team, Mike's
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whole philosophy has me delusional that we really can repeat."
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That, I, y- and yeah, I don't think it's delusion to, to think that it can,
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to think that we can't repeat.
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Marlon85 saying, "Do you think a deal has been done, but
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waiting to make a storyline?"
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I, I think the- Maybe … I don't think that they would be able to
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keep that under wraps, Marlon.
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But I think that they probably know enough between the two sides that,
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that it has to resolve itself, I think, by the start of the season.
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I, I think that I just don't know if they would feature it that much if both
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sides don't have that sense that there's going to be a resolution at some point.
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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I-
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Brandan: And that's more where I was going with it, not, not necessarily that I, I
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think that they, they're keeping it under wraps only to resolve it on the show.
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Clinton: Well, and it's also not that big of a surprise.
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Like, it's going to happen.
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He's going to get, he's going to get paid.
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And you c- And the, the nice part from this, the last thing I'd say about
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Spoon is, you know, he's not sitting there with a, with a grump on his face.
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You know, he's there, he's very, very engaged, he's having fun, he's barking,
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he's talking, you know, talking his talk, and he's just, he's out there smiling.
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You know, so he's not sitting there like, you know, "Woe is me, I haven't gotten
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my, my $150 million extension yet."
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He knows it's coming, which, which I think is really cool.
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So Brandan, there was, you know, let's see.
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There was a kind of a, there was a segment on Sam, there was a segment on
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Eman, there was a segment on, Spoon.
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one player and room we haven't talked about yet at all, we
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haven't talked running backs yet.
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What'd you think about the running backs segment in general, and some
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of the shine that they were clearly putting on JD, or, you know, JP,
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very, very early in his career?
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Brandan: Yeah, we got to see senior offensive assistants and running
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backs coach Thomas Hammock, leading the meeting room there,
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and, that was interesting.
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I, I think, we had some- Yeah, the F
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Clinton: bomb Thomas, the F bomb Hammock.
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Brandan: Yeah, he- Thomas the F bomb Hammock, yes.
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He likes that word.
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no, no, no censor ship, on HBO, so, you get it all.
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And yeah, so we didn't get to hear from Jadarian Price, but we got to hear from
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all of the teammates, we even got to hear a little bit from the coaches.
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We got to see Coach Hamm saying, that, he doesn't talk much,
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but, that he's very competitive.
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Mm-hmm.
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We got to see Spoon and Byron Murphy, both, being impressed
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with, with Jadarian Price.
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We got to see him catching passes downfield.
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So, yeah, he was well featured despite not being micd up.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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well said.
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The, the Price stuff, of all the things you just mentioned, you
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know, the footage is gorgeous.
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He's a- carved out of marble, he's absolutely jacked.
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he did, he did speak a little bit, right?
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He had, like, a little segment where he was talking off-camera, like one-to-one.
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He did.
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Okay.
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He was, like, in the facility.
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and extremely, extremely smart dude, coming from Notre Dame.
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And so to go from Notre Dame, which is very, very well run in, from a college
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football sense, to the Seahawks, very well run, he seems very
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grateful to be there, which I think is amazing and, and very cool to see.
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The Byron Murphy stuff, when he's talking about- Price's cutback ability.
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Like to me, that's the biggest blossoming, like, okay cool.
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First of all, Murphy knows a lot about stopping the run in the NFL.
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A lot, a lot, a lot.
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And when he can spot a talent that could cut back a field and go back against
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the grain, you know, okay, so they're pr- whatever, they're running right,
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and, and the lane, and it overshifts and he, he has to break it back left
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and, you know, bounce it around the edge, or take it back through the,
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the three or something like that.
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But to hear Murphy be like, "Yeah, the way he moves when he, when he wants to
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cut it back against the grain," he's like, he's like, "That's something."
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So that got me excited, Brandan, because again, Murphy's seen a lot,
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and this goes back to his Texas days.
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He played high, high level college football, and and
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he's been on a, a heck of a line.
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So that part in particular, mixed with the footage, I was like, oh man, I think,
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I think Price's stock in general, like fantasy football stock and all that
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stuff, I guarantee you his stock as a, oh man, he's, he might be the, the,
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the starter, is rising as we speak.
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Brandan: Yeah.
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It, it'll be interesting to see if they give us any more shots of
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the board and the general manager.
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I don't know if it was, in John Schneider's office, but I think it was.
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Clinton: Right, right,
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Brandan: when they had the blank names.
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Yeah Of, of the board that they had all the names, and everything was blurred
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out, but obviously they were pointing at the running back where it was about
19:42
five deep, and you had one pushed in a little bit, which I have to assume was
19:47
Zach Charbonnet because he's injured.
19:49
Mm.
19:49
And so, you know, who, how do you know if there's, a couple names
19:53
above, or you, you could see there was a couple names above there, and you
19:57
could see in the quarterback's area too where it was, you had one name-
20:01
One … and then you had two side by
20:03
Clinton: side.
20:03
One, two.
20:03
Yep, yep, yep.
20:04
So- You noticed that too, right?
20:06
Very good.
20:07
I, I- Trying to
20:08
Brandan: pick up as much as I can because-
20:09
Clinton: I know …
20:09
Brandan: you know, th-
20:10
Clinton: Oh no, they, hey, the cameras are there, you know, for us Matlocks.
20:13
Now the fu- I have to admit, when you just said what you said, that
20:16
the cameras were, the cameras blurred the names, I didn't realize that.
20:21
I was like, oh, they're just all blank and they're setting them up for later.
20:24
I liter- I literally thought that.
20:26
That's what I thought, and then like, of course, they just
20:28
blurred the names, dum-dum.
20:29
So that's on me.
20:31
that's, that, that's me.
20:33
That's dumb.
20:34
But, that, what you said makes a lot of sense, 'cause that was true, but the
20:37
quarterback part was interesting, right?
20:39
Yeah.
20:39
Just like, okay, you know.
20:40
So is there a battle at two?
20:42
And-
20:43
Brandan: Well, we heard there was a battle at two.
20:44
Clinton: Correct
20:45
Brandan: Based off of what, Ian Rapoport's reporting, right?
20:48
And we kinda made fun of it a little bit.
20:50
Well, of course, you know, the, the two quarterbacks- Right … behind
20:53
Sam are gonna be battling.
20:54
But when you see the names side by side, it does, I think- Give
20:59
that maybe a little more…
21:01
It, it gives the reporting a little bit more…
21:03
There, there's more to it- Yeah … than just the obviousness of it.
21:07
Clinton: Well, and the thing with this team is, we talk about
21:10
it a lot, it's a deep roster.
21:12
So when you get down to 53 in your practice squad, and who can you sneak
21:15
to the practice squad, look, keeping three quarterbacks, it, it stops
21:20
you from keeping one other dude, who might be Emmanuel Henderson, right?
21:24
If Cody White's the…
21:25
So just guys like that that are, like, solid.
21:28
so that part's very interesting to me too, because whatever, I think A- Adams
21:32
Do Better was the guy who, like, had these trade ideas and was like, "Trade Milroe."
21:37
It's like, no, I, I think the way more likely scenario, if they were to make
21:41
a trade, would be if Milroe progresses the way he seems to be, would be one
21:48
quarterback is going to get hurt.
21:49
I hate to say it, and I'm not saying a Seahawks quarterback.
21:51
I mean, a quarterback in the NFL is gonna get hurt in the next four weeks.
21:54
Brandan: Right.
21:54
Clinton: And you, if, if Milroe is ready to take over that true two
21:57
spot, well, then you trade Drew.
21:59
You say, "Drew, go ahead.
22:00
Go, go play football."
22:01
Go be a
22:01
Brandan: number one somewhere.
22:02
Clinton: Go be a- Yeah
22:02
go play.
22:03
Go throw the ball around, dude.
22:04
You know you can.
22:05
And you give him a crack to go do that, and you probably recoup
22:07
a third or a fourth, because of the, because of the need.
22:11
Not, not that he would get that in Nev- normally, but in that situation,
22:14
he might, he might garner that.
22:16
especially if it's a team that feels that they could compete or if it's,
22:19
like, the quarterback's out for six weeks, not the full year type thing.
22:23
Stuff happens.
22:24
So it'll just be interesting to watch- Well, we play the Cowboys on
22:28
the 15th, I think, is the first game.
22:30
How much Milroe we see, how progressed he is.
22:33
But I mean, he, we didn't get a lot of him in, in, in Hard Knocks.
22:36
I know we're reviewing that now, but we got a lot of Milroe this last past
22:39
week, and he does look markedly better, so certainly something to watch.
22:43
Brandan: Yeah.
22:43
It'll be interesting if we get a little more depth at the, the
22:47
quarterback battle- Mm-hmm … as we go throughout, the, the Hard Knocks.
22:51
You know, one thing we haven't talked about yet was what was featured at the
22:54
end, Clinton, and that was the fighting.
22:57
Clinton: Yeah,
22:57
Brandan: yeah.
22:57
We got some fighting.
22:59
Clinton: I didn't mind it.
22:59
You know, especially as you watch…
23:02
I don't think Mike, more importantly, like what do I mind?
23:04
It's like, oh, cool.
23:06
Yeah, dude.
23:06
but more importantly, Mike Macdonald didn't mind it either.
23:10
He didn't like some of the cheap stuff.
23:12
He didn't like- Yeah … some of the kinda name-calling stuff, and he called it out.
23:14
Brandan: And the stuff that he didn't like, he- He
23:15
Clinton: called out directly
23:16
Brandan: yeah, he called it out and
23:18
- Clinton: Right, right
23:18
… Brandan: and, yeah, tried
23:19
Clinton: to fix the
23:19
Brandan: issue.
23:20
But,
23:20
Clinton: but, or/and as it was starting to simmer, it's because Mike's
23:25
like, "Hey, we're, we're losing this…
23:27
We're losing 15-1."
23:28
He's like, "We're losing 16-1," the way, whatever the however they keep
23:31
their scoring mechanism- Mm … like play by play, or maybe it's series
23:34
by series, probably play by play.
23:36
But he's like, he's like, "Hey, defense, you're getting your ass handed to you
23:40
by the offense over and over and over."
23:43
I mean, you know, in, in a hockey game, you go down 2-0, 3-0 and you're
23:46
getting pushed around, usually you're…
23:49
Somebody drops the gloves.
23:50
You try to stimulate something, and you try to ma- you lit-
23:55
literally try to manufacture something to s- create a spark.
23:59
It's no different.
24:00
luckily, you know, no one's getting hurt and stuff like that.
24:03
I do- I personally don't mind the fighting whatsoever.
24:06
you know, a- and then if they wanna get mad at Hall for
24:08
ripping a guy down from the back-
24:09
Brandan: From behind, yeah
24:10
… Clinton: from Cable do.
24:11
don't hurt anybody, that, that's all.
24:13
But, but the chippiness I think is very, very healthy in my opinion.
24:17
Brandan: Yeah.
24:18
I, I think that, well, and that's something that we see in every
24:21
training camp, I- Yeah … feel like.
24:23
I haven't watched Hard Knocks, but I have to imagine that's not the first
24:26
time that a fight has been featured.
24:28
Clinton: Didn't, didn't Metcalf swing a helmet a couple of years ago?
24:31
Like, hard.
24:31
Brandan: Oh, yeah.
24:31
Yeah.
24:32
it- that was at a training camp that I think I was even at.
24:35
It, that seemed, yeah, more brutal than even what we saw here, so.
24:39
Clinton: Well, yeah, 'cause he was using a weapon.
24:41
Right.
24:42
Yes.
24:42
Helmets hurt, man.
24:43
Brandan: So yeah, Derick Hall just, going after Cable do from behind.
24:47
But, yeah, and that, that felt like the more serious one because
24:52
it was, like, Connor O'Toole and Bobby Horton getting into it.
24:55
Yeah.
24:55
And I'm like, "Okay, well, if these guys, fight, okay."
25:00
But, yeah, it got, a little more serious I felt like with,
25:04
Derick Hall getting into it.
25:06
Clinton: Yeah, I agree.
25:07
and then, and then the more playful side of it after practice, they show the
25:11
hugging and all that stuff, which was fun.
25:13
But how about Derick Hall trying to wrestle Leo Williams- Yes
25:16
and Leo Williams being like, what'd he call him?
25:20
Unc.
25:20
He called himself Unc.
25:21
Yeah.
25:21
He's like, "Nah," he has, he has, like, that Unc strength.
25:24
I mean, imagine how strong Derick Hall is 'cause I can tell you, he's really strong.
25:27
You know, he's like this- He's really strong.
25:28
He's really
25:28
Brandan: strong.
25:28
He has, he has, like, the long arm leverage too.
25:31
Clinton: Yes.
25:32
Brandan: Yeah.
25:32
And Leo still,- Still- … took it over and took him down.
25:35
Clinton: Yeah, that was another reason Leo was my favorite.
25:37
But still,
25:37
Brandan: with that too, I'm thinking, "Oh, please don't get hurt.
25:39
Please don't get hurt."
25:40
Right.
25:40
Of
25:40
Clinton: course.
25:41
But…
25:41
Yeah, of, of…
25:42
Absolutely.
25:43
Don't get hurt.
25:44
and luckily just whatever the…
25:45
It was a clean takedown by Leo, but just goes to show you
25:49
freaking Leo's absolute- Yeah
25:51
crazy, crazy strength.
25:53
yeah, I mean, man.
25:54
So I get to l- we get the Fro Zone.
25:56
Oh, how about one last, one last…
25:57
Well, we've got Sam.
25:58
Mm-hmm.
25:58
Anything about Sam.
26:00
Spinning the ball, it looks beautiful.
26:02
It's in slow motion, how could it not look good?
26:04
but any takeaways from our quarterback?
26:09
Brandan: Man, he just…
26:11
Well, I think the one quote that stood out was him having to remind himself
26:19
or, or being reminded that, yeah, we, we won the Super Bowl, and I kind
26:23
of love that about him, that he…
26:25
It didn't stick with him like, like, oh, going into the season, "Well, hey, now
26:30
I'm, I'm Super Bowl champion Sam Darnold."
26:32
he obviously doesn't think that because it, it j- seems like Sam hasn't
26:38
changed because of, of, you know, the team going the distance last year.
26:44
Clinton: I, I think so, too.
26:45
You know, he see- he seems extremely well-grounded and kind of satisfied.
26:50
I'm not saying he's not hungry and trying to get better every day,
26:52
but, like, not that like, "Ooh, I've arrived, so I can stop," but
26:57
more like, "I've, I'm here, and I'm, and I'm at a good spot," you know?
27:02
He seems, he seems settled in that way, and I mean that in a
27:04
positive way, not the negative way.
27:06
Brandan: Now are you concerned, though, that he dropped the ring?
27:10
Clinton: Not really.
27:11
It was tricky.
27:11
It came from the ceiling, so I'm not, I'm not too concerned, right?
27:14
So, you know, his more important ring with the fiancée that became the
27:18
wife, successful, so all, all good.
27:20
But yeah, that was…
27:21
The, the piece for Sam that I thought was a little bit constructed
27:25
by the HBO gods was when they jammed the LeBron stuff in there.
27:29
They j- you know, like, I know LeBron's news.
27:31
He's the biggest basketball player in the world.
27:32
I get all that.
27:33
But when they're talking about like, and Sam says, "Oh, man,"
27:36
the people are getting on him 'cause he went to Philadelphia,
27:38
and Philadelphia's a good team.
27:39
Brandan: Oh.
27:40
Clinton: I was like, "Sam, are you projecting a little bit,
27:42
like, a little, a little bit?
27:43
Is there some projection here that you, you're manifesting?"
27:46
I thought-
27:46
Brandan: He thinks he's LeBron.
27:47
Yeah.
27:47
That obviously- … that's what Sam's there.
27:49
Clearly.
27:50
Clinton: He's, well,
27:50
Brandan: they had- He's, he's definitely directly comparing
27:52
himself to LeBron James.
27:53
Clinton: Well, they had the goat at the beginning when Brady Russell got, got
27:56
peed on, and Brady Russell seems like fun.
27:59
One dude you want at a wedding with you- Of course
28:00
Brandan: he would be the one to pick up the goat.
28:02
Clinton: Exactly.
28:03
" Brandan: Oh, I can pick him up?"
28:03
Clinton: Exactly.
28:04
"Oh, it's a, it's a full petting zoo?
28:06
That means I can pick the goat up?"
28:08
You know, you're…
28:08
He's like, like Sloth.
28:09
Like, you're, "You're gonna live with us now," right?
28:12
It's like, by the way, the end of "Goonies," what, what are the cops doing?
28:15
There's a billion dollars floating away slowly, slowly.
28:20
They're like, "Ah, just don't worry about the, the pirate ship
28:22
with billions of dollars in gold."
28:24
And then they're gonna let Chunk and family just take home Sloth.
28:28
It's just like, you, you're, you're gonna live with us now.
28:30
But Sloth
28:31
Brandan: is a grown adult.
28:32
He can decide who he wants to live with.
28:34
He, and where he wants to-
28:34
Clinton: Man, there are statutes that I think, I don't, I don't know.
28:38
If we have any Esquires in the crowd, I, I'm not sure that Sloth
28:41
is, can make those decisions.
28:42
I love Sloth, but we might have gotten off the rails here, Brandan, possibly.
28:46
Brandan: Yeah, we, we can blame it on Brady Russell because,-
28:50
between the goat and him dancing, at the start of the meeting,
28:54
yeah, DJ Nichols in chat saying, "Brady Russell might just
28:57
be this generation's Luke Wilson."
28:59
Clinton: Right,
28:59
Brandan: yeah.
29:00
And, I think that's true.
29:01
Clinton: Yeah, very, very fun.
29:02
I guess the last thing for me that came through, Brandan, was-
29:05
We started calling Cooper Kupp, you know, Coach Kupp last year.
29:09
Mm-hmm.
29:09
And it's like, okay, it seems like, it seems like this is what's happening.
29:13
And oh, by the way, people say this is what's happening that are in the room.
29:16
Right.
29:17
Any impressions?
29:18
Brandan: I need to go back and watch that scene, or maybe you can break
29:20
it down fully, because that was one of the things that I- it didn't fully
29:25
hit me e- exactly what was happening between him and Coach Mike and Coop
29:30
saying something, and then like-
29:32
Clinton: Yeah,
29:32
Brandan: but he celebrated
29:33
Mike Macdonald putting his hands in the air.
29:34
I, I, I feel like that's one that I need to go back and diagnose
29:37
what happened, but maybe you saw.
29:38
Clinton: I mean, it's just, I mean, Mike says s- very simply like,
29:42
"Oh, they were under center the whole time," something like that.
29:44
Something about them just being under center.
29:46
So I think my, my brain went to that there was a concept that
29:52
they can run under center, maybe that last year or some form of it.
29:57
They were, they were like, "We, we can't do that from under center."
30:00
Like that was the, that's what I think was happening.
30:02
Like, "Oh man, they're doing it from under center."
30:04
So I m- I, I don't know.
30:05
Maybe, maybe- Yeah … Kupp was showing them something.
30:07
Also, it didn't exactly seem in that moment that Kupp actually did
30:11
anything in that particular scene.
30:13
It seemed like Mike thought about it, and then Kupp was like, you know, "You're
30:16
welcome," but I don't think he meant it.
30:18
I think that was more HBO magic in my opinion.
30:20
Mm-hmm.
30:21
Okay.
30:21
I really don't think that was something that Cooper magically unlocked.
30:24
I think HBO just wanted to make it look that way.
30:26
That was my take.
30:27
Brandan: Okay.
30:27
All right.
30:27
Well, it, it was, it was a scene where I, I felt like I was missing
30:31
something, and so, yeah.
30:34
Clinton: I think they were trying to make a little bit of a storyline that
30:37
maybe wasn't exactly, there in that moment, which is what documentaries do.
30:42
But I, but the idea of Kupp being that player coach, and whenever
30:47
this contract is up, the fact that he is from Washington, I mean, I
30:51
think he could literally just stay.
30:54
Like, okay, like you now run the wide receiver room, or you're now,
30:57
you know, assistant, OC or heck, who knows what happens, right?
31:02
So after Fleury becomes a, a head coach after we win another Super Bowl, maybe-
31:06
Brandan: Yeah, don't let him leave like he left, let KJ Wright leave.
31:09
That's-
31:09
Clinton: Exactly.
31:10
Exactly
31:10
… Brandan: Ryan911 saying, "I'm a long time fan of Cooper Kupp since last year-"
31:14
which I assume was his first year in the league."
31:17
That it's really the only time that matters.
31:19
Whistle Jacket, Lisa in chat, "Giving the googly eyes to the Minotaur."
31:24
Clinton: Yeah.
31:25
Everything about the short shorts, the, the, the Ford.
31:28
Was it a Ford?
31:28
I don't even know.
31:29
The, the, whatever the big ass truck he had, and also he was fun.
31:32
You know, he was fun.
31:33
They showed, by the way, last thing for me, they showed shadow boxing and
31:36
I still think shadow boxing's stupid.
31:38
It doesn't, like-
31:38
Brandan: I don't, I don't understand the moves.
31:40
- I
31:41
Clinton: don't get it.
31:41
Brandan: Yeah.
31:42
Clinton: It's just like, well, you gotta like-
31:43
Brandan: I need a breakdown.
31:44
Clinton: I don't.
31:44
Brandan: Explain it to me.
31:45
Clinton: Break it down.
31:45
I don't.
31:46
I don't.
31:46
I wanna ignore it and just, if they like doing it and it's
31:49
brotherly love to them, fine.
31:51
But I'm just like, well, I don't, I don't get it.
31:54
I wanna,
31:55
Brandan: I wanna get into the competition.
31:56
That's-
31:56
Clinton: I don't.
31:57
I don't.
31:58
They can have it.
31:58
That's- It's cool.
32:00
Brandan: All right.
32:01
Well, a big thanks to everybody who tuned in to us live after the show.
32:07
It, it was fun.
32:07
Maybe we'll do this maybe weekly.
32:09
We'll have to see how it goes.
32:11
Clinton: I mean, I'm available on Tuesdays.
32:12
I don't know about you, so Tuesdays are great.
32:14
Brandan: I'm gonna be watching the show anyway, and now I feel like it's, it's
32:17
gotta be appointment television for me.
32:19
Now it's- It's our Seahawks.
32:20
I know.
32:20
When do we…
32:20
When have we ever gotten a, a Seahawks show that's, on HBO, that really feels
32:26
like we have to watch it, I think to-
32:28
Clinton: today.
32:28
Yeah.
32:28
Today was
32:29
Brandan: the first time
32:29
Clinton: ever.
32:30
Brandan: It was, it was the first time ever, so.
32:31
Clinton: Right.
32:31
We got four more, so I'm in if you're in.
32:33
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32:34
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32:44
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32:45
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32:46
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32:51
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32:53
and yeah, we will be back later on talking Seahawks.
32:57
Clinton: It'll be fun.
32:58
And hey, you and Adam just put out the Know Your Rivals yesterday with the Rams.
33:02
Yes.
33:02
It's two hours.
33:04
It's a lot of fun.
33:05
It's a lot of making fun of McVay, and then you guys spin it and talk
33:08
about the 49ers in the second half.
33:10
So if y- anybody out there hasn't seen that yet, I enjoyed it all this
33:14
morning, and it was a lot of fun.
33:16
So it's just…
33:16
I love that.
33:17
It was good stuff, plus you get to make fun of McVay, and who doesn't like that?
33:21
Who doesn't?
33:21
Yeah.
33:21
It's the best.
33:22
He's the worst.
33:22
Of
33:22
Brandan: course.
33:23
well, and that's the thing.
33:24
We aren't gonna get to see the Rams until Christmas.
33:26
Right.
33:26
So this is really…
33:28
I mean, we're still gonna be following along our NFC rivals throughout
33:32
the year, but th- that's probably gonna be the last time you get as
33:36
much Rams content from us until the week leading up to Christmas Day.
33:41
Clinton: Correct, and when the Rams are two and three in their first
33:43
five, and Aaron Donald's like, "Eh, maybe I won't come back," 'cause the
33:46
team's not really that good, that'll be a delightful, delightful start.
33:50
But that's five weeks into the season.
33:51
We got about five more weeks, four more weeks of Hard
33:54
Knocks, so we'll be back, Bran.
33:56
This is fun.
33:57
Brandan: Yep.
33:58
All right.
33:58
Thanks again to everybody for tuning in, and I think with that-
34:00
Clinton: There's only one thing left to say
34:02
… Brandan: go Hawks.
34:03
Clinton: Go Hawks.