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The Rebirth Of HEAVEN With LAURIE MARLOW · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Bass player and a vocalist of Heaven, the band Heaven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fire away, mate, fantastic LOI, thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome mate, Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh pleasure. So Heaven have announced a return to the
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  Speaker 2: stage for a couple of shows this year in Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: So firstly, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah mate, thank you very much. It's been spent a
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  Speaker 1: long time coming. Yeah. I mean, we just we were
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  Speaker 1: starting to get things rolling again in twenty twelve. We
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  Speaker 1: did a tour here that was pretty successful, and then
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  Speaker 1: we were going to go ahead and do some stuff
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  Speaker 1: and like we had Sweden Rock lined up, but Alan,
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  Speaker 1: our singer, got sick and consequently died of cancer, so
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  Speaker 1: that sort of put a spinner in the works. Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: we'd have been sort of up and running around probably,
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  Speaker 1: you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: All right, before we get into the shows, let's explore
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  Speaker 2: the band a bit more. In cases people out there
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  Speaker 2: that don't quite know too much about you guys, but
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  Speaker 2: you've found it back in nineteen eighty So what was
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  Speaker 2: the meres your climate like back then that gave birth
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  Speaker 2: to Heaven and where did you fit in in those days?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Nineteen eight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happened was that I left Adelaide where
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  Speaker 1: I immigrated from London out to South Australia to Adelaide
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  Speaker 1: with my family, and you know, I've been a musician
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  Speaker 1: around Adelaide for a number of years and decided that
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, if I was going to get
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  Speaker 1: anywhere move forward with things, I had to move to
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  Speaker 1: somewhere like Melbourne or Sydney. So I picked Sydney. And
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  Speaker 1: when I got here, but I just started looking around
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  Speaker 1: for players and one guy that I lived around the
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  Speaker 1: corner from him, actually I used to go and see
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  Speaker 1: the band playing. That was a band called Swanye, which
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  Speaker 1: was Jimmy Barnes's brother, and I struck up a friendship
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  Speaker 1: with the guitar player, Kelly, and I used to take
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  Speaker 1: because I had a carr and he didn't. I used
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  Speaker 1: to take him to gigs and you know, we just
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  Speaker 1: sort of started talking about things and I said and
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  Speaker 1: he said he was that he wasn't sort of happy
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  Speaker 1: staying with what he was doing and he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: move into something different. And I said, well, mate, what's
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  Speaker 1: your interests? And he said, well, I love this band
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  Speaker 1: Van Halen. That's just hit the scene in the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, and I went right, I said, so
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  Speaker 1: do I, And I said, why don't you come and
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  Speaker 1: join me and we'll put a band together. So that
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  Speaker 1: was that was the first step in the evolution of Heaven.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he joined, we were discussing about who
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get as a singer, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'd been working in Adelaide with a singer called on Friar.
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  Speaker 1: He was in a band called Fat Lip, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually in a band before that called Heroes
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  Speaker 1: with him. I said, he's pretty good. Here he goes?
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  Speaker 1: Is that that Scott's bloke in Adelaide that always hassles
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  Speaker 1: me every time I'm in Adelaide? I said, yeah, that's him.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, So so we rang Alan and and Alan
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  Speaker 1: had always loved Kelly's playing and that, so Alan said
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  Speaker 1: all right, well I'll come up to Sydney over the
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  Speaker 1: next weekend and we'll we'll we'll have a jam. So
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  Speaker 1: we did that. We got another guy in playing drums
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  Speaker 1: for it that that we didn't end up using, but
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  Speaker 1: Alan liked what was going on with it, and we're
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  Speaker 1: just you know, doing you know, a few covers at
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  Speaker 1: that point, and he went back to Adelaide on the
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  Speaker 1: Monday and basically packed up his house and moved to Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, while he was packing up, he asked me,
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  Speaker 1: He said, well, are you going to get playing drums
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  Speaker 1: and second guitar? And I said well, I said, what
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  Speaker 1: about the boys that we used to play within Heroes?
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, yeah, Don clap Roth and Robbie
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  Speaker 1: Hannah And I said yeah, yeah, I said, you know.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, yeahh I'll call him. So he called Robbie
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  Speaker 1: Hannah and Don clap Roth and they came up and
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  Speaker 1: same thing. They just shut shop in Adelaide and came
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  Speaker 1: up to Sydney and and joined the band and we
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  Speaker 1: started doing gigs around the traps. Alan had already he'd
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  Speaker 1: finished up with a band called Fat Lip that basically
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  Speaker 1: that they'd done some shows in Sydney, and they also
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  Speaker 1: had that they had shows left to do, but the
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  Speaker 1: band sort of split, so Alan said, well, why don't
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  Speaker 1: we call it fat Lip and we can do those shows.
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  Speaker 1: So we did that. So we we we went under
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  Speaker 1: the name fat Lip at first, and we we finished
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  Speaker 1: these shows that Alan had been contracted for and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so we just started doing that. But also I
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  Speaker 1: must add that Alan had done some auditions for ac DC.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, he'd be He'd been to Albert Studios and
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  Speaker 1: with with George and Harry and they took out Bond's
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  Speaker 1: vocals and put Alan's in and he did a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good job, I might say, But Malcolm and Angus already
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  Speaker 1: had their sights on Brian Johnson and Brian got the gig.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously Alan didn't, but it was close there. But from
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  Speaker 1: what I can tell, yeh. So so he just come
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  Speaker 1: through all that and a bit disappointed that he hadn't
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  Speaker 1: got that. So he had a fire in his belly
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  Speaker 1: to get fat Lip up and running, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: at that stage the agency was it was a smaller agency.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was called Sphere. I can't remember exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but at that same point we'd only been going a
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  Speaker 1: couple of months, a few months, and we got contacted
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  Speaker 1: by a CD's old manager, Michael Browning. Now Michael had
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  Speaker 1: been after after him and a CDC did a split.
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  Speaker 1: He was looking for another rock band, and Lobby Lloyd
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  Speaker 1: from Lobby Lloyd in the Colored Balls was actually doing
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  Speaker 1: agency work for Harbor Agency in Sydney, and Michael said,
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  Speaker 1: do you know of any good solid rock bands out there?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, yeah, he said, saw this band the
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  Speaker 1: other week bank called Fat Lip. You know great, mate,
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  Speaker 1: they're great, And he told Michael about how he knew
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  Speaker 1: Alan had gone for the job with a CDC. So
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  Speaker 1: Michael came out and saw us out of the back
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  Speaker 1: of Blacktown somewhere I can't remember exactly, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were sort of waiting for this bloke to walk in,
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  Speaker 1: this millionaire bloke and a suit and tie and and
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  Speaker 1: all that, and it's just bloke walks in T shirts,
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  Speaker 1: stubbies and thongs and and yeah, yeah, we were sort
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  Speaker 1: of shocked. But yeah, we got talking to him and
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  Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to sign the band up, so
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  Speaker 1: we we ended up signing with Michael, but he didn't
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  Speaker 1: like the name fat Lip. He thought that the name
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  Speaker 1: wasn't good enough to sort of get it on the
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  Speaker 1: international market. So you know, over the coming weeks there
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  Speaker 1: was you know, names were getting bandied around and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know who it was exactly, but somebody
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  Speaker 1: come up with Heaven Sent and I think that it
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  Speaker 1: might have been Michael's wife, Julie, that might have come
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  Speaker 1: up with that, and it got cut down to Heaven
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  Speaker 1: and we all liked it. We were right, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll go with that, and that's how the name sort
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  Speaker 1: of came about. Yeah, and Michael because of the ac
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  Speaker 1: DC contact. I me, Michael had a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: in the industry that he knew got to signed up
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  Speaker 1: to URCA Records here in Australia and what was called
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  Speaker 1: CBS then back then, which is now Sony. I think
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  Speaker 1: Sony took it over in America and most territories of
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  Speaker 1: the world were under CBS Records. We put out the
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  Speaker 1: first album did all right. It was it was a
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  Speaker 1: low budget album. I mean, you know, I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money to play with, but it came
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  Speaker 1: out okay, and it was enough to get us sort
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  Speaker 1: of notice a bit overseas, and then Michael started working
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  Speaker 1: on I mean we were we were during Australia. It
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  Speaker 1: was crazy. Yeah, basically I think one year we did
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and something not gigs in a year. We
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  Speaker 1: were doing there were doubles and triples. Every weekend, like
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  Speaker 1: a Friday and the Saturday night we're doing triple, triple, gigs.
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  Speaker 1: So we'd start over at north Shore the Royal Antler
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  Speaker 1: at Aravine and that would be the early spot, and
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  Speaker 1: then our road crew would take the gear down the
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  Speaker 1: raid about twenty minutes to to monav Oile Hotel where
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  Speaker 1: we do a middle spot there. And then whilst that
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  Speaker 1: was going on, there was a second lot of gear
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  Speaker 1: would be going to Savania Pub, which is the other
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  Speaker 1: side of town, and basically we'd finished the middle spot
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  Speaker 1: and we'd shoot over to Sylvania to do a late
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  Speaker 1: spot there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you would have been, oh yeah, yeah, so but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we were in our twenties, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like physically pretty fit and all that.
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  Speaker 1: For us, it was just great fun and then you
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  Speaker 1: know we'd leave, we'd leave the gig, you know, finish
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  Speaker 1: the gig at two o'clock in the morning, probably drive
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  Speaker 1: to Melbourne or something like that, to Brisbane or something
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  Speaker 1: to do get ready for the week shows up there.
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  Speaker 1: So it was there, it was it was pretty full Longe.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds, yeah, and like you pretty much you struck
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  Speaker 2: a wing formula like with a nice blend of pub
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  Speaker 2: rock with some metal undertones. But was that sound by
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  Speaker 2: design or was it something you just sort of stumbled across.
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  Speaker 1: No, that that that was. It just came about. There
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  Speaker 1: was there was there was no formula for what we did.
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  Speaker 1: It was we just got into rehears and when we
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  Speaker 1: realized that to get ahead we had to write songs,
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  Speaker 1: and none of us had written before except for Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: Actually Kelly did a little bit of writing with Swanny.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just what came out. It had
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  Speaker 1: a sort of a certain sort of magic to it.
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  Speaker 1: But probably Kelly, Kelly was like a Van Halen head.
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  Speaker 1: But I always saw them more into probably Judas Priest
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Sabbath maybe a bit at that time,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we're all into a c DC. So uh,
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  Speaker 1: it just that's just the formula that came out.
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  Speaker 2: Really. All right, You've mentioned being signed to a US label,
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  Speaker 2: So after you released your debut here, you went over
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  Speaker 2: to the US and you tried with people like Judas Priest,
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  Speaker 2: Motley who Black Sabbath. It's like, what was that period
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  Speaker 2: like for the band? It would have been would have
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  Speaker 2: been great times.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well what happened there was after CBS
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  Speaker 1: signed us, and we obviously with a large company like that,
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  Speaker 1: and they want you to tour the album and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: so they give you tour support money to go and
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  Speaker 1: don't go and tour somewhere. Originally we were going to
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  Speaker 1: go to England and Europe and tour with Saxon.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but.
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  Speaker 1: What happened there that Saxon were charging their bands ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand pound what they call buy on, So you pay
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  Speaker 1: them ten thousand pound and they'd let you in two.
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  Speaker 2: That's a shipload.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, especially back then, you know, that's probably like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, thirty or forty thousand these days. So Michael
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  Speaker 1: and his wisdom and we'd already supported quite a lot
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  Speaker 1: of international acts here in Australia. We'd already did Australia
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  Speaker 1: with Motorhead, we did Ian Gillen's own Van Gillen and
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two we actually did the Number of
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  Speaker 1: the Beast Australian to Iron Maiden. And what happened was
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  Speaker 1: that Michael and his wisdom sort of said, no, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to blow all our money on given it
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  Speaker 1: to Saxa for that tour. So he went shopping around
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  Speaker 1: and he was able to get us judas Priest in America.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So we'd been through CBS records. We'd been signed to
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  Speaker 1: a sort of sister company called Brighton Records, and the
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  Speaker 1: guy called what was his name, Michael Klefner, who was
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  Speaker 1: instrumental in getting a CDC into America and he loved
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  Speaker 1: the band and he he helped get us into onto
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  Speaker 1: the Judas Priests and also with a c I the agency,
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  Speaker 1: the big New York agency, and we had Bill Elson
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  Speaker 1: who was I think I think he might have been
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  Speaker 1: kiss his agent, and I think he was actually was
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  Speaker 1: Judis prest agent as well. It was this big time
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  Speaker 1: agent back in the day. So we in eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: we I think it was October November, we finished the
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  Speaker 1: number of the Beast Tour which that went down a
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  Speaker 1: store and we had a ball with the Maiden Boys,
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  Speaker 1: so the Great Lads, and we got treated really well
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  Speaker 1: and we were received very very well with the Australian audiences,
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  Speaker 1: which was great. And yeah, we chroofed off to la
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  Speaker 1: and we had a couple of weeks in La. Alan
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  Speaker 1: arrived there about a week before us to do some
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  Speaker 1: interviews and stuff like that before we got there, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks it might have been. And yeah, then
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  Speaker 1: we embarked on the Screaming for Vengeance tour. It started
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  Speaker 1: off in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and I can't remember exactly
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  Speaker 1: how long it went for. I think it was a
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  Speaker 1: few months. And there was a lot of mayhem on
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  Speaker 1: that tour.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, it was your best told story from that one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh mate, A lot of stories I can't tell you.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a ball mate and like we were
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  Speaker 1: doing like ten and fifteen thousand seedars, yeah, right up
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  Speaker 1: to twenty thousand and yeah. Once again, the Priest Boys
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  Speaker 1: were fantastic that we got treated really well. We started
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: we started to get the ball rolling really well there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people really liked the band. Of course, being Australian,
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  Speaker 1: it was you know, it was one of those things
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  Speaker 1: that it was a new sort of new thing because
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I mean a did this, he had gone through and
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  Speaker 1: and you know they've been a big hit there and
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  Speaker 1: Roast Tattoo were actually going through at that time too,
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  Speaker 1: through there and they were doing really well. So it
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  Speaker 1: was the Australian flavor it was. It was really good.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as you started talking, people wanted to yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the accent and that. So yeah, so we did the
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  Speaker 1: Screaming for Vengeance tour and yeah, it was fantastic and
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  Speaker 1: then we got back to l A and we went
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: into pre production and writing for the second album, or
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Angels Fear To Tread m.
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  Speaker 2: That Want To ended up having Ronnie James do O
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  Speaker 2: Leader Ford and Glenn Hughes guest on that back then.
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  Speaker 2: These days it's common for that to happen. But back then,
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  Speaker 2: guess spots an a big thing. So you obviously had
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  Speaker 2: a bit of respect.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah we did. We Yeah, we commanded a fair
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  Speaker 1: bit of respect lot for what we were doing. But
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  Speaker 1: also that was Alan, our singer, because our was he
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was like the how can I put it? Put it nicely?
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  Speaker 1: He was like the class clown, right. He was a
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  Speaker 1: funny guy and everyone loved him and he used to
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  Speaker 1: strike up friendships with just about everyone, and he used
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  Speaker 1: to play tricks on people all the time. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was just a good bloke to you know, to
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  Speaker 1: be around a lot of the time. And so he'd
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: go out drinking and he liked to drink, did big
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  Speaker 1: al And he used to go down to the Rainbow
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  Speaker 1: Room like after recording. So we do it, We do
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  Speaker 1: a full day of recording and then we don't knack
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  Speaker 1: and we go somewhere and just have a drink. Alan
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  Speaker 1: would go down the Rainbow Room where all the rock
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  Speaker 1: star people used to hang out, and he'd be drinking
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  Speaker 1: with him and say, come back to the studio, come
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  Speaker 1: back with me. We'll put something down, and they go,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: come on, hell no, we're just drinking. No, no, come back,
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  Speaker 1: come back. Put something on the album for us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they would, they would, Yeah, so so Ronnie do.
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  Speaker 1: He put down some backing vocals in Rangel's Fear of Tread.
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  Speaker 1: He he's under the name Evil Eyes on the album.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at the album cover, it just says
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  Speaker 1: evil Eyes. He didn't want it down as Ronnie Dio.
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  Speaker 1: He just said evil Eyes. But you can tell, you
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  Speaker 1: can tell straight off it's Ronnie that voice, you know. Lea.
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  Speaker 1: She did some backing vocals on a song called Madness.
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  Speaker 1: That's there's a bit of a breakdown in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the song, and there's like a nurse talking to
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  Speaker 1: a psycho patient and and and she's she's talked to
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  Speaker 1: him and and he's answering. She did that. Glenn Hughes,
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  Speaker 1: he sang on a song called Stormer Heart and you
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  Speaker 1: can't miss his voice, mate. I mean, the guy is
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  Speaker 1: just a freak and you know, thanks Glenn, because I've
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  Speaker 1: got to do those parts now reasonably high voice, but god,
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  Speaker 1: that guy's voice, it's just incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and that's sort of how things came about.
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  Speaker 1: There was also Alan got drunk with a guy that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: was the sax player for Rod Stewart's band, a guy
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  Speaker 1: caromed Jimmy Zavala, and so of course what happened. We've
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: got this song rock School, which which was sort of
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to do with writing that song
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  Speaker 1: that It was Kellyen Allen sort of getting like a
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  Speaker 1: back then you had to have a song the appeal
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  Speaker 1: to radio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was the sort of song and Michael
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  Speaker 1: Brown used to push for us to try and write
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  Speaker 1: a radio song. So that was the idea of rock School.
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  Speaker 1: So he got Jimmy along and just threw some sacks down.
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  Speaker 1: Although Jimmy's name got spelled wrongly on the album. It
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was his name is Savala, but they put it down
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  Speaker 1: in Zazzla.
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  Speaker 2: Or something hard to spell. It sounds pretty hard to spell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So that's how all those people came about.
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  Speaker 1: Chris and we're just al and going out and get
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  Speaker 1: pissed with them.
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  Speaker 2: So they may or may not have been slightly pissed
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  Speaker 2: when they recorded their parts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, Yeah, quite possibly, mate.
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  Speaker 2: Moving on, if I've done my research right here, Like
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: after Knocking on Heaven's Door came out in ninety eighty five,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the band went through a period of inactivity. You got
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a few reunions, but they never really got off the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: ground before You're officially reformed around twenty twenty two. So
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: what had changed to make you decide to have a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: proper red hot break again?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, So once we'd finished after doing that We're Angels
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Feit the Tread album, we went out on tour with
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Motley Cruell. Right, I'll give you a bit of the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: story leading up to eighty five. So we went out
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: with Motley crue Shouted the Devil Tour and we spent
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: six or eight weeks with Motley crue And of course,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know, they they thought they were big drinkers and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: party animals at the time, and they learned a lesson
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: when they come out with us. And yeah, we had
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: lots of fun on the tour. And the beginning of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the tour, it started in Denver and we were snowed in.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: There were blizzards and we were snowed in for I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: know about a week, I guess something like that. We
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: couldn't really go anywhere there. We could go across the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: road to a bark called Donnie's Bar and drink there
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: for a couple a few nights, and then snowplows came
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in and we were able to get over to Motley
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Cruz Hotel and hung out with them and created mayhem
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in the hotel and all the guests were arking up
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and complained a lot of older people complaining about, you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: our antics and stuff like that. And then after that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we went on to do the Kids tour and we
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: we spent it was Animalyzed tour. I think from memory
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: they had licked up that song licked up on it,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I think, and that was that was excellent. Gene and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Paul really liked the band, and Gene actually at one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: point it was interested in managing us. Oh wow, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: because he had his company man of a thousand faces,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and he actually sent us letters and we had phone calls,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but we were there was a tight contract with Michael
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: at that point with management and recording and all that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So yeah, so we did that and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that was all over the Midwest of America. Then after
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that we came back to Australia. We did one tour
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. We did all the TV shows
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Countdown and Sounds and everything else that was going on. Oh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: what was that Donnie Sutherland show.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Called he Can't be too memorable If you can't remember.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: It, Donny Sutherland Sounds. That's right. We did all those
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: sorts of shows we did. We did a full tour
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of Australia and we came back to Sydney and there
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was a bit of unrest between Alan and the rest
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of the band and basically we split up. We were
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: looking for a new singer. Alan went back to America
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: because he was going to get married. He went back
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there and the we were finding it hard to replace
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Allan with anyone, and he sort of went over there
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and he talked to another management company about Heaven, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: he didn't tell them that it wasn't the same members. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and then he threw together a band with with some
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: name players from New York and from Los Angeles and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: they signed themselves. They got signed up as Heaven. Meanwhile,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we're back in Australia, we're trying to put something together,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but Michael Browning sold the name to It was either
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Allen or the management company because Michael actually he'd owned
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the name at that point, and so that was the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: end of the Australian version of Heaven. For a hour,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the American band did an album that only did one album,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: did a bit of touring, but within I think eighteen months,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it was dead. Nobody really the American version of it
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: didn't really take off. So from about eighty six to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: ninety two there was nothing happening, not with anyone. Allan
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was just doing some local gigs around where he lived
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in Dallas Fort Worth, using local players and if you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: have a look on Wikipedia, there's a conger line of
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: all these guys that did one gig with him or
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: two gigs with him, and they're also with Heaven, you know.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, So he did that till nineteen ninety two,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: when I can't remember, he came back here for a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: holiday and he contacted I think it was myself and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: said he wanted to do a couple of gigs with us.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So we got the dates of when he was going
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to be in Sydney because he went to Adelaide to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: see the family, and then he came up to Sydney
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and we got a show the Collector Tavern in Paramatter
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's there anymore, and the Bridge Hotel
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in Balmain. We did two shows and packed house both nights.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So Alan went back to America and we kept in
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: contact and stuff, and about nineteen ninety six he came
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: back out again and we did another couple of shows,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and we just did this every few years, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: just it's a bit of fun. And then it was
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. I was talking to a guy
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that had like a management company and he also worked
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: for for an international promoter, and he said, did you
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: hear Judas Priests are coming out? And I said no,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: didn't know. He goes, yeah, he said they're coming out as.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: The tour is going to be called Demolition to it
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: because there are album is called the Demolition And I wait, right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I said, who's doing the support? He goes, well, no
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: one yet, and I think it was Kevin Jacobs that
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he was working for. And I said, mate, any chance
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that we could get on that tour and he goes,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can. He said, your toured with them
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in the Saints and you know, I said absolutely we did.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So he got onto Priest's management and I got onto
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Alan and I said, look, we've got a chance of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: doing the Demolition tour with Priest. Do you want to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: do it? And he goes absolutely. So it all got
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: lined up and yeah, we did the tour and Alan
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: came out and we rehearsed the band up and that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: period two we also wrote some new songs and we
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: went on tour with Presently. It was yeah, it was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like old times, you know, we had a ball with
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: all great guys and yeah. So that was for about
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: three weeks. They were here in Australia and they did Adelaide, Melbourne,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Sydney and Brisbane and yeah, at the end of that tour,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: we basically went into the studio and we just threw
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: down a demo of these new songs that we'd written.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And it was Alan had contacted somebody he knew in Dallas,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a record company called Pulse Records, so the demo was
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: paid for by them. We did the demo, but they
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: just said on the album they never released it. Yeah, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: So I mean to this day, if they're still around,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: they still got it. And then nothing happened till two
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. We kept I kept in contact with
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: all over the years and stuff, but you know, it
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was we all had other things that we were doing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Twenty twelve, Alim was coming over for another holiday. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: sees family, He said, right, he said, line up a tour.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He said, I'll come out and bring the family out
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and they can see the Friar family in Adelaide and that,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and we'll do some shows. So I contacted our agent, Harbor,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and they got on the case and they put together
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a run of shows right through Australia and Alan arrived
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: here and at that point too, Kelly wasn't involved with it,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: but we had Rowan Robertson from DIO. Yeah, he came
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: out because originally it was supposed to be Mitch Perry
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: from the American lineup of Heaven. I was going to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: do it because Alan and Mitch were very close. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Alan said to me, he said, well, he said, if
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: we do this too, I want Mitch to do it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, no worries, all good, you know that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: if you know, it's fine whatever you want to do.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And Kelly sort of lost the interest in the Heaven thing.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: At that point. So we got John Hayes in second guitar,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and we just we got Rowan Robertson him because Mitch
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: said yes to it. But all of a sudden, Leader
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: fought who he was, her permanent guitar player, right rang
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: him and said, well, no, you can't go to Australia.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I've got a tour here. So he rang al and
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he rang me and basically said, look, I can't do it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Leader's going out on the road, he said, but I've
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: got a friend who would love to do it. His
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: name is Rowan Robertson. He was the guitar player on
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Lock Up the Wolves album of Ronnie James Dow And
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we were, oh, fuck you, yeah, we've heard he's playing. Thought, yeah, awesome.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You know, so Rowan flew out. We flew him out.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We had something like four weeks rehearsals, did a couple
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of quiet shows on the side, just to you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: out in the country, just to yeah, just just to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: iron all the bugs out, and then we started to
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Australia has packed houses every night except for one night Geelong.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Geelong was a bit of a fizzle because there's a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: massive storm came in and I've never seen rain like it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The rain was just going sideways, heavy winds and stuff,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and so that that that night was was not the greatest,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: but it was all right because it was you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it was just sort of we use it as sort
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: of like a paid rehearsal. Yeah, so we did. We
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: did Geelong, we did Adelaide, we did Geelong, we did Melbourne,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Sydney and a few shows in Brisbane and it went
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: really well and it was great having rowing Roans a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: lovely blake. He he's he's a real sweethearts from Cambridge
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: in UK.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Mate.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with what he does, look him up, mate.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Sensational player. Absolutely. I really took him on when he
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: was like seventeen.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, what an apprenticeship?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So, and he's worked with
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of people over the years, you know, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: throughout the States and stuff like that. He lives over
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: there now in the States, and he does a lot
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of work with you know, the singer of Rough Cup,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Paul Shaw, Tino and and Mitch Perry and doug Aldrich
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: from White Snake and all those sorts of guys. He's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: he's in well with them and they've got a lot
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of residency one of those casinos that they do, so yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: so look him up, mate, he says. And then twenty
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: twelve went by and Alan was discussing about doing more
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: stuff and we said yeah, and you know, like what
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: what what did you have in mind? Alan? He said, well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I'd like to do Sweden Rock. So he said, yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: well that'd be great. So anyway, time went past, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it was about I think it might have been about
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: twenty late twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen he got diagnosed
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: with cancer and it was cancer in his spine from memory,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: but he rang me and he goes, look, he said,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I'll be right. He said, you know, like Sweden Rock
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: has sent me through notification that they want us on
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and I've got contracts here. I've just got to sign them.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And he said, I just want to make sure that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: my doctor says I'm okay to travel. Blah blah blah
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: blah blah. Anyway, he just went downhill very quickly, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: then twenty fifteen, June twenty fifteen. I think we were
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: supposed to be in Sweden You're Rock twenty fifteen, but
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: he couldn't travel. He was so sick and then he
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: passed away June twenty fifteen. Yeah, and then the band
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: sad Idol for the next four and a half years.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: We were also waiting on our drama Joe, but Joe
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: kept on putting up barriers and all sorts of things.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: We were like, every time we wanted to do something,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, and you know, it was just like, well,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you're either do it or you're not into it. So
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we end up having to replace him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And it's not a bad replacement. Mick O Jane's not
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a bad replacement.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right, yeah, absolutely so yeah. So so
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we got Mick in and we just started getting the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: ball rolling and everything was sounding great. And I got
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: because John Hayes, one of the early guitar players, was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: in the band as well, and I got in a
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, Steve Down. We called him Stab because
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: we worked together for years and there were two bet
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Steve's in the other band that we're in, So one
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was Steven, one was Stab because stav Ross is Greek
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for Steve. So Stevie Down joined the band and we
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: got a friend of mine in to replace Alan. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: must say that I talked to the Friar family first,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: before we went ahead with this, I wanted them have
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: their blessing, you know, you know, before I went ahead
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and did it, and they loved the idea. And Alan
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: had said to me before her He actually said to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: me lots. You know, if anything happens and I don't
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: pull through, I want you to keep it going.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That's super hell.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's what I'm doing. And so yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: we replaced out with a guy called Pete Millwood. Now
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Pete hasn't done a lot of band work, but he's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: done a lot of session work, and there's a lot
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of stuff you would hear on radio that's him. You
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even know it. Sensational voice. He can sound like
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Halford Rob Halford. But then again he can sound like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: David Coverdall, or he can sound like John Farnham, or
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: he could sound like Angry Anderson, the Guy, the Guy,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the Guy. It's just he can mold his voice, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that's what they used to use him through Sony Records
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and doing doing session work and also for commercials and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: stuff because he can emulate anything. So and he'd been
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: made of mind for many years and he's a great
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: blake so I got him involved. But then as soon
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: as we basically we'd had like a month's rehearsal, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: then bloody COVID hit, didn't it. I haven't killed everything.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That absolutely killed everything. We couldn't We couldn't go out
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to rehearse, we couldn't do gigs. Luckily, the boys were
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: all sort of you know, strong members, and they all
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: held in there. And it wasn't until like twenty twenty
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: two when I think that's I think that's when sort
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of COVID was sort of passed and where we could
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: get on with our lives. We could start rehearsing and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: doing a few shows. But I guess it's the same
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: all over the world. But there was a flick, a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: switch that had been flicked in the music industry, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: everything had changed. People were more interested in seeing cover
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: bands than they were original bands. There were pubs and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: clubs that instead of paying you to playing bands to play, right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: paying bands to play, you had to pay them to
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: use the room. And it was just like what what
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on here? You know? But anyway,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: so these days it's a lot harder to get shows
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: unless you're a cover band. I mean, and good luck
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to the cover bands. I'm not knocking them that they're
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: out there doing it and making money and that's I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. But for us original bands, yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the industry had just been killed by COVID. So these days,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: when you do a show, and this it's out in
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the country, most of the city shows, you actually have
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: to hire the room, then hire the production people, the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: sound guy, lighting, go whatever you need, and then you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: have to pay the venue a portion of the door money.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Are they're taking no risk at all? Sorry, they're taking
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: no risk at all?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Basically, No, no, no, they're not. They're making money off you. Yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And it's also in some cases they actually ask you
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: for ten percent of your merch money.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard that that's criminal. That should not be allowed.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: No, it shouldn't be. But this is what they're doing.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: They're saying, well, if you're going to sell T shirts
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and stuff on our premises, we want ten percent of it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: You know, and you might have put out ten grand
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: on T shirts and stuff yourself, your bands pay for it,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: right and you expect to get that money back, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: these people want ten percent of it. It's like, no,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that can't happen. But that's the way it is these days,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and you know, unfortunately for us, we just have to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: have to roll with it. So it becomes extremely hard
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: because to put on a show.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It's actually cost you, like for us.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: To walk into a show, it generally costs us twelve
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks fifteen hundred bucks straight up out of our
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: pocket to put the show on, and then we sell tickets.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: We have to sell tickets to make that money back.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but that don't give us ten percent of
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the bar taking.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: To that dreads these days made because it's licensing to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: your next show. Actually, you've got a show coming up
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Rocker Room in Sydney on November seventh with Department of Gloom,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: No Ball and Stone Rising.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: That's correct, Yeah, yeah, looking forward to that. Yeah, it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: going to be great. Stone Rising and have worked with
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: us many times. The great little band, the full on
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: hard rock chick singer and she's got she's got fucking attitude.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, great close friends of mine, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: she she really she really gives it her all when
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: she gets out and sings Department of Gloom Lino Lino
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: d has been a friend of mine, probably close to
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: forty years I'd say, from when he was in Candy Harlot's. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: back in those days. And uh no, bo, Well, this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is a young guy that's coming up through the ranks.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: He's I think it was his name, James van Hest.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I've heard good reports about him. Hard working boy. I'm
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: really looking forward to checking out this set that night.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe it's going to be a great show. Yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like you said, November seventh, the Bootleggers in Newtown, Sydney.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Nice and you got another one to Bridge Hotel on Friday,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: December thirtih with a salute we do.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I don't have the name of the support band for
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that yet. We're still sort of sussing out who we're
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: going to use for it. But that's that's going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: be a bit of a special show because we've been
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: asked to do a a salute to Black Sabbath. So
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: because the fact we toured with Black Sabbath on the
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: board again tour in America, there's a bit of a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: connection there and when we were approached about it, we
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: sort of thought, well, look, we're not a cover band,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but to honor some people that been a big part
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: of metal the real godfathers of metal and h and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: because the fact we toured with him for I think
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it was three months, we decided, yeah, we will do
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a set like a sixth song salute to Black Sabbath awesome.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: So so it's just something that we feel that we'd
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: like to do. So it's only going to be for
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: one night. Yeah, if it goes well, we might do
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: it another another night, So the December the seventh, that's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the December thirteenth at the Bridge, and that'll have the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the Sabbath set in there as well.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Very nice. Now I've running out of time because I've
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: got another inny of you Shorly, But I've got to
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: ask is is this just the live libry unions for
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the band or your plan on writing and recording as well?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know we've got songs ready. We're going to
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: be recording next year.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Very nice.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's going to be.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: The same sort of stuff, probably going to bring it
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: back a bit modern.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: The stuff that we're writing. The way I see it,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: it's going to be probably a little heavier than what
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: we used to be. Nice because i mean, like you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: being an eighties band they called us Metal Book. We're
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: nowhere near as heavy as the modern day bands metal
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: bands that you know. We're back in sort of like
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the the the old British metal type what do they
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: call it, Yeah, you era of heavy metal or something
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: like that back in the day, So we're we're more
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: like that. So we don't there's no scream over us
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: or any hardcore or anything like that, but it will
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: be tougher. Y.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I think there'll be more live shows coming up. I'm assumming.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. We've got a tour in Japan around the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: end of April beginning of May.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Yep uh.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: We've got some dates in Melbourne, tentative dates for March. Queensland,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: we've got some of them around Arch April, and as
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: far as I know, that's that. So we've got so
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: far up to sort of June. Of course there'll be
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Sydney dates in that as well, which I mean they
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: usually books about three months out, so we're having a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: little highatus over from from December the thirteenth. We're going
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to have a couple of months off just to solidify
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the new songs, get them ready for recording, and then
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: we'll just go out. We'll go out and hit the pubs,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and clubs and have a bit of a tour in Japan.