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NFL Draft from a CFB Perspective · The Extra Point

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What's up y'all? You're listening to the Extra
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Point College Football Podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carr and
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joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
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On today's episode we're talking NFL draft, the one crossover
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event between the NFL and college football.
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We will do a live mock draft alternating picks.
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We will mention any players that didn't get picked for days two
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and three. We will talk about who are some
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late bloomers versus who heeked in college football.
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We'll talk that at the end as well.
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Daniel, how you doing? You're ready to dive out?
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No, this is this is your wheelhouse.
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This is probably one of your favorite episodes that we we get
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to do. Yeah, I love I love this one.
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Like you said, it's the crossover between college
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football and the NFL. It's kind of fun because you get
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to, you know, obviously see all the NFL draft coverage, but one
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of the best parts of the coverage is that they're showing
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highlights of college football. So it's great, you know, love
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affair between the two. And it's it's really where I
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first understood that like what you may think about a player
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from college may not be what these NFL guys are thinking.
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And so it's it's always been fascinating.
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So excited to do our annual mock draft.
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I have a question, Daniel. What What channel?
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When we when the draft comes on Thursday night, what channel are
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you going to have the TV on while you're watching the draft?
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This is very tough. I will tell you the coverage I
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like the most is NFL Network. Daniel Jeremiah is the best in
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the business, bar none. I think Rich Eisen is going to
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be the guy throwing it around again.
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One of the greats, one of the classics.
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Would love to just listen to them the whole time.
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I don't know if they own the rights to the chime.
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The chime is important to me of the NFL draft chimes for the
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selection. For some reason.
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I think that last year when I was listening to it, they did
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not do the chime. Meanwhile ESPN does the chime.
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So I I will watch usually ESPN they have 3 broadcasts of or not
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yet they're 30 total broadcast. Get NFL Network, you got regular
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ESPN with Mel Kiper and then you got the Channel 2 like the ABC
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one, which is like the college game day crew.
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If I'm forced to listen to the ESPN one, I'll listen to the
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college game day crew because they're going to talk more about
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the college player, which I appreciate.
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I don't have to listen to Mel Kiper crash out, but once it
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gets to like late, late in the draft, it doesn't matter because
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they're going to put everybody on the same stage.
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Daniel Jeremiah is the best one to listen to though my personal.
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Opinion. I agree.
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OK, I don't. Is Rich Eisen going to be on
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ESPN now since his show is like or is he saw on NFL Network?
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NFL Network was purchased by ESPN, so there's a lot.
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Of that's right. That's right.
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But I don't know. Maybe they'll have the chime
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this. Year over last, That's what I'm
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hoping. Last year they did not have the
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official rights yet. If they are officially on, if
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they've got the chime that's I'm going to be wall to walls
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watching the NFL Network the whole time, that's easy because
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Rich Eisen is my favorite as far as that goes and Daniel Jeremiah
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is my favorite actual analyst, so.
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Same. You and I are on the same page.
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Yeah. NFL Network, I had to ask you
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that. This was an important question.
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For me, this isn't ESPN hate. You know, there's times where I
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do hate ESPN, but it's more just like I just prefer the best
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coverage. And then yeah, like the whole
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Shadur crash out that Mel Mel had last year was kind of off
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putting to a lot of people so. Well, unfortunately it's not his
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only bad take. So you know, I'm very whatever,
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like I'll take Desmond Howard over milk hyper.
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You know what I mean? Like that's that's saying
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something for what it's worth by saying that's saying something
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hand up. Like it stinks when you're like
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this is the only I'm not going to crap on milk hyper anyway.
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I'm sure he's a nice guy, but will not be choosing him for my
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viewing interview. I miss Todd Mcshay.
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For what it's worth. The ESPN coverage was better
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with Todd Mcshay. He's no.
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Longer there, so you. Like the new guys, Jordan Reed.
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And what's the other guy, draft expert Miller, whatever his name
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is, and Miller, Matt Miller. I like Matt Miller and I like
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Jordan Reed, but they're not going to get any play until like
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day three, maybe a little bit of day 2.
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You're going to get Lewis Riddick.
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You're going to get Mel Kiper. I do like.
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Gates I like Lewis. Riddick I like Phil Gates.
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I wish Phil Gates would get his haircut back again.
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That would be great. And then, yeah.
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Talking talking haircuts here on the.
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Yeah, it's important, you know you're in the uniforms.
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I'm into the haircut when he I'm working on.
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It is important. He, you know, at that point I
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was like, all right, I'm going to take a step back and listen
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to you a little bit so. It's hilarious.
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All right, Daniel, we've got we've got I've got our, our, our
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mock draft here pulled up. I'll give you your pick.
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Would you like? I know what you're going to say.
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I think you want odd or even numbers.
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You think I'm going to say that one?
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Odd. So don't have to pick for the
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Saints. What's funny is I thought you
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were going to say Even so that you could pick for the Saints,
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make a bad pick. That's actually what I want to
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do. You do know me, Jacob.
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No, I just want to ensure that the Saints don't draft a Georgia
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player so that I can, you know, live with myself.
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Yeah. I'll take the evens.
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If that's if I'm if I've got the option, I'll take the evens.
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You will always get the option for our NFL draft episode.
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This is I'm like this, this is your baby.
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So yes, all right, so first pick, look, we're not going to
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go hot take. Let me set this up a little bit.
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This is some college experts take on the NFL draft of we we
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got to watch these players for the last three to eight years in
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college. And so therefore we are going to
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you know, this is what we would do based on the team needs.
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So, for example, we might think more highly of a linebacker.
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You know, that might be, according to draft experts, 6th
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on the board. But we're like, hey, don't
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overthink this. They played linebacker for
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Alabama. We might have them second on the
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board. Exactly.
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So that that's kind of the we're we're we're not trying to do hot
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take. Like I mean, for example, I'm
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I'm taking Mendoza number one overall, like because we're also
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going to try to be accurate here of like that that's going to
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happen. So I'm not going to have some
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hot take of well, here's this should do.
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They're taking Mendoza. That's we're going to start
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there. But these are two college
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experts take on the NFL draft. So like, if we know The Jets are
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targeting, you know, a wide receiver, then we might go and
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say, OK, well, who do we think is the best wide receiver?
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So this shouldn't be too different, but has tended to
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have happened while we do. This is like, for example, we
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were never taking Jack Wilson number two overall.
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We thought that was insane. Like.
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Exactly. Or like turn on the tape and
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look for The Jets, you know? Because of it, they did it and
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look where they are. Come on.
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I mean, this is the whole Mitch Trubisky over to Shawn Watson
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pre legal issues. Yeah, which what you know, it's
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like, hey, watch the shot would look what he did anyway.
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Sometimes we we talk about this countless times.
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Sometimes NFLGMS overthink the room to try to look like they
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know what they're doing and look fancy and like 9 times out of 10
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it bites him in the butt. So we're not going to overthink
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the room on this percent. OK, number one overall Raiders,
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they're drafting a quarterback even though they've got all who
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did his trade for. Kirk O'chain.
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Kirk. OK, I was.
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I was like, wait, was it Kirk? I was like, wasn't he just
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there? Just no.
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That was Kirk. Yeah.
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I was mixing him and what's his face up?
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Christian White quarterbacks, dude.
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Who was who was the quarterback man?
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Derek Carr. Oh.
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I was like, no, I was like Kirk. I was like, Kirk already played
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for the Raiders, and that was Derek Carr.
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Yeah, Kirk O'chain's. Anyway, they're drafting
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Mendoza. It's not Waste time.
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Mendoza to the Raiders. Daniel, you got the.
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Jets, I think that's a excellent pick.
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I'm gonna actually have The Jets for both of their picks.
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There's several. I think there's four teams that
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have two picks in the first round.
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Must be nice. Jets are one of those.
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Yeah, well, and I don't know what's going to happen with
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James Pierce legal situation for the Falcons.
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I'm wearing my Falcon shirt. If he does end up being able to
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stay on the team and just get suspended, then I think the
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Falcons still made a good trade. He's a terrible person,
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apparently. But the, you know, they got
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James Pierce, who did great, you know, had, you know, 10 1/2
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sacks last year, and Xavier Watts.
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LA ends up picking for Atlanta in this draft anyways.
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Nonetheless, let's jump in. Jets at 2.
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Top needs obviously always quarterback, but Fernando's
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gone. So you don't reach for a guy
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here, maybe wide receiver, edge rusher.
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All the chatter has been to kind of like get them to shade away
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from David Bailey at Texas Tech. I think that's a smokescreen.
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I think they're going to take David Bailey.
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I think they're open to a trade back to get more picks because
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they need have a lot of needs. But if they stick, which we're
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not doing trades here, I think they take David Bailey edge,
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Texas Tech, David. Bailey Edge, Texas Tech OK,
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there we go. Edge All right, I got the
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Cardinals again. I think this is simple and I'll
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also share, Daniel, my draft strategy a little bit of, you
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know, my take on the draft, too. I'm also position.
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I'm not taking a running back in the top five.
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I don't care how good you think Jeremiah Love is, it's not
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happening. I watched a great video to back
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up. I know it's not happening for
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me. How's that?
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He's the, he's the only one that's going to get drafted, but
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yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's the only one
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that could, you know what I mean?
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Like, it's like Bijan a few years ago, which I've told you,
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I stand corrected on to a point. I watched a great video.
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I'll have to send you Daniel backing up what I think about
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it, which is anyway, it's about positional value.
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All that being said, you need a tackle.
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Francis Magoga is just sitting here in the top three.
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I'm drafting Francis Magoga from from Miami as a tackle for the
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Cardinals. It's a great pick.
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Yeah, they're they have had a lot of smoke recently about
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Jeremiah Love and I'm pretty sure they are just doing the
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whole hey, we're going to take him.
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Y'all better trade up and get him.
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I think that's what you're really doing.
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So good call there. If they stick, I do think they
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like tackle. If I'm the Titans, I am not
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walking. I'm running the card to the
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commissioner's desk and getting Arvel Reese, edge from Ohio
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State, there's a lot of talk that he could be the second
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overall to The Jets. He could go third overall to the
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Cardinals. He's one of those kinds of
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players. Titans top need is all of the
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defense, but especially the edge.
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Arvel Reese is one of those players.
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High motor, great size. I think that that's who they
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would go for well. If I'm the Giants, I'm then
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running to the podium whatever and drafting Sonny Styles, who I
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think is the best linebacker in the class.
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He's a top five overall player. Him and our Val Reese both I
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would think all of our Reese ever David Bailey personally,
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but OK, I get the stuff as a prospect there, but from the
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Giants taking Sonny Styles in the top five to the Giants I.
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Think that, yeah. You know, obviously they got
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scataboo last year. There's still been some talk
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that they're interested. One of the teams in love, but
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the fact that he didn't go there would intrigue me.
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If I'm the Browns, they are in need of any great player that
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they can get their hands on. But wide receiver is actually
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one of their top needs. And they've got a guy sitting
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right there in Carnell Tate out of Ohio State.
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So we're going three straight Buckeyes in this draft.
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He's the number one wide receiver, but he's also he's
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just a complete player you think about.
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It's also nice little grab for your hometown.
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So you know the Cleveland fan base, a lot of those people are
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Ohio State fans as well. So give me Carnell Tate to the
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Browns at six overall, all right?
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You've got said the skins the Washington football team here at
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7 which I grew up a Cowboys fan, so I still not a not a
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Washington fan necessarily, but I'm not going to screw them
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here. They need some wide receiver
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help. I think you're you're they're
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taking one of these two wide receivers.
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Cardinal Tate, you took, if I'm Washington taking Mikhail Lemon,
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USC, I think a separated by receiver class and that I think
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you've got like 2 that are going to go in the top ten and maybe
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wait a little bit. Like I think there's a clear one
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and two in this class and that gap.
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And so I think Cardinal Tate and Mikhail Lemon are your two like
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no doubt NFL starting, you know, wide receiver, 1 studs and then
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a gap after that. So I'm going ahead and sharing
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up that I'm getting the second one there at #7 for the
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Commanders. Yeah, there's.
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Been a lot of smoke recently about Jordan Tyson wide receiver
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Arizona State. I like lemon like you ahead of
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him, but there's it's all over the place.
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This is definitely smokescreen season.
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Everybody's trying to play their hand.
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It's amazing that Jeremiah Love has made it this far.
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I definitely blame you Jacob for him dropping.
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I've been told that his floor is getting picked 7th overall.
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I'm drafting for my hated rival the Saints, AKA the Ain't.
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But there's nothing but great players here, a great fit.
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I think they have a big need at cornerback and my Mansour
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Delaine out of LSU, they love taking their LSU guys at in New
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Orleans. I'm going to just stick with
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that fit. I like that fit a lot.
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I would be tempted to take Jeremiah Love right here if I am
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New Orleans, just with an aging, you know, Alvin Kamara and you
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know, they've they've got some other guys that are just just
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dudes that nobody's nobody's elite.
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This is where you would go shopping for one of those guys.
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But I'm sticking with Delane at cornerback.
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I think feels a need and it's a great player available.
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All right, so. You're going sword Delane, so
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look what? Just fell into the chiefs lap OK
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at at 9 are you talking? About Jeremiah Love.
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You're not going to give it to him.
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I know you're not. I'm not.
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It's a top ten pick. Why would you?
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Why would you waste on a running back, especially when you need
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an edge player and Reuben Bain sitting here at #9 So I'm
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running to the table and drafting Reuben Bain out of
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Miami. I think he is the best.
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This is one of those out think the room things is you see how
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David Bailey measures, You see how Arlo Reese measures.
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And I know there's something to that of you can play smaller in
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college. You don't play as good as
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competition. You've got to have a minimum
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body size in the NFLI. Get all of that.
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But to me there's a difference in, for example, Trayvon Walker.
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Trayvon Walker did not explode stat wise at Georgia, but the
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role he played, he played very well and still popped on tape
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and then he measured amazing. That to me would be like an
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Arvel Reese of like played his role extremely well and measured
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amazing. Ruben Bayne is just hey, turn on
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the tape and don't ever think this.
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I know he doesn't measure as well as David Bailey, but I
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mean, man, well, look what he did even in the playoff run
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against the best teams he played.
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Look at how he performed against the best teams.
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He blew up teams offensive plans.
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He made offensive play callers call around him.
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I'm not even kidding. I'm running the table from the
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Chiefs. You don't draft a running back
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on Reuben Bay and sitting here and you need that help.
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So give me, give me Reuben Bay from Miami.
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And look at this now, the Giants have two top 10 picks and look
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what fell to #10 well. Here's the thing, Jeremiah Love
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is such a he. He's such a good player.
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He is 1. Like normally the way the draft
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boards work, he's one of these guys that's like written in
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towards the top, but positional value like you were talking
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about Jacob drops him a little bit, but there is a Cliff that
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you fall off of as far as running backs go for the rest of
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this, you know, So I think teams are trading up to get him.
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If this was to get to where he's dropping, I don't think he is
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making it out of the top ten. If this is the situation that
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happens and I am New York and I have Kim Scataboo, I am still
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drafting Jeremiah Love at #10 overall Scataboo coming off that
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obviously gruesome injury, lower extremity injury, they'd go
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ahead and take him. And then when Scataboo comes
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back, it doesn't hurt to have multiple playmakers in the
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backfield, especially with Jeremiah Love's ability to catch
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the ball out of the backfield. Now you've got 2 receiving
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backs. It's going to help that offense
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even more so. So yeah, Jeremiah Love, 10 to
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the Giants. Miami going through a little bit
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of a rebuild and reset. What they're going to need
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though, is they let to a walk because they're going to need
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some offensive line help for whatever is sitting there at
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quarterback. I'm going who I think is the
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second best offensive line prospect in this draft.
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Give me Monroe Freeling, Georgia from the Dolphins taking the
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second best tackle in the draft and Monroe Freeling.
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That's what I'm taking. It's a.
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Good pick I think he's just going to go in the top top 20.
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There's I feel that a lot more teams because he can actually
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project as a left tackle. Most of the tackles in the first
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round are actually like. I think the ceilings are right
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tackle so he's someone who could eventually flip.
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Well, man, the Cowboys get to be flashy here.
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They could. They're.
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Wishing they could have drafted another running back in the
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first round. They are dude, if Jeremiah love
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drop, they would do it. I do like 2 picks here for them.
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They're they have a need at corner.
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Jermont McCoy is is a really great you know, but there's a
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there is currently some questions or in circles about
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his injury history and like kind of where he's at at this moment.
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With that being said, I'm taking the no brainer.
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You need the slam dunk for the first round pit and it is still
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a need safety. Caleb Downs best player
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available on the board. Don't overthink it.
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Caleb Downs stud. He's going to look great with
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the star on the helmet. See that he does not need to be
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taken outside of the top ten. He's a top five prospect in this
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draft in my opinion. That's where I'd have gone if I
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was the Giants at 10. But you know, I guess people
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have to have their running back. Well, safety, safety is one of
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those positional values that does drop.
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So you've got like Hamilton was Kyle Hamilton was the guy that
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dropped Derwin James got picked late in the first.
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So definitely these guys that are great, they still get picked
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later. This is right at the good spot
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for him. Where'd Starks get drafted?
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Was he in the first round? Yeah, he was like second
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overall, I think. So, I mean, he was the best
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safety of that draft and he was in the 20s, so that makes sense.
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OK, Rams, Is Nikua going to be suspended receiver help?
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Yeah, I don't know, backward. Tackle.
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Think it. You know what?
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You know, you got an aging Matthew Stafford.
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Let's go ahead and get some more offensive line help, Sir.
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Fano, is it? Fano?
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Fano, Utah. Fano.
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There you go, pitcher. Fano, Utah to the Rams at 13.
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Awesome. All right, well, here we are.
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Baltimore, the new look Baltimore with no John Harbaugh
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at the helm. Interesting to see kind of where
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they're going to be defensive tackle at the top of their
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lists. They also tried, you know,
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losing out some of their offensive lineman could go
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interior there. I think that's more of a second
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round grab. I like I like the Jermont McCoy
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fit right here. Corner is one of their needs.
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And I think that best player available what you know,
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Baltimore has become famous for. So Jermont McCoy, Tennessee
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cornerback to Baltimore. Does not hurt you to take best
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player available. Never, I don't think, OK, the
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Buccaneers at 15. Ed is a need.
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Linebackers in need. This might seem like a reach
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here, Daniel, but I think I'm going to go with another Miami
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edge player. I think I'm going to go mezzador
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here for the Bucks. Miami had an unbelievable tandem
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at edge this past season. Both I think are going to be
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taking the first round and in this case in our draft, the top
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15. So give me a key mezidorite in
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Miami to the Bucks here at 15. I love.
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It yeah, here we come to The Jets at 16 overall.
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They're going to, you know, they pick David Bailey early.
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They still have a need at wide receiver.
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There's a glaring need at quarterback.
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Excuse me, do you take Ty Simpson this early?
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He's this my second ranked quarterback.
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I think that somebody's going to trade back in and try to get
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him. I was listening to somebody say
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that. The only the best thing you can
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do if you don't have a slam dunk at quarterback is just keep
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drafting the best players so that when you do get your
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quarterback, the groundwork is laid.
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And I think that's what they're going to do right here with
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Jordan Tyson, wide receiver out of Arizona State, 16 overall, 27
20:27
draft has a lot of good players and there's expect to be a
20:30
handful of good quarterbacks. I think The Jets might still
20:33
take a guy a little bit later just to kind of see, but next
20:37
season maybe when they draft their quarterback and hopefully
20:39
that time they've got some guys that can help around him.
20:43
All right. If I'm, if I'm Dan Camp, one of
20:45
the Lions, you know, I'm taking a alignment of some sort here at
20:50
17. Give me, you know, I'm not going
20:53
to pretend I know how to say his name.
20:55
Offensive guard out of Penn State?
20:57
Yeah. That's a great one.
20:59
I have no idea how to say his name.
21:00
He's great. Aleva.
21:01
IVA. I own Aleva.
21:04
Yeah. Ione.
21:06
Yeah, great pick. I own.
21:07
A. There you go, Totally.
21:08
Say his name all the great. Player big dude.
21:12
You know, I think I'd overshadowed by a obviously a
21:16
chaotic Penn State season this year, but really good prospect
21:20
and Dane Campbell gets an offensive guard and he's hitting
21:23
his head up against the wall. Fired up about it.
21:24
So yeah. Well, all right.
21:26
Well, then we're right. Moving right along.
21:28
We got Minnesota Vikings 18 overall.
21:30
Their top need is safety. Good for them.
21:33
One of the best players available is a safety.
21:35
So second safety is coming off the board here.
21:38
Dylan, the Inaman safety out of Oregon.
21:41
So I think he comes off here at 18.
21:43
I think it's a good fit with positional need as well as
21:48
overall value. I love.
21:49
It all right, I'm struggling here, Daniel with the Panthers
21:52
because I think you're a little bit reaching for a tackle at
21:57
this point as far as best players available safety you
22:00
just took I wouldn't take McNeil Warren out of Toledo here.
22:06
Defensive tackle. It's kind of like everything
22:08
you're kind of reaching for but tight ends in need.
22:10
You got Kenyan Sadiq. But I'm debating here, Daniel.
22:15
You know I'm going to hear from the Panthers.
22:17
Let's give Bryce Young another weapon.
22:19
Let's go Omar Cooper, junior out of Indiana, a wide receiver to
22:23
the Panthers. That's what I think, given what
22:26
we have available. I think that's my best value
22:28
pick as far as me and who's available, yeah.
22:32
This is a good one. That's a good one.
22:34
Now we're here with Dallas Cowboys second pick in the
22:38
draft. They got their safety with Caleb
22:42
Downs on that 12th overall pick. Now they're picking at 20.
22:45
Still have needs at linebacker, corner edge, offensive tackle.
22:50
You just kind of look around, you've got Keldrick Falk out of
22:53
Auburn at Edge, He's hanging out right there.
22:56
You've got Kaden Proctor, offensive tackle, Alabama, Blake
23:00
Miller, offensive tackle at Clemson.
23:03
Just some guys that I think could play right tackle right
23:07
away. Basically, I if if I'm Dallas,
23:11
I'm trying to make sure I can stay good on the offensive line.
23:15
They've had some guys retire in recent years.
23:17
I think Kaden Proctor is probably the next best thing at
23:22
getting him in that right tackle.
23:23
He could kick into guard if that ends up working better for him,
23:26
but I think he's a good prospect.
23:28
So give me Kaden Proctor, 20th overall to the Dallas Cowboys.
23:32
Kaden Proctor So this is one of those prospects.
23:35
Daniel again is Proctor. I was very disappointed in the
23:42
hype. Yeah, coming out of high scores
23:43
recruit in the level of effort I received from him on the field
23:48
was always confusing. Like, I know the talents there,
23:50
maybe someone can unlock it, but to play at a place like Alabama
23:53
and not give effort to me is a red flag.
23:56
But again, position isn't one of those position of value.
23:59
He hits all the measurables if someone can unlock it.
24:02
You know, I'm not necessarily trusting Dowse's culture by any
24:06
means. But that's one of those, you
24:09
know, every, every GM is saying, but I can get it out of them.
24:13
You know, like you're they're at least believing.
24:15
Exactly. So you get picked there.
24:17
OK. Is this a place, is the Steelers
24:19
a place where you find where you get a second quarterback?
24:22
I think that's the position of value.
24:24
You get a fifth year. Where you start asking the.
24:28
Questions. Yeah, this is where you start
24:30
asking the question. And I'm going to say if you're
24:31
the Steelers and you've you've hit reset, you have a first
24:36
round pick and the second best quarterback in this draft is
24:39
available and you hope you're not here again because the
24:41
stewards are consistently 9 and seven.
24:44
Exactly. I think they do it.
24:47
I think they quote UN quote reach.
24:49
I do think Ty Simpson's the second best quarterback in the
24:51
draft. I wonder where he would have
24:53
been drafted if you had to stop the season after the Georgia
24:55
game or even a little bit after that.
24:58
He gets hurt at the end of the season.
24:59
It ends poorly going through. November so.
25:04
So yeah, I don't think it's that big of a reach, but I can see
25:07
everyone's big board. Yeah, give me Ty Simpson to the
25:09
Steelers. And I mean, look, with
25:11
quarterbacks, you try to draft your franchise guy in the first
25:14
round and if not, you try again. You have a first round pick, the
25:18
second best quarterback on the board is available.
25:20
I think you take him because you have five years of control for
25:23
cheap and if it works out, great.
25:25
If it doesn't, you try again here in a couple of years and no
25:27
harm done. Exactly.
25:29
All right. Well, then here we are with the
25:31
Chargers. Jim Harbaugh, you know, he's got
25:36
interior offensive line needs. He's got into your defensive
25:39
line needs edge rusher, really anything on defense.
25:44
You've got Kate and McDonald looking at you right there.
25:46
Defensive tackle best best tackle defensive tackle
25:49
available. But he's from Ohio State.
25:51
You're not going to draft him. You're a Michigan man.
25:53
So give me Keldrick Faulk edge out of Auburn.
25:56
I think this is a great spot for him to go anything in the 20s.
26:01
I think he's a great value pick. I think he could add a lot to a
26:05
team right here. Are you getting?
26:06
Falk out of Auburn. All right, let's see here.
26:11
I was looking at a prospect here, OK, because the Eagles, I
26:14
mean, like the articles come out about, you know, you know, how
26:18
are things really going with Jalen Hurts?
26:19
The Eagles are like, they're great.
26:21
We don't know what you're talking about.
26:23
It's like, OK, then they're going to draft Kenyan Sadiq tied
26:27
in at 23. Let's give another weapon.
26:29
If we believe in jail and Hurts, I mean, by God, we're going to
26:31
run the ball. So let's get it tied in in here
26:33
to run some 13 personnel. You're going to be Sadiq out of
26:36
Oregon to the Eagles here at 23 all.
26:38
Right. Well, now we're here with the
26:40
Cleveland Browns at 24 overall. This is their second pick of the
26:45
first round. Of course, they got Carnell Tate
26:47
to start with. At this point you're just taking
26:50
value and I think there's no better value then getting a
26:54
starter at this point. I think Blake Miller, offensive
26:59
tackle at Clemson, four year starter, I think he is in plug
27:02
and play at right tackle if he needs to be and I think he needs
27:06
to be in Cleveland. So they're looking for starters.
27:08
I think they get one with Carnell Tate at wide receiver
27:11
and I think they get one with Blake Miller.
27:14
You got to surround the the team with talent and I think this is
27:18
exactly what they do here. Boom, Blake Miller out of
27:22
Clemson. All right, the Bears make the
27:24
playoffs, so now they got a bottom draft pick.
27:29
Need some help on the defensive line, both on the interior and
27:32
the edge safety need, man. I mean, you could go.
27:37
I mean, you kind of need center help.
27:41
Ah, looking at the board here, man.
27:43
Let's go. Caden McDonald, Ohio State.
27:46
He's the best interior defensive prospect here in the draft. 3
27:50
Ohio State players in the first round so far are 444 Ohio State
27:54
players. Yeah, this is a big maybe.
27:56
Ohio State should win the title this year.
28:01
Actually, no, that's five. No, I.
28:03
Want to say I was like 3 straight?
28:05
And then Caleb Downs and then. Yeah.
28:08
No Kate McDonald, that's their. Fifth one.
28:11
Kate McDonald, Ohio State to the Bears.
28:13
All right, this. Is where you start to get about
28:16
preference about, you know, these teams are, I think they
28:19
can, they can go outside of positional need if they need to.
28:23
You're at the end of your end of the first round is about getting
28:28
guys that you want good control over for the next 5 years.
28:31
You know, you'll see trades into the first round from the top of
28:35
the second round because you get that fifth year control.
28:37
But the Buffalo Bills at 26th overall, they've got a few
28:42
needs. They always need an explosive
28:44
wide receiver. I don't know, Casey.
28:46
Casey Concepcion right here makes some sense to me.
28:50
I also really like getting linebacker.
28:54
CJ Allen from Georgia, think right here is a good spot.
28:59
They have a need at linebacker. He didn't test super well, which
29:03
I think is why he's kind of dropping to the late first
29:05
round, early second round grade for a lot of people.
29:10
Yeah, I mean, turn on the tape. This dude is special captain of
29:14
the defense. You're not going to regret
29:15
taking him and having him under control for five years.
29:19
I. Just I was, I was, I wasn't
29:21
going to do this on purpose, but I was looking at what was left.
29:24
And I do have, as a fan of CJ Allen, I do have my dream spot
29:29
for him. If he starts dropping in the
29:31
draft, which it looks like he's going to go late first round at
29:33
this point. Dude, him on him on the Texans
29:36
would be sick. Yeah.
29:38
Yeah. Like him and Will Anderson in
29:40
the same defense and the same defense that has Stingley and
29:44
Kamari Lassiter at the corner. They're they're just troubling
29:47
tripling down, but they make a Ryan.
29:49
They make a Ryan's was coached by, you know, Kirby Smart, So
29:52
they all, you know, know similar things.
29:55
So that's a spot right there, man.
29:57
That would be a good spot, yeah. CJ Allen to Buffalo.
30:00
All right, that puts us at the 49ers.
30:03
I think they could go two different ways here.
30:05
Do I go tackle with Caleb Lomu out of Utah?
30:09
Do I go wide receiver? She could go a few ways here.
30:11
And what do you think, Daniel? I think they're going tackler,
30:14
wide receiver, given who? Given it's.
30:16
Just that I mean, personally I value, I think there's more.
30:21
I think there's only, I think there's a deeper wide receivers
30:25
in this draft. I think there's only like 6-6 or
30:28
seven offensive tackles that are worth their.
30:30
Salt. That's fair.
30:31
So. That's usually how I would grade
30:34
it. But if you're asking me straight
30:36
up, Casey Conception versus Cale Lomu, I like conception more.
30:39
He's more, yeah, sexier pick, but I think the better pick
30:43
would probably be Lomu. I'm.
30:44
Going Lomu, Utah, Yeah, I'm like, I did it.
30:46
I did it on my side. You made a good point about the,
30:49
you know, 6 versus several yeah. Caleb Lobo, Utah to the 49ers at
30:53
pick 27. Well.
30:54
Here at pick 28, I'm already sad because I want CJ Allen, just
30:58
like you mentioned they would be loving him here.
31:00
They could use any interior offensive lineman, defensive
31:04
lineman. You know, there's there's a lot
31:06
of needs in in Houston. There's talk to they're even,
31:10
you know, interested in quarterback going forward,
31:12
trying to figure figure everything out.
31:14
But while we're here, I like Peter Woods out of Clemson at
31:17
this spot as you get towards the end of the first round.
31:20
So just give me Peter Woods. We'll take him Houston Texans
31:24
and I think that'll be a good spot all.
31:26
Right, Daniel, I'm going to go that the Chiefs and get my homes
31:32
back from injury and say, hey man, we got you a special gift
31:36
and it's Casey Concepcion out of Texas A&M.
31:40
Enjoy. And they draft him at #29
31:42
overall, from Texas A&M to the Chiefs, I love.
31:46
It all right, well, right here at the end.
31:49
So Miami Dolphins with their second pick of the draft, they
31:53
had #11 overall where you had them taking Monroe Freeling, the
31:58
offensive tackle. So right here, they're probably
32:01
upset they just missed out on KCI.
32:05
Think you've got a couple of different ways they can go.
32:08
I like Avian Terrell out of Clemson at corner.
32:14
So that's one of their biggest needs.
32:15
So I'll go Avian Terrell right here at #30.
32:19
I love it. All right, Avian Terrell.
32:23
Clemson to Miami. OK, we've got the Super Bowl
32:26
contenders now the Patriots need some wide receiver.
32:29
I think you're reaching at this point.
32:30
If you take wide receiver edge, you can take Secret.
32:33
They're. Going to be trading for A.J.
32:34
Brown, don't you know? Yeah.
32:36
Where she kept secret. So edge.
32:38
You could take here edge, smile like best at this point.
32:41
This is tough. I think if you're the Patriots,
32:44
you're hoping CJ Allen is still available.
32:46
And if not, I don't think you're going linebacker.
32:48
I will go edge. Daniel, let me go.
32:50
Zion Young out of Missouri. I think he's best left at this
32:54
point. You get a high value player in
32:56
the first round, you get a body in there.
33:00
Yeah. Zion Young Missouri that.
33:02
Is good. Now you're at last pick of the
33:04
first round Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl champs.
33:07
I think you can do a couple of different things here.
33:09
I mean, obviously they just let their, you know, Kenneth Walker,
33:14
they're running back, you know, the Super Bowl MVP, they let him
33:17
walk. If there is a running back
33:19
worthy, this is a great spot for him.
33:22
Like I said before, after Jeremiah Love, I don't think
33:24
there is one. I think it's there's only a
33:28
handful of guys that are even draftable this year.
33:30
It's not a really great running back draft edge.
33:34
If there was someone that made sense.
33:36
I like Zion Young, like you just got with the Patriots.
33:40
I like him here. If he if he makes it, if he does
33:44
not additional value to your line offensive line is what
33:48
they, you know, could use, but that's going to be more later in
33:53
the draft. I don't, I don't think they
33:54
draft that here. I'm going best player available.
33:57
And in my book, that's going to be Christian Miller out of
33:59
Georgia defensive tackle. You could see him come off the
34:02
board like I did a couple of spots ago with the Texans.
34:05
It just comes down to preference on who they prefer.
34:08
I like Christian Miller out of Georgia defensive tackle
34:10
rounding out the first round with Seattle Seahawks.
34:15
OK. Daniel All right, best players
34:18
that are left here. I what's funny is I was writing
34:21
down Christian Miller as one of my favorite players that were
34:24
left. Yeah, sound.
34:27
Like there you took that when I was I didn't know where you were
34:29
going to go, but I was like, see who are some of your best
34:31
players that were not drafted that you think will be How's
34:36
that like multi year starters in the NFL?
34:38
Maybe not Pro Bowl, but I mean, if you want to go Pro Bowl like
34:40
this, who are the best prospects that will make an impact in the
34:44
NFL that we love Washington College.
34:46
Yeah, they, you know, I had some of these guys that we picked at
34:52
the end of the first round are guys that are actually not
34:55
projected to go in the first round.
34:56
So some of those guys are my favourites.
34:58
But as I'm going through, all my stuff is loading very slowly.
35:03
I know that you know off the top.
35:06
Exactly 1 branch. I mean, I like, I like branch at
35:10
receiver. I don't think that his size has
35:13
helped him be a first round pick.
35:16
His production was there, but I think he's going to be probably
35:19
more middle second round to the middle to end of the second
35:23
round because of his size, because he can't play every
35:26
down. Yeah, give me a couple just.
35:28
Be careful. You don't want him standing in
35:30
the way in the tunnel of these stadiums.
35:32
If you know if he's standing too much in the way, the security
35:35
might come get him. So just be careful there with
35:38
Zach Branch. It's only the Anthony.
35:40
Hill, Texas, Yeah, Anthony Hill out of Texas.
35:43
That's my favorite that's left. He's one of the players that I
35:46
think coming out of high school ought to set it as a no down
35:48
first rounder. I think he played like it at
35:52
Texas. So that's one of those players
35:54
that as a college fan, I'm sitting here going I think
35:57
you're out thinking the room when you're looking at somebody
36:00
like and I mean, even though I even though I drafted him, like
36:04
if you feel the Patriots, you're going linebacker edge.
36:07
I know I took Zion young because I'm trying to be a little bit
36:10
realistic of what's actually gonna happen.
36:11
But like, I think I mean, I think if it heals a better
36:14
player, different positions, a different value there.
36:16
But I think I think hills a great linebacker and he's on my
36:19
favorite players. It's left Jacob.
36:20
Rodriguez is one of these guys out of Texas Tech linebacker,
36:25
getting a lot of run for potential late first round guy.
36:28
I like him a lot. I think he's going to amount to
36:30
something at the next level. This is a very heavy wide
36:34
receiver draft, so you know we're talking about some
36:37
different guys. Jeremy Bernard is also in that
36:40
category. I think he's going to be
36:41
special. Let me see, There was another
36:46
player that I really liked. Can I?
36:48
Pause you on Jacob Rodriguez. Jacob Rodriguez is my answer to
36:51
another question we were going to ask, which is late bloomer or
36:55
peaked in college. I think Jacob Rodriguez is a
36:57
peaked in college player. OK.
37:00
I like that. Do you have?
37:01
One at the top of your head of peaked in college.
37:04
Yeah, if we're going to do peaked in college, I mean,
37:07
mine's kind of an ultimate peaked in college.
37:10
Diego Pavia, I I don't mean that he's going to be a NFL prospect.
37:14
And I don't want to feel like I'm punching down, but I was
37:17
just listening to Daniel Jeremiah talk about it was
37:21
either him or Todd Mcshay recently talking about the
37:24
Senior Bowl and how there were six quarterbacks that were there
37:27
and only five of them should have been there.
37:29
And he was basically just like, it just doesn't make sense.
37:32
There may be a team that tries to draft him in like the seventh
37:34
round, but it's probably going to be undrafted free agent and
37:37
he's not exactly the kind of guy that's going to win you over in
37:40
the room. And so while I think he was a
37:42
really good college player and it really electric and really
37:45
changed a lot of like the college football talk past
37:48
couple years. Definitely not any sort of an
37:51
NFL prospect. Yeah, that.
37:52
Was some low hanging fruit with with with Pavi and Pavi's game
37:56
not translated the NFL that absolutely I agree with you.
38:00
OK, some more, some more play for those.
38:03
Of you hearing we're getting a little talking over each other
38:05
because the technical technical issues, but it's it's probably
38:08
my Internet. That being said, I like we
38:10
drafted him in the first round. Monroe Freeling.
38:13
I think his best football is ahead of him.
38:15
He had only 18 starts at Georgia, so he was injured for
38:19
some of that. And, you know, I don't think he
38:21
ever put a complete, you know, season together.
38:24
So I think he could, you know, to a starting NFL left tackle
38:28
and he still has a ton. If you look at his like Ras
38:32
score, like his relative athletic score, that was like
38:36
through the roof. He was one of the top tackles to
38:38
ever test. So I think he's got a ton of
38:42
upside as the as the NFL draft experts like to say he's got a
38:47
ton of upside. But of course you get drafted at
38:50
length overall. Let me.
38:51
Throw you a few players that I like and you kind of call out a
38:56
couple that you you either agree with me or can disagree on.
38:59
I said. Anthony Hill, junior Texas
39:01
Jeremy Bernard, Dion Burks, 2 wide receivers out of Alabama
39:06
and Oklahoma, Kayla Banks, defensive tackle out of Florida.
39:10
I think he could go in the first round, maybe day one.
39:14
Everett corner out of Georgia reminds me a lot of Kamari
39:17
Lassiter in that I think was underrated in college.
39:21
Played four years for a Kirby Smart defense and could easily
39:24
be a day one starter in the NFL and work his butt off and shock
39:27
people after camp and have a starting job even though he
39:30
might not be a day one player. Then Oscar Del also to Georgia
39:34
tied in. I think his best ball is ahead
39:35
of him as a tight end. He was a more traditional tight
39:38
end and I think after Brock Bowers it was like, OK, you have
39:41
the generation of Brock Bowers and then a big drop off to
39:44
everybody else. Think something Oscar Delp is an
39:46
incredible tied in a lot faster than I think his stat showed
39:51
this year. And lastly, all me a believer in
39:54
Drew a large still OK. I can see that.
39:58
He definitely has a traits. We'll see if he can ever put it
40:00
together. Yeah, I think those all sound
40:05
good. And I just have a couple more
40:06
that are, you know, as far as our like.
40:10
These these guys, you know, watch out for them.
40:13
I guess I'm interested in if Taylon Green stays at
40:18
quarterback. He says he wants to which every
40:20
athletic quarterback says that, but he's an athletic freak.
40:23
You know, you're in like a A4 four and he's got he's built the
40:28
same dimensions as Calvin Johnson.
40:30
So do with that what you will. I think that he really intrigues
40:34
me as a later round pick. Harold Perkins I think is one of
40:39
these guys out of LSU who at one point Jacob, his freshman year,
40:43
we probably were projecting him to come out and be after three
40:46
years, come out and be like a first round pick.
40:48
That was kind of the vibe because of his pass rush, he
40:51
never quite got to put it all together.
40:53
Each of the following years, whether it be due to injury or
40:57
positional change or whatever it may have been, I think that he's
41:01
got a lot of value on day three for whoever you know up with him
41:05
if they, you know, he gets with the right coach who's puts him
41:07
in the right position to get after the passer.
41:11
That one intrigues me a lot, Nick.
41:12
Singleton, Penn State I think we'll be playing downs in the
41:17
NFL next season. I agree.
41:20
That's a good one. Jacoby Lane, USC.
41:25
Wide. Receiver.
41:26
See. Here if there's any other ones
41:28
that I have my. Last one, Lorenzo Styles, Ohio
41:31
State, a lot of Ohio State love today.
41:35
Yeah, Lorenzo Styles I think is again devalued safety position
41:39
but could easily find his way of playing Nick on roster somewhere
41:42
next year someone. That I just heard about Renee
41:45
Conga. Watch out for him out of
41:47
Louisville. New to football ish, but he
41:50
tested crazy like a 10200m guy and he's a defensive tackle, you
41:55
know, one of those athletic freaks, but doesn't really have
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the tape to do it just yet. But you can see him again day
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three. That's when you get those guys.
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They're just, hey, they may not have the tape, you may not know
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exactly what going to do, but you're going to mold them.
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That's when you're getting, you're getting the clay on those
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days so you can mold them into what you want.
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I don't think we're missing anybody that was wanting to talk
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about. I think we're good.
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There you go. I love it, Daniel.
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That will do it for this episode of the NFL draft.
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Next episode, share to today. We're doing a little special
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edition college football episode with one of my favorite topics,
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uniforms. So we're going to talk about the
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Oregon Ducks. How did they revolutionize
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uniforms, not as in college football, but in the NFL too,
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because teams are wearing different uniforms in the NFL as
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well. And this, this really all
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started with Oregon and Nike. And we actually got a really
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cool interview with Richard Bacchus and who was the one of
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the designers for the Nike uniforms when Oregon first
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rolled them out and decided to be different.
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He designed the Nike logo. So we get the story from the
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source. We'll talk some of our favorite
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and least favorite Oregon uniforms.
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So something special about college football's uniforms.
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Can't talk about uniforms that Oregon.
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So that'll be here on the next episode.
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