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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 23 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie
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Speaker 1: missing day twenty three. This, as we learn, a slowed
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Speaker 1: down look at the porch guy reveals what appears to
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Speaker 1: be a cell phone display in the background. Is that
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Speaker 1: why Sheriff Nanos, in his wisdom, continues to say there
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Speaker 1: is an accomplice? Also, do we see identifying markers of
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Speaker 1: a walkie talkie peeking out of the porch guy's pucket?
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Speaker 1: This and so much more the scene has turned shambolic
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Speaker 1: and Nanos is sadly still talking. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. What do we know about an accomplice? What
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Speaker 1: is the theory behind that?
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Speaker 2: We don't see a second person, but we know we've
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Speaker 2: got an eighty four year old woman who lacks mobility
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Speaker 2: and is going to need help to lead.
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Speaker 1: How is this happening? How is this happening? Why is
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Speaker 1: it day twenty three? And apparently Nanos is still issuing
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Speaker 1: inane press statements. Let's talk about what the evidence reveals
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Speaker 1: over the weekend. First of all, I want to identify
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Speaker 1: what appears to be and it seems to be convincing.
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Speaker 1: In a slow mo of the Porch Guy video, there
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Speaker 1: appears to be a cell phone display off to the side.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to see that still isolated, still, and
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Speaker 1: I want to see it in slow mo. So if
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Speaker 1: I could get the control room to show that as
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Speaker 1: I go to the guests with me and All Star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we are learning right now.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Wow,
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Speaker 1: you really have to slow it down to see it,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, should I believe Nano's are my lying eyes?
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Speaker 1: That looks like a cell phone display, Dave.
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Speaker 2: Looks like one to me too, Nancy, And yeah, you
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Speaker 2: got to slow it down, but you can see something
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Speaker 2: clearly there. It's rectangular, you know, it looks like a phone,
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Speaker 2: which this is something we've been pointing to all along
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Speaker 2: that there's got to be help here and check that out. Look,
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Speaker 2: you're seeing it right there on the edge of the screen.
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Speaker 3: Boom.
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Speaker 2: That is not the guy covering up the lens. That
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Speaker 2: is somebody else with that camera or phone.
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Speaker 1: Rather Okay, straight out to all of our guests, Scott
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Speaker 1: Iiker joining me, digital forensics expert founding member, and I
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Speaker 1: can't say this enough of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey
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Speaker 1: team cast the anachronism currently at PC and Cellular Analysis.
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Speaker 1: He also was in homicide in the Norfolk, Virginia pde Scott,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Why are we we
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Speaker 1: having to slow this down and find it ourselves? Wouldn't
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Speaker 1: this have been helpful for Nanaz to put out there
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Speaker 1: on day one? As soon as Google and the FBI
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Speaker 1: mans to dig it up for him, he said it
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Speaker 1: didn't exist.
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Speaker 4: Recall, I do recall that initially they thought they couldn't
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Speaker 4: get any video. But this is what the cast team does.
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Speaker 4: Whether we saw a camera in the video or not,
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Speaker 4: or suspect that to be a camera cast. The FBI's
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Speaker 4: cast team is going to be work looking at all
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Speaker 4: the cell phones in the area no matter what. So
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Speaker 4: it's going to take a.
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Speaker 5: Lot of time.
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Speaker 4: We've got dumps from the all the major cell phone
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Speaker 4: companies in that area and now we just have to
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Speaker 4: weed through all those phone numbers to figure out which
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Speaker 4: ones are pertinent to the case and which ones are not.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, Iiker, have you ever been on the witness
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Speaker 1: stand Well.
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Speaker 5: I've testifies as an expert over twenty times.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I take that simply as a yes. Okay,
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Speaker 1: have you ever had a lawyer jump up in the
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Speaker 1: middle of your testimony and state your honor? I object
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Speaker 1: that is non responsive to my question.
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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, you ever heard that?
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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, okay, because you just told me about it.
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Speaker 1: Do I look like I just fell off the tournament truck?
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Speaker 1: Let's establish that first, Do I not?
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Speaker 5: Today?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I'm going to ignore that barb to suggest that
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Speaker 1: I did look like I fell off the tournament truck
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Speaker 1: on an earlier occasion, and move forward. Scott, I respect you.
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Speaker 1: You have a pristine reputation and expertise beyond anyone else
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Speaker 1: I know when it comes to digital data. But I
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Speaker 1: asked you not about the cell phone data dump in
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Speaker 1: the area. We've already established that cast did that. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking to you about the video that we keep showing
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Speaker 1: on the screen. Looky, looky, you can see a cell
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Speaker 1: phone light up in the back, and I'm very surprised
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Speaker 1: that's happening and we're finding out about it right now. Okay,
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Speaker 1: look hold on while you look at that. Let me
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Speaker 1: go to Coles Rude joining me now, veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: Josh Coles Rude from this jurisdiction, currently criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor, founder of Cols Root Law Offices. Josh,
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Speaker 1: I actually don't need an esteemed founder a cellular announce
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Speaker 1: as survey team to tell me what I'm seeing. Do
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Speaker 1: you see that, Josh, Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 6: It looks like there is something protruding out of somebody's
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Speaker 6: pocket that resembles a phone, and this could be the
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Speaker 6: smoking gun that we're all waiting for. I mean, this
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Speaker 6: cellular phone, as we all know, has so much data
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Speaker 6: that if that phone is on, it's only a matter
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Speaker 6: of time before the FBI gets a hold of the information.
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Speaker 6: Hopefully we're able to identify as suspect soon.
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Speaker 1: Only a matter of time. Okay, you know what, Iker,
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Speaker 1: I think you are a step ahead of me. So
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Speaker 1: you're saying, and I'm giving you the huge benefit of
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Speaker 1: the doubt here, I think you're saying that that cell phone,
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Speaker 1: if it exists, would have been picked up in the
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Speaker 1: data dump.
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Speaker 7: That's correct, Is that what you're.
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Speaker 5: Saying, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: Okay. What I don't get is, okay, let's just keep
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Speaker 1: seeing it. The viewers have seen the guests. I want
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Speaker 1: to look at that picture. I want to look at
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Speaker 1: that in slow mode. I want to look at that
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Speaker 1: in iso, Scott Iker, based on the shape of it,
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Speaker 1: based on where we're seeing it. Thank you for circling it.
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Speaker 1: That's perfect, Thank you, Control room. How could it be
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Speaker 1: anything else?
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Speaker 5: That's tough to.
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Speaker 4: I do see the kind of rectangular flash of possibly
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Speaker 4: a cell phone. Is it a reflection from something else?
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Speaker 5: Is that you know?
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Speaker 4: I have no idea what it is. I give you
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Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt that that could be a
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Speaker 4: cell phone. And we're assuming that they're going to have
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Speaker 4: a cell phone anyway, it really doesn't matter whether we
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Speaker 4: see it in the camera.
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Speaker 5: We're going to assume they have one.
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Speaker 1: No, but this is a second person. It's not the
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Speaker 1: person struggling with the foliage Scott, it's a second person
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Speaker 1: with a cell phone. I need to see it again,
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Speaker 1: please in slow mo if you can. Because some people
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Speaker 1: suggest maybe it's the reflective backpack. I don't see how
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Speaker 1: that's possible right there at that juncture. Dave Matt, what
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Speaker 1: do you think about the possibility it's the reflection on
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Speaker 1: the backpack, because it seems to show up and then
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Speaker 1: go away, and that wouldn't be so if it were
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Speaker 1: the backpack.
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Speaker 3: I think it really is.
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Speaker 2: When you look at where the suspect his standing, okay,
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Speaker 2: and where he's moving his hand, the backpack is going
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Speaker 2: to be more towards the center of the screen, so
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Speaker 2: you know he's using his left hand on the shrubbery
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Speaker 2: there to try to cover the lens. So to me,
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Speaker 2: it looks like this is something clearly being moved by
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Speaker 2: someone else on the other side of the suspect here.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't, you know, That's what I'm seeing.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, Coles, Ruth, have you looked at this and
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Speaker 1: what if so? Tell me your analysis.
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Speaker 6: You know, my first thought is this couldn't be the
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Speaker 6: backpack because it would be obstructed by the body. I mean,
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Speaker 6: the backpack is on the back and when you look
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Speaker 6: at this, it just it resembles what any layman would
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Speaker 6: say as a cell phone, and it needs to be
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Speaker 6: investigated one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: Well the reason okay, remember Josh, and also with me,
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Speaker 1: of course, Scott Iiker John Buehler has Do we have
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Speaker 1: John satellite up control room? Yes?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: Maybe okay, let me know when Bueller joins. The reason
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the backpack. Gosh, if you look
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Speaker 1: at the backpack, there's also reflective strips right here in
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Speaker 1: the front. So I think that that is what some
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Speaker 1: people are talking about. But the issue is played again.
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Speaker 1: Please when you see it pop up, it's disjointed from
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Speaker 1: the actor. It's disjointed from him. It darts in as
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Speaker 1: he's already acting. See what I mean. It's not connected
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Speaker 1: to his movements, which makes me think it's not the backpack. Okay,
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Speaker 1: here's my question. How has this gone unnoticed this far?
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Speaker 1: Scott Iiker were this late into the game where day
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Speaker 1: twenty three and online sleuths and our staff are having
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Speaker 1: to find this information.
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's gone unnoticed. I just think they
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Speaker 4: just have a pointed a doubt. Once we get those
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Speaker 4: type videos, there's a ton of people analyzing it. The
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Speaker 4: analyst from the FBI and the Sheriff's department, and we're
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Speaker 4: going to make assumptions. Some assumptions is that is there
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Speaker 4: an accomplist or not. We've got to look at that.
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Speaker 4: What are the clothing that he's wearing, We've got to
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Speaker 4: look at that. We're assuming they're going to use cell
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Speaker 4: phones because everybody has a cell phone. Now, is there
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Speaker 4: a walkie talkie? Those are all things that we're going
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Speaker 4: to have to jump into and try to look through
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Speaker 4: and investigate.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of a wakee talkie crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about cellular signals such
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Speaker 1: as Nancy Guthries pacemaker, such as let's just say an
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Speaker 1: iPad that hasn't connected, such as you connect or car
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Speaker 1: Wi Fi. You know a lot of cars have it
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Speaker 1: built in. It doesn't show up with Cellular Analysis Survey Team.
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Speaker 1: We'll just call it the FBI. It doesn't show up
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Speaker 1: with FBI the way a cell phone would, but it's
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Speaker 1: still emitting a Wi Fi signal. Here's my question to you.
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Speaker 1: Would a walkie talkie emit such a signal? Scott Iiker I.
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Speaker 5: Don't believe so.
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Speaker 4: Most of the walkie talkies are a point to point transmission.
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Speaker 4: That's why they're a very short range. They would not
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Speaker 4: connect with the cell phone tower itself, So we're not
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Speaker 4: going to see any record of that unless it's a
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Speaker 4: you know, they're using a walkie talkie feature on a
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Speaker 4: cell phone, which is a little bit different. Next, tell
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Speaker 4: used to have that where you could do push to
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Speaker 4: talk and then you could you're basically, you know, making
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Speaker 4: a quick call to another phone, but that was still
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Speaker 4: using a cell phone tower. But if you're thinking of
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Speaker 4: a walkie talkie that you might use while you're hunting
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Speaker 4: with a buddy just to keep track of each other,
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Speaker 4: that's not going to use a cell phone tower, and
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Speaker 4: we're not going to be able to track it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've made a list of devices that I think
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Speaker 1: would show up. Some of them I've already mentioned, like
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Speaker 1: your car FI, an iPad, trying to connect a smart watch,
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Speaker 1: many devices, and I want to circle back to you
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Speaker 1: on smart watch, Scott Iiker, But I want you to
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Speaker 1: see this. Everybody on the panel, take a look at this.
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Speaker 1: It looks as if a walkie talkie i'll just call
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Speaker 1: it an antenna for lack of a better word, is
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Speaker 1: protruding from the porch guy's right pocket. Look at that.
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Speaker 1: I okay, that looks yeah, that's his left pocket. Look
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Speaker 1: at that left pocket. Can we can we zoom in
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Speaker 1: on that again? And if you could give me a
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Speaker 1: steal and enlarge it. It looks like the antenna of
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Speaker 1: a walkie talkie, which further signifies an accomplice. Okay, straight
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Speaker 1: back out to veteran trial lawyer joining us tonight, Josh
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Speaker 1: Coles rut. He's in this jurisdiction, good or bad that
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Speaker 1: there is an accomplice. I say good because it's easier
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Speaker 1: to find two people than it is to find one person. Plus,
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Speaker 1: the more people that are involved, the more likely somebody's
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Speaker 1: going to blab or the more likely. Isn't it always
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Speaker 1: the way, Josh? It's the girlfriend, the wife, the mother,
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Speaker 1: the ex, the little low lady that lives next door
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Speaker 1: to blurt out, hey, wait a minute, I saw fill
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Speaker 1: in the blank. The more people you have involved, the
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Speaker 1: more likely the case is going to be solved. So
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Speaker 1: if there's a walkie talking in play, that tells me
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Speaker 1: there is somebody.
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Speaker 6: Else exactly, and you know, there's an old saying loose
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Speaker 6: lips sink ships. And the more people you have involved,
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Speaker 6: the more likely somebody is going to open their mouth.
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Speaker 6: They're going to brag about it to their girlfriend, they're
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Speaker 6: going to fell maybe they're left out and they want money,
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Speaker 6: who knows. The more people involved, the greater the likelihood
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Speaker 6: that this conspiracy is going to be exposed. Coming up back.
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Speaker 1: To you, what about the possibility that a walkie that
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Speaker 1: is a walkie talkie protruding from his pocket. What does
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Speaker 1: that mean to you?
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Speaker 4: Evidentiarily, well, it's obviously a little more pre planned and
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Speaker 4: more complicated than we thought initially when we see the
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Speaker 4: you know, the perpetrators actually planning this a little bit
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Speaker 4: better if they're planning to have walkie talkies, even though
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Speaker 4: the guy kind of looked fumbling around on the front porch,
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Speaker 4: maybe these guys are a little more sophisticated than we thought,
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Speaker 4: using walkie talkies to communicate for you know, security, for themselves,
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Speaker 4: to say, hey, there's someone walking down the street, get
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Speaker 4: out of there, or something like that.
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Speaker 7: It means to me.
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Speaker 4: That if that is a walkie talkie, that we're gonna,
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Speaker 4: you know, have to be a little more concerned that
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Speaker 4: these guys are more professional than we thought.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm thinking through what you just said. Also, I
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Speaker 1: want to find out, Dave Mac, isn't it true that
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Speaker 1: you can get these at Walmart too? I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you Walmart is kidnapped Central. We've got the backpack
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Speaker 1: can be bought at Walmart. Now, Nanos, tell me about
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Speaker 1: what Nanos just said, Dave Mac. Didn't he say that
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Speaker 1: they are currently closing in on tracking down all of
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Speaker 1: the clothing, not just the backpack at Walmart, because I
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Speaker 1: mean a million people buy that backpack. But if one
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Speaker 1: person comes in and buys the backpack, buys the shirt, buys,
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Speaker 1: the pants, buys, the shoes, buys the walkie talkie, buys
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Speaker 1: that polyester holster that we know is sold at two
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Speaker 1: twos on Walmart's that's going to make it a lot
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Speaker 1: easier to find if you see more than one of
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Speaker 1: those articles on a receipt, or more than one of
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Speaker 1: those articles on an Amazon search or purchase, which is
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Speaker 1: another thing. Ikeer, don't let me forget to ask you
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Speaker 1: about how we can bring Amazon into this search. So
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Speaker 1: what did you learn? Are these sold at Walmart? Also,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac And what did nanos say about identifying all
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Speaker 1: the clothing?
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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the walkie talkies, Nancy, we had
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Speaker 2: a shot of it a minute ago. The producers in
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Speaker 2: New York actually went on Walmart and pulled up the
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Speaker 2: walkie talkie that appears to be the right size that
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Speaker 2: would go in that pocket with an antenna sticking up there.
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Speaker 2: It is right there on the screen, and that is
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Speaker 2: sold at Walmart. Now, what Nanos is talking about about
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Speaker 2: the identifying the rest of the clothing.
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Speaker 3: I feel like you should pick up the phone.
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Speaker 2: And call our producers in New York because the day
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Speaker 2: we had the video, they Angelica and the team there
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Speaker 2: were blowing it up with all of the things they saw,
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Speaker 2: the backpack, the possible clothing, the guys the person is
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Speaker 2: wearing from the pullover hat, you know, with the three
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Speaker 2: holes in it. They were breaking down all of the clothing.
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Speaker 2: Nanos is now saying, we're close to identifying all of
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Speaker 2: the clothing that is seen. I'm thinking, well, so is
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Speaker 2: everybody else. It's not like this is that big of
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Speaker 2: a deal. Now here's the kick.
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Speaker 3: Nancy.
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Speaker 2: You pointed out that the the really nasty little holster
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Speaker 2: you know that carried in the front that doesn't even
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Speaker 2: fit the gun that's only sold it to Tucson area
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Speaker 2: Walmart's The one thing I tend to agree with nan
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Speaker 2: Is is that this is a Tucson person. So that's
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Speaker 2: where they got the list they took that investigators took
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Speaker 2: a list of potential people with pictures to local gun shops.
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Speaker 2: These were people they found in the stores at Walmart day.
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Speaker 1: We here on this panel, probably these guests right here.
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Speaker 1: Established the guys a Tucson area resident on day one
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Speaker 1: because he picked out two local stations to send his
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Speaker 1: ransom note to. Of course, that is taking into account.
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Speaker 1: Is the ransom note really even connected to her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: which I've got a whole theory that it's not because
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Speaker 1: they never produced proof of life. That's a whole other
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Back to the walkie talking let's button
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Speaker 1: that down before we move to the next topic. Go ahead, David, yep.
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Speaker 2: The wakie talkies are sold at Walmart. Clearly we had
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Speaker 2: the photo of it right there online and it is available.
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Speaker 2: Those walkie talkies are available into song at Walmart. There's
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Speaker 2: thirteen Walmarts.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Back to Iiker Scott Aiker joining us former homicide
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Speaker 1: with Norfolk PD, Norfolk PD also FBI now precision Cellularanalysis
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Speaker 1: dot com. How could we possibly track a walkie talkie
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty six there's got to be a way.
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Speaker 1: But if it's not emitting Wi Fi, it's not connected
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Speaker 1: to a cell phone. Have we been outsmarted?
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Speaker 5: I don't think we're outsmarted. You know, some of the newer.
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Speaker 4: Walkie talkies have a lot of other aspects to them,
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Speaker 4: just other than being the walkie talkie. They're also GPS enabled,
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Speaker 4: so there might be other ways that we can get
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Speaker 4: different indications that the walkie talkies are in the area.
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Speaker 4: But in my mind, that's kind of a tough thing
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Speaker 4: to do. We assumed they had cell phones. Walkie talkies
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Speaker 4: might be a way that they have kind of outsmarted
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Speaker 4: the technology. We'll have to dig it further into it.
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Speaker 1: So are you telling me there's no way to trace
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Speaker 1: a walkie talkie.
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Speaker 5: I don't think there is.
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Speaker 4: I mean, if you had the walkie talkie itself, you
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Speaker 4: get backtracked to where it was bought, stuff like that.
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Speaker 4: But I don't think it's going to show up in
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Speaker 4: any databases that it was in that area at the
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Speaker 4: time that you know she went missing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me see the picture one more time. I
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Speaker 1: remember when my son John David was obsessed with everything
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Speaker 1: spy related and we all had to have walkie talkies,
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Speaker 1: and then we had to have a new set of
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Speaker 1: walkie talkies, and then somebody would lose when we get
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Speaker 1: a new set. How many people can be on a
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Speaker 1: walkie talkie, how many parties cher can join in on
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Speaker 1: one frequency?
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Speaker 4: Numerous Can you see families up on the ski slopes
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Speaker 4: using three or four different walkie talkies all on the
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Speaker 4: same frequency. They can keep in touch with each other
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Speaker 4: and meet at the bottom of a specific time. So
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Speaker 4: that's a good example of several people being on the
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Speaker 4: walkie talkie at the same time. But there's limited frequencies,
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Speaker 4: so a lot of times you get bleed over between
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Speaker 4: different frequencies that are close to each other. But you know,
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Speaker 4: you can put several different probably five or six different
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Speaker 4: people on the same frequency at the same time.
20:23
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to believe that we can
20:25
Speaker 1: put a woman up in the in space circling the
20:28
Speaker 1: moon on the moon, but we can't trace multiple walkie
20:33
Speaker 1: talkies being used at the same time on the same
20:36
Speaker 1: frequency at the scene of a kidnap. But your firm
20:40
Speaker 1: and in your analysis that cannot be traced, Is that right, Iiker,
20:46
Speaker 1: That's you're.
20:46
Speaker 4: Going to put me in a position where I'm going
20:48
Speaker 4: to say, I don't think so. But technology changes every day,
20:53
Speaker 4: so can't they do it? Is there another way to
20:56
Speaker 4: do it that I'm not thinking?
20:58
Speaker 1: That's just what the team would love and what the
21:02
Speaker 1: kidnapper loves. He is getting all of his information he
21:06
Speaker 1: think he needs to know from Nanos.
21:08
Speaker 8: He needs to shut his hold and stop because he's
21:11
Speaker 8: not helping the investigation.
21:13
Speaker 1: No, he's not. Day twenty three, where is Nancy Guthrie?
21:20
Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's mother still missing and the scene is chambolic?
21:26
Speaker 1: A pizza guy, a pizza guy drives right up to
21:31
Speaker 1: the house the crime scene and goes up to the
21:36
Speaker 1: door to deliver pizza in the midst of this investigation.
21:42
Speaker 1: Why is it still not blocked off? If and win
21:47
Speaker 1: this case ever does go to trial, there's going to
21:49
Speaker 1: be hell to pay h e doublel hell to pay
21:54
Speaker 1: on ice skates because you've got a pool cleaning team
21:58
Speaker 1: coming through, you have pizza delivery. You've got people sneaking
22:03
Speaker 1: up to the front porch taking pictures of Nancy Guthrie's blood.
22:06
Speaker 1: For Peape's sake, I would flip if someone was taking
22:10
Speaker 1: pictures of my mom's blood on the front porch. You've
22:14
Speaker 1: got the first team coming in, failing, you've got the
22:17
Speaker 1: FBI finally joining in after being blocked by Nanos, they
22:22
Speaker 1: come in. You know what this means, evidentiarily is that
22:28
Speaker 1: every single person that went into that scene is going
22:31
Speaker 1: to have to be ruled out of DNA over the weekend,
22:35
Speaker 1: Nanos announces again. I just wait for the next bob
22:40
Speaker 1: to drop that the DNA found in the home is mixed, mixed.
22:48
Speaker 1: That is not the end of the world. DNA is
22:51
Speaker 1: often mixed at multiple crime scenes. It's rare that you
22:55
Speaker 1: find pristine DNA. For instance, let's just talk about a rape.
22:59
Speaker 1: You're gonna have the victims DNA and the perpse DNA
23:03
Speaker 1: that's mixed DNA. It's isolated. It's hard sometimes for lay
23:08
Speaker 1: people and myself to understand, even though I've directed experts
23:13
Speaker 1: on the stand, I've cross examined them on the stand,
23:15
Speaker 1: I've been to the crime lab a million times, but
23:17
Speaker 1: how they do it remains a mystery to me. They
23:20
Speaker 1: look under a microscope and they can actually isolate the DNA.
23:25
Speaker 1: Of course it's much more complicated than that, but they
23:28
Speaker 1: can isolate the DNA strands. Then once they isolate it,
23:33
Speaker 1: they begin to try and identify it. That is why
23:37
Speaker 1: I have to pray to my Lord in Heaven that
23:41
Speaker 1: Nano's sent the DNA inside the home to a DNA
23:47
Speaker 1: expert that specializes in mixed, degraded old minuscule amounts of
23:54
Speaker 1: DNA such as Christine Middleman and Authram labs the Brian
24:01
Speaker 1: Coburger case with an incredible statistic. They crack the Rachel
24:07
Speaker 1: Morn case when an illegal alien came into this country
24:11
Speaker 1: running from a murder charge and I'll Salvador, he murdered
24:14
Speaker 1: somebody there. He comes through La sex assaults a minor
24:19
Speaker 1: in her own home with her family there, leaves caught
24:23
Speaker 1: on camera, and then he makes his way to find
24:26
Speaker 1: Rachel Morn where he horribly assaults her and murders her
24:29
Speaker 1: on the Mond pawtrail that was cracked by Athram. Now
24:34
Speaker 1: we need them on this. We know there is multiple DNA.
24:39
Speaker 1: But before I go down the DNA avenue, we need
24:43
Speaker 1: to finish each topic, don't you agree, cols Rude? Isn't
24:47
Speaker 1: that the rule of direct and cross examination? You finish
24:51
Speaker 1: one topic, pause so the jury can absorb what has
24:55
Speaker 1: just happened, and then you move to the next topic.
24:59
Speaker 1: If you have to circle back, you have to circle back.
25:02
Speaker 1: But it's just good trial practice to finish one topic
25:05
Speaker 1: before you go to the next topic.
25:06
Speaker 6: Agree or disagree, and you know within that you also
25:10
Speaker 6: want to incorporate the idea of primacy and recency, where
25:15
Speaker 6: you put the most memorable facts up front and in
25:18
Speaker 6: the back and kind of your your neutral the bad
25:21
Speaker 6: facts in the middle, because jurors, like any human, has
25:25
Speaker 6: a proclivity to remember what they hear first and what
25:29
Speaker 6: they hear last. Now, you know, one thing I don't
25:33
Speaker 6: like about the DNA that you're talking about is that
25:36
Speaker 6: it was discovered apparently two or three weeks after the
25:42
Speaker 6: initial observation of the crime scene. And this brings up,
25:46
Speaker 6: you know, for a defense attorney to argue that the
25:48
Speaker 6: DNA was planted there, that it was contaminated by somebody
25:54
Speaker 6: at the scene of the crime, almost like the OJ
25:57
Speaker 6: Simpson case and the bloody glove.
25:59
Speaker 1: Okay, calls rude. I'm going to take you back to school.
26:04
Speaker 1: We've already discussed that. This is what we came up with.
26:09
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and it would be a
26:11
Speaker 1: wonderful avenue for the defense to trip down. But in
26:17
Speaker 1: order to do that, they would have to have the
26:19
Speaker 1: DNA of the suspect. Let's just use OJ Simpson as
26:22
Speaker 1: the poster child for this. He argued that the victims
26:27
Speaker 1: DNA was planning on his socks, and elsewhere, because he says,
26:34
Speaker 1: which is not true. He had already been identified wrongfully
26:39
Speaker 1: as the killer, the double killer of Nicole Brown and
26:42
Speaker 1: Ron Goldman. So it was feasible. It was a lie,
26:47
Speaker 1: but it was feasible. In this case. We don't have
26:50
Speaker 1: a purp yet, we have not identified a suspect, so
26:54
Speaker 1: it would be impossible to put their DNA at the
26:58
Speaker 1: crime scene. Do you fall it?
27:01
Speaker 6: I do, but I disagree. I know the reason why,
27:06
Speaker 6: and that is if the FBI or law enforcement has
27:10
Speaker 6: a target in mind, a defense attorney could argue that
27:14
Speaker 6: they put that person's DNA at the crime scene in
27:18
Speaker 6: order to, you know, frame that person. Now, I'm not
27:22
Speaker 6: saying that this is going to be a winning argument,
27:24
Speaker 6: but you know, when you go in front of a jury,
27:26
Speaker 6: you never know what's going to stick or not stick.
27:29
Speaker 6: And this just gives a defense attorney ammunition going forward
27:34
Speaker 6: because they didn't discover the DNA in a timely fashion
27:38
Speaker 6: once they got to the crime scene.
27:39
Speaker 1: Okay, I hear you. I agree and disagree. I agree
27:43
Speaker 1: that because the DNA inside the home, the additional DNA
27:48
Speaker 1: that we now are learning over the weekend was mixed,
27:51
Speaker 1: was found two weeks later. Yeah, there will always be
27:55
Speaker 1: an avenue for the defense to argue, but I think
27:59
Speaker 1: the other argument it will prevail. But you know what,
28:01
Speaker 1: if you get one jurrar that is receptive to that
28:04
Speaker 1: kind of argument, you may be absolutely correct, especially your ours,
28:09
Speaker 1: that question or are suspicious of police. Okay, before we
28:14
Speaker 1: go further down the DNA rabbit hole, I want to
28:17
Speaker 1: go back to the walkie talkie. I want to go
28:21
Speaker 1: back to the other items found to be on his person,
28:26
Speaker 1: and I want to look at what we believe to
28:28
Speaker 1: be a Lulu Lemon marking. Okay, any of you out
28:34
Speaker 1: there that has a high school girl or forget high school,
28:36
Speaker 1: junior high at maybe even elementary, Lululemon is really expensive.
28:42
Speaker 1: But a Lulu Lemon insignia, could I see that control room?
28:46
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about right now. So let's see
28:49
Speaker 1: the Lulu Lemon and sing there you go. See that
28:51
Speaker 1: right there? For those of you that don't have a
28:53
Speaker 1: teen girl or just a girl period, Lululemon, that's there, insignia.
29:00
Speaker 1: You didn't get that at Walmart, absolutely not. So we're
29:05
Speaker 1: learning more and more now. That's one thing Nana's got
29:08
Speaker 1: right over the weekend, he said, we're learning more and
29:10
Speaker 1: more about the clothing the person is wearing the porch guy. Okay,
29:16
Speaker 1: where is the Lula Lemon insignia.
29:18
Speaker 2: It is on the left cuff of the suspect that
29:22
Speaker 2: is facing the nest camera, left cuff on the outside,
29:28
Speaker 2: as you can see right there.
29:29
Speaker 1: I can't the outside. I mean, I hate to cross
29:34
Speaker 1: examine my own witness, but the left cuff of what
29:37
Speaker 1: are you talking about.
29:38
Speaker 3: Is arm That's what I'm trying to explain.
29:40
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not exactly sure what in particular that
29:43
Speaker 2: is on. It appears to be on the left cuff
29:46
Speaker 2: of the jacket that the suspect is wearing.
29:50
Speaker 1: So the jacket and that is from Chillinoise on x
29:56
Speaker 1: That's why I first saw it trolling through x Twitter
30:00
Speaker 1: and I saw this that some eagle eye observer found. Okay,
30:04
Speaker 1: once again apparently beating out Nanos. Find it really hard
30:07
Speaker 1: to believe it beat out the FBI too, But let's
30:11
Speaker 1: analyze it. Okay, Nanos said, over the weekend, we're getting
30:16
Speaker 1: closer to identifying all of the defendants clothes, the porch
30:21
Speaker 1: guy's clothes. Now, Scott Aiker, what can you tell me
30:24
Speaker 1: about the FBI? Clothing Data Bank.
30:27
Speaker 4: Well, they don't have a specific database on clothing, but
30:30
Speaker 4: they have several systems to help them identify.
30:33
Speaker 5: Clothing, and now they can use the Internet.
30:36
Speaker 4: They can use what the databases they've had or built
30:39
Speaker 4: over the years too on.
30:40
Speaker 5: Specific older clothing.
30:44
Speaker 4: To help them go to the manufacturers, figure out where
30:48
Speaker 4: they're purchased, and help us track down who might be
30:51
Speaker 4: wearing that clothing.
30:52
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not understanding. You had mentioned in the past
30:56
Speaker 1: the FBI Clothing Data Bank. What is that? Is it
31:00
Speaker 1: a conglomeration of all the research they've done in the past,
31:04
Speaker 1: But what is the FBI Clothing Data Bank.
31:06
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't call it a clothing data bank. I
31:08
Speaker 4: would call it a database data bank database excuse me?
31:14
Speaker 4: That has different items in it to deal with clothing
31:19
Speaker 4: fabrics like carpets. So that's what we're looking at in
31:24
Speaker 4: historically keeping track of what was available and kind of
31:28
Speaker 4: logging that information. As you've seen, it's used not for clothing,
31:33
Speaker 4: but also for carpet fibers. It's kind of a fiber
31:37
Speaker 4: clothing slash database.
31:40
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? Okay? Will that help solve the mystery?
31:47
Speaker 1: Will these items be pieced together and help us catch
31:50
Speaker 1: the so called porch guy and find Nancy Guthrie. Google
31:54
Speaker 1: is working fast and furious to recover even more video
31:58
Speaker 1: possibly audio. Good thing that he disabled the door camp
32:03
Speaker 1: because now we know it kept recording. Two more developments
32:08
Speaker 1: in the last hours. A bloody glove has been found
32:12
Speaker 1: about a mile from Nancy Guthrie's home and a backpack discarded.
32:17
Speaker 1: Dave mac what.
32:18
Speaker 3: Do you know, Nancy.
32:19
Speaker 2: Starting with the bloody glove when it was recovered, it
32:22
Speaker 2: was seen by two citizens that were just out and
32:26
Speaker 2: about in Tucson, about a mile.
32:28
Speaker 3: From Nancy Guthrie's home.
32:30
Speaker 2: They see the glove and they they don't touch it.
32:34
Speaker 2: They call First, they called the FBI. FBI says, well,
32:38
Speaker 2: don't know when we can get out there to get it.
32:40
Speaker 2: Then they call the Sheriff's office. We'll be there in
32:43
Speaker 2: a little while. Finally they call nine to one one.
32:47
Speaker 2: That's when deputies then showed up about fifteen minutes later
32:51
Speaker 2: for this bloody glove. Now moving on to the backpack,
32:55
Speaker 2: this is a shocking turn of events, Nancy, I would
32:59
Speaker 2: think that you have the power of the FBI, the
33:03
Speaker 2: Sheriff's department, four hundred detectives, every area within two miles
33:07
Speaker 2: would have been searched by now. But apparently there's an
33:11
Speaker 2: area about a mile and a half from Nancy Guthrie's
33:13
Speaker 2: home that has a homeless encampment and it's one of
33:17
Speaker 2: these like a culvert that has like the big metal
33:21
Speaker 2: tube where water can wash through it and it is
33:24
Speaker 2: used by homeless people where they stay for the night.
33:28
Speaker 2: Looking in the area, a citizen found a backpack. Now,
33:34
Speaker 2: these citizens are gathering at a local store in the
33:38
Speaker 2: parking lot and doing their own searches, trying to help,
33:41
Speaker 2: and this woman was part of that search crew.
33:44
Speaker 3: She's searching an area.
33:45
Speaker 2: There were a couple of homeless people in this pipe
33:49
Speaker 2: and she saw this discarded backpack. It's a black backpack
33:54
Speaker 2: and she was able to pick it up with a stick.
33:57
Speaker 3: She didn't touch it.
33:59
Speaker 2: She then noted authorities who came out and picked up
34:02
Speaker 2: the backpack. So those two recoveries being made by volunteers,
34:08
Speaker 2: not by law enforcement, not from official searches, but from
34:12
Speaker 2: unofficial searches, by people volunteering their time to try.
34:15
Speaker 3: To help.
34:23
Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace joining me now, special guest
34:30
Speaker 1: John Bueller, former Detective Modesto PD California thirty one years
34:38
Speaker 1: and homicide robbery thirty one years of expertise. He shot
34:45
Speaker 1: to fame and the Scott Peterson investigation. John Bueller, thank
34:52
Speaker 1: you for being with us. What do you make of
34:54
Speaker 1: what we are learning now? First of all, I don't
34:58
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time on it because
34:59
Speaker 1: it doesn't advance the investigation at all. But what is
35:03
Speaker 1: Nanos's problem with bringing in the Feds? Number one? And
35:08
Speaker 1: late breaking developments are better than no developments at all.
35:12
Speaker 1: And yes, it's easier, it's more simple when a police
35:17
Speaker 1: law enforcement finds evidence, but that's not the way of
35:21
Speaker 1: the world. Witnesses find evidence all the time. It's just
35:24
Speaker 1: another hurdle to jump over when you're trying to introduce
35:28
Speaker 1: it at trial. So what do you make of all this? John?
35:31
Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, good morning, and I'm always good to be
35:33
Speaker 8: with you and your guests and everything like that. A
35:35
Speaker 8: couple of things breaking it down into two segments with
35:38
Speaker 8: the sheriff and the FBI. This is not totally uncommon.
35:42
Speaker 8: It shouldn't happen at all, but it does happen once
35:44
Speaker 8: in a while with management staff, egos and things like that,
35:48
Speaker 8: where they want to maintain control of the case. But
35:51
Speaker 8: the thing is is the scope of this case and
35:53
Speaker 8: the size of it and the things that are going
35:55
Speaker 8: on with it, it doesn't do anybody any good for
35:58
Speaker 8: just the Sheriff's office to hold on. The FBI can't
36:01
Speaker 8: really be brought in unless they're requested to come in
36:03
Speaker 8: on a domestic police cooperation, which they do frequently. I
36:06
Speaker 8: don't see any federal crime here, but the resources they
36:09
Speaker 8: have are ones that you certainly want to use to
36:12
Speaker 8: the best of your ability, without any accounting for who
36:16
Speaker 8: gets credit or anything like that. I don't know really
36:19
Speaker 8: too much about the sheriff haven't spent any time with them,
36:21
Speaker 8: but there could be some rivalry.
36:23
Speaker 7: There has been I've seen that in the past.
36:25
Speaker 8: Generally the detectives and the agents can get past it
36:27
Speaker 8: without any problem because they end up being a lot
36:29
Speaker 8: of good friendships between them. Now when it comes to
36:32
Speaker 8: the evidence that people are finding out there, one of
36:34
Speaker 8: the things that there's an issue with this is when
36:37
Speaker 8: it comes to three weeks since Nancy disappeared. Now you're
36:41
Speaker 8: finding evidence that might not have been on the ground
36:44
Speaker 8: two three weeks ago and might have been just discarded
36:47
Speaker 8: maybe a day ago or.
36:48
Speaker 7: Ten days ago.
36:49
Speaker 8: So it's hard to categorize whether or not evidence or
36:53
Speaker 8: you know, backpacks, gloves or anything like that that's found
36:55
Speaker 8: by people that have a good heart and they want
36:58
Speaker 8: to help hard to to necessarily lock that into the investigation,
37:02
Speaker 8: but you can't ignore it because if you ignore evidence
37:06
Speaker 8: like that, even if it's brought up by a neighbor
37:09
Speaker 8: or some passerby, and you blow it off as an investigator,
37:13
Speaker 8: there is where the reasonable doubt is created by the
37:16
Speaker 8: defense with their fairly small hurdle to get over when
37:20
Speaker 8: it comes to creating reasonable doubts. So when it comes
37:23
Speaker 8: to this stuff with that one person that made the
37:25
Speaker 8: nine to one one call, they have the deputies come
37:27
Speaker 8: out right away and collect that stuff. Good call on
37:29
Speaker 8: that part. Delay on these things, well, you know, I
37:32
Speaker 8: can understand it. They're overworked and understaffed, but you certainly
37:37
Speaker 8: don't want to leave that stuff laying around out there.
37:40
Speaker 1: I'm glad you defended them right there at the end
37:42
Speaker 1: when you said overworked and understaffed. I mean, there are
37:44
Speaker 1: a lot of agents federal agents and share us on this.
37:48
Speaker 1: But apparently Dave Matt correct me if I'm wrong. The
37:52
Speaker 1: last count was around fifty thousand tips, and now the
37:56
Speaker 1: people manning the tip line are saying, please do not
38:00
Speaker 1: call us with your opinion, your theories, your questions, and
38:04
Speaker 1: please not your psychic premonitions. Don't But they still have
38:14
Speaker 1: fifty thousand tips that we know of at the last count.
38:19
Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
38:19
Speaker 2: Dave mac Absolutely, you've got fifty thousand tips that are
38:23
Speaker 2: being called in, and a lot of them you've got
38:25
Speaker 2: to be worked. And as you said, you know they
38:27
Speaker 2: are saying, please, we don't want your opinion or your
38:29
Speaker 2: thoughts or whatever.
38:30
Speaker 3: We just need the tip.
38:32
Speaker 2: And so they're still they being law enforcement, still asking
38:35
Speaker 2: for legitimate tips. But with the volume, come on, fifty
38:38
Speaker 2: thousand tips, how are you going to get to that many.
38:41
Speaker 2: It's a needle in a haystack or a needle in
38:43
Speaker 2: a needlestack action.
38:44
Speaker 1: So I hear what John Bueller saying, We're already getting
38:49
Speaker 1: a lot of resistance online, like why didn't they show
38:51
Speaker 1: up immediately to get the bloody glove? You know what,
38:54
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling, a very strong belief that they're
38:57
Speaker 1: going as fast as they can bloody glove. It's been
39:01
Speaker 1: taken into evidence. A backpack found Dave mac brought up
39:06
Speaker 1: the fact that they were homeless living near a culvert.
39:09
Speaker 1: There is it from them, don't know, Dave Mack. How
39:12
Speaker 1: far away from the home was the bloody glove?
39:15
Speaker 3: About a mile mile and a half, not far.
39:19
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that we're still finding evidence on
39:23
Speaker 1: the side of the road after all this time. And
39:27
Speaker 1: it was disturbing, very disturbing as far as evidentiary wise,
39:32
Speaker 1: that a lot of the many of the sixteen gloves
39:35
Speaker 1: that were found belonged to searchers. Bueller, wouldn't you think
39:41
Speaker 1: they would tell the searchers, don't take off your clothing
39:44
Speaker 1: items and throw them on the ground. But they did,
39:48
Speaker 1: And now we've got that whole line of defense culture.
39:50
Speaker 1: We would have a field day with this. If a
39:53
Speaker 1: glove is found to have evidence on it, he could
39:57
Speaker 1: argue it was planted, just like all the other sixteen.
40:00
Speaker 1: It means nothing a field ach. Why would people take
40:04
Speaker 1: off their glove searching and throw them down on the ground.
40:07
Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, you know, hard to get into the mind
40:09
Speaker 8: of people that would do something like that. I know
40:11
Speaker 8: there's a lot of people out there that have good
40:12
Speaker 8: intentions and they have a good heart and everything like
40:14
Speaker 8: that and they want to help, and kudos to them,
40:17
Speaker 8: but there's also going to be that friend those people
40:19
Speaker 8: that you know, either want to get involved in this
40:21
Speaker 8: that don't have anything to do with it because it's
40:23
Speaker 8: the biggest thing going on, or the second reason is
40:26
Speaker 8: maybe they just want to screw with the investigators and
40:28
Speaker 8: screw with the case.
40:30
Speaker 7: The evil walks amongst us.
40:31
Speaker 8: We see it all the time, and it's in the
40:33
Speaker 8: news all the time, so you have that. The one
40:35
Speaker 8: thing that is really interesting to me is I was
40:39
Speaker 8: down there last week. You may know, and when you're
40:43
Speaker 8: at Nancy's house or any of the houses in that neighborhood,
40:46
Speaker 8: if you try to walk from your patio to the
40:48
Speaker 8: neighbor's patio by going across the yards, you're going to
40:50
Speaker 8: have a hard time doing it because there is cactus.
40:53
Speaker 7: More cactus I've ever seen in my life.
40:55
Speaker 8: Is you essentially have to go down your driveway to
40:58
Speaker 8: the road, walk to your neighbor's place, go up their driveway,
41:00
Speaker 8: and that so the thought of whoever these abductor or
41:03
Speaker 8: abductors are that if they took Nancy and they went
41:07
Speaker 8: out the backslider and then they went across to the
41:10
Speaker 8: next yard, over or something like that. I find that
41:12
Speaker 8: hard to believe for somebody who's probably got limited mobility,
41:15
Speaker 8: is not in good health to have to think that
41:18
Speaker 8: they're going to abduct her and walk her through that
41:20
Speaker 8: area at night without illumination, with everything wanting to stick
41:24
Speaker 8: into you when you walk through there.
41:26
Speaker 7: It's a big stretch for me.
41:29
Speaker 8: I think it's more likely they had a car nearby
41:31
Speaker 8: out of camera range, maybe out of camera view because
41:34
Speaker 8: a field of view wasn't wide enough, and they were
41:36
Speaker 8: able to put her in there and then get out
41:37
Speaker 8: of there. And that was one of the reasons that
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Speaker 8: I think. I'm certainly they got to be doing it,
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Speaker 8: because I'm not the only one to ever come up.
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Speaker 7: With this, but looking for.
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Speaker 8: Vehicles that come into the area that don't belong there,
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Speaker 8: as I think you guys should probably have talked before.
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Speaker 8: Most most cars new cars now, of course, are downloaded
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Speaker 8: through the little shark fit on the back to AT
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Speaker 8: and T and think AT and T as like ninety
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Speaker 8: percent of the downloads. Even if you don't enable it,
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Speaker 8: it's still there. And so if they could do a
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Speaker 8: search on that to see what cars belong in the neighborhood, Yeah,
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Speaker 8: you're going to get ones that come back registered to neighbors,
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Speaker 8: but foreign cars that don't belong there. Maybe a week
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Speaker 8: or two earlier, they're scout in the neighborhood, but certainly
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Speaker 8: on the day of the abduction, I'd be looking for that.
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Speaker 8: Those are things that just kind of random thoughts that
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Speaker 8: come out of my head. But as far as the
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Speaker 8: gloves and things like that, really difficult to link those
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Speaker 8: to our victim. Kind Of like when we were talking
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Speaker 8: here a while back about Lacey when things were found
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Speaker 8: with her when she came up on shore.
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Speaker 7: It's difficult to link to breathe that might not even
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Speaker 7: be connected to her as being involved in the crime.
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Speaker 7: And same thing with the breathe that's being found out,
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Speaker 7: how do you connect that. Now it's going to back
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Speaker 7: up the lab quite a bit if you got to
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Speaker 7: check for DNA in every discarded glove.
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Speaker 1: The search for Nancy Guthrie goes on. Yes, the searchers
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Speaker 1: are weary, Yes law enforcement is trying everything. But now
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Speaker 1: is not the time for weakness. Now is the time
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Speaker 1: to dig in. Will the FBI be able to piece
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Speaker 1: together the puzzle? Specifically, the clothing we now know comes
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Speaker 1: from different stores, Was it online, was it in person?
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Speaker 1: What kind of gun was used? Is there an accomplice?
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, please dial toll free eight hundred
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Speaker 1: two two five five three two four, or if you
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Speaker 1: wish to remain anonymous five two zero eight eight two
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Speaker 1: seven four sixty three. There is a two hundred and
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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars reward. We remember American Hero Trooper Michael Diego,
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Speaker 1: Florida Highway Patrol. Just twenty eight after serving four years,
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Speaker 1: he leaves behind a grieving fiancee. American Hero Trooper Michael Diego.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially to you from
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Speaker 1: being with us tonight and continuing in the faith, we
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Speaker 1: will find Nancy Guthrie. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,