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Episode 22, Season 1: Our Walks with God · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I am your co
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  Speaker 1: host Rena Butcher here with our lovely host, doctor Sarah Hensley. Hello. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: it's good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to see you too.
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  Speaker 1: Even though we work together every day, we don't really
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  Speaker 1: ever get to see you.
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  Speaker 2: It's so sad. Our lives are in very different places.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are. It won't always be that way, though,
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  Speaker 1: it won't. Before you know, all the kids will be
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  Speaker 1: out of the house and then.
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  Speaker 2: What then I'll be old and tired.
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  Speaker 1: Then we'll just want to sit at.
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  Speaker 2: Home, down at me MOS's place.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it will be the best. We'll just have
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  Speaker 1: to get like a big piece of land and just
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  Speaker 1: build our homes on it. Yeah, our little homes. And
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  Speaker 1: that way we can just walk in between each other's house.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a dream, wouldn't it. But anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: it's good to be here because we you know, missed
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  Speaker 1: a week and because of the storms.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and so many people have been in pacted so
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  Speaker 2: brutally from these hurricanes, and we are just praying so
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  Speaker 2: hard for you. We are personally donating as much as
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  Speaker 2: we can to help the relief efforts. Yes, and just
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  Speaker 2: know that no one has forgotten about you here.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, and then the one that just hit Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Thankfully it wasn't as bad as they thought it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Milton.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have a lot of family in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: and I have a family in western North Carolina. So
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  Speaker 1: I've just been really really thinking about all those people
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  Speaker 1: because I just couldn't you know, I just can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine it either.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know what happened to eastern Kentucky and
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  Speaker 2: those floods, and that was devastating and it was probably
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  Speaker 2: nowhere near the damage that Eastern Kentucky got.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I just I can't imagine like waking up in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and your house is filling
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  Speaker 1: with water, like the fear that that would instill any
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  Speaker 1: like what and you know, and then adrenaline kicks in
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  Speaker 1: and you're just grappling like you don't even know what
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  Speaker 1: to do, and and you know, I know there are
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  Speaker 1: certain ways that you can prepare for that, but that's
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  Speaker 1: not what this podcast is about. This podcast, but it's
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  Speaker 1: appropriate what we are going to talk about today, and
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  Speaker 1: this is episode twenty two. Nice Yeah, and today We're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about our personal walks with God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, we've gotten some negative reviews about how,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about religion or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't plan on talking about religion at all today.
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  Speaker 2: I plan on talking about Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Any religious spirits can get up on and out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Right, all right, you know, and I think we do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have to preface it with I can. We
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  Speaker 1: are accepting of everyone, everyone, everyone, all religions, all walks
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  Speaker 1: of life. This is just our personal experience, right, and
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  Speaker 1: this is our platform. We can do whatever we want.
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  Speaker 2: That's great. And here's the thing. If you have ever
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  Speaker 2: been curious of how someone can be so passionate in
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  Speaker 2: their faith to where their faith gets them through something
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  Speaker 2: that you feel like would break you, right, I remember
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  Speaker 2: several years ago there was a woman in our community
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  Speaker 2: and her son got cancer and it was very severe
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  Speaker 2: and it was they didn't find it until it was
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  Speaker 2: like in his bones, in his blood, it was everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and they gave him a very slim chance of survival.
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  Speaker 2: Like one minute, this kid's playing baseball. In the next
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  Speaker 2: minute like he can't walk, Like it just hit so fast,
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  Speaker 2: and I just she's you know, friends of friends, and
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  Speaker 2: so I was friends with her on social media and
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  Speaker 2: I saw every day she was posting just glory to God.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there like, how are you saying glory
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  Speaker 2: to God when your child is potentially getting ready to die?
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  Speaker 2: And I remember being like, I want that kind of faith.
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  Speaker 2: And for so many years I called myself a Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was a believer, I guess, but I
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  Speaker 2: really had no relationship with God. I did not know
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and I had a very skewed and flawed
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  Speaker 2: view of who God was because I never went after
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  Speaker 2: who is God for myself. I never went to scripture
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  Speaker 2: and never tried to understand scripture. I never went to
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  Speaker 2: biblical scholars to try to understand who God was. I honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think, in the deepest part of me, just couldn't
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  Speaker 2: really wrap my head around this idea that I could
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  Speaker 2: be good enough for God because I was such a
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  Speaker 2: flawed human right and there was in my mind all
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  Speaker 2: these rules, yes, and I didn't really want to have
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  Speaker 2: to change my life or do anything to fit within
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  Speaker 2: those rules.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that God was like punishing and shameful
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  Speaker 2: and judgmental and like, you know, if that's you, just know,
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  Speaker 2: we've been there. And if you're even the least bit
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  Speaker 2: curious about Jesus Christ and how people can be so
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  Speaker 2: passionate about Jesus and how he can absolutely transform your life,
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  Speaker 2: then you should listen. If you are like I want
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with this, let me just say I understand,
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  Speaker 2: and you are absolutely welcome to skip over this episode
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  Speaker 2: and come back to when we're back on psychology. Psychology
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  Speaker 2: and scripture is very parallel, which is why I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I love my discipline because so many things that
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  Speaker 2: psychologists quote came up with were like actually in the
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  Speaker 2: Bible along, and I just had so many false beliefs
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  Speaker 2: that prevented my relationship with the Lord. So we love
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  Speaker 2: you if you don't want to listen anymore, And that
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  Speaker 2: is okay for those of you that maybe are like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a believer, but I still have so much suffering
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  Speaker 2: in my life and I don't feel like God has
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  Speaker 2: shown up for me, and why is that? Well, we're
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  Speaker 2: here today to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe this will intrigue you a little.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be hard not to talk for like, ever,
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be hard. This one's going to be really
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  Speaker 1: hard one. Not to try to narrow it down a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. But I think the way we start is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think we just start where it really began,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for you. I mean, you can go back to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the way you were raised, and then kind
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  Speaker 1: of how that evolved, and then really the point to
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  Speaker 1: where things really changed because I could. I know my story,
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  Speaker 1: but I want you to tell yours first.
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  Speaker 2: So I grew up in a very old school Catholic
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  Speaker 2: environment Catholic church, and my mom still to this day,
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  Speaker 2: very devout Catholic, and she loves it and it helps
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  Speaker 2: her so much, and she's you know, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that it's fine for her. I mean, she gets so
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  Speaker 2: much out of it. But in the church that I
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  Speaker 2: was raised in, they didn't do a lot to engage
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  Speaker 2: the youth. They didn't have like, you know, kids church.
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  Speaker 2: It was like you sat in the big church, right
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  Speaker 2: and you didn't understand it all what was going on,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just like torture. You stood, you stood up,
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  Speaker 2: you sat down, you still sat down. And then I
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  Speaker 2: was too young to really understand like the homily or
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  Speaker 2: like what was really being said or why we were
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  Speaker 2: doing what we were doing, or what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, so I just when I had
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  Speaker 2: my own say i'd stopped going to church right when
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  Speaker 2: I grew up, and when I got into college, it
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  Speaker 2: was like no more, like I don't need this, Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't get anything from it. I don't want anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with it, you know. I still, I think,
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  Speaker 2: was afraid of Hell enough in my mind that it
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  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, yeah, you gotta believe in Jesus. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a difference between believing that Jesus was God
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  Speaker 2: and like putting all your faith in Jesus. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a huge, huge and that's what I never had.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what well, it's what I said. Was it
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  Speaker 1: yesterday of the day before? And I was like even
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  Speaker 1: in the Bible it says don't show up lukewarm, and
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  Speaker 1: Jesus literally says that he doesn't want you to show
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  Speaker 1: up blue worm.
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  Speaker 2: No, And I was I was cool. I wasn't even warm.
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  Speaker 1: I was I've gone through periods in my life when
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  Speaker 1: I've been cold, lukewarm, or on fire, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the goal is to always be on fire.
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  Speaker 2: It is it is, and it's not easy. No, it's
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  Speaker 2: so hard, and I feel love. We all do. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the beautiful thing. This is what I think I'll
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  Speaker 2: start out with every single day. And I have a
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  Speaker 2: client who's really going through something really hard, and he's
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  Speaker 2: a very strong Christian and he sought me out for
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  Speaker 2: the faith based perspective every and I told him this yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Every single moment of our lives, because of Jesus's death
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  Speaker 2: on the cross, we get a chance to turn away
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  Speaker 2: from whatever our sin is or our suffering is, or
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  Speaker 2: if we've let ourselves down the wrong path, turn to
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  Speaker 2: God repent, which means to turn away from and be
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  Speaker 2: washed clean. Like the Bible even says that God doesn't
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  Speaker 2: even remember our sin after we repent. And so if
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  Speaker 2: you're coming to the table with shame, which is the
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  Speaker 2: most dysregulating, destructive emotion that humans can experience, Christ was
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  Speaker 2: actually sent here to relieve you of shame and to
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  Speaker 2: give you the gift of forgiveness.
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  Speaker 1: And I wish people would see it that way instead
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  Speaker 1: of seeing like you know, like you mentioned where it's
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  Speaker 1: you almost feel like you have this punishing God. And
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  Speaker 1: I was so lucky, you know, so I'm a Baptist
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  Speaker 1: preacher's daughter. So I grew up in the church. I
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  Speaker 1: lived in the church like, my life was church like.
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  Speaker 1: We were in the church more than we weren't in
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  Speaker 1: the church. And you know, I have lots of memories
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  Speaker 1: of some bad things, you know, when it came to
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  Speaker 1: people who weren't always accepting of my dad and and
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  Speaker 1: things that he would do. Because if I could say
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  Speaker 1: anything about my dad and the way that he preached
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  Speaker 1: and the way that he lived his life was that
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't your typical Southern Baptist preacher. Right where he was.
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  Speaker 1: There were all these rules and he was always so
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  Speaker 1: strict or if it had to be this way and
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  Speaker 1: there was no other way. My dad always saw things,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with lots of gray areas, and he was
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  Speaker 1: always very accepting. If I could say anything, he was
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  Speaker 1: very christ Like because you know, one thing I feel
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  Speaker 1: like he really instilled in us from a young age was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your relationship with Jesus Christ is really really intimate,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not so fortant anyone to be to tell
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  Speaker 1: you what to do with right.
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  Speaker 2: That's for you and Jesus to figure out that's right,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the beauty of the intimate relationship with Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: And there are probably some people listening that have been very,
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  Speaker 2: very hurt by religious people. And what I will say,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I have is that was not God. That
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  Speaker 2: was a religious spirit from Satan himself working through that
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  Speaker 2: person to hurt you in the name of the Lord,
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  Speaker 2: to make you never want to get close to God again.
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  Speaker 2: Because if the enemy can destroy your relationship with God,
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  Speaker 2: then he's one and he will do anything and everything
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  Speaker 2: to destroy anyone's relationship with Jesus Christ. And so I
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  Speaker 2: am so sorry if that has happened to you and there,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I'll pray over this podcast in Jesus' name.
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  Speaker 2: I just pray that there is no spirit of religiosity here,
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  Speaker 2: there is no judgment, there is no condemnation that will
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  Speaker 2: come from either of us. That people will feel accepted,
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  Speaker 2: they will feel educated, they will feel loved, and that
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  Speaker 2: I just pray that the Holy Spirit infiltrates this and
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  Speaker 2: will just touch the lives of people in the way
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  Speaker 2: that God touched my life. Because God transformed my life.
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  Speaker 1: He still continues to transform.
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  Speaker 2: On yeah every day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I cannot make it through I
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  Speaker 1: cannot make it through a church service without crying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. And I just think that's the Holy Spirit
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  Speaker 1: right for me.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: It gets me emotional even thinking about it. And just
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  Speaker 1: when I think I'm gonna make it through the service,
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  Speaker 1: then they start baptizing people and lose it again, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, because I just I just know
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  Speaker 1: that feeling of redemption and I know what it feels
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  Speaker 1: like when people make that choice, and it's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's tears of joy.
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  Speaker 2: It is, for sure, and just the immense gratitude, Like
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  Speaker 2: so often during the day, it's just like, oh God,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for my life, thank you for today, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for the breath of my lungs, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: my beautiful, healthy children. And listen, the antidote for almost
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  Speaker 2: all suffering is gratitude. And there's nothing that the Lord
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  Speaker 2: loves more than gratitude because all of our abundance and
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  Speaker 2: all of our blessings come from Him. Whether you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's people out there that are like, do I believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not? You know, and I get that there's
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  Speaker 2: hesitancy there, but I promise you, and here's the really
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  Speaker 2: interesting thing. And I'm afraid that we won't ever get
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  Speaker 2: to it. So I'm going to say it right up front.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most interesting things that I learned in
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  Speaker 2: my journey was I was always stuck on why do
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  Speaker 2: bad things happened? To quote good people right, And to
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  Speaker 2: me that meant that God really wasn't who I thought
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  Speaker 2: or who people said he was, because then why would
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  Speaker 2: there be able to suffering? And what I learned from
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  Speaker 2: biblical scholars and just on my journey and just things
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  Speaker 2: that God has spoken into me and showed me scripture
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  Speaker 2: for is the fact that there are laws of the
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  Speaker 2: universe that God created. One of them is the laws
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  Speaker 2: of opposites, So there's always there's an opposite for everything.
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  Speaker 2: There's good, there's evil, there's happy, they're sad, there's light,
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  Speaker 2: there's dark, right, and then the other is the gift
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  Speaker 2: of unwavering free will. And God, absolutely one percent will
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  Speaker 2: not mess with our free will. It's not like we
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  Speaker 2: have a little free will. It's not like God intervened
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  Speaker 2: sometimes and puts us on the right path. No, we
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  Speaker 2: have complete and total free will. And so that's where
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  Speaker 2: things get tricky. So this is what I learned, and
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  Speaker 2: this is what changed my life ultimately, and There's so
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  Speaker 2: much I could say, but I'm gonna start with this,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna warn you if you're a baby Christian,
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  Speaker 2: you might get freaked out. Maybe you'll cancel me, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you'll never want to hear from me again. But it's
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  Speaker 2: worth the risk. It is because I know in my
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  Speaker 2: deep depths of my soul that this is all true.
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  Speaker 2: God speaks to us all the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 2: You have to think about God as a father. He
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  Speaker 2: is a parent. He is our ultimate parent. You know
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  Speaker 2: how much you love your kids, You have no concept
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  Speaker 2: of how much God loves you as his child. Right,
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  Speaker 2: every single person on this earth is a child of God,
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  Speaker 2: and He loves all of them equally and fiercely. And
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  Speaker 2: so he speaks to us, to our spirit, where does
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  Speaker 2: it manifest our thoughts? But guess who's the opposite Satan himself.
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  Speaker 2: He's alive, he's well. He is the ruler of the earth.
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  Speaker 2: So God is the ruler of the heavens, but Satan
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  Speaker 2: is the ruler of the earth. Satan can speak to
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  Speaker 2: our spirit. Guess where it manifests our own thoughts. So
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  Speaker 2: every moment of every day is a chance to align
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  Speaker 2: with God. And what he's trying to speak in to
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  Speaker 2: us or to turn away from God, to turn away
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  Speaker 2: and to turn over here and align with the enemy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you have to understand that God. There is scripture where
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  Speaker 2: God is. I mean, it's all over the Bible. God
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  Speaker 2: is always trying to bless you. He is always trying
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  Speaker 2: to take your suffering and work behind the scenes for
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  Speaker 2: your good. He can't prevent the suffering because we bring
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  Speaker 2: our suffering on ourselves. Because every bad thing that happens
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  Speaker 2: to a good person is because someone either that person
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  Speaker 2: or someone else participated with the enemy. And there's a
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  Speaker 2: giant ripple effective for that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because that's a people I know. People ask, then
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  Speaker 1: why do children get cancer?
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  Speaker 2: Well I can answer that question. I don't know for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer for God, I believe lean
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  Speaker 2: not on your own understanding, but I'm going to give
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  Speaker 2: you my very human explanation for that right. We have
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  Speaker 2: free will in this world. We've done a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things with that free will. We've created a very toxic
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  Speaker 2: environment with tons of chemicals and poisons that were never
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  Speaker 2: designed to be put into our bodies. That's going to
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  Speaker 2: screw with ourselves, that's going to screw with our DNA.
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  Speaker 2: That is a human man weight made free will problem, right,
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  Speaker 2: and are some people going to be more susceptible to that? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: because we're all different and we're all unique, that's right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Things that we participate in psychologically change our physiology. There's
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of research studies. As somebody who also
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  Speaker 2: has a concentration in health psychology, very aware of how
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  Speaker 2: our psychological states influence like our immune system. I've written
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  Speaker 2: papers on that, published papers on that. In shame my dissertation,
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  Speaker 2: I sat on it for seven years, published it in
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. It's in the Journal of Behavioral Medicine. It's
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  Speaker 2: on shame and guilt associated with women who are diagnosed
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  Speaker 2: with HPV. So having shame and guilt as a result
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  Speaker 2: of being diagnosed with HPV and how that affects your
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  Speaker 2: intimate relationships and then the shame affecting the body. So
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  Speaker 2: it was like this double whammy, right, It affects you psychologically,
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  Speaker 2: it affects you and your personal intimate relationship, and then
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  Speaker 2: it affected you know, affects your body. Obviously it's a virus,
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  Speaker 2: and so there are studies that show that certain psychological
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  Speaker 2: states like shame skews the immune system in favor of cancer. Bitterness,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: prolonged bitterness skews the immune system and favor of cancer.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: So we're just disease in general.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Right, We're just all sorts of types of diseases. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a good person that maybe has some bitterness over an
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: X or a divorce or a family member or something,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: and that bitterness emotions are energy in the first place.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: That suppressed emotions steal from the immune system. Right, So
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: we can tie this all together, which.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Can trans we'll not translate, but can move into a
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: woman's womb. Right, Yeah, you know, I mean again, we're
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: not God. We're not you know, we're not saying it
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: like that's the but I do believe that, right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And then epigenetic changes of DNA over time, Right, trauma
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: changes our DNA, which will change the DNA of your children,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: right that you have yet to have. Right, And so
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about generational trauma, generational traumas actually
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: in our DNA. Where does trauma come from? It comes
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: from Satan and all of the works that he does
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: in people. We are just the vessels for God or
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: for Satan. Any moment of every given day. And so
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the ministry that changed my life was called
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: be in Health and they actually collected their own data
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and published their research about the spiritual roots of disease.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And there's a book called The More a More Excellent
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Way by Henry Wright, doctor Henry Wright, that again, all
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: of this changed my life. Right. So God warns against
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: bitterness in the Bible like all the time. So if
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you are in prolonged bitterness, that's changing your physiology, right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: And so why do bad things happen to good people?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Because good people still sin and other people sin in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: ways that ripple back to you, that's right, right. And
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: so I think almost every malady or calamity or suffering
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: can be traced back to the work of the enemy,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: either in yourself or someone else, maybe even generations before you.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so important to collectively come together
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and to follow Jesus, right. I mean, that's what the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: whole church is about, right, It's about coming together collectively
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: so that we as.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: One follow Christ. Right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And it's for that reason right there that you just described, right.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And so what ended up happening to me was that
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you know, all of my attachments I talk about this
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a lot. All my attachments were ripped away from me.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: At one time. It was COVID start of COVID, like
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: when everybody was freaked out, can't go out of your
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: house COVID right, the father of my children dies of
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a drug and alcohol overdose, my mom is diagnosed with
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: pancreatic cancer, my dog dies, and this is all in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like a period of six weeks.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like bam, bam, bam.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yep, like you can't leave your house, kid's dad dead,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: mom has cancer and she's dying, and your dog dies
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and you'd just been through a brutal divorce, brutal divorce
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and custody battle that interrupted me.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you broke too.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I was broke, broke, broke, and then I came down
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: with I woke up one day, just woke up out
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of bed one day and couldn't see, couldn't see. Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And I stepped out of bed and it was like
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I was on a boat, and I was like, what
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is going on with me? And it wasn't vertigo. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: just my vision was blurry and my neck hurt and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I couldn't see. And I went to a million doctors
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: over the course of a couple months, could not get
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a diagnosis. Nobody knew what was wrong with me. Finally
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: went to a specialist. They said, yeah, yeah, you have
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: best simular migraine. And oh, by the way, this is
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: a very rare form of migraine, and people usually get
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: them all the time, like every day, and some people
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: have it every day for the rest of their life,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and we don't know what causes it, and we don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: have a care.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You're like, wait, I can't live like this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like, my life is over all right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It just added to your anxiety. I know I did.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I could not barely function. Just walking across
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the room was a task of epic proportions. And I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: had two little grieving kids, and I was now the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: caregiver for my mother because my dad can't walk. He's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: in a wheelchair and had dementia. Your brother lived out of town,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: brother lived way out of state, across the country. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I broke. I broke, and I know you remember it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I broke. I said I want to kill myself, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I can't because I have these kids.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Tell me that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, I want to die, and I knew
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I wasn't actively suicidal, like I knew I would never
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: go through with it, but I wanted to die. I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was wishing like I was wishing I could have a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: spontaneous death, you know where. It wasn't my fault, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: at my kids kept me alive at that point. And
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I remember I posted in a mom's group of just
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: like how what a mess I was? And did anybody
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: have any resources for me? Right? And there was a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: chance encounter with beautiful Ashley Edenstrom, who I love to death. Ashley,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I hope you don't mention mind me mentioning your name,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and she said, I don't know if this is something
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you want to hear. She never met this girl in
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: my life, but I got something to tell you, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: she gave me the dirt on being health ministries. We
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: started marco poloing every day back and forth, and she
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: really held my hand and led me to the Lord
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and she said, all I want you to do, this
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is all I want you to do, is make it
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: your mission in the next couple of months to seek
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the character of God. And if you're like life isn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: dramatically different in a couple of months, let me know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And boy, oh boy, when I got on my knees,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and I in that moment, I said, God, I was
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: cursing you a week ago, and I'm sorry for that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: But if you are real, let me know, show me
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that you're real, do something, because I am absolutely desperate here.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I have no one. I have nobody, I have nothing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I can barely work, I can barely function. I'm going
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to lose my job. I can barely take care of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: my kids I have. You know, I'm devastated. There's just
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: no other word to describe it, but just devastated.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Alone and alone, so alone, and.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Little by little every day I was saying glory to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you God. I was praying, I was reading scripture, I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: had sermons on twenty four to seven. I was just
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: immersed in it because it was the only thing that
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I thought would keep me from killing myself, right, or
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like getting to the point where maybe the suicidal thoughts
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: would actually turn into real plans, right, And that was
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a scary place to be. And then little by little,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: my spirit changed, and my attitude changed, my outlook changed,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and my anxiety went away. And I had before even
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: all of this happened, I had crippling anxiety. Yeah, crippling anxiety.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Specifically related to my health. I mean every bruise I got,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it was, oh my gosh, I have cancers, right, Like
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that's how, that's how.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And you're really crunchy and like Granola, And like I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: remember when I first met you, you were a very like
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: crunchy granola mom.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Toxins are allowed in my life, right,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like none because they call it they make you sick. Yeah, right,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: because that's what I had, all of these physical aments
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that were all from trauma and anxiety, from relational trauma,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: from my abusive relationship and my childhood attachment traumas, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: like that manifests a lot of physical symptoms. Like so
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: many people are running around here going from doctor to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: doctor to doctor to doctor, thinking they're dying all the time,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and really it's been their attachment traumas.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: We're spending all this money and not that this stuff
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: isn't important to like, you know, takes as many toxins
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out of your life as you can, but it's like
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it has to be in this moderation type mentality because
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. If we feel like, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: if you focus so much on that, it almost does
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: more damage.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Just more anxiety.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like I got to get these toxins out
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of my life.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes a pathology, and then your symptoms get
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: worse because what's causing your symptoms in the freaking first place,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: All your gut symptoms, all your skin is symptoms, all
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: your migraines. Migraines are a disease of an overtext nervous system.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They are. If you don't believe me, go download Alan
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Gordon's Tell Me About Your Pain podcast. Yeah, go listen
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to Nicole Sachs and her research. We have all the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: scientific evidence in the world, and I'm talking to you
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: neurologists that don't have any of this information and are
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: putting people on drug after drug after drug for migraines.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: When it is a psychological disorder because the nervous system
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: has been in fight or flight for so long, it
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: starts screwing with the dilation of the vessels in the brain.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It's a spiritual disorder.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It is a spiritual disorder. There you go, We'll take
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it one level deeper. It's spiritual because listen, let's get
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: into deliverance. Because and deliverance is something that I had
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: never ever been exposed to and I'm not gonna lia.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: When I first heard about it, I was like, you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: gotta be kidnapped, right, Okay, this is getting a little
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: out there until I went to the be In Health
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: for my life conference and when those gifted people, those
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: angels from heaven laid their hands on me, and this
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: is where people are going to lose me. I know it,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry. It's true, Raina. I told Reina right
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: after it happened, and we can call Ashley right now.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I'll get her on the phone. We're calling her in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I'll try if I found my phone, I'll try. They
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: laid their hands on me, and they cast out that
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: spirit of rejection and that spirit of fear, which marked
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: my two biggest spiritual principalities, my two biggest attachment wounds,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you know, rejection and betrayal were tad really closely together,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and they laid their hands on me, and they said,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: in the name of Jesus, you must go because it
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: was demonic oppression, not possession. I wasn't a demon, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the demonic was oppressing me with a spirit of rejection, fear, betrayal,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and my vision cleared immediately after.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Listen, I mean people, I mean they can believe you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: or not. But I am proof that this actually happened
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: when you came home from being health because I remember,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I remember when you came. I remember when you went
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and you were on like a sabbatical of like even
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: your friendships at that time. Yeah, and I kind of
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: pushed you to have the sabbatical because I was becoming
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed with.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Because you were my only lifeline.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. It was a lot. And I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: don't think I was the vessel as much as Ashley was,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: but I do recall you know, saying things like when
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you got nothing left, You've you've got your faith, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you're you're going to have to go into this face.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't, that's what you got to rely on.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But I can attest to the fact that when you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: came back from being health, you were a different person.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You were a new person. Yeah, I was a new person.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And then that got me stabilized enough to even do
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the the rest of the psychological work right that I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: needed to do. Yep, because I could see again. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: remember driving from the church. This was like like an
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: eighth of amount to where you stay when you're at
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: be in health, And I got into my car and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I could read it was a John Mayer song that
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was playing. I could read his name on my car
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: screen because, believe it or not, I could still drive
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because it was better when I drove. And there's some
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: phenomenon there where it's like because your eyes and body
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: movement are lining up and affect your vestibular system. It
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was like calming to my vestibular system to drive. For
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: some reason, I had to be driving. I couldn't be
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in the past. Yeah, but my vision on screens was
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: still a no go. Like I could barely read my phone,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I could barely read like the screen on my car.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And when I could read his name, I just burst
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: into tears. And that was the moment I was like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: there's no going back from this level of belief, right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Like this was an actual miracle that occurred inside of me.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And you hear about those miracles all the time and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: they're like, eh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but would never happen to me. I mean, maybe
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that's not true. Like I never would have believed in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: if anybody would have told me that. I don't, like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Ye're all right.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: But you're living proof and I'm a witness to it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And it's been a beautiful thing to watch because I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: mean it just transformed. It transformed our friendship too. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, after that, it just we we
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: were able to get so much closer and our friendship
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: evolved to be well friendship. You know where I wasn't
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, where I didn't feel like you had to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: my lifeline. Yeah, where I didn't feel like I had
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to be your counselor you know. I was like, I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. I don't even have my shit together.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Were talking about I know. It was just like you know, yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and now you know. And then that's when when I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: got stabilized enough because the migraine was like eighty percent better.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: It got just that trip to be in health got
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: me eighty percent better if with the migraine, so then
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I could read again.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So then I went into the science and I'm like, Okay,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I know, like this is very spiritual, but what does
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the psychological science have to say about this? Because I'm
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a psychologist and I'm a science and I'm not a scientist.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna step away from that, right. I just
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: felt like it was parallel, like science calls it to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: sub conscious mind. I think it's really the spirit. Right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: we call it an attachment wound. I think it's a demon. Yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that's why we say people have demons, right. There's a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: reason that that evolved where people are like they got
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: their demons. They're real demons. They are real spirits of fear, rejection, bitterness, unlovingness, envy, jealousy.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Take any psychological wound and there is a demonic force
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: behind that. Somebody worked with the devil unknowingly to create
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that wound in you. The devil knows he put it there,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and then he exploits it because he studies you and
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he knows you right. And so that's why in my
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: work and in my courses and whatever, I give modules
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: for the spiritual side of things, and I tell people,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: if it isn't your jams, get right over those. We
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: have the parallel psychological perspective that accomplishes the same things.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I asked me about that the other day. Yes, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: they were really open to it, and I really appreciate it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean, I love my christ clients. I'm
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: not gonna lie to you. They get better twenty times
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: faster because when we do metacognitive work and I'm like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you have to hold your thoughts up to the truth.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: What's the truth? What is your truth? What is the truth? Well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: God's truth never changes, so there's a black and white
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: line in the sand to hold your thoughts up too.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And God's truth is love God above everything else. Love
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: your neighbor as yourself, which implies you have to love yourself.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And psychologically we know if you don't love yourself, can't
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: love others. So love God, love others, love yourself in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that order, right, your last, God's first, everybody else then
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and then your last. And if my thoughts are not
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: in line with that, it ain't from God. And yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: not today, Satan in Jesus' name. And Jesus he gave
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: us the authority to cast out the devil. He gave
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: us that authority, and he must stand down in Jesus name.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: So deliverance is this idea from Ephesian six twelve and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: many other verses in the Bible, that we live in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: a spirit filled world, that it is just a battle.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: This life is just a battle between good and evil,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and it takes place to us. We're the vessels, right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and we can align with either side at any given
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: moment of every given day. Both sides are speaking to us,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and we can turn willing to listen. Right, And so,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: if God is trying to bless you, and in God's
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: way always leads to the least amount of suffering, doesn't
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: mean that you won't suffer, because again, other people can
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: participate with the enemy in ways that ripple back to you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So we're not guaranteed ever a life without suffering. But
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: God's path is the past of least suffering, for sure.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But what happens when Okay, so God's over here and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: he's like, Hey, I'm trying to talk to you. I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: want you to go on this path. I want you
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to get rid of this person in your life. I
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: want you to, you know, go this direction. I want
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you to do this thing. But you can't hear it
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: because you're over here listening to the devil who's telling
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you that person's really hot, you're really great. You've spent
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: so much time with them. You can't give them up,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you know that, Like, what would you do without them?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You can't go to that school that's not you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you couldn't afford to go there. You can't do that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You're listening to the lies of the enemy. So guess what.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: The blessings are over here trying to get to you,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and you are blocking. You are just stuck over here
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: blessings because you're turned towards the enemy, listening to that voice.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And so when you get to know Jesus Christ and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you know the teachings of Christ, it is all love.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, it is.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent love.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And his voice is strong.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: His voice is power shows up a lot, it does
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a lot, and it's the voices in your conscience of
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: what you know is right. That's right, you know. But
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: we often are like now, I think I'll take care
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of it. I'm gonna do it my way.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And we make self our god.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a big one.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we make self our God. And I had to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: tear down a lot of idols in my life, idols
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that creep up. And I still tried. I still know
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that I struggle with. I am still a sinner.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't have it all figured out.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: We all will be until.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, beauty men, money, Oh my gosh. There
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: can be a lot of idols, fake false gods in
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: your life that you have to tear down because then
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you're breaking the first commandment. That's shot, no other gods
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: before me. So anyway, so you go, you go, Okay,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: because I've spent forty four minutes talking about my story, Well.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: It'll make mine a little bit shorter, because mine's really different,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you know, in to some degree. You know, I didn't
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: have this sort of catastrophic life event kind of happened
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: where everything changed for me. You know, my relationship with
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: God and Jesus is still ever evolving absolutely, and you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: like I said in the very beginning, you know, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: still struggle and I still you know, some days I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: don't and I don't know exactly the answer to why.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: But like some days I still feel that like feeling
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: of well, if I'm too on fire, it's going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: turn people away.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I still here.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I still care what people think, you know, and I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: struggle with that in multiple facets of my life.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It's come up lately and we get these reviews on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: our podcast that this is a bunch of God mumbo jumbo.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: They mentioned God too much, and like it hurts because
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, okay, but who am I to serve
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you or the Lord?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That's right, I'm just served the Lord, that's right.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: We are called to speak to the nations.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, and when I really sit back and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I again, I really start to listen to God's voice.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he says. And those people who it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: not for, then no judgment to you, just go on,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you know, then bye bye.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Judgment's a big issue too, And it's a big issue
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: why people don't come to God because they think Christians
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: are just judgmental and they're not accepting and you know
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: this and that, Yeah, a lot of them are.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But that ain't God, and that has not God's that's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the human and I mean that's the you know, that's satan.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is not to say that God doesn't have
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: to say about our essay about our behavior. He says
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a lot about what he should be doing. Yeah, but
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: what some Christians do, which is evil and from the enemy,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and it's a spirit of religiosity, is oh, you you're
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: doing that thing with your life. You're living your life
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in that way. Well, you're a big sinner and you're
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: just you're you don't know God and you're not going
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to go to heaven. What about the log in your eye?
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: That's why God. When God spoke to me, he said,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you are you better not judge a single human soul.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: That's for me to do. I am the judgment, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: am the jury. You follow my word. You stand before me,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and nobody else stands in your place.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And a sin is a sin, is a sin is
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a sin, is a sin is a sin. That's right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, I had a similar experience in terms
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of somebody that came into my life at at a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: really low time in my life when I was going
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: through a custody battle, and I would say, like, that's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: really when things really started to shift for me. Darla heflin, Hey, Darla,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: she was my Ashley. Like she came into my life
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: when I was really really low, and you know, she
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: basically did the same thing that Ashley did for you.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: She took me hand, she took me to church, she
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: walked me through, she told me. She taught me what
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: deliverance was. And I mean at first I was freaked out.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was freaked south. It's weird. Yeah, oh you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: have demon spirits inside of you and they can be
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: cast out in Jesus' name, what right?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And like I went to her church and like people were,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like the Holy Spirit was really active, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you know, you see some of that stuff and you're like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: what is going.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: On, especially if you've been to like like what I
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: call a baby Christian.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Church right right and listen to each their own to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: each other, if you know, if that's something that's like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I still feel like I can walk into Southland every
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Sunday and feel the Holy Spirit and people don't have
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: to people don't have to be shaken, and like, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you know none of that, and I still just the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: teachings alone are are really profound and impactful. But I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: think I have one specific experience that I want to share,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: which was in the midst of my custody battle with
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: my son's dad. You know, I lived in Harlan, Kentucky
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the time, which.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Is we're saying about Harlem.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never you never leave alive. But guess what,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you've never made it out. I've made it out.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: A reason they say you don't make it out of
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Harlan alive. There's a lot of reason.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's a very different culture even and it's only
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: two and a half hours from where we are, so
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's out there in the middle of nowhere,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: even though it is but it's just a totally different culture.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And there's my son's dad's families, families, families, family is
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: from there, and so there were deep roots there. So
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: when the judges and the jury, yeah, it was like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: going up against city hall. Okay, to put it long
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: story short, when this custody battle ensued, it was like
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: little bitty you know, twenty nine year old Raina with
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: this precious little boy and city hall and all of
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Harlan County and it was I mean talk about deal.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wanted to see you destroyed.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, And there were some things that were just you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, his family, all the DNA on me, which
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: is a dependent neglect and abuse case, claiming that I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: put the physical and emotional well being of my child
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: in danger. And let's I just want to be really
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: really clear, because any person that that was filed against
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: would sit here and say, well, that's not true. It
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't true.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: It's often not true.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: It was not true. There was no truth about it. Now.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I was dealing with heartbreak, yes, and you know it
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: goes without saying, you know, my son's dad broke my
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: heart multiple times, but with this specific situation, I was
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: dealing with severe heartbreak where it was really hard for
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: me to function, and I was losing a lot of
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: weight and I wasn't able to eat, and so it
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: was it was hard to kind of live up to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: my mother and duties. But by no means was I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: ever putting the physical or emotional wellbeing of my child.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And he was safe, he was, yes, yes, absolutely, but nonetheless,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: you know, they filed this dependent neglect and abuse case
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: on me, which you know, without getting into all the details,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: just catapulted.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: This which is evil to Yeah, it was. It was
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: very evil, false allegations in family court. Aret evil, evil, demonic.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: If I could say anything, it was the lowest I've
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: ever been in my life. And you know, my parents
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: divorced when I was seventeen, and that was that was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a really painful time of my life too. But nothing
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: equates to someone ripping your child away, and he was
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: three years old at the time. Yeah, And you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a series of events happened where it was just backwards,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: crooked shit after crooked shit that would happen to where
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I was on the losing end. I was on the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: losing end. I was on the losing end no matter
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: what I tried, to do, I would lose, and I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: would lose, and I would lose, and here I was
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: with no rights to my child. And if you know
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: anything about the family court system, what's supposed to happen
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: when a DNA is filed is that within forty eight hours,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: social Services called in, they do their assessment, They actually
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: see if there's truth to it, and it's either continued
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: or it's thrown out. Well, because of all the crookedness
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and all the ins and outs that they sort of knew,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this went on for two weeks. Now, two weeks without
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: your child is a lifetime, okay, So you want to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: talk about low, I was low and I was broke, okay,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: because I'd quit my job because I was trying to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: get the hell out of Dodge. Like my idea was like,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: let me just take my kid, We'll work out the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: custody and I'm going to move back to Lexington where
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: my support system is. And they were like, no, no, no, no,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that ain't happening. So that's when they followed the DNA
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: on me. So it really, I mean, that really shows
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that it was like it was their last resort to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: get me to stay put. And so there was this
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: day that I was all alone because I couldn't leave
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Harlan with my child. So there I was jobless, broke.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I had a whopping like one fourteen.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And you were like five nine.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm tall, like I have an athletic build, like
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: on a like my my good weight is like one fifty, right,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: so one fourteen for.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Me, like you would have been an absolute skeleton.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I was nothing.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I was skin and bones. I was doing nothing but
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee all day every day. Like
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I was on the coffee cigarette diet. And it was
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: not healthy.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But I been on that diet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was healthy. It was. It was bad.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: But I lived in this town home on the side
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of the mountain where it had a balcony on my
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: bedroom and you could walk out into the balcony and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: sit on my on my roof and it was a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: beautiful fall day, just like it is today in like
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: sink Tan, Kentucky. And I was sitting there, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and I was balling, balling, crying and praying and just
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: asking God, you know, please God, similar to your situation,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: if you are real, please just show me, just do
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: something for me and I still get goosebumps when I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: tell the story, and I still get emotional, because again,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you don't know until you know.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You don't know until it happens to you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: You just don't. And I and I swear I know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I know I've told it before, but I could. I
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: felt the arms of God around me. I felt an
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: actual embrace. And when I I know that it sounds
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: out there, right, it sounds out there, I know, but
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it aren't.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: There are gonna be people that aren't gonna believe this.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It's okay, yeah, but it don't.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: It's real, it's real. And now I can't say that
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: after that moment everything turned around for me and things,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you know, just you know, immediately got better. Right. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: don't think that that's how these things work, but I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: will say that my faith changed that day, and you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and then that's how Jesus works in our lives, right
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and that and and I want to give people hope
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: when I say that, because I think as humans we
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: want this instant gratification, even when it comes to Jesus
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and the Holy Spirit coming into our lives.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Use it as a lever that we pull, like, oh
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I need God now pull forever, get outcome. Now it
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't work like.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: That, and it doesn't. But I will say this is
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that Jesus started working in my life that day in
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: ways that I could not understand, and that I'm still
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: in all over today and every day that he continues
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to work in my life. And you know, when I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: look at where I am today and what I've been
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: able to accomplish from that moment, which was roughly fifteen
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: years ago. My son is almost eighteen, I could never
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: imagine in a million years that I would be here
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: because I really thought at one time I was either
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: going to end up addicted to drugs, which I never was.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Bit I never did drug but I thought, like, that's
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: how low I was. Like, I thought that that was
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: going to kind of be like the stereotypical direction that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I went. I thought, I'll be on welfare for the
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: rest of my life. I mean seriously, we were living
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: on Raymond noodles and a prayer back then. And when
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I think now that I have a beautiful husband, a happy.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Marriage, Your kid turned out great.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: My child is so well adjusted for the most part.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You know, he's he has such a good kind heart,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's still not total resolution in the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: relationship with you know, my son's dad and his family,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: but there's been forgiveness there, and that's only through God.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I could not have found the forgiveness in my heart
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: without Jesus.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I had so much betterness. Oh yeah, for sure, I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: had so much betterness. I still a husband against his
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: wife that he married six weeks before he died. You know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: he changed all the life insurance over to her. You
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: can imagine how that turned out. And I was so bitter.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I was so angry. I was so mad at him
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: for dying and for leaving me, you know, to raise
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: our children, and that would never be the same. So
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I went from just like you, the pit of hell, sick, broke, desperate, alone,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: almost unemployed because I couldn't do my job. I mean,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: they were probably one ice away from like do you
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: need to take a medical leave. I hung in there
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: somehow to in a year and a half time, meeting
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: my amazing husband, finding Jesus and finding true inner peace,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like true happiness and inner peace. And whenever I don't
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: have inner peace now it's fleeting because God will bring
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it right. If I go to God, it comes right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: By right. I'm healthy I don't have any of the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: physical health problems really that I did before. I have
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: no migraines. Then, I mean, my vision's clear, like I
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: don't feel dizzy. It's all good. Created a million dollar business,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and I give at least half of my money away
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: because I can't live with myself if I didn't to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the king, generous, to the kingdom, you know whatever that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: looks like, some to the church, some to people that
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: need it, some to other organizations. To me right now, no,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I try. I try to be because I can't live
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: with it. Because and here's the thing, there's so many
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: instances in the Bible where God blesses people that are
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: faithful with wealth, but he expects that you're going to
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: use that wealth to further the kingdom, which is why
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I'm here talking to you today. You know, I've just
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: said I'm not going to worry about money, and boy
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: has God brought it to the table. But you know what,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do everything I can to give as much
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of it as I can to either pouring back into
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the business, to spread His word and to spread how
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to love in a healthy way, in a way that
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: makes God proud and glorifies God or directly to people
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: that need it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, and I've seen you do that, and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the more successful that we become, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: because obviously we were handed hand. Now as colleagues again
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like that. I seriously woke up yesterday and I felt
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: so immensely grateful. I don't know, I just had this
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: feeling like I woke up and I was like, I
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: cannot believe that I'm sitting here today and I get
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to have control over my time, yes, which is so priceless.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It's priceless having control over my time and not being
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: in prisoned to this nine to five, you know, or
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: someone telling me what to do. I can work hard
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like work. It just feels like
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I'm doing something good for the world, and I get
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to do it with my best friends fun.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: And the only reason I mentioned money is because there's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: no way that you can't look at like my like, yeah,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I charge a lot to meet with me. I have
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: another member of my team who has much more reasonable
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: pricing than me. I just can't see very many clients
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and I have to make it worth my time, right right,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: And so you know, I've had comments of like wow,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you charge a lot of money, and it's like, well, yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: but I have all these other services and options that
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: are a lot more financially friendly for people then to
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: get one on one day.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: And if you really, if you have to, if you
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: break down your time, which is something we've talked about
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: as your consult time break down, if you break down
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: your time and the time spent on those sessions, it's
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: actually a bargain. And I was really refreshed with someone
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I talked to the other day because you know, he
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: was asking about your services and I was like, well,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I know that. You know, doctor Hinsley's you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: hourly rate is a little bit higher than most. It's like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: but she's absolutely worth it. He was like, actually, he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: was like, I have no doubt that she's not. Like
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: he didn't even blink. And I know some people who
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: obviously are more have more finances than other, are wealthier
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: than others, that they don't have to blink at that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: But when you think of your education, what you spent
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: on your.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Education, gosh, I haven't still have even made back what
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I spent on my air at the time. You're not
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: just paying for the hour, right, you're paying for the
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  Speaker 2: ten years of training. You're paying for all that trauma
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I went through, right, You're paying for you know, maccess.
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  Speaker 1: I mean access. You're paying for access.
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  Speaker 2: Because hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Because access to you. I mean, listen, let's just talk
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  Speaker 1: about access in general. I always say, the older I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: get access to me becomes so so important. So it's
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: not just about your clients having access. Like anybody that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you give access to, you should be somebody that's really
• 51:38
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• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And I try to do a lot of pro bono
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  Speaker 2: sessions through my church, so people that are struggling in
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: their marriages in my church.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: We need to do some scholarships too, Yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: We need to. So I try to do as much
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  Speaker 2: pro bono work as I can possibly fit in. I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: give my course away for I shouldn't say this on
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the air. I get my course away all the time.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Two people that I truly believe need it and have
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: been impacted.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: By it called, you know when I'm called.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: When I'm called, the Lord tells me that's how this
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: person needs it.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. Every single time.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: It's like God, if God says give it, I give it.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: That's right, and I completely leave it to God to
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: direct me on everything financial. That's right, you know. Yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I also like clothes, but I'm trying. Okay, we like
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  Speaker 2: but you're a good will shopper man, I am. I'm
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• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Got to be more proactive.
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  Speaker 2: We'll post on it. So we want to start getting
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  Speaker 2: into the beauty space as well. And Marina is like
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  Speaker 2: the budget queen.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Man love some good will finds. I have just an
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  Speaker 1: eye I think, you know, I just kind of have
• 52:52
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• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I have laser focus, Like I just can find really
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  Speaker 1: have lots of citing things coming up that are worth mentioning.
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  Speaker 1: We wanted to launch this month, but it just didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Merch March is gonna be so fun.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pumped about March.
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  Speaker 2: We've got another friend of ours who has a March business,
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  Speaker 2: and we're bringing her on board and to partner with her.
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  Speaker 1: It's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: We love you, Amy, We're excited.
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  Speaker 1: We love you. But merch is gonna be so fun
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  Speaker 1: the slogans are really cute, guys, They're so cute. They're
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  Speaker 2: And Jesus is secure. Yes, Like that's so cool because
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  Speaker 2: he is Jesus, my attached person. That's right, He's ached.
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  Speaker 1: The favorite one is Avoidant Avoidant Lovers club meets sometimes
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  Speaker 1: and we'll be thinking of some other things because we
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  Speaker 1: have a few months to think on it. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: pumped about merch.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and give us your ideas. We would love to
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• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so you can. You can. Actually, we have
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and if you would like to do a coaching
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  Speaker 2: we can. We can keep it anonymous probably, I mean
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  Speaker 1: Email us yes at the podcast at gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll choose you and to do a live coaching
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  Speaker 2: session just to show people what it looks like.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's important.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Those coaching so different than there.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to do at least one a month.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: That would be great. Yeah, I would really enjoy that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So write us if that's something that would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to you. And then of course we just hope
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  Speaker 1: We hope that you know this episode was impactful. We
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  Speaker 1: hope that it touched you, and more importantly, we hope
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  Speaker 1: you know that that you can have these experiences like
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: we did where we've just been so incredibly blissed and.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And the blessings just keep calming, like and we don't.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I don't really feel like we take it for granted.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I try try, because like you know, when I was
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: hit with the thing that we can't mention right in May,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I mean it was like, oh, three years of floating
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: on a clown and then I plummeted to earth smack,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: and it was it felt like I was right back
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: there for a little while, but God pulled me out of.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: It ignot in no time and no time. It wasn't even,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it didn't even it didn't even last that long.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: And you know, I went back to some psychological tools,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: but a lot of it was you know, a lot
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: of it's faith too. You know, I can't say I
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: was healed just by psychology, right, you know, I can't
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, now, have I done my best to give
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the psychological tools for people that don't have the faith
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: so that they can get as best results as they can? Yes,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: because I want that for them, absolutely right. And I'm
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: never going to be like I'm never going to force
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: my faith on anybody. I want people to come to
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus because I want them to look at me and
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: be like, Wow, I see the fruit of the Spirit
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: in her life. Like I see that she has inner peace,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I see that she is a successful person. I see
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: that she deals with suffering, you know, in a way
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: that is glorifying to God. Right, because we are not
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: guaranteed a life of no suffering. I think I don't
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: know this for sure, but I think that we're put
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: on this earth to learn limitations. There's no limitations in heaven.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: It's all love, peace, joy, it's all the fruit of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the spirit. And so how would we ever know and
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: appreciate that love when we get there if we don't
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: come to earth and have suffering and learn limitations. Right,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And because because hell is just the absence of God,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: that's all it is. When we say, like, hell is
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: the absence of God, and I'm just going to throw
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: this one last thing in here, and I know this
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: has gone longer than.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: It was going to be along.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: It was going to be along when we knew it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Because it's God. We can't stop talking about him because
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: he is everything. There was this one dude, and I
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: wish I knew his name. And I'm sorry, guy on
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: social media, don't sue me. I'm not stealing this from you.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Some preacher on TikTok I saw this and it was
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: like the best explanation I have ever heard about why
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ is the only path to heaven, right, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: he goes because it says it in the Bible. It
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: says I am the only way to the Father, right,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: and so you know the only way the Father is
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: through me. And so that that puts a lot of
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: people in a really uncomfortable spot, right, And people are
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: like what And it's like, well, you're too inclusive, right,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Like I'm a good person. I should get to go
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: to heaven even though I don't know Jesus. It's like, well, listen,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: listen here. So Jesus says, like, know me, right, he says,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: know me. He says, you may say things in my
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: name and come to heaven. And I might be like,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know you, Like who are you? Right? If
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: you picked out the best house in the world, Like
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you just drove by this house and it was a
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: beautiful mansion and it had everything you could imagine, and
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you were like, I want to live there so bad.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: And you walked up to the door and you knocked
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: on the door and the person that owned that house answered,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: and you said, Hey, can I live here? What would
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: they say to you? No, who are you? Yeah? I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: don't know you? Yeah, never heard of yeah? Yeah, right right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: That's the same way with God. Like you can't deny
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: God your whole life, you can say you can't say, God, Jesus,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with you for my whole life.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in you. I want nothing to do
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: with you. But when I die, I want to come
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: live in your house.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't work like that, right, It just doesn't.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Because God gave you free will to choose him or not,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: and He doesn't interrupt it. So if you go your
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: whole life and you don't choose it, hell is the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: absence of God, that's right. Heaven is without the limitations
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: of Earth in the source presence of God. So you
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: made the choice. You sent yourself there, right because you said,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I want to use my own free will to reject God,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: and God says, I can't interrupt that. I do not
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: interrupt free will, and he tries, I guarantee your whole
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: life to bring you close to Him for sure, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: you don't listen, and you don't hear it, and you
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: turn away from it, and you make yourself your own God,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: and you listen to the enemy and you walk down
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: paths that bring you you great. It's suffering, and that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: will extend into eternity.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's right, and you know I will. I'll add
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: this in as we wrap up. It is a journey.
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  Speaker 2: It is a journey.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's a journey.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And I hope that that didn't come across the no
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: and disparaging to anyone, because listen, if you're not feeling
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: it and you don't believe it right now, it's okay.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I was there too once I get it. And all
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I do is pray that you have a pivotal excuse
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: me moment in your life where you feel it. That's right.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: You can't go back like we didnt know it, Like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I know it or unfeel.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: It, but it is a journey and you don't really
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: know when it's going to happen. But at the same time,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: it's important to start to try to bring consciousness and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: awareness to it because nothing is guaranteed, right and today
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: is not guaranteed, and that's why we have to wake
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: up every day and be grateful for this life. And
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