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Chuck & Buck 1-28 Hour 1: Belichick's major snub, yeah... we have to talk about THAT & the Riq Woolen reaction. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Great Wednesday morning to you, Humpday. It is Chucking back
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  Speaker 1: oh one in the morning, and we welcome you for
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  Speaker 1: the next four hours where we of course will be
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  Speaker 1: counting down the days to the Super Bowl. Seahawks versus
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  Speaker 1: Patriots from Santa Clara, California, eleven sleeps from the super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl here and uh, it'll be here before you know it.
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  Speaker 1: So just soak it all up. Don't rush this, don't
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  Speaker 1: rush us, be calm. Just let it all happen, let
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  Speaker 1: a wash all over you enjoy every second of it.
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  Speaker 4: I took a bath in it last night.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do a bath? Oh? Does it stop in
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl?
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  Speaker 5: It's like yeah, natural effervescence. Oh yeah, it's quite delightful, lovely. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it felt very refreshed, energetic.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you did that. Yeah, can you get that?
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  Speaker 1: Like super Bowl and a bottle? Uh, like that's bad beyond.
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  Speaker 4: All that place. No, I can't think of.
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  Speaker 1: Bath and beyond and beyond. I thought it was that's bad.
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  Speaker 5: No, there's actually a a TikTok recipe that you got
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  Speaker 5: to get and put together because you know that's where
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  Speaker 5: all the kids find all the cool things.
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  Speaker 1: TikTok. Oh, I see it's not chat MG.
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  Speaker 4: No, chat chat GPT.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's actually it's a it's uh, it's like you
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  Speaker 5: know how the Marriners did that, Etsy Witch or whatever,
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  Speaker 5: Like you can go on there so you can go
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  Speaker 5: on Etsy and you can find this if you.
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  Speaker 4: Just know where to look.
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  Speaker 1: The old super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Then you put together the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to take one every day? Tell the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl or you.
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  Speaker 4: Do the whole whenever you want. You can take more
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  Speaker 4: than one if you want, but you only need one.
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  Speaker 1: Vender meal. Yeah it's spelled k.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't been a while since I've taken a bath.
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  Speaker 1: It's been so long since I've a lot of super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl bath. That sounds nice.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds really nice. Right, It's got a nice ring
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  Speaker 4: to it.
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  Speaker 1: Just fill it right up to your chin. Yep, it's
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  Speaker 1: soaked there. The water never gets cold.
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  Speaker 4: Never, it stays the perfect temperature.
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  Speaker 1: That's a super Bowl bath if I've ever heard one.
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  Speaker 1: The truth, you weren't here early enough to see what
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  Speaker 1: Bucky and I saw. Have you seen unitron?
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: There's a guy and I've seen him before, but today
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  Speaker 1: we got like full view of it. There's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that rode his it's not a unicycle, it's like a.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that before. I've seen that guy before.
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  Speaker 1: So he comes in, Oh, he works in this building.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently he's got his own closet that he gets to
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  Speaker 1: put his Unibaby.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know he worked here. I've just seen him
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  Speaker 5: outside our building, no garage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he went to his own little like closet area,
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  Speaker 1: like little cage area, and he had a key for
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  Speaker 1: it and everything else. But man, I have never I
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  Speaker 1: used to say this about Charlie Weiss. I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: anyone more committed to wearing a belt than Charlie Weiss.
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  Speaker 4: He was very committed. Well, he needed it, very committed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how good it did. It seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be still always pulling up his pants. But I've never
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  Speaker 1: seen anyone more committed to being seen at night than
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  Speaker 1: this individual. Oh he had a long trench coat made
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  Speaker 1: of like that yellow firement firefighter the material reflective material.
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  Speaker 1: Then he had patches on there that were even more
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  Speaker 1: reflective and they were like shimmery. Then he had a
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  Speaker 1: Tron backpack which was this like Neon red light that
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  Speaker 1: went on his backpack. Then he had a helmet that
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  Speaker 1: had pieces of it that glowed. He had a glowing
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  Speaker 1: neck thing around his neck, and then he had like
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  Speaker 1: f lights on the helmet.
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  Speaker 4: Oho.
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  Speaker 1: So I've never ever seen anyone more committed to not
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  Speaker 1: getting hit while going to work, and yet he drives
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  Speaker 1: a unicycle to work.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and there's always a chance he'll get hit.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, here's an idea. Maybe have something that
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  Speaker 1: protects you better and then you can just wear normal
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  Speaker 1: clothes to work. Yeah, well, he's saving on gas. I
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  Speaker 1: suppose I think you spent more money on your outfit
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  Speaker 1: getting a specially made going to say firefighter trench coat
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  Speaker 1: than you did on a car would protect you better. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: They do say that stress is one of the biggest
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  Speaker 3: killers and it'll shorten your life. And he's pretty stressed out
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  Speaker 3: about his his commute.
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  Speaker 1: He looks like he is, But I think it's more
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  Speaker 1: of I look really cool in this. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: that's what captures that he really thinks he's futuristic. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I told you to close the doors. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want him to you even come in here. I think
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  Speaker 1: he might be carrying a lightsaber. Yeah, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: have the necessary equipment to defend myself against the lightber.
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  Speaker 3: You nailed it when you said tron unicycle guy or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Because he glows like he wants to be in the
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  Speaker 3: movie Tron. Uh huh, you might pull out one of
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  Speaker 3: them little the glowing disc things and throw it at us. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I closed the door o their door. He can he
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  Speaker 3: can get get in elevator by himself.
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  Speaker 1: I would think you could float to your office with
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  Speaker 1: that out for imagine. Yeah, yeah, not to mention, what
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  Speaker 1: if we don't see you coming right? Even use that
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  Speaker 1: an excuse. Why didn't you hold the door for me? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't see you. I didn't see it. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you could all your laser beams and your neon lights
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  Speaker 1: and your giant Darth Vader helmet that you're wearing.
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  Speaker 4: He's got like an entire light shower. He's putting on a.
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  Speaker 1: Nerd a tron. That's that's who we were into.
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  Speaker 5: Are excused for closing the door, though, because you don't know.
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  Speaker 5: You could have just said I'm sorry, we didn't know
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  Speaker 5: what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know what was happening. Obviously he works here.
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  Speaker 1: He wouldn't have an office, you wouldn't have a key
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  Speaker 1: cage a key. He obviously has something. But I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to stick around and find out look like a
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  Speaker 1: weirdo to.
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  Speaker 4: Me science in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to avoid kind of hope. But somebody that
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  Speaker 1: does traffic or something floor.
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  Speaker 5: I bet he works on one of his science floors though,
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  Speaker 5: because there's they're different.
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  Speaker 1: I Ope, be somebody that's on this floor, because I
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  Speaker 1: want to see who dresses like that? Would bender?
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  Speaker 4: Would you wreck hilarious?
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  Speaker 1: That would be glowing unicycle in here today?
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  Speaker 4: Would you? Would you recognize him if he didn't have
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  Speaker 4: all his glowing? Yeah, that's the one. What if you
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  Speaker 4: see him every day and you have no idea that
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  Speaker 4: that's glow?
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  Speaker 5: Tron never allow that, Jenny would never allow.
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  Speaker 1: He did get a pay raise, maybe gonna afford that outfit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got rid of his car cost a mint.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you that much, right, jumped up to the unicycle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you turn into tron Boy overnight, well, good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you. Welcome into the radio program. It is
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Ryan, former Mariner, Bucky Jacobson. My name is Chuck Powell.
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  Speaker 1: Will try to track down the whereabouts of tron Boy
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  Speaker 1: for you and get that information. I know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you are now on the edge of your seat
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  Speaker 1: about it, but we've got a lot of things to
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  Speaker 1: discuss today. Certainly we will continue talking Seahawks football and
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  Speaker 1: counting you down to the Super Bowl. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: different football topic that became front and center yesterday. It
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  Speaker 1: has the entire sports world up in arms, the entire
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  Speaker 1: football community up in arms. It was announced yesterday that
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, no doubt the most accomplished and decorated coach
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  Speaker 1: in the history of the National Football League. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can still hold out your arguments for Vince Lombardi
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  Speaker 1: and Don Shula and whoever else you want to throw
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  Speaker 1: into the conversation as best coach in the history of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, but the most decorated coach in the NFL's history,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe GM as well, is Bill Belichick. And yet
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  Speaker 1: on the first opportunity that he had to be voted
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  Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, the Committee of fifty decided
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  Speaker 1: he was not worthy, or more likely, they decided to
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  Speaker 1: punish him for acts of scandal in his past Spygate,
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  Speaker 1: deflate Gate, other situations. I mean, he had a reputation
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  Speaker 1: for doing more than that, I'm sure within NFL circles,
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  Speaker 1: but a few members of the voting committee took it
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  Speaker 1: upon themselves to hand out their own brand of justice
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  Speaker 1: throughout this process, and the most decorated head coach in
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  Speaker 1: NFL history and football history really is not going to
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  Speaker 1: get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's certainly going to get there eventually, and
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  Speaker 1: after this outcry, they might even make a special case
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  Speaker 1: for him to try to usher him for to Canton
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  Speaker 1: this year. But certainly the football world was shocked yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and it became the dominant topic of conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just when I heard, I was like, what
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  Speaker 3: that's And then immediately you go to Spygate and deflate
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  Speaker 3: Gate and think, well, that's got to be it, because
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  Speaker 3: you can't. It can't be based on just the football.
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  Speaker 3: The accolades are that come along with how long he
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  Speaker 3: was there, the fact that he was part of that
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  Speaker 3: dynasty and he helped create that dynasty. The argument of
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  Speaker 3: was it him or Tom Brady obviously was an argument
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  Speaker 3: that was brewing at the end of their tenure together,
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  Speaker 3: and then it looked as if it was more tom Brady,
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  Speaker 3: the way in which when they separated, New England went
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  Speaker 3: downhill and Tom Brady went and won another Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean the idea of taking a team to
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  Speaker 3: nine Super Bowls in eighteen years and went in six
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowls, you just think automatically, yeah, it's Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody assumed that was happening. Even in our
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  Speaker 1: homegrin conversation, we were like, well, he's not getting in
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  Speaker 1: next year because Belichick. Belichick's obviously going to get in
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  Speaker 1: next year. So yeah, I think everybody just assumed that
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, and thus the story that's the outrage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe, I mean, if that's what it takes
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  Speaker 3: in order for them to pull their heads out and
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  Speaker 3: get home grin end, fine, I'll go ahead and take it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's the huge outcry of this. It's insane,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I don't understand. I don't really understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Now. It is one of those you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's humans voting for humans, and so sometimes they will
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  Speaker 3: have a bone to pick, whether it's legitimate, like you know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you did cheat. There's notice that spygate was for sure
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  Speaker 3: you the Flategate may be not so much you who knows,
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  Speaker 3: but there probably was other things that you know. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think the NFL is trying to come out and
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  Speaker 3: throw one of their biggest stars as far as the
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  Speaker 3: coach goes under the bus. So I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 3: if multiple coaches have had other things that they're kind
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  Speaker 3: of get swept on. Hey, don't stop doing that. We
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  Speaker 3: know what you're doing. Stop doing that. But certain things
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  Speaker 3: you can't help but end up throwing that out there
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  Speaker 3: once a public gets word of it. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's crazy to me that he wouldn't get in in
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  Speaker 3: the first I mean, he's just like you said, he's
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  Speaker 3: the most decorated coach in the history of the game.
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  Speaker 3: So you would think that's automatically a first ballot Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame. But yeah, they're wanting to pick a boner
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  Speaker 3: or said an example of that cheating isn't accepted.
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  Speaker 1: Fine.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's the interesting thing though, is if you've
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  Speaker 5: decided that he cheated and he can't get in this year,
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  Speaker 5: or he cheated and you don't want him in, then
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  Speaker 5: then he shouldn't get in because he cheated. If that's
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  Speaker 5: your decision, it's not well, he cheated, so we just
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  Speaker 5: don't want to get him in on his first ballot,
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  Speaker 5: Like you either want him in there or you don't
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  Speaker 5: want him in there. It's similar, I mean, same thing
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  Speaker 5: that you say that. Pete Rose always said you're either
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  Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer or you're not a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 5: So he either cheated and you don't want him in,
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  Speaker 5: or he's a Hall of Famer one or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I guess the reasoning behind it, or at
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  Speaker 1: least what we're led to believe by Seth Wickersham and
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  Speaker 1: some of the rumors who wrote the story and some
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  Speaker 1: of the rumors that are out there, is that this
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  Speaker 1: was their punishment for all of the cheating. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get in. We all know you're gonna get in.
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  Speaker 1: We're all eventually going to vote for you, but we
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  Speaker 1: do want to make some example of you. So you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to wait a year. You don't get
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  Speaker 1: to be considered a first ballot Hall of Famer. And
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  Speaker 1: you ask any football player, there is prestige in that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just and there's Hall of Famers and then
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  Speaker 1: there are first ballot Hall of Famers, and there is
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  Speaker 1: a direct line of delineation. I just I mean to me,
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  Speaker 1: you said it. I mean, it's humans voting for humans,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the element that comes. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: I want AI to vote for it. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: want humans voting for humans. But what ends up happening
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  Speaker 1: is that everybody tries to make their own rationale for it,
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  Speaker 1: and they want their own This is my chance to
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  Speaker 1: express my own feelings about a situation, and if you
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  Speaker 1: have just a few of them, it can mess up
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  Speaker 1: the entire process. And that individual thinks I'm the only
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  Speaker 1: one acting this way, probably, and yet you find out
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  Speaker 1: at the end of it there are ten or eleven
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  Speaker 1: or there is a rumor out there that Bill Pollian
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  Speaker 1: was trying to get it across two other voters to
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  Speaker 1: think the way I'm thinking, let's punish him for one year.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know how many people didn't vote for him.
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  Speaker 1: We just know that at least eleven didn't out of
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  Speaker 1: the fifty that were able to cast their votes. I
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  Speaker 1: do think Pete Rose was right. I think the process
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  Speaker 1: needs to be simplified, and you're either a Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Famer or you're not, and we'll go ahead and people
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  Speaker 1: that came within percentages of the vote, they'll get another chance,
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  Speaker 1: like five years down the road. Don't put him through
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  Speaker 1: this process of every year they have to anguish over this,
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  Speaker 1: like Mike Homward's had to anguish over this. You are
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  Speaker 1: either in or you're not. And I don't care what
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  Speaker 1: the limit is. There's not a limit of five guys
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  Speaker 1: that get in. You're either a Hall of Famer or
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  Speaker 1: you're not. I would change the committee and who got
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  Speaker 1: to vote as well, which I'm going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: in rec Us at breakfast today. But you get a
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  Speaker 1: few people with an acting agenda and the next thing
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've screwed up the entire process. And then
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to Holmgren, it does affect him, and
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  Speaker 1: it affects him negatively because he didn't get in on
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  Speaker 1: the ballot this year because of Belichick. And if they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to make an example out of Belichick, guess what
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  Speaker 1: Belichick's gonna get in next year. He's gonna take coaches
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  Speaker 1: spot next year. So now where you're looking at a
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  Speaker 1: three year wait probably for Mike Holmgren to get in.
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  Speaker 1: And so this process of you know what, if Babe
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  Speaker 1: Ruth didn't get in, nobody gets in on the first ballot. Stupid.
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  Speaker 1: This process of you know what, I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: that relief pitchers are valuable enough, all right, It's rarer
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  Speaker 1: that relief pitchers get in I'll give you that, but
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding you, you're just gonna draw a
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  Speaker 1: line in the sand that you're not going to ever
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  Speaker 1: vote for a relief pitcher in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Things like that, And in the NFL's case, you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to hand out your own brand of justice. That's not
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  Speaker 1: your job. Vote Hall of Famer or don't vote Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Famer. And I think if there was more pressure
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  Speaker 1: to your vote could keep him out entirely, then we
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  Speaker 1: would see a little bit of a change here to
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  Speaker 1: all of this, because I do believe that it is preposterous,
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  Speaker 1: and I do believe it's the human element of people
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  Speaker 1: creating and crafting their own rules for how justice should
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  Speaker 1: be dispensed, which is the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you also have to add that he
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  Speaker 3: probably wasn't the most liked guy by the media by
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that covered him, just because he
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  Speaker 3: was really short, you know, he didn't play the game.
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  Speaker 1: Also should not be used as something for the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: And ultimately an article that I've found yesterday after you know,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: the uproar about the whole thing, I mean, the guy
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: ended up winning significantly more after Spygate so it's like
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: if you're going to hold it against him because it's
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: like you're a cheater, But then you got to be like, well,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: did the cheating make him better? Or I mean did
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: he did he fall off after? Did the Astros fall
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: off the face of the planet after they took the
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: garbage can out of their dugout?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: You know, didn't know? Okay, well yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Well but no, I'm saying after spike it, after he
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: got caught on it, he his winning percentage went up,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and they just you know, they ended up still continuing
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: to be as good as they were prior to it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: So it's just, okay, well, how much does that go
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: into it? It's, uh, you know, some guy had you know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: five great seasons and he was definitely taking steroids and
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: then they caught him and he hit one fifty for
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: the rest. It's like, you weren't very good without it,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: and yet that's not the case with Bill Belichick. So
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: to me, it's there's just so many things that go
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: into it, and yet what should go into it is
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: is he deserving as a coach in the Hall of Fame?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Or no?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, you don't have to bring your well I'm going
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to be I'm going to give my little stroke of
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: justice to this whole thing. Okay, I guess if you
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: feel like that's your place to do it, I guess
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you get to do it. Mike Sando, who we have
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: on every week, he voted for him, and he said
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: it was a slam dunk. It's not like he didn't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: know that there was Skygator scandals around it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: A lot of people step forth to make sure that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they're not lumped in with it. A lot of the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: voters have separated themselves. You're not supposed to, by the way,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: but they're so embarrassed by it that they don't. They
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: don't want the hate mail, they don't want people reaching
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: out to them because it's public who votes. And so
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: those some of those are like getting killed on social
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: media and threatened and everything else, and like, well, you're
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: not gonna I know, I'm not supposed to reveal my vote,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna suffer this, and so they've tried
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to separate themselves. We still aren't able to identify who
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the eleven were that didn't vote for him. Eleven or more,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: but obviously the process is messed up, and I wouldn't
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be surprised at all that there isn't a complete overall
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of how it's done because of this controversy. So maybe
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it was a necessary evil, Maybe we needed to have
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: it happen. Maybe it does pave the way for Mylngrin.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe Holgrin and Belichick can get in on the next
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: ballot like they should be in. Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean you look at last year in the
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: way that it all went down with.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was going to be a perfect opportunity
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: to put coach in and have him and Sterling Sharpen
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: there at the same time. And and the fact that
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: coach just I just didn't understand.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: None of it made sense. So yeah, something does have
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: to change.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: And similar to college football, you just got to make
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: something absurd or ridiculous and then it's.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Got to crash out before we do what's obvious and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: what needs to be done to fix things. I mean,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: they're just too many people on the panel that are like, well,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he is a Hall of Famer, but I think he'll
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: he's one of those that needs to wait a couple
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, he's either a Hall of Famer or
• 19:43
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  Speaker 1: we'll try to find some time to discuss them more.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Robert Craft might actually get in ahead of Belichick. Robert
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Kraft still has a chance to get in on the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ballot this year. And let the conspiracies
• 20:37
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• 20:38
  Speaker 5: What if he's the one that kept him out so
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: he could get in before him exactly?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And then people are saying, well, if you're gonna hold
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: these things against Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, A, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hold him against Tom Brady as well? Is Tom Brady
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: gonna have to wait an extra year. That's why I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: think maybe this is gonna break the wheel, and I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: think they're gonna start all over with how to determine
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: who gets into the NFL Hall of Fame. I can't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: wait to talk to Mike Sandu about it tomorrow. Mike
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: McCarthy teared up at his press conference yesterday as the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: new head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He is returning home.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, tell you this, he didn't take it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: He didn't go on a diet to become the head
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: coach of the Steelers. I tell you that much college
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: football you dubbed schedule is out. We'll find some time
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about that later on in the show. The
• 21:25
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• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to complain about, but I'm sure, I'm sure there's stuff.
• 21:32
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• 21:36
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• 21:39
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• 21:43
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• 21:46
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• 21:50
  Speaker 1: should have had a hat trick two different times ended
• 21:53
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• 21:59
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• 22:02
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  Speaker 1: A pretty much is our only focus in life. But
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: one thing that I do believe that we should cover
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: is a series of unfortunate Super Bowl topics that we
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: should discuss. We started this series yesterday. We asked Bucky
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: about how relieved he might be the he doesn't have
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to deal with two weeks of forty three to eight
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: reminders with his Broncos having qualified for the Super Bowl.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So let's bring up another one. And I think this
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: is the most sensitive one that we are going to come.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, yay, Malcolm Butler. Oh, I'm not supposed to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: say that out loud to Voldemort, but yes, that play.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Is this possibly and I'll ask Ashley, is this possibly
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like a exercise your demons kind of moment? Like is
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: this an opportunity for sort of the players on that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: team that let that play not only now they lose
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the Super.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Bowl, but then let it destroy them.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It ruined the dynasty for goodness sake. Maybe it's an
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: opportunity for a cleansing moment that the Seahawks are back.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: We're ten years removed from that defense is leading the way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if they can all be revived again
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for this moment. And I know they'll never be over it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But can we possibly exercise this demon or is it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: just gonna haunt Seahawks fans for the rest of their lives.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I think it's two different things.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: It could exercise the demon for Seahawks fans because one,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, and I mentioned this in Booze News last week,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: We're gonna hear.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: About it a lot over the next.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Week, and surprise, we haven't heard about it more.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but next week, Yeah, yeah, it's gonna really ramp up.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: You're gonna see it, and especially on Super Bowl Sunday,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: you're gonna see that play about five hundred million times.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: So you're your demons will be exercised if the Seahawks
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: win on Sunday.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Do you think so?
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: I think for fans, yeah, I think it. I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of fans because we've seen it, even on
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: the text line it's the revenge game. Okay, let's go,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: let's get revenge on New England. Personally, it doesn't really
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: exercise the demons for me, and I don't think it
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: would exercise the demons for the players in any way,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: because I think you're right, it doesn't even worse. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: It doesn't change anything for them. They still lost that game.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: It was still a terrible play call, still a terrible
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: ending to a game when it looked like everything was
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: going their way to pull off an amazing win. And
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: so it probably, yeah, probably just makes it sting a
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: little a little more.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a fan feels better a lot better
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: about everything the next morning, even losing that game the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: way that was the worst ones the worst way to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: lose ever. Yeah, and I wouldn't even hear yet. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: got here a couple of weeks after that. That's when
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I started. I came during this. It's not your fault,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it's not my fault, but I do. I didn't experience
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the moment with you, but I experienced the heartbreak and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the devastation of it afterwards. And so I think you're right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think a fan wins their second Super Bowl, they
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: get that bragging right over the next you know, buck
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Ears fan that they see in the bar, Well, we've
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: got two now too, you know, or whatever the case
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: may be. It strengthens the Seahawk lore. Ye, once they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: get it, and you get it revenge against the New
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: England Patriots, that organization. But it actually, Bucket might stem
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: more for the players to have to Sherm and all
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: those guys to have to relive this this week. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: if the Seahawks win, it's like, that's great. It's great
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for that's great for Mike mcdonali, you, that's great for
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Julian Love. I'm I'm actually a little more pissed right now.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the players you're at, I think
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the players, the former players that were there for that
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. There's nothing that wipes that away. No, you
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: could beat the Patriots eighty seven to two, which might happen,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and yet it's not going to change the feeling of Man,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you let that go and then did it really ruin
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the dynasty like it felt like it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Probably did.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: It definitely affected at some degree, I think, But I
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: don't so I don't think a win here changes it
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I do feel like.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: As a fan, if you were to lose now to them,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: right because you can't you went into that game and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it was you know it was It wasn't a game
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: that you just felt like they most certainly should win,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and yet you march down there and you were on
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the doorstep of winning back to back Super Bowls. If
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you were to lose, to get upset by a second
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: year quarterback and a team that most people think should
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: couldn't compete with a couple teams in the NFC, it
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: might feel like, uh, oh that that was like the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: beginning of a bad streak of Super Bowls, right, I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: mean you figure that that that kick wide right? Was
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: it Norwood for the Bills that first Super Bowl that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: he kicks wide right? And then that started four straight
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: super Bowl lost It was the same team though, Yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: that was the same group. Yeah, I know, I'm saying
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: as far as the groups of guys that part, I
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: already said, I don't think that anything changes for those guys.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: As far as a fan goes, if you were to
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: get upset by the Patriots, it almost might feel like
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: it ties it to that one again.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I would hope not.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I just think the shock if you
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: were to get upset by the Patriots would just be
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: its own new thing.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And I think as far as the.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Team goes that that team that lost to the Patriots
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: last time, the only thing that would have ever made
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: it somewhat better would have been if they would have
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: been able to come back the next year and then
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: beaten the Patriots. I mean, they would have had to
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: go back to the Super Bowl and beat the Patriots.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: It's the only thing that could have remotely wiped it away.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I think there are three facts that emerged from that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: entire incident. Number One, that was one incredible play by
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler. Yeah, that can't be disputed. That was one
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of the best like instinctual, like big moment plays in
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. Yeah, so that's a fact.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Second fact, there is no way Marshaun Lenz should not
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: have had that football correct. At least one shot.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah it wasn't fourth down, right, Yeah, at.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Least one shot with the roughest, toughest can't bring him
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: down when he doesn't want you to bring him down.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Running backs at that time and maybe in the history
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of the NFL, and how he didn't get a shot
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in that moment, I think factually absurd that that that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: play call was made in that situation. And then the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: third thing, And this can be disputed. This could be
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: disputed by the players, This could be disputed by Pete,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: This could be disputed by the fans. But I think
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it's fact. I think you that was an extraordinary team
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that obviously had some fractured relationships in that locker room,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and they had a chance to save that team and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: instead they let it destroy them and the relationships and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they never were able to get back over it. I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: think those are to me, those I just represent as facts.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: To that situation. And I know we haven't talked about
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it a lot, but it's gonna come up. So I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: just wanted to get out ahead of it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Here to the band aid off.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just discuss it. I mean, it's a fascinating
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: sports topic, there's no question about you know, you're talking
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: about it with your buddies well and all the time
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: when you get together for beers. And that memory is
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: gonna come back up this week. But ten years removed
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: from it, got a championship caliber team again here in Seattle,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: completely different from that one. All the participants are off
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the roster. So I think for fans this could be
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sort of a cleansing, exercising moment for you, But I
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: agree with both of you. I think the players it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: might actually be worse.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just to relive it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, relive it all.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I think what could have been relive it as a fan.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, you remember the roller coaster of emotions, the
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Jermaine Curse catch on the side, I mean, tumbling down
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: catching it. It was like, oh my god, yeah, how
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: did he just do that? We're gonna win the effing
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: super Bowl? And then to three minutes later be like
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, how did he just do that? We
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: just lost the effing super Bowl. It was like the
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: complete highest high you could have had. Three minutes later,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: it was like you'd been sunk him into a mole hole.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Do you know what? Fan felt that the most both
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of those things that you just suggested Tom Brady because
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: he was sure they had lost and then could not believe.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, his was the opposite.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But I'm saying that he knew he felt
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing more so than anybody. We just
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: lost the super Bowl. You could see it on his
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: face on the sidelines, and then the shock of oh
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: my gosh, we just won the Super Bowl? Yeah, how
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: did we do that? So anyway, I'm not so I
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: don't know a series of unfortunate super Bowl topics. Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: we had to cover that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Well, glad we got it out of the way.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Conversation's over. Not saying I'm not going to bring it
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: back up again this show, but I did think we
• 32:51
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  Speaker 1: impact Mike Holmer and he might have a little bit
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of insight into all of that all of his sportswriter
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  Speaker 1: friends out there. Can't wait to talk to Mike Sando
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  Speaker 1: about it tomorrow on the radio program. But we'll get
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  Speaker 1: Greg's thoughts on that and many other things coming up
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  Speaker 1: here at seven five. Also Dustin Nickerson joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: Joke boy, it's gonna be with us joke at nine
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  Speaker 1: o'clock today. Can't wait to get his reaction to his
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks making it to the Super Bowl. If I know
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  Speaker 1: anything about Dustin Nickerson, he never at any time had
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  Speaker 1: a doubt they were gonna make it to the novel now, No, sure,
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  Speaker 1: always believes very positive, very glass half.
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  Speaker 4: Never ever a doubt Reek Wollan.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've had the conversation in the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days. Obviously, Reek Wolan's got a problem of containing
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  Speaker 1: his emotions after making plays in football games. And you
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  Speaker 1: would think that Riek Wollan could resolve that in understanding
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  Speaker 1: the moment. But I think it's pretty clear that he can't.
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  Speaker 6: And maybe this is the moment where he finally it
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  Speaker 6: does hit home when it's Super Bowl on the line,
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  Speaker 6: when he's got nickname and warry in his face, when
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  Speaker 6: he's no doubt got his teammates and his defensive mates
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  Speaker 6: putting pressure on him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's said the right things at the podium,
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  Speaker 1: he's done the right things in social media to try
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  Speaker 1: to garner forgiveness and to assure us that nothing like
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  Speaker 1: this is going to happen again as long as I'm
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  Speaker 1: in a Sea Hawk uniform. But needless to say, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to trust him because we've seen it just happened
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  Speaker 1: too frequently. So we had the conversation. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: thought we were going to put it to bed yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and yet we had a lot more Texters that reached
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  Speaker 1: out to us at four nine, four or five one
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  Speaker 1: suggesting I don't want him to play in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Then we did those on the other side that thought
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  Speaker 1: that we were making too big of a deal out
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  Speaker 1: of it. There are a lot of Seahawk fans that
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  Speaker 1: don't trust him to the degree that they don't even
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  Speaker 1: want him to play in the Super Bowl. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't it's crazy simply because he's obviously talented.
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  Speaker 1: He's rebounded this year.
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  Speaker 3: He's guy had a bit of a wishy washy kind
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  Speaker 3: of career so far. It's been four years and he
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  Speaker 3: was like pro bowler and then he wasn't and got
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  Speaker 3: benched and has rebounded and been really good. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's been a really good part of that defense. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna, you know, compare him to Spoon
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  Speaker 3: or or Emon Worry or call him the heartbeat of
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  Speaker 3: the defense or anything like that. But he's a piece
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  Speaker 3: that he He's made a bunch of good plays this season,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think that if you're wanting to win
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  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, you're not wanting to be hamstrung. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if you're cacky enough to think, no, he can put
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  Speaker 3: anybody over there. We're beating the Patriots anyways, then go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and have that feeling. I would think, you play
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  Speaker 3: with that fire, You dance with the one you brought,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, for one more game to try to
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  Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl if you're in the boat of
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  Speaker 3: But I don't want to bring him back because even
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  Speaker 3: though he's said all the right things, he's taken accountability
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  Speaker 3: for his actions. I don't trust that he won't do
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  Speaker 3: it again because I think that there's everybody knows what
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  Speaker 3: the rules are, and we've talked about the idea of
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  Speaker 3: you know, the taunting that is, when you make a
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  Speaker 3: hit and you can't stand over him, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: flex on them. I don't necessarily like that. I don't
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  Speaker 3: like any of the flexing on people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, sometimes that's just
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  Speaker 3: a natural reaction, and yet you got to be real
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  Speaker 3: quick to pull yourself out of that moment. What he
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  Speaker 3: did the other day was just flat out you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a line, and you know you are stepping over
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  Speaker 3: it by walking towards them. You know, for five six
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  Speaker 3: yards you're sitting there John Adam. To me, that's just
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  Speaker 3: something where it's you're just not disciplined enough to stay
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  Speaker 3: beyond on the on the proper side of the line.
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  Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't trust him.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily want him back, but I wouldn't want
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  Speaker 3: to bench him for the Super Bowl either.
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  Speaker 4: No, and I wouldn't bench him either.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's interesting because a lot of people have said, oh,
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  Speaker 5: there's no way the ref heard what Wolan was saying.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he was just reacting to the Rams bench.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well it doesn't matter because Wolan was still walking
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  Speaker 5: along in front of the entire Rams bench. So whether
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  Speaker 5: or not the ref heard him, you could clearly see
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  Speaker 5: that Wolan was talking to all of them. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't think he was saying like, hey, guys, you want
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  Speaker 5: to go grab a drink after this, like let's have
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  Speaker 5: some lunch. I just this is where I feel like
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: we're really going to see the difference between Pete Carroll
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  Speaker 5: and Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Pete Carroll is that guy that's going to say, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, I understand that you're a little fiery, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna we're just gonna embrace that and we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: work with it and we're gonna fix it.
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  Speaker 4: And Mike McDonald, I think, is the type.
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  Speaker 5: That's going to say, hey, if you're not gonna get
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  Speaker 5: in line, you're gone.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I love Mike McDonald, I mean, I guess couldn't
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  Speaker 1: like him anymore than I like him as head coach
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  Speaker 1: of the Seattle Seahawks, but he obviously hasn't done that
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  Speaker 1: this year or they haven't gotten the message through. If
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  Speaker 1: this was the first time it happened all season, you
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  Speaker 1: chalk it up to Man, it's the NFC Conference championship.
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  Speaker 1: The next step is the super Bowl. I don't blame
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  Speaker 1: an athlete for getting hyped too over hyped in the moment,
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  Speaker 1: but not when you've got the track record that Reek's
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  Speaker 1: had this season. So obviously somebody hasn't done an effective
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  Speaker 1: enough job to get through Woolen and what is acceptable
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  Speaker 1: and what is at stake. Maybe this is the moment
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  Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't have wouldn't bench him. I never even
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  Speaker 1: dreamed that people would would feel that way. But I
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  Speaker 1: will say in defense of those that want to bench him,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like I mentioned yesterday, it's just one time.
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  Speaker 1: He can behave the entire game, and if one play
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  Speaker 1: creates one emotional reaction and leads to one penalty at
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  Speaker 1: the worst possible moment, I don't think Riek Wolan has
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  Speaker 1: the ability to discern when that moment is. And so
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  Speaker 1: that is concerning. I mean, I'm not here to tell
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  Speaker 1: you it's not gonna happen again. I don't think Riek
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  Speaker 1: Wollan learns from his lessons. I just don't he's very risky.
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