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The Rita Panahi Show | 30 June · The Rita Panahi Show

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  Speaker 1: On Scarland's Australia. Davis is the Rita Panahe Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panahe Show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Borrow filling in for RITA this week. Coming up
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  Speaker 2: this evening, Climate Czar Matt Keen faces calls to resign
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  Speaker 2: after billing taxpayers for his travel to a UN climate conference.
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  Speaker 2: By Pana will discuss that and all the other top
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  Speaker 2: headlines of the day. Plus Andy Burnham wants to create
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  Speaker 2: a number ten north in Manchester in the UK if
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  Speaker 2: he becomes the next labor leader. Andrew Eborn will join
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  Speaker 2: us from the UK for his reaction. Also, Kosha Gana
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  Speaker 2: will be here. She's gonna have the latest from the US,
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  Speaker 2: including a Democrat congressional nominees, deleted tweets praising communism, Oh bless,
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  Speaker 2: and Donald Trump has been forced to pay Gene Carroll
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  Speaker 2: five million dollars after his Supreme Court appeal failed. Alex
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  Speaker 2: Stide joined me a little later in the show to
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  Speaker 2: discuss that travesty. Oh and of course we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: lefties losing it for you. And you're never going to
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  Speaker 2: guess who built Minnesota. I'll give you a hint it's
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  Speaker 2: the same folks who invented the Leering Center. I think
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  Speaker 2: you know who I'm talking about. Anyway, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: the panel now. Anthony Albnezi's climate z are Matt Kean
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  Speaker 2: is facing calls to resign after taxpayers were built tens
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars for his travel to a UN
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  Speaker 2: climate conference where he appeared on a panel sponsored by
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  Speaker 2: his private employer. Now the Climate Change Authority chair, flew
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  Speaker 2: business class from city to South America and back in
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  Speaker 2: November last year. These flights cost taxpayers a cool twenty
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  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. But while at the Conference of the Parties,
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  Speaker 2: Oh doesn't that sound fun, Keen was on a panel
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  Speaker 2: sponsored by Wallamy Capitol, which invests in businesses that claim
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  Speaker 2: to be reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The opposition's energy and
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  Speaker 2: admissions reduction spokesman Dan Tied called out the apparent conflict
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  Speaker 2: of interest and called on Keen to quit either the
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  Speaker 2: Authority or wall Am I Capital, or both.
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  Speaker 3: If he is at cop also promoting the interests of
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  Speaker 3: the company that he works for, which benefits benefits from
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  Speaker 3: the decisions that the government makes, how can he, in
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  Speaker 3: good conscience be undertaking that role. Matt Keane should resign
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  Speaker 3: as Chris Bonen's climate change saw or the secondies he
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  Speaker 3: should resign from Willemai Capital.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely right. Joining me now to discuss this is
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  Speaker 2: News Corps senior journalist, senior writer Patrick Carlyon and Institute
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  Speaker 2: of Public Affairs Research fellow Colleen Harkin. Patrick, let's start
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  Speaker 2: with you on this one here. This seems like such
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  Speaker 2: an unbelievable conflict of in tryst given you know the
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  Speaker 2: way the business that he works for is in the
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  Speaker 2: business of dealing with climate credits and renewable projects, and
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  Speaker 2: this whole deal that he's got with the government is
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  Speaker 2: to be all about Australia's climate change policy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he can't do both. I mean Danteen is right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the renewable sector has always seen very cozy
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  Speaker 4: at times, and you've got people wearing more than one hat.
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  Speaker 4: And when you're working for a private company that stands
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  Speaker 4: to either win or lose according to public policy over
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  Speaker 4: which you're overseeing. At the same time, there are massive
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  Speaker 4: conflicts throughout these and this should have been addressed well before.
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  Speaker 4: Now we've got this trip overseas which is brought to
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  Speaker 4: a head. But he can't be doing both, can you.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, and I mean, Colleen, this really does get
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  Speaker 2: to the heart of, I think what a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are concerned about what looks like very cozy arrangements
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  Speaker 2: between environmental regulators and people who have the ability to
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  Speaker 2: profit from them. Now, no one's suggesting here that Matt
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  Speaker 2: Keen has done anything underhanded here, but this does get
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  Speaker 2: to the heart of a question that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people have about, you know, who benefits and whose pockets
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  Speaker 2: are lined by the push for net zero.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that's right. I mean, the issue here is
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  Speaker 5: that it's not entirely clear who is the beneficiary of
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  Speaker 5: the use of taxpayer funds, and that goes to the
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  Speaker 5: core of the issue. It just shouldn't need to be
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  Speaker 5: a question. We shouldn't be having to ask that question
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  Speaker 5: at all. The other issue here is that for a
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  Speaker 5: part time role statutory position. Sure, it's part time, so
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  Speaker 5: he's entitled to do other work, not in conflict with
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  Speaker 5: the work that he's paid to do as a taxpayer.
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  Speaker 5: But seventy thousand dollars in travel seems like a lot.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm sure that the average Joe out there has
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  Speaker 5: not spent seventy thousand dollars in travel, Nor have they
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  Speaker 5: admitted the amount of carbon emissions that these people have
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  Speaker 5: done in their recent travel. I don't understand why these
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  Speaker 5: zalots about all of our climate continued to do all
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  Speaker 5: this travel. Why can't they use zoom like the rest
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  Speaker 5: of us?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, look that's what I've I was wondering,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like we all learned to use zoom and
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  Speaker 2: stuff during the pandemic. And if climate change is such
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  Speaker 2: an emergency, why do they have to go to Rio
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  Speaker 2: to talk about it. I don't know, maybe they just
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  Speaker 2: want to go to Rio. But hey, let's come back
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  Speaker 2: closer to home here where Labor is now trying to
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  Speaker 2: blame the low auction clearance rates that have been seen
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday after Saturday across the country on interest rates,
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  Speaker 2: although that seems to be a little bit therefore two
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  Speaker 2: rather than their own so called tax reforms haven't listened
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  Speaker 2: here though, to Labor, MP Matt thistleswae trying to deflect
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  Speaker 2: the blame for this reverse housing crunch.
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  Speaker 6: We saw that property investors were getting an advantage of
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  Speaker 6: people trying to buy a home. We've now leveled the
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  Speaker 6: playing field and I think that that will take some
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  Speaker 6: time to wash through the system.
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  Speaker 7: But you're seeing now that.
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  Speaker 6: First time buyers and people looking to buy a home
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  Speaker 6: are the ones that are turning out to auctions and
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  Speaker 6: buying existing properties. And that's exactly what we wanted to
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  Speaker 6: assure Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: If there were so many first home buyers on the
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  Speaker 2: sidelines jumping in now that value is being wiped off
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  Speaker 2: the face of people's properties, why aren't auction clearance rates higher?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a very good question, James. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: the official rate was the same from November twenty three
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  Speaker 4: to December twenty four. I think the clearance rate then
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  Speaker 4: was about sixty two sixty three percent. Now it's nine percent.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact is, who wants to sell? Who wants
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  Speaker 4: to buy a property at the moment where experts are
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  Speaker 4: saying's going to be worth ten percent less in a
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  Speaker 4: year's time, And who wants to sell when I know
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  Speaker 4: that there are a few people buying? This is all
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  Speaker 4: about the budget and all about the unintended consequences of
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  Speaker 4: this really dreadful budget.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Colleen, you know, I want to just talk about
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  Speaker 2: the economics of this too, because this budget, this dog
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  Speaker 2: of a budget, that we're still talking about months later,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the actually going to be felt for years.
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  Speaker 2: What they've done here. Tell me if I've got this wrong.
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  Speaker 2: They've taken a lot of value away from housing. They've
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  Speaker 2: basically frozen up the liquidity in that market. But then
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  Speaker 2: because they also took away those capital gains tax long
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  Speaker 2: term extension exemptions for other businesses, there's no place else
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  Speaker 2: for money to go, and there's no productivity improvements being
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  Speaker 2: made in the economy. So it feels like this is
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  Speaker 2: just making us poorer, not about what they claim, which
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  Speaker 2: is redirecting investor dollars into more productive enterprises.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think that's exactly right. It is the redistribution
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  Speaker 5: of wealth, and it is, you know, sort of slowing
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  Speaker 5: down the idea of building your own wealth and being
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  Speaker 5: an independent, financially aspirational person to something that Patrick just said.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with everything that he just said, But the
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  Speaker 5: scenario of the young the reason this was allegedly done
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  Speaker 5: was for first home buyers, and they're not entering into
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  Speaker 5: the market of all.
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  Speaker 9: They're terrified.
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  Speaker 5: They're frozen on the sidelines, watching the idea that's something
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  Speaker 5: that they might by by now, they'll be in negative
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  Speaker 5: equity very soon. So it is this sort of ill
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  Speaker 5: considered scenario. I'm sure that they didn't really plan this
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  Speaker 5: out properly. Proof isn't the pudding that, as you say,
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  Speaker 5: four or five weeks later, we're still talking about it
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  Speaker 5: and they've still been tweaking at the edges about how
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  Speaker 5: are they going to fix this problem. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 5: that they really considered that this would be the result.
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  Speaker 5: If they did, it's a planned redistribution of wealth. If
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  Speaker 5: they didn't, it's incompetence and everybody is suffering as a
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  Speaker 5: result of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Patrick, let me flick this question over to you here,
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  Speaker 2: because I've always been taught, you know, and it's what
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  Speaker 2: they teach you in journalism. If it's between a conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: and a cockup, you go with the cockup. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: this feels like this is really a government that is
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  Speaker 2: very much against the idea of individual wealth, individual aspiration,
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  Speaker 2: and there would much rather people be dependent on the government,
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  Speaker 2: and the government clips the tickets and distributes the prose
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  Speaker 2: of whatever's left of the private economy. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think conspiracy or cocup?
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  Speaker 10: Look?
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  Speaker 4: I think mostly cockup, probably to be fair, James, look,
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  Speaker 4: We had all that retrick beforehand talking about intergenerational equity
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  Speaker 4: or equality. There is a sense of regis distribution here.
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  Speaker 4: There is a sense of moving the goalpost in a
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  Speaker 4: way that I don't think they actually fully appreciated how
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  Speaker 4: far they were moving them and the consequences of it.
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  Speaker 4: We're saying it straight immediately. We're seeing what's happening now.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know where it's going to be in two
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  Speaker 4: to three years time, do we?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, and that's right? And what do
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  Speaker 2: you mention a moment ago? Forgive me, I've just forgotten,
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  Speaker 2: But what have you mentioned the whole question of young
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  Speaker 2: people who bought with the five percent deposits which the
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  Speaker 2: government guaranteed being in negative equity. Well this was very
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  Speaker 2: interesting because Housing Minister Claire O'Neil, she has been out
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  Speaker 2: there talking about oh angus Taylor avoids questions. He's avoiding
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  Speaker 2: questions when it comes to the whole multiculturalism question. Have
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  Speaker 2: a look at this.
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  Speaker 8: Do you believe Australia should be a monoculture?
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  Speaker 4: You explained to be watching mean By They said, there's
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  Speaker 4: all these vague words running around.
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  Speaker 7: I think I'll be very clear about what.
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  Speaker 4: We all need to share in this country. It's about
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  Speaker 4: a shared set of values.
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  Speaker 5: That we all sign up to.
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  Speaker 4: People coming to this country must adhere to these values.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty funny though, but you know, in Parliament
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  Speaker 2: on Monday Claire O'Neil herself she demonstrated that she knows
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  Speaker 2: a thing or two about ducking questions. And here she
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  Speaker 2: was when she was being asked about this very issue
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  Speaker 2: of young homeowners going to negative equity. Have look at this?
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  Speaker 3: Does the Minister know how many first home buyers now
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  Speaker 3: owe more money than their home is worth?
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  Speaker 11: Over time, house prices in Australia will continue to increase
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  Speaker 11: just a little bit more slowly than they otherwise would have.
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  Speaker 9: Speak up?
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  Speaker 11: How many first home buyers now owe more money than
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  Speaker 11: their home.
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  Speaker 9: Is actually worth?
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  Speaker 7: Speaker?
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  Speaker 11: The premise of the question is factually and utterly incorrect.
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  Speaker 5: Does the Minister know how many first home buyers now
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  Speaker 5: owe more money than their home is worth?
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  Speaker 11: This is a variation on a question that I've now
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  Speaker 11: been asked multiple times and I'm not changing my answer.
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  Speaker 2: Collen, what is going on here? I mean, seriously, this
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  Speaker 2: is the worst docking of I think a very legitimate question.
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  Speaker 5: It's definitely a legitimate question. It needs to be understood.
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  Speaker 5: There would be nothing worse than putting your your heart
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  Speaker 5: and soul into scraping together a little deposit to get
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  Speaker 5: into the market and then find out that you owe
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  Speaker 5: more than it's worth. But the expertise on politicians, and
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  Speaker 5: particularly that one from Clara O'Neil of not answering the question,
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  Speaker 5: is you know Academy Worth award worthy? I think that's
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  Speaker 5: part of the reason why people are really tired of politicians.
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  Speaker 5: We just want a straight answer. It's a simple question.
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  Speaker 5: We just want a straight answer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that high dudgeon outrage Patrick from the minister
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  Speaker 2: there like it's it's the opposite, it's fault for asking
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  Speaker 2: the question.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think guys in the One Nations vive it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't it. I mean, the electric doesn't lock politicians. We
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  Speaker 4: think thy lie, we think thy deceive, and saying stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that really does galvanaze that point that they're not
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  Speaker 4: actually on as side. They're not trying to help, they're
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  Speaker 4: not trying to be transparent. And why do you say
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  Speaker 4: more and more examples locked out all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, well, I mean talking about people not
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  Speaker 2: liking politicians, Patrick, do just want to ask you about
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  Speaker 2: this idea too. You know, the Liberals aren't a bit
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  Speaker 2: of strife in the polls. I don't think that's any secret.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal frontbencher Melissa McIntosh represents a seat Seve Lindsay around
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  Speaker 2: Penrith in western New South Wales. She's had this idea
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  Speaker 2: that maybe the party needs to rebrand itself. Now the
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  Speaker 2: idea has been pretty much poo pooed by Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 2: and others saying it's a bit of a brain fart.
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  Speaker 2: But Patrick, what do you think about this is just
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  Speaker 2: simply putting a new label on an old tin. Going
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  Speaker 2: to do it for the Liberals?
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  Speaker 4: Oh look, Tanya, I've but send it straight out. If
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  Speaker 4: you're not the Liberals, and you're not the Liberals, you
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  Speaker 4: can't put a new name on it. The one point
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  Speaker 4: that Macintosh did make that that perhaps has some currencies
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  Speaker 4: the fact that the Liberals policies, the Coalition's policies aren't
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  Speaker 4: cutting through it. Oh they've actually, you know, they've abandoned
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  Speaker 4: net zero, they're talking about tax indexation. The electric I
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  Speaker 4: has barely heard of Angus Taylor and be totally unaware
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  Speaker 4: of these of these policies that may actually work if
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  Speaker 4: they were being sold properly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, I mean there are some good policies they
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  Speaker 2: have there and they've landed well, but you know, as
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  Speaker 2: you say, they just haven't cut through. Hey, before I
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  Speaker 2: let's go really fascinating story here. Employers have told a
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  Speaker 2: Senate inquiry that university graduates are relying too much on
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  Speaker 2: AI and they need more practical workplace skills. Colleen, I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to ask you what you're thinking about this, what
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  Speaker 2: you see out there in the marketplace here. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like this is kind of a bit of a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a you know, giving a bit of an up
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  Speaker 2: to the idea that actually people humans will always have
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  Speaker 2: it over AI, no matter how many clever things AI
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  Speaker 2: seems to be able to do.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's right. I mean, you know, AI can
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  Speaker 5: write a university paper for you quite simply, and obviously
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  Speaker 5: the test is whether you know your stuff when you
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  Speaker 5: get out into the workforce. But what's interesting about this
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  Speaker 5: is the propensity to not consider as a student the
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  Speaker 5: personality skills, the planning skills, the interrelationship skills, the confidence
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  Speaker 5: to present your ideas, and all of those human characteristics
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  Speaker 5: that are so required in workplaces, and actually more so
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  Speaker 5: in some cases than the actual specific and miniskill knowledge,
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  Speaker 5: because you can learn that as you go or you
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  Speaker 5: can look it up. It's the human component that is
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  Speaker 5: often your employability, whether you're reliable, whether you turn up
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  Speaker 5: on time, all of those things. And AI can do
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  Speaker 5: certain part elements of a job, and you know, the
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  Speaker 5: cats out of the bag. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 5: put away anytime soon. So it's not that it should
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  Speaker 5: never be used as far as I'm concerned, but it
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  Speaker 5: is a warning shot to particularly university students about the
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  Speaker 5: skills that they're currently not developing, and particularly those universities
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  Speaker 5: where they do a lot and way too much online
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  Speaker 5: and not enough practical components within their course, so that
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  Speaker 5: the students come out at the other end having had
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  Speaker 5: industry experience. That's really missing in a lot of courses.
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  Speaker 5: And I think employers are absolutely desperate for that component
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  Speaker 5: to come back.
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  Speaker 2: And Patrick just very quickly, I mean, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: and I both work in an industry where there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of talk about AI and what it means for us.
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  Speaker 2: But is there a danger here that AI actually winds
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  Speaker 2: up making people stupid or rather than smarter.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Look, those Uni students mean taught not to think properly,
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  Speaker 4: as Colain said, They're not being taught how to deal
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  Speaker 4: with a bad boss, or to get on at work,
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  Speaker 4: or to deal with a colleague who's got bo All
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  Speaker 4: those things are very good, but these are critical aspects
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  Speaker 4: to go into work, aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, a colleague with boh, that's the worst. But
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  Speaker 2: thank god I've got a really good boss, Patrick Culley,
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  Speaker 2: and thank you so much for your time, really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: it well. The likely next Prime Minister of the UK,
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  Speaker 2: Andy Burnham, has said he would expand the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 2: Office to Manchester in the north of England and create
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  Speaker 2: a Number ten North if he becomes the next Labor leader.
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  Speaker 2: The departing Greater Manchester mayor said he would handpower from
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  Speaker 2: Westminster to the UK cities and regions and make central
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  Speaker 2: government quote more streamlined.
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  Speaker 12: The change will be driven through the Prime Minister's Office
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  Speaker 12: in an extended operation based here in Manchester. It will
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  Speaker 12: be about offering new opportunities to extend evolution in Scotland,
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  Speaker 12: Wales and Northern Ireland by taking power deeper down. Number
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  Speaker 12: ten North will be the nerve center of a rewired
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  Speaker 12: Britain would.
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  Speaker 2: Kill him to put on a tie anyway. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: now for more on this is barrister and UK broadcaster
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Eborn. Andrew, welcome to the program. And this Andy
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  Speaker 2: Burnham guy, I mean, is he for real? This whole
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  Speaker 2: idea of moving power to the north. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: an awful lot of heart air. It seems like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of kind of pretense. But I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: anything that actually changed in terms of fixing all the
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  Speaker 2: many great problems that unfortunately right now seem to afflict
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  Speaker 2: your country.
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  Speaker 1: It was certainly a tsunami of sound bites, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I've met Andy. He's a very personal guy and certainly
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  Speaker 1: a bit more personable and relatable than Sirka Starmer, the
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  Speaker 1: robotic Sirka Starmer. But basically he's launched his formal campaign
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  Speaker 1: to become the next labor leader. Following Sakia Starmer's final
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: U turn where he said he was going to fight
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: any contest, he decided he was just going to step
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: down and pave the way for what I think will
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: be a coronation of Andy Burnham. Andy Burnen's central message
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was Westminster is broken and that's going to relate to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: basically a lot of people here in the UK. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: always say trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and trust in politicians. Trust in what's happened in Westminster
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: is certainly at an all time load. So the message
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: will certainly one that will be supported on all sides.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And as you say, the flagship proposal is to have
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: what's a permanent number ten North what he calls the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: nerve center of a rewired Britain. And all of that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: obviously going to hit the headlines and you can get
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: those sound bites beautifully written in the script. The devil,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of course is in the detail. Let's see what that means.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: But he's going to be transferring significant powers over transport, housing,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: skills and economic development basically to England's cities and regions.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: And he argues that growth cannot be ordered from the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: top down, it can only be nurtured from the bottom up.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And what is also promising is that sort of equivalent
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: living conditions in all parts of Britain. What he says,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: imagine growth in every postcode and hope in every heart.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Very Lenin, I would say, or maybe Lenin depends on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: how you look at it. And what's interesting, James, I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was looking at the Office of National Statistics basically for
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: life expectancy rates, and they said, the huge difference between
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the north and the south of England and the north
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of places like Scotland and so on and so forth.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And just to give you some statistics in England, the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: lowest life expectancy birth across all sorts of local areas
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: is actually in Blackpool, a great place, but the lowe's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: life expectancy there's seventy three point seven years of men
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and seventy nine point one for women. You compare that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to down south and in Heart in Hampshire it's eighty
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: three point seven years for men, and in Kensington and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Chelsea not too far from me at Regent's Park is
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: eighty seven point one years. So there's a massive difference
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in that life expectance. Sure he's going to try and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: equalize that and basically make it more equitable for everybody.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but how was he going to do that? I mean,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't see anything in all of that about you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: what is policies around the hot button issues of like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: immigration or breaks in or well fear spending or grooming
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: gangs or anything else or is going to be. It
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: just sounds like this is going to be him throwing
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of money around to his Labor council mates
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: up in the North Well.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: He did say he's going to make sure it's fully costed.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: This was It's a tsunami of sound bites. The detail, however,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: has not yet been disclosed. We need to look at
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that sort of side. And also it's not that I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: know you're discussing beforehand. Is he really Prime Minister designate.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The reality is he probably will be as I predicted
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: as a result of Where's Streeting stepping aside and throwing
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: his support behind Andy Burnham as soon as basically announced
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: he's going to stand. He's now been nicknamed by me
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: as Coronation Streeting as a sort of tip to our
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: soap opera over here. I do think it will be
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a coronation. I do think it's a good opportunity. But
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: just in terms of timing, the official thing is the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: ninth of July the Laborship that the Labor leadership nominations
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: are open. They basically they close on the sixteenth of July.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: If he's the only nominee, then we're going to have
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: him in power straight from Manchester Mayor to Prime Minister
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: on the seventeenth of July. That's the earliest. If there
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: is a contest, James, what happens, It basically goes on
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: until the first of September. So we're going to have
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: this sort of hiatus if you like. Well, everybody's waiting
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: for something to happen, but he's basically getting out there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He's trying to get to know the different people. He
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was sort of a wonderful reception he had down here.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: People love him. It is that great hope and interesting
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: about hope when you heard his speech when the by
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: election results were declared. Next to him was this wonderful
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: chap in a white stetson and white suit who is
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: from the Monster Raving Looney Party and his name is
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Alan Lord, screaming hope basically give us hope. But every
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: time Andy Burnham said hope, he would sort of pop
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: up and say, yes, that's me, which I love, but
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I also have a good shout out to the Monster
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Raving Looney Party. When the King's Honors were made for
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the King's birthday, they also bestowed their own titles. They
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: made me Lord Eborn County born and lots of other
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: alliterative things like the King of Conversation and the Prince
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of Peace and so on and so forth. So a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: big shout out for them for putting satire into politics,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: because I always say, James, the problem the winner always
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in elections is apathy. We need to get people to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: care about the issues and to actually vote. And I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: do think what's happened for Andy Burnham it was a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: vote for him personally rather than the Labor Party. And
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the last election over here was already a negative vote.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: People were so fed up with the Conservatives they just
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to change. It didn't matter who it was, really
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and if you look at the results of that election,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Labour actually got fewer votes than they did in the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: previous two elections.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as the risk of being cynical, though,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: how long, oh, come on, allow me to be a
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: little cynical here. How long does he realistically have before
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the milk kerdles on this one? I mean, if he
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't affect real change within what ninety days, six months?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe at the max, we're all going to be in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the same place, aren't we.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right, and that's what people are going
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to do politics itself throughout the world is based on
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: disappointment and lend hope again, isn't it. Everyone who comes
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in they say, oh, this this person is going to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: change everything. Well, the change that people really want is
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the change in their pocket, so we need to see that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But Keir Starmer is going to go down in history
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: as the shortest term for any Labor prime minister. What
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: humiliation for him. But Andy Burnham, as I say, we've
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: got an election in not so far away, could also
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have a short term if he's clever. At the moment,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the right is fragmented over here. There are so many parties.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: You've got the Conservatives, you've got the talk wise tidal
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: waivers I call it of reform. You've got to restore
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Britain used to have advanced UK but that's now retreated
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: because ben Ha Bieber's rolled over and said well it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: not worth competing really. But the people are going to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: be fragmented and you've got three four different parties on
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the right so called right. People are basically going to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: decide between them as a result of which the biggest
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: beneficiary is undoubtedly the Labor Party.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance so very quickly that Restore, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I know that there's talk of them fracturing the vote
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: on the right, but by creating that flank on the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: far right there makes Reform actually look in relative terms
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: a bit more centrist.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Well that people have argued that, and I know all
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the characters involved. I've just spoken to Nigel many times
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and also Rupert Lowe, who is restored. His result was
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: phenomenal in the local council elections. He got ten out
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of ten seats in Great Yarmouth. He got about seven
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: percent in the recent election. But the reality is this,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you're going to fragment the rights anyway. So it looks
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: as though Reform are decreasing their vote as a result
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of it, and people going to decide, Okay, do I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: prefer these policies to the other. When I've talked to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Ben Habieber about Advance UK and Restore and basically that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: sort of side, he said, look, there's a cigarette paper
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: between their policies, so it wasn't worth doing both.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, Andrew, we're gonna have to leave there. Thank
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you so much for your time, Really appreciate the chat
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and speaking again soon still to come and left. He
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: is losing it. He lost all the layers from the US,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: including a Democratic congressional nominees, deleted tweets praising communism. Koshagata
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: is next, and now it's time for a bit of
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: lefties losing it, And well, the lefties really are losing
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it in the United States because they've created a monster
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: they can't seem to control with the new and seemingly
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: unabashed enthusiasm Democrats now have for socialism. Check out what
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: happened here when old school Democrat Joe Manchin here on
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Fox with my good mate Brian Kilmead learned the news
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that sixty two percent of his fellow Democrats are now
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: totally okay with the S word socialism.
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: Sixty two percent of Democrats say they prefer socialimobile capitalism.
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: If they did, and by god, there's no Democratic party left.
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: That's crazy. That is crazy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 14: It's true.
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: That is absolutely in satisfy. You want to ask, if
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: you want to ask me, if you want to ask me, Well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: that's another reason why I'm not registered as a Democrat.
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: I can't put up with that crazy. That's nuts.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That is nuts. But as nuts as that is, it's
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: not as weird as well. This a joint Palestinian trans
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Pride flag. This photo was snapped in a recent Pride parage.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Somewhere in the United States said, look, I don't know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I just think this is kind of one of those
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: oil and water don't and shouldn't mix situations, getting those
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: two ideologies mixed up. But you know what, it is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: interesting how the attempt to make everything queer is now
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: paying lower and lower returns. The new Supergirl movie has
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: been something of a flop, costing one hundred and eighty
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: six million dollars to make and grossing just thirty eight
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: million at the box office. And gee, look at one
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of the stars talking about how Supergirl doesn't live inside
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the gender byern binary. I wonder why the movie has
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: gone so poorly.
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: I have many queer friends, so honestly, I'm kind of honor.
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: I'm on it that's happening. But I think because she
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: doesn't live inside the binary of what we think a
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: woman should be, that that is what makes us so
• 27:24
  Speaker 15: special and so exciting and so new.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just the way that she talks and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: drags out the last syllable. But let's go back to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: politics for a second, specifically in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Mayor
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Jacob Fry was seen here helping the local community celebrate
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Independence Day. No no, no, no, not the Independence Day
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of the United States July fourth, which turns two hundred
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and fifty years old on Saturday. No no, no, no, no no.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: He's there celebrating the independence of Somalia.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: We all thought said they tried to come before some
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: of us, and when that happens, we say that you're
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: coming for all of us in Minneapolis. We love our
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: neighbors in Minneapolis. We do not see you as immigrants.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: We see you as our family. Who laaaaaa, you are brothers,
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: you are our sisters. You have done so much for
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: this incredible city.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, Somali's have done so much from Minneapolis. Why the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: city wouldn't exist with them would never have been founded,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and they certainly wouldn't be home to so many quality
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: leering centers. Finally, though, well let's go to Canada and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: meet the newest candidate for the mayor of Hamilton, Ontario.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: I knew I wanted to run for mayor when Andrew
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: Horvath refused to meet with me when I was the
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: victim of a hate crime and we were at the
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: safety summit and she had her communications person, Amanda Knaird,
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: stand in front of me like I was a feral
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: dog when I actually just wanted to be respected. That's
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: when I knew I wanted to run for mayor.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I've heard of sock puppet candidates, but that is ridiculous.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: But joining me now is Sky News contributor Kosha Gada. Kosha,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Here. Wanted to chat about a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: few things tonight here. But one of them here is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the memoirs of First Lady Jill Biden. That's doctor Jill Biden.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: We have to get that right. So my brows have
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: been raised after her memoirir popped up to the very
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: top of the New York Times bestseller rankings and then
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: fell right away. And the sharp drop has sparked allegations
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that the book reached the top through orchestrated buying campaigns
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: instead of real consumer demands. Now, the Times has never
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: fully disclosed how it calculates its influential bestseller lists. But Kosha,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: this idea that people use book contracts as a way to,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you know, give money to prominent politicians and people. They
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: might think it's going to open doors for them. I've
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: heard this before. But what could people be helping to
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: get out of the Bidens?
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: Great question, Jane's way to Bert. There's always it is
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: an open secret that people do this, and they sort
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: of astro turf or jumpstart book sales and even other
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: projects that these people do the revolving door of politicians
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: and then influence on the back end of it. Who knows.
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: I think the Bidens do remain a powerful family, even
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: if they're on their way out and their best days
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: are certainly behind them. They're very well connected. Biden has
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: been in public offices we know for half a century,
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: so that there's probably some value there. I also think
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: that maybe some of it was because we know that
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: this was one of the largest scandals ever, the cover
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: up of his cognitive decline, and I think people were
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: probably hoping, I certainly was that there was some strict
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: titbits that Jill Biden went front row seats to that
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: whole debacle might have revealed in the book, But alas,
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: I don't think so, and that's why the true organic
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: demand has plummeted.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's the thing what we've seen
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: from Jill Biden when she goes out Kosha to do
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: interviews promoting this book, and honestly, I mean, I know
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I suffer from insomnia, but I can't imagine what would
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: make me pick that thing up to try and go
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: go back to sleep. But she's been entirely unapologetic and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: said oh no, no, no, no, Like the debate performed and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: she said, oh, well, you know, I thought something was
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: wrong with it because I've never seen them like that before.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Why would anybody believe these guys?
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: No, nobody's ever going to believe them. Maybe there was
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: hope that there would be some Freudian slip or reveal,
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: but I guess all it's revealing is that they are
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: true until the bitter end. She is going to stick
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: to that cover up and try to pretend that she
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: didn't know what was going on, even though the whole
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: world saw multiple instances of his cognitive decline. She is
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: living with him, and nobody believes for one second. She
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: doesn't come off looking well in the whole Biden story anyway,
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: she earned that moniker of Lady Macbeth for reason, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: I don't think this book, unfortunately for her, absolved her
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: of that reputation.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I'm here in rumors that they're
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: not even going to be able to raise enough money
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: for a presidential library, So I guess let them enjoy
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the book royalties. But moving on to other areas of
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Democrat politics. Democrat congressional nominee Daria Liza Avila Chevalier, what
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a fantastic name. She's under fire after CNN uncovered an
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: old Twitter account of hers in which she said all
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: sorts of things, but including said that black and Arab
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: men are fetishizing ugly colonizer women and that they shouldn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: date white women. She said Karl Marx's dosc copy tal
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: was an essential must read. She complained that public libraries
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: did not carry enough Marxist literature by Vladimir Lenin. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: of course, this lady was also endorsed by New York
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: City mayor Zoron Mamdania, and unless the bizarre happened, she's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: going to be seated as a congressional representative Kosher. The
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Democrats seem to have a big problem on their hands
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: here with this hard left communist group that's basically taking
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: over the party.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: They sure do. This group is ascendant, There's no question
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: about it. She and two other of her colleagues defeated
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: the establishment candidates, including Dan Goldman of Levi Strauss fame,
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: and he was an ardent Biden supporter. She Chevillier definitely
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: a tough name to pronounce, Unforce she We're all going
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: to have to get used to it. She defeated somebody
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: who is a member the leader of the Hispanic Caucus
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: and an incumbent in the Democrat Party in the United
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: States Congress. So these people are players, and they have
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: defeated the establishment wing for sure, and New York being
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: what it is, even though this was just a primary,
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: they are on a glide path to victory and they
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: absolutely are going to be sitting United States Senators come November.
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: That is going to exacerbate the problem. These guys are
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: kind of like AOC and the Squad on steroids and
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: more extreme some of the stuff that you read from
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: her tweets, and she's not going to be able to
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: scrub fast enough. It's going to be out there, and
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: that's what the establishment wing is now going to have
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: to contend with. So good luck to them.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Well, Kosha, this kind of brings up the question, now
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: this insurgent wing here in some ways it feels like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and I know there are key differences. I mean, the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: MAGA movement doesn't hate America. These communists actually explicitly talking
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: about tearing down America. But there feels to be something
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: similar to the way ten years ago the MAGA movement
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: essentially took over the Republican Party because Republicans didn't feel
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like or conservatives didn't feel like the Republicans were representing
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: their interest. Is the same thing happening here. Do you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: think that Democrats who pull very favorably to hard left
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: ideas socialism, more government interference in the economy and a
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: lot of other things on the program, they say, oh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the mainstream Democrats, those establishment Democrats, they're not radical for us,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and they want to take over the Democrats and the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: same way that MAGA took over the GOP, for sure.
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: But I think you put your finger on the key
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: point there, James, that the MAGA wing certainly doesn't hate America.
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: They were populists and they wanted or returned to domestic
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: issues and deportations and stemming the tide of unchecked immigration
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: and all the rest of it. The Tea Party movement
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: was sort of the precursor to MAGA, and it was
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: all about small government and lower taxation and all of
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: that versus here it's something else. It's completely unrecognizable just
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: looking at some of her posts and tweets. What they
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: want is something that isn't and never was America or
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: anything that was part of the foundation of America. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: it's definitely more dangerous. But I think your point about
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: the wings to the right or to the left dragging
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: the establishment further into that direction is absolutely happening. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: maybe there's a broader undercurrent that people, especially young people
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: in the electorate, have been forgotten. They can't buy a house,
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: they can't find a job, the economy is terrible, their
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: prospects are quite gloomy compared to their predecessors, previous generations.
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: And when that happens, you see the electorates are of
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: lashing out in a different way. And in some cases
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: it's because they're embracing maybe the other side, but in
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: other cases it could also be that they're just tired
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: of the establishment because the establishment is not serving them,
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: and then this is what you get.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's the really interesting thing too, because
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: some people have pointed out that the number of people
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: who actually voted for characters like the Chevalier woman was
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: actually a small, very small portion of the electorate I play,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I've played clips from their victory parties. I think last
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: night they are a very white, young, upper middle class
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: group that's actually behind these groups. How much of this,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: as you say, could be coming from this idea that
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: these are the downwardly mobile children of the middle and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: up middle class. They've come to New York, they find
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that it's too expensive, the jobs that they wanted aren't there,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and that this is a sort of revolutionary acting out
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: because they haven't been given lifestyle that they think they deserve,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: you know, not the one that their degrees and whatever
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: can provide them. And is that destabilizing to a society, But.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's certainly part of it. It sort
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: of explains the rise of Trump and that populist wing
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: on the right and then on the left. If you
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: even go back to Bernie Sanders, who's not even these
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: guys make him look moderate. I believe he was definitely
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: a diet in the world's socialist but not as crazy
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: on some of the other social issues and whatnot. He
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: was a symptom of that. And when Hillary Clinton, very
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: establishment sort of took the nomination from him, as we
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: all remember in twenty sixteen. That doesn't go away the
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: dissatisfaction of one faction for sure of the electorate on
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: the right and the left. But I also think it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: a coalition of the fringes on the left where there's
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: just your garden variety leftist who feels oppressed and everything
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: in the world has to be colored in those racial
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: terms there in there. The Israel issue is certainly animating
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: and the right right now and a divide. So that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: another piece of the position that Chibilier and others have
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: taken versus the establishment wing. So it's sort of a
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: medley and hodgepodge of different anger points that are animating
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: the base. And then these people become the beneficiaries of that,
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: I guess, and they can seize the void. And even
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: though it's fringe, they are going to be a very
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: loud fringe in the United States Congress and they're going
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: to unfortunately drag the party and the country further and
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: further to the left.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is not great. And you know, it is
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: crazy that this idea of tearing down America the US
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: is bet celebrated, is two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: weekend at Here's to two hundred and fifty and many more.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump has warned that security is watching over
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the monuments in DC after all of these issues with
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the reflecting pool and other vandalism. He has promised to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: repair the Lincoln Monument reflecting pool after the country's editors
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: is celebration. But it seems a bit sad that there's
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: also all these people who seem to want to tear
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: down the great monuments of Washington, d C. Because they
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: don't like Trump.
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: Yes, they don't like Trump. We're back to these people
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: who are perpetually oppressed. They don't like Robert E. Lee,
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: they don't like Thomas Jefferson, they don't like a Ram Lincoln.
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: So there's some of that. A lot of it is
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: just that they don't like Trump and they don't like
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: handing him a success, even if it takes the form
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: of clean, orderly streets and monuments without algae and moss
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: on them, which is something that everybody would think would
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: get behind, but they can't. And it's really funny because
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: Trump is only in this position because of what happened
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: in twenty twenty he ran again. We all know that story.
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: And now he happens. He won, and he happens to
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: be the sitting president while the two hundred and fiftieth
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: anniversary is taking place. He likes to joke he also
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: has the Olympics, he also has a World Cup. All
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: of that's happening under his tenure, and so it's a
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: great opportunity for him. He is a builder, and he
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: has long decried how terrible DC, the seat of power
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: and the welcoming lobby of world leaders, looks in terms
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: of the infrastructure and the decaying monuments and all that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: And so that's something that he wants to do. And
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: if the vandals on the left can't handle it, I
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: think they're going to find themselves on the wrong side
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: of law enforcement. Certainly on July fourth. Then the celebrations
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: that follow.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Up, well yeah, look absolutely, But it's just so pathetic
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to me, Cocha that people want to just vandalize things
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: for the sacred just because they don't like the president.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But anyway, hey, I want to close with this story here.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: A French politician has blamed the US for the record
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: breaking heat wave in Europe because who knew it gets
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: hot in the Northern Hemisphere in summer. Turns out, the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Deputy Mayor of Paris for International Relations, Audrey Pulvar, said
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this quote. As the second largest emidder of greenhouse gas
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: emissions in the world, you bear a significant amount of
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: responsibility for global warming and the consequences we in France
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: are experiencing. Your cities, which are ninety percent air conditioned,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: are not unrelated to this kosher god of this anti
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: air conditioning, anti technology nonsense from the French. Look, if
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you really believe climate change was the whole thing that
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it is because of CO two, surely they'd be mad
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: at China first, of course.
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: But that's what we're here for, James. We're here to
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: take the blame from the whole world, certainly from the Europeans.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: Also to defend them, I would add as well, but
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: that's another story. I think you know, they know that
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: it's such a farce. Every time these heat waves happen
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: in the summertime over there, people die. It actually can
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: get quite dire, and that has happened from heatstroke and
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: the like. And they have all these ridiculous policies to
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: ban things like air conditioning and everything else, and then
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: they need to find a bogeyman to point to as
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: opposed to changing course or accepting their own fault in
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: these ridiculous policies, and so that's what they're there for.
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: We all know it's a complete joke if you want
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: to do anything to save the planet. China, India, these
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: are the populations that are making a bigger dent, certainly
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: not France or Australia for that matter. But they don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: want to do or can point to those countries, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: so it's very easy to keep picking on the US.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: And that's what that politician did.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And indeed, Coach, it's just amazing to be because France
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: gets so much of its electricity from clean green nuclear power.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that they aren't all firing up the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: ac in gay Pari. Kosha. Gotta thank you so much
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: for your time. As always, coming up, the President is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: forced to pay Egen Carol five million dollars after its
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court appeal fails. Alex Stein joins me next to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: discuss this and a whole lot more. Welcome back to
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the program. James Morrow, sitting in here for Rita all week.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Joining me now on the program is comedian and host
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of after Hours with Alex Stein, none other than you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: guessed it, Alex Stein. Alex, great to see you again.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I want to have a chat about some stuff that's
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: happened here in the US Supreme Court. I thought that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: this came was pretty weird. They declined to hear President's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Trump's appeal against a verdict in favor of the journalist
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: and author e Jene Carroll. And it comes after a
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: jury found in favor of the magazine columnist after she
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: alleged Trump was liable for defamation and sexual abuse. The
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: US President has called miss Carroll's case weaponized. Alex this
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: whole case from the start has seemed frankly and I
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: know we're supposed to believe all women, but a bit
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: unbelievable some of the stuff that she alleged the president
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: of the you know, before he was president did it
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: seems very odd that he can't appeal against this ruling.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: You know, it is odd, but it seemed like a
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: lot of the rulings that with the Supreme Court, whether
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: it was you know, Barrett going against the you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 16: what is it, birthright citizenship or having mail in ballots after.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: The date of the election.
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: You know, you would have thought that maybe some of
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: the Supreme Court justices sort of swung in Trump's favor,
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: but they didn't.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: So I guess I'm not that surprised. And you know what,
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Trug just needs to.
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: Pay this woman five million dollars and just never talked
• 44:07
  Speaker 16: to her ever again, because she's a crazy woman. You know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 16: there's a time Laman, I think when it comes in
• 44:12
  Speaker 16: situations like this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: But regardless, she won her day in court.
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: Trump needs to give her five million dollars and hopefully
• 44:18
  Speaker 16: I never hear that name eg and Carroll ever again.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, look, Alex, I agree with you. It's a
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: pretty self indulgent matter. But it does seem a shame.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: But a five million dollar check gets cut over all
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: of this. But hey, let's stick with the Supreme Court
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: because actually, you know, I know you said there's been
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: some odd rulings, but there was one I think pretty
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: positive ruling in favor of President Trump enabling him to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: fire leaders of independent agencies or commissions. And this is
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: all over came over after the President fired Rebecca Slaughter
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: last year. She had been commissioner of the Federal Trade Commission. Alex,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: this seems like, well, A, it's a good win, but B,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: why do you need the Supreme Court to affirm the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: idea that the executive as set down in the Constitution
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is well the executive.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Well that's what I'm saying. I feel like the Supreme
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: Court has way too much power.
• 45:10
  Speaker 16: And as soon as the Democrats get in charge, they're
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: gonna they're gonna literally pack it with as many liberal
• 45:15
  Speaker 16: judges as possible, so it's kind of all fake and
• 45:18
  Speaker 16: they can really manipulate it if they want.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: So, you know, I am, I am.
• 45:22
  Speaker 16: Surprised, But at the end of the day, this is
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: the this is the problem. It's we that people reverse
• 45:27
  Speaker 16: the system, and the system will always win because they
• 45:29
  Speaker 16: can always you know, rig it in their favorite James,
• 45:32
  Speaker 16: you know how it is in Australia and it's not
• 45:33
  Speaker 16: much different here in America.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, Look we've got our own political class
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: problems here. But you know, you mentioned that whole idea
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of packing the court. This would seem to me, like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: why the twenty twenty eight election is absolutely so crucial
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: because the Democrats have been very clear, haven't they, Alex
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: about what they intend to do, including packing the Supreme Court.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: But also try to give statehood to places like Washington,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: d C. And Puerto Rico. This would allow them to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: really run the table, wouldn't it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: Well, yeah, we'ld give them more congressional representation if they
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: could label DZ a state. And the fact that Puerto Rico,
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: which shouldn't be a state, but they're going to fight
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: for it. So we say this kind of facetiously, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: they have a seriously strong ground game and they do
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: not care about any of the old traditional, you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: traditions of America.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: They want to create to New America.
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: Forget fifty states, they want fifty two states, as long
• 46:23
  Speaker 16: as they're voting for Democrats.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean FDR tried all that, but it
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: was too much for people back then. I'm not sure.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure to be too much for people now,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: or at least in twenty twenty nine or beyond. Hey,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: last night, and I talked about this on the show,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Bill Maher saying some somewhat sensible things about the communist
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: wave taking over the Democrat Party. I can't believe I'm
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: gonna talk about him again tonight, but he's praised President
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, saying that he enjoys seeing him confront journalists
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: in ways that he would not have a look at this.
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: Sometimes when I see Trump just speak his compleet internal
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: monologue without you know, doing things that it's just like
• 47:02
  Speaker 14: he will say something And the one I'm thinking of
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: is like I've wanted to say that he just when
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: he was somebody picked him off in an interview when
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: he just went, you're a terrible person. And it's like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: I can't deny you've wanted there's a moment or I
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: would do. That's exactly what I was thinking.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: Sure, you're a terrible person.
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: It's not a sincere question. It's a gotcha thing. It's
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: a you know, virtue signaling thing. Sure you don't believe
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: it in yourself, but I don't.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope no one would ever accuse me of
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: asking gotcha questions or virtue signaling Alex. But I do
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: think there's a point there. I think the Trump kind
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: of his everybody is sort of id in the back
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of the head when it comes to some of these
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: journals out there.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: I think you're exactly right, like he says what we're feeling.
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: But you know, if you really look at these clips,
• 47:52
  Speaker 16: because I watch a lot of these Bill Mark clips.
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: There's one that he does on his HBO show where
• 47:57
  Speaker 16: he tries to sound so smart. He's front of in
• 47:59
  Speaker 16: front of the live studio audience. He has a long
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: monologue and he's always trying to make some fancy schmancy point.
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: But I kind of like his view points.
• 48:06
  Speaker 16: When he's in his basement and he's on the marijuana
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: and he's drinking.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: That's kind of the real Bill maher.
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: So you know, whether I'm not saying you should indulge
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: in that stuff, but I'm saying he does have two viewpoints.
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: Sometimes he's anti Trump and sometimes when he's in that
• 48:20
  Speaker 16: you know, basement smoking adoobie or whatever he's smoking on
• 48:23
  Speaker 16: I'm sure it's legal in the state of California, his
• 48:25
  Speaker 16: opinion changes a little.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Oh well, what's illegal in the state of California, And I'm
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: not sure anything anymore. Hey, finally, Alex Sarah Gonzalez. She's
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a friend of this program and she was recently kicked
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: out of a Democratic convention after trying to interview some
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: of the attendees. Have a look at this moment where
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: one woman pulls down her mask to try and infect Sarah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: This is hilarious.
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: Do you believe in voter ad I'm going, y'all want
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: to take a picture of love it?
• 48:53
  Speaker 17: What position of James Hillerico's do you support the most?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I can't talk to you right now, but thanks.
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: Why can't you talk to me because.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I'm breathing hard and I can't put earplugs in my ear?
• 49:03
  Speaker 17: Have you have you thought about maybe removing the mask?
• 49:05
  Speaker 17: It's twenty twenty six.
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: I have chronic epstein bar virus. Would you like it
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: would work?
• 49:12
  Speaker 17: But the masks don't work, ma'am? Thank you for trying
• 49:17
  Speaker 17: to give me a virus. Yeah, lovely people.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I think is that a salt?
• 49:22
  Speaker 17: I don't know.
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: I feel assaulted, Alex.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I gotta have been to a flashback back to you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: getting yelled at in the supermarket for not wearing a
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: mask in twenty twenty. What did you make of that?
• 49:32
  Speaker 16: I mean that was literally chemical warfare. She's trying to
• 49:35
  Speaker 16: get her sick by you know, giving her a e
• 49:37
  Speaker 16: fstein bar. But then I will say this, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 16: it was probably one hundred and two degrees in.
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: That video in Galveston. So give me a break.
• 49:43
  Speaker 16: I hope you don't ever have to go back to
• 49:44
  Speaker 16: wearing masks when it's one hundred and ten degrees outside.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, but you know those people, they loved their masks,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: They love them so much, and some of them they
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: can't get rid of them. Alex Side, thank you so
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: much for your time, as always, always a real hoot
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to chat. That's all for me. Stick around because newsnight
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: is next. Bye bye
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: M