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🍑 Real Housewives of Atlanta Reunion Part 3 Recap w/ Jaime Moyer & Lindsay Clancy Verdict Watch, Tupac Case & Bravo Tea · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.
• 0:04
  Speaker 2: Welcome back in. It's Atlanta reunion part three day. And
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: guess who's here to do it with me? Jamie Moyer. Jamie.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Welcome in. I'm so excited to see you.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Welcome in.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: That's the sassy way to say it. I have the
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: greatest pull, like audio pull as a drop from this episode.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: You have no way to sleep. You broke bed. You
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: broke bed. You broke bed. I can't.
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. You have it written on your.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a tattoo on my fucking body.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: New teeth and nowhere to sleep. You broke bitch. I
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: swear to you. Oh, my God. That was the read
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: of a lifetime. Top tier read.
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: And Angela has like she has leveled up to a degree.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: You know, the first season, we were all unsure because
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: she was pushing it. And self-admittedly, she said she pushed it. But, like,
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: and I was all in with her this season. And
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: she just kept getting better and better. And, boy, did
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: she turn it out in the reunion. But that's just
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: a little teaser. Before we get into that, I really
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: just want to talk about two things in Dish today.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Serving Dish. We are on Verdict Watch for the Lindsay
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Clancy trial. It is day four, and day four has
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: come to an end. The jury has not come to
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: a verdict, but it turns out that they were they
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: had to come out and tell. Well, they sent a
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: note and they said, we are unable to reach a
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: unanimous decision. So as soon as you did.
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: I was watching a tick tock where I get all
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: my lawyer courthouse hot takes from the average as you should.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: And this one guy goes, he goes, it's going to
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: be a hung jury because it's past a certain point
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: of like there's a time where they're supposed to kind
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: of put in a thing where it's like we're close. But,
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and they didn't do it. He goes, it's
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to be unanimous.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so now they they came back in. The
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: judge had him come back in and he was like,
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: all right, you don't have a unanimous decision. So I
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: just encourage you. to go back in there and come
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: back out. Go back in there and follow the instructions
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: that I told you. Take a look again, talk it over, deliberate, deliberate,
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: and then come back in. So, and you know what?
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: He can do that because there is a law in
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: Massachusetts where he can do that up to two times.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: He can tell them, Go back in your rooms and
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: do your homework. Okay, you're not done yet. You're not
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: allowed to come out until you're done.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: No supper.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: And you can do that up to two times according
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: to this law. After that, it would be a mistrial.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: So right now, they went back in. And I'm glad.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I said that they would not come to
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: a verdict immediately. for at least five days, at least.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: This was the end of the fourth day. Tomorrow will
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: be five. I honestly don't know if they're, now I'm
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: thinking it'll be six or seven, which was the long
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: end of my guess. Because when I was doing jury duty,
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: when I was a jury duty bish, okay.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: Preach and teach.
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. I was, I was homeless. I was toothless. I
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: was broke. I was sleeping at Shamia's and I was sleeping.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: I was sleeping with George. And for money. And I
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: had to do jury duty for the, what was it,
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: $ 19 a day? Something like that. It was good. It
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: was good money. That's gas, baby.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: That's gas.
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Well, they paid for gas, too.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: Ooh, 19 on top of gas?
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Anyway, that's because it was grand jury. Grand jury,
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: you get paid more. But anywho, it's like there were
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: two cases that we had to decide. And when we
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: went to deliberate.
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: It was very complicated, almost because of the paperwork itself
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: and the language and the instructions. And I've said this once,
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: I'll say it again, you really get lost in the
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: dialogue and what means what, and then you're splitting hairs
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: and you kind of like back yourself into a corner
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: of semantics. So sometimes you have to step away, look
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: at the broad strokes and say, did the prosecution prove
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: that she did it. Did they prove that? They had
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: the burden of proof. What is their reasonable doubt? That
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: she didn't? You know, it's as simple as that. So
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: I hope that at the end of this, they will,
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  Speaker 2: their verdict is that she is not guilty and or
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: second choice, not guilty by reason of insanity. Those are
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: my two choices for what it should be. And I
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: really hope that's the case because I am I'm hoping,
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: I have said this before, I'll say it again, allegedly
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I do not think that Lindsay did it.
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: I think someone else did it. And that doesn't take
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: away from everything I've put towards the postpartum depression, anxiety,
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: psychosis discussion that we've had along the way, which I
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: think is so important in these times. And I think
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: that this case will probably change the course of our
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: knowledge and the education of postpartum psychosis and everything that
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: goes along.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so too.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: That's what we shall see.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: Well, let's say this number one, I have fallen down
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: that same rabbit hole of watching everything and, and the
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: theories and the things and so much doesn't add up, frankly.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I've told you already, I'm, I'm like 85%.
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: That she did not do it.
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: She did not do this. I'm 15% that she did
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: do this. And that sometimes in life, there are things
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: that are unbelievable that you can't really explain. You know, like,
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: of course, it's like, why send him to CVS for
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: medicine for someone who will cease to be? Things like that. Very,
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: you know, odd things and the watch stopping and the e-mail.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: You know, it reads like he fucking did it, okay?
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: Allegedly, in our opinion.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: If we're just joking around. In our opinion. We're just joshing, yeah.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: But also, what's sad to me is before I went
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole about him, I already felt that
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: she was not guilty by reason of temporary insanity and
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: psychosis of something that she attempted to get so much
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: help for and was failed at every turn. And I
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: am 100% that he was not a great husband or father.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: He's not very hands-on. He's a little bit like, I'll
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: drop you off at the hospital and go skiing, kike vibes,
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: you know. I don't help and I don't know how
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: to buy a medicine without a hand holding. So in
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: any case, I have never believed that she was a
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: premeditated Susan Smith vibes, you know, remember Susan Smith, that
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: terrible case.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: I'm getting more of a, you know, really awful torture,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: postpartum psychosis, and she'll be tortured and punished for the
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: rest of her life. She does not belong in jail,
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. But also I, 85 is a high
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  Speaker 1: number to say. this all, you know, it's a perfect crime.
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  Speaker 1: If someone says, I'm afraid I'm going to hurt the kids.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: And someone goes, I'm sick of this lady. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera. Right.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: Um, I hear you so loud and clear, and I
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: know that this is a very controversial topic and there
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: are people that are really on either side. And I mean,
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: I've been, um, And I get it, trust me. Like,
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: I really do understand.
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: Well, you're 100%. You're 99% he did it, right?
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: I'm 100. I am 100. I'll tell you right now
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: how 100 I am.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: I'm 150, baby.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: All right, well.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: Then I'll pop up to 87. I'm 87% sure he
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: also did it. I think you're right. You know, everything
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: is pointing that way. And also, just what a bumbled....
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: Investigation. That's, that's also, Oh, it's so awful. It's so awful.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I understand the eye rolls about the
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: rabbit holes that everyone has been down, but I also
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: am like, I am not necessarily a total sucker for
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: those rabbit holes because you know, the people on Tik TOK,
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you're going to get some crazy ass theories, but,
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: and sometimes those crazy ass theories are the ones that
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: actually crack the case. And the other ones, that are
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: just whatever, you can skim by them. And if they
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: don't have any legs, they're not gonna rise to the,
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: the cream rises to the top. So some of the
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: points that are made are usually, you can fact check
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: them on some level for the information that you have.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: But for me, even just watching the actual trial the
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: biggest part for me is the amount of time he
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: spent when he arrived at the house and he was
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: next to Lindsay and he called 911. And that whole transaction,
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: because he stayed with her for 10 minutes. before he
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: went downstairs to the basement to check on the kids.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: That's 10 minutes. Now, he was right next to the
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: window of the basement. We know that the light was
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: on because he said, and this is the trial. I'm
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: not going to be referencing TikTok, okay? I'm referencing just
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: the trial right now and his testimony. When he came home,
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: he went inside and it was quiet. He was like,
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: that's weird. So he went over to the basement, opened
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: the door, yelled down, To see if anybody was there,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: no one responded. Total silence. He did say that the
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: light was on. And he made mention that Lindsay always
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: leaves the light on. Sounded like a little slam to me,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: but whatever, Pat. Get your digs in. You're on the stand.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: So then he doesn't hear them in the house. So
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: he calls Lindsay as if... The house is, you know, 20,000
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: square feet. He calls her, you know, because he can't happen.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: He can't happen to find them. He thought, oh, maybe
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: I couldn't see her car in the driveway, even though
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: he saw it when he came up, whatever. So he
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: goes upstairs and he goes in the kids rooms first,
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't see him there. And the primary door is shut.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: He opens it up with the key because it was locked.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: And he sees the crime scene, Lindsay's crime scene for
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: what she did to herself. He runs outside because the
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: window is open. And then he runs up to her
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: and says, what did you do? Which is that everyone
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: has an eye. Look, okay, so give it to him, whatever.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: You don't ever know what you're gonna say in an emergency.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: Weird, right?
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: But still, I'll give it to him. What did you do?
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  Speaker 2: And she says with a crushed throat, I tried to
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: kill myself. And he says, where are the kids? And
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: she says, with a crushed throat, in the basement. She
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't say, I, you know, in the basement. Just in
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: the basement. wouldn't you be immediately running to the basement
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: because you just opened the basement door and no one answered?
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: You also didn't even look in the basement window, which
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: was not only less than two feet away from you,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: and we know that you could see something in there,
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: and by something, you know what I mean, because one
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: of the first responders came and he said on the
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: stand that when he heard Patrick yelling from the basement,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: he looked down into that window and saw Patrick with
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: something And so you could clearly visibly see. So why
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't Patrick at the very least look in the window
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: and why would he wait 10 minutes for the first
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: responders to get there only to when he saw them,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: he turned around and immediately went inside. Once he knew
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: that they saw him, he didn't get spotted in the
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: basement because that wouldn't be good, right? He got spotted
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: downstairs after he had already removed the items. So that
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: alone to me is like, I can hang my hat
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: on that. I can hang my hat right there. Who
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: waits 10 minutes, Jamie? That's what I ask you and everybody.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Well, and again, I don't know where everyone's landing with this.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I cannot hang my hat on that because I think
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: he's a dumb man and a shitty dad. And all
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: he thought was she tried to kill herself. And he's
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: not even that concerned about them because he's dingy. And
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really care. And he's thinking they're on their
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: iPads or whatever the hell. Like it is suspicious, Amy,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: for sure. But he strikes me as a absolutely void
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: human dingbat. So in that regard, I hear everything you're saying.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: And every move he made was dumb. But also like-
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Or premeditated.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Pretty much so. Yeah. You said, what did you do? Like,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: I would never even admit that.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: But also like he's upset because here's the thing. Like
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: she's already told him that she's had these disturbing thoughts
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: about doing that. So that's why he sucks.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Like, why did he not? If. That was an accusatory statement,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: which means like, oh, you finally did something that you
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: said you actually were talking about. But she said something
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: about the kids. So why wouldn't you immediately think, oh, no,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: if you were willing to do this, maybe you were willing.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: OK, so that that right there, you have hit the
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: nail on the head, which is why it is his fault,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: probably no matter what, because he he almost pushed her
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: into doing this because he liked the idea. You know
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: He was not a present husband. I fully think he
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: was cheating.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a motive. There's a motive.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a there's a new life. You know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: what does everyone on Tic Tac say? Nothing more dangerous
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: than a man that wants to start fresh. Oh, I mean,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: that's about two seconds from new teeth and nowhere to sleep.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: You broke bitch. It is a quote of the ages.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying. The things that are
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: compelling me is stuff like the table on top of
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the blood splatter, the hours of odd phone unlocking with
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: code and not face. And I hear what you're saying
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: about his behavior, but I never underestimate the weird shit
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: people do when they're, they don't know what to do,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: but you're right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's a fair point. I think that's an
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: absolute fair point. And you know, it's so wild because
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, we've all been like scraping through
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: this the best we can. And we basically have been
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: looking at all of the, like we can see some
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: of the evidence. We have the crime scene photos. We
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: have all the statements, the testimonies, like, so we can
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: actually look at all this and start and people are
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: just doing the math and it's just, it's interesting. Yeah.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I know that.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: One other thing though, I just have to say, The
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: math ain't mathin', okay? You know, that's why I'm such
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: a high percentage that he did it. The math ain't mathin'.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: There's so many odd things.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Because it's science. There's science and there's a time construct.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And when you put those two together, it's not fitting,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: you know? So, like, that's what's really tough about it.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, I did not go into this
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: thinking that she didn't do it. Not at all.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: So no, no, I was just so sad for people
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: who who are just so black and white about stuff,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: because I think she was absolutely in a mental health
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: crisis for months, if not years. I don't know. She
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: just was suffering. And also those poor children. I mean,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that's the saddest. It's the saddest thing. It's the saddest tale.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And no matter what happens to her, she is is never,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, her life is over in many, and if
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: not always.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And you know what? And his life over, but it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: not because he has a penthouse in Manhattan with a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: new wife and new baby. So he's fine running marathons
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: and going on trips.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's a terrible, he's a terrible husband and a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: terrible person. I'll be, I, I think that there's no question.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Honestly, like at the very beginning, Jamie, once I heard
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that all that stuff, I was like, I mean, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: was writing the tickets to this guy. This is a
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: get-go-free card for you. You are fine. You need to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: move on. Like, this is so horrific. It's okay. You
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: need to do a hard pivot and get out of here.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: You need to live a new life. Like, you need
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to do this. That's how I thought of it. And
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: then I watched the trial. I was like, excuse me?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: It's such a wild... But listen, this is my opinion.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a lot of people screaming at
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: their phones or their car when their car speakers, who knows? But,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe we'll find out someday and maybe we
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: never will.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what happened to JonBenet also.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I told you that's my first thing at the pearly gates.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened to that poor child? Well, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: hear you and every darling, I hope you can understand
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: our discussion and looking at all these angles. We just
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: love to look at every angle. And at the end
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of the day, it's a tragedy no matter how you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: slice it. Oh, my God.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It's awful. Now, another case that apparently went to court
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: and there is a verdict here is Tupac Shakur. CNN
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: says Dwayne Keefie D. Davis was found guilty of first
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: degree murder in the death of Tupac Shakur, which has
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: remained unsolved for nearly three decades. Davis is accused of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: plotting the 1996 killing during the Las Vegas strip and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is the only person ever charged in the murder. In
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: closing arguments, the prosecution argued that Davis, who they describe
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: as the shot caller and his crew, went hunting, that's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: in quotes, went hunting for Shakur. Davis's memoir, which details
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the shooting, should be considered an admission by Davis, despite
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it listing a co-writer, the prosecutor said. The defense said
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that Davis' recounting of the shooting in his memoir was, quote-unquote, fiction,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: also focusing on missing investigative records and a lack of
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: direct evidence. evidence. That's one.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. You know, right. You're writing a fictitious novel
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: about shooting blue block tech tour. Like what the hell? Unbelievable.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of Giselle from Potomac when she wrote
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a book about a pastor's wife. having an affair, like
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a fiction novel. It's like, oh, okay. So now what
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this, Jamal?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say, so I have been following this
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: for three decades. In the 90s, I was a huge
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: fan of Tupac and Biggie. I loved them. And I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: love Tupac Shakur from the movie Juice and Poetic Justice.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And I was so sad when he was murdered and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, that East coast, West coast stuff. I will
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: tell you, Amy, the name KPD has been around this
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: case for 30 years. Like it's, it's swirled and the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: media would have us believe that this was the East coast,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: West coast thing. And I, I actually think it wasn't,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was a case of, of revenge based on,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you know, things that we are not privy to, but
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I do not think it had anything to do with
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls at all. And I, I think that was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just a sensationalistic vibe that people wanted to set out.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So the name has been around this for a while. Yeah. Why?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Why now?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Like. Yeah. Great question. I don't know. I really don't know.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But it's it's good to solve unsolved crimes.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I guess. You know what?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I think that that's exactly what it is. It's like
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a cold case file that they pulled and they were like,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: let's go.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. OK.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Um, are you watching any other documentaries on Netflix or
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: are you watching the pastor's wife? Are you listening to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: something on a podcast called love trapped? Those are the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: two really trendy things, I guess, that are out right now.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Are you doing that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you for asking. The answer is no, I am
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not watching any documentaries right now because documentaries are giving
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: me anxiety right now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So I'm not.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I'm on a documentary break. I'm on a documentary break.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Um, That takes a lot of control.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Good job.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, like that takes discipline to say, you know what?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I am getting anxiety from this and I need to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: step away. I really respect that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Me, I just, yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Because I don't have that ability. I'm like, I'm getting anxiety.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Give me some more information.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm just in a place right now
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: where documentaries aren't appealing to me. So I've heard of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: those and I'm on a thread with some gals who
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: are watching those and they're loving them. I'm just not there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not there. I'm also trying to watch more movies now.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, I have my Bravo shows. Next Gen,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: The Valley, Atlanta, and I'm still chipping away at Potomac.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: So have you finished The Valley?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have. Now, did you know the Internet's a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: titter that perhaps Brock and Sheena come in and Danny
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and Nia go out? Have you seen that?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I have not seen that. And do you think it's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: possible that because Lala's on there and what were your
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: thoughts on Lala finally speaking about Sheena and like how
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: they had that huge falling out about the book and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: his affair?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Lala messed up. She owned it. She said, I messed up.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I own it. I miss my friend. And then Sheena goes,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: what did Sheena say? It was really shady. It was
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: something like, I, I, I, I don't know who she's missing.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I'm no longer that version of that person or something
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: like that. She, she, she had a shady comment back.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Did you see that? Whoa. So basically Sheena said that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: this has to do with deeper trust issues. And she said,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this is not just about not posting my book for
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a week. It's about so much more than that. So it's,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it's about the betrayal. She said something about the betrayal
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of Lala. She said it on her podcast.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Shenanigans?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that name.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I love the name Shenanigans.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Remember when we read the book? Yes. Sheena ain't picking
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: up what Lala's laying down is what I'm saying. She
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't accept her apology.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Damn. Well, because Sheena's like, okay, I'll think about it
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: when I'm on the valley next. We can talk it through.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Sheena and Brock going on the valley could be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: great television and Sheena and Lala fighting on the Valley
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is so much better than watching Danny get shit blackout
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: drunk and talk down to people and be very aggressive.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I was uncomfortable this season. I was uncomfortable this season.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Get them off of there. This has done nothing but
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: hurt their brand. I dislike both of them now. I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: not a fan of Nia or of Danny. He doesn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: own it. He doesn't own it. Lisa.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Danny.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: He doesn't. Own it.
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• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. Angela with the read of a century.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then when.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: She was like, The Oakleys are up. You better get
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: on the right team or something like that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I am a fan of Angela. And, you know, I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was thinking about this ahead of the podcast today. There
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: is not one person on that couch, those couches that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I do not like. I like all these girls. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: find them all to a degree, some more than others,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: but I like them all.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: That's great. That is awesome news. Now, do you have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a problem like with, well, I'll just say I have
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a problem with Kelly at times because I'm like, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: she had it so fine with Portia. They finally got
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to a good place and then she's running her game again.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And I don't like it because she's trying to stir
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: up stuff that it doesn't really exist just to be,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like on the show. And I don't like that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. She's, she's trying
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to maintain her peach. for the the bag she needs
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the money but i still think she legitimately is first
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of all can i just say to you amy and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this many times over how do you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: come back from oh you absolutely did sleep with a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: married man you absolutely did like like It's just so
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: wild to me that we're supposed to like all go
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: out to dinner. The way they talk to each other.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: How do you come back from new teeth and nowhere
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to sleep? You broke bitch. And then at the end
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of the reunion, you're like, yeah, I think we're going
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to be really good next season. Everything's starting off. Like, like, so,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Kelly is not wrong. She, she will never forgive.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Like I cannot imagine the, the amount of, they all
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: want their, they all want the job. They all want
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to go on these trips together. How do you get
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: past some of the things they say to each other? Well,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: some of the.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Things that they say that are like shade for fun,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: which is like you broke bitch the teeth like that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like they can totally come back from that whenever.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Angela accused Shamia of sleeping with George. That was absolutely
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: cuckoo bananas that she did that like insane. And she's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: talking to the wife of George. She's like, no, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: didn't say that. I said that she slept with Georgia.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, you can't take it back.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Again, very obvious to me that Angela would like to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: secure her peach as well by just being shaken. Nobody believed,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: even Jamia and George both probably did sleep together, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: they're like, no one believes this. But it was such
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: grasping at straws. Because George made a joke. Basically, he
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: was like, ah, she's so good, I'd pay for that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And Angela's like, he pays. He pays for sex with Shania.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Did you guys hear that?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I've got to get this on the show.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Did you guys get that on the newswire?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's as messy as a messy bun, but I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: do love her, too.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I do love her, too. I was annoyed with it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the first season. I was like, just kind of, like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: chill out. You're doing too much. But then this season,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like... It's all good. We're fine.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Kay.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, can we talk about Kay? And she
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: thought that people were plotting against her and her whole
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: thing is like, I tried to get ahead of it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: She caused so many crazy wormholes to go down.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: This was so hard to wrap my head around all
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: season was like, What does she have a problem with?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Who is she saying is talking about it? People that
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: we don't know. Now you're talking about stuff off of
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the show and the whole black that was DMing. This was.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Michelle, what a disaster. But I just love her too.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I think you're, you know, she, again, you get on
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the show. Well, first of all, Atlanta is really pulling
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the curtain back, which we already know this, of how
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: these streets are talking. Like everyone in Atlanta talks about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the housewives. They all tell, I mean, like at any
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: cafe in Atlanta right now, someone has a story that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they heard from someone about someone. Right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And it's probably that the case for all the franchises.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake city. Everyone knows I have a story about
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Angie K. Right. You know, like, right. You know, so,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: so I think that. K Michelle is. was trying to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: get in front of things that weren't even going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: come up because someone told her and she's new to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the show. And so she doesn't understand that your friend
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: who is works at bank of America, having a story
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: about Phaedra is not unique. And the story doesn't matter. Right.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's almost as simple as someone came
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: up and was like, whatever skeletons you have in your closet,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: whatever lawsuits, whatever divorces, whatever friendships that you've lost, whatever
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: exes you've scorned, it's going to come up. Oh, they've
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: already found it. Trust me. They probably already have a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: binder on you. So you better bring up everything on
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: your own before anyone else does.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. And that's her first season. So she
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: was making rookie mistakes. But I absolutely love K. Michelle.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I think that she is actually very real. I do too.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I do too. And she very, very real. She really
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was going through this season, a wreck. She was up
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: and down and over and out and like just in
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and out with Portia and with some of the other ladies.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And I just thought like, well, she's giving it her all.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's for damn sure.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she is. And she's, she's real. She says, she
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: says when she dropped her basket, She's a wild person.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Her relationship is wild. Her butt juice is leaking out.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Every little thing that happens with her, her husband, her
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: lady ponding, porn watching, everything about her, she's real. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like Drew is fake, you know, and I actually really
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like Pinky. I think Pinky is very charming.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Pinky.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's self-deprecating. She's willing to laugh at herself. She's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: She's very charming person. And I like how she was
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: at the reunion. I like how she showed up. And
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Andy is thrilled with Atlanta. The way he was acting
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: when Cynthia's song came on gave my heart sting. I've
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: been watching that clip a hundred times. And even at
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the end of the reunion, he was like, this was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: actually fun. Unlike my other franchises.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know nothing compares to Atlanta. I guarantee it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Like he, he has the most fun with Atlanta ever.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Then he does any other. I mean, I can't even
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: imagine doing these reunions and just the bickering and stuff
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like that. I mean, I did.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I remember on Jersey when he's like, shut up.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: The only time he started, he like was when the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: only time he tried to end it was when Angela
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and Kelly were going back and forth. And then Angela's like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the Oakleys are up. You better get on the winning team.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And Kelly's like, you were driving a 2012 Land Rover
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: or Range Rover last season. And Angela's like, I got
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a 2012. Are you crazy? And then Andy's like, you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: guys got to end it. And then Drew with the clapboard.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's good timing. Drew.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And he even liked the prop. That shows you how
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: much he likes Atlanta is that he liked that prop.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: He normally does not like a prop.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: No, he does not like those props. Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So, anyway, Jarvis. It's funny because Jarvis with the name
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: kills me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Now he's showing his face all Jarvis. I know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I'm glad she has a boyfriend. I think Kelly went
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: through hell with her ex-husband. Hell. Hell to pay. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: tied to him for life with the daughters. It's a nightmare.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare. But you know what I didn't like?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Here's one thing I get upset at Kelly. I go
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: back and forth because it's like perfect example. You're going
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: to shit on Phaedra now for helping you?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: What the hell? That was so bizarre.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: This is why she turns like that. Like, she'll be
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: so fine and cool with somebody, and then she'll flip
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: on them and treat them badly. And I'm like, why
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: would you do that to Phaedra, who literally, like, had
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: her whole team working for you, 60K in hours, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: she— I know.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I love how she's like, I paid you $ 10, 000, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Shader's like, I pee $ 10, 000 out in my morning toilet.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, my other attorneys did all that work.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And Phaedra's like, we didn't use their work. We did
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: our own work. But it's also like, well, if your
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: other attorneys were so great and did all the work,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: why didn't you use them? Why are you asking Phaedra
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: for a favor? You're looking a gift horse in the mouth,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and it looks like you're incredibly ungrateful for what she did.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And next season... She's going to be against Shamia. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Shamia is going to be like, I gave you a
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: roof over your head where you didn't have anywhere to go.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And she's going to be like that. That place was
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a hovel. And she'll just probably be mean to.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Shamia about it. That's gross. That's gross. Yeah. Well, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: don't know. Those two need each other desperately. That side
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of the couch is rough. I don't even think Kate
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Michelle should be over there. But Shamia and Kelly need
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: each other. They are. And Shamia, you know, I'll tell
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you guys. Let's talk about it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: What your dad said?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad's so sad about. He's very disappointed in
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: how Shamia is showing up and it makes him sad
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: because he loves Shamia and Fadra or Shamia and Portia's dynamic.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And she has disappointed him greatly on the show and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: it makes him sad. He told me that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And I agree. Shamia was so fun our entire lives.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And now she's doing way too much. Way too much.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I'm 100% on that side. And, you know, when you
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: said you like everybody, we forgot. Because, like, I'm really
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: annoyed with Shamia. And I don't like what she's done.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I think that she came on this show and immediately
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: tried to take Portia down because all she's wanted to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: do is be on this show. It's giving Melissa Gorga. Um,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: but worse, but worse, way worse because at least Portia
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and Shamia had a conversation about it multiple times where
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Portia told her, I don't want you on this show.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: This is my thing. Like essentially back off. Stop asking.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Also heed the golden rule about housewives. If you have
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a friendship that you bring in, it will be destroyed.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And in fact, it was. And that's on account of
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, you can go both ways about it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: People can say, I'm sure Portia did stuff to Shamia.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it wasn't perfect. But like she came on
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: that show immediately was like, Portia didn't even want me
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: on this show and just started talking about that. And
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: then once that got going, Portia's like, I'm out. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: then they had this last season, last season, not this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: just past one, but the one before where Portia put
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: up her boundaries and was like, I'm not fucking with
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you this season. And they stayed in their own lane
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: and they were able to like coexist. And I thought
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this is good because now, like, I don't think Portia's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: done with her. I think Portia wants to see her
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: be chill and then she'll give her another chance. But
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: then this season came up and Shamia had still an
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: axe to grind. And then she has the gull. to
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: bring up the mothers and the child and so be
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it because Portia's done and she screwed up because I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: think that Portia would have come back to that friendship
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and I think they could have reconciled on camera and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it would have been good that's what I think Jamie I.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Don't know that they could ever come back, and I'll
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: tell you why. Not from this?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Not from this, no.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Definitely not from this. But remember, before this happened, the
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: moms had a falling out. So that's a danger zone.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So even from that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even from that. But I think you're 100% right
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: about cordial, a laugh here and there, a good time,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: dancing together, something fun, whatever. It's over now, though. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Shamia is a fool. Those two gals have, they know
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: where everybody is buried on each other. So they both
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: had one in the chamber. So the minute that Shamia
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: said the thing about your mom tried to sleep with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: my dad, then Portia, of course, is like, yeah. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: your mother slept with your father's brother. And that was
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the end of their friendship. Which brother? Yeah, which brother?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That was the end of it. And that's because they
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: know those secrets about each other. And as you said,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this franchise is a friendship killer. You don't want your
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: best friend on the show more than a friend of.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And when Shamia came on, she's trying to be a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: singing career. She's trying to make her rum bum. She's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: doing too much. That never had a chance. Never a
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: chance in hell. And not a great idea either. I
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: don't want brown liquid coming out of a butt bottle.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: The best one.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And he's like, Shamia, what's the update on Rumbum? And
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: she's like, thank you so much for asking. As a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: matter of fact. It's over. It is done. Rumbum is done.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And I was ghosted. So, yep. Family business, you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: family businesses. What are you going to do?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Gerald. Shamia is doing too much. And she's. Shamia more
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: than Kelly is the one I think who's just throwing
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: everything at the wall to see what sticks. She's, she's,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: she's trying to this and she's trying to that. She,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: she seems behind the eight ball every time on whatever
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: is upsetting her. She's just, she's just like, she's not
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: nailing it. She's not nailing her fights. She's not nailing
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: her alliances. She's, she's trying to get K Michelle by,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: by disparaging others instead of just being a good friend.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I like Shamia. I used to like her way better
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: before she was on the show.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. When she was a friend of. It
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was the greatest of times because she always left us
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: wanting more and the allure of her life. And like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you'd follow her on Instagram and you'd see how rich
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: she is and how and like her kids and her husband.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: And it was. And then, of course, what she went
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: through with her daughter and that whole journey.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: That was really tough. Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I always really liked her. And it
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: is very disappointing. I feel like your dad feels so.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad. Hopefully they can pull it together. But
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Portia is done. The look in her
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: eyes is over. And also, I understand. Portia doesn't want
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: someone going, I miss Pilar. That's why I have to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: see her through Dennis. Do not mention my daughter's name. Oh,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that was so bad.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: That was so bad. Because you think that she's going
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: to allow her daughter to come over to her former
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: best friend's house when they're having problems. Like that doesn't
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: even make sense. You can't do that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So it makes me sad, but I still have faith
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in Shamia is Shamia is giving a slight bit of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Buko energy for me. She makes me sad and I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: don't like her decisions, but not nearly as bad as
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Danny and Nia. But other than Shamia, So I guess
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I do still like Shamia and I feel for her
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: journey with her husband. And I just I think she's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the one who's trying to capitalize so obviously on what's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: going on. And it's bothering me a little.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because it's like Shamia is doing that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Kelly certainly goes about it in a different way, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: she's kind of doing that. Angela did it the entire
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: first season. She's trying.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Angela really, she doesn't have to do it. Angela's like, oh,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: let me slow down. They're loving the pearls right now.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Let me shut the fuck up.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, she, and she's loving it. Sitting next to Portia
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: and Cynthia.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Angela's on the time. She's very happy. Yeah.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I think that I still like Kelly. I like Kelly enough.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I like them all. I love when K. Michelle did
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: her little concert and she's like, this song goes to
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: all my new friends. We are women. We fight. We love.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: We eat and we dance. We provide.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: We have children. We wake up in the morning. We
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: put on our pants. We go, we brush our hair.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: These ladies have taught me.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: No, you're right.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And I love at the end, and they're all saying
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: what they learned that season. And everyone like has their
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: thing to say, but it just like, when it came
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to Angela, she was like, basically saying that she was
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: chasing after things before. And now she's just like, don't
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: go chasing one.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Angela came out on top. Drew. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: don't know. Cynthia.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I love Cynthia's boyfriend. I love that he was like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: let's make a song. And then it's so, it is
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: such a banger.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It is so good. So what else is going on?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The peach life. Like you can just see how, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you have a boyfriend. He's younger than you. He's very sexy.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, let's get in the booth. She barely even tried.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: He just opened up his voice memos. He's like, hold on.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Let me open this voice memo.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: She barely tried, but then he put a beat behind
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: it and then using that catchphrase. So what else is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: going on? That is so good.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: He dropped the beat on that. Yeah, she's giving minimal effort,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: which is so perfect because she's smooth. Cynthia, she doesn't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: need to do much at all.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I say bring her back full time or let her
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: be what she is because she's.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Phaedra is killing it. Phaedra has mellowed so much over
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the years.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, she wants to go into politics.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she will, too. She'll probably end up in the Senate.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Fader can do whatever she sets her mind to. When
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: she pulled out that flute, I was like, I am
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: sat and I am seated for whatever you've got, lady.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: She was like, I was like, you have me, you
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: have my heart and you have my soul.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows. It's like she, if she's not pulling out
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: like a cease and desist document, she's pulling out a flute.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And if she's not pulling out a flute, she's pulling out,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: you know, a more, a freezer drawer. From a morgue.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: That's gross. But you know what I'm saying? Oh, we just, yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: What a great season. I am into it. I am
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: very into it. Yeah. And I thought I would miss Candy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I love Candy. I am not a huge
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: fan of Riley. Get your shit together.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, yeah, I know. She's really not hitting it
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: right now in Next Gen, but like.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: No, she needs to grow up.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: She isn't. mature when candy had that facetime with her
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: she was like wait a minute wait a minute who
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: said that she's like wait a minute let me just
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: get this straight.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah candy's like why am i finding out from page
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: six that you almost threw something at someone you need
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: to tell me this and riley's like sorry i didn't
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: tell you send me five thousand dollars right now thank
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you three more cell phones by the way Three more
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: cell phones and a new four bedroom Manhattan apartment. Sorry,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: not sorry.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I am loving next gen. Do you love it? Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I love next gen. Oh yeah. I like how they,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the producers have added this like flair of like showing
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: texts and stuff. They're really going for it. I love
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Ariel Berman. Is that how you say her name?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Beerman. But what do you think about her dumping Hudson?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And now she's with Liam and then word is offline.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is true or not,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: that she's gotten with Charlie or I don't know. I'm
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: not sure.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope not. That's just alleged. I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: thought she was a very loyal to Hudson because I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: guarantee you Hudson cheated on her. And I also think
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: he might have some problems. Oh, and I think that
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: she had to break up with him, but she didn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: smear him, you know? She has too much. She's so mature.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: She's so much more mature than her own mom, you know? Well, sure.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I certainly had that wrong. I mean, I thought Hudson
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: was the one that was like, like the poor guy
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: that she's just like, I'm, I'm, I know.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: He's got a fortune from family owns chicken restaurants, I guess.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Well, they should help Kelly out.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that's pretty much it. We could talk about
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: that later, but you know, Thank.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You so much, you guys.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I'd love to sit and.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Talk next gen with you anytime, Amy. I'd like to
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: talk to you about anything at all. Okay, good.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I love you so much, Jamels. Everybody can follow Jam Detroit.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Bye for now.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I love you. Bye. Drama, darling. Drama, darling.