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Birds of Prey with Emily Yoshida · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the cast. The questions asked if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel cast. Hello, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Bectel cast. My name is Caitlin Durante and
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  Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Loftus. So what I should have
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  Speaker 1: said is hello, welcome to the birds of No. No,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing better write the first time birdle cast. Birds
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  Speaker 1: are there. This is maybe okay, maybe maybe I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: ahead of myself in terms of brilliant discourse. But is
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  Speaker 1: there a single bird in this movie? Do you see
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  Speaker 1: a bird? Isn't black canary a bird? But do you
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  Speaker 1: like see a physical bird? Oh? I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: actually see a real bird. No pigeons, not even a
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  Speaker 1: p I feel like in most movies that don't have
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  Speaker 1: birds in the tattle, you get a pig gin. I'm
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  Speaker 1: already coming out with some really brilliant takes that I
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  Speaker 1: guess i'd have to like go back and rewatch Birdman,
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  Speaker 1: a thing I never want to do. So maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely birds and Birdman. Unfortunately, I just I was for
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  Speaker 1: some reason I was watching this movie as if I
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  Speaker 1: was my dad, and I was like, I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: a single bird. No, pretty good could have done with
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  Speaker 1: more birds. They could have thrown in a bird, is
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Anyways, this is The Birds of Paste. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not familiar with the show, we are
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  Speaker 1: a movie podcast that examines the treatment and representation of
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  Speaker 1: women in film, and we used the Bechtel test as
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  Speaker 1: a jumping off point. Jamie, what on earth is the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel test? Well, I can tell you what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's a media matric invented by cartoonist Alison Buckdel, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: called the Bechdel Wallace test, that we choirs for our
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  Speaker 1: purposes that there be two female identified characters in a
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  Speaker 1: piece of media with names who talk to each other
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  Speaker 1: about something other than a man. Most movies don't pass it.
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  Speaker 1: I think movies are starting to pass it more, but
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  Speaker 1: not because people regard women better, but because they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get canceled. That's true. Yeah, So that's where
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  Speaker 1: we start from. Well, first we start with birds, and
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  Speaker 1: then are there any birds in the movie? Then we
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  Speaker 1: use the Backdl test to start the discussion. Right, But
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  Speaker 1: if it's failed, the bird test, then it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: really not worth going into the beck Del test. Affright,
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  Speaker 1: the movie is probably trash. I'd like to see that
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  Speaker 1: ven diagram of how many movies passed the bird test,
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  Speaker 1: which is a test that requires a movie have a
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  Speaker 1: bird versus I got more movies past the bird test
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  Speaker 1: than the back doll test. Oh, that's an interesting I'll
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  Speaker 1: keep my eye out for that. Someone right there. Does
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  Speaker 1: the bird have to be in focus? Does the bird
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  Speaker 1: have to be in the foreground? For the purposes of
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  Speaker 1: the bird test, we need to feel that the bird
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  Speaker 1: is being represented. Right. There's different caveats for the bird test.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to see the bird in focus. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it can be in the background, you know, just like
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  Speaker 1: how there's different caveats of the Bechdel test. Yeah, for
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  Speaker 1: some people, a bird in the distance is enough. For others,
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  Speaker 1: they're a little there. Our standards are a little we're
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  Speaker 1: going to meet the bird to be in focus. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you've you've heard her voice already, but let's properly introduce
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  Speaker 1: our guests. No, don't apologize at all. We love your contributions.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Of course, she is
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  Speaker 1: a writer of filmmaker and co host of Nightcall podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's Emily Yoshida. Hi, Hello, thanks for having me. Oh
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  Speaker 1: it's our pleasure. Welcome to the Birdcast. Hey. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I actually I was trying to save this for after
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  Speaker 1: I got introduced, because I did see a pigeon that
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  Speaker 1: really really struck me just a few days ago when
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  Speaker 1: I had to get in my car and drive somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and I was on the one oh one and I
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  Speaker 1: saw a pigeon just straight chilling in a lane on
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  Speaker 1: the freeway and it was empty enough that you know,
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  Speaker 1: he could do that. And I was, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was going pretty you know, it wasn't sixty miles an
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  Speaker 1: hour or something like that, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a pigeon. That pigeon is going to fly away,
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  Speaker 1: and it kind of did it until the very last minute.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, am I gonna just run over a
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  Speaker 1: pigeon on the one? That feels very weird? Um it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of many end times things I feel
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  Speaker 1: like has happened to me. The animals are for sure
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  Speaker 1: reclaiming the land, yeah, and the freeways. The way the
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  Speaker 1: cats have been acting in my neighborhood, it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: borderline inspiring of just like, oh, I don't live here.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, you were here first. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: don't know your streets. It's just like the end of
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  Speaker 1: that one Jurassic World movie that wasn't good, which one
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  Speaker 1: both anyway? Swish um, Emily, what's your relationship with the
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  Speaker 1: film Birds of Pray, the character of Harley Quinn anything.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with any comic books or any other
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  Speaker 1: like series that she's in, anything like that comics? Um.
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  Speaker 1: The most exposure I probably ever had to Harley Quinn
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  Speaker 1: was um in the cartoon, which is like, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: where she was originated? The Batman animated series. So I
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  Speaker 1: didn't watch that, you know, passionately whenever that was I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was on when I was a kid, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember seeing it a little bit. I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: more into x Men as far as like cartoon versions
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  Speaker 1: of comic books. I never I never read any comic
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  Speaker 1: books growing up, but I did watch the TV versions.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was always kind of intrigued by her.
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  Speaker 1: I think, like, in general, like her and Poison Ivy,
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  Speaker 1: even though I know like very little of either character.
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  Speaker 1: But just because you know, I saw like Batman and
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  Speaker 1: Robin where Uma Thurman place her when I was like
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  Speaker 1: junior high. But I just thought it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: funny that there were two female Batman villains who were
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  Speaker 1: like cool but also like came from a science background, proggressive.
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  Speaker 1: They're both like lab coat ladies who turned bad, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was very fun. Like I I like
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  Speaker 1: that kind of trope in general. Like my version of
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  Speaker 1: that that I really embraced was like like and so
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  Speaker 1: instead of comic books and all that, I was really
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  Speaker 1: into Sailor Moon and like anime and stuff when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid, And Sailor Moon in particular has one
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  Speaker 1: season where the villains are like an evil lab of
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  Speaker 1: witches and they all just like wear lab coats and
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  Speaker 1: get into trouble, and that was like a plus in
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  Speaker 1: my book. I love I love a bad lady in
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  Speaker 1: a lab coat. So yeah, hell yeah. But yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not like a I'm not like super up on this
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  Speaker 1: universe or anything. But when I heard that they were
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  Speaker 1: doing Harley Quinn movie, I was like, Okay, that will
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  Speaker 1: be for me, like more so than Wonder Woman or
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  Speaker 1: any or like Black Widow or any of these things
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to be anticipating as women the Harley Quinn movie.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that'll be fun. Like I I, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't need to be that great to me, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like more on Board was something about her than
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these other these other films. So nice.
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  Speaker 1: That's sort of where I came into this. Jamie, what
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  Speaker 1: about you? What's your relationship? Um? I think it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of similar to Emily's. I mean, if if you listen
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  Speaker 1: to the Battle cast, you know, I'm not a huge
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  Speaker 1: superhero movies person. They're just I like it. Every time
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  Speaker 1: I'm like sat down in front of them, usually I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: this is fun. But I just I don't really seek
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  Speaker 1: them out. Um, but I was excited to see I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I just thought that, like, it looks like
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  Speaker 1: a fun movie. I really liked the cast. I really like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say his name wrong. I get you and
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  Speaker 1: you and you and you and you and you, and
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  Speaker 1: I said it wrong for the entire Mulin Rouge episode,
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  Speaker 1: and I was and so I and I still get
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny. Added for it. It was two
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Okay, I really I'm a big fan of
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  Speaker 1: his I really like Mary Elizabeth Winstead I like the
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  Speaker 1: whole cast is just it's a really fun cast. Rosie
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  Speaker 1: Perette like, it was just I was just excited to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Um. I hadn't seen and have not seen
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  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad. I did not
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  Speaker 1: subject myself to that. It's just like, now is not
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  Speaker 1: the time for me to see Suicide Squad. It's just
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  Speaker 1: not going to be. Um, I'm assuming that this movie
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  Speaker 1: is quite different. But I saw it in the theaters
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  Speaker 1: and I like, it's a fun movie. It's a fun movie.
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  Speaker 1: Rewatching it was interesting because I was watching it completely
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  Speaker 1: uncritically the first time. I was just like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: letting fun things happen. But yeah, I liked it. What
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  Speaker 1: about you, Caitlin. I saw it in the theater as well.
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  Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed it. This will be like a
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  Speaker 1: movie that I think go like continue to revisit. And
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  Speaker 1: I did watch Suicide Squad to like prepare for this
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  Speaker 1: episode because I was like, I do want to be
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  Speaker 1: able to like kind of compare and contrast and like
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  Speaker 1: like have that context. Um. So I did make this
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  Speaker 1: great sacrifice for the show. Thank you so much. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. And I do I have like a bit
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  Speaker 1: to say when we get to the discussion about how
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  Speaker 1: either movie treats Harley Quinn, because it is, believe it
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  Speaker 1: or not, pretty vastly different. So um, yeah, I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that. But yeah, I mean, I freaking
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  Speaker 1: love this movie. I give it a ten out of
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  Speaker 1: ten on the Caitlin Rompo meter. But um, I too
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  Speaker 1: don't have Like I I haven't really read any comic books.
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  Speaker 1: I did not watch the Batman animated series, so um,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get like that introduction to the Harley Quinn
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  Speaker 1: character then. But it's kind of interesting where I think
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  Speaker 1: that my main familiarity with Harley Quinn. I knew who
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  Speaker 1: she was, and I knew it her basic story was
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  Speaker 1: just I think through like cultural osmosis. But I think
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  Speaker 1: where I saw her most were on like guys wearing
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  Speaker 1: naughty peer T shirts of like Harley Quinn like posed
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  Speaker 1: all sexy on a T shirt Like I saw her
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  Speaker 1: a lot in middle school on horny boy's shirts. So
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  Speaker 1: I think she's had a real come up. Indeed, well,
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  Speaker 1: she always like she just as easily can just turn
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  Speaker 1: into a really bad trope of like craziest girlfriend like
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  Speaker 1: that crazy bitch that you've met before, like that, which
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  Speaker 1: is just like and I feel like that's what that's
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  Speaker 1: what I imagine. The Suicide Squad film uses her as
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  Speaker 1: and just sort of vocals her, but it's like, but
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  Speaker 1: she's crazy. So I feel like people said similar things
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  Speaker 1: about the Justice League movie and Wonder Woman, where it's
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  Speaker 1: just like she is treated in a very markedly different way,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not a way can immediately verbalize. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of just all cinematic, less than what's necessarily on the page,
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  Speaker 1: Just like how the camera looks at her, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how we're meant to empathize with her or not. That
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  Speaker 1: feels very active in this movie, as I think it
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  Speaker 1: did in Wonder Woman too. I just think this is
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  Speaker 1: a more fun character. So yeah, for sure, Well should
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  Speaker 1: we get into the recap and go from there? Do it? So?
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  Speaker 1: We open on some backstory for Harley Quinn played by
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  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie. Of course, she had a rough childhood but
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  Speaker 1: made her way through college. She got a PhD. She
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  Speaker 1: became a psychiatrist, and that is how she met Joker,
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  Speaker 1: who she fell in love with, kind of lost her
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  Speaker 1: sense of herself and then eventually she and a Joker
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  Speaker 1: break up, which is sort of the catalyst that gets
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  Speaker 1: this movie going. And the way that they are able
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  Speaker 1: to avoid showing you Jared Letto in this movie is
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  Speaker 1: an art all its own, Like there are I was,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't because I didn't see Suicide Squad,
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  Speaker 1: but I just knew I didn't want to look at
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  Speaker 1: Jared Letto Joker and that's not how I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: use my time watching this. And they don't make you
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  Speaker 1: look at Jared Letto Joker. It made me happy. That's
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  Speaker 1: very nice to them, and it's also it's also just fun,
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  Speaker 1: even if it was a way to get around showing
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  Speaker 1: Jared Lettter Joker. I love the animation at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of it because it feels it feels like it really
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  Speaker 1: sets the tone, like it's it's very much like you're
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  Speaker 1: about to watch a cartoon, Like even if the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing won't be technically animated, is going to feel like this.
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  Speaker 1: So after this breakup, Harley Quinn resets her life, she
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  Speaker 1: gets her own place, she gets a pet, hyena. She's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to name him after Batman, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she named him Bruce Wayne Bruce. I felt like a
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  Speaker 1: genius when I was like bruise. We also see her
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  Speaker 1: skating around because she plays like roller Derby now and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, who are you a Tania? Anyway, she had
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  Speaker 1: to use those skills and they come back later and payoff. Baby,
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  Speaker 1: love to see you. Oh wait, I want to. I
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  Speaker 1: want to bring up one more thing about the intro,
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  Speaker 1: which I just noticed on this watch through before, when
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  Speaker 1: she's talking about kind of striking out in love before
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  Speaker 1: she met the Joker. It's like a slots type machine
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  Speaker 1: where it's like we're spinning through through people and like
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  Speaker 1: it lands on like two guys, then it lands on
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  Speaker 1: a lady queer representation in Harley Quinn. And they didn't
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  Speaker 1: even make an article about it where they're like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the first fully bisexual DC character or whatever they
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  Speaker 1: would say. Um. She also says that she voted for
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  Speaker 1: which is a real treat. It was a real treat. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: from my understanding, the Harley Quinn character is canonically bisexual.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, slide straight into my mentions if I'm wrong
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  Speaker 1: about this, because again I have not read material as well,
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  Speaker 1: and I was also seeing that even Renee is canonically bisexual,
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  Speaker 1: even though that is not referenced really that much in
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  Speaker 1: this movie. Well, she it's mentioned that she and Ali
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  Speaker 1: Wong's character are like ex girlfriends, So we get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit there's I don't I canonically I guess that
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  Speaker 1: she and we'll get into this later, but like I
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  Speaker 1: guess that she was like kicked out of the police
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  Speaker 1: force for reasons having to do with her sexuality. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because but I don't know. I kind of appreciate that
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  Speaker 1: they go they reference it and then also keep it
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  Speaker 1: a cartoon. Anyways, So then we meet Romans Sionists that's
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  Speaker 1: played by and sorry, Jamie, how do you say his
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  Speaker 1: name again? It's you? And yes it is good job
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  Speaker 1: you and McGregor. He's all like, hey, Harley Quinn, give
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  Speaker 1: joker my best because she has not told people about
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  Speaker 1: her breakup. So to get closure and to prove to
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  Speaker 1: the world that they're broken up and she's over him
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, she blows up a toxic industrial
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  Speaker 1: processing plant where their relationship bloomed. Then we cut to
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  Speaker 1: Renee Montoya, that's Rosie Perez's character. She is a detective
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  Speaker 1: who is examining a crime scene where four men were murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and then we get a flashback that shows a mysterious
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  Speaker 1: crossbow killer character played by Mary Elizabeth Winstead murdering these men.
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  Speaker 1: So Renee Montoya is examining this crime scene nearby when
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  Speaker 1: the plant gets blown up and she's like, whoa, that
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  Speaker 1: must have been Harley Quinn, Like the j necklace she
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  Speaker 1: left behind, this was her and joker spot. So she
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  Speaker 1: goes and tries to find and arrest Harley Quinn the
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  Speaker 1: following morning, and she is one of many people who
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  Speaker 1: are unhappy with Harley Quinn, so there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people chasing her and then she gets captured by Roman
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  Speaker 1: Zionis as people. Meanwhile, Renee Montoya is working on a
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  Speaker 1: case against this Roman guy and she's heard that this
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  Speaker 1: diamond ship mint is coming in and she thinks it's
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  Speaker 1: the burton Elly Diamond, which belonged to the burton Elly
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  Speaker 1: crime family, and Roman Czionist is trying to get his
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  Speaker 1: hands on it because there's a reminded me of National Treasure.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, there's a map inside the diamond. It's I
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  Speaker 1: think we just watched National Treasure too recently, but I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: there's always a map inside of something important. There's a
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  Speaker 1: map inside of everything. There's a mcguffin inside a mcguffin.
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  Speaker 1: So Roman is trying to get his hands on this
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  Speaker 1: diamond because it's going to give him access to all
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  Speaker 1: these funds and connections that will allow him to control
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  Speaker 1: all of Gotham. So then Renee gets a call from
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  Speaker 1: her informant, Dinah Lance a k A. Black Canary played
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  Speaker 1: by Journey Smollett Bell, saying that this diamond is in
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  Speaker 1: the possession of this pickpocket kid, Cassandra Caine. Then we
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  Speaker 1: flash back to earlier when Harley and Black Canary meet
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  Speaker 1: or I don't know if this is them meeting for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, but we see an interaction they have.
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  Speaker 1: Black Canary ends up saving Harley Quinn from some bad
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  Speaker 1: guys Romans Zionists sees how good Black Canary is it
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  Speaker 1: fighting and promotes her to being his driver. She had
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  Speaker 1: previously had like a singing gig in his club, which
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it doesn't I wish that she got
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  Speaker 1: to talk more about how how much that job change
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  Speaker 1: sucks for her. Yeah, that's a terrible unless it pays
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  Speaker 1: considerably better, Like she says that at first, she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather continue being a singer and then he's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're a valet now, and she's like, uh okay. It's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: like can carve your own career path at the Underworld Club.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other club. I'm assuming the pay bump
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  Speaker 1: was sweet enough that it made it worth. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was just sort of like a pay ad for exposure
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  Speaker 1: type thing with the singing. Yeah, that could be it.
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  Speaker 1: She's just all there's industry in the club all the
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  Speaker 1: time at the back of the room. It's probably the
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  Speaker 1: idea that like, if she's his driver, she gets closer
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  Speaker 1: into his inner circle and like is more protected or
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: has more connections. I don't know, that's what I imagine,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Like at least he thinks he's offering her, but she's like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I actually don't want to really be closer to you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: because you're scary anyway. Yeah, he skipped the part where
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he peels some people's faces. I did skip that part.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: That does happen. Um, he peels some people's faces off
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: because they didn't want to go into business with him,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh really, then your face is gone.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's another like it's there's a few scenes in this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: movie where it's like perfect live action cartoon and the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: face peeling scene is one of them, like they could
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: have so easily gone like dark broody other Batman worlds
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that exist on it, and it's just it's so fun. See.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I think the face peeling thing is one of there
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: are two scenes in this movie that like are suddenly
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a little too real, and one of them I think
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: works and I'm sure you guys know what when I'm
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: talking about. And the other one is this one where
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just I think it's so early in the film
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: where I'm just like, one, who are these people too?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Like we're going straight into a face Like I have
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: no context for this scene, so which just like grillly
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: grizzly and you see like the limp piece of face
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: being towed it off and um, but it's not even
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: done in a really over the top way because it's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: really like face peeling at the end of the day.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Isn't like you know, Harley Quinn doing or jumped down
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: on the guy's leg and breaking it like that's like
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: looty tunes cartoon violence. Like the face peeling is just
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: like I don't know why I like it. I like
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: at the end he goes whoa at the end of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the you're like, oh, I guess it's okay. There's a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: few separate moments in the movie where he could just goes, WHOA,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: You're just like I guess, I guess. That's his catchphrase
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in the movie. He says will a lot because once
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he goes Harley Quinn, whoa, I'm like, that's how I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: feel right now. Yeah, the same. So after Black Canary
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: gets promoted to being Roman Sionists driver, a few days later,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: he sends her on an errand to pick up the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Burton Elly diamond Um. The trouble is though, that it
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: gets stolen by that pickpocket, Cassandra Kane. She is played
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: by Ella j. Basco. Then Cassandra gets picked up by
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the cops right away, so she swallows the diamonds so
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: she won't have to turn it over. So we're now
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: back to the present. Harley has been captured and brought
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to Roman Szionists so that he can kill her because
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: there's all these grievances. One of them is that she
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: voted for Bernie Um and he also just hates women.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite ones was that she spoils a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: lot of movies. UM. So he has all these grievances
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: against her. He's generally villainous. Indeed, he's villainous in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: very general sense in a way that I'm just like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel like that that. Yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like his thing is that he's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a narcissist. Yeah, but like that doesn't really come across.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Like he does feel rather vague to me. Like the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: only and I was tweeting about this when I watched it,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Like the only reference point for me for like what
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: this kind of character is supposed to be is like, um,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: did you guys ever watched The Hills. Yes, he's a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: really like Brent bolt House character I feel like, but
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like dialed up to eleven, just like a slimy kind
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of club in Presario. And properly he's a landlord. He's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like a property owner, um developer. So that I also
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: added to that, I was like, okay, okay, I get
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I get this sort of villain, but it's sort of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hard to read it first. Maybe that's why he has
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to yell woo so much to puncture wait his violent acts. Also,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: he's a super villain named Black Mask, which is also
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a very nondescript super villain name so vague. Yeah, it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: very and you never see it except like there's a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: little cutaway to him putting on said black mask. Then
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: we don't see it again until the very end of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the movie. So I just like, and is that like
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a is that like a canonical character in the DC universe, like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: because that really feels like they were scraping the bottom
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of the barrel as far as concepts, he is canon, Okay,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I guess he's just I mean, there's so many like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Batman villains that I've never heard of, Like I know
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the ones that have been in Batman movies, but those
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: are the only ones I know of, So that makes sense. Okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So anyway, um, Roman is like, I'm going to kill
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you Harley, but she makes a bargain with him and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: says that she will find this diamond and like uses
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it as like a bargaining chip, like, don't kill me
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I'll find this diamond for you. And he's like, Okay,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you have until midnight to find it. And then Harley
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Quinn goes to the police precinct where Cassandra Caine is
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: being held, breaks her out, and then when Harley discovers
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the Cassandra swallowed the diamond. They go to a store,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they buy a bunch of laxatives, and they go back
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to Harley Quinn's apartment to wait it out, and then hey,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: remember the Crossbow Killer She shows up again. Her name
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: is actually Huntress, also Helena Burton Elly, because she's the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: daughter of the Burton Elly crime family who are all murdered.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And she does not like that Roman is after her
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: family's diamond. Or that's what I thought when I was
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: watching this, And then it turns out she's just trying
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to find she's trying to kill his like assistance. She's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: got like a kill bill narrative going where she has
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like a list of, however many people involved in a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: traumatic event that she needs to kill. Yeah, it's his,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's Christmas Tina that she wants to kill. She
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: she I don't think she actually cares about Roman because
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: he was one of the goons who came and killed
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: her family Victor Zayz, which it didn't fully occur. I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: think that. I mean, the movie does tell you that,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: but it didn't occur to me until the end where
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I guess she didn't care about Black
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Mask not really, because she shows up, she kills Christmas
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Ina and then it's like, okay, I'm done. And then
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Rosie Perez is like, um, who do you think funded
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: this whole operation? It was because Roman, it is trying
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to do this thing like it all like plot, plot,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: plot plot. There there are a few times in the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: third act where they have to like stand in her
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: room and be like, so, this is what's going on,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and this is our relationship to the plot right now.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Also we're all friends. Now, okay, let's start the scene.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: This is why I should care about what's going on,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and this is why you should care about what's going on.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Like it's just you know, reiterating the stakes for everybody.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: This is where I feel a Rosie Perez really a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: shines because she can make them very expository dialogue sound
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like not that like very urgent and cool. I love. Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: she's great. So Huntress shows up. She's looking for the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: bad guys basically, and then Harley Quinn's friend Doc sells
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: out her whereabouts and she's very disheartened and she's like, well,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: if this is the way the world is, I guess
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell Roman to come and collect Cassandra. She
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: makes this arrangement to meet at amusement Mile and everyone
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: goes there. It's like this rundown theme park. Renee Montoya,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Black Canary, and Huntress all show up because they've all
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: got business with either Harley Quinn, Roman or one of
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: his associates. But they all decide to band together and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: take down Roman and his goons. And there's the big
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: fight and it seems like they won, but then Cassandra
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: gets kidnapped, so Harley Quinn goes after her. There's a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: big chain. Then Cassandra plants a grenade on Roman and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: then Harley Quinn flings him over the railing and he
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: blows into bits and it's a great moment of Catharsis.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Then uh and then Huntress gets the diamond back and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: gets her family fortune back. Um. Then Renee, Black Canary,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and Huntress all decide to band together as the Birds
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of Prey to fight crime throughout Gotham. And then Harley
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Quinn goes off with Cassandra. She's made Cassandra her like apprentice,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and then she drives off into the sunset or whatever
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: time of day. It is. The end, the end, So
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come right
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: back to discuss. So where where do we want to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: start with with this movie? I've got I've got some pros,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I've got some causa we want to start? Well, maybe
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: would it make most sense to start by kind of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: how the Harley Quinn character was depicted previously in Suicide
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Squad and note those differences. Yeah, and then I've got
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: some notes on comic book cannon for the other nine
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Birds of Prey. So if do you want to kick
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it off with? Yeah, So the Harley Quinn character evolved
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and is treated differently as a character between Suicide Squad,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: which came on was written and directed by men, versus
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Birds of Prey, which was written and directed by women.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Imagine that. So in Suicide Squad, I would say that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn character is largely characterized by her relationship
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: with a man, the Joker, who she is obsessed with.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: She wears a jacket that says property of the Joker.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: You know, things like that. Um. She is surrounded by
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: mostly men. The story is populated by mostly male characters.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: We don't really know that much about her, and what
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: we do learn a lot of what we learn is
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: what other characters say about her, and that's mostly that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: she is quote crazy and her character is hyper sexualized.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: In terms of cinematography, wardrobe choices fight choreography, like we
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: see the you know, she wraps her legs around a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: man's face and pussy slams him into the ground. Move happens.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: It's like female in an action movie three kicks in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a pussy slam and then get her off screen. Yep.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So all of that versus some just sort of basic
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: things and then we'll go into far more detail about everything.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: But in Birds of Prey, as the title of the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: movie suggests, which is the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the story is about her being free of a toxic
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: relationship with Joker, and her kind of like you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: emotional goal of the movie is wanting a fresh start.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: She wants to be her own woman. She's no longer
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: defined by her relationship to a man. She is surrounded
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: by mostly women, and she is no longer the object
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of the male gaze. I would say, like the closest
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: thing we get to any type of gaze is Harley
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Quinn getting borderline horny as she watches her bacon egg
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and cheese sandwich being made, which is also one of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my favorite jokes in the entire movie. And then similarly,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: her fight choreography is not sexualized, like now she's punching people,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: bashing them with baseball bats, throwing them on the ground,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: things like that. I liked her use of a mallet. Yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I like a good mallet related engine a mallet swinging.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just fun. It's a great principal weapon
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to have. I think that's a lot of value, especially
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: if you're Margot Robbie and you have the biggest smile
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in the entire world that you can just like spread
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: across your face as you swing a mallet around. It's
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: just fun, Like it looks great. So those are the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: main kind of just initial differences. So I mean that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: just goes to show like when a story is being
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: handled by men who really only care about a woman
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: being present in the story to like be hot, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that's basically it. The characters treated very differently versus when
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you have the story in the hands of like women
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: with an agenda, like the director, the writer. I watched
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a few interviews with each of them saying and like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, producer Margot Robbie. They were all like, we
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: want this to be like a feminist like smashing of
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy. So just goes to show who's behind the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: camera can largely influence, you know, the movie that gets made. Yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I think the things that really, aside from just the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: general framing of the character, which again haven't seen suicide
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: squads that don't have an exact I have an idea
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just from if you'd see trailers of it and stuff
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: from clips um, but I think like, aside from just
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: how it views her, I think also the way that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: it can build a sense of danger out of these
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: various scenarios she finds herself in, particularly with men, Like
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of subtlety and like and stuff that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I felt like I genuinely hadn't seen before and this
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: kind of film, Like there's a part where she gets
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hit with like a tranquilizer dart or just like a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: paralyzing dart or something, so she's like conscious, but she
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: can't move her body, and then you know the second
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that somebody starts to kind of creep on her in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that scenario, it's like, really like your hackles go up
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: as a viewer and you're just like, oh, this is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the worst, this would suck um. And you know, it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: still kind of done in this sort of whack of
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: dude sort of tone, but it's able to kind of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: flip the perspective a little bit with you know, stuff
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: like tranquilizer darts and stuff where where it's just you
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: kind of have a new sort of palette to play
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with when you're looking at it from that perspective as
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: opposed to what we usually see in these films. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I like, I mean there I I did a little
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: bit of research on just like, what is the basic
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: canon of a lot of the women we see in
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: this movie, just to because I had a sneaking suspicion
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that maybe some of it had change. And I like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I like the choices, um that they make to alter
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: some of the backstory too, because I think that, you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: because the comic book world for so long was so
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: male dominated, that all of their canonical stories are somehow
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: tied to a man, and so like, I mean, Harley Quinn,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we've we've already talked through. Dina Lance was originally a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: detective's daughter who wants to be like she's someone's daughter
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and that's why she's involved in the story. Um. Huntresses
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: story is pretty much the same, where she's she's an
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: arnist who witnesses the murder of her family. UM. Cassandra
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Caine has a very different backstory where she's kind of
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I mean in this she is like they make vague
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: references to like she is in the foster care system
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and she is not being serviced by it very well,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: which I kind of wish we had like a little
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: more to go off of them, like two vague yelling
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: adults in the background. Um, And that stands to get
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: very depressing. But it was like interesting because that is
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: not canonically what who she is at all. Um. She's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: originally discovered in a martial arts tournament. She becomes someone's bodyguard,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and then she becomes an assassin. UM. So she was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: very different, and she had two living parents. She was
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like the daughter of like these famous married assassins in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: in the books. So I don't know why she also,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm look, you know right now, she's also
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: bad girl. At one point, she becomes bad girl because
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: she's like actually a wayne, like she was put into
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the foster system. But it's like like related to Bruce Wayne.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: There's a few different versions of her too, which makes
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it more confusing. But and that was like one of
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the characters that they strayed really far from I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: more for plot reasons than for other reasons. But I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: mean most of the changes were fun and like sir,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like gives the character more room to do stuff.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I will say that she's probably my favorite of all
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: of what I think are the birds of prey in
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: this movie, just because I one, I think she's developed
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: with the most clarity of all the characters. And also
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I just like feel I feel very represented and very
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: seen when I see like an awkward, kind of grumpy
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: teenage Asian girl who like with a permanent like frown.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: That's just like just like, oh, they made they made
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a superhero movie where like teenage me got to be
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: like Harley Quinn's apprentice. That's cool. And like her eternal
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Pink cast too, I love so much. Like yeah, I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: like and and um, what's her name? Ella Ella J Basco. Yeah,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: she's awesome, She's I can't wait to see her and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: more stuff. Yeah, she's super super funny, really really fun. Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those are the canon changes. That
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: are made to the main characters. Yeah, it's I mean
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the relationships that they end up having with each other
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: on screen in this movie, Like I really enjoyed, like
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: how all those unfolded they pretty much all have like
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: an arc where they all start out kind of antagonistic
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: because at first, like Harley and Renee have like the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like criminal versus cop dynamics, so they're like kind of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: natural enemies. We've got Black Canary being super annoyed by
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Harley all the time. You've got like Harley kind of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: joining forces with Cassandra and like saving her at first,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: but then like being willing to sell her out to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: save her own skin, but then like feeling really bad
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and guilty about that and apologizing and eventually like getting forgiveness,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and then like when they converge at the end and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, all these people are probably gonna kill us,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and we have a better chance if we band together
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and like fight as a group, and everyone's just like, well,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I guess okay, fine, then yeah. I I mean I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: think a lot of that stuff is great. I think
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: probably if I had to boil down my one gripe
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: with this film, which is like not to take away
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: from any of these individual performances. But I do think
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that it feels like a little bit of a disservice
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to trying to do a standalone Harley Quinn movie, to try,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like instantly try to make it a girl gang movie,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: just because I don't think they have enough time. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I think that some characters, I think get really kind
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: of thrown by the wayside. Like I think that you
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: could lift out the entire Huntress story from this film
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and not really lose anything. She doesn't know anybody in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the story until the end, and she's pursuing a different
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: villain than everyone else. Yeah, And I think like kind
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of similarly you could. It would be less clean, but
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you could also take out a Black Canary part entirely
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and then just have more Like I think you have
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a really great movie between Cassandra Harley and Renee, Like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you've got the cop who's looking for the villain, trying
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to reform herself villain, and the girl she has to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: take under her wing. Like that's like a that's like
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a fun little movie. Um, and you have much more
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: time with all those characters. You would get more time
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: for Renee and like really build out you know her
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: stuff that's just gestured out about her conditions in in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: at her workplace and like her history and that she's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, it's very rare we get
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to see a kind of grizzled, not so virtuous cop
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that's a woman, and I wish we kind of have
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: more time with that because and also I just love
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Rosie Perez, So I just wanted more of that as
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a kind of foil to Harley because they kind of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have a lot of crossover, Like there's a lot that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they have in common. Yeah, that's like my biggest like blanket,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like what I would change about this film because I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: just I was so happy to get a chance to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: spend time with this character and then it's like, oh,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: but we have to like build a squad. Then it
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: just feels really busy in the second half. Yeah, I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: see that. I still I don't mind that they're there though,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: like the Huntress and the Black Canary character, Um well,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it does it might like take away real estate that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: could be used to like further develop some of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: other characters. I'm just like, but they're so fun to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: look at when they're fighting and stuff. I think. I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I don't mean this as I mean, this is just
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: something that I've been thinking about over the last couple
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of days of just like prepping for this episode. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: feel like because now there have been I think this
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: is the third whatever in the past five years, female
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: driven superhero movie, and there's always like a bunch of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to do about like, will women succeed at the box office? Well,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: they finally proved that they deserve to be blah blah blah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And this was one of those movies. This is the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: only of those three movies that did not so ex
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: expectations that I mean, it's just it. It's frustrating because, um,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: this movie didn't do badly. It just didn't make a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: billion dollars, and so I think a lot of people
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: regarded it as a failure and most likely a setback
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: for further um female driven superhero movies, which is equally frustrating. Um,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: but I do I I just watching the setup of
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this movie, I feel like there is a possibility that whatever,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: ten twenty years from now, you can sort of look
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: at the way this movie is and it's kind of ore.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: This year's or this era is like girl power formula
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: is very much at play in this movie, and I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like it for the most part, but I do feel
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: like there's like I wish that there was a little
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: more freedom to do. I mean, like, this movie came
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: out a few months after Joker came out, a movie
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that I did not like, but a movie where clearly
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the people the creatively were given free rein to do
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: whatever the funk they wanted. Um. And in this I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: feel like you see a few things that when women
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: are appearing on screen together right now, you kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: see a lot where they all band together at the end,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: even though they don't all know each other, and like
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: they all band together kind of just because that's what
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: women are supposed to the all women, and they realize
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: they have this in common, right, right, right, and so
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: those like it's I really like this movie. And I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: also was trying to like keep reminding myself, it's a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: fucking cartoon, Jamie, Like everyone bands together at the end
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of the cartoon. But because there were all these like
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: expectations put on on top of it, and maybe having
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like less main characters would be able to contextualize this.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: But I do kind of get like a little like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: annoyed when it's like, oh, well, of course they're all
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: going to fight together. They're all women, and all women
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: are friends with all women, and that's how women work.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the fight, and I do enjoy the fight, but
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: there are moments like that that sometimes kind of bug me. Yeah,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I think the strongest stuff and it has nothing to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: do with like I'm I'm gonna do this even though
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I'm a woman, And it's all like about somebody trying
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to reform themselves from being a ship head, which is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a universal experience that many people can relate to whether
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they are what, no matter what gender they are. Um,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and so I think that's where like, I think you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: have a really clean especially for a cartoon, which I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: feel like should be broad and should be like easily
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: painted in in in in very bold strokes. Like I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: think that you have a very clean movie if it's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: just about that, if you have a bit to be
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: between Harley and Renee, and yeah, I think then. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: but when it becomes a thing of like getting over
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a breakup and finding yourself through girlfriends, and that's like
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: another thing on top of that, which is like I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: don't in this one. I just don't feel like it's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: set up as much as the other half, which is
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: just like maybe this guy was a bad influence on
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: me and I could be like a better person without him.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, yes, it's all cartoon. I feel
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: like like it's just like you can't you can't take
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it too and and that's that's the fun of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: fight scenes too. I think like it's just that it
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's taking itself that seriously while at
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the same time doing really really good fight scenes. So
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that's like a virtuo al on its own. But yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yes, the motivation for all
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of them to band together at the end is perhaps
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: flimsy at best for each character. Like you literally have
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: like Huntress being like sure, you know, like I guess
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else tonight. Yeah, I mean they
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: kind of wink at it. Yeah, So I guess narratively,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: there could be stronger motivation for all of these characters
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to have a reason to band together, and if we
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: maybe knew a little bit more about them, we would
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: understand them wanting to come together to fight together better.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I don't know, I'm
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is like the I think this
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: is the first ever all female superhero ensemble movie, because
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: like the other superhero ensembles have been you know, your Avengers,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: your Guardians with the Galaxies, your Justice Leagues like your
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: X Men's and things that, and there are reasons for
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: banding together are always fairly flimsy as well. Often sure,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and you know those are movies where men largely outnumber women.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So for this to be like a all female ensemble
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: superhero movie, I don't know. I just I was like
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: very excited by that, and shorts a little flimsy why
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they all band together and stuff. But I'm just like, oh,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, I don't know. I think I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: maybe I will cut this movie a little too much
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: slack because I just enjoy watching it. But no, it's fun.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, like this is the thing I'm talking about
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the top of the show. Like I love like the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: genres called magical girl, like the anime about like girl
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: gangs of superheroes or whatever who all do transformation sequences
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and have powers and stuff like that, which is always
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: like that's my comic book ship like that I kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of uncritically I'm just into and no too way too
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: much about um yeah, and that's like never it's not
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that it's that much more like well defined why these
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: people end up working together in that genre. It's just like, well,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I guess we all have powers and we have to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: do stuff together. I guess at the end of the day,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it would work if I felt like I knew all
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: those characters better, Like then it's fine, like you can
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you can introduce your central character and then build a
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: squat around them. And I feel like that stuff was
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: done with less care than the Harley stuff. And like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you're saying, Emily, it's like they all are like ship heads,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: which is part of what I like about them, Like
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: we've all seen a scene where they're being assholes, and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: so for them to just like drop that, I don't Yeah,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: it felt like two different things were happening at once,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: like that scene has less to do with their characterization
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: than the fact that this scene hasn't existed before on
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: this scale, which is fine. I mean both both can't exist,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: but it just it feels like a very round about
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: limitation where it's just I don't know, if that room
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: were full of guys, I don't think that there would
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: be that pressure to do that, you know, right, yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: or feel like you have to stock it that heavily,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like like Joker is a pretty sparse film character wise,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like there's not that many people on. It's like there
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: there's confidence that Joker on his own is enough for
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a movie. I think that's the thing where it just
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: felt a little bit like guilding a lily here and
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, you got a great you got a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: great lead, You've got a great actress playing her, You've
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: got a really fun kinetic director working on it. Like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: just be confident in these elements, like you got it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's ready to be a fun film that just
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: had a little too much in the salad. I think,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and if if the superhero genre were a little more
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: willing to have female standalone movies, this movie could be
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: three movies, three good movies. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: thing is like, yeah, that's that's like the other like
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: in Meta or like Inside Baseball thing where it's just
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: like you get the feeling that they're doing this because
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: like they're not sure that they're going to get the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: second Harley Quinn movie, where you could actually just have
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that be the Birds of Prey movie, like tease it
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: at the end of Harley Quinn and then be like, oh,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: and she's going to have this whole squad. You can't
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: wait to meet them. It's going to be so much
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: fun now that we've met this person. And I don't know, yeah,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: which would be great. I mean I hope they get
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: another one. But you know, we'll see how well this does.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Like how many people turn to this in in quarantine times.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people will, but I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: hope so it's it put me in a great mood
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and maybe yeah, I the same. I was so stoked
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: to watch it and like eight Boston watched Harley Harley
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Quinn and I've been eating so many like egg and
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: cheese on toasts, like sandwiches since watching this movie. She
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have bacon on that she does I don't have any bacon.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: She I like that we see them. I mean, this
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is like another granular thing that we talked about all
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: the time. But like, women eat in this movie. It's scene,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it's known, it's even a plot point that women eat.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: She just wants that sandwich just like so satisfying. I
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: love it. And they're eating like tacos and burritos at
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the end, like yeah, so they look like they still
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: have to go to the gym fives a week. Yes,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: it's a movie, but I always appreciate that in a movie,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like an action movie, where people are doing a lot
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of like essentially cardiol they need protein. Um, we got
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to take another quick break, but we'll come right back.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And we're back and speaking of cardio and going to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the gym, and I feel that I could feel this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fight scenes. Um, So
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion has been had about one particular
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: small moment in one of the scenes when Harley Quinn
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: gives a hair tie to Black Canary. Is just like, Oh,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I see that you're struggling because your long hair is
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: flying all around while you're kicking ass. Would you like
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a hair tie? And Black Canaries like yep, thank you,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: And like this was such a real moment for so
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: many people because never before has this really happened in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a movie where like women are participating in the action
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: scenes in most cases, like their hair is just like
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: flying around, like when Wonder Woman's walking through World War
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: One and she's just flying around, yes perfectly, not just
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: flying into her mouth like it was. Yeah, So, um,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I I to appreciate that a lot of people. There's
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: already again a lot of discussion about this tiny moment,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: but um, I was like, oh my gosh. And I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: watched an interview with the screenwriter and she explained like
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the origins of that where her sister, She and her
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: sister would yeah, just like watch movies together and see
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that like women would never pull up their hair for
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: any reason. And she's like, yeah, anytime I like eat
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a meal, I pull up my hair so that my
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: hair doesn't get in my food. Or if I have
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to like move around, I pull up my hair. And
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's what usually happens. So I just
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: appreciated that. No, it's great. And the action scenes, I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: mean the action scenes in this movie are They're long,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They're not like the few quick like I think that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: there's like three extended action sequences, like one is hardly
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: by herself and then there's the big climactic fight at
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the end, but we get to see her fight a lot,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and she feels well and she fights. It's like I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: feel like a good balance of action movie fighting and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like cartoony fighting. Well, it's like very martial arts movie
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and it's like people get hurt too, which is why
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you want to watch it, Like it's not like these
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Marvel movies where you're just like, nobody's going to get hurt.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: These people can't even get bruised, like like bones are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: broken and stuff in this and you kind of and
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know that and it feels I'm sure that a
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: lot of it is augmented by effects and stuff like that,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel overly done over. So you do
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: feel like you're watching people doing stunts and coming in
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: contact with each other's bodies. So you just want to
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: watch it for that, which is like I always like
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: check my phone if I'm watching a Marvel movie at
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: home and it goes to the action sequence, because it's like,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: what is there to watch? There's nothing to watch here. Um,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of money and time goes to that,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and I um, you know, support all the people who
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: work in VFX, but yeah, those sequences are so disposable
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and almost every single one of those movies and this
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: did not feel like that. It was great. I mean
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: just I mean, even starting with Harley Quinn breaking that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: guy's leg at the beginning, you're just like, oh, it's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it's it's exciting, and it's like that like sets the
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: tone for the way that violence is in the movie
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: in a way that like, I don't know, I love
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that leg because then it's like, not only does she
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: break is like, but then he's like, you broke my
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: fucking leg. Like it's just like they like, hang on it. Yeah, yeah,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not like he then hobbles off
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: or dies instantly. It's just like it's just a very
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it's a good reaction. And she breaks his leg because
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: he calls her a dumb slut and she's like, oh really,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: is that what you think? And then she breaks his
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: leg and then she's like, I have a PhD, bitch,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I love how often she reminds everybody that
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: she has a PhD. It's so great. Which is a
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: good time for me to mention something that I don't
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: like to bring up. But I do have a master's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: degree in screen rinning from Boston University. Yeah, you should
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: breaks someone's leg over it. I will next time anybody
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: questions your credentials leg breaking time. Yeah. I found that
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: very satisfied. Like that, just all of the fighting, I mean,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it just was like really good movie fighting the evidence room.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I have two favorite I love the evidence. Actually, I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: like him all whatever. I don't know what I'm saying this,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but I do the evidence Room fight is great, if
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: only for the part where they shoot up the giant
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: bag of cocaine and then she suddenly gets cocaine superpower.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: This is also something that would never happen in a
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Marvel movie. And it's like it's like, sure, it's like
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: edged Lordy type shit or whatever, but it's also just
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like funny. It's just it's just it feels like something
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: from like an eighties action movie, which tends to be
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: a lot more coke fueled anyway, both on screen and off.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: So do we know why Black Canary is a really
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: good fighter? That was like, this is again of me
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: questioning a cartoon, but I think I could identify why
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: every woman in the Birds of Prey averse was a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: good fighter, except for Black Canary, who I truly don't
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: understand why she is. I guess she just she like
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: grew up in a rough neighborhood. That's like kind of right.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's like I guess that that's like cartoon.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. She was the one
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: character that I wish it you just got more with
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Black Canary in in general, because I like, I mean, Emily,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: you were referencing this earlier that like I'm really I'm
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: glad she's there, and you feel like there's a lot
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: of good character stuff in there, but you don't really
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: get to find out that much about her. I don't
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: know why she's a good fighter. I don't know why
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: she like, I don't exactly know why she is just
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: accepting this new job lying down, other than that she's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: scared of him, or why she's working for him in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the first place, right, Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: when Rosie Prez comes to her with like, hey, I
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: had an arrangement with the other driver, and she's like,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're working for this really awful guy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: She like defends Roman and says like, well, he took
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: me off the streets and protects me and stuff like that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: But I think like she is probably beholden to him
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: much more than she would like to be. He like
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: treats her like property, He treats her like his little pet.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, really how he views her as very creepy.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I just wish I knew what it was like. I wish,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and I think that that also speaks to like my
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm know, it's a cartoon, you guys.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I just like some of my some of the vagueness
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of Black Masks villainy. I feel like maybe that's the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: cast off problem of that too, of like he's just
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a mean guy. He just is nice to nobody. I mean,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And I think the one Black Mask moment that I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: didn't I felt like I didn't need. I didn't mind
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the face peeling. But what I didn't I don't think
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that I was like totally necessary. Was that scene where
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: he makes a woman take her clothes off at the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: club and like is really leering at her in this
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: way that I didn't feel it was really necessary. I
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: feel like it was like kind of hitting you over
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the head with the fact that's like he's misogynist, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we know, like we know, why do
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: we need to see this scene of him doing that?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And it reminded me of an equally uncomfortable and useless
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: scene in Bombshell that I didn't well. Okay, so director
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Cathy Anne fought for this scene to stay in the
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: movie because there are cuts of it where they did
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: take that scene out, but she fought for it to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: be there because and I have a quote here from her,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: she says, quote, I think it's a huge turning point
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: for Roman, it's a huge turning point for Canary. In
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the way that we shot it was hopefully not about
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the sexual violence upon the woman. It was more about
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Roman what he's capable of, and Canary seeing him for
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: who he really is for the first time now she
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: can fully cut herself off from him. And I thought
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it was a really important scene, so we fought for it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: End quote. And in that scene you do see Canary
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: realizing just how awful he is, and you can like
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: see the gears working in her mind of like, oh
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: my god, I have to get out of this situation.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I need to distance myself from this scary, scary man.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But I see what you mean. It's her, it's her movie.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that the scene is I think
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that the scene is just technically well done. Is as
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: far as like making you feel uncomfortable, which I think
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: you should. And I think she's right, like it's not
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: about the sexualization of the woman. It's about like what
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: it feels like to be in the presence of this
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: like terrible dude. Yes, it's been very underlined at that point.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I do think the scene makes more sense in a
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: movie where you have more time to track Black Canary
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: and her relationship to Roman and get that there's something
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: that needs to be accomplished there where she is on
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the fence about like, well he's a bad guy, but
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: he pays me or whatever, like you know that she's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: sort of panking excuses for him, and this is the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: moment where she realizes she can't make excuses for him,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: which it sounds like that's what Cathy Anne was trying
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to do with it. I think that there's just not
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: enough runway for that at this point. But I do
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: think like you could keep the scene exactly the same
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: if you built up to it more, and I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: it would be really effective. The way the way it
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: appears in the movie didn't feel earned to me, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm also just I mean
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this in past episode too. I'm just
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: generally like I think sensitive and like annoyed by like
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: do we really need a scene where another woman is
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like humiliated in order to better characterize uh male villain.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I just like, I don't think it's always I don't
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: know that it's small gripe, but I did that that
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: didn't work for me in this one. Sure I wanted
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: to go back to, like the fighting scenes a little
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: bit more, to sing some more praises more or less
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: um much like Canary sings anyway. Okay, for reasons we
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: don't know, can break glass with her voice but then
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: passes out. Yeah, I feel like that needed to also
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: be set up better. Yeah, I don't know anyway that
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: she has to have the fighting skills, because then otherwise
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: she would have one move per fight, like oh and
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I'm done um um anyway. So, but things I did
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: like was that we see women using real weapons and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: not kitchen appliances. We talk all the time about how
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: women are allowed to fight in movies, like they're usually
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: using frying pans and stuff. But we see crossbows, we
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: see guns, we see a mallet um baseball bat, things
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like that. We've also talked in various episodes about like
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the tendency from movies to not allow men and women
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: to fight each other. It's usually like the one woman
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: in the good guy gang is made to fight the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: one woman in the bad guy gang, and they almost
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: like launched her out of the bad guy gang to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: be like, Okay, we know you've only seen this character
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: twice before, but here's why we so that she can
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: fight though one of the lady exactly. Um, And like,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is the idea of like
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: we don't want to show a man being violent toward
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a woman, or probably more likely it's the idea that
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: we don't see women as being equal, like an equal
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: fighting opponent to a quote stronger man, so she can
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: fight the woman who is on her level. Like I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: think that's what the filmmakers who have made like fight
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: scenes like this, that's probably what they're thinking. Which I
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: am way more insulted by the thing where you can't
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: show or like you don't want to see a man
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: in a fight with the woman, Like not so much
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: about her ability to win the fight, but just the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: idea that like we're gonna deny that there is ever
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: violence done against women by men, like it just doesn't happen,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: so you can't see it. And I think that so
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: much of this movie is about like, no, these men
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: are violent towards women all the time. That's why this
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: world sucks that she lives in Like it's very frank
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: in its cartoony way about that, which I appreciate. Yeah,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: those moments are more I mean those moments where like
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Black Mask like is physically violent towards Harley were more
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: are effective for me than the humiliation of a random
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: woman Like that is like it's personal. It's like you're like, oh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: even if I enjoyed the woo, I fuck this guy,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: what if he said woo interface though, like I don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: know how if um, but yeah, I mean I just
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I like that this movie there's a big departure from
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that idea and that you see women fighting men pretty
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: much constantly and men not questioning themselves before like being
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: violent towards a woman, which is like, you know, just reflect.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I also enjoyed that women are never saved by a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: man in this movie. If they are saved by someone,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: like that scene where Black Canary saves Harley Quinn from
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: being assaulted by that guy after a long night of drinking,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: women are saving each other or just like sending off
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: their own attackers by themselves, And I like that They're
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: like there with Harley's character and part of why, like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Harley is I think such like a fun character to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: get her almost her own movie. I guess is that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: like she is an asshole and like she betrays other
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: people in the story and then has to like dial
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: back and be like oh wait no, Like I really
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: like you would never get that with any marvel Like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: they're just too morally superior to to ever make a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: mistake and ever like wrong someone. And I like that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: there are like conflicts between It works for me best
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: with Cassandra Harley and Renee, but like you know, there's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: conflicts between the women for like the better part of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the story, and they make sense and you get to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: see them kind of like have to resolve it. Um, yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you don't get that a lot. And going back to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the thing about them never being saved by a man,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I mean they don't introduce a single good man in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: this movie. There's nobody like there who would do it,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: which is sort of I think that's one thing that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: feels one of the things that you kind of aren't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: even thinking about it first until maybe like you start
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: to get into the climactic fight scenes where you're just like, oh, yeah,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: we've gotten this whole time, and there's no male hero,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: which is kind of like just because you're watching this
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: sort of a movie, it feels like a little bit
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: of a vacuum. But then you're like, no, this is fine,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it works great and not even really like a guy
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: that gets it, which I feel like it's like character
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: in the back of and like yeah, exactly, like there's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: no there's no male feminist T shirt guy character. Um,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: which is great. There's an I mean there's more than
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: enough female characters to fill that role. Yeah. A couple
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: last things about things that they relate to fighting. Um,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I like that we do not see Cassandra Caine fight
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: in the big sequence at the end because she's like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: a child and I think a very lazy trophy choice
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: that we've seen before is like the precocious twelve year
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: old who's really smart and good at everything, but she
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: still gets like a kill in at the end, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: like she's not totally excluded from the action too. It
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: just like I was happy about that is my least
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: favorite trope like currently I think is the young fighting
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: machine little girl like going back to the professional and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: ship Like I hate it, um, I find it really
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: gross and it's like I feel like that I don't
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: know that like Fox with your kid brain too, and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you see stuff like that when you're a kid, you're like, oh,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I should fight adults, Like no, please, don't fight adults. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: it's this way too. Like I don't know, I I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: found like Logan to be the most egregious one recently,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: even though like I think that that that kid is cool,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Like the actress who plays here and everything is cool
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: and does a good job. But it's just like, you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: can't have a like a woman in this story, So
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: you're going to have like a little girl who doesn't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: talk but like just does egregious violence on people. It
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: just feels so weird and stunted and strange, Like yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that it keeps happening. It's so annoying. Is it the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: movie kick Ass where there's like a little girl to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: who's like just like tearing people apart. It's srets. It
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: was like her entree into showbiz. Speaking of things, I'm exhausted, um,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: but I totally agree with you about Cassandra, and I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: like that that the story doesn't just sideline her entirely.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: She gets this like big win at the end of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the fight sequence, and it's been nicely set up to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: where like she uses her pickpocket skills to like plant
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: the thing on him and then pulls out the pin
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and of the grenade. And then the scene where he
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: like blows into like a bazilion different bits as he
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like falling into the water, I was like, he turns
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: into human confetti. Yeah, oh wow, what a motif confetti.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: That chase is also so fun. That leads up to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: that with her very very fund There also the the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: outfits in this movie. I thought like they it would
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to funk up the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: costuming of this movie. But it's still like it still
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: feels like it's taking place in the Harley Quinn world.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: But it isn't like exploitative. It's like everyone's outfit is
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: very well thought out. It's not I don't know, it
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: would have been so easy to suck it up, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: they didn't. I mean her like caution tape, like fringe
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: coat that she wears towards the beginning. It's so hot topic.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: It's literally, this whole movie is hot topic merch base.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And I mean that as a compliment, but this whole
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: movie is hot ta you know. This is this is
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: one movie that I know will not get a costuming nomination,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: but should because every outfit that she wears it's just
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: like I wanted Black Canaries outfits too. Like everyone, it's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: so good. Yeah. The last thing I want to say
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: about the like the last fighting related thing I want
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: to say is at the end of the movie, when
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: they're like having their like morning Margarita's, they're like all
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: bummed up. You see them with like scrapes and injuries,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and I feel like women, even in action movies, are
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: not allowed to sustain injuries and like have their perfect
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: flawless skin be all messed up, And I like, you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: see them with like all these scrapes unless it's like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: motivation for somebody to avenge them, right, unless she's like fridged,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: like you get a cut on your face, it's like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: who did this to you? Like I must go murder
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: totally right. But again, movie doesn't do anything like that. Yeah,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: all that is like handled super well. Another thing that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I liked of the way this movie goes with it
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: um is the Harley breakup, where again I think like
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a lesser movie would have really let that take over
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: the movie, and I let it take over her character.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it's handled in a really like
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: it's not ignored, which and and you see she's getting
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: out of this like the most toxic relationship of all time,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: literally literally. I like that she doesn't handle it well.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: That felt like a nod to reality. Getting out of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a toxic relationship is fucking horrible. And I like that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: she acts out, you know, like she gets a shitty haircut,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: she gets a pet, she does like all the things
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: that you do when you're getting out of a and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and then you do this big cathary like I just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I liked that she went through that process that felt
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like closer to reality than a lot of things that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: happened in the movie. And then you kind of get
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to just have her have her story and the folk
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: because it's not like I need to get over this guy,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: which a lesser movie could have done. And I think that, like, honestly,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: if you had most male screenwriters on this story, where
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: they would have lingered too long. But I like that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: it's I like how it's handled, and I like how
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: you're kind of like okay, and we're moving on yea,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: and all before the opening credits, like or the title
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: card at least, like the plant blows up, and then
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you have the Birds of Prey title card, and you've
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: basically run through the whole breakup getting over I mean,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: like obviously, like she has to figure out a purpose
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: in life and everything, like that's what the rest of
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: it is about. But it isn't about her pining after
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: him or you know, feeling weird about it or something
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: like She's never like looking back on the breakup or anything, right,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: And I like that she's not looking back, like and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I like that the movie doesn't look back at her
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: cannon too hard because it's like her cannon is sexist.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: It's like she couldn't like this woman with a PhD,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: like you know, just met a guy and and abandoned
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: her entire life. Like it's I like that they just
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: take the essence of who this character is and then
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: they just like run with it in a completely different direction.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I will say, though, I mean women with PhDs can
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: can ruin their lives over men too, Like I mean,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I don't have a PhD. I'm not speaking from experience,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: but it is not the domain of non PhD holding women. Well,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that kind of brings me to another point
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: of of something I really like about this movie is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: women being allowed to be anti heroes and like, so
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: it's like an R rated movie. We see pretty graphic violence.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: We see women doing things that you know, polite society
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: would consider to be unladylike. But they are all these
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: like women who were rough around the edges. They partake
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: in very morally questionable activities, and I really enjoy seeing
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: that because so often women are held to this standard
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: of like you have to be perfect, you can't misbehave, like,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: you can't be unladylike. But we see women swearing, stealing, fighting,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: killing people, drinking, like the scene where Harlequin sort of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: does cocaine, like all this stuff. I really and I'm
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: not necessarily condoning these activities in real life. Oh that's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: like you are do cocaine, actually, please, everyone go out
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and pickpocket and do cocaine and break people's legs, please
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and thank you. You should chop left and smoke weeds
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: like it's actually like politically that's actually kind of You
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: should not pay back your student loans and you should
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: not pay your medical bills. I also love that one
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: offline where Harley is like, and that's why you don't
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: pay a federal there's so many goods, Like I like
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: that she's like low key and anarchist, like, but she
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: did go out to vote for Bernie, so you know
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: feeling I love the image of her like standing in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: line at the bulls, Like I just want to see that. Yeah. Also,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: like where so this is actually like they're always able
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: to kind of skirt around it a little bit, but
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: like where is Gotham? And then in the United States
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of America if she voted in a primary for Bernie true?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, they they canonically put Gotham in America
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: within the United States and the last five years. Yeah,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: well that's another thing that I like about. And this
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: is the only other comparison I will I will make
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: of this movie to the only other two recent female
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: superhero movies. But I feel like strength of this movie
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: is um as opposed to Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Harley Quinn lives in this world. She understands it. She
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: does not need someone to hold her hand and be
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: like this is this, and this is this and this
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: is this, which, to varying extents, happens in Wonder Woman
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and Captain Marvel, where Captain Marvel is out of time,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I'm wonder Woman is out of place and they have
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: to be guided through this world, whereas like this is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Harley's term, like she doesn't need to be told what
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: anything is. Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate that. Like I think,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, there are things to like about Wonder Woman,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, and I do think that there
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: is space for one of these sorts of movies where
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: it is just about like a radical optimist like winning Out,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: which is basically what that movie is. But I also
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: appreciate that this movie is basically the inverse of that,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: or it's just like what if a piece of ship
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: could be a superhero instead of like what if the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: purest person in the world could be because like that's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: also that's not just a woman thing, and in superhero
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: movies that's like all like I don't even know. I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: can't think of another superhero male or female who like
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: gets drunk a hand cock, Oh handcock good pull? I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: stand corrected, Yeah, no I have. I don't know if
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I actually saw Incock, but he isn't. The whole idea
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: with him is like he's he's like not a good guy,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: but he's also a superhero. Yeah, he's like down on
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: his luck or something like he's like a failed superhero,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: but he still has his powers. So yeah, that's true. Okay, Well,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: yeah that's Hancock eraser Emily Well, I was going to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: say that the Suicide Squad, they surely some of those
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: you know, bad characters must get up to some sort
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: of morally questionable activities. Like, yeah, they're forced into a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: situation where they all have to be good guys, like
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: fighting for a greater cause, but they're all deep down
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: bad guys. You mean like some kind of suicide squad.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: That's all that I know about Suicide Squad that Will
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Smith says, you mean like some kind of suicide squad. Indeed,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: says the name of the movie in a very corny
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: on the nose line of dialogue in the movie. Correct.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Oh and the one other, the one I think my
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: last that I liked plot wise as I I as
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: as much as I was kind of like I really
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: at the team up scene right before the amazing fight sequence.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I like that they don't automatically all remain best friends
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: after that. They have that scene where they like give
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: each other their due and then you see them split
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: off in a way that feels more logical based on
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: what we know about the characters, Like it makes sense
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: that Cassandra is going to stay with Harley and that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: they're going to be a team. And it also makes
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense that Harley doesn't want to be
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: a part of the Birds of Prey and that she
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: thinks it's kind of what she's like those fucking dorky
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: do gooders. I like that, Yeah, how it feels on brand. Yeah,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: but there's you know, mutual respect and ship like that.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Like I thought that was like a cool They don't
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: have to all move into a loft together or something
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: exactly artisticcom Um, I have a list of just a
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: few kind of random things that I really enjoyed. Um
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: the soundtrack. I love the soundtrack, and I think mostly,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: if not all female artists on the soundtrack. The pretty
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: diverse cast in terms of of the five main female characters,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: three of them are women of color. It's a woman
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: of color who directed this movie, Kathy Anne. The writer
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: of the movie is a woman named Christina Hodson. She
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: is mixed. So we have, you know, the voices of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: women bumblebee, yes, And I didn't know that at first,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: and then I found out she had also written Bumblebee,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's why I didn't hate Bumblebee.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Like that's why I thought it was sort of because
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I went in being like, oh, this is a Transformers movie.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna it's gonna be bad. But then I was like, oh,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I actually liked this, and I was like, oh,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: that makes sense because like a good screenwriter's fun movies.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I really like it when Harley Quinn's psychoanalyzes people and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: like uses her like psychiatrists back, just like those moments
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: where you know she's using her degree. Baby um Ali
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Wong is in the movie. She's great love, a good comedian,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: and a bit part. I know. There is a moment
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: in the movie where Roman is talking to Harley Quinn
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: and he says, if you want mercy, shut that hole
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: in the middle of your face, which is not I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: know the crew member on the Titanics like that will
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: be one less on this boat if you don't shut that.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Cathy Fates is like, she said that to Cathy Bates.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I had that note as well. I've seen Titanic many
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: times and I did not make that pole. That's hilarious.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Anything that is even dialogue adjacent Titanic, we notice there's
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: another Titanic similarity with UM, like the diamond being used
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: as a like quas i aguffin. Yeah, it's like when
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so when the map is in the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: diamond and the diamonds and the kids her her because
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: the kid put the map and the diamond and put
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: the diamond, then the kid just imagine Billy Zane performing that.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: That's very good. Someone should let Billy Zane be in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: a superhero movie again. I will say one an other
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: like another just general thing that I like about this movie,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: which might be like controversial, but I think that especially
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: during this last the last fight sequence especially, I kind
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: of sense like, oh, this didn't have a very big
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: budget compared to most of these things. And it's true,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: like I think it was like it was under a hundred.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I was the Wonder Woman. Budget was considered low for
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: a superhero movie and that was like one five I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: want to say, So it is like they do low
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: ball these um, these first standalone female superhero movies. I
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: think like it in a very sexist way, like they
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: give them a lot less money than a similar film
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: featuring a male Superhero would, But I personally like the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: embrace of being a lower budget film, like through like
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: all the action sequence stuff, like we were talking about
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: being a much more kind of chop sucky martial arts
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Jackie Chan esque kind of film just felt very appropriate
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: for it. And I like that embrace of I don't
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: even I wouldn't even call it like an embrace of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: a limitation because I think it's just like figuring out
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: what kind of movie can work at that level and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: not trying to stretch it, like really feeling at home
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: at that budget level and recognizing like what is required
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: by the story. And I actually like that a lot.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Like next time out, I hope that she gets more
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: money she being Kathy Anne if she comes back to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: direct it, and the character of Harley Quinn. But but
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: in general, I thought that's another thing that felt really
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: refreshing about it to me. I don't know, yeah for sure.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts? I well, now now
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: because I didn't realize that Cassandra Kane was going to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: be Bad Girl, but like, I really hope that that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: happens now. I kind of like that was after I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: read the canon. I'm like, I hope that this canon
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: becomes relevant in future, right we found out who maybe
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: her birth parents were, or I don't know if I mean,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: if they're doing like a like a marvel esque like
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: phase one, phase two or whatever like and maybe ten
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: years down the road, we we'll see. I guess we'll
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: see if a female lead franchise will ever be allowed
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: multiple phases. Yeah, true, I don't know. We have to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: have grumpy Asian back girl folk. Come on for the people.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I need it so badly, sign me up. Well. Kathy
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Jan has already said in an interview that she does
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: want to direct a sequel. She wants to do it,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: and she wants to explore Harley's relationship with Poison Ivy
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: in the next movie, So I guess that we would
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: see her and Cassandra driving on to the next adventure,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: which I wonder. I kind of wonder if there is
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: a future for this franchise, and I hope there is, Like,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: how will the Birds of Prey still be there? Will
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: they just get their own separate movie, which I feel
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: like is maybe a SMARTYR move. I don't know. Well,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I hope that we get to find If you look
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: on IMDb at the time of this recording for Margot
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Robbie's upcoming projects as an actor, who all she produced
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the movie too, afgot Yes, she produced it. She's like
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: as far as like stars who are also producers. I
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: think she's like doing a bang up job as a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: producer recently. Like she uses her power very well, I think, definitely.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: And this movie wouldn't have even happened if it weren't
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: for her going to the studio and being like, I
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: want a Harley Quinn movie. I want it to be
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: R rated, and I want it to be like a
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: girl group movie, like an ensemble female lead narrative. So
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: like it was, she was like instrumental in this movie
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: even existing, and then you know the writer was brought
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: on and then Kathy Anne was hired, so like, it's
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: all thanks to Margot Robbie that this movie even exists.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: But here's something that might be disappointing or it might
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: not even be real. But at the time of this recording,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: if you go onto IMDb, in her like announced projects
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: upcoming projects, there is an untitled Joker slash Harley Quinn project.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: So if they put her back together with Joker, you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: it's just rumored it might not be real or might
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: this might just be like the Harley Quinn project that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: will be like a direct sequel to Birds of Prey.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Hard to say, but if they do have it be
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: like a weird like romantic story with Joker. I'm just like.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: But then there's also um Gotham City Sirens that is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: been announced where she's listed as Harley Quinn in that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: as well. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. So there's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: like she's got two things where she's listed as Harley
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Quinn that have just been announced. Of those two, I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: would much prefer Gotham City Sirens. Let's see who was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: attached to it. Mostly I am excited to see um
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie as Barbie, and that is something that I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: am genuinely thrilled about because Greti Growig is going to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: direct a Barbie movie. That's fine by me, all Right,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: everybody thing I didn't know, I don't well, you know,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: it could be something that's very easy to funk up
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: as well. We'll see, um okay. Gotham City Sirens is
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: listed as following three of gotham cities most notorious female
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: criminals on one of their most dangerous missions yet. Star
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie director James Gunn, writer oh Geneva Robertson D Warrett,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: who wrote Captain Marvel. Yeah, does anyone have anything else
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: they want to say about Birds of Prey? I don't
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: think so. I was. I was very happy to watch
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: it in Quarantine. Great great activity. Highly recommend it. It's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: a great quarantine movie. Let's figure out if the movie
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: passes the well, first, the bird the bird old test.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm bringing this bit back. As
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: far as I can tell, it doesn't pass the bird test.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: No birds. I'm hoping that our mentions are flooded and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: there's a bird we forgot. And then if it pass
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a miracle of being? What about the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: egg and the sandwich that was a future bird that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: never didn't get to be a bird? Okay, you know what,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: it passes. It's cut our loss as it passes because
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: life begins before conception in the case of an egg. Okay,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: we're pro life. I think the Pro life podcast it
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: only passes the bird test if you're pro life, right,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: but like super pro life, like kind of cosmically pro life,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: where every of them is a future, like purchasing a
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: billboard pro life. Oh my gosh, any who does it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test? Yes, a lot of two times
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: over many different combinations of characters as well, which is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: also kind of like for something that starts off as
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: a breakup movie, very like it's a cool trick to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: pull that, Like really it stops being like, as we
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: were saying, stops being about that pretty fast. It's about
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: her emancipation from it. So as far as our nipple
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: scale goes zero to five nipples based on its representation
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: of women, I would, honestly, maybe this is too generous,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: but I would give this like a four point five
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: out of five. You get to see women who aren't perfect.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's a trope that gets used too
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: much when people don't really know how to write female characters,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: they just write them to be these perfect, flawless specimens. Um.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, the characters we see in this movie,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: they are flawed, like you know, real people are, which
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: makes them feel more realistic. Despite this movie being very cartoony,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: A few characters are identifiably queer, Harley Quinn and Renee
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: Montoya and Ali Wong's character, but it's not the only
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: thing we know about those characters, especially for Harley Quinn
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: and Renee. In fact, maybe we could stand to learn
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: more about their queer identities. But either way, to me,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: it felt like their queerness was pretty normalized by the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: narrative rather than you know, a big to do being
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: made about it. So I enjoyed that aspect of their
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: kind of backstory and character development. Um. Also, the fact
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: that you have a lot of diversity on screen and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: behind the camera is great. I think that this movie
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it came in with an agenda to like be a
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: feminist text, and I think it does a really good
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: job in subverting a lot of tropes and just letting
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: us see like cool, kick ass women be awesome and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: beat the ship out of and or kill a bunch
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: of really horrible men. So there's for me a lot
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: to love. So yeah, I'll give it four point five
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: out of five. And um, I'll kind of disperse that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: evenly between the five main female characters, Harley Quinn, Cassandra Kine,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Black Canary renamed Montoya, and the Huntress. I'm gonna go
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: whenever I get into like fourth So you're just like,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? I can I guess, I guess
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four point to five. Maybe four,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe four. It feels too I don't know. Okay,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: the point is that that's what they need for to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: update our Wikipedia page. But whatever. But but I I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I think that this movie, I mean, it is by far,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: my I think, my favorite female driven superhero movie of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: this new generation of them that I'm seeing. And I
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: think that, I mean, just for listeners, they're not including Catwoman,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: and I know that I think that that is feminist
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: text Catwoman. I mean, I really really liked this movie
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: a lot. Um there's so much to love about it.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: My gripes are very specific and little. I do think
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: that there is just like there are too many characters
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: to the point where we don't get to know characters
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: that we should know. And I think that that very
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: likely has to do with the way that people, and
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: by people, I mean people who fund movies regard uh,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they just get insecure about just letting a
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: woman lead a movie, because if she does get to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: lead a movie, she needs a man to hold her
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: hand through the world. And if she doesn't need someone
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to hold her hand, then they just kind of like
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: overloaded it with too many characters. This would have been
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: three amazing movies. But it is one movie that I
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: really like. Um yeah, I don't know, I I just
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's the best. I love I love Cassandra Kine.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I want to see more of her. I want to
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: see more of her cast. I want to know more
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: about her. Give her two broken arms next time, two casts?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: How she break that arm? Uh? I like, I would
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: love It's just like the cast is just like a
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: fixture of her. It's never addressed, and she just always
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: has a broken arm. Um. But yeah, I I like
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie. Is I just I like Margot Robbie. I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: like this take on Harley Quinn where it acknowledges her
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: past but it doesn't define her biot, which is such
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: such a common, frustrating mistake. So and and also yeah,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that like women made this movie and women
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: made this movie happen is the best. So give it.
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  Speaker 1: I give it a four point to five, and I'll
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: give them all to Rosie Perez do with them. What
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: she meant. Her whole backstory is that, like her former
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: partner slash current captain at her precinct keeps stealing credit
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: for like cases she solved, and then she's just like,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: fuck you, dude, and then she goes off and becomes
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: a bird of prey. Yeah, she gets to quit her
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: job because now Mary Elizabeth Winstead is just like bankrolling
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: the operations and now she probably makes a six figure salary,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, Emily, what about you? Um, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that. I was having the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: same thought process about the four versus four and a half,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: because Ford does feel low, but for the same reason
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  Speaker 1: that you said, Jamie, Like, I do think it eludes
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: getting a five just because of of its dizziness. I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: think it could do better justice to fewer characters. But yeah,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I think I think because of the origins of it,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I think it and the fact that it is so
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: been by women's perspectives, I'll go the four point to five.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I'm copying, Yeah, which is which is great? Like that's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't think that the other one,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: the other female superhero movies that I've seen would come
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  Speaker 1: close to that, maybe like a three at best. I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: really haven't cared for any of them that have come
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: out so far, so I'm kind of just Caitlin. I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: almost want to revisit Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel at
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: some later time. I think we gave them. We scored
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: them pretty high. But at least for wonder Woman especially,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: like that was I wouldn't score a wonder Woman what
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, we did that quite sometimes, and I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: think we would. Um, you know, maybe it's worth a revisit.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: We grew up. Yeah, we got more. We did the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: podcast for a few more years and we knew more stuff.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: But I mean, considering that we give most most movies
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that we cover on the podcast don't get higher than
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: like an average of two nipples. Like most movies we
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: of one or zero. So um, the fact that this
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: gets like four or above is um pretty spectacular. Yeah,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I think. I mean when I think about those other
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: films too, it's like it's about them becoming a part
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: of like a military or somewhat military organization, and that's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the victory for them. Um. Like like women can fight
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: in World War one two, like a horrible war that
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: I have very little interest in strutting is cute little
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: butt through that war. I didn't see the nineteen seventeen
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I just I am obsessed with it. I kind of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: see George McKay's but in that war, it's just just
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: but um. But yeah, yeah, but in general, like I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: did also appreciate that this film, you know, if it
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: is going to be a girl power, female centric superhero movie,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: it's an out about like being a part of a
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: military or the cops. Like it's kind of about anarchy,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: which feels fun. Yeah. Well, Emily, thank you so much
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: for joining us and being here with us today. What
• 1:32:13
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• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: you can listen to the podcast that I co host
• 1:32:22
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• 1:32:25
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• 1:32:29
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• 1:32:33
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• 1:32:38
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