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Talks to Luke Molloy & Dylan Rees about their choice of Mindwarp (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blump.
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  Pen knife for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker. Welcome back.
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  To a Hamster with a Blood Pen Knife, the Doctor Who commentary
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  podcast I am currently broadcasting from Thoros Beta.
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  I'm here with my two mental friends who are now going to do
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  their laughs. Dylan Reese, Luke Malloy.
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  Yours is bad. Yours is bad.
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  Can I ask you gentlemen, if You're the end of your Tails Has
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  been inside Nicola Bright recently?
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  Sadly not, no. Unfortunately not,
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  unfortunately. Not you have to listen to
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  episode 2, everybody to understand that reference guys.
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  Well, how you enjoy Mind Warp so far.
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  It's good. It's it's uneasy.
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  It makes you think, yeah. It's a it's a difficult watch,
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  but a fun watch. And I've noticed it's not one of
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  these stories where you just sort of sit there and let it go
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  by. You notice new things and
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  whether it's character stuff or visual things, there's always
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  new little elements to pick up on.
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  So I'm I'm enjoying this, this watch through.
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  That's true. I always forget about that with
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  Pink Alien that. Yeah, that's what it.
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  Says for me. I didn't.
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  I didn't know it's a Terra laptal until you mentioned it's
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  a. Terra Laptal Mass.
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  Just pray. Well, I honestly always forget
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  that it's in here until I see. It's only because I watched
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  this. You always forget the Terra
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  lactals because the Visitation is the most doctor.
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  Boring. This that pink thing is another
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  radiant that has never turned up in spit off media.
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  So we've got 2 two in one. I don't.
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  Know whether the Terra Laptils ever have.
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  Oh, that surely have no, they shouldn't have done.
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  They shouldn't have done because the Terra.
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  Laptil masks go up in that fire as well.
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  Oh, I don't know. You guys talk amongst yourself.
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  I'm just going to say for Terra Laptil.
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  The two opt for TV expert is doing his research.
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  Oh, Luke, what should we talk about in the meanwhile?
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  Oh shit. The visitation is I've I've
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  never liked that story, never liked it.
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  I mean, they kill off, they kill off John Savadon in the pre
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  title spit, don't they? And he's the best thing in it.
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  Well, people say Richard Mace is good.
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  There's it's a It's a drag for me and just.
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  Because your attention. Just because he blows up London
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  at the end doesn't do anything for me.
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  Hello. Yes, go on.
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  The Terra Leptons come back in the same season they're they're
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  in time flight. Oh, of course they are, Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's like. If they got their own.
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  They also show up in the novelization of Slip Back and
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  the Virgin Mission adventure The Dark Path.
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  Oh, and a couple of Oh, they've been loads of.
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  Shit, that's David A McKinsey, isn't it?
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  Of course he loves Tide and continuity.
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  Hang on, hang on. Doctor Who, the 10th Doctor,
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  Titan Comics, Medicine Man, and Arena of Fear.
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  Next week on Too Hot For TV. With every commentary, a new
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  episode of Too Hot for TV bursts into existence.
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  What people don't realise is we're not, we're doing too hot
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  for TV's and I sound like I'm really knowledgeable on my
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  podcast, that I cut out the bit where I've just Googled Tele
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  laptops. Of course they're in the 10th of
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  the story and everything. It's Dylan knows everything.
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  Here's a little behind the scenes glimpse as to what's
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  really going on, because as we all know, I don't know how to
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  wear it. Do you Do you know what the Lucy
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  Wilson mysteries are? Yes, that's the spin off books
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  for kids that come from the Brigadier Rangers like the
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  Brigadiers. Great granddaughter or something
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  like that. Oh, you're right.
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  OK, Well, if we want to get really tenuous, I was just
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  giggling whether the bundles had ever come back.
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  Yeah, they're in. That they're in the the 4th book
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  of the Lucy Wilson Mysteries, which is aptly called the Banjul
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  Invasion. How the Banjuls have not
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  appeared in a big Finish bonds the mind.
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  Bled McCoy back. Yeah, Chip.
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  Or bringing Glenn McCoy. Should we go?
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  He wants to count, is it? Yeah, I I believe, you know, we
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  may have a like a rehearsal for Perry's death at the end of this
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  episode. OK, yeah man, with the knowledge
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  you have to point out where it happens.
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  No, it's a bit where it looks like she got shot at the end of
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  the episode. You were watching it, weren't
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  you, when you watched it through?
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  I can't remember. In five seconds, gentlemen, 432.
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  1. What do you mean this is?
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  We're watching? I haven't just skipped an
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  episode of We're watching episode seven, episode 3.
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  It ends with the guards shooting down.
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  You can't Perry. Everybody He.
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  Goes no, no, no, it's no, no, it's Dawn is in it No, no.
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  Yeah, but. As far as the trials concerned,
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  she's just died because that's why it's the cliffhanger.
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  Well. And it ends.
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  It's Sorry, it begins. The next episode Where I'm going
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  is Hairy, Dead and. The value I just goes spoilers
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  you. Know you know these sort of
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  matrix projections? You know that somehow they're
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  managing to watch this? How?
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  How is that possible? What it's a bit like, well,
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  they've got. Cameras zooming about the place
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  or. It's it's just the controller's
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  office of BBC One at the time that's.
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  All that's all. It's like he chose A adventure
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  from his future next week, doesn't he?
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  And like if if he's put on trial.
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  I believe, I believe, I believe you find at one point the Valley
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  art calls it the matrix of time and it's, you know, it's the
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  repository of all Time Lord knowledge, probably from the
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  past, the future and the present.
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  But the theoretically who's? Going Are we seeing this through
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  if he's? Going to lose the.
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  Trials. Run.
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  If if he's going to, if he's going to lose the trial, then he
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  can't have an adventure in his future.
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  I mean, the answer said no. He doesn't lose.
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  I think that's the big. Plot point though, but then but
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  then the matrix just said the matrix would change.
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  Oh yeah, because they've been erased from time.
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  These time loads know what they're.
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  Doing fixed points in. Time.
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  But then he'd be get then he'd be getting prosecuted on
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  evidence that never happens. Yeah, but also he would have
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  never existed to commit the crimes in the 1st place.
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  It's not just killing him, they're raising him from time.
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  Good. He deserves it after this.
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  If you want to talk about whose point of view things are
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  remembered from, why in every flashback scene does the Doctor
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  not remember it from his point of view?
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  In every or in any TV show, does the character not remember from
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  their point of view. Instead, they they have a lovely
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  flashback. And there they are in a previous
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  episode. Well, because doesn't he's
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  saying this. He's got amnesia or something
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  and the the vineyard goes oh really?
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  How convenient of you. Yeah, it's like, but that's what
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  happens when you're tugged out of time.
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  There's there's there's an obvious answer to all this.
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  It's sleep dust. It's it's sleep dust.
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  With those creatures in one of the wants and futures tonight.
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  No, it did look like it was very.
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  Very similar, no? The.
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  Only reason I asked about how we're who, whose eyes we're
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  seeing these through is that because at the end of every
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  scene where Colin Baker's behaving in a particularly evil
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  way, there seems to be this sort of dramatic zoom right on in him
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  as he's going. I'm just pulling these sort of
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  sort of. I'm not sure if I'm evil, but I
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  could be evil face and I'm like, well, whoever's filming this for
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  the for the prosecution is doing a great job.
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  Right now it's. I was trying to make my mind up
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  about what so like Colin when as a kid Colin used to be one of my
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  favourites but like now I can see him acting like I can almost
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  see the I know I can see him saying the lines but then.
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  Do not get that with Tom Baker. But the counterpoint to that is
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  that I can't really, I can't see Peter Davidson acting but then
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  he's putting in so little effort sometimes that like and it's
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  it's like it's not that he's technically he's a bad actor.
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  It's just that you can sort of see it in people.
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  And which one would you rather watch?
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  Someone you could see acting? I I'd rather watch Colin every
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  time over Peter Davidson. I no, I do agree as well.
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  Peter is still Colin. Just has a way with language as
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  well. Colin can make dialogue
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  flourish, whereas, you know, oh, it'll be an end of me as a Time
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  Lord, you know, half the time Davidson sounds very bored.
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  Yeah, Davidson's just trying to remember his lines for the
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  sitcom he's going into next week, you know?
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  What's that I've got to do, Doctor?
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  Oh, OK, let's do it. Come on.
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  I like that interview where he gives up where he's giving up
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  the role and he's and they're like, did you enjoy it?
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  And he's like, it wasn't my favorite part of the I'd just
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  love to see. I'd love to see a modern doctor
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  say that. And then you get Colin Baker on
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  the same interview show next week, right?
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  I'm so. I'm going to do seven years.
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  I'm so excited. That's the.
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  Sad thing, isn't it? Is.
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  You've got one actor who's like, oh, I'm going to do this because
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  it's a bit embarrassing that I've got arsed and like if I say
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  no and does 3 successful years and then you've got one actor
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  who just it's the best part he's ever had.
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  He really wants to do it. He got delivered some pretty
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  ropey scripts and then fires. Yeah, never, never, never say
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  how long you're going to stay in a party.
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  It's a recipe for disaster. I do like how sort of and much
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  Peter Davis could take the piss out of the show though, because
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  I don't think enough actors that feel at the show do it enough.
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  Well, well, Peter Davison for many years was quite distant
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  from the role I think. And then around the 50th he
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  suddenly started getting really involved but also like really
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  cheeky and really fun. Like he was always quite a bland
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  interview as well back in the day.
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  And then now he's like he seems to know loads about the show and
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  he finds it all very funny and just loves mocking it.
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  I can explain. Why?
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  I can explain why with a single word quote from seal money,
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  money, money, money money, money, money, money.
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  I don't think it's money for him.
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  He's worked consistently since he left the show.
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  Maybe it's. Just the adoration then.
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  Maybe it's the the the sort of cult celebrity status.
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  On that look who's driving feature on the new Blu-ray.
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  I loved it. He it did just sound like he
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  just wanted to be part of it because it was just a fucking
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  like. I think what happened was that
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  there was a lot of therapy that happened when they started doing
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  the original DVD commentaries for him and Janet, Janet, who
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  used to be really down on the show and has since been back in
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  the show. God, she said it more than
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  anyone at. The moment.
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  And so I think she. I think they, I think through
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  watching those they were able to talk it out between themselves,
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  realized that it was a long time ago and it was quite fun.
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  Look back on the good times they had as well rather than it just
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  being this. I think they were probably a bit
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  embarrassed to the show at the time.
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  Yeah, I. Think, Yeah.
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  That quote where he says in that forest that the show was crap, I
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  don't think he was lying. I don't think he was just
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  talking about silent flight. He was he was he, he, when you
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  watch it, it's a general. He's specifically talking about
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  time flight, but you can tell it's a general thing, but it's
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  all very, it's still quite tongue in cheek.
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  He goes, and it just looked crap and they go, what do you think
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  of the poem? It's crap.
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  And then he goes, no, no, no, no, I thought something was
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  good. So it's it's always.
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  Been taken out. There was a there was a thing,
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  and it's someone with the Blu Rays where Janet Fielding's on
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  stage at Panoptic in 1993 and Nick Briggs interviews her and
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  asks her about bringing Doctor Who back.
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  So no, I don't think it should come back.
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  I don't think it should come back.
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  And they sort of don't have an argument.
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  But you can tell Nick Briggs is quite put off by the fact she
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  doesn't think Doctor Who come back should come back.
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  And then she goes, how about the part plays by a by a woman and
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  like two people clap and that's. That's about how many people
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  clapped when it happened. So sorry.
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  You believe that? I I cheered.
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  We all. Cheer if I'm going to be that
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  person come. On.
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  I'm going to try and bring this back to my wall.
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  I was very up for it actually, but.
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  We know how that ended. I it took, it was probably only
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  in about 2016 where I thought this might be a good idea, and
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  then it happened the following year.
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  So you started it, basically. I wanted, well, if I had my
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  choice, I would have picked Ruth Wilson.
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  That she she just had the look and everything for everything.
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  Tam's and Greg Ortonia Miller would have been my.
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  Oh, both of those two as well. What?
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  Is still two of them still in two?
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  Yeah, no, they would have been fantastic.
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  I I I'm going to named you. I worked with Tam's and Greg
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  last week and she did a photo shoot and the way she looked at
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  that camera, I thought, that's fucking Doctor Who there.
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  Oh wow. I'm the producer of Doctor Who.
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  You can make it happen, can't you?
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  Yeah, he's an old doctor. Can you imagine if he gets that
• 13:37
  job, we would know the hottest person in in Doctor.
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  Who I? Already tell people I podcast
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  with an Emmy Award winner? An Emmy for podcasting, though,
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  That's what I keep reminding. Them you should I?
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  Should I should if I got the the Doctor Who producer role, like
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  decanonize Capaldi just to piss you off?
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  I think only two people will be pissed off.
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  Don't worry. The two that clapped.
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  I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to that.
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  So we just passed where they had the slave fish.
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  Should we just start And they they all go a bit crazy don't
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  they? And and you.
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  Carlos is trying to kill Dorf and Perry's getting in between.
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  For a second I was seeing a sitcom in the making you know
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  down in the caves. Oh, that.
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  These these costumes I keep talking about doctor
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  conventions, but apparently that's what I do at this
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  convention I was at. No, you've mentioned costumes
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  because you've got your little fashion designers that you
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  follow. And they all dress like silk.
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  But the the, the, no, the mentors like prosthetic costumes
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  were all at the convention. And there's a picture of me like
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  7 years old, eight years old, just stood next to the empty,
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  the empty costumes with no faces.
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  They will have long deteriorated now because Latex doesn't last
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  you. Had a thought of?
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  Some empty orange costumes from Mind War.
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  We should have known. Really.
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  The. Mentor the mentor.
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  Oh, OK. Still and Co do.
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  You know, I saw Phil Newman once at a phantom convention trying
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  to get signatures. Were playing a mentor in
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  Dimensions in Time. Oh, lovely.
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  Feel lovely. Feel Demon.
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  Yeah, but that's Phantom. They'll invite anybody along.
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  It's. True.
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  They invited the little boy from 30 years in the TARDIS along.
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  I love seals Line there Half my money if you give me a 5 minute
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  start. When I when I was watching this
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  the other day, this I I start to get a bit bored around this
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  point. Now I didn't get I don't get
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  bored in part 4 or anything, but this little bit of part three
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  and where it meanders a little bit I think is where it slightly
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  falls off the boil. I think 4 is a really good
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  episode of Doctor. For so mental that it can only
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  just capture irritation. There's a bit where the slaves
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  are all freed and they're sort of dancing around the corridors
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  like that's like, well, that's all we got to that point.
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  I think this thing's just gone batshit, isn't it the.
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  First, the first time they turn up in a minute I I again, I just
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  totally forgot they were in it. I was like, who?
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  Who are these people? It's just that this is a load of
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  different people that live in in the caves and so there.
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  Was something quite meta going on here as well?
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  Them going to find the slaves? It's also trad Doctor Who in
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  this very non trad Doctor Who story.
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  I was like I'm missing something.
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  I think, I think, I think Philip Martin's kind of, because he's a
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  prestigious playwright and television writer, I think he's
• 16:34
  interested in doing Doctor Who. Not in the same would way of not
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  interested in writing for the Doctor, but I think perhaps he's
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  sort of half remembering what the tropes of Doctor Who are and
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  half trying to do his own thing. Which I think you should.
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  Maybe that's the right? Balance.
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  But yeah, it might be the right balance.
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  Has anybody seen any of Philip Martin's other work?
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  No. No, although someone's chosen
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  gangsters for Hamster Extra, so I will be watching.
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  Someone you're going to watch the whole two seasons there?
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  Oh, I don't know. Is it good?
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  It's, I mean, it's one of the most fantastic television
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  programmes ever made. And that is high praise.
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  Yeah, like, it starts off as a fairly traditional gangster
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  story, but it turns into the most meta.
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  You watch Philip Martin's career implode during that second
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  series as it becomes the weirdest television show you've
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  ever. Seen.
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  Oh, you entice me. I can't wait.
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  And you didn't give any spoilers.
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  There's like the opposite of Joe.
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  I mean, I can give you spoilers if you want, but I gave.
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  Dylan I gave Luke Malloy one of those Buffy podcast episodes.
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  This is so don't worry, there's no spoilers in there.
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  And you listen to four or five. It was low, absolutely black.
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  And it's not even like I'm at the beginning of Buffy.
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  I'm halfway through the bloody thing.
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  Sorry, Luke. I've still never seen it, so I'm
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  sorry I've never listened to your podcast.
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  You can't. You can't.
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  I don't blame ya. It's just a bit grim, isn't it?
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  They're going to smash their skulls in just so they can't
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  experiment on their brains. I mean, I think that's fair.
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  Sometimes you've got to do they're going.
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  To get that poor old man to do it, like holding that
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  polystyrene rock up. It looks a bit like Sean
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  Connery, doesn't it? There's something about you're
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  going to think I'm crazy, but there's something about
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  Jokanos's confidence in himself. It's very sexy, you know?
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  I think I'll probably, I'll probably would.
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  You know, it'd be like being let loose on a bouncy castle.
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  But I'd have fun. Oh, which, which way round?
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  Oh, there's a bit, you cheeky fuck.
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  Come round and find out. There's there's there's no way
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  that you can't us as a bottom. Well then don't worry.
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  I'll see him on, Grinder. He ain't going to be.
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  Disappointed then? That was the bit where he had
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  the cup of tea. Yeah, he.
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  Had a cup of tea and now he's given someone with CPR.
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  I like to think they cut away because he was about to do math
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  to math then, but they thought they might be too graphic even
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  for this. So we know when Carlos gets
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  really angry, he does give off a bit of Ian Levine energy,
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  doesn't he? Like it's a bit like if if Ian
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  Levine heard that Gary Russell was animate and the celestial
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  toy bacon, it would be peak Yukonos.
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  It was a moment during that interminable 5 hour interview
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  that he did. Now, I didn't watch any of it,
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  but Mark did just show me one little bit that he was watching
• 19:34
  where someone's offering to make him a drinker and he goes like
• 19:40
  he's and he he said it just like in Yukonos.
• 19:42
  You're right, yeah. I I interviewed Ian Levine for
• 19:46
  my next book and he halfway through, he literally shouts at
• 19:51
  his housemaid come. Back.
• 19:53
  Come. Back.
• 19:54
  Come back? Like a split little child.
• 19:57
  Can you release the whole thing please?
• 19:59
  I can't. I can't see it.
• 20:02
  Oh, this is fun, I know. I think this is we're starting
• 20:05
  to have a bit of fun with the Doctor again now, where he's
• 20:07
  doing a commerce with SEAL and he's teaching him all about the
• 20:10
  future. And well, if you give them a bit
• 20:12
  of money, they're going to find all that wreckage, all of that
• 20:16
  stuff. Yeah, it's starting to go a bit
• 20:18
  more of way. But even though I'm saying like
• 20:20
  I don't like the evil the Doctor's evil performance, it's
• 20:24
  because he is actually too evil. And in that way it's actually
• 20:28
  the best performed evil Doctor there is.
• 20:31
  So it all it all again, it's like mind warp itself.
• 20:33
  It's just it turns. You can never quite just put
• 20:38
  your eggs in one basket. With it's like, I'll tell you
• 20:40
  what it is, the story's unsure about itself, just as you are
• 20:43
  unsure about the story. You know, the whole thing is
• 20:46
  just rolled With it's. Quite hard to say anything
• 20:48
  certain about your feelings on my but.
• 20:50
  It's a good one to talk about because of it.
• 20:54
  Yeah, and and Dylan's right. You do always see something new.
• 20:56
  Like I say, I forgot. I forgot the pink alien was in
• 21:00
  it. I forgot the slaves were in it.
• 21:04
  I forgot how Camp Matrona Carney was.
• 21:06
  Dylan, Sorry. Please make your point.
• 21:07
  No, no, I was just going to say, do you think there's an
• 21:09
  alternative timeline where there's just the the Doctor and
• 21:13
  Seal going around being evil capitalists?
• 21:16
  Oh please. They're total Thatcher rights,
• 21:20
  yeah. Come on, come on, Big finish.
• 21:22
  There's a box set I need. And Nabil Shabal and Colin Baker
• 21:26
  still hang out. It'd be perfect.
• 21:27
  Don't they? They mates.
• 21:29
  I I believe they do know each other outside of the show, yes.
• 21:35
  It does make them marshmallows look really, really horrible,
• 21:39
  doesn't it? Yeah.
• 21:40
  Which is great. His horrible pink tongue that
• 21:43
  keeps coming out. Yeah, as he keeps licking his
• 21:46
  latex fingers covered in slightly Peaches.
• 21:49
  Oh, this bit made me die when the old fella falls.
• 21:52
  Out. Oh, I I laughed.
• 21:54
  I genuinely thought he died of old age.
• 21:57
  I forgot. There's an in stories for it.
• 21:59
  But this is basically what Willie Martha does.
• 22:03
  He's very meta. We're watching the same.
• 22:05
  Planet again, Dylan but but he's only 20 years old.
• 22:09
  Lina, Are you sure you just? Don't find that out for a while.
• 22:13
  And I was sitting here the other night going surely not.
• 22:16
  Surely he hasn't just died at all at.
• 22:20
  The moment we've we catch up with him, yeah, have we passed a
• 22:25
  bit where they go to the weapons dump and the fella comes out of
• 22:28
  the rocks, We're going to pass that bit.
• 22:30
  No, I don't know. Although the rebellion sort of
• 22:33
  happened, doesn't it? Or do they they go just before
• 22:35
  they rescue Perry later. I can't.
• 22:38
  Remember, I'm I'm more watching dilly.
• 22:40
  I'm waiting for another story about Pinups God 9.
• 22:45
  That is one of those. Lines they give Perry that
• 22:49
  Nicola Bryan cannot sell. You know, I think that's what's
• 22:52
  responsible for his premature aging.
• 22:55
  It's a line that nobody would say.
• 22:58
  It's a lot of dicking around in caves this though, isn't it?
• 23:00
  Like once you get over the initial look and it stays
• 23:03
  consistent that the the look is great.
• 23:06
  There's only a few sets, realistically, but they're
• 23:08
  recycling and well. But I think that's where blessed
• 23:10
  is a blessing, because he's so fun to watch.
• 23:14
  Nice. Well, funnily enough, Luke
• 23:17
  Malloy. That's one of the later
• 23:18
  Panopticans. Brian Blessed came and did a
• 23:20
  panel there and he was very entertaining.
• 23:23
  That's all I've got. I was, I was recording.
• 23:26
  I was recording with Ian Winston the other day and they were
• 23:28
  recording a commentary for this, right?
• 23:31
  And he said they got halfway to halfway through episode 2 and he
• 23:36
  went fuck me, I can't remember the celebrity's name.
• 23:40
  There he goes. There's a celebrity in my
• 23:42
  kitchen. I'm just doing something for Doc
• 23:44
  and this is all on the bloody commentary.
• 23:46
  Oh yeah, I've heard it. It's brilliant.
• 23:49
  Sorry, go on. No.
• 23:52
  I was going to say, have you heard the Brian Blessed playing
• 23:54
  Omega from Cutaway comics? This.
• 23:56
  No. If ever there was perfect
• 23:59
  casting. Yeah, it's it's a lot of fun.
• 24:02
  So mine mine was wildly off topic, but I just wanted to
• 24:05
  know, Joe, what's that quote from More journal dead with
• 24:09
  Tegan When she's like it's like travelling through a full
• 24:12
  blender. It's something along those
• 24:15
  lines, but I thought you might know it.
• 24:17
  That's pretty much it I think. She says something like, I mean
• 24:21
  half is it's something I can't remember what it.
• 24:23
  Is what? Why are you thinking of that?
• 24:25
  Just because you did a Perry accent before, it sounds like my
• 24:29
  Teagan. Yeah, sorry.
• 24:31
  That shot of F when Keith wakes up and sees sill and it sort of
• 24:35
  fades in his his face. It's just the last thing you'd
• 24:39
  want to see where he go. From contrast this right with
• 24:42
  time Lash, which also had Perry joining up a group of rebels,
• 24:46
  and they're also fucking boring. But you've got Brian Blessed
• 24:49
  who's just up for anything here. He's like, come on, well, I'll
• 24:52
  scout ahead. No, we'll all scout ahead.
• 24:54
  Come on, let's go. I I prefer time lash to this.
• 24:58
  You're mad. No, I.
• 25:01
  See. I think it's fun.
• 25:02
  I'm not a classic fan. I I watched Time Lash when I was
• 25:05
  a kid and thought it was great, and then learned that everyone
• 25:08
  hated it. It's just.
• 25:10
  It's the Rings of Akatin of the Classic series for you.
• 25:13
  The best thing about Time Lash is the bull rads make up.
• 25:16
  The rest of it is. Oh, I'm Paul Darrow.
• 25:18
  Paul Darrow. Yeah, no, I like the bit where
• 25:20
  the Android just appears in part one and then it gets sent back
• 25:23
  in time. Part 2.
• 25:25
  Great bit. Of timey wimey timey wimey.
• 25:28
  Now there was a bit of a flaw in in old Cosier's plot here.
• 25:34
  It's like I. Do.
• 25:37
  Crozier, Crozier, whatever. So gives brains too big for his
• 25:44
  head because he's expanding so much.
• 25:46
  So they put him in an identical body with an identical sized
• 25:50
  sized head. It's like, of course you're
• 25:52
  going to need a bigger head. But also, I don't think Perry's
• 25:55
  head is much bigger than that either.
• 25:57
  They need to find something with a massive head, yeah.
• 25:59
  But bigger once they put all her hair inside that bald cap.
• 26:03
  But they don't transfer, say the brain do.
• 26:04
  They transfer the the brain won't.
• 26:07
  No, but that's what. But it's hurting so much because
• 26:09
  the brain's getting bigger and pushing through his skull, isn't
• 26:12
  it? When he goes from one to the
• 26:14
  other one to the other mentor, yes, it's the whole brain.
• 26:18
  But when he goes from the other mentor to Perry, it is literally
• 26:21
  just the contents of his brain, but the personality.
• 26:24
  Yeah, but yeah, you have got a point.
• 26:27
  You've got a point. Well, it continues to.
• 26:28
  They need like a sensorite or something with a massive head.
• 26:31
  Why is his brain expanding anyway?
• 26:33
  Do they explain that? It's they're all to do with like
• 26:36
  transmogrification and stuff, aren't they?
• 26:38
  So they're trying, they do these experiments on other people, but
• 26:41
  they're really trying to better themselves.
• 26:43
  Oh, there's the man in the rocks, The polystyrene rocks
• 26:47
  that fall here. Oh, no.
• 26:51
  I've got a feeling they're going to get captured by the guards
• 26:53
  now. Martha's dad's going to come
• 26:54
  along. There he is.
• 26:55
  Are. We are we towards the end.
• 26:57
  Oh my God. At the end, they're flying
• 26:59
  through this. I don't like this cliffhanger
• 27:02
  though. I find it mad that we literally
• 27:04
  get a bloodbath here and the cliffhanger is still of Colin's.
• 27:10
  The floor. Wasn't there a decree?
• 27:13
  It has to be on Colin's face. Yeah, J&T always wanted to
• 27:17
  finish on Colin's face. Make that what you will.
• 27:20
  And because he has eaten all those pasties, man, he feels the
• 27:23
  scream, doesn't he Blesses our Although what went wrong with
• 27:29
  terror of the Verboys then? I swear, episode one ends of all
• 27:32
  those explosions in the Hydroponic Centre.
• 27:34
  Yeah. And it's the best cliffhanger of
• 27:35
  the season. But that's because they've got
• 27:39
  Bonnie Langford, who can scream in the key of the theme tune at
• 27:41
  that point. So it's it's the other director
• 27:44
  from Jay on to Jay on T Jay. Why?
• 27:46
  Else can she scream? Jaunty JMT I love the fact that
• 27:52
  look, even though he's been held at gunpoint now, he literally
• 27:54
  just takes a swing for him, doesn't he?
• 27:57
  It was an experiment. You're doing the animations
• 28:01
  wrong. Have you got £100 for the
• 28:06
  massacre? You said Crozier was the worst
• 28:09
  actor. I think it's Twoser.
• 28:11
  He's terrible. But twoser's too subtle.
• 28:14
  Didn't he end up in Brookside? I think he did, you know?
• 28:17
  Yeah. Everyone ends up in a soap of it
• 28:21
  we've. Not actually talked about it,
• 28:22
  but don't you just love Michael, Jason, It's the value.
• 28:25
  He's great, is it? It's such a defining feeling.
• 28:30
  I think Jane Baker said it best, you know, in the Terror of the
• 28:32
  Verve voice commentary. When she goes, you know, Colin,
• 28:35
  Michael and Linda are terrific. I don't care what you're all
• 28:38
  saying about the trial seems. And he's the perfect, you know,
• 28:42
  answer where you go with and it's and because it's not the
• 28:45
  master, it's just something more interesting.
• 28:48
  Now he looks. We don't even know yet, do we?
• 28:51
  Yeah, but we know it's not that. Well, I suppose you would know
• 28:53
  it's not of us. Yeah.
• 28:55
  Now he looks like a bit of beef jerky.
• 28:57
  He's such a shuffled old man that has smoked 4000 cigarettes
• 29:02
  a day for the entirety of his life.
• 29:04
  He's always hanging at the bar at the phantom conventions
• 29:07
  waiting for someone to buy him a drink.
• 29:09
  I'm also saying the the odd anti Jew common at the.
• 29:13
  Same time he's he's he's not. Yeah.
• 29:17
  I mean, I wasn't at his panel at the last convention I went to,
• 29:19
  but Mike Donaldson was and he said he said I only caught the
• 29:22
  end, but I did hear him say I'm not anti black or anti-gay but
• 29:26
  and everybody just. The trouble is, is they live
• 29:30
  YouTube these interviews, You know they should put a like a
• 29:33
  32nd delay just so they could edit.
• 29:36
  Did you hear John Levine's for oh, I can't remember the
• 29:42
  podcast. Quite recent, though.
• 29:44
  And it's like unfiltered. Levine.
• 29:45
  Yes. That's the one I keep telling
• 29:47
  everyone to listen to. No, I haven't heard where we
• 29:49
  asked the half an hour run about politicians.
• 29:53
  And and rapists, Yeah, And he's. Like and then he starts crying
• 29:56
  and going in. Such a terrible world.
• 29:58
  It's, it's. Fascinated.
• 30:00
  But that was the sirens of audio and I don't think they should
• 30:03
  put it out. He's an absolute fucking madman.
• 30:07
  I mean, they all are, aren't they?
• 30:09
  All these Michael Jason quickly like maybe he's a terrible
• 30:12
  person. Who knows.
• 30:14
  But he's a fucking good actor and he can he can even turn Pip
• 30:18
  and Jane dialogue into gold when he tries.
• 30:21
  There's a great being vervoids where Colin's going.
• 30:23
  No. You know everything would have
• 30:25
  made me prevent Aaron Jason cuts him down with.
• 30:28
  Yet you did not And it's like. The best thing you can say is
• 30:32
  that when Big Finish did do the final adventure, Colin Baker, it
• 30:38
  felt really fitting that it was the Valley Yard that would see
• 30:42
  him off. Do you know what?
• 30:43
  I can still remember the last two lines.
• 30:45
  He goes, the valley yard goes. What about your precious morals?
• 30:49
  Scruples, Dr. and Colin goes. They died with me.
• 30:54
  And the idea is that's when you become Sylvester Mccoy's, you
• 30:57
  know, morally ambiguous Dr. It's great.
• 31:00
  I would love to listen to that again.
• 31:01
  I don't think I'm really gay. And then the the the noise of
• 31:05
  the Ronnie's beams from terror at the time and Irani cuts in.
• 31:08
  Oh, that's great. I do remember you heard like a
• 31:10
  just a little bit of silver, just like the first thing of
• 31:13
  silver. Yeah, and then the same tune
• 31:15
  goes from the trial version into the McCoy version.
• 31:18
  They mix them in together. My God, do you ever when Big
• 31:21
  Finish used to actually work on the Really.
• 31:24
  At least at least to. Try.
• 31:27
  Back when it used to get your blood pumping, yeah.
• 31:31
  What gets your blood pumping now?
• 31:32
  Not once. In future, that's for sure.
• 31:35
  Viagra. It's just.
• 31:37
  Just to sort of mark the car when this is recorded tomorrow
• 31:41
  the the 2nd to last, Once and Future starring Caroline Ford is
• 31:45
  coming out so everyone will know when we recorded this now and
• 31:48
  we're all waiting it with bated breath.
• 31:51
  And then the one after that won't be out until, well, even
• 31:55
  after this time next year. What?
• 31:57
  There's one more. There's one more in November
• 32:00
  2024. Oh my God, What the fuck is
• 32:04
  that? I've NT Gatwar as the Doctor.
• 32:08
  So do we know who's in the final one?
• 32:11
  No. Oh.
• 32:12
  God. And we don't know why it's
• 32:13
  delayed until 12:00. Well, I'm assuming delayed till.
• 32:16
  2024 It's because Joe Martin's in it, isn't it?
• 32:19
  And Joe Martin's stuff's been delayed by the BBC.
• 32:23
  Yeah. Or or David Sayles.
• 32:25
  I've known the car be David say, OK, yeah, it's got to be that.
• 32:29
  Anyway, back to the Mindwarm commentary.
• 32:34
  Tell us, are you excited for Episode 4 and the Death, Perry?
• 32:38
  This is, yeah, I'm excited because it is.
• 32:40
  It's quite it's a unique episode of Doctor Who, isn't it?
• 32:43
  You don't get many episodes like part of your childhood Time
• 32:46
  Lord. Just like, don't.
• 32:48
  Just like Steven Moffat, the deaths all undone by the end of
• 32:51
  the story. As they should be.
• 32:54
  Boo. What kind of?
• 32:58
  There.