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Barry Stagner: The Time Of The Signs & Earth’s Final Events · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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So the book we're going to talk about today is called The Time of the Signs, a chronology
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of Earth's final events.
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It's from Pastor Barry Stagner and he and his wife Terry grew up and resided Orange County
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California.
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I used to live there.
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It seems like a lot of years ago at this point, but they've been married since 1977.
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Wow.
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There is the senior pastor of Calvary Central OC in Costa Mesa, California.
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He's the host of The Line Up, which discusses world events in Bible prophecy every week.
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He's also the author of six books to date and he and his wife frequently speak at
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conferences, retreats, they address top topics of marriage, ministry, prophecy.
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We've got two children, four grandchildren, and his YouTube channel, The Truth about
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God.
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And that's Barry Stagner, The Truth about God, brother, so good to have you on Worldview
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Matters.
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And it's great to see you.
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Welcome.
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Well, thank you so much.
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It's a privilege to be on with you, David.
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So yeah.
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Well, you're most welcome.
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The book.
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Just the title alone, the sign of The Time of the Signs because people think about the
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sign of the times, but you flipped it.
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So I'm sure that's gathered or garnered a lot of attention and a lot of people have
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been talking about it.
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Why this book now at this point based on what you've written before, why this one now?
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Well, I think there's a lot of questions as to the when will this or how does this
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feed into that that, you know, there's a lot of talk out there and a lot of opinions
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out there.
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So I just wanted to take it from a biblical perspective, answer things as best as possible
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in a chronological order as to how they will develop now.
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Some of them are hard and fast.
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I mean, we know after the Great White Throne Judgment comes seven or hell and all those
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other things.
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But you know, Wednesday, Isaiah, 17 prophecy fulfilled, Wednesday's Ezekiel war.
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Yes.
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Where does the rapture fit into all this?
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So I just wanted to kind of approach it from that direction.
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I see you talk about obviously the millennium, the seven, the seventy of seven.
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That's fascinating.
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So you go back to Daniel, right, in other places, I'm sure.
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One thing I wanted to ask you, brother, this is just really neat.
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Amir Sarfati, love this man of God, what a watchman on the wall and just keeps everybody
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on the cutting edge of what's happening in Israel.
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He wrote the forward to your book.
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Tell us about how that came to be in your relationship with Amir.
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Well, just almost by surprise, some years ago, Amir and I went up speaking
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at the same prophecy conference and sits in Adi Ohio, how we admit, I think like thousands
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of other people in Israel, just kind of a handshake thing.
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But we wound up at a conference where he and I were the only two speakers.
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And we just kind of did the kiddin spirit thing and we've been traveling the world together
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ever since.
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So enjoy his company.
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We both find ourselves to be a little bit anti sensationalism and just think the Bible
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sensational enough on its own.
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We don't need to try and grandstand or anything.
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You want to explain that a little bit because I like that, that idea, anti-sensational because
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a lot, I mean, people take something and run with it and then it kind of gives the church
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a black eye sometimes.
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Talk to a little bit about that, a little bit more Barry.
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Well, I think that's important because we just went through something again with an
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eclipse and you know, if you look at some of these things in scripture and you know,
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we know from Joel, and you know, the whole blood moon saying that we went through some
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years ago, you know, the September deal where there was a rapture was going to happen on
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a specific date in September and you're right, it kind of makes the church look silly.
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But you know, if we just carefully examine what the text says, we can come away with what
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we ought to be focused upon, what is strictly related during the tribulation and what would
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have precursors to it that would eventually be fulfilled during the tribulation.
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And you know, if we look at the Joel passage in particular, what happens with this, when
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the moon is turned into blood is simultaneous with the sun becoming black and sack cloth.
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So until that happens, that's not the fulfillment, you know, of that particular event.
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So I just think we need to be careful about bringing exactly what you said, given the church
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or black eye.
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Yep.
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It's interesting you brought up the eclipse, but yeah, we saw a lot of that going on.
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And come on guys, get, be grounded in the word, right, and be discerning.
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By the way, I didn't give you a website, berrystagnert.com, the book is also available and doing
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extremely well five star ratings over at amazon.com, the time of the signs.
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So Barry, what specific current global events do you see as being relevant to Bible prophecies
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as mentioned in your book?
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Well, Israel, obviously, I mean, anything just the things we're seeing that are on
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the moon precedent at scale.
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I think just remind us that we're late in the days, so to speak.
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And you know, we're looking forward to that moment and twinkling up an eye experience.
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I believe that could happen at any moment in time.
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But watching things develop as we see Zachary, I 12, 3 in the precursors to it being fulfilled
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even now, I just one of the deals on my program this evening is an article about the
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indoctrination of three K children into hitting Israel.
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And there's an indoctrination system up in a Portland, Oregon, you know, to where they're
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basically being told, you know, that these colonization all that has happened to the Palestinians
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is these we stood up against.
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You need to hate the Jews fighting in Zionism and all that.
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So I think what Israel taking center stage and it's always been kind of a curiosity to
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me, David, that, you know, you've got here, you've got 8800 square miles on the surface
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of this whole earth, and you've got 70 square miles that makes up the city of Jerusalem.
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And then finally, 35 acres is going to take center stage on the world platform, and that
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is the temple mount.
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And boy, we heard a lot of talk about the temple mount on Jerusalem day just yesterday.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Listen, it's interesting.
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First, you brought up what kids are learning now.
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It grooms them to beat, I mean, the LGBTQs do and they're grooming, but also the anti-Semites,
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the anti-Israel, that's going on in the schools because when they get to the universities,
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they're going to be even more embedded with this radical anti-Semite, you know, anti-ideology
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because Barry, I think a lot of people were shocked to see what was happening on college
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campuses after October 7 last year, and there are even Christians that are confused somehow.
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They're confused about Palestine, Hamas.
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Can you speak to that for a moment because that's probably one of those current events
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and signs that you talk about?
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Oh, absolutely.
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We live at an age of delusion and confusion, and you know, if you just take a quick glance
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through history, you can see clearly a physical presence of the Jews for some 3,500 years
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in that geographic region of the world, and especially in the city of Jerusalem.
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You've got archeological evidence of two previous temples, and yet, you know, the world
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buys into the displaced Palestinians and all these other things, and you know, we're
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hearing today in these mantras of, you know, from the river to the sea, from the Jordan
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to the Mediterranean, Palestine will be free, and that's just an anti-Semitic chant.
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That means you'll all the Jews.
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Yeah, I don't think people understand that.
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In fact, you've, I'm sure you've seen some of those videos where people were interviewed
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at these marches, and they have no idea what it means, but they're marching, they're
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shouting, and they have no idea what they're saying, and this is the level of, I guess that
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would be on the delusion side rather than confusion, but they've been indoctrinated.
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They bought the talking points.
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They're following the media, they're following the universities, and it's really sad, but
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it is prophetic, right, because you and a lot of other people read about this.
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Want to ask you about the book's focus on the imminent return of Christ.
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We don't hear immenency talked about, I don't think enough, and just personally, but what
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would you say to readers who are maybe a little skeptical of prophetic interpretations of current
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events, Barry?
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Well, you know, we have a lot of preterists and people of that particular interpretation
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that look back to 70 AD and Titus destruction of Jerusalem, and looking at that as a fulfillment
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of Matthew 24, 3 to 8, and the balance of that chapter, the Olivet discourse, or the
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two chapters to make it up, and then also, you know, revelation winds up being allegorized.
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But I think one of the most important things for us to recognize is that what was said
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there is literally taking place right before our eyes.
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You've got a coalition of nations that are named in the Ezekiel 38 and 39 war scenario
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that are operating together. Three of them have personnel and hardware on the northern
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border of Israel, that being Turkey, Russia, and Iran, or the Persians, and of course there's
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the relationship ideologically, at least with two of those nations, with Libyan Sudan.
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And so if this particular element is to be taken as fulfilled historically or even
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allegorically, then why is everything literally happening as the Bible has foretold?
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And you know, we live in just an amazing time, David, as I know you will know, just to
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see so many things that I think scholars throughout the ages were scratching their head.
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How is Israel going to be a nation again?
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How can these dry bones of, we don't have to ask that question.
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We know that it has come to pass, and David, if you're good, I don't want to ramble on
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take too much time, but I think one of the most important passages in recognizing the existence
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of the Jews to be that, which is scriptically identified, is in Ezekiel 36.
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I mean, we often start in chapter 37, but in 36, in 21 and 22, the Lord says, you know,
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every day that you, the Jews were outside of the national homeland I gave you, my name
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was being profaned. So he told Israel, I'm not doing this for your sake. I'm not bringing
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you back for your sake. I'm bringing you back for my name's sake, for my glory. So, you
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know, I think when you understand that, then everything else begins to make sense.
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Excellent point, Barry. Read the whole book of Ezekiel, not just 37 and beyond. By the
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way, we've got to take a brief pause with Barry Stagner, the website, BarryStagner.com.
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The book is called The Time of the Signs. Barry, you mentioned colonization, I'm thinking,
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there's, this goes beyond illusion to maybe blinders because just by looking at a map and looking
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at land space and who occupies all the land and all the nations around Israel, I mean, I don't
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know, the people just denied their own eyes, but we'll be right back on World View Matters with
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Pastor out in Southern California. Love this brother. Love it. Must be a great church. I haven't
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been there in years. We'll get to visit sometime. It's Calvary Central OC, Orange County.
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Barry, you mentioned Israel as God's timepiece and you really just alluded to the rebirth in
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1948. So as the era, as the start of this era, of signs, and a lot of people are into signs,
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some people little too much emphasis on that. I've always looking for a sign, right? And you know
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it asks Jesus for a sign. You know how he responded. But could you delve a little bit deeper into the
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significance of God's timepiece and the rebirth of Israel? Well, looking back in Daniel 9, we see
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that there's a set of epads that are determined for Daniel's people in the Holy City.
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And the Hebrew word there would be well understood as a seven year period because of the relationship
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with the sabbatical year and all. And so there are divisions in the 70 weeks. There's seven weeks
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and 62 weeks, seven years, seven seven year periods. And then there's a break. And then there's
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the final 70th week of Daniel that is yet to be fulfilled. So that, you know, in between
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week 69 and week 70, you've got the church age. And we are, I think, late in the game in the
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church age. And I think the 70th week of Daniel is on the horizon. Yeah, oh my goodness. I think,
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did you ever think, I think I don't know a lot of people who would say, yeah, I saw this coming,
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when you look at world events today, even maybe the state of America and we'll take it a step
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further, Barry, the state of the American church, maybe the biblical illiteracy, maybe the
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lukewarmness. Did you think, I mean, even when you were a young, maybe studying at seminary
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or preparing to be a pastor, did you think we would see some of the things we're seeing, the times
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we're living in now in the state of the church end of the, actually the world, really?
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Well, I don't think any of us really knew what it would look like specifically.
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But I think we all knew it was coming. But I think the greatest surprise is the speed in which
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it has happened. But that, you know, it's completely consistent with Revelation chapter 1 verse 1,
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where Jesus and telling John, he's going to show him things that will shortly take place. And
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shortly doesn't mean soon, it means in quick succession. And so we would expect even as we're
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moving toward the tribulation. And David, one of the most important things I think for us to take
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note of, as we talk about these kinds of things, things that are precursors to what will ultimately
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be fulfilled during the tribulation, is that the tribulation doesn't last long enough
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for these things to develop. They have to have already to degree be in play in order for the
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Antichrist to deceive the whole world and to cause those who dwell on the earth to take a mark.
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And those who refuse to take the mark, the earth dwellers are going to be complicit in their death.
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They're at least, you know, in agreement with it. And we've had this kind of thing
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introduced to us in the last three years with people who wouldn't take the vaccine. We're threatened
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with the refusal at a hospital if they were sick and things of that nature. So the mentality is
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already happening that is necessary for the tribulation to be fulfilled.
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Excellent point on, do you say Revelation 1-1, the word shortly? Is that how you explain that?
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In quick succession. Quick succession, I like that. I like that a lot because obviously my goodness,
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it's happening so fast, it's hard to keep up with. Which leads me to my next question,
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how do you approach the challenge of making complex biblical prophecies accessible
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to the average Christian or the general reader?
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Well, I think, you know, I heard years ago, I think every pastor has things that stick with them,
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you know, when they're first starting out. And I heard two things. One,
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J. Vernon McGee, Dr. Jay that we all love so much. He said, put the cookies on the bottom
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shelf where the kids can reach them. And then I heard another pastor put it a different way,
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which I thought was just wonderfully profound. He said, you're feeding the sheep, not the giraffes.
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So we need to just speak plainly and not try and, you know, overcomplicate things
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that the Bible interprets itself, just speak in everyday language that everybody can understand.
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And I have to say that's one of the treasured comments I've seen about the book,
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is its readability. You know, it's not, you know, just for the theological egg heads out there,
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the guy with the purple PhD, it's just for the man on the street to hopefully understand
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what's happening and what's coming.
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Yeah, friends, we're talking about the book, The Sign of the Times, just came up.
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Earlier this year, you said something very interesting and that is kind of, you're not,
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what should I say, you're reaching people at their level of understanding, but they're not,
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you're not dumbing down the message or the content. You're just being very straightforward.
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I think we complicate and we can confuse the Bible and we can make it to something it's not,
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which I think biblical illiteracy of today's church plays into that. What are your thoughts, Barry?
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Well, one of the things that I mentioned in the introduction to the book is my hope was not to
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present every angle. It was just to take one approach. Here's how I see it. People are going to
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disagree with it, but I think we're often shooting ourselves in the foot by, you know, just trying to,
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well, that's wrong and this wrong and then, wait a minute, which one did he say is wrong? Which is,
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and all that. So just lay it out and proverbial at the Chifts Fall when they may, as far as
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receptivity to that particular interpretation, but I think the editor of the book that works for
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Arvest House gave me just a wonderful encouragement where he said this book kind of takes a different
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approach than many others in that the scripture comes first and the interpretation comes second.
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It's not proof texting where you're making a point and then trying to prove it through scripture.
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You let the scripture speak and then basically, you know, interpret what was said. So, and to me,
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that's pretty encouraging. Yeah, it takes us to get in the way sometimes, you know, or to mess up
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the message, right? I know some things need to be elaborated on and explained and yeah,
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we don't want to muddy it because just, I mean, the gospel is the power of God to salvation and these
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are other issues that shouldn't divide. Maybe that's one thing I wanted to ask you. You see all
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these divisions over little, I mean, certain things you need to divide on if it's false teachings
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or doctrinal issues in apostasy, things like that. But I mean, the timing of the raptures is
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of obvious one right there. What are your thoughts on that, Barry? I mean, that we shouldn't
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say you separate from brothers because of these things. In some cases. Oh, absolutely. And, you
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know, I was on the radio with a guy who's actually an attorney that started a program basically,
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you know, a polygenic type program. And I had said to him, I have been condemned to hell more times
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by mid-tribbers than any non-believer or any other sect of Christianity. And he said, well,
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I have been condemned to hell by more pre-tribbers than anybody else. And, you know, that's the
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type of thing we have to stay away from. You know, we don't know the day or the hour. I think,
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you know, the information that the Bible does present to us personally, I think it's a biblical
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necessity that we be gone before the tribulation begins. And one of the main arguments, again,
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is just one of the simplest. And that is the church wasn't here for the first 69 weeks.
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So why would we be here for the 70th? And just doesn't make sense as well as we don't have an
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appointment with wrath, a whole tribulation as God's wrath. But again, these things, you know, if you
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believe that Christ died for your sins and the confession is made that he is the Lord and the
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only Savior and that God raised it from the dead in your brother, sister. Amen. He is the way
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the truth and the life no one comes to to the Father except through Jesus, the name of
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every name. He is the one who died. It gave his life as a ransom whosoever believes, right?
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Didn't I read that somewhere? I like that word whosoever. I'm one year one. Yeah, you know,
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I like that. I just want to savor this moment, Barry, because I mean, not that it's so profound that
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a lot of other people are not talking about it. But sometimes we get off into the weeds and there's
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so much happening globally and in America with the church and with other things that we kind of
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forget the power and the simplicity of the gospel and that we need to kind of take a step back
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and the broad world view, the big picture and say, are we preaching the clear gospel message and
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the truth to get people saved? And are they hearing the simplicity of the gospel? I think that's
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so important. So I just want to share that and I'm just obviously thinking one of the most
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well-known verses, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever whosoever
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believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. And yeah, just something to just dwell
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on for a moment. We are saved by grace through faith. And just your thoughts on just this moment
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that we're talking about, because I didn't plan on this coming up. But I think when you're talking
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about explaining things just clearly and simply not getting in the way and messing it up, I think
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that's so important because I think sometimes we work too hard and then it doesn't get the results
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we would really like. Well, yeah, there's too many other names added to the name of Jesus and
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you're following this guy, you're following that guy. And it's Jesus, period. And we're saved by His
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blood shed for the sins of the whole world. And you know, I think what the church needs to get back
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on stream with is what Paul said in 2 Timothy 4. You know, he said, and it's kind of interesting
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that there are two different words he said in in season and out of season. And in the Greek,
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those words translated as season are actually two different words. And one means, you know,
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with an abundance of opportunity. And the other means with no opportunity or at in opportune moments,
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his solution to both seasons is to preach the word. And then we just need to get back to the book
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and just rightly divided here, little there, little line upon line, precept upon precept,
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and as Spurgeon said, we don't need to defend the Bible. It's like a lion just let it out of the
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cage. Amen. It will. It's job. It never returns, boy. Unleash the word of God. Let it loose. Let it fly.
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Oh my goodness. I mean, yeah. Your previous book, Barry, before I let you go, we've got
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three and a half minutes left. Bible prophecy. The essentials answers to your most common questions.
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Phenomenally well. It did very, very well. It came out in just a year ago. What do you hope
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that people will get out of your new book? Time of the signs. Did I get that right? Yes.
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The time of the signs. So used to saying it the other way. That's why I love the title.
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Well, yeah. That's part of the book, so to speak. Exactly. You know, I think the point,
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you know, in answering just the basic questions, kind of like the essentials, you know,
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the essentials was basically accumulated from a bunch of Q and A's that Amir and I did during
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COVID, where there was not a lot of opportunity to travel and things of that nature. So we just
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started doing online Q and A and we compiled basically the 70 most commonly asked questions from
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from 30 saw 30 somewhat different Q and A's that we did. And this book goes a little bit deeper into
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some of the biggies. You know, when is the Ezekiel war? When does it start? Will the church be gone? Could
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we see the beginning of the Ezekiel war and other questions about, you know, the placement of
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the rapture? What exactly I know a lot of people say apostasia about the apple stasia, the
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defection from truth. What does that involve? Is that going to happen during the church age or will
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it ultimately be fulfilled during the tribulation? And, you know, so just kind of taking some of the
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hard stuff and just making it understandable in a sense to where the Bible just speaking for itself.
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Yes. Amen, brother. Another great book from Barry, you guys, um, check it out and we're not
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out just doing this program to sell books, but these are good books. A lot of great information.
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And I've heard Barry from around the, by the way, Barry, you can find him at berrystagnar.com. He's
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the pastor, senior pastor of Calvary Central, OC, Calvary Central, OC and Costa Mesa, California.
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But we want to get these books out there. Barry, why? One of the biggest reasons is I hear from
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people all the time from different parts of the country. They are not being equipped. What is
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the pastor's job to equip the saints? Yes, teach the word of God, but talk about these other
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issues too and, you know, equip the saints and, um, man, the whole council of God, just your final
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thoughts. We just got a minute left. You know, that's the most common statement that a mirror and I
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hear and it doesn't matter what country we're in around the world. Two things. One, I can't find a
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Bible teaching church and two, nobody's teaching Bible prophecy and yet Bible prophecy is the
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thing that makes the Bible distinct from just being a historical, poetic book or history book
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and, you know, recording the history of the nation of Israel and how things began. It's the
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very breadth of the Bible and I think if we shy away from it, we're kind of making the Bible
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on the same platform as other books. So 27% of this book is prophetic in nature and that's some
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8200 verses. So why would you skip all of that because it's intimidating or for whatever reason?
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Yeah. And it's interesting how many other world religions or cults or ideologies out there
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have successful prophecies that have been fulfilled, right? Hundreds, right? I don't think there's one
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that I can think of. Anyway, Pastor Barry, thank you so much for your time. And again, guys,
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the time of the signs you can look up Barry on YouTube, the truth about God and check out his YouTube
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channel as well. We appreciate you, sir. Thanks for being a watchman. We'll talk to you hopefully
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in the near future. Hope so. Thanks, David. All right, guys. Thanks again for sharing the podcast and
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supporting. God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.