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Episode 9. Our Place in the Universe & John Wick vs. John McClane (Holiday Episode) · High n' Dry Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Can't wait to watch the wait.
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SPEAKER_00: Do we do a test or anything yet?
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SPEAKER_00: Nope.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We're just oh shit.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: The test.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, make sure it works.
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SPEAKER_02: Test.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're good.
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SPEAKER_02: That sounds great.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Sound good?
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
0:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh hello out there.
0:30
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to High and Dry.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Ryan Barron North, and with me as always, resident cannabis enthusiast and former Uber driver, James Crosslin.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: Hey, how's it going?
0:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm doing good.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: I did work as an Uber driver for a brief scent.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: And you know, honestly, in Vegas, it was pretty good money.
0:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh it was right before the pandemic hit.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, this gig economy sure does suck.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: I've had to had to work a lot of crazy jobs to make it by.
1:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, it makes it so you can never really find a sense of I'm okay right now.
1:07
SPEAKER_02: You know, every everything's fine.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: You know, anyone who who falls within your solar system of life, you now have to be concerned about all the time.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: It's exhausting.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like I feel like a lot of people in our generation can kind of like relate to having to do crazy jobs, uh all kinds of jobs.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: No, I uh I I've been working as long as I've been living.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: Um farm hand um quasi-fraudulent construction company, door-to-door salesman.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: You did some painting.
1:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:46
SPEAKER_02: Did a little bit of painting.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: You did some cleaning.
1:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then uh, craziest of all, joined the military.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: Did that eventually.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we've had to we've had to go through a bunch of crazy jobs.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: But enough about me.
1:58
SPEAKER_02: Enough about my balls.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about how I enjoy.
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SPEAKER_02: So thank you for joining us, everyone out there, while we continue to scream into the void, shatter the grand illusion, talk about a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter and one thing that does.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, for those of you who are new listeners, this is how this works.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna talk about a conundrum, some crazy thinking in the beginning.
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SPEAKER_02: After that, we're gonna move into our verses match.
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SPEAKER_02: This this week, we're transitioning into the holiday season, and we're gonna have John McClain going up against John Wick.
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SPEAKER_02: Woo woo! Battle of the Johns.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're excited to see how that turns out.
2:35
SPEAKER_02: But the thing that sets high and dry apart is the copious amounts of drinking and shot taking and hits and everything of that nature.
2:44
SPEAKER_02: We're not sober for any of it.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so before we get into our conundrum this week, we have three shots and three hits to take.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: James, what are you smoking?
2:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, today I'm smoking a very classic strain for those of you out there who who like cannabis.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna be smoking sour diesel.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: Sour Diesel, classic, gets you a really nice head high.
3:05
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna see how it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: And uh myself, I'll be working on the rest of my gray goose vodka.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: So excited to feel the burn.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: Woo-hoo! All right, so uh let's get this first one going.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: James, what's it to?
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SPEAKER_00: I would say this first one is to all action movie heroes out there.
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Finally, we've got two action, action, real action people against each other.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: Wonderful pop on that bottle.
3:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a good one.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh so here it is to the action heroes.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was a tough shot.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: Why do I do this to myself?
3:41
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: This is gonna catch up with you someday.
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SPEAKER_00: One day.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: That was a pretty good one.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
3:55
SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty good one.
3:57
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna see how it affects me today because I had to I had to smoke just a little bit of tobacco first because I came in here hungry.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: See now that'll kill you.
4:06
SPEAKER_00: That that will kill you.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, that's the first smoke of tobacco I've had in in like 10 years.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I uh never had I mean you you did every once in a while when I guess I had been drinking.
4:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when you're drinking.
4:20
SPEAKER_00: When someone offers you something, someone is like, would you like some of the cigarette?
4:23
SPEAKER_00: You go, yeah.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: Um I have I have no I have no idea or sense of self or anything right now.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure, whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, the second shot.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I was just looking, this will come, this will be the last episode of Hide and Dry before um uh Christmas and all that kicks off.
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SPEAKER_02: So uh happy holidays, everyone.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: Happy holidays.
4:41
SPEAKER_02: Cheers, here's round two.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm taking long rips to keep up with you.
4:52
SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: No, and I mentioned on the last episode that uh I'm reaching that level of shot ability where I don't even have to physically make any indication that I had just taken the shot.
5:08
SPEAKER_02: Good, good.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: Healthy.
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SPEAKER_02: Very healthy, very healthy.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll join the ranks of toughened Netflix heroes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do it.
5:17
SPEAKER_00: Because they all drink.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: John McClain drinks like that.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: We don't see him drinking that, dude.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: No, we do, yeah.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: He's he loves alcohol.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's an it's a good assumption.
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SPEAKER_02: He's part of the NYPD.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, his wife is across the country under another name.
5:34
SPEAKER_02: It's a good assumption, though.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: You're basically John McClain right now.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just John McClain.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: That's perfect.
5:39
SPEAKER_02: That's what I've been working for.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: My uh the childhood version of me would be thrilled.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: The adult version of me is like, nah, man.
5:46
SPEAKER_00: Wow, I can drink like John McClain.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: You don't want that.
5:51
SPEAKER_00: His life's been really easy and happy, right?
5:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's been great the whole time.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: Here's to uh Great Life, uh round three.
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SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
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SPEAKER_00: He is the protagonist of his story, though.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what we all want when we're kids.
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SPEAKER_02: That's all we want.
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SPEAKER_02: We mentioned that a couple times on the previous episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Is we just we want to be the main character.
6:13
SPEAKER_02: And in uh Western culture, main character isn't who you want to be.
6:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're not great, we're not great about idolizing.
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SPEAKER_02: Idolizing our terrible at it.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: And we've uh we've taken character development to mean the overcoming of just everything.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Crazy dramatic struggles.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: You smoke, you drink, you'll take whatever anyone gives you.
6:38
SPEAKER_02: You've just washed into town, and there's a murder that needs to be solved.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: And you need the murder to solve it.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: America's like, yep.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: This is exactly what I want.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
6:49
SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm already a little fucked.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
6:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, so well, hey, this is gonna be a good episode.
6:58
SPEAKER_02: Let's get it on.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: So, you ready to jump into our philosophical discussion?
7:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what do we got for today?
7:04
SPEAKER_02: All right, so today, um, this one I enjoy because I'm I'm a fan of cosmic horror.
7:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, would it be more frightening to discover that humans are the most advanced species in the universe or that we are far from being the most advanced species in the universe?
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SPEAKER_02: Initial thoughts.
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SPEAKER_02: Initial thoughts.
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SPEAKER_00: My initial thought is that uh my very initial thought is that we already treat humanity like it's the most powerful or the mo you know, the smartest life form in the universe.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'd say that there's a default answer like ingrained.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my first thought.
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SPEAKER_02: So that it would be more terrifying to realize that we aren't.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think in this question, um, because there's a counterpoint presented immediately, we kind of have to think of we're we're forced to think of it in those terms.
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SPEAKER_00: When I normally go about my life, I don't really think about daily in life or like higher forms of being.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: Or I guess for religious people, it's probably pretty different.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That they would um, you know, they believe there's a higher form of life out there already controlling things.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, so I've uh I've I've just recently I was having conversations on this sort of thing with someone who and I think they kind of follow the mold that a majority of people are starting to fall into.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: That while they do hold on to the idea of there being some sort of being and they're, you know, kind of giving they they want a magic to the universe, they want a structure to the universe, and they they hold on to that and they call it God.
8:45
SPEAKER_02: In Western area, they call it you know Jesus and all that kind of stuff.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: But they don't actually read the Bible, they don't go to church on Sundays, and they don't subscribe to it in such a restricted way.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so when I was talking to this person about it, we had a discussion on evolution and just uh space in general, black holes and things like that.
9:04
SPEAKER_02: It did not it did not cause any sort of dissonance when they dealt with their own personal views.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: It's just this is new information and it's being added into you know it's so great that the last generation got super lazy about religion in in my opinion.
9:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not that they didn't believe in it, it's that they just got really lazy about raising their gay their kids.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, religiously, yeah.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: Like there there is a subset of our population that is like, no, the only thing I'm gonna teach my kids is religion.
9:36
SPEAKER_00: But then like the majority of religious people have kind of like just been like gotten totally distracted by the things everyone gets distracted by, and they haven't it ha they haven't been focused enough to like really ingrain these religious opinions into their children, you know.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, and I was just reading an article this morning about uh President-elect Biden, um, how he'll be the first um president in decades who publicly and openly goes to church every Sunday, and what it's kind of become with uh the Obama administration with with the current one.
10:09
SPEAKER_02: It's just yeah, I'm Christian.
10:11
SPEAKER_02: Moving on.
10:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: And so it's so that's kind of that well, that'll be interesting to see.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: There's never been a non-Christian president.
10:19
SPEAKER_02: It's like you're just Well, no, no, uh JFK was Protestant.
10:23
SPEAKER_00: That's Christian.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: There's never been a non-Christian, but in the 60s that was a big deal.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: It was just another type of Christian that everyone's flipping out about.
10:33
SPEAKER_00: So there's never been a non-Christian president.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, it wasn't that he was no, no, they're they're all used to Christian Christian.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: He was Catholic, yeah.
10:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was Catholic, and they were afraid that he was going to be loyal to the Pope instead of the United States.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: Which has been something that's been used against like, especially Irish Catholics and Italians for like for centuries.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think at the well, at the heart of that is if we discovered there was another being, an ancient alien race out there, or we discovered that we're the most intelligent or least intelligent, bringing it back around.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: Which one's more which one's more frightening?
11:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know, I honestly so so I guess it's my worldview that humans are already the most that's how I live my life, is that humans are the most intelligent life forms.
11:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, have you ever seen a COVID or like a raven?
11:22
SPEAKER_02: A Corvid.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: A Corvid, I mean, yeah.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: Not the virus.
11:25
SPEAKER_02: You can tell what we've been talking about a lot.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah, so Corvids are pretty smart, but you know, it's they're not keeping us in cages.
11:33
SPEAKER_02: We're keeping because they're evolved beyond that.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're evolved beyond that.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: If you went back, you know, six uh 40,000 years, the covorvids actually ruled the earth.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it was us, it was us in the cages.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: They're the ones who taught us to build the pyramids.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: The pyramids, yeah.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: They're the ones who wrote our flood myths that we've that were spread all across.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: The only way, yeah.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: They just flew across the ocean.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: You couldn't get it another way.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're like, all right, it's time to wipe some of these guys out.
12:01
SPEAKER_02: We can fly.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: And they activated the machine that caused the great flood to try to wipe us out.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh damn, these humans are getting a little too smart.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: But they evolved.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: They evolved.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's wrong of us to do that.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: We just gotta take a we gotta take a step back, not let them know how intelligent we are, be silent watchers.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: We'll eat garbage.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: We'll eat all the we'll eat all the garbage.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
12:27
SPEAKER_02: All right, all right.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: We keep we keep drift up drifting off here.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so I'd say um it would be more terrifying to find out that there is a more intelligent life form out there, in my opinion.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Just because it would disrupt my my my worldview.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's a popular piece of flash fiction, which I don't think it has any one um attributed author, but I I can tell you the whole story in just one go.
12:51
SPEAKER_02: It's like a one-sentence horror story.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, for years and years we've been trying to send our technology out into space through satellites and radio signals and everything like that, and we've been trying and trying and trying and nothing.
13:02
SPEAKER_02: Then one day we get a message back that just says in every language on earth, quiet, they're listening.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: That'd be yeah, that'd be pretty crazy.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: That would be crazy.
13:18
SPEAKER_02: Wait a minute.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: Who's listening?
13:21
SPEAKER_00: But we were the ones who weren't invited to the party, I think.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: Is that that that's happened in several like space space fictions where we were the ones who just weren't invited because we were a pretty low, a pretty lowly evolved species.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that particular horror story also starts making this sort of horrifying assumption that there's some sort of reaver-esque thing or civilization out there just roaming the endless cosmos and listening for anything.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: Just listening.
13:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think uh it was Stephen Hawking who was saying that, hey, we need to chill the fuck out because historically, when a more advanced race encounters a less advanced race, yeah, the less advanced race doesn't really do well.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: Um and that's just historically on our own planet.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: And so it w it was Hawking um that was started saying, hey, maybe we should quiet down.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: So I think a more advanced species, I don't think it would matter if we'd be quiet or not, because I think a more advanced species um would be able to pinpoint life in the universe without us making any noise because of the habitable zone.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we're already able to pick out planets um in in our galaxy for like the potential to sustain life.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: We're already able to do that.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Um we use advanced telescopes if we use we use these telescopes that can look across our entire galaxy and measure the content of a planet and its atmosphere through radio waves because we know how elements react with radio waves, and we can kind of see a spectrum of what this planet is capable of, and we can see its distance from its star.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: If if advanced species were able were capable of space travel and stuff, you'd think that they'd be able to be able to look for us without us making ourselves clearly visible, you know, where there's nothing we could do if we don't if we can't anticipate it.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: So that doesn't really scare me that much.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: You know what I think that would be?
15:30
SPEAKER_00: I think that would be a joke.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: If someone sent back shh, they're listening.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: I bet that'd be some super advanced species like, watch this shit.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: Watch I'm gonna totally fuck with this dumb planet.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, well, I mean you have the creepy zoo theory, um, and that's a the it's put forward that aliens are omnipresently observing us like animals.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: There there was a movie with uh oh shit, what was it called?
15:55
SPEAKER_00: All I remember is I had super nightmares about the the people were when they upset what the aliens were doing, they would be like plucked out of the world.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: And I remember this image.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: Ah, what was that movie?
16:08
SPEAKER_00: Um This was Julianne Moore, I think.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Was it?
16:11
SPEAKER_02: Well, because you also had uh Milajovovic did one.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: We learned that we're all living in her simulation.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: There's a couple.
16:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, so if I remember right though, that's that's something that kind of messes with you, isn't it?
16:26
SPEAKER_02: The alien life and abduction and things like that.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I was like I was deeply afraid of aliens for like uh over a decade.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: And I I actually I learned later that I had sleep paralysis, and so I would like I had that thing where you um where you can't move and you start having like crazy hallucinations.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I had crazy hallucinations about aliens, and that like really fueled my fear and uh until I learned about sleep paralysis.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that's oh, that's interesting.
16:57
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: I did because the last time we talked about it, there was that fear of there being something more intelligent and just turning you into you know Corvette.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: I I think that oh, you think oh, so like just a separate fear of like being I I I don't have that fear so much anymore.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: Because I've learned that if if someone who's more powerful than me wants to do something to me, you know, no planning I I have is gonna change anything.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: I I'm kind I was I've kind of been buffeted by the winds of other people's desires and whims.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: And I kind of learned that you know I can roll with it.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: And if I you know, if like if some hyper-advanced species comes, you know, I there's how would I have anticipated what how could I have lived my life differently to prepare for this in any way, anyway?
17:53
SPEAKER_00: So that's a good point.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: You just gotta buckle up and be flexible, just be flexible and prepare for the probing.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, be flexible.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: Just be like, oh well, this is not the way I assumed my life would turn out, but we're gonna figure it out now.
18:06
SPEAKER_02: Well, so I've also looked into interesting.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: You know, you have the Fermi paradox, the Drake equation, um, and then there's just kind of interesting ideas on it about um every species has to kind of deal with that leap to the next level.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: And there's a chance that we we are the ones who are on the cusp of it right now.
18:25
SPEAKER_02: We might be the first ones to be trying to make that jump.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: And you know, climate change looking what it is, we probably won't.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Um and so we'll just be another one that missed.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: Or I honestly think if we elevated people who were less concerned about um about breeding, like like I don't like to say breeding, about like having children propagating.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of our a lot of our um politics is driven by like this idea of expansion and propagation and like a continuing line and things.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: Um I feel like if people were if we elevated people who thought about that in a less centralized way, like a more decentralized way, who possibly were less concerned about children and less concerned about um about like legacy.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Um that's why I say breed is like because when when someone breeds, they're like continuing a legacy.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: You're like, you will carry my name, and there is a legacy here.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: I think elevating people who are less concerned with that would lead to would lead to a better advancement of our species.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's no way we can progress past where we are in humanity without that.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: Thinking about it more decentralized.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Um I mean, honestly, I I think everything comes back to what we've been talking about on this show for a while is self-help.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Go see a therapist, find meaning within yourself.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look inside for happiness.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: You need to elevate people who look inside for happiness.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: That's um but are also respectful of others because they recognize that others are looking should be looking inside for happiness as well.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and I think uh go see a therapist.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: Everyone, I mean, I know where we are, you you can't because your mind and teeth are considered luxury items.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: Jesus.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: Those are luxury bones and brain mass.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And and and mouth rocks.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: If you can't keep your own mouth rocks in order, that's your fault.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: You don't get to keep them.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: Same goes with your brain.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Man, it's always getting so sad.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: It's well, it's the world we're living in.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so what are your thoughts on it?
20:37
SPEAKER_00: Let's get these thoughts out and let's move on to the fun part.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: Let's move on to the fun part.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: Um well, so if there's nothing else, um that's scary because that means that right now we're on the cusp of not making it because everyone else before us has fallen.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Um if there is something smarter than us out there, unless they have elevated them to themselves to a point where they've followed a sort of sociological anthropological anthropological phases where uh people theorize that every civilization is gonna follow these basic tracks, and they've just they've finally made it to the part where they're not about to enslave or destroy anything.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: I hope we get to meet them.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, but then like that dark forest thought where we, as this future space-faring civilization, are standing on the edge of a huge, vast dark forest.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and instead of screaming as loud as we can, hey, I'm here to explore, we should probably start looking for jaguars.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh those are the two sides of it.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I you know, I definitely don't want to be colonized by some Klingon-esque um, you know, Reaver style civilization.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: We wouldn't be the protagonists if that were the case.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: I I don't want to do the colonizing of some.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Not as advanced technologically, you know, group out there.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: But we'd get to be the protagonists.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: I I also don't want to find out that, hey, this is as far as we get, because your greed and your stupidity is going to allow you is going to allow the leaders you elected or have not removed to boil you alive in the changing climate.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the universe.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: Happens to everyone.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: That's what you get for chasing being a protagonist.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: That's the result of chasing being a protagonist is to have it fall all around you because uh that's what happens to protagonists.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:56
unknown: Yeah.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: No, um there's a lot to think about right there.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: Just as far as that protagonist discussion, and I feel like high and dry is going to be tackling the protagonist argument a lot.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it's gonna be most of what we talk about, guys.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: Which is interesting.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, how did that happen?
23:14
SPEAKER_02: That was not so when when James and I were sitting down with uh Netflix and Warner Brothers and all that in those boardroom meetings there and they greenlit us, um not at one not at once did we bring up the pirates protagonist discussion.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: No, no, they they told us that they just wanted blood and gore and sex.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh we've given them none of that.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's too bad.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe Barstool Sports, wink wink.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: Pick us up.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: All right.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, so James, final thoughts.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: I'd say uh just what's what's what's the scary to you personally, to you, James, what's the scariest, scarier idea?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh the scarier idea is that there's something more advanced out there.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: In in this case, I guess not being a protagonist would be worse for me.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: I I kind of hope that there's something I can do.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: I want to focus on things I can change.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: I want to focus on things that I can have an effect on.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: I can't have an effect on something, on some alien race out there roaming around.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: There's literally nothing I can do.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: There's there's at this point in my life, there's fucking nothing I could do.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: You can't even deal with the one we have here.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: Even if I devoted my entire the entire rest of my life to it, I don't think I'd have any effects.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to focus on what I can, which is right here.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: No, it'd be like the War of the Worlds thing, where this advanced, this civilization that's advanced enough to cross the stars, turn us all into fertilizer, didn't have the foresight to check the atmosphere of the planet.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they didn't know about bacteria.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, right.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: They'd never heard of bacteria.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, like fucking fucking signs, emnight shameland signs, where this species is advanced enough to cross the cosmos to find worlds they would like for themselves.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: But they'd never heard of water.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, hey, that thing, guys, that thing that kills us.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: This planet's like 80% that.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: We we can check to see if a if a planet across a solar system has fucking water.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: But but the but the aliens that could actually travel there were like, we don't need to look first.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why would I look for that?
25:22
SPEAKER_00: Why would we look first?
25:24
SPEAKER_02: Land the ship.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: The the the alt the at that point, the alt-right alien government took them over and they're just like, land it, land it.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: We're trying to increase the Dow by three percent, land it.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: They're just workers, yeah.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: Just throw, just throw them at the planet.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: That guy looking at Joaquin Phoenix is like, look, man, I just work here, but it came out so it freaked him out, and he got beaten to death with a baseball bet.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: That's why he was able to be beaten to death with the baseball bet.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: He's just trying to explain.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: Look, man, I work here.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: We're mental health workers.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: This little thing that I just put him to sleep, and then we take them, and we're here to try to save you guys.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: The boy who has a breathing problem, we're trying to help him.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: There's a far-right revolution on your planet about to happen.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: We're just trying to save you all.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: Come on now.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: We're willing to brave a planet that is 75% the thing that kills us in order to save all of you.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: And you're trying to kill us.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Well, there were in the movie.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: At one point, the alien passes by a birthday party.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: That's all we ever saw them do.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, and they well so later in the movie, they like come into the house and they try to grab them.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Like that movie fucked me up too.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: That was one of the ones that traumatized me.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: But until that point, they had I mean, maybe in their culture saying hello, like instead of leaving like a gift basket, you jump on their roof.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: And then when you first meet them, you have to massage them, and then they kind of get some and then put your fingers under the door and click and then you make them fall asleep with your poison wrist spike.
27:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I don't really or who knows what that was.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, for me though, um, I would have to say, with just waking up every day and reading the news, um, I would have to say the bigger fear for me is that we are now at our jumping point where every other species before us has failed.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: In the history, if if anything has ever risen anywhere in the universe, if they're not here yet, then they failed.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, and now we're just trying to do a podcast and live a little before we fail.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is pretty scary.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Try not to think about it.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just try not to think about it.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: So here's our fourth shot to try and not to think about it.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: Let me pour that one up.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: That was a big one.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Now let's talk, let's talk about the fun stuff.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: I want to know who wins in our big fight today.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: John McClane or John Wick.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: That's uh that's this is gonna be a tough one.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: This is not gonna be easy, but it's Christmas.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: And John McClain.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: So I mean, that should have been our that should have been our philosophy portion.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: Is die hard a Christmas movie?
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, damn it.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: No.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously it is.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Don't argue with it.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh so we're gonna just agree, yeah, it's a Christmas movie.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: He mentions he mentions Christmas a few times.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: That's a Christmas party.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: They they they play a Christmas song.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: What more do you need?
28:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's a Christmas movie.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so um, for our first time listeners, you can go to the uh the wiki, the high and dry wiki that uh George is putting up to figure out how we do this.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: But uh for those of you who aren't gonna jump on the wiki, um, we have a patented method for determining who is the winner.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: It's a three-round situation.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: First round, no shirts, no shoes, no belts, and the two characters just punch it out until one of them takes it home.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Round two.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: We now move out to a city view where these characters receive a manila envelope gently passed to them underneath a door frame.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: They're instructed that in this locale that's similar to both of their worlds, they're gonna have to try and kill each other.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, oh, I already know where this is gonna be.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be in New York.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be in New York, absolutely.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: All right, fixes that.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they both live in the same neighborhood anyway, where all of these grizzled action stars are made.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: Um really dense population resonates with them.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like where else are they gonna be?
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Um in Dead Horse, Alaska.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: You know how we can all relate to that.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then uh finally, round three is the same situation, except both of our combatants get to bring a friend.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: So let's get started.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: So, round one, John McLean and John Wick have just jumped into the ring.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Brad Pitts explained the rules of fight club, and the two of them start punching it out.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: James, who's gonna win?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so tough.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I actually think like this is the toughest round for this fight.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: I thought about it just a little bit, and I think like this is the toughest fucking round.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, they can both take such massive amounts of punishment.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, so we're dealing with I I feel John Wick is the return of the John McClane.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I called him a Jean.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: But it's sort of the return of that, but we've kept on to that uh so like so Die Hard came out in 1980.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Something eighty.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, I know Die Hard 2 is 1990.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: It was an 80s movie for sure.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: It was an 80s movie, and so what's interesting, like when you look at Robocop and you look at those 80s action movies, is that world is falling to dystopia.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: But it's alright.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: John McLean is here.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Modern is world is dystopia.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: I drink now, I'm your hero.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: Watch me murder these people.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, watch me murder everyone.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm the hero.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is a dystopia, and I know you just want to murder everyone, so watch me do it.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Well, because in the 80s, our idea of a dystopia was a multiracial gang with single ears pierced with long cross earrings while completely ignoring the crimes of the corporate.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: You know what's funny is Robocop actually tackled that.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we don't talk, but all we think about everyone forgot.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: All we think about is that dude he shot in the balls.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, um, what was my point?
31:59
SPEAKER_02: Um oh yeah.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: So now in modern days, it is hey, welcome to dystopia.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Multiracial gangs aren't the problem anymore.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: It's the fact that we were only worried about the the shit we were worried about in the 80s wasn't what we should have been worried about.
32:15
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to dystopia.
32:17
SPEAKER_02: I just tried to get my life together.
32:19
SPEAKER_02: I was an assassin or I was this monster, I'm good now, because I own a house and I get my slice of Western Dream.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: And then it's ripped away from me because this is dystopia.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: How dare you take my house and my butt.
32:33
SPEAKER_02: I think what John Wick is is John McClane has been living in that dystopia, got everything back together, he's out of the assassin game, but now he's back with that same John McClain, nothing can beat me attitude.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: And I also think he has more hand-to-hand training than John McClain.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: I think I think that John Wick, I think John McClane is a he's like a he's a he's a puncher.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: And if if we were talking about boxing, John McClain is a puncher, and John Wick is a fighter.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: And I think that I think that John Wick would um I think he would he's too agile.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: He's he's he focuses on holds and stuff.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: We see him hold a lot of people and use and use a lot of like very advanced fighting techniques, and I think John McClane is just a we're gonna slug each other until we die.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna win because I'm the hero.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but he's up against another hero.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes, so that changes a little bit.
33:31
SPEAKER_02: So he's up against another hero.
33:33
SPEAKER_02: And I think uh John Wick, he does all of the uh Spetsnaz things of that nature because in the 90s we said that's enough of the roundhouse kick.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: We were done with people slugging at each other.
33:48
SPEAKER_02: And and and the kicking, the high kicks looked really weird.
33:51
SPEAKER_02: And as we evolved as a society, we realized that it's not really that cool.
33:57
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't look technical, and we like when things get more technical and now we want our heroes to like, all right, so he has the ironclad will of a 90s action hero, but he also needs to have that training.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, he needs to have that dark past because we all have started recognizing that the world has been really dark and we and every part of our past is actually dark, so we can all relate to a dark past because we've been trying to personally grow.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: Thank God.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: That's that's actually that's somewhat of an advancement.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe that might actually be an advancement because so you have John McClane and us now are like, oh, he got divorced, poor fucking guy.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Um so to up it, John Wick, like I'm an ex-Spetts NAS Assassin, I was an orphan.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I I combated my drinking problem and obesity.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: I came back.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: I was ordered by very powerful people to do terrible things, and I did it for survival, and I want to reform.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: And but guess what?
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Now I have to go be I have to go be this person I don't want to be again.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, world.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that that is the good so um the statement of you know, I'm I'm a victim of the powers who need me to do this and that and this and that.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty pretty relatable.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very relatable.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: Very relatable to a lot of people.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, we're getting off topic.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: I think John Wick would I think John Wick would uh he John McClain would go to slug him and John Wick would wrap around his arm like a snake and tear his arm off.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: So both of them have the power of action movie hero, where their iron will is gonna push him through.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: But they're in two different decades of action hero, and and John Wick is just a more sophisticated action hero.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: He's he's a John McClane, but now he's trained.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's sophisticated.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: He's he's not the working man who um uh like John McClane.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: No, so he well, like you were saying, where he the like society forced him to become this assassin.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's that's just a um an analogy for society forcing you to open up an OnlyFans.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Or do any any kind of labor that you don't want to do.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Forced to do it.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: No, I I I have to agree right off the bat, right there.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: John Wick will take round one.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: All right, it's decided.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Boom.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: There it is.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: And uh, so our opinions are one, which means our viewers' opinions have altered as well.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: Round two.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Both characters have now received a manila envelope under the door.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: John Wick's very used to it.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: Yes, John, this is daily for John Wick.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: Another one.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: And John McClain is like, we're gonna do a whole movie about this.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: About this one letter I've received.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: And then John Wick is like, well, this is the first 10 minutes of my movie.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: Um and then he's really surprised that like people didn't uh shoot grenades into his house.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: He was just like, Oh, I thought they were gonna be here already.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: I guess I'll go find the other person.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Um there's no Gamora, there's no no nothing.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Um John McClain's like, oh, there's some devious mastermind out there, and I'm gonna try to I have to track him down before something happens, and he's totally and John Wick's like, oh, I'll go fight the other person because I know what this is about.
37:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll go deal with this.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, which maybe gives the edge to John McClane.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: I was hanging on it.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: I was like, John, which way is he gonna go?
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Um maybe John McClain, because this is different for John McClain.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: So he's looking at it with new eyes.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, while while John Wick, he's starting to fall victim to tedium.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's like, God, this is another one.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: All right.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: And Dolly Parton starts playing nine to five.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: I think um, so let's talk about how John Wick and John McClane approach approach each other.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: So I think John McClane is he spends a lot of time sneaking around, and then he comes in with an explosive entrance.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: He sneaks around for like three quarters of his film, and then he he blows something up or fucking drives the truck through through something.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: He's gotta get that, he's gotta get that late 80s, 90s.
38:41
SPEAKER_02: We have a budget, let's blow something up.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: But it's a really impressive skill.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: And I don't think I think John Wick is used to fighting like masses of people.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Whenever he has to go, whenever he has to encounter one person, he like walks up to them.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: He goes up to them to talk to them first.
38:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: He does do that.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: And what John McClane does is he sneaks around and then he um and then he crashes the plane into you or something.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
39:07
unknown: That's true.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Or a tr whatever it happens to be.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, whatever it is, he explodes it into you.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that is gonna be where John changes things because even like in Die Harder, there's a truck and a jet.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:23
SPEAKER_02: Um crashes a truck into a helicopter and the 90s action hero into the realms of fantasy.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: While John Wick, he skirts the worlds of fantasy, but but modern requirements just kind of keep pulling him back into just that ounce of realism.
39:41
SPEAKER_02: Every time they feel that he's getting a little too fantastic, they darken him a bit.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh I I do have I think we I think in the next round that's gonna come up.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: So I'll wait to talk about that, but I do have some opinions on the fantasy of John Wick and the illusion of reality that he has.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: But I think it'll come up in the next round.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and well, I think that's what we I think that's what we're asking for.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: Like we it's interesting that us as moviegoers have been like, this is this is just too ridiculous.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: I I want my ridiculousness to be served with pain and despair and a side of realism.
40:15
SPEAKER_02: And but I think that, so I'm gonna just start it with the voting.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: I think that's why John's gonna win the second one because he's not bound like that.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm gonna say John McLean wins round two because the hero drive that they both have is gonna keep him alive until finally one of them has to break through the realms of the story, which John Wick does bound by that necessity for dark realism.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
40:49
SPEAKER_02: While John McClane will then find a jet.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he'll he'll he'll explode some shit.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he will he will level a city block to get you, and uh and he does, and I think that's what would happen in this round is uh John Wick barely succeeds at things, but John McClain succeeds in like in in an in a atomic blast, yes, and and so John Wick will get yippie kaye motherfuckers, yeah.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: Just out of nowhere, yeah.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: He won't know what to do with that.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: This whole for like for an hour and a half, um, we've been eating popcorn and drinking coke, and we've been watching these two guys go at it, and then finally John McClain's gonna yippie kaye motherfucker and extend into the bounds of this can't happen anymore.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he can.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he can.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: He lives in a comic book.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Action movies are comic books.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: He lives he lives in a comic book, whereas like uh uh John Wick lives in a graphic novel.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right, so I'm willing to vote on that.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Round two is gonna go to John McLean.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: Um it's weird that we fall, you know, we do fall into this rhythm, but I think I think we pick people who have different strengths, and those strengths just happen to extend to how they deal with people one-on-one, how they deal with people in different environments, and then they how they deal with multiple people.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really I think that we pick people who have diverse skill sets for that reason, who seem to be similar in many ways, but that it just kind of happens that it's a mixed bag, it's one and two, you know.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: Well, once you start picking them apart thematically, and once you even just start looking at generational expectations, those a similar character quickly you know forges his own path.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: So all right, well, moving on, round three.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: We now have we're still in that city mode, except they each get to pick a friend.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: And I I know who you're gonna say.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: I have funny thoughts for both of them.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm gonna say for for John McClane, I think uh Samuel L.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Jackson.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, well, you have Samuel Jackson, you have Alan.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Alan?
43:03
SPEAKER_02: Alan.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: He was diehard one, diehard two, he was the cop who accidentally shot a kid.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: The the dad from uh Family Matters.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: So he's got Alan, he's got his son.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: Does he get to bring Ur?
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Does Alan get to bring Urkel in?
43:17
SPEAKER_02: If so.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: He goes to Urkel.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: He goes to Urkel, yeah.
43:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, but no, we're not entering into the side-by-side scale.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't want to enter into the the well, the watchman-esque.
43:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, because Urkel's character We'll have to do one with Urkel.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a good Urkel versus um another Mad Um uh Dr.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: Manhattan.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: We'll do it eventually.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: It didn't come up much in Family Matters, but Urkel was comparable in power to Dr.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: Manhattan.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: When we when we rewatch some of those, I'm sure it'll come up.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: So so in this one, we got who do you who do you think John McClain is bringing?
43:54
SPEAKER_02: John McClane.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: All right.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: So so his most powerful partner would be Jai Courtney, who played his son.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: Is his son like a mini version of him?
44:03
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: It's just like having So it's like having a second action.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: It's just having another um, it's just having another John McClain, except he's younger now, because we had to pass the ch torch to Jai Courtney.
44:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: Which I do I do like Jai Courtney.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: He's fun.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: You know, in his things.
44:20
SPEAKER_02: He's done a lot of stuff I enjoy.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: I liked him in Suicide Squad.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: I really did.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, I wish Warner Brothers would stop cutting those movies to hell.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, you and the same thing happened when Harrison Ford tried to pass the torch to that little guy.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: Shiloff.
44:37
SPEAKER_02: Shia Buff.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: In Indiana Jones.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, stop trying to pass the torch.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: Stop passing the torch.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: Just create a new IP.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Just call it a day.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, you have Mark Hamill doing it to Ray.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: Which was terrible.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Stop trying to pass the torch.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Stop passing the torch.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Legacy is a new story.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, funny, this relates to our previous conversation.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: Goes right back.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: Legacy is so fucking it's it's cringe worthy for us now.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: The focus on legacy.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: No, especially the people you're selling this crap to now are so over legacy.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: You're dealing with an entire generation who had to deal with the broken shit that their parents were carrying on.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: The chain of legacy that's Yeah, and we are over it.
45:18
SPEAKER_02: It's enough with this legacy.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: And I'm you can join me if you'd like to, James, but I'm gonna take a shot to that.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: That's enough of this legacy.
45:27
SPEAKER_02: If you're gonna if you're gonna force legacy down our throats, make it a legacy worth saving.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: Make that legacy like not fueled by corporatism.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Because we know that's what those Star Wars movies were about, was being fueled by corporatism.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: No, it's especially in yours and my generation.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: When you talk to someone who had a healthy uh parental situation where nothing ever went wrong, who is that?
45:57
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: I've never met that person.
45:59
SPEAKER_02: Like, what who the fuck are you?
46:01
SPEAKER_02: What what clone vet did you step out of?
46:03
SPEAKER_02: So it's just something we can't relate to anymore.
46:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:06
SPEAKER_02: So stop trying to sell us on it.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: We like I enjoy Indiana Jones, and I can enjoy those without you continuing it.
46:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I guess I'll step off the heel soapbox.
46:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, who do you think John Wick's gonna well we haven't even decided?
46:23
SPEAKER_02: Who is John McClain gonna bring to the table?
46:25
SPEAKER_02: I think Alan would be funniest.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: I think it would be funniest.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: But also Alan so John McCl.
46:30
SPEAKER_00: Alan he does an important he plays an important role.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: He plays the role to keep him, to keep John McClain centered and focused, which which, as we saw in the Achilles episode, made all the difference.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: The Achilles vs.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Witcher episode.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: Odysseus is the person who gave Achilles focus and and made sure he went where he needed to go.
46:52
SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, so do you think and we might need to start tracking this?
46:57
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that a character's sidekick should go to their so Jai Courtney's character in A Good Day to Die Hard, he has going for him that he's John McClane's son, and while simultaneously being John McLean's most powerful ally, whilst Alan he offers that true sidekick role that made the first movie so prolific?
47:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:26
SPEAKER_02: While actually while holding that title for two movies, he's been a sidekick for most time out of any of those characters at all.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: Who do you think that should go to?
47:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I feel we've reached a point where it's between Alan and Jay Courtney.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I don't know.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh that's a tough one.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: Does John McClain benefit most from another John McClane?
47:45
SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe we should ask ourselves who John Wick would bring, and then we can create something comparable.
47:52
SPEAKER_00: John Wick would bring his dog.
47:54
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: Because in the whole second movie, um, he kept the dog away.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: We didn't see the dog at all.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: We did see the dog at the second movie, not the third, right?
48:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, he he wants to keep the dog safe.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: And so we've we've seen a whole movie where he gives the dog to wasn't that John Liguzamo?
48:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, but that dog, he like trained that dog to fuck people up.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: No, he did.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, that was more Halle Berry's character.
48:18
SPEAKER_02: She trained all those dogs.
48:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: But John left him with the hotel receptionist.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
48:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: So John's got the hotel receptionist.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have he does not have the hotel owner that that went bad in the last spoilers.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: Um but we get him at his best, right?
48:38
SPEAKER_02: I would say Well, is that what we want to do?
48:40
SPEAKER_02: Do we want to give him to him?
48:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I think John McClane's truest ally, staunchest ally, is either his car or John Liguzamo.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: And John Liguizamo is actually a clown demon.
48:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, we can't do that.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: Urkel versus the clown demon coming soon.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Um so so I think here's what I think would happen.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: I my matchup in my head is that John Wick brings the hotel owner.
49:13
SPEAKER_00: And the hotel owner listen, we get him at their best.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: We get him at their best.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: And at John Wick's best part of his story, he has the hotel owner's full backing, he has all the coins necessary, and he he he's able to tell these assassins to go after John McClane.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think at John McClain's best, he's got Allen, and he's going he um he can have the NYPD help him.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: And so it's the NYPD versus these fucking assassins.
49:44
SPEAKER_02: Well then that's the route we're going, then I would defer and say that John McClane is going to bring bring Jai Courtney.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get the military in it.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: So you have you have Jai Courtney, so you have two John McClain's uh old McLean, who's still capable of everything of a 30-year-old, uh-huh, and Jai Courtney, who's John McClain, but he went the military route instead of the police route.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: And it devolves into two action heroes against two modern heroes, well, one modern hero and his wizened Odin-esque counterpart and a group of underground assassins, which I would say for John Wick, that's where fantasy really eked its way into the and that's the illusion of reality that we get.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: Because we've wrapped it in kind of commerce, and how commerce for so many of us is so distant and unrelatable, we're able to fantasize like these high-level commerce things in a way that seems realistic to us.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: Because commerce is every part of our lives.
50:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and honestly, if because I mean you have you have the Epstein shit, yeah.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: You have all this everything that like it is very possible that there are hidden, you know, i in our minds, it's not that it's not that crazy to believe that um that there's this hidden commerce that deals in deaths of people like us without us ever knowing.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, you the the world informed us that there is this underground world of sex slavery being perpetrated by you know Western society's upper class, and not only did I not bat an eyelash, I'm like, yeah, no, that makes total sense.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nothing has fucking happened.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nothing has changed.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: And so so I think in this instance, I think that that actually works for John Wick.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is because uh having that fleet of assassins.
51:41
SPEAKER_02: If you if you finally came out and told me that that happened, if I was reading that in the post or whatever this morning, I'd be like, oh yeah, no, that tracks.
51:49
SPEAKER_02: That tracks.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: Here's here's here's what I think would happen.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't think the assassins, there's no there's no elite group of assassins that can kill John McClain or his kid.
51:59
SPEAKER_00: That's not they're not gonna kill John McClane or his kid.
52:02
SPEAKER_00: No.
52:02
SPEAKER_00: What's gonna happen is they're going to spend their entire movie fighting one of those groups of assassins that like took someone hostage to lure him into a trap and stuff.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna spend they're gonna waste the plane crash on those guys, and then John Wick is gonna kill him.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, but from a distance.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, no, no.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: So that's where, oh, okay, no.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: So I think what this is gonna be is this gonna be so the whole movie is no in that thing that you just described, John Wick and the uh the other assassin became a bad guy.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, John Wick refuses to be a refuses to be a bad guy.
52:40
SPEAKER_02: So he wouldn't have the hotel owner because the hotel owner would do those sorts of things with like they're sending the assassins after him and after him and after him, and if the two of them team up, John Wick and him become the bad guy.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that's right.
52:53
SPEAKER_02: John McClain can't lose to a bad guy.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, John McClain can't use can't lose to a bad guy, but also John Wick refuses to become a bad guy.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: He he the only time he deals with the hotel owner is on moral terms.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: When when the hotel owner has glimpses of morality, that's when he deals with John Wick.
53:11
SPEAKER_02: And eventually that turns into his flat-out betrayal, which we're waiting on the new film for.
53:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: So I guess um, I don't know.
53:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, John Wick doesn't actually have a lot of friends.
53:21
SPEAKER_02: So it would be John Legazamo at most.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: And he just fixes the car, watches the dog, and if if we want to go there, it turns into a demon clown.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Um I think John Wick, John, I think if John Wick was in this situation, he would let John McClane kill him and free him from his pain.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:42
SPEAKER_02: No, and uh damn.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: So I think that's where and honestly it becomes another just talking about modern societies that John McClane comes with friends and things of that nature, where John McCl not John McClane comes with friends and what have you.
54:04
SPEAKER_00: And John Wick just doesn't.
54:06
SPEAKER_00: He's alone, and it's because you know, feeling isolated and feeling like you're being attacked from all sides is like really relatable for our generation.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: I mean his parents got divorced, he's dealing with various substance abuses.
54:18
SPEAKER_02: Um it's yeah, yeah.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: Um just uh and and that's just a statement on the generation, not on John Wick's character.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Um because you could tell the way in the first movie, the way he drinks that tequila, yeah, that that at least Keanu Reeves is not a habitual drinker.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe John Keanu Reeves is trying to hide that from us.
54:41
SPEAKER_02: But I think that's what it comes down to.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, John McClain would come with Jai Courtney and have two Yippie Kaye motherfuckers.
54:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: And John Wick would be able to deal with one Yuppie KA motherfucker.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: No, he wasn't able to deal with one.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: If he has the hotel owner.
55:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, if he has the hotel owner, or John Leg was on the other.
55:04
SPEAKER_00: Or if he has a single friend to help him get through.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: He'll get through one Yippie Kaye motherfucker.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, John McClain doesn't need a friend to Yippie Kaye.
55:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: It's just but John Wick does need a friend in order to with the Yippie Kaye.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you're right that if um if he has his son, that's two Yippie Kaye's, and that is one more than Yippie Kaye.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: John Wick can handle.
55:29
SPEAKER_00: It's just it's too bad.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: It's too bad.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: It's too much yippie kaye.
55:33
SPEAKER_00: It's too bad for John Wick.
55:34
SPEAKER_00: We didn't get a chance to address what I what I can't stand about the John Wick movies is that everyone always runs directly toward him, and that is why it looks like real it looks it looks realistic because he's he's only ever in he's only shooting people who just come into frame.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: But like if you if you were to pull back on a scene of John Wick killing people, they'd be running it toward him for like 30 yards while he was shooting their friends, and then then he shoots them when they refuse to shoot him if they're beyond six yards away.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: In actuality, the fights would be take place from cover.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:14
SPEAKER_00: But we don't want to watch that.
56:15
SPEAKER_00: He has people running and and watching like 10 of their friends get shot as they run within 12 feet of this guy, and then they run within 12 feet of them.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: I would say the most realistic, well, that changes in the caves.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: I'd say the most realistic in within that realm would be in when he fights off the home invaders.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: Because I mean every every room of his house is 12 feet, so you're you you've just invited yourself into his you know his realm of chaos.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if you look at like the scenes where he's in subways and stuff, like where like why did you guys approach him?
56:50
SPEAKER_00: Just yeah, well, just shoot him from like around a corner, you dumbasses.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: Wait.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, would John Wick bring Willem Dafoe as the sniper in one?
56:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't even remember because he died.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: He was killed by but that states that no.
57:05
SPEAKER_02: So even if he did bring Willem Dafoe as the sniper, he would die.
57:09
SPEAKER_02: He would die because pretty quickly John Wick has two.
57:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's got two He can't have a friend.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: John Wick, yeah, John Wick's friends die.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, John Wick can't have friends, and it really disadvantages him in this last round.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: John Wick, he's alone.
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SPEAKER_02: His wife died.
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SPEAKER_02: Every friend he has except John Luguzamo dies, and John Liguzamo keeps a healthy distance.
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SPEAKER_00: He sure does.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll fix your fucking car and thanks for the dog.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: But don't come by my house.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: I have kids here.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: I think I think he even comes by that garage, and John Liguisamo's like, what the fuck are you doing here?
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where that's where John Wick loses in round three, and I think as a whole, is that John Wick has no one he can count on for real.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Except John Wick.
57:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
57:54
SPEAKER_02: Too relatable.
57:55
SPEAKER_02: Too relatable.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: While meanwhile, uh a boomer action hero with multiple Yippy Kaife motherfuckers has a bunch of kids that he could use and abuse.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
58:07
SPEAKER_00: I guess this is where that legacy conversation really turns against us.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: So as long as you force your and and Jai Courtney's character fucking hated him.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: As long as you're able to reinforce in your children that they owe something to you just by being alive, you can succeed where other people would fail.
58:28
SPEAKER_02: Look here, motherfucker.
58:29
SPEAKER_02: You owe me one Yippie Kaye, motherfucker.
58:32
SPEAKER_02: Motherfucker.
58:34
SPEAKER_02: I gotta fight this assassin.
58:37
SPEAKER_02: Alright, well, that settles it.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Merry Christmas, everybody.
58:41
SPEAKER_02: This one was for John McClain.
58:43
SPEAKER_02: Way to go, John.
58:45
SPEAKER_02: Way to go, John.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: Our parents get another one.
58:51
SPEAKER_00: Way to go on creating crazy fucking characters.
58:54
SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, wait ago on creating way on whoa, I got it.
58:58
SPEAKER_00: Way on relating to people who never fail or feel isolated or anything like that.
59:07
SPEAKER_00: Congratulations on relating to that.
59:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:09
SPEAKER_00: Because you've created a generation that doesn't.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: Fuck you.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: Jesus Christ.
59:15
SPEAKER_02: That's the end of this episode.
59:18
SPEAKER_02: Give fucked.
59:19
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59:21
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59:31
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59:33
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59:35
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59:39
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59:40
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59:41
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59:42
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59:46
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59:48
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59:52
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59:53
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59:55
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59:56
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: So our next episode after this one isn't coming out until the 27th.
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