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"The Counter is a Sacred Space" with Ted Rooney (Morey) (S1 E5, “Cinnamon's Wake”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, let's just you. I am
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  Speaker 1: all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: All right, hey everybody, Uh, we are ready to rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll to Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hello, ladies, Hello, Riley, Hello Amy, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: How are you this morning? Good morning. I'm more concerned
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  Speaker 1: about how you are, Scott. I'm not well. I'm not well.
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  Speaker 1: I watched this episode. I watched Cinnamon. That's not funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's serious. It's I know, I know it's amusing to you,
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  Speaker 1: but this is serious business. All I could think about
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  Speaker 1: it was like how pissed you were getting with the
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  Speaker 1: arm and the rubbing and the like holding. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: he is losing his leap right now. This is episode
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  Speaker 1: five Cinnamon's Wake, air date November two, two thousand, when
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  Speaker 1: both a distant family member and neighbor's cat die Lorelei,
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  Speaker 1: has to decide which wake to attend. Max and Lorela
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  Speaker 1: get their feelings for each other out on the table.
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  Speaker 1: But what will Rory think of this? So listen, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna talk about Cinnamon's Wake, which was a
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  Speaker 1: delightful affair. It really was. It had many many many
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  Speaker 1: great lines. I mean, this was a superstar episode for sure. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It highlighted the skills of so many people, um, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, including myself. I got a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: into the episode. I actually had one of those funny
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  Speaker 1: physical comedy scene with Melissa McCarthy where we get stuck
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  Speaker 1: in the doorway. I mean, it was just I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed that. There's a little tension between the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But I
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  Speaker 1: gotta tell you, and I don't want to make this
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  Speaker 1: a regular thing here, but you know, the Luke rants
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  Speaker 1: are turning into Scott rants, and uh, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing, but Jesus, I
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  Speaker 1: you know, listen, I am nothing if I am not honest,
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  Speaker 1: and that's bugging me. He's touching her, He's touching the elbow.
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  Speaker 1: He's like showing up there. You know. Suki is setting up.
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  Speaker 1: She lights the table on fire, Lauren puts it out
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  Speaker 1: with some lemonade, and it's hysterically funny thing here. I'll
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  Speaker 1: actually drink one. I'll buy one and drink one. Um,
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  Speaker 1: all good stuff, and then you know we're having a
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  Speaker 1: rollicking good time. On the comedy train, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, here's Mcmadina just drops in on a parachute. Boom, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing? The ruins little room? And there
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  Speaker 1: he is warming his way in again. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. You know, I'm fired up. I
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  Speaker 1: can't take it. Was like he just appeared. It's like
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  Speaker 1: he came out of the bush. He's been watching, he's
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  Speaker 1: been stalking, and there he is and Mr Medina, Laurel,
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  Speaker 1: this is Mr Medina. Although she tapped him with that
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  Speaker 1: fire starter thing she like flirt e Lee tapped him
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  Speaker 1: on the chest. He did, oh, she did, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is is he asked her two come,
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  Speaker 1: you know, can you come with me from I mean
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  Speaker 1: he removed her. He's listen, my. The entire theme here
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  Speaker 1: is about manipulation. He's manipulating her. Okay, this is pure
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  Speaker 1: and utter manipulation of another human being in an inappropriate setting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's manipulated. He's wearing her down because she's
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  Speaker 1: really resisting and she's saying all the right things. And
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  Speaker 1: I was so relieved watching Lorelei's character this episode because
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  Speaker 1: she's really defending, defending, defending the whole time, and she doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Well let's I mean, I'll get to how she got
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  Speaker 1: broke and down. But he's a master manipulator. Max Medina
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  Speaker 1: is a master manipulator. But he likes her. He just
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  Speaker 1: likes her, and and he knows she feels it too.
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  Speaker 1: He knows it's inappropriate. I told you before, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: listen to me. A man makes a choice, and he
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  Speaker 1: chose to be a manipulator. They do address it twice.
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  Speaker 1: They do have that conversation. This, this entire episode is
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  Speaker 1: designed to give Laurel I the impetus to go in
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  Speaker 1: to this dating thing with him. That almost every scene
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  Speaker 1: is designed, even and we'll get into this, but even
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  Speaker 1: the scene where I pop at Suki, that's a scene
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  Speaker 1: that fuels her to go running into his arms because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of go waco on Suki. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's a little over the top, don't I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I get really angry at her. She does, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but that was amazing. She does bring up that which
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  Speaker 1: I was directed there must be a rule again and this,
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  Speaker 1: and she says there's nothing in the handbook, And she says, well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an unwritten rule. Absolutely, but the thing
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  Speaker 1: and and especially the Bad Beat scene when Bad Beat
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  Speaker 1: is emptying the pills into the box and saying uh um.
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  Speaker 1: And this isn't structured in any way. You know. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm just so fired up. I'm jumping around when
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  Speaker 1: Bad Bat is putting the pills in. They have that
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  Speaker 1: scene in the kitchen at the at the wake, right
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  Speaker 1: and uh uh And Babett says one key line that
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  Speaker 1: further fuels Laura lay into the Max's arms. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you just never know, you know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and and and and then your your baby's gone, and
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  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with the rest of your life?
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  Speaker 1: And then Lauren had that moment like oh wow, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh Rory's going away, She's gonna go away
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of years, and and what's she gonna have?
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  Speaker 1: So it all again, it becomes about her. There was
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot to it, because yes, from a distance,
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  Speaker 1: I understand why you're a little bit put off by it.
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  Speaker 1: He's grabbing her elbow, he said, come on over. I
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  Speaker 1: mean this is right in the when they're doing the fundraiser,
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  Speaker 1: the bake sale, The bake sale bake sale, private school
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  Speaker 1: fifty seventy dollars in real money because of all the
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  Speaker 1: money to hitch up for. Once you pay the fifty,
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  Speaker 1: I know, you just lose your mind. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: grabs her elbow again, come this way with me, like,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, no, I know. And then that's when he
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  Speaker 1: when she hits him with the heat. And then they
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  Speaker 1: get into the thing. I want to date you. I
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  Speaker 1: want to think we should date. I want to date you.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's like and she's defending, defending, defending. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna you go, girl, that a girl. Get him off,
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  Speaker 1: you get him off you, you know, put out the fire,
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  Speaker 1: Put out the fire. How were you feeling during the
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  Speaker 1: coffee shop scene when she slides over there is arm rubbing. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's he took his left um and he rubbed the
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  Speaker 1: left arm above the elbow. And he did it twice,
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  Speaker 1: and he did it. He did it three times that
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  Speaker 1: we saw from his point of view, that angle of
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  Speaker 1: the shot. I analyzed this last night. I analyzed this,
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  Speaker 1: and she noticed that the first time. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: how she noticed it? The first time she felt it,
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  Speaker 1: and she looked out, she didn't look at him, and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't look away. She just sort of looked up
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  Speaker 1: and there was a little bit of a smile on
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  Speaker 1: her face, like, boy, this guy's ballsy. Yeah, she liked
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  Speaker 1: being touched. It's it's surprised her. She liked it. And
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  Speaker 1: then and then he started telling her the story. He
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  Speaker 1: started telling the story about his you know, the was it,
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  Speaker 1: who was it? The girl that he you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole lie of a story, the bs. And then he
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  Speaker 1: did it again. He started rubbing with the thumb okay,
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  Speaker 1: and she looked down. That's when she the second time
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  Speaker 1: she looked down, it's gonna be okay, and it's like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's really like full court press here, and she
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  Speaker 1: smiled and it was like game on. Yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 1: master manipulator, that is Max Madina. He made it physical
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  Speaker 1: and again he's got game. He's not a manipulator. He's
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  Speaker 1: got game and he knows she's into it, but she
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  Speaker 1: just needs this extra little push. I mean, if Luke
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  Speaker 1: would have been at the counter when Loralai and Suki
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  Speaker 1: are talking about her getting you know, you would have
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  Speaker 1: lost your mind. But I did. I did lose my mind,
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  Speaker 1: and I lost it indirectly at Suki and I did
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  Speaker 1: say to them, I don't know how you guys ever
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  Speaker 1: get any work done. Now he was he can hear.
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  Speaker 1: That's his place, he hears, he knows what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: He can't show his cards right right right. He's not
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  Speaker 1: going to get you know, weep be about it. He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get piste. I thought he was Look now that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about it. I thought he was just mad
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  Speaker 1: at Suki for garnishing and salting and lemoning. But I
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  Speaker 1: got you. That was indirect anger for Lauren. Do we
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  Speaker 1: need to get you help? Like let it out? He
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  Speaker 1: needs magic risotto? So you okay? If you were not
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  Speaker 1: Scott slash Luke. Do you totally dislike them together? No? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I think they're good together. I like that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's not in that setting. The teacher mom,
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  Speaker 1: Rory is pleading with her own mother not to do this.
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  Speaker 1: She lied to her daughter. Why is Max knocking on
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  Speaker 1: our door? What's going on? Then it hits Rory like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: what what are you doing mom? And she's like no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's nothing. You lied to me, mom. You didn't tell
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  Speaker 1: me about this. No, no no no. And then then it's
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  Speaker 1: like you know, the max Medina manipulation virus gets on
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  Speaker 1: laurel Light and she starts manipulating her own kid right like,
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  Speaker 1: not justifying like this is okay. And then that final
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  Speaker 1: scene where it's like, you know, I won't do it
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  Speaker 1: if I mean, that's how that's how the manipulation virus
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  Speaker 1: got around. But she was so adamant about dating that
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  Speaker 1: guy she gave Rory, a sixteen year old girl under
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  Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of pressure to keep her mother happy,
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  Speaker 1: guilted her into and and and you know, manipulators, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of them are very clever about it.
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  Speaker 1: They give the other person all the power to make
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  Speaker 1: the decision of what they're gonna do, knowing full well
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  Speaker 1: what the answer is gonna be. Right, And she came
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  Speaker 1: back and said, it's okay, go ahead, Datum, but you know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night, keep mount late, so you know, I can
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  Speaker 1: what ever I feel you. But I also think that
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  Speaker 1: Rory gave the thumbs up. I don't. I don't at all.
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  Speaker 1: She knew Rory knew full well and explained it to
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  Speaker 1: her mother before she said get help. At the end
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  Speaker 1: of the Wake the Cinnamon's Wake scene, Um what what
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  Speaker 1: hell this is going to create for her? At school?
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  Speaker 1: She she listed all the things that are gonna go
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  Speaker 1: wrong for her. It's at Chilton if when this dating
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  Speaker 1: thing begins. I mean, she's sixteen. She knew it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be bad for her. It's already bad for her.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you making it worse? Mom? Why are you
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  Speaker 1: lying to me? Why are you going after this guy?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Get help? And Suki even calls her crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Suki said, oh no, no, Rory knows. She knows you're crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's all. And she goes, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for cheering me. Is it wrong that I kind
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  Speaker 1: of love it? No? I mean that's good television, right,
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  Speaker 1: That's that's what you need. You need conflict in television.
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  Speaker 1: But this it kind of borders on character degradation. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's like how the balancing act and creating a
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  Speaker 1: character and and and writing is, you know, how do
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  Speaker 1: you create conflict and how do you get the character
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  Speaker 1: so close to the line where it almost starts to
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  Speaker 1: hurt the character? And I think they're walking a very
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  Speaker 1: fine line there. It's it's it's it's very risky stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, they're walking a fine line, which I went
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  Speaker 1: to the side of. But it's cute. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: They're putting them in situations like Cinnamon's Wake, where they're
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  Speaker 1: being portrayed as so compassionate for BET's cat. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they were Rory was so sweet to Mari and he's
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  Speaker 1: what did MORI say, I'm I'll never eat clams again?
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  Speaker 1: And Rory said, mean me either, and just taps and
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  Speaker 1: it was so sweet. It was so heartbreaking. That girl
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  Speaker 1: is so sweet, That character is so sweet and uh
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  Speaker 1: and then then there you go Laurelize over there. She
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  Speaker 1: she leaves to go over and be with her friend
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  Speaker 1: and comfort her friend. I mean, these are very compassionate
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  Speaker 1: people and it's hard to dislike them in that situation
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  Speaker 1: even though there's all this manipulation going on because Laura
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  Speaker 1: La needs to get some you know, because basically that's
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  Speaker 1: what it was about. I mean, what what what why
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  Speaker 1: was the miss scenes are in shows and movies for
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  Speaker 1: a purpose, that all have a purpose. So Miss Patty
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  Speaker 1: is busted by Kirk and they said, you know, nothing
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  Speaker 1: unauthorized will go in your mouth again. You know that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, alluding to all this stuff, right, and Miss
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  Speaker 1: Patty is like she's always there's always sexual innuendo with
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  Speaker 1: Miss Patty everything out of her life. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: she says, won't tell a single soul that you don't
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  Speaker 1: know that young man exactly. But that's the episode. The
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  Speaker 1: episode should be called, you know, sexual innuendo or yes,
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  Speaker 1: well somebody's going to get some. Okay, everybody take a
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  Speaker 1: deep breath, because we do need to come back, because
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  Speaker 1: there's so many parallels between Max and Lorelai and Rory
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  Speaker 1: and Dean. So yeah, maybe in through the nose, out
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  Speaker 1: through the mouth. And Dean shows up at the at
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  Speaker 1: the last second and does the same thing that Max
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  Speaker 1: mcdina did to Laurela, saying, maybe this isn't such a
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  Speaker 1: good I look I like you, but I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to force you, and then he walks why she goes no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no, And Dean does the same thing. He comes
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  Speaker 1: and says, look I like you, but I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to force you even to buy, and she goes, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same, it's the same deal. Because they've got game. Breathe.
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  Speaker 1: I do have a question for Scott, Yes, would you
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  Speaker 1: have preferred the Chiltern Dad over Max? Good? Good one. No,
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  Speaker 1: none of them. Don't date these people. Don't bring your
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  Speaker 1: big city values into a small town and act like
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  Speaker 1: you can lord it over people. I mean, these are
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be small town values, and now you've got
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  Speaker 1: people macking on each other at the bank sale. That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't help doing small towns. What's going on? What are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? You're gonna blow up her education. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get everybody southed. The school's gonna shut down in Hartford.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's it's a scandal. It's a potential scandal.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we watch. I'm gonna take a little sip
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  Speaker 1: of Scotty piece of Hey everybody. Uh, we're back with
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  Speaker 1: Scott Patterson and I am all in podcast I Heart Radio.
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  Speaker 1: We have a very special guest with us, uh this week,
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  Speaker 1: Ted Rooney. As you know, he played Morey, Dell and
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. Um, and I'm gonna read a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about Ted. He first appeared as Morey in a total
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen episodes. Wow, I thought it was more than that, Ted,
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  Speaker 1: I think I counted a few more by IMDb, but
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  Speaker 1: somewhere up there and maybe twenty three or four. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like you were in almost every other one. You're
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  Speaker 1: from Portland, Oregon. You're the seventh of nine children. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You're in your undergraduate degreen theater at Lewis and Clark College.
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  Speaker 1: You went on to receive an MFA and acting at
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  Speaker 1: Temple University in Philadelphia, my hometown. You're six ft six.
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  Speaker 1: After college, you want to play semi professional basketball and Jeremy,
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that. Uh. Following your basketball crew,
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  Speaker 1: you move in New York City for six years pursue
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  Speaker 1: a theater uh and um, and then before moving to
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles to continue see your career. While pursuing on
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  Speaker 1: camera television appearances, you acted in abundance of projects, including
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  Speaker 1: Legally Blonde, best known for Mari del and Gilmore Girls,
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  Speaker 1: Neo Natologist Dr tabash On e Er, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: And uh. John mc mcgargel McGarrigle McGarrigle on on the
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  Speaker 1: HBO series Boardwalk Empire. Boy, that was this. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: let's listen, Ted, Let's just start from the book. Let's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: just start from the beginning. How to get the part
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: of Morey del on Gilmore? Oh, wow, this is quite
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  Speaker 1: a story. I walked in that trailer on the Warner
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  Speaker 1: brothers set and they laughed. Yeah, so that I know
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  Speaker 1: Sally Struthers had already been cast and they were looking
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  Speaker 1: at somebody to perhaps contrast her, and what a contrast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well all that energy and yeah, wow, I did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I think I had one line, I said. They sat
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  Speaker 1: me down and I faked like I was playing the piano,
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  Speaker 1: and I said one line and they laughed, and then
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  Speaker 1: I left and I went on a trip to Mexico
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  Speaker 1: with my friend John. Two week trip were three week
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  Speaker 1: trip where we're touring around the small villages surrounding Mexico City,
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  Speaker 1: the colonial villages, and I thought to check my answering
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  Speaker 1: machine at one point, and there were five messages from
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  Speaker 1: my agent, getting more and more distressed as they went.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of those back in the day when
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have a cell phone, you had to check
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  Speaker 1: your messages. And the last one was you have to
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  Speaker 1: call today. You have to call today. And I called.
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  Speaker 1: He said, they want to You need to get up
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  Speaker 1: here now, and so I I left Mexico and my
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  Speaker 1: friend and then shot this first episode that I was in,
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  Speaker 1: and then flew back to Mexico and joined my Friendtastic,
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  Speaker 1: who was in the room at the audition, do you remember,
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  Speaker 1: Uh was was thinking Amy was in there. But that's
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  Speaker 1: about all I could recall besides the casting director. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: what's there? Yeah? Well okay, So what did you first
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  Speaker 1: think when you when you read the script? Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what were your initial thoughts on on MORI? This is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: so weird that you're asking me, Uh, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know the guest star routine, and you've been there and
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  Speaker 1: there's the whole happy family that does the show and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you get to try and fit in as as best
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: as possible and not knuck up the works, and and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: then you go home and you have your life and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you have other roles you play and everything. And but
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the weird thing about Gilmore Girls is with his guest
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: star role, people recall this and want to know about
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it and what was your experience? And it was so
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: much like my other guest star roles, you know, because uh,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I unfortunately wasn't quite in the family. I U. For
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: me personally, my hopes got I have to say, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: got my hopes up like this could be, this could be. No. No,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I mean you mean they didn't make you a series regular.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: That's what you're kind of referring to I mean as
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: an as an actor, you know, you you want to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: have that regular gig and it kind of puts you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: over the top. And but I'll also to be a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: part of truly a part of it, because community is
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: hard to find as a guest actor as far as
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in the business. But to actually be on a set
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: regularly where everyone's just happy to be there and you're
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: all actors and you're working, I mean, what it's like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: doing you know, theater, you know at that point. But
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: when you when you came to the set, it was
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: always you know, everybody was uplifted because Ted's here. Ted's here.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. It at just the fact that you're
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: asking me these questions, you're interviewing me, and you're like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: one of the stars of the show. It's just this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: is weird. It's like John Cleese's interview me about some
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: small role I had on TV once. Uh is so
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: crazy girl, And I felt I felt it too about
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the show. I felt, It's like this is something special.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The writing is so clever and so tight, and all
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the actors I'm meeting are good actors. This is gonna
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: be great. And so I was in five of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: first seven episodes, and then I just looked. I just
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about this, and sometime because you don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: try not to think about these things, but I went
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: back and looked, and it was five episodes of the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: first seven and the last episode I was in I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: think it was the birthday party for for uh, for Alexis,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but I was in the Gilmore House with their tight
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: circle celebrating, you know, Rory's birthday, and I just like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this is it. Oh my god, I'm a part of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this family, and you know, like wow, not just for
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: business reasons, for just life reasons. It was so awesome
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and to be a part of a story that you
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: can be proud of too, you know. And uh, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: one of the one of the most satisfying parts of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of having this podcast, not only uh after pitching it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and making a deal with I heart, um, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the most satisfying part of this. And this is something
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I always always kind of chafed at during shooting and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the pr part of it and all that that everybody
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't included, because everybody was such an important part of it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't matter how small your role was
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: or how many episodes, you did you know to the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Gilmore fan base, which is you know, it's it's everywhere,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: trust me, because we're this podcast is charting in Mongolia,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's charting in in in as Are by John It's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's everywhere. So the global fan base is
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it's everywhere. And you, your character, you're you're a star
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to the fan base that you're not thinking in terms
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of well, he didn't do them any episodes like you
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: were there and you are part of this show just
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: as much as anybody is. And that's the beauty because everybody,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so many people got overlooked on this cast and there,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and we're all so gifted, and these characters are also memorable.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: This gives us a chance to bring you on and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: give you the credit that you decided hilarious. So what
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: what'd you thinking? How do you explain more? Okay, okay,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: back to the original question, right, how do I explain more? Seriously?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, just say the line and stay out of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the way of the furniture. Um, don't make too much
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of it. The very the very first episode, I think
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: it was um Michael Michael Cattleman and um he Michael
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Cattleman for those of you who don't know as a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: director on the show, and I think he was also
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: an executive producer, and we all loved him and he
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, so he was great and um uh
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the first scene, I'm like, okay, so I'll put it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'll be this jazz artist and put a little voice
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: on and and he stopped me after the first dangs
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like okay, so yeah, you know, just im just you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just talk. You don't have to do any of that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: jazz stuff, you know. And and from then on, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: just I just you know, talked, and I was I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was I'm that kind of faithful, nice guy who doesn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: stand out except for his height. Um and uh, I'm
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's that guy that decides to love Babbitt too. Uh
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to Babita, sorry you Christmas. So that's just like she's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a crazy person. A lot of trips in Mexico. Okay,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: let me take a couple of less trips. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm just I love this. This is so weird.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And uh, I'm that guy that just showed up for
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: her and said, I love you. I don't care, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I just love you the way you are. And and um,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: so steady Eddie, you know, the perfect relationship. You guys
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: were so in love and especially that's so touching scene.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It's such a touching scene at the end of Cinema
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and fuag when and let's just go look at the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: stars baby oh man and you still Phillips. Beautiful, just
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a beautiful moment. Was you guys made everybody feel what
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: true love should be and just dedication to each other
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and true love for each other. It was It was very,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: very sweet. But just you know, you guys had some
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of the best moments in the whole series, which is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: why you are iconic. You are iconic. Ted Room, Oh
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: my god, you can have anywhere in the world. Weize
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that's true. My wife was teaching when I met her.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: She was teaching in Slovakia, in high school in Slovakia.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So I went to visit her. This is when we
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: were falling in love and I was courting her, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: via a long distance, and so I went out there
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and spent a few weeks out there, and several of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: her students just went crazy when I walked in the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: room because they knew me immediately as Maury Dell and Slovakia.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That was the first time that our TV shows really
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: started to reach a mass the world kind of and um.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And on that same trip, we were in Czech Republic
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: in Prague and the TV was on in the other
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: roomors staying in this apartment, and Gilmore Girls came on
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and I came on randomly out of all the characters
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that could occur, and I'm speaking check and just weird, weird.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I've got a million emails over the years of people
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: live being in Europe and they did they text me
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: or they or they email and say, you're speaking French
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: right now, and exactly it's five A. I mean, I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: cannot imagine what it's like for you. And it's a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: specific crowd because they're they're Gilmber Girls fans. Some people
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: have never seen gilm More Girls, but the fans have
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: seen them three or four or five times, and so
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: we're etched in their brains. So you must have you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: must just like wherever you go, it's just nuts. It's hicock. Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: go ahead, No, I mean they're always you know, they're not.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: They don't go crazy. They they they're very very um
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: um gentle and very respectful and they're just really nice
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and they just want to share with you what the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: show has meant to them over the I mean it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: very very nice, that's true. I think that is we
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: we are a part of their family, or they've become
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: more girls. Feels like family for them too, just like
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: get felt with me when I first arrived. Um. And
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so it's less of uh, it's less of a worship
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and more of like your hey family. So listen, Marie
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: del husband to Sally Struthers, Babbett or Babbitt, whatever you
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: want to call her. Did you love working with Sally?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: What was that like? Oh? First day? Um? Uh, little
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: little hint. I know who Sally Struthers is. Um, very well.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: We're sitting on the set together next to each other
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the first time I'm talk I'm just I haven't even
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: officially met her. We're just sitting right next to each other.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And she goes, huh, it's so hot. And I said, yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: not like the Portland's days. Huh. And she she did
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: one little double take and looked at me and said,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: are you and Rooney's son? And uh, she totally got
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: it right away. My dad was one of her favorite
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: teachers in high school here in Portland, Grant High School. Yeah, yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and we always had it all in the family picture
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: up in his office that was signed by Sally Struthers. Uh.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So we were very well acquainted with who Sally strut was.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: She was Grants rock star and so to sit next
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to her, I just couldn't I was like, oh Kidney,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Candy Storey, couldn't wait to you know, let her know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: And her reaction was priceless. She just one breath your
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: ed Rudy said, aren't you like Yeah, And so of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: course we're you know, fast friends after that. Yeah, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: she comes up to Portland once in a while and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: so she we've had her over for tea and she's, uh,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: she's my son Abes fairy godmother. Yeah, she agreed to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: do that for us. Yeah, she's great. What was the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: best moment you had with her on set? Can? Is
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: there one that really sticks out? That? Just? Well, one thing,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: she was always looking out for me, you know, she's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: she does that you know with younger actors, and um,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they always wanted to me were sunglasses, and I was
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: happy to do that. But Sally's like your eyes, your
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: blue eyes, they gotta see your blue eyes. Take you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: some glasses off, and she would she would have me
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: take them off so that the whoever was in charge
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: had to have me put them back on, and uh
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that she was always trying to get me to say,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: he can do you need a few more lines? Could
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you see a few more lines? But but one of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: my favorite moments was with her and Liz. Uh. We
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: were out by the out at the the hacienda or
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: who are Laura Lie you know runs and the two
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of them we were we just had a few lines
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in the scenes. We're just holding court and yucking it up,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and it was getting ridiculous because they were laughing their
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: heads off and everybody's laughing their heads off, and you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: can see a couple of suits that were kind of nervous,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like if you gotta be shooting here, but just hilarious.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Listening to them riff with each other and bounce off
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of the other is priceless. To to get to know
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this person who I you know as a kid. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was just this icon. Think had I just surreptitiously recorded
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the Sally Um Liz Torres conversations and routines that they
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: did on set. I mean that stuff. Oh yeah, all
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the time shooting a scene. You know, they were riffing
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: back and forth. It was it was, it was magic.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It was just like old school. It's old school storytellers,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the old the old comedian comedians and actors
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that have all those stories. I could just listen forever.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So you guys, did you guys have that great chemistry
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: from the start? I mean, I mean you told the story,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: so the chemistry was there, but on while you were acting?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Was that chemistry did that translate over into the acting
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: sign because it really well. She she was the leader,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you know, of the unit and as a person, she
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: was the leader of our unit and as our in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: our relationship. You know, where she'd lead, I would father
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: there you go. Um, what do you remember best from
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Cinnamon's Wake? From Cinnamon's Way? Yeah, because the both of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you look so great in that episode. What what is
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the thing that you remember most about Cinnamons? I clearly
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: remember that last moment you're talking about, UM and I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: think it was one of the shows I end up
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: watching and UM And what was cool about it was
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite artists, Sam Phillips, who wrote a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: lot of the music for and everybody's familiar with that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: for the show, wrote a little piece for that moment.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And uh, it was at the Christmas party that year
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: when uh a t Bone Burnette was married to her
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: at the time, and understanding, next teaboard Burnette is about
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: my height and you can't miss him, and we're at
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the food and I just kind of started to mention
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that I was a fan of his and a fan
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of hers and and uh, and he said, hey, well
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you should come meet her, and he dragged me over
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: to meet Sam Phillips. And Sam Phillips was all like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: excited to see me because she had written this little,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you know piece for that little scene and and just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to be a part of Gilmore Girl. She was like
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a thrilled fan herself. And I couldn't believe it because
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I followed her career since I was in high school.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: She definitely one of my favorite singer songwriters of all time.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And and uh and then she's like, could I meet Lauren?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And so I brought Sam Phillips over to meet Lauren. Um.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Just one of those surreal moments where, you know, because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just a guy from Portland, it just feels weird
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to be running in those in that realm. But to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: have met Sam Phillips and for to have her have
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: written a little jingle for our scenes introducing people what's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: happening exactly, so super super cool. Yeah, that was from
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Cinnamon Cinnamon's Wake. It was just a nice, simple, you know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: just be present and be with each other moment. So
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you know that that happened to me. I mean there
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was several times over the years where you know, the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: massive celebrities, uh would be in video village watching a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: scene and then you'd come out, you know, you'd come
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: out from the diner and you go sit in your
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: chair and you'd PLoP down and you you'd say hello
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to somebody and then turned back like that's Brian to Palma,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: like what's going I know? And the only thing, the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: only thing I could say to him was because we
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: were born on the same day. I said, hey, you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: know we're born the same day. That thing we're trying
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to find that we could say, you know, that's that's
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: so funny to be you know, somebody like you is
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: is obviously very successful actor has the same experience. But
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: then you hear the stars on TV shows talk about
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the same experience there their movie stars there, you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: they're just the top of the the heap and they
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: meet somebody and just turned Gaga on. They're like that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: scene with the telephone. What you did. I walked into
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a diner one day and there's Norman Mailer sitting there
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: through scrapped and you know it's like this Norman Maylor. Right. No,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it's just like sort of normal average. You know we're
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot a scene, No big deal. Yeah, that's just
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: what a great experience that is. So the house, Look,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that house was so tiny. Uh your your house by
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Bettan Mori's house was so small. Did you ever bump
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: into things? Did you bump your head? Well? I have
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a lifetime of ducking, so I mean trouble when we
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: were a baseball cap because I don't see those things coming.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: So I have hit my head many times, but I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: didn't happen to on that set. That was one of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: those things too. It is like they built a house
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: for us. This is we're in here one of those
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: none of the moments. Right next door to the Gilmour girls. Wow, wow,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: can you play the piano? I can? I'm a hack?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Can you play? Can you still play the Cinnamons Wake
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: song that you played in did you were you playing
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that song. No, no, they have me. They had me
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: listen to it and you know mine. So now I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I if I would have been playing that, you could
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have told that I was not a professional jazz musician,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but I might have been able to bang it out
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, let me ask you this, did you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: consider yourself, um a father figure to Rory on any level?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Where is this question coming from? Um? From the fans? O? No,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: dad really really really intelligence? Now you mentioned it. You know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a grown man living next door and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have a dad. You know, we did have
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a moment. Oh, we did have a great moment. It's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in his wake, that's right where she sits down next
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to me. That was beautiful, beautiful moment. Yes, and she
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: puts her hand on me, and uh and what was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the final dialogue? Claims and clams. I'll never clams again.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But she comforts me with something that's right. Neither will
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I and I look at her look on her face
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and a little bit I was very She was great. Yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Alexis was such for as young as she was. She
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: talked about never push, you know, just bring enough and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: bring bring come as you are so real and and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where you see a really
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: good actor and you're watching from ten feet aware and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you're like, hey, they're really not doing much, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And then and then we watch them on the camera,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it's like the whole story is there and it's seamless
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and it's just easy. She made actually new act without
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: being terribly trained. Yeah, exactly, Wow, she did, and she
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: walked right into a masterclass with all these monster actors,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you know, she did, and she not only held her own,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't think there was a better
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: character in all of television the last twenty years or
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: now last forty years, forty one year. Um, yeah, so vulnerable,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: so sweet, Yeah, so so easy to root for, you know, totally.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing about the following people? Sally Bet
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: what's my favorite thing about the following people? Oh, Sally,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We're bad, bad, which both her spirit, her joy of life,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: her leading with her voice. Rory alexis uh that there
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: are two sides of one coin. They're together they make
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: one solid, unbelievably perfect woman. Lauren Laura Line Lauren Laura
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: la Oh Uh, she's large and in charge. Get out
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of her way, man, She'll take over if you want
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: just get out of her way. Um, you know, think
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: about the amount of dialogue. Oh my god, she had
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to deal with every like every my freaking you had
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to stay single folks, single focused, and she had to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: do her job. She had a job to do. That.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: That's not just two days a week or three days
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a week. That's five and then going into Saturday, so
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's really five and a half. Can't I can't even imagine.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And I hear there was a coach on set you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: could kind of run lines. Yeah, yeah, George, he probably,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I mean the show. He lifted the show to another
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: level of that help. Actors were then free to be
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: because they got past that. I teach I teach acting.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And the thing, especially with comedy like this that's so
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: tightly written, is a half the job is just getting
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: past the dial forget about the character, for not get
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: past that dialogue, so you can be free to be.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Until you're there, you're in your head and you're hanging
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: on and you're you're no man's plan. You don't want
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: to be there, George, George, I don't want to be there.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be surviving and hoping. The word
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: comes to you. You gotta be bulletproof. I don't want it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got to reel it to control it. Yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and George Belt provided that. Yeah. Absolutely. Last just last week,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I had a couple of actors doing a scene from
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, because I love to bring bring those out
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: because of the that that's required, you know. And it's like, basically,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: my coaching is tighter, faster, come on, let's go, let's go.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And then when when they get it there, they start
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to discover things about the kiduse it's so well written.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You just have to ride that wave. They don't have
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to do that character work as much out of your head.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You just say it. Yeah, and the character appears miracularly. Um,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: so listen, you know I I have a confession to make.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I did borrow a few things from the set and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and took them home for safe keeping. Did you did you?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Did you steal anything from the set? Let me come on,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: there's about five million people listening right now. So how
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: many years do we have before they can track us down?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: They can't track us down anymore. I think I think
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we're free now. Um. I couldn't help it. Um, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: went into your dinner and uh, we had one of
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the one of the biggest fans out there was in
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: our life and I took one of the cups from
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the one that was one that was on camera and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we Yeah, I had to had to fill up police reports,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the whole thing they put me into. But you know
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the show was over. It was when the show was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: over the last I'm making a phone call after we
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: get over this. Right now, we're gonna solve this caper.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So look, we've been talking about uh and he's this
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: last episode and this one Max Medina. Um, do you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: feel ted that Max was inappropriate with Laureline? I really
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: want to know. That's the question at hand. What does
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: he get away within this He's he's taking her up,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: He's taken around in this episode, right he shows up
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in Cinnamon's wake to take her out. Uh And and
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Rory doesn't even know about it, and he's cool with
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that and he is so I don't trust him. I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: don't trust him. And I feel like when he walks
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: away there, he's being a little manipulative and he's like, Okay, well, okay,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I guess you know. Um no no, no, no, no,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: please please please, Hey, I really like you, but I
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to force you into anything. And then especially
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just a good guy. I'm being a good
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: guy here. I'm such a good guy. I happen to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: be your daughter's teacher. I'm gonna blow up my career.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ruin her education. I'm probably get Chilton sued.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But I really want to, like, you know, you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I want to get you know what's going on here?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: You know what you know, lauralize feeling the romance of
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the potential of true love. I'm not sure he's thinking that,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you know what. I don't know either. I think he
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: was really thinking Laurel I. He probably wouldn't be doing this.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: He's rubbing her arm. Did you see that? He's rubbing
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: her arm? He doesn't even sure he's touching her elbow.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: He's rubbing her arms, rubbing, rubbing, rubbing. Man, if I'd
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: have seen that, if my character would have seen that,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it would have been all over all over for that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So you and me, right, you know, like you got
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to talk to my buddy. Well, if you don't have
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: my knack off for Laurel I, you're gonna have to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: talk to my buddy over here. Mario okay, pal, So
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure I'd be that direct because he
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: seems pretty much there. I'm go and smash his Mustang mirror,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the mirror on his Mustang. I would destroy that mirror.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have colonies that you have. I know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Luke Wood, oh Luke, which we get really ugly, just
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like bloody you know, he's bloody pulp and it's like
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you has to go to the hospital. And now the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Gilmo girls takes a serious turn. How nice did your
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: hair look? Now? Mussing you? Oh my god. No, but
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: we love Scott Cohen where it's just the character. It's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: just the character. I don't trust him. I agree, I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: don't trust him. But he played it beautifully, didn't he
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And he was supposed to play it that way. So
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it's just a beautiful manipulated Yeah, that's what I said
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in the last secment. The guy used the manipulated. He's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: just and he just he's like he's so turned on
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: by her that he's like he can't stop touching her.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Bugs me, it bugs me even now. Oh uh to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: give a ride and that must dang that cool convertible Mustang, Yeah,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: come on, think about it. Come on, that's all a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: part of his show, Trapp. He wanted to get his
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: own show, he wanted a spin off show. He fought
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: for it. But no, and the and truth wins out. Yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: for I'm cheesing and cheesing ching, we're frying for I'm sorry.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: But by by the end of this season that we
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: can't talk about that, right, I talk about anything you want.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: But I don't think they start to get pretty pretty serious.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I haven't either. I think I did. Yeah, I mean
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the episodes, but I know that I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: sort of know a couple of the facts. I mean,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I was there, so this conversation was ongoing, you know. Yeah,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see if you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: grow to trust him a little more with time, you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: if your instincts proved maybe wrong. No, that's no, no,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I will never know. I'm not going to trust the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: manipulator who places his own needs above that of of
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: one of the students. Yeah, I mean, come on, come on.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I also just don't don't think he's thinking of Laurel
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I first, exactly, And he's he's definitely thinking of himself first,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: maybe Laurel I second. But Rory last and Chilton a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: distant fourth. Yeah, you know, we're going to get some
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: guys together with crowbars. Were gotta we're gotta fix this situation.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: We'll mess up that car. I got the mirror, I
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: got the rear view mirror covered. I don't know. I think,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to me, that's a nice cars. And then we show
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: up in the and say, you know, and we pull
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: up to the dragon Fly, you and me like you're
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: in the back seat. I'm driving, or maybe you're driving.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I'm in the back seat. We pull up to the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: dragon Fly, I'm the driver. Yeah, And and and we say,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I got the Tommy gun. Hey, hey, how you doing?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: You do you want to come out on the race
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: track a couple of days you color style? Yeah? Anyway,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you that it all worked out
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: in the end. I'm so happy for you. You know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: groveling works anyway. So we're gonna do a segment called
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Rapid from the Boy are they are you have points?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Is the score? Can I win something? Can I win
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: some Scotty coffee? Sure, I'll send I'll send you up. Okay,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: but I got to do well? Right? Oh? Boy? Is
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it faster the better that's what. How do you like
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: a coffee? Uh? Practically muddy? Can you smell snow? Yes?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: S n O. W Are you team Logan, team jess
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: A Team Dean? Uh? Team Dean because he's on super
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Super Supernatural and he's so awesome. It shows over he's
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: on a new show. Well, who's the daddy? Who's who's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the daddy? Ry's baby daddy? Oh oh oh, that's it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Creeps me out, that whole thing. I'm sorry, that just
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy with that whole scenario. I am not.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to comment. I don't approve. Okay,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that's the prude in me. I'm sending you coffee. Yeah,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: creeps me. I can't believe it. I was I've never
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: won anything uffy well gold gold. What's the best memory
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of Gilmore Girls? Best memory of Gilmore Girls? Uh? Oh
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I just just meeting Sally Struggle and having
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: my dad, who was her favorite teacher on the set,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: hanging out with her and we got pictures together. What
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a happy That's great, What a nice moment. Wow, full circle,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's great. Favorite Friday night dinner meal Friday night.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Oh like the Gilmore Girls in state because you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know you were you you were never at
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a well I should say, okay, so let me see
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: my wife's a mushroom pasta. But actually Friday night disorder
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: outnight so dues dues Karaaki the local Yeah, gut bomb ye,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I love it. What's the show you're binge watching right now? Uh?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Cramp Um Martin Freeman. Uh, parenting about parenting? Uh, Breeders
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and cast. Remember you texted most recently? Uh? Sally Yeah, Sally, Yeah.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: We've gone back and forth through the years, Ted, Ted,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: this has been Uh, this has been a lot of fun.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I gotta why do they want to interview me? I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: don't have anything to say. Well, I think I think
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you know, it's obvious why we wanted to interview. You're
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a great interview for sure. Cry. I've never interviewed. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: was so nervous because you get interviewed all the time.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I've never I mean rarely, rarely. The most I was
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: interviewed was when we went to this um thing on
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the East Coast for Gilmore Girls about five years ago.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: The big Um, one of these big casts. You know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: everybody fly over there and hang out in the town,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and it was based this, The show is based on
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and and And they gave me a microphone, and you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm so quiet on the set and people have
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: never really got to know me. Uh, that was their
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: first mistake. All the cast members are up there on
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the stage and I'm answering half the questions and I'm
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: just like you. Nobody else is gonna say. I'm gonna
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: say I got I got something to say. But I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: was having fun. But you could see the casts like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: who is who was he on the show? Is he
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: talking so much? But that was fun, But I just
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: have I'm so intimidated. But a man talking so much?
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Why what's going on here? The men have to be quiet?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's that? Why is why is the actor talking?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm always told. I said, I tell myself,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: don't talk. Don't talk because I'm against our actor. You
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: can't You're not supposed to like, just why is the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: actor talking? We were basically just the pets. We were
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the pets, were the set pets. We're so lucky to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: be there, so so lucky to be a part of
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that show. Said Pat, Yeah, buddy, we got We're gonna
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: reach out to you, get your mailing a dress. I'm
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: gonna send you some coffee, okay, because you're such as,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: what's your coffee? Like, uh, it's Grade one specialty coffee.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful. So is there like an espresso or regular
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: or is there just the standard like Luke's Diner coffee.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: We have some whole bean and we have mostly just ground. Yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: we have cups. Okay, great? What does that mean? Grade wood,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Grade one specialty coffee means it's the best of the best.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Do you get that stamp? What do you gotta do
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to get that stamp? You got? Oh? Yeah, I get it. Okay,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole thing. It's a whole it's
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: a whole another conversation, but it's it's it's very complex
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and it's expressive. Yeah. So but my coffee is not expensive,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: so it's awesome. You're really gonna send me something. What
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: kind do you want? Yeah, there's different kinds. There's we have.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: You know, we have a hundred different Do you want stuff?
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: What do you want to express? The dark stuff? The
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: dark stuff? You want dark roast? You want to dark thick?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, like, okay, I send you
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: a I'll send you a house, Blend, send you a
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: breakfast Blend, send you a French roast, you know, French roast.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: That'll do it. So yeah, if you send me a couple,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I'll get to use a couple, but I want to
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: save one and put it on my shelf. So yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: so good good, alright, alright, great talking to you, Ted,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and uh best everyone back there, and well you know what,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling, uh, you're going to be back
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: on pretty soon. Yeah, yeah, if you want to. Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I want to reoccurringly, potentially reoccurring. Oh my god, that's
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: music to my years. No, um um okay, I uh yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, please please please. This has been
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: one of the most surreal experiences of my life. I'm
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: in my son's bedroom, you know, with a little notes
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: stuck over this screen about Gilmore Girls to try and
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: remember to say something, and talking to Scott Patterson. I'm like,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? Is so surreal
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and you're laughing at my jokes too. It's like he
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: looked like my brother when you're laughing like my brother. Yeah, alright, alright,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: we gotta thank you, we gotta go. Thank you so
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: much for your time. Ted All the best. Stay safe,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk so all right, buddy, what a doll.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's the sweetest ever. Oh my god,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: what a nice guy. Wow. And he really jumped on
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: board your manipulation. Oh it did. He wasn't even prompting,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: he didn't even hear us say it. And then he
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: said it. I still love Max. I love Max. She's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: getting destroyed. Alright, gang, that was that was too much fun.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: We gotta recover here. You could take a little break.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back with the podcast after these messages. Yet, everybody,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: we're back. I'm Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: That was none other than Ted Rooney, all six ft
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: six of him from tall tall, A tall drink of water?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Is he? And uh, what a great guest. Oh my goodness.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: He was hilarious. What a sweet man, right, I mean,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: what a complete doll. Exactly how you'd think more would
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: be perfect. More is so sweet. And that's Ted man
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: speaking of not so sweet. You really kind of a
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: feuding with Suki in this episode. You've guys got some tension.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: There's well, you know, we're we're two master chefs, if
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you will, you know, vying for the same turf he
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: screened her at the counter. That kind of shoved each other,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: although I did think it was gentlemanly of you that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you let her go in aheash at the week a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: little there was a little we got. We we tried
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to go into the door with Mori and Babette's house
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: door with small doorway the same time we got stuck.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: It was a funny bit. Nobody didn't push anybody. She
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: didn't push me. Chevy shove shove shoving, nobody shoving, no one, Lady.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't shove her. She wouldn't shove me. I just
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: tried to get ahead of her. That's why I said,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you know what you got in there, Luca, I'm just bricks.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: And I tried to rump the stairs by her. I
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't shoving, I was. I was going trying to. I
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: was attempting to pass her to get into Squish Squish
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the full player for how where everything should go? And
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you're just like, how had it? The brilliance of that
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: scene stuck in the door where it was a camera
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: angle wasn't anything we did. We were the camera angle
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: was looking up at us, and it made it that
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: much funnier um, and it made the door seemed that
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: much smaller it was. I laughed out loud on that
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: that that that was fun to watch. And then she
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: made a little she made a little move. She faked
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: me out when in first and I just stood there.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I thought you were gentlemanly about it, like ladies first,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, we were going to talk
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: about Rory and Dean and Max and lor La. And
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: did you notice that Dean on the bus said goodbye
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: lor Lye Gilmore and Max said the same line parallel,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: both manipulators, both um trying to guilt them into a date.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: You know, probably Dean is Max Medine is illigion him
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a kid from another mother from seventeen years ago, you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, from another state where he pulled
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the same garbage and got fired, had to leave the state.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And that's gonna be like in the part two of
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the Revival Servers one. You know, boys that are a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: little bit shy, dipping their toe in the water, but
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: trying to work their game. But I said, listen, I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: think Dean was genuinely put off. I think he genuinely
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: sort of laid down his sword and said Wow, I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: don't really want I don't want to bother you, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: because she really she did was not terribly friendly to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: him on the bus. I mean she was kind of uh,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I mean she was so overwhelmed by it, you know
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: that she reacted in a way that could be interpreted
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: by a sensitive young boy, as Dean was as being like,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not interesting it away from me, you know, they
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the bus, I know you, we're just going all the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: way to Hartford. You gotta get off. Bus driver, stop
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the bus. You know. She's just shy and awkward, shine awkward.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: That's all right. I don't know how to handle it
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: from that, another tall drink of water. The legitimate son
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: of Max Medina that we're gonna find out, we're gonna
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: find we're gonna peel that layer back and we're gonna
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: be shocked. It's gonna be shocking. Um. But no, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: think he I think he was being very earnest, uh.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he was being manipulative. It was
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: it was just something in his DNA from his father,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Max Medina. But but I think Max was I think
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he was being manipulative. Well, it was shocking to me
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: that Ted a k a MORI used the word manipulative
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and he did not hear us before. He didn't, So
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that was that's two dudes. Now that thought Max was manipulated,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: where I think he's charming and just has a lot
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: of times I would be dude one. I'm dude one
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: and you're dude One's actually he's dude one. I'm dude too.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, no, that's that's I just think Max really
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: likes lore Lie and is going for it. He's very bold.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: He is super bold because he literally said I think
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: we should date. It was like, not like I think
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: we should hang out or go on a date, it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: was I think we should date. And I was like, WHOA,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: how much do you have to think of yourself? I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: mean you must think that you're pretty hot stuff to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: disregard your career, your code of unwritten code of ethics,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: your students future, uh, and the relation. But I mean
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: that could fracture the relationship between mother daughter. He didn't care.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: He just wanted to rub, rub, rub thumb and then
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: he wanted to rub other things and rubb and that's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: all he was thinking about. Okay, totally unfit to be
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: in an authority figure. You know what I mean, he was.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: It was totally unfit. The only part I did think
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: was a little weird was when, because I love Max,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I'm all Max from Team Max right now, was when
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: he said I know how to be discreet. That that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of a But it's like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: that that's a sign of a professional who's done it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: many times. That's a serial violator of ethics. That was
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: a hint, creepy. I'm hoping he'll come back strong from that,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: which she does, I don't know, I'll say, am I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be triggered further by this character? Oh God, poor Cinnamon.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about poor Cinnamon. Yeah. Well that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: was probably the funniest scene. You know, Sally Struthers is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a comedy genius. She knows how to take a funny
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: line and make it just laugh out loud funny. And
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I knew it, darling when he fell off the couch
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: and shut across the wax floor and ran into the lightning.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: He didn't move after that, you know, I mean, it's like, really,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: how funny is that woman? How she's not? I'm gonna
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: keep saying this until people tell me to shut up.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: That woman deserved Supporting Actress nominations up and down the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: wazoo on all the big awards, and she never received one.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy, crazy, And Rory says, our town is weird,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: and thank god, thank god, right, thank god, Oh my god.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about in the very beginning opening
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: scene the dinner, the Friday night dinner without Richard because
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: he's in Germany. That banter that was hilarious and your
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: cousin and I don't know this cousin. And but it's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: like it's like the contempt between and that's the nuclear fuel, right,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: The contempt between mother and daughter is so palpable. I mean,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: those two just hate each other. I mean, she hates
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: her own mother, such a purple passion. So good though,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then the call at the end
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: of the episode. But I mean no, but but at
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: the end of that dinner scene, you know, Rory laughs
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: at Emily. Yeah, yes, and it's like Emily wins again.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Emily wins again, and Rory was the one saying, don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: tell her you went to Cinnamons. You're gonna hurt her feelings.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Rory's always sort of trying to play both sides because
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: she loves them both. It's Laura rubbing off on Emily
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: with her humor and her jokes. No, that's where Laura
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I got it exactly, That's where she got it from.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: So she took that sort of you know, that very sophisticated,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: very educated, sort of big city mentality and put it
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: into Stars Hollow and this is what you get. You
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: get people running around their own daughters backs, trying to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: mac with the with the Max Medina, that's what you get.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: And you get those any conversations at dinner which are
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: just like, huh, I mean she you know, didn't mock
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Suki because she didn't know what metaphorically meant right when
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: she was at the diner, right, so like showing the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: level here and uh, but they're still great friends. Still
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: loves it, the whole thing. But and then she has
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, she becomes the Suki in the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: in the dinner scene where the mother is like talking
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: right over her head. She doesn't get it. So I'm
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Riley and here's our pop culture references. Rory's at the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: bake sale at Chilton and she asks for home home
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: goods and Roy says it by someone other than Dolly Madison.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Dolly Madison was a you know, a commercial chef, right,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: it's some kind of Dolly Madison products and cakes and correct,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: they definitely eat those. At the Gilmore Household, Laura Lai
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: talks to Lane and says, where does your mom think
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you are? And Lane says on a park bench contemplating
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the reunification of the two care years. There you go
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: North and South Korea. Yeah, you know, I can't really
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: get into politics here, but let's not touch that. And
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Laura says, not here. Skanking to Rancid, Rand said the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: band Ransid the band? Is that a death metal their
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: death metal? Yeah, punk rock band, Max says, very Henry
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: the Eighth Laura's Laurel I says, we're not into subtle.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I need to research Henry that he history lesson on
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that Luton not a subtle person, overweight, overeater. I have it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: But it was also Shakespeare play and in the blay
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a cannon shot employed for special effects and ignited the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: whole theater. Oh so, not not here for subtle the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Globe theater. It's get about the Globe theater. WHOA. Rory's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: talking to Lane and she says Philadelphia, and Lane says,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: and night Shamala lives there. Wait a minute, that's my hometown.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Were they just in my hometown for no? Did you
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: know a night Shamlon is from your hometown. So there
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of people from my hometown, A lot of people,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of great people. I also think that reference works.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: It was an attitude. It's like, of all the cities
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: in the world you want to live, you choose Philadelphia,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: like see, it's an attitude on the northeast really because
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: they consider Philadelphia to be you know, it's a thing.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: You know this right, it's a thing. Laurel I says,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: life is a funny thing, huh, and Suki says, yeah,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I love that. Jim Carey, Oh yeah, the painter works.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: The painter. He's a painter. Yes, Jim Carey is a painter. Painter,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: also dumb and dumber and also one of the funniest
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: uh the Awards Show appearances ever when he dressed up
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: like the cool the Rocker stoned out rocker and he
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: gets up there to accept an award and get yeah,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Suki says, oh, very serious face. Sean Paul Sarte, father
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: of existentialism, whoa no idea. Correct, Wow, you didn't know
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Sartra all that stuff? All right? Luke says, you don't
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: do yoga on the DOLLI Lama's matt. I got that.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: You don't step on Superman's cape. That's another good one.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: It's a little Jim crow chy for you. Yeah, you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: don't know who that I do? Are you kidding? Jim
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: crow chy Um Loreal I says information that would have
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: come out eventually, like the Iran Contra scandal. And then
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: they mentioned Oliver North. Correct, did you get that, youngster?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: I did not. Yeah, you're not gonna know. That's when
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Reagan was trying to raise money for or fighting communists
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: in Nicaragua, and the Congress wouldn't prove fine. I don't
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: want to think about what they're not teaching you kids,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: and go around and do they did some things? They
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: did things. Girls is really exposing my lack of history
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: knowledge that it's a weakness. I found. You gotta be
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: smart to watch Gilmore Girls, because if you're gonna get
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: all these references, you got to know a lot of stuff.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: And all the movies and the cartoons, just not the history.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: There's two more. Keep going, Loya I says, you can't
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: always control who you're attracted to. You know. I think
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: the whole Angelina Julie Bob Thornton thing really proves that.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: The love that line because even though now we think
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: about Angelina Julie with Pitt, the Billy Bob Thornton era
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: was pretty uh amazing and they were wearing their blood
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: around each other's necks. I think, like, you know, when
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I when she was young, and when she first came out,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I you know, I think everybody had a big crush
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: on her. Um I actually wrote two screenplays for her. Yeah,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I tried to get him through to her people, and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I knew I knew her manager, and I tried to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: slip him a script. But when she the Billy Bob
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: thing happened, I didn't understand it at the time. But then,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: um I met him socially and he's he's actually a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: pretty cool dude guy. He's a really nice guy. Yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: he's an interesting, smart, talented, cool So there's a lot,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: you know. You know, he's a very good writer, he's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a very good actor, he's a very good musician. You know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: he's a multi life in it. So there's yeah, you know,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: and she you know she's an l A girl, right,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: she grew up. She grew up in l A. And
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: that's their free spirited, freewheeling types of gals. Man. Yeah,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: blood wearing, the necklaces, the trends, everything comes from California, right, Okay,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: the last one I have, Laura I mentioned she wants
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: to be part of the Bengals, which I had no idea.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Who that was Manic Monday? What walk like an Egyptian?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I do know that one I didn't know was the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: bank good? And what was interesting is when you made
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the show they were broken up. They have since gotten
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: back together. Yes, Susannah Hoffs was the lead singer and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: they had broken up, but they are back together. I mean,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're like touring right now, but yeah,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: they definitely united and went on tour. Yeah, there's there
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: are opportunities for touring for all those like seventies and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: eighties bands and they're still they can still do it. Yeah, Riley,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: you need to get on your iTunes and listen to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Manic Monday. That's my homework on it. My favorite line
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: was from Emily when she's on the phone Laura line.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: She says, I'm looking up aneurysm in our medical dictionary
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: to see if I just had one. The counter is
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a sacred space, my sacred space. Oh that's my line
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: the cut. Um. You know I had a couple. Uh,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't. I can't get over Michelle. I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: just love I just love him when he when he
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: turns here and says kill me, kill me now, like
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: I love that guy. Um. And then uh, I think,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: really that that competes with there's so many good lines. Jesus,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: oh we forgot let us and a mouse trap let
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: us and then no, but I think Emily at the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: end when she says, oh, what you're going to a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: raccoon's wedding next or something, it's like, you know, you
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: know Emily was going to deliver the goods, you know it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: So so it's the tie long shall we remember cinnamon?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: But you know, look, the up shot here is for me, right,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: because since I'm experiencing this for the first time, the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: upshot for me is, you know, we're talking a lot
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: about this what I consider to be a smarmi uh,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: private school teacher who's acting in inappropriate and unethical ways.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: But the thing that we're not mentioning is um and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: we have we've we've alluded to it a little bit.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: But but how sweet these this mother daughter is too
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: take time away from studying for warry and take time
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: away from her job at the Dragonfly to come over
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: and comfort babette, throw a party and he comes to good,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: throws her a party maker feel good. They're worried about her.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a big deal. The mother doesn't understand.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what Laurela needed to get away from so
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: that she could live a real life and really love
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: people and know what real community was, and know what
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: real love outside of the country club was and outside
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: of you know, a status driven life and out of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff that makes people incredibly nasty, um
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and not inclusive. So she wanted to be in a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: place that was real. And yeah, she might you know,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: have brought with her the d n A and some
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: of the condescension and the the quippy, quippy equippy lines
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: and the you know, looking down her nose at certain people.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: But I think she genuinely loves being there, and she
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: loves the people, and that's how she wants to raise
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: her daughter. That's why I think Sinnamon's wake was so
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: it was so powerful for me because look at this,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to live in a town like that. A
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people do live in towns like that. Where
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: is there somebody's cat dies and it's like it's an
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: event and you want to go comfort that person. And
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: what a beautiful testament to um those characters that they
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: took the time to be there for each other, whether
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: there's little conflicts here and there. I think the Maxi
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: mcdina thing is like, that's an outlier. That is just
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like that's Darth Vader coming in and into a little
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: a little nice little village and he's gonna blow it off.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: It's like, you gotta defend, you gotta defend the good,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the good versus the evil. But um, you know, very
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: very charming episode, I mean, very very touching, and I think,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: uh for me acting wise, uh, Sally Struthers stole the show.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: She moved me so deeply that you could really feel
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the loss and her trying to overcome it and giving
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: that that motherly advice to Laurel I too. You know,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: you know, don't you know, maybe Darth Vader isn't such
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: a bad idea, you know, dating. I apologize to George Lucas. Um,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: but anyway, yeah, that's the takeaway from me. Also, um,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: you know just how sweet Rory is godo. I mean,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: just just such a vulnerable, sweet yet you know kind
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: of she's you know, she's got she's a little bit
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: tough underneath, you know, don't mess with her. And now
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: we are going to get to see everything happened. But
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: she's not gonna lose who she is at her core,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: which is this sweet, trusting girl. Um, in order you know,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: to get to get through life. She's gonna she's maybe
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: the one that's going to stick to her her real
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: small town core values because she doesn't have She's got
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: the the the Emily DNA obviously right, Uh and she
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: has that, but it's not it hasn't corrupted her. Um
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and and it probably won't. But very sweet character. I
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: just I just I really think that that Rory Gilmore
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: is the heart of this show. I don't think it's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: the relationshipship between Lauren and Kelly. I think it's it's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: really just about it's about Rory and her relationship with
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: her mother and she's got to deflect all this crazy
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: stuff happening in her life because these people are so
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: toxic and they're so narcissistic, and sometimes they can be
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: really selfish. On the other hand, because they're human, they
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: can be you know, they have their flaws, but they're
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: also you know, doing that. Everybody's doing the best they
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: can and they're making some mistakes and that's life. So anyway,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm really hooked on the show. I really love
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: this show. I really do. It's it's it's it's toying
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: with my emotion. It's really putting me on a roller coaster.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So buckle up because I think next week is Rory's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: birthday party, and I feel like, whoa, something's big. Yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. It's just such a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: it's such a wow. I mean I almost I was,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: you know, it was midnight. I wanted had to go
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: to bed. I wanted to watch it again. I have
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to force myself to not watch Me Too, Me too, Listen.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I I released a single. You can get it on
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: all the major platforms, Apple, iTunes, Spotify, what have You're
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