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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  When you look at the numbers, it's not even close.
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  The vast majority of Americans want you to prove who you are before you vote in a federal election.
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  It's common sense.
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  You should be a citizen of the United States before you get to vote.
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  But for whatever reason, the Save Act has not passed for nearly two years in the House and Senate of the United States of America.
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  I'm Booker Scott, and this is the truth be told on America Outloud Talk Radio.
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  Let's get into the Save Act, because everybody has been talking about it for eight months.
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  Eight months, it's been strong on social media.
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  People have gone after members of Congress in the House and in the Senate.
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  It passed this week in the House of Representatives barely by one vote.
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  It passed there.
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  And now it moves on to the Senate.
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  It has passed in the House several times.
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  It has never been brought for a vote in the Senate.
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  It would take 60 votes to pass.
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  There's been much conversation about nuking the filibuster, which I think would be the worst decision ever in American political history.
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  I don't want to see it go away.
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  But a lot of people want this SAVE Act.
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  What does the SAVE Act do?
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  Well, it would require people to provide proof of citizenship in person when they register to vote in federal elections.
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  It also adds additional requirement that voters should show uh approved form of photo identification when they go vote.
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  When you layer state laws for getting a driver's license and state laws for elections, most states already require these things.
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  I think there's 36 in total.
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  About 19 states this would affect the Save Act would affect.
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  And in most of those 19 states, it is by far a Democrat blue state.
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  It's two to one in registrations, a ratio of two to one in registration, Democrat to Republican.
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  You're talking about states like California, Illinois, New York, those types of states do not have the requirements that the SAVE Act is going to provide if it passes the Senate.
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  That has been the problem.
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  It passed in 2024 in the House, and it sat there in the Senate.
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  It passed again, and it sat there in the Senate.
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  They found that there were some things missing with mail in voting, and there's some additional requirements in the newest Save Act that was passed that would secure mail and voting.
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  And I think that's a good thing.
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  Had they passed it by nuking the filibuster just two months ago, we would have gotten a bill that was not really good enough.
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  So I'm glad the filibuster was not nuked for a bill, the save act previously.
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  Well, the Republicans have argued the legislation is needed to safeguard elections and prevent non-citizens from voting.
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  Something data shows is very rare, is what they say.
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  I don't know how rare it would be in the future when you have 15 million illegals here in this country.
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  I posed a question on social media yesterday, and it was just a question.
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  Have you ever considered if every illegal was deported, would we still need the Save Act?
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  And a lot of people didn't understand the question.
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  I'm just asking you to consider that thought.
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  Some people responded, Well, yes, of course, because it also cleans up voter roles in states, and that's an important part of it.
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  But I still just pose the question.
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  Would we even be having the discussion had laws not been broken to allow 15 million people into this country?
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  So the solution for this is to add another law and hope that somewhere along the way somebody may start enforcing the laws that are created.
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  18 USC 611.
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  It is a law that is on the books that prevents illegals from voting.
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  If you vote in an election and you are illegal, and I'm talking about federal elections because local state elections, some of those allow illegals to vote.
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  But when it comes to a member of the House, a Senate member, or a presidential election, illegals cannot vote.
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  That's really the only thing that Congress can get involved with because of the elections clause in the Constitution.
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  Election laws are left to the states because of that.
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  But 18 USC 611, it has been, it has been enforced and prosecuted 35 people over the last 21 years.
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  That's the law for uh uh illegals and voting.
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  It's there.
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  It's yeah, you go to prison if you vote in an election and you are an illegal thirty-five times in twenty-one years.
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  That is a law that they made.
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  It's not being enforced.
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  I think we can all agree that more than 35 illegals.
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  I think we all can agree that more than 35 illegals have voted in an election for uh a federal office, whether it be the Senate, the House of Representatives, or the President, in 21 years.
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  But we've only enforced it 35.
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  So I guess the answer to this is another law.
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  The new law is the Save Act.
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  Let me get back on track here with the Save Act.
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  And by the way, I support the Save Act.
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  I think it's a great idea.
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  I hope that it passes.
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  We need it.
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  Let me say that, because some people think that I'm against it.
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  I am not against it.
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  The poll numbers clearly show that Americans want this.
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  It clearly shows that Americans 75-80%, regardless of sex, gender, race, any of those things.
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  People want you to prove who you are before you vote.
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  The Democrats are going to try to hold this up.
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  And in fact, we can't even get John Thune, the leader of the Senate, to agree to bring this for a vote, but it's getting closer.
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  It's getting closer and closer.
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  Senator Mike Lee from Utah, he put this out on Thursday.
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  He says that the number now is up to about 48, maybe 49 U.S.
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  Senators that would vote for the Save Act.
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  You would have to have 50 plus J.D.
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  Vance.
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  There are a few Republican holdouts still.
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  You still have to get to 51.
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  This vote would take 60 unless you nuke the filibuster.
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  And again, I will say it.
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  I am against nuking the filibuster at all costs.
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  But there is a way to do this without nuking the filibuster.
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  And that's what I want to talk about here.
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  Because a lot of people don't understand how the Senate works, and there's a lot of frustration around it.
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  They just want John Thune to bring it for a vote.
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  Well, if he did, and if he did at any time over the last year and a half, or Mitch McConnell before him, it would have failed in the Senate.
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  It wouldn't have been close.
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  But now we are close, as Senator Mike Lee said.
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  We have 48, maybe 49 Republican senators that would support the new Save Act.
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  So how do you do it without nuking the filibuster?
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  What about a talking filibuster?
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  That's the way things used to be done.
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  You used to have to stand up and talk for hours and hours.
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  And that's what they're talking about doing.
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  A talking filibuster is the original and historical way of ending debate in the Senate.
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  The Senate operates on the foundation of unlimited debate, meaning there is no way to prevent senators from debating a bill until they are satisfied with every part of it.
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  And then they put it to a vote.
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  Debate in the Senate only ends when there is unanimous agreement that everyone, every senator, 100 of them, has had his or her say.
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  That's the rules.
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  There are 44 rules in the Senate, and then there's something called precedent.
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  Precedent changes the rules, and I'll get into that in just a few minutes.
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  But because everybody can speak until they've had their say, a senator or group of senators could theoretically hold the floor and talk indefinitely to prevent debate from ending, and moving on to a vote eventually.
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  Well, from 1806 to 1917, the only way to end debate in the Senate was for senators just to shut up.
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  When was the last time you ever saw a senator shut up?
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  That doesn't happen.
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  Well, they use something called cloture.
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  That's a mechanism.
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  You probably have heard that.
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  In 1917, the Senate adopted a new rule that added cloture as two-thirds majority.
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  That was changed in 1975 down to 60, which is where it is now.
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  That's 60 number.
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  And it's important to note that the addition of clotter did not eliminate the traditional or original practice of limitless debate.
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  They never shut up, which could result in a talking filibuster.
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  The ability to filibuster by endlessly talking on the Senate floor is still a part of the Senate rules.
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  It's never been changed.
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  But it
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  Is currently not used because of the cloture mechanism.
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  Clouter can end debate on a matter and move toward a final vote, most notably to overcome that filibuster.
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  Clouter limits debate.
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  It ends it.
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  It just stops it.
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  When a bill or another measure is being considered in the Senate, a senator by tradition and practice, the majority leader or maybe the bill's author.
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  They file a cloture petition, and it must be signed by at least sixteen senators.
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  Once the petition is filed, the Senate cannot vote on the cloture petition until two calendar days have passed.
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  For most bills in the Senate, Clooter requires 60 votes to be invoked.
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  Exceptions include reconciliation bills like the big beautiful bill.
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  That's an that's one of those.
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  Recision is another one, only 51 votes.
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  After cloture is invoked, there are additional 30 hours of debate on the bill, and each senator can speak for up to one hour during uh the time, and and he can add amendments and as long as they are related to that bill.
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  Once all post-cloudure debate time has expired, the final vote on the bill takes place at a simple majority of 51.
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  That is with that cloture.
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  Now you may ask, well, is a talking filibuster the nuclear option?
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  Well, it's not.
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  The talking filibuster is already allowed under the Senate rules, and it has been since 1806.
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  The rule that allows cloture was not added to the Senate rules until 1917.
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  And the modern version of cloture wasn't part of the Senate rules, and as I mentioned, uh it was put into place in 1975.
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  The nuclear option is the Senate deciding to operate in opposition to or contravention of the standing rules of the Senate.
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  This is done by the Senate agreeing to set new precedent by which it operates, and that would be nuking the filibuster.
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  It has happened.
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  Harry Reid and the Democrats did it in 2013.
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  They did it for the purpose of lower federal court judges, and they did it for confirmations for appointments to the cabinet.
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  In 2017, Mitch McConnell, he nuked the filibuster for Supreme Court justices.
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  And now it only takes 51 to have a Supreme Court justice.
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  The result of that would be uh Katanji Jackson Brown is a Supreme Court justice because the Democrats held power when she came before them for confirmation, and it only took 51 to get her in.
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  Now, how does this talking filibuster work and what would happen?
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  Because this is a way the Republicans can pass the Save Act with only 51.
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  The current Senate majority could pass the Save Act without ending filibuster doing this.
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  The majority leader would make the Save Act the pending business before the Senate.
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  He would not file a cloture petition as he normally would.
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  Once the Save Act is pending business of the Senate, debate can begin immediately.
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  However, however, per standing Senate rule, Senators are limited to two speeches per legislative day on the same question during the debate on that bill.
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  A legislative day is not a calendar day.
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  It's not a period beginning when the Senate convenes or ends or adjourns.
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  Legislative days do not align with the calendar.
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  This is something to understand.
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  This could take a while.
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  A single legislative day can last several days, weeks, or even months.
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  In this scenario, the legislative day would last as long as debate continues on the Save Act and through a vote on the bill.
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  So once they start a talking filibuster, that is the day that the bill was introduced, and it does not stop until they shut up.
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  Senators don't shut up.
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  Remember, everyone can have their say.
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  This becomes a weared down session.
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  Can the Democrats continue to talk and talk and talk for days and weeks and months?
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  That would be the debate.
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  That is how this would happen.
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  This means that all 47, 48 Democrat senators in the minority, should they oppose this bill, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania does not.
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  They would have two definite times to speak on the Save Act.
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  And each time period could last several days, weeks, or months, depending on the Senator's stamina.
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  However, the Senator cannot eat, cannot drink other than water in the rules.
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  However, there is precedent that has been set that you can drink milk.
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  That's it.
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  They can't go to the bathroom.
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  They have to stand and continue to talk.
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  And they can do that for as long as they want to.
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  And 47 Democrat members, they can do that.
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  So this could take a while.
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  And throughout this filibuster, senators opposed to the bill would they would try several different tactics to derail the bill.
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  And it includes calling on votes and motions to adjourn, requesting votes on amendments, and conducting a quorum call.
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  And this was an interesting one.
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  This forces all senators to the Senate floor to be counted as present.
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  So if you can imagine at two o'clock in the morning, Corey Booker's up there talking and he calls for a quorum call.
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  That means all the Republicans, they have to be handy.
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  They have to be in the building.
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  They have to come and they have to be present.
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  Republican senators in the majority must stay or or be near the Senate floor to be present as long as this lasts.
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  Ultimately, the talking filibuster on the Save Act would end with either all of the opposing Democrat senators using up their two speeches or one side giving up due to exhaustion.
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  If the Republican majority can outlast the Democrat minority, which could take weeks, by the way, or can exhaust enough Democrat senators to the point of signing a cloture petition to end debate.
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  Well, then that would also take 60 votes, but then you have the other Democrats coming on to help the Republicans.
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  And that's how it all may work, to pass the Save Act in the Senate.
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  This is all up to John Thune and how he does this.
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  If he presents the bill and he doesn't present cloture, this is what's going to happen.
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  It's going to be a long process.
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  Now let's look at what happens when the Save Act passes.
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  Because I believe that you're going to have 19 states lined up to sue.
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  I believe the expectation of a lot of people is this may help in the midterm in 2026, and it will not, because those states will sue under the elections clause that says, well, you know, it's up to the states to determine how elections are run.
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  And it's going to meander through court.
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  Eventually it will end up in the Supreme Court of the United States.
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  Maybe they will have oral arguments in 2027.
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  Maybe they'll come to a decision before the 28 election for the President of the United States.
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  Maybe by 28, but probably by 30.
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  That's what we can expect from the Save Act.
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  Should it pass in the Senate?
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  It's going to take some time to get through the courts.
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  So for people that have an expectation that this Save Act is going to do something to prevent illegals from voting in the upcoming midterm election, it's just not just not the fact.
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  And as I mentioned, when you layer state laws with election laws, most of the states that the Save Act would really help, they are heavily Democrat states.
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  It's two to one.
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  Cleaning up the voter rolls, I think it's important.
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  We don't want dead people voting.
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  We don't want hundreds of people that uh say their addresses in a gas station voting either.
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  Those things have to be cleaned up.
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  The Save Act would do that.
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  Let's keep an eye on it.
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  This is going to be really, really interesting.
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  I I can't wait to watch how John Thune and the Senate do it if they think they have enough votes at 50 to get the help of J.D.
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  Vance to pass the Save Act with 51.
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  What's wrong with being an American first?
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  Oh, you can't say that, can you?
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  I recently came across a post by Laverne Spicer.
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  You may recognize her name.
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  She's a big social media influencer.
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  She's also run for Congress and is running right now in the 24th Congressional District in Miami.
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  She's not affiliated with any party this time.
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  But she is running against Frederica Wilson down in South Florida.
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  I'm gonna play her post for you.
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  Some of it may be offensive to you, but I think her message is very important.
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  We're gonna have a conversation with her in just a minute.
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  But first, here is her social media post.
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  Hi, I'm Laverne Spicer.
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  And I read a post yesterday on X where someone was talking about it's okay to start calling black people niggas.
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  People don't do that.
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  That's just so disrespectful.
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  It's like you walk around and you see a white person, you're gonna call them a cracker.
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  Or if you see a Hispanic person, you're gonna call them a wet bag.
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  Uh and you're gonna go walk up to black people that you don't know and call them a nigger.
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  Oh, I would I really wouldn't advise anybody to do that, not less you really want to get up on the bullshit and tilt.
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  Don't do it.
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  Do not do it.
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  We have come so far as people.
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  I mean, for the first time in history, we have black people that are out here that are representing the GOP, and we are doing positive things in our community to uplift each other.
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  So let's not go as bat was by doing dumb shit like that.
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  That's uncalled for and really unnecessary.
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  Because what you're gonna do, you're gonna drive that wedge in against that vote votive base.
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  So do not do that.
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  Do not do it.
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  You know, we've come so far as people, just don't do that.
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  We got a f country to say.
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  It's no longer whites against black and all that bullshit that used to go down like that.
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  It's no longer that kind of shit.
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  Because we got a whole influx of illegals that are here that are gonna take over this country while we still on the elementary level doing dumb shit.
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  So let's get past the dumb shit and let's get Trump elected.
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  Let's get him in office so we can restore this country back to the way it needs to be.
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  And let and remember, risk let's respect each other, let's respect each other.
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  Don't let people talk y'all into doing dumb shit that's gonna get your that's gonna get a foot stuff straight up your ass.
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  Don't do it.
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  Take it from me, Laverne Spicer.
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  I know my shit.
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  So there you have Laverne Spicer sharing some real feelings on a social media post on X.
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  And we have her now here with us as a guest.
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  Laverne, welcome to the program.
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  Thank you so much for inviting me on.
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  Well, that was quite spirited, but I think it and actually I don't even think.
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  I know that it comes from your heart, and there is a good reason that you did that.
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  Can you can you tell us what what motivated you to make the post?
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  What was it that you saw?
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  What was that social media post that you said, okay, this is ridiculous.
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  We're not gonna have this.
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  Well, someone brought it to my attention that um the Hajj twins had did a um podcast, and they were saying to people it's okay for people to call black people the N-word.
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  Yeah.
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  And um, you know, and when they said it to me, it just didn't set well with me in my spirit.
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  Yeah, it's not okay.
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  Why why is that okay?
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  Why does anybody think that's okay now?
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  It's not okay.
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  And then on top of that, um, someone that I had worked with last year when I was running for Congress.
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  I also saw this person on Facebook.
• 27:38
  Uh not Facebook on X, teaching their baby, uh baby.
• 27:44
  That's about seven seven and eight months.
• 27:47
  How to say the N-word.
• 27:50
  And of all people, I was like, okay, why would she do that?
• 27:55
  You know, why?
• 27:56
  What's the purpose?
• 27:58
  How why would you raise kids and teach them to hate someone based on their color of their skin?
• 28:08
  Yeah.
• 28:08
  So you know, every they just push a great divide these days.
• 28:14
  And I I didn't like it.
• 28:16
  So I said, okay, I got to do something about this.
• 28:20
  Yeah.
• 28:20
  And they are.
• 28:21
  That's what this is all about.
• 28:22
  And I think you made some great points.
• 28:25
  We gotta we have to quit doing what we're doing because we are playing right into their playbook.
• 28:30
  They want us divided, whether it's race and gender, transgender, LGBTQ community.
• 28:36
  They want all these little communities that feel like they are oppressed instead of having us united.
• 28:43
  Because if we are united, they can't stop us, and they know that.
• 28:48
  But we are stopping ourselves because we are allowing ourselves to be divided over stupid things.
• 28:54
  Right, exactly.
• 28:56
  And we all know that the Democratic Party has used the race card for years, especially, you know, with the black community, um, so far as relating to the GOPO, they are racist, all of them are racist, and that's the car that they use because um, they know they're not doing nothing for the black community at all.
• 29:17
  So they use that to try to make up and cover the fact that you know, once you vote for them, and once they're elected, doesn't matter.
• 29:25
  They don't be a bad, they don't help.
• 29:27
  They do nothing, they do absolutely nothing.
• 29:30
  So that's why they use the race car all the time, and they're using that to divide us, and we can't allow that to happen.
• 29:38
  I feel like we've come too far as people, and with everything that's taking place in this country right about now, it's just uh distraction.
• 29:48
  And you bring up the illegal immigrants that have come across the southern border, and uh you're you're bringing attention to the fact that we need to see them maybe not as an enemy but as
• 30:00
  A threat to our way of life and the American way of life, the American dream, and it's affecting all of us, regardless of whether you're Hispanic, you're black or you're white, whatever it is, it is having uh an effect on all of us.
• 30:14
  And I think that was something else that you said too, wasn't it?
• 30:17
  Yes, I did say that because the Biden administration is putting those illegals first.
• 30:22
  I mean, if they're in Chicago, they're giving them 10,000 a month, a place to stay, a car, and all everything else.
• 30:30
  And the same thing with New York, they're giving them $5,000 a month, a place to stay, a car.
• 30:35
  They're helping these people get on their feet while we still have veterans that are homeless, staying in the streets.
• 30:44
  We got the seniors that have worked all of their life and still can't find a place to stay that are staying in the streets.
• 30:52
  You know, we should take care of America to come first.
• 30:57
  The people in this country that have worked and pay their dues into society should be the ones that come first and not these illegals that are just leaving their countries, and then you see them all the time on social media, they get them a place to stay, and they are complaining about it.
• 31:13
  Yeah, they're not happy with that.
• 31:16
  So if they're not happy with that, why come here in the first place to try to oppress us?
• 31:22
  Yeah, go back to where you came from.
• 31:24
  Yeah, yeah.
• 31:24
  Go back to where you came from.
• 31:26
  You already sucking the life out of our subsidies and not our system.
• 31:30
  I mean, the healthcare system and every other system, they getting everything when the people that have worked and paid away can't even get it.
• 31:38
  Yeah, I think you bring up a great.
• 31:48
  And the Biden administration and Bidenomics has made that even harder on especially the people you're talking about.
• 31:54
  When you're talking about low-income or fixed income people, it's killed them.
• 31:58
  It's crushed them.
• 31:59
  And yeah, the middle class is shrinking, but the people that need the most help are hurting the most, aren't they?
• 32:06
  And really, that's what we need to focus our attention on.
• 32:09
  It's it's not the names that we call each other.
• 32:12
  It's not the division that they are trying to put on us.
• 32:16
  It's us coming together to overwhelm the ballot box on November 5th.
• 32:21
  That's that's what it's all about, so that we can get this country back on track.
• 32:24
  And I think you made a brilliant point in your post.
• 32:28
  Oh, thank you so much.
• 32:29
  And that's absolutely true, because you know, the Biden administration has basically destroyed everything that was going well in this country.
• 32:38
  We have gases at an all-time high, uh, food, yeah, food almost like triple up, you know, so people can't even afford to buy food out of the grocery store.
• 32:48
  A lot of people can't afford to eat, don't even know how they're gonna eat while we giving everything to these people that are coming here, just crossing the border.
• 32:57
  So the Biden administration has like just put this country in total turmoil, and that's why it's so important come November that everybody show up to the polls and just don't come by yourself, bring other people with you.
• 33:13
  We all need to make sure that we vote, you know.
• 33:15
  We can't just sit back and say, well, so and Trump is gonna win.
• 33:19
  No, we can't, we can't do that.
• 33:21
  We got to come out and record numbers and make sure that we vote them out.
• 33:27
  That's the only way.
• 33:29
  We know it's no way that 81 million people voted for him.
• 33:32
  How do we get the happening?
• 33:34
  Laverne, how do we get the message out to the people uh that are undecided?
• 33:40
  How to how do we make that message about Donald Trump and not just Donald Trump, but a conservative way of doing things that is better than what we are living in right now?
• 33:50
  How does that message go out to those people to make them come vote and vote for Donald Trump on November 5th?
• 33:57
  Have you given that any thought?
• 33:59
  Well, one thing that I see taking place now is uh, you know, people that were really passive about their thoughts and and and about voting in the first place are really getting involved in politics right about now.
• 34:14
  You know, everybody is watching.
• 34:15
  I don't I don't know who could just sit back and agree with what they see taking place in this country right about now.
• 34:22
  I mean, we got so many issues.
• 34:24
  Look at the trans issue.
• 34:25
  Look at the books that they putting in the library uh for these uh elementary kids uh to read.
• 34:33
  It it it is it's a total disaster.
• 34:36
  I mean, who would even support something like that?
• 34:38
  And uh, let alone the sex change um thing that they're trying to uh put in schools, you know, so far as giving kids the right to make that type of decision when you have to be 18 to buy cigarettes, you gotta be 21 to buy alcohol, but they want to give a kid that's five years old the right to make a gender change uh on their body.
• 35:07
  So we got, you know, we got people trying to take away our rights, our freedom of speech, the second amendment rights.
• 35:14
  We got all types of things that uh are taking place in this country.
• 35:19
  So now it's not the time to just sit back, you know.
• 35:23
  You got we need everybody need to be taking a stand.
• 35:26
  Yeah, yeah.
• 35:27
  Everybody needs to be standing up right about now.
• 35:30
  And you need to get loud too.
• 35:32
  People I think they have been too quiet over the last three or four or five years.
• 35:36
  And maybe they haven't been awake, but or maybe there's been a fear to say anything because they didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.
• 35:43
  Well, it's time to ruffle feathers, I believe, before it's too late.
• 35:46
  And you know, you and I are about the same age, and I have never really in my life seen systemic racism, but that's another thing that the Democrats throw out all the time.
• 35:57
  Systemic racism.
• 35:59
  And I I just don't see evidence of it.
• 36:01
  In fact, I put a post out this week that said there are now 62 members of Congress that are black from the black community.
• 36:09
  That is a record.
• 36:11
  It is, and it's only a record because of black people representing majority white districts.
• 36:18
  If it was a systemic racist country, that would not be the case.
• 36:23
  62 members of Congress are now black.
• 36:27
  That says a lot.
• 36:28
  It doesn't match with the story that the Democrats try to say when it's they say it's systemic racism.
• 36:35
  And I know through my life at 58 years old, it's just not what I saw.
• 36:39
  And we're about the same age, we're both Gen Xers.
• 36:42
  And I don't think you saw that either, did you, Laverne?
• 36:45
  Well, one thing that I did see is uh for the politicians that are black and pushing their race narrative.
• 36:52
  The strangest thing is that all of them are married to white people, Mala Harris, married to a white man.
• 36:58
  Um, the same one, Miss Beetlejuice that was the uh mayor in Chicago, married to a white woman, Beetlejuice, Lightfoot, mayor Lightfoot.
• 37:07
  Yeah, you got it, bingo.
• 37:10
  So all of them, all of them that are pushing that narrative are married to white people.
• 37:16
  Yeah, that's strange.
• 37:19
  You know, doing the same thing, all of them, all of them.
• 37:22
  They say one thing with their mouth, but of course, we that read and we that are on point with everything, we know what is going on out here.
• 37:32
  So we see the handwriting on the wall.
• 37:35
  So they saying one thing, but they're doing another.
• 37:38
  Laverne, do you sense a pendulum is changing?
• 37:41
  Is it swinging back toward the conservative side right now?
• 37:44
  Can you feel that momentum?
• 37:46
  Uh, the momentum is is oh, it's moving.
• 37:49
  It is here, people.
• 37:51
  It is moving, and I can tell you that because the first time I ran for Congress in 2020 as a conservative on my ex-platform.
• 38:01
  Um, people were always in my inbox, calling me all type of names.
• 38:05
  How could you do that?
• 38:06
  How could you lead the Democratic Party?
• 38:09
  You are Sambo and you are this and you are that.
• 38:13
  Now, every platform that I'm on.
• 38:16
  I hear so many people say, Yes, I'm supporting the Republican Party.
• 38:21
  I am a conservative, and these are black people.
• 38:25
  These are black people that I'm seeing expressing themselves that way.
• 38:30
  And that's because so many of us came forward and we said, listen, it's time out for believing the Democrats' lies.
• 38:38
  We have been lied to as people for years.
• 38:41
  You know, it started with that project system with Lyndon B.
• 38:45
  Johnson when they started those projects that destroyed the black community, took the fathers out of the home.
• 38:52
  And then we got a career politician, Joe Biden that's been in office for 47 years, and him and Clinton, they did the one, two, three strikes, you're out.
• 39:03
  Yeah, uh, the crime bill, they helped the incarcerate so many black people, and we could go on and on with this, you know.
• 39:10
  Yeah, so all of this is contributing to the fact that black people are finally waking up because one thing Trump let us know that the news media was reporting so many, so much uh fake news.
• 39:27
  And they were showing us what they wanted us to believe.
• 39:30
  Yeah, they was telling us things the way they wanted us to see it.
• 39:34
  So we had basically been hoodwinked and bamboozled.
• 39:37
  So right about now, people are opening up their eyes, they're doing their due diligence, they're searching for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.
• 39:48
  So hopefully, hopefully they will continue to do so.
• 39:53
  And we, because as a conservative, we all be we believe in God.
• 39:57
  We believe in God, putting God first.
• 39:59
  We believe.
• 40:00
  Families, you know, we'd be gr leaving generational creating generational wealth and everything else.
• 40:07
  So, you know, how can you not want to be a conservative at the end of the day?
• 40:13
  Yeah.
• 40:14
  Laverne, thank you for the conversation.
• 40:16
  It's been wonderful.
• 40:17
  And I think you just said it perfectly.
• 40:20
  And I'm not going to add anything to it because I will ruin what you just said.
• 40:24
  But in your video, you said uh respect, and you spelled it out, R E S P E C T.
• 40:30
  Yeah.
• 40:31
  And there is time for some respect for the American people.
• 40:35
  Not people in boxes, not in that box, this box, all of us together.
• 40:40
  It's time to unite, come together and make a difference in this country.
• 40:45
  And you know, when I when I saw that video, I heard you say that.
• 40:48
  It reminded me of Aretha Franklin's respect.
• 40:52
  So I'm going to go into this commercial break with Aretha Franklin because of you.
• 40:57
  What about that?
• 40:59
  Okay, that's wonderful.
• 41:01
  Thank you, Laverne.
• 41:02
  I appreciate you coming on.
• 41:03
  Thank you.
• 41:04
  Thank you so much for inviting me.
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• 44:04
  I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee.
• 44:06
  I've mentioned that a couple of times.
• 44:08
  When I was a young child, I was in Nashville and in Brentwood, just south of Nashville.
• 44:13
  And my dad, for whatever reason, I still to this day don't know, probably will never find out.
• 44:18
  He's been dead for six years now.
• 44:21
  So I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway.
• 44:25
  Maybe one day, maybe, maybe one day.
• 44:27
  But I never found out why exactly he wanted to farm because he is from Chicago.
• 44:32
  He was from Chicago, Illinois, had no experience on a farm, but that's what we did.
• 44:36
  We bought 11 acres, and it was in a bedroom community called Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
• 44:41
  It's about 25 miles southeast on the way to Chattanooga from Nashville, and that's where I finished growing up.
• 44:48
  Elementary school, middle school, high school, even went to college there.
• 44:52
  Back then it was a university town, Middle Tennessee State University is there.
• 44:56
  It was a sleepy little town, really.
• 44:58
  It was a small community.
• 45:00
  It was a great place to grow up.
• 45:01
  I loved it.
• 45:02
  And I still have a lot of friends there.
• 45:04
  I still follow them on Facebook.
• 45:07
  And I also follow the local radio station.
• 45:09
  And that's where I'm going to go with this segment because of the program that was on Sunday night that caught my attention.
• 45:16
  Have you heard about uh 287G?
• 45:19
  Do you know what that is?
• 45:20
  Section 287G of the U.S.
• 45:22
  Immigration and Nationality Act.
• 45:25
  Well, it authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.
• 45:37
  So in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which is Rutherford County, which by the way, it has grown a lot since I grew up there.
• 45:44
  We moved there in 1976, I believe.
• 45:47
  And it like I said, it was a sleepy little town.
• 45:50
  A nice little country town is what it was.
• 45:53
  Now it's huge.
• 45:54
  It is exploded.
• 45:55
  Nashville has exploded, and so has Murfreesboro and Rutherford County.
• 46:00
  It is now the third largest county in the state of Tennessee.
• 46:03
  You have Memphis, Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County.
• 46:07
  They're one and two, and then you have Rutherford County.
• 46:09
  Murfreesboro is number three, actually larger than Chattanooga and larger than Knoxville, a couple of other big cities there in the state of Tennessee.
• 46:18
  The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fitchw, and he has said that he would never use his deputies to go after illegal immigrants.
• 46:26
  That's what he said.
• 46:27
  But then there was a little change in the last couple of weeks there in Rutherford County in Murfreesboro with this section 287G.
• 46:35
  Sheriff Fitch you has agreed to this 287 G, which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant, and there is a detainer for them by ice that they will hold the illegal immigrant.
• 46:49
  To me, it's a no-brainer.
• 46:51
  It makes perfect sense.
• 46:52
  Why would you not be for that?
• 46:54
  If this were a regular criminal, let's say that it was someone that had committed murder in Montana, would Sheriff Fitch you and his deputies not hold that person for extradition to Montana?
• 47:08
  Of course they would.
• 47:10
  So if you have an illegal immigrant that is a criminal, which at this point, that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and ICE are rounding up.
• 47:19
  They're not rounding up children in schools.
• 47:21
  That's not what they're doing.
• 47:23
  They're not rounding up just illegal immigrants at this point.
• 47:27
  They're rounding up the criminals, the ones that have murdered, the ones that have raped.
• 47:32
  That's who they're trying to get off the street.
• 47:34
  For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want that.
• 47:38
  Just because they're illegal immigrants, for some reason they want to give these people a pass.
• 47:43
  That's what the left is saying.
• 47:45
  And when I went to Facebook and I came across this story, it was a live radio program in my former hometown of Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
• 47:54
  And Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Rutherford County, voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
• 48:01
  It was 6040, 60% Donald Trump, 40% for Kamala Harris.
• 48:06
  Close to it.
• 48:07
  It was a blowout.
• 48:09
  There's no doubt that Rutherford County, Tennessee is a red county.
• 48:13
  It is also Donald Trump County.
• 48:16
  It is a MAGA county.
• 48:17
  That's really what it is.
• 48:19
  So when I came across this story and this show, I was shocked at what I heard.
• 48:25
  I'm going to play some of this for you because I think it's important for us to understand the other perspective and what the other side is saying.
• 48:33
  Because what they are saying is nothing like I'm saying.
• 48:36
  I say this all the time about illegal immigrants.
• 48:39
  It's time for them to go.
• 48:41
  We need to get these criminals out of here.
• 48:43
  And it needs to be done now.
• 48:46
  So when people start talking the way these guys did, and what really what they're doing is calling Sheriff FitzU onto the carpet for making an agreement with the Homeland Security in this 287 G.
• 48:59
  They don't want their deputies to hold criminal illegal aliens in their jail.
• 49:05
  But I was shocked at what I heard on this local small radio station in Murfreesboro, Tennessee from Ed Raymer is the guy's name who does the show on Sunday night.
• 49:17
  Along with him was the Democrat National Committee chairman for Rutherford County.
• 49:22
  His name is Matt Fee.
• 49:25
  And here he is talking about what happened two weeks ago when Fitchw said, we're not going to do this.
• 49:31
  We're not going to have our deputies going after illegal immigrants.
• 49:35
  And then the activism that they created to get people to show up to a council meeting, county government meeting to try to make their voices heard so that the sheriff would not do this agreement.
• 49:49
  Here is the DNC chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee.
• 49:53
  His name is Matt Fee.
• 49:55
  I think I noticed a social media post from someone that said, hey, Rutherford.
• 50:00
  Rutherford County is now pending a 287G agreement with ICE.
• 50:05
  Right.
• 50:05
  Um, so just so everybody knows a 287G is basically like uh it it gives local police uh ability to do uh work for ice in you know, either as themselves or in the jail or whatever.
• 50:24
  Um you know, so having noticed that, you know, that was the first time it had come up.
• 50:30
  I don't know how long it had been pending, but basically you can go to ICE's website and you can see all of the you know law enforcement agencies that are pending any kind of agreement with ICE or all the ones that are actually active.
• 50:43
  And it was nose.
• 50:44
  Excuse me.
• 50:45
  You know, Rutherford County is now showing pending for a warrant service officer.
• 50:49
  Okay.
• 50:50
  Um so I mentioned, hey, you know, if you want to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting coming up on Monday.
• 50:58
  You know, let's go there and say you want to talk about the sheriff's report.
• 51:02
  Sure.
• 51:03
  And so that's how we got there.
• 51:05
  Um, there was multiple groups involved, um, especially uh remix remix TN, they're like an immigrant um you know, the advocacy.
• 51:16
  Um, and they did a lot of work with coordinating and getting people to sign up for public comment at that meeting.
• 51:23
  So they go to the public meeting and they make comments.
• 51:26
  Everybody that spoke was against this two eighty-seven G.
• 51:30
  If you go to ICE.gov slash identify and arrest.
• 51:36
  If you go to that website, you will see every state and county and city that is involved with ICE and the 287G agreement.
• 51:46
  I can tell you this.
• 51:48
  I'm looking at the map now.
• 51:49
  California, Oregon, Washington, and Illinois.
• 51:54
  Those are four states that have no agreement with ICE.
• 51:58
  That is not surprising.
• 51:59
  You also have a little bit of Delaware, a little bit of Vermont, the entire state of Connecticut, the entire state of New Jersey.
• 52:07
  All of those states have no agreement with ICE, which means these illegal immigrants that are committing crimes and have committed crimes where they came from, are running free in these states, and these states are doing nothing to help Donald Trump and ICE get these people out of here.
• 52:24
  But I want to go back to the radio show on 1450 WGNS in Murfreesboro.
• 52:29
  Listen to the comments now from Ed Raymer as they continue the conversation.
• 52:35
  Here's here's the rub.
• 52:37
  At the public safety meeting, as we mentioned, everyone, though those that spoke all against this.
• 52:43
  Now, what we're talking about with ICE, we're talking about the guys that are coming in with the mask.
• 52:47
  And they don't have to have they don't have to have a reason to my knowledge.
• 52:51
  They can come in and just pick you up and take you off and I guess do what they want.
• 52:57
  Okay, that's a lie.
• 52:58
  That's not true, and I don't even know why Ed Raymer on this radio show is saying that.
• 53:03
  He doesn't know what he's talking about, and he probably shouldn't be talking about it.
• 53:07
  Both of these guys are leftists, they're Democrats, again, in a city and a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
• 53:17
  The things that he says are important to understand from the perspective of the left and what they are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his administration is doing.
• 53:28
  You hear him say that these ICE people are wearing the masks.
• 53:32
  You know, it's obvious that they watch MSNBC because that's the narrative that they are teaching people over there.
• 53:39
  Well, they're wearing masks.
• 53:40
  I've covered it on the show before, so that they are not killed.
• 53:44
  It's for their protection, is what it's for.
• 53:47
  Let's go back to Ed Raymer.
• 53:48
  He is the host of the show.
• 53:50
  Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more.
• 53:52
  Trump has given them where to do this.
• 53:55
  Somebody they're going to fool around, someone's gonna get hurt.
• 53:57
  Yeah.
• 53:57
  Okay.
• 53:58
  Um basically we don't know who these people are.
• 54:03
  Right.
• 54:04
  We're to my knowledge, they're a bunch of thugs.
• 54:06
  He's talking about ice there.
• 54:08
  We don't know who these people are.
• 54:10
  Well, let me tell you who they are, Ed Raymer and WGNS.
• 54:15
  They are federal law enforcement officers.
• 54:19
  They have gone through training, they have gone through background checks, they are wearing masks so that other people don't try to hurt them because leftist liberal, stupid democrats in some of these cities have tried to hurt them.
• 54:32
  They have doxxed them.
• 54:34
  Politicians have doxxed them.
• 54:36
  So why wouldn't they wear a mask?
• 54:38
  They are not thugs, they are federal law enforcement officials, and what you're talking about, Ed Raymer and WGNS is dangerous.
• 54:48
  You are dangerous, not Donald Trump and not ICE.
• 54:52
  So here so here's the thing, right?
• 54:53
  And we were talking about this a little bit earlier before we came on the air.
• 54:58
  And listen how much Matt Fee uses the word right.
• 55:02
  I talked about it last week about a linguistic tie-down.
• 55:05
  When someone isn't confident in what they're saying, or they're trying to sell you something, they will use right in a rhetorical way.
• 55:13
  This guy has a real problem with it.
• 55:15
  He can't say two sentences without saying right, which is a tie-down to further the conversation on something that you don't know what you're really talking about, and you're just trying to sell something to someone.
• 55:26
  Here he goes.
• 55:34
  To my knowledge, what that means is that if someone is brought into the Rutherford County jail and ICE has a civil warrant against that person, then Rutherford County Sheriff's deputies can serve that warrant on that person in the jail.
• 55:50
  Right.
• 55:51
  Whereas before, ICE would have to come and do that themselves.
• 55:54
  Okay.
• 55:55
  Okay.
• 55:55
  So even though it may be let's call it the least of the bad options in these two eighty-seven G agreements with ICE.
• 56:04
  To me, the fact of the matter is that Rutherford County is entering into an agreement with ICE.
• 56:10
  I don't care what model it is.
• 56:13
  I don't care that you're, you know, whether it's the one that sends deputies out into the community to do, you know, task force work.
• 56:21
  Right.
• 56:22
  I don't want that one.
• 56:23
  I don't want them doing anything on ICE behalf.
• 56:26
  Why not?
• 56:26
  Why wouldn't you want your local police officials working with ICE to get those criminals out of your community?
• 56:34
  It makes no sense.
• 56:35
  We see that Minnesota now is working with ICE.
• 56:38
  Tom Holman mentioned Thursday that they are bringing ICE out.
• 56:42
  The surge is over in Minneapolis.
• 56:45
  They have surged in Los Angeles, in Memphis, in Washington, D.C., Portland, Oregon, and where they have crime has come down.
• 56:53
  2025 was the lowest crime year in American history.
• 56:58
  It's working.
• 56:59
  So why not work with them?
• 57:01
  I don't understand it.
• 57:02
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