Latest / DISGRACELAND / Bonus Episode: Turnstile and Why Hardcore Music is Now Pop Music plus Our Greatest Live Music Childhood Memories
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
- 0:05Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
- 0:08Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
- 0:12Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
- 0:30Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
- 0:32Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
- 0:35Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
- 0:36Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
- 0:39Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
- 0:42Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
- 0:44Speaker 1: we are discussing Turnstiles, Grammy Wins, and why hardcore music
- 0:48Speaker 1: is now pop music, Jane's addiction, and our greatest live
- 0:52Speaker 1: music experiences as kids, long suffering New England Patriots fans
- 0:55Speaker 1: finally get to experience the postseason and we get into
- 0:58Speaker 1: your emails, comments, and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
- 1:03Speaker 1: This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders
- 1:05Speaker 1: of the independent thinkers who know that the best history
- 1:07Speaker 1: is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where
- 1:10Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind
- 1:12Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All right discos. Let's
- 1:15Speaker 1: get into it all right, here's something interesting. Turnstile is
- 1:32Speaker 1: the first hardcore band to win a Grammy award. The
- 1:36Speaker 1: Baltimore quintet now two Grammys, one each in the Best
- 1:40Speaker 1: Rock Album and Best Metal Performance categories. You guys know
- 1:44Speaker 1: I'm a Turnstyle fan. You know I've been paying attention
- 1:46Speaker 1: to this. I've been following along. I come from the
- 1:48Speaker 1: hardcore scene, so this is of particular interest to me. Again,
- 1:52Speaker 1: Turnstyle two Grammys, one for Best Rock Album and another
- 1:56Speaker 1: for Best Metal Performance. Make no mistake about it. Turnstile
- 2:00Speaker 1: is a hardcore band. In the Best Rock Album category Turnstile,
- 2:05Speaker 1: Beat Out, New Metal Journeyman, Lincoln Park, Perpetual Hollywood Scene,
- 2:09Speaker 1: Darling's Time, Crossover Vets, Deftones, and Rock's Latest Hope Young Blood,
- 2:14Speaker 1: And in the Best Performance category Turnstiles, Song Birds, one Over,
- 2:18Speaker 1: Masked metal Heads, Sleep Token, Canadian progressive metal heads Spirit Box,
- 2:23Speaker 1: and two theater rock groups Ghost and Dream Theater. Now
- 2:27Speaker 1: Make no mistake. Turnstyle is neither a rock band or
- 2:29Speaker 1: a metal band. In the group's acceptance speech, frontman Brandon
- 2:34Speaker 1: Yeates said that the community we found through punk in
- 2:38Speaker 1: hardcore music has given us a safe place to swing
- 2:41Speaker 1: in the dark and land somewhere beautiful. Community. That word,
- 2:46Speaker 1: in particular, community is what separates the hardcore scene from
- 2:51Speaker 1: the metal scene, from the rock scene, even from the
- 2:54Speaker 1: punk scene. Even though Yates categorized the scene that Turnstile
- 2:58Speaker 1: came from as being punk and hardcore, He's from the
- 3:00Speaker 1: hardcore scene, trust me. And the hardcore scene is different,
- 3:05Speaker 1: much different. It's built on a different set of values. Now,
- 3:09Speaker 1: long before these concepts became mainstream, the hardcore scene embraced
- 3:14Speaker 1: the concepts of inclusiveness, of do it yourself, grit, and independence.
- 3:18Speaker 1: Decades before these ideas were embraced and promoted by other
- 3:23Speaker 1: music subcultures. The hardcore scene, the Turnstiles Brendan Yates is
- 3:27Speaker 1: talking about cultivated and open mindedness that still champions esoteric
- 3:31Speaker 1: lifestyles and religions, everything from straight edge to vegetarianism and veganism,
- 3:36Speaker 1: Harry Krishna, even rastafarianism. Other music scenes, particularly metal and rock,
- 3:42Speaker 1: openly mocked and ridiculed the hardcore scene for its openness. Now,
- 3:47Speaker 1: Turnstiles Brendan Yates took the stage at the sixty eighth
- 3:50Speaker 1: Grammy Awards the other night, and again he said, the
- 3:53Speaker 1: community we found through punk in hardcore again, that's the
- 3:57Speaker 1: key word community. The hardcore community is completely different than
- 4:01Speaker 1: other musical communities. It's hard to explain unless you've lived
- 4:06Speaker 1: in it, as I have. In a lot of ways,
- 4:08Speaker 1: it's like being part of a club, a club of outsiders,
- 4:13Speaker 1: and that's what drew me and many others to the
- 4:15Speaker 1: hardcore scene to begin with. And once you've been accepted
- 4:19Speaker 1: into this club, you never really leave in that way.
- 4:22Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of like the Mafia or the
- 4:24Speaker 1: CIA when you're traveling. I'm joking, but when you're traveling
- 4:27Speaker 1: in all seriousness, when you're traveling, you're traveling abroad. It's
- 4:30Speaker 1: happening me so many times. You're traveling abroad, you're somewhere else,
- 4:33Speaker 1: far from home. You're walking down a foreign street. Perhaps
- 4:37Speaker 1: you pass a dude wearing a Gorilla Biscuits T shirt
- 4:39Speaker 1: or a Baine hoodie or yeah, maybe some turnstile swag.
- 4:43Speaker 1: You don't necessarily stop and talk to that dude, but
- 4:45Speaker 1: for sure the both of you exchange knowing nods. Now,
- 4:50Speaker 1: you and the girl wearing the Joy Division T shirt,
- 4:52Speaker 1: you're not necessarily going to do that, nor would you
- 4:55Speaker 1: with the guy wearing the Matleykousher. It's different, it's a
- 4:59Speaker 1: different experience, it's different lived in experience being in the
- 5:02Speaker 1: hardcore scene. So Turnstile, though they won in both the
- 5:06Speaker 1: rock and metal categories, is the first hardcore band to
- 5:10Speaker 1: win a Grammy Award. This is never done before.
- 5:14Speaker 2: Now.
- 5:14Speaker 1: The interesting thing here is, even though Turnstile is a
- 5:18Speaker 1: hardcore band, what I want to ask is, this is
- 5:22Speaker 1: the music from their latest album, Never Enough hardcore music?
- 5:28Speaker 1: And the answer is no, it's not. It's something more,
- 5:32Speaker 1: it's something different. The music on Never Enough transcends hardcore music.
- 5:37Speaker 1: It of course has trademark hardcore elements, mash parts, big
- 5:42Speaker 1: chug a chugger, riffs, sing along choruses, breakdowns, but it
- 5:45Speaker 1: also includes elements that no hardcore band has ever included
- 5:49Speaker 1: and succeeded with, namely, synth parts that are not just atmospheric,
- 5:55Speaker 1: they're singular. I heard that record, I was like, God,
- 5:58Speaker 1: they're making like Smith's guitar riffs with synthesizers. Okay, these
- 6:05Speaker 1: elements they add this originality that I think I believe anyways,
- 6:10Speaker 1: is gonna long be imitated by other bands, not just
- 6:13Speaker 1: hardcore bands. And in a way we'll contribute in no
- 6:17Speaker 1: small manner to the future of not just heavy music,
- 6:20Speaker 1: not just hardcore music, but to the future of pop music.
- 6:23Speaker 1: Now hear me out. Like Metallica and Nirvana before them,
- 6:27Speaker 1: Turnstile created a new sound that transcended the niche scene
- 6:31Speaker 1: that first embraced them. After Metallica released the Black Album,
- 6:35Speaker 1: they no longer sounded like a metal band. They no
- 6:38Speaker 1: longer sounded like anything but Metallica in a new version
- 6:42Speaker 1: of Metallica, not like the Metallica from the album's previous
- 6:46Speaker 1: not like Injustice for All, not like Master of Puppets,
- 6:48Speaker 1: not like Ride. The Lightning Black album sounded like Metallica
- 6:53Speaker 1: in that moment, something different. Same for Nirvana, nothing was
- 6:56Speaker 1: the same after Nevermind. The band on that album didn't
- 7:00Speaker 1: sound like an alternative band. They didn't sound like a
- 7:03Speaker 1: Seattle band. They didn't sound like a college band or
- 7:05Speaker 1: even a grunge band, whatever that was. They sounded like Nirvana.
- 7:09Speaker 1: Nirvana after Nevermind no longer sounds like the Melvins or
- 7:13Speaker 1: mud Honey, as they kind of do on Bleach. I mean, yeah,
- 7:16Speaker 1: they're their own thing on Bleach, but you put Bleach
- 7:19Speaker 1: up without never Mind, right, in nineteen eighty nine, or
- 7:22Speaker 1: whenever Bleach comes out, Yeah, nineteen eighty nine. I think
- 7:25Speaker 1: you put that album up there next to a Melvin's
- 7:29Speaker 1: record from the era or a mud Honey record from
- 7:31Speaker 1: the era, and they're all in conversation with each other.
- 7:33Speaker 1: They all speak sonically to one another. They sound similar,
- 7:37Speaker 1: same thing with Metallica previous to the Black album, Okay
- 7:41Speaker 1: and Justice for All, with Slayers, Rain and Blood, or
- 7:44Speaker 1: with a Megadeth or Anthrax record, they're all kind of
- 7:46Speaker 1: in conversation together, right, All those the big thrash bands,
- 7:50Speaker 1: they're all kind of they're all kind of there. They're
- 7:52Speaker 1: all kind of on the track, neck and neck, nose
- 7:55Speaker 1: to nose. What happens when the Black album comes out?
- 7:59Speaker 1: Metallica can no longer be compared to Slayer or Megadeth
- 8:02Speaker 1: or Anthrax. Both Metallica and Nirvana evolved into something beyond
- 8:09Speaker 1: their respective thrash and grunge scenes and into a new
- 8:13Speaker 1: kind of popular music because those albums not only did
- 8:18Speaker 1: they sound different, they had a commercial breakthrough. They had
- 8:22Speaker 1: a commercial impact. They impacted popular culture in the way
- 8:26Speaker 1: that their records previously did not, and they impacted popular
- 8:29Speaker 1: culture with a new evolution of the band's sound that
- 8:33Speaker 1: turned them into something new, something different, something that had
- 8:37Speaker 1: never been heard before, something known as pop music, a
- 8:41Speaker 1: new kind of pop music. And what happens when a
- 8:44Speaker 1: band becomes pop their influence grows exponentially. After Nevermind by
- 8:50Speaker 1: Nirvana and after The Black Album by Metallica, new crops
- 8:53Speaker 1: of musicians took to their instruments inspired by Nirvana and
- 8:57Speaker 1: Metallica without being inspired by other grunge or thrash bands. Now,
- 9:02Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a good thing necessary, I'm just
- 9:05Speaker 1: saying that it's a thing. Trust me, In nineteen ninety
- 9:09Speaker 1: one nineteen ninety two, when those records were out there,
- 9:12Speaker 1: there were kids buying guitars learning Nirvana songs who had
- 9:16Speaker 1: never heard mud Honey, had never heard the Melvins before.
- 9:20Speaker 1: Same goes for Metallica, kids learning Metallica songs who had
- 9:23Speaker 1: no idea who Megadeth was. And again, I'm not saying
- 9:26Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I'm just saying that it's a thing,
- 9:29Speaker 1: and that the hardcore sound through Turnstyle alone, will now
- 9:35Speaker 1: be singed into the future of pop music. Because, put simply,
- 9:39Speaker 1: Turnstyle has become something other than a hardcore band. They've
- 9:43Speaker 1: become Turnstyle and now they have two Grammy Awards to
- 9:48Speaker 1: prove it. Turnstyle. Love them, hate them, never heard of them,
- 9:54Speaker 1: kind of interested in them. Whatever. You can no longer
- 9:57Speaker 1: escape the fact that they are more consequential today than
- 10:01Speaker 1: they were a week ago, and I kind of love it.
- 10:05Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. I did not see this coming,
- 10:08Speaker 1: and I'm kind of stoked about it. Anyways, speaking of
- 10:12Speaker 1: influence and consequence, this week's new episode on one of
- 10:16Speaker 1: the most consequential bands in the nineteen nineties, Jane's Addiction,
- 10:19Speaker 1: is currently available for you to listen to. This is
- 10:21Speaker 1: part two of the Jains Addiction story. We dropped episode
- 10:25Speaker 1: one in the feed for you guys. Give you a
- 10:27Speaker 1: refresh before diving into the continuation of the Jaine saga.
- 10:30Speaker 1: Jane says she's done with Sergio. He treats me like
- 10:33Speaker 1: a rag doll. I love that line. I love this band.
- 10:35Speaker 1: Jane's Addiction blew my mind when I first heard them.
- 10:39Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to see him in a smallish
- 10:41Speaker 1: venue when I was in high school, an auditorium in Fitchburg, Massachusetts,
- 10:45Speaker 1: and they were fucking incredible, incredible, probably the greatest live
- 10:51Speaker 1: band i'd seen up until that point, until I saw
- 10:54Speaker 1: Fugazi a couple of years later in the same venue,
- 10:56Speaker 1: mind you, in Fitchburg Wallas Civic Center. And then again
- 11:00Speaker 1: and I saw Fugazi and Clinton Mass My band got
- 11:03Speaker 1: to open up for them. Take that turnstyle. I'm kidding. Anyways,
- 11:06Speaker 1: Zeth and I are going to be talking about our
- 11:08Speaker 1: favorite live music experiences as kids from in the exclusive
- 11:13Speaker 1: section of this some after party. Some some real nineties
- 11:16Speaker 1: early aughts live music stories, huge bands we've seen in
- 11:19Speaker 1: small clubs, bizarre experiences with rock stars on the corners
- 11:22Speaker 1: of the street, all kinds of stuff, all in the
- 11:25Speaker 1: exclusive all access section of this after party. Go to
- 11:28Speaker 1: Disgrace sampod dot com to sign up. And as I'm
- 11:30Speaker 1: saying this, maybe we'll make this a two part all
- 11:33Speaker 1: access section because I think it'd be cool to hear
- 11:35Speaker 1: your wildest live music experiences from childhood as well. Now
- 11:40Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this out loud as I say it.
- 11:42Speaker 1: Maybe what we'll do is have you guys call in
- 11:45Speaker 1: or tex six one seven nine oh six, six six
- 11:47Speaker 1: three eight call us this week, give us your stories
- 11:50Speaker 1: about your most memorable live music experiences, and we'll play
- 11:53Speaker 1: them in next week's all access section of the After Party.
- 11:57Speaker 1: As we continue this conversation so again, check out today's
- 12:01Speaker 1: convo me and Zeth talking wild live music experiences as
- 12:04Speaker 1: kids them. Call six one seven nine oh six six
- 12:07Speaker 1: six three eight, leave a voicemail, send a text, give
- 12:10Speaker 1: us your wild live music experiences as children, children of
- 12:14Speaker 1: the nineties, children of whenever. You don't have to have
- 12:16Speaker 1: been coming up in the nineties. They don't know. These
- 12:18Speaker 1: don't have to be nineties experiences, and you can hear
- 12:21Speaker 1: your answers in the all access section of next week's
- 12:24Speaker 1: after Party. We'll keep this convo going all right after
- 12:26Speaker 1: Jane's Part two this week, and after this bonus episode
- 12:29Speaker 1: in our feed, we've got Beatles Part one and Part two,
- 12:32Speaker 1: speaking of consequential artists. You can't get more consequential than
- 12:35Speaker 1: the Beatles. And then next week we've got our new,
- 12:38Speaker 1: long awaited, long requested episode on me as a Pada
- 12:42Speaker 1: of the Gits. Miaz A Pada, of course, was murdered
- 12:46Speaker 1: and died way too young, prompting next week's question of
- 12:50Speaker 1: the week, Which musicians do you love that died before
- 12:53Speaker 1: they got their due? Be thinking of this when you're
- 12:56Speaker 1: listening to the miyaz A Poda episode and then again,
- 12:58Speaker 1: give me a call six one seven nine oh six
- 13:00Speaker 1: six six three eight and let me know. The phone
- 13:02Speaker 1: lines are open, as they say, let me know which
- 13:04Speaker 1: musicians that you love who died before they got their
- 13:07Speaker 1: due six one seven nine oh six six six three
- 13:10Speaker 1: eight voicemail and text. I'll be back after this with
- 13:12Speaker 1: your answers to last week's question of the week. All right, guys,
- 13:31Speaker 1: we're back, and I wanted to just point something out
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- 13:35Speaker 1: this lot of you might not. We've got a new podcast.
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- 14:27Speaker 1: Should be played loud. I love I think that my
- 14:30Speaker 1: two favorite things in the world are my favorite thing
- 14:32Speaker 1: in the world besides my kids and my family. And
- 14:35Speaker 1: you know, the big sort of tent pole stuff is
- 14:39Speaker 1: when you're watching a great movie and this incredible song
- 14:42Speaker 1: comes on and it just it changes everything. It changes
- 14:45Speaker 1: the film, It changes the story, it changes the emotional
- 14:48Speaker 1: connection you're having to the characters, and it even changes
- 14:52Speaker 1: the way you think about that music when you see
- 14:54Speaker 1: it in the context with the movie. And that can
- 14:56Speaker 1: come from a Neil drop, something on the soundtrack, it
- 15:00Speaker 1: can be scoring, whatever it is. The combination of music
- 15:04Speaker 1: and images on screen just unbelievable. I love it. That's
- 15:09Speaker 1: at the heart of this film. Should be played loud.
- 15:11Speaker 1: We've done two episodes so far. We did an episode.
- 15:14Speaker 1: Our first episode is on Goodfellas. Our second episode is
- 15:18Speaker 1: on train Spotting. The next episode, I believe we're going
- 15:22Speaker 1: to cover Marty Supreme, the new film, the new Timothy
- 15:25Speaker 1: shallow May movie that's out there right now. It's gonna
- 15:27Speaker 1: be Episode three of this film should be played loud.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Train Spotting, like I said, is the most recent one. Matt,
- 15:34Speaker 1: why don't you play the folks here? A little taste
- 15:37Speaker 1: of this film should be played loud.
- 15:40Speaker 2: The opening scene of this movie is it's the two Ewins.
- 15:42Speaker 2: It's Ewan McGregor and you and Bremner. They're halling ass
- 15:45Speaker 2: down the street with a cop and a store clerk
- 15:47Speaker 2: in a hot pursuit behind them, and Iggy Pop's Lust
- 15:49Speaker 2: for Life is playing, and it literally the first shot
- 15:52Speaker 2: is of a foot hitting the pavement rate as the
- 15:55Speaker 2: opening drum beat of Lust for Life plays, and You're
- 15:58Speaker 2: just like you are just yanked end of this world
- 16:00Speaker 2: so hard? Were you andto Iggy at the time, or
- 16:03Speaker 2: did you have the same for me. I don't know
- 16:05Speaker 2: that I've ever heard this song before I saw this movie,
- 16:08Speaker 2: and I vividly remember the song coming on and being like,
- 16:12Speaker 2: holy shit, what is this song?
- 16:14Speaker 1: Well, before I answer the question, I just for those
- 16:16Speaker 1: in the audience who are younger, it's important to remember
- 16:18Speaker 1: that in nineteen ninety six, when Trainspotting comes out. Lust
- 16:22Speaker 1: for Life by Iggy Pop, as hard as it is
- 16:24Speaker 1: now to imagine, was not a ubiquitous sort of classic tune.
- 16:29Speaker 1: It just was not. I mean, I'm sure I had
- 16:32Speaker 1: heard it, but I wasn't an iggy a fan of
- 16:35Speaker 1: Iggy Pop's music. I knew who he was, and I
- 16:37Speaker 1: thought he was an interesting guy because you got to remember,
- 16:39Speaker 1: he's doing like cry Baby around this time and dead
- 16:42Speaker 1: Man this day with Lord delivered thee into mind him.
- 16:46Speaker 2: For me, he had just had the reputation of the
- 16:47Speaker 2: guy who like cut himself on stage, and I was like, oh,
- 16:49Speaker 2: that's a little too transgressive for me, maybe, you know, yeah, that.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Was definitely part of the lore, and he was just
- 16:54Speaker 1: something that, you know, Johnny Depp was very enthralled with
- 16:56Speaker 1: him at the time, and we all knew Whojohnny Depp was, obviously,
- 16:59Speaker 1: and he was just kind of this it's like elder
- 17:01Speaker 1: statesman in the alternative world. But I wasn't listening to
- 17:05Speaker 1: Iggy Pop on purpose at that time. I wasn't. I
- 17:08Speaker 1: had friends, so I should say who probably thought that
- 17:10Speaker 1: I was lame because I didn't have the Stooges album.
- 17:12Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, it took a while. It
- 17:14Speaker 1: took a while for me to get into that and
- 17:16Speaker 1: and this movie kind of did it for the song,
- 17:19Speaker 1: but it that's not what iggy pop isn't what this
- 17:21Speaker 1: movie turned me on to. Musically. We can get into
- 17:24Speaker 1: what this what the movie did turn me onto, but no,
- 17:26Speaker 1: Iggy wasn't really on my radar. And now when you
- 17:30Speaker 1: go back and you're just it's not just it's not
- 17:33Speaker 1: just the lust for Life scene in the beginning, which
- 17:35Speaker 1: is absolutely, like instantly iconic. It's that night clubbing scene
- 17:41Speaker 1: in The Menace Nightclubbing yea, which Bowie Bowie produced, right, that.
- 17:51Speaker 2: One's not the idiot, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it
- 17:53Speaker 2: sounds like a hangover that song, you know, yeah, it.
- 17:55Speaker 1: Really it sounds like you're you're you're hanging out with
- 17:58Speaker 1: the wrong fucking people. That's what And that's what what's happened.
- 18:00Speaker 1: Bowie was hanging out Bowie and NIGGI, we're both hanging
- 18:03Speaker 1: out with the wrong people at the time. Just so
- 18:04Speaker 1: happened that it was each other. All right, guys, that's
- 18:09Speaker 1: this film should be played loud. Myself and Zeth Lundy
- 18:12Speaker 1: getting down with our favorite music in movies. Go to
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- 18:17Speaker 1: Access member and cop that exclusive content six one seven
- 18:21Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, voicemail and text
- 18:24Speaker 1: to get in touch like we do every week. Like
- 18:27Speaker 1: I said, with the Jans Addiction episode, we prompted the
- 18:30Speaker 1: question who was the most consequential artist of the nineties?
- 18:34Speaker 1: Let's check in with the eight one eight.
- 18:37Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, it's King in one eight uh calling about
- 18:41Speaker 3: your question about which band best embodies the nineties? Thank
- 18:45Speaker 3: you by the way for not saying which band is
- 18:47Speaker 3: the most iconic? That we're just getting seriously overused, and
- 18:50Speaker 3: it's annoying that I digress who's the most important, Scottie Nirvana,
- 18:55Speaker 3: who's probably the longest lasting, still going important, and probably
- 19:00Speaker 3: Pearl Jam Beust hard rock album from that era, Sound
- 19:05Speaker 3: Garden super Unknown. For me, I can't even get into
- 19:09Speaker 3: nineties hip hop and R and B because that's like,
- 19:11Speaker 3: that's like a whole separate podcast, and you might be
- 19:14Speaker 3: having that already in the works, who knows. But in
- 19:18Speaker 3: terms of like which band embodies for me the nineties,
- 19:22Speaker 3: it was kind of a left field one because I
- 19:24Speaker 3: never even listened to them until the two thousands. Uncle Tupelo.
- 19:29Speaker 3: They created a whole genre, Old Country. They gave birth
- 19:33Speaker 3: to two bands after they split up, Sunbolt and my
- 19:35Speaker 3: favorite band, will Go. I didn't even know about them
- 19:39Speaker 3: until the look A movie I'm Trying to Break Your
- 19:42Speaker 3: Heart came up, and then I kind of started going
- 19:44Speaker 3: back and like, little did I know that was a
- 19:48Speaker 3: huge part of a lot of people's lives in the nineties.
- 19:51Speaker 3: I know they started late eighties only went in the
- 19:54Speaker 3: ninety four, but I think just the fact that they
- 19:56Speaker 3: kind of created a whole new genre and gave birth
- 20:00Speaker 3: to some bands out of that. For me, that's my answer.
- 20:04Speaker 3: Thanks Charling, you doing you don't have an Uncle Tupelo episode.
- 20:07Speaker 3: I would suggest it, but you know what you just
- 20:09Speaker 3: talked about, how people don't even know these things. I'm
- 20:12Speaker 3: fairly new here. You probably have like two Uncle Tupel episodes. Broa,
- 20:16Speaker 3: I know. Thanks a bunch man rock rolla.
- 20:19Speaker 1: Yeo, okay, great, great, great, great call so much here
- 20:23Speaker 1: to unpack. First of all, I hear you on the
- 20:27Speaker 1: iconic thing. It drives me nuts. It absolutely drives me nuts.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Not everybody can be iconic. Part of what makes somebody
- 20:33Speaker 1: a nikon is they are separate and apart from everybody else,
- 20:36Speaker 1: and there's a time component to it as well. So yeah,
- 20:40Speaker 1: I could go on and on about that. I agree
- 20:42Speaker 1: with you on Nirvana, agree with you on what you
- 20:44Speaker 1: said about Pearl Jam and Sound Garden. I do think though,
- 20:47Speaker 1: that I don't really know how I haven't quite figured
- 20:50Speaker 1: out how to how to position Jane' addiction in this thinking,
- 20:54Speaker 1: because I do firmly believe that if it weren't for
- 20:56Speaker 1: their efforts, the Nirvana thing wouldn't have happened. And I
- 21:00Speaker 1: suppose you could probably even trace it back further. You know,
- 21:03Speaker 1: you can go from Jan's addiction back perhaps to Ram
- 21:06Speaker 1: and Pixies and the work they sort of did with
- 21:09Speaker 1: college radio and and sort of creating the runway for
- 21:12Speaker 1: the nineties explosion that was supercharged by Jane's addiction, and
- 21:17Speaker 1: then Nirvana, and on nineties hip hop. You're right, that's
- 21:20Speaker 1: a whole other separate conversation. I love nineties hip hop
- 21:23Speaker 1: and R and B, by the way, and it's funny
- 21:25Speaker 1: that you should bring up Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupeloh, we
- 21:29Speaker 1: just we started talking about them in the excub already
- 21:31Speaker 1: taped the exclusive section. The conversation here between Zeth and I.
- 21:35Speaker 1: You'll hear Zeth's experience with Uncle Tupelo as a young kid,
- 21:40Speaker 1: and that album No Depression was produced by good friend
- 21:44Speaker 1: of ours, Paul Coldery, who I've done a lot of
- 21:46Speaker 1: work with in the past. Just a great, great record.
- 21:50Speaker 1: I'm definitely more of a tweety guy than I am
- 21:54Speaker 1: J Ferrar, But you know, I had Spotify on randomly
- 21:58Speaker 1: playing random stuff the other day and this song came on.
- 22:00Speaker 1: It was kind of a later or it wasn't from
- 22:03Speaker 1: No Depression. It was some some Uncle Tupelo thing and
- 22:06Speaker 1: it rocked so hard and it was a j J
- 22:09Speaker 1: for our song. But I'm not really a Sunbolt guy,
- 22:13Speaker 1: but I get it. I get why people are anyhow,
- 22:15Speaker 1: great great call loss unpacked there. Check out the all
- 22:18Speaker 1: access section of this too if you want to hear
- 22:20Speaker 1: more about that Uncle Tupelo experience that Zeth had, and
- 22:22Speaker 1: some Ryan Adams stuff too. If you're in the whole
- 22:24Speaker 1: all country thing. All right, let's check out this voicemail
- 22:27Speaker 1: from the six one.
- 22:28Speaker 4: Seven Jake Neil from Brighton, mass I just wanted to
- 22:34Speaker 4: say you're doing a great job. Love the episode. The
- 22:37Speaker 4: newer ones and keep up the great work. If you're
- 22:42Speaker 4: not around town, you're not missing a damn thing.
- 22:46Speaker 1: Thank you for all you doo Neil, thank you for
- 22:49Speaker 1: your call. I saw the six one sevens IF good
- 22:51Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I got to check out
- 22:52Speaker 1: this Boston call. You did not disappoint my friend, And yes,
- 22:55Speaker 1: I am not in Boston and not around I'll be
- 22:57Speaker 1: there this weekend though. I'm going back and I'm excited
- 22:59Speaker 1: about it. You can watch the Patriots in New England
- 23:02Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl as it should be done right right.
- 23:06Speaker 1: More on that later eight four to three tech cent Hey.
- 23:08Speaker 1: Jane's addiction was indeed the complete embodiment of the nineteen
- 23:11Speaker 1: nineties to me at the time. I pierced my septum
- 23:14Speaker 1: at thirteen and my senior quote in ninety three was
- 23:17Speaker 1: from ocean size. There you go, three six oh text,
- 23:21Speaker 1: sen Hey. I met Perry Farrell one night on the
- 23:24Speaker 1: way to an after hours club in Venice Beach nineteen
- 23:27Speaker 1: ninety eight. My friend Karen had her Hebrew name tattooed
- 23:30Speaker 1: on the back of her calf, and he, being Jewish,
- 23:32Speaker 1: could read it. Came up behind us and chatted us
- 23:35Speaker 1: up a minute it turns out we're all going to
- 23:37Speaker 1: the same club. Later on, I saw my brain pack
- 23:39Speaker 1: up a suitcase and roll off down the sidewalk on
- 23:41Speaker 1: a skateboard. But that's another story. I don't know what
- 23:44Speaker 1: that's in reference to three six oh, but I'm happy
- 23:47Speaker 1: you got to hang out with Perry Farrell. That sounds amazing.
- 23:50Speaker 1: Nine seven eight Hell Tone Mark, he of the epic
- 23:53Speaker 1: Disgraceland playlist checking in here. Mark says, hey, Jake, playlist
- 23:58Speaker 1: is now up to an including little peep. You said
- 24:02Speaker 1: for me to get in touch, take advantage of your
- 24:04Speaker 1: very generous Patreon offer. How can I get that going?
- 24:07Speaker 1: That's a good question, helltal Mark. We're gonna figure that out.
- 24:10Speaker 1: This is my very public note to figure that out.
- 24:13Speaker 1: All right. Thanks for your patients, and thanks for all
- 24:16Speaker 1: you do. If anyone's like, what the hell is Jake
- 24:19Speaker 1: and helltal Mark talking about, well, Mark has been going
- 24:23Speaker 1: through every episode of Disgraceland from the beginning, and as
- 24:26Speaker 1: you know, there are probably about two hundred and sixty
- 24:28Speaker 1: episodes right now, not exactly sure, m and Mark is
- 24:33Speaker 1: making a playlist with every piece of music mentioned from
- 24:38Speaker 1: every single episode of Disgraceland, and so far he's up
- 24:41Speaker 1: to little peep, which is I don't know, gotta be
- 24:44Speaker 1: around like episode seventy year or something like that, the
- 24:48Speaker 1: eighty something along those signes keep going, Mark, We'll get
- 24:51Speaker 1: you that. Patreon member All Access membership nine to two zero.
- 24:55Speaker 1: Text in episode suggestion Ministry New World Order. I like that.
- 25:00Speaker 1: Gotta definitely do a ministry episode at some point. Six
- 25:04Speaker 1: one seven, nine oh six, six six three eight. Guys
- 25:07Speaker 1: get in touch. Interested to know from y'all which of
- 25:12Speaker 1: your favorite rock stars died before they got their due.
- 25:15Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna be talking about next week. Six
- 25:17Speaker 1: one seven, nine oh six, six six three eight voicemail
- 25:19Speaker 1: and text to let me know. If you want to
- 25:21Speaker 1: email me, you can do so at Disgrace sampod at
- 25:24Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Rob Hervey Wright saying, Hey, I enjoy
- 25:28Speaker 1: your podcast. Thought of a couple of episode ideas. One
- 25:30Speaker 1: is about Felix Popularti, bass player from Mountain, who is
- 25:33Speaker 1: murdered by his wife Gail, and the other story is
- 25:36Speaker 1: about Mike Gordon, bassist for Fish. Around the tour of
- 25:40Speaker 1: the Millennium, he got into some trouble with some Hell's
- 25:42Speaker 1: Angels and wound up getting his ball stomped for taking
- 25:45Speaker 1: pictures of an underaged girl whose father was a club member.
- 25:48Speaker 1: Have a great year. You know, we did a Fish episode.
- 25:50Speaker 1: We did not get into this story, and there's uh
- 25:53Speaker 1: we had we had our reasons.
- 25:55Speaker 4: Uh.
- 25:56Speaker 1: I didn't know this Hell's Angels. I didn't write that
- 25:59Speaker 1: episode some movies. That's I didn't know this Hell's Angels angle. However,
- 26:02Speaker 1: I wonder if this is true. We'll check this out,
- 26:05Speaker 1: Rob and report back. In the meantime, Rob, check out
- 26:08Speaker 1: our Fish episode as it stands and let us know
- 26:10Speaker 1: what you think. Six one seven nine oh six six
- 26:13Speaker 1: six three eight voicemail, text at Disgrace Lampod on thesocials
- 26:18Speaker 1: Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. You want to get
- 26:20Speaker 1: in touch, that's how you do it. Back and flash
- 26:23Speaker 1: after this. All right, Matt, it is Super Bowl Week,
- 26:45Speaker 1: my friend. It's back baby. This is the sixty second
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- 27:01Speaker 1: or Amazon available now. Matt, give me the buzzer beater.
- 27:04Speaker 1: All right, listen, it's not easy being a New England
- 27:07Speaker 1: Patriots fan. Some of you fans of, say the Vikings
- 27:10Speaker 1: or the Bills, or the Bengals of the Jets, are
- 27:12Speaker 1: other fans of long suffering football franchises. You may look
- 27:15Speaker 1: upon us, blanketed in our red way and blue, gearing
- 27:18Speaker 1: up for our twelfth Super Bowl appearance, gearing up for
- 27:21Speaker 1: our franchise leading seventh Super Bowl title. You may look
- 27:25Speaker 1: upon our postseason dominance with envy. But let me tell you,
- 27:29Speaker 1: it is not easy being a Patriots fan. It is
- 27:32Speaker 1: not easy being this hated, this despised by the entire country.
- 27:37Speaker 1: How bad do football fans hate the New England Patriots
- 27:41Speaker 1: and their fans? Well, as you probably heard, the winningest,
- 27:44Speaker 1: most dominant coach in NFL history, Bill Belichick, with six
- 27:48Speaker 1: Super Bowl titles as a head coach with the Pats,
- 27:52Speaker 1: was denied entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
- 27:54Speaker 1: last week. This week, Pat's owner Robert Kraft, also with
- 27:59Speaker 1: six titles, denied for the fourteenth time. Now, it's having
- 28:03Speaker 1: the most titles as a coach and owner does not
- 28:07Speaker 1: get you into the Hall of Fame? Then what does
- 28:09Speaker 1: and how do you explain this Patriots hate? That's how
- 28:14Speaker 1: all right? But that's okay, that's cool. We'll take it.
- 28:18Speaker 1: Pats of players have long made league hate fuel for
- 28:21Speaker 1: postseason victory, and I, of course and hoping that they
- 28:25Speaker 1: do so again this weekend. We shall see, all right, Matt,
- 28:29Speaker 1: how to do one twenty eight today? Jake? You know,
- 28:32Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good. You've been on the shelf
- 28:35Speaker 1: for quite a while. You had a lot to say,
- 28:37Speaker 1: you know. All right, Well, that's okay. I'll take the
- 28:40Speaker 1: l in hopes that the Pats get the w this weekend.
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- 29:06Speaker 1: merch coming to the merch winners. Keep an eye on
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- 29:13Speaker 1: members who review the show on Spotify or on Apple Podcasts,
- 29:20Speaker 1: will if they hear their review reread back here and
- 29:24Speaker 1: the show receive some free merch might be a T shirt,
- 29:27Speaker 1: might be pins, might be some stickers. I'm looking at
- 29:30Speaker 1: some Disgrace Sland stickers right now on my desk. It's
- 29:33Speaker 1: very easy to leave a review, and reviews help power
- 29:35Speaker 1: discovery of the show, help bring this show to new listeners,
- 29:38Speaker 1: and we appreciate that. Chris Hilman over on Spotify rights, Hey, Jay, great,
- 29:41Speaker 1: listen on this Disgraceland episode of Jane's addiction. The things
- 29:45Speaker 1: Dave Navarro endured in his early life, like the brutal
- 29:47Speaker 1: death of his mother, explains why he took so many risks.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Couldn't imagine dealing with that just alone. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Chris.
- 29:55Speaker 1: I'm feeling generous today. So here's another review on Spotify,
- 29:57Speaker 1: this one by Sam Hunt, who writes, Hey, that Runaway EPISO,
- 30:00Speaker 1: so it gave me chills. Dude, I know so much
- 30:02Speaker 1: about the Runaways, but the way you tell these stories,
- 30:04Speaker 1: especially the last bit, I needed to hear that right now,
- 30:08Speaker 1: Sam Hunt, get in touch six one, seven, nine oh six,
- 30:10Speaker 1: six sixty three eight guys hit me up on tech
- 30:14Speaker 1: semi text semi voicemail Edward Joseph just shout out to you.
- 30:18Speaker 1: Looks like I pronounced Bergine wrong the brigame laud from
- 30:21Speaker 1: the Gaga episodes. You know, I actually did my homework
- 30:24Speaker 1: on this. I looked it up. Damn it. I don't know, Edward.
- 30:29Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm taking your word for it.
- 30:31Speaker 1: Tiffany Williams writes, hear me out, I'm playing Devil's advocate
- 30:35Speaker 1: here on the Lady Gaga episode. Maybe it's a stretch,
- 30:37Speaker 1: but what if Gaga spent her career paying homage to
- 30:40Speaker 1: her friend by embodying her persona. I don't know, but
- 30:43Speaker 1: damn Jake, this was good. Bravo. That's an interesting idea, Tiffany.
- 30:47Speaker 1: You know the idea that the conspiracy theory is that
- 30:50Speaker 1: Lady Gaga stole Lena Morgana's whole vibe, her style, her music.
- 30:57Speaker 1: I like your take, Tiffany, the maybe she's just paying
- 30:59Speaker 1: my sure a dead friend. I like that girl Kai
- 31:03Speaker 1: from Chai dot xx on Apple podcast. Whets Hey, I've
- 31:07Speaker 1: known Disgrace Sland forever, but for whatever reason, never actually
- 31:10Speaker 1: pressed play until the most recent Lady Gaga Part one episode.
- 31:14Speaker 1: And yeah, hooked is the word ten of ten stars.
- 31:18Speaker 1: Jake does a really amazing job but setting the dark
- 31:20Speaker 1: and cinematic vibes without feeling exploitative and gossipy. It's nice
- 31:24Speaker 1: to find a podcaster who respects nuance. Girl Kai from Chai,
- 31:29Speaker 1: get in touch will get you some merch, And I
- 31:31Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that about the nuance. It's an interesting
- 31:34Speaker 1: balance because if I'm being totally honest, as you know,
- 31:38Speaker 1: I like the more dramatic portions of the story, as
- 31:42Speaker 1: I think we all do. That's the type of storytelling
- 31:44Speaker 1: that I'm drawn to. But if you do that without nuance,
- 31:47Speaker 1: it just becomes sensational. So finding that nuance and finding
- 31:51Speaker 1: enough of it and not using too much of it
- 31:54Speaker 1: is an interesting challenge when it comes to storytelling, and
- 31:57Speaker 1: we take it very seriously over here at Double Elvis,
- 31:59Speaker 1: and I got to say, I'm very happy that you
- 32:02Speaker 1: called that out. So get in touch six one seven
- 32:05Speaker 1: nine six six six three eight and we will get
- 32:07Speaker 1: you some merch. Okay, Now, if you need just a
- 32:11Speaker 1: little more double all the storytelling in your life, like
- 32:14Speaker 1: I said over on Patreon, you guys can check out
- 32:17Speaker 1: our new show. This film should be played loud. We've
- 32:20Speaker 1: also got many episodes that correspond with our full episodes,
- 32:24Speaker 1: and all of it is ad free. In addition, we
- 32:27Speaker 1: have another podcast called Hollywood Land that we produce, and
- 32:30Speaker 1: that show is helmed by my colleague, doctor Zeth Lundy,
- 32:34Speaker 1: who brings you all the Hollywood and true crime vibes.
- 32:37Speaker 1: Subscribe to Hollywood Land in your podcast feed if you
- 32:41Speaker 1: are not subscribed already. I'll be back after this. All right, guys.
- 32:59Speaker 1: In this episode we mentioned a ton of artists, but
- 33:02Speaker 1: I remember specifically talking about Nirvana and Metallica and the
- 33:05Speaker 1: B Block. And for new listeners, if you're not aware,
- 33:08Speaker 1: we have episodes on of course, we have two episodes
- 33:11Speaker 1: on Nirvana and we have an episode on Metallica, and
- 33:14Speaker 1: those are in our archive. Matt will have the episode
- 33:18Speaker 1: information for both of those in the show notes section
- 33:21Speaker 1: of this bonus episode, so you'll be able to easily
- 33:26Speaker 1: navigate your way to Metallica and Nirvana and also Motley Crue.
- 33:29Speaker 1: We mentioned Motley Crue as well. All right, let's recap
- 33:31Speaker 1: shat we number one this week, Our new episode on
- 33:33Speaker 1: Jane's Addiction is available for you right now. Number two.
- 33:35Speaker 1: Rewind episodes on the Beatles Parts one and Part two
- 33:38Speaker 1: coming up this end of this week and number three.
- 33:40Speaker 1: Next week we get a brand new episode on me
- 33:42Speaker 1: as a Pata of the gets Zeth as always is
- 33:45Speaker 1: bringing you those Hollywood and true crime vibes and Hollywood land.
- 33:48Speaker 1: Make sure you are subscribed number five. This film should
- 33:51Speaker 1: be played loud. Our new video podcast with our new
- 33:54Speaker 1: episode on Trainspotting is available. You gotta be a Patreon
- 33:57Speaker 1: member to cop that, so go to Disgray sampod dot
- 33:59Speaker 1: com to sign up. Number six six one seven nine
- 34:01Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight year voice keeps us
- 34:04Speaker 1: digging into the dark corners of music history, So keep
- 34:06Speaker 1: calling and texting with your answers to this week's question
- 34:09Speaker 1: of the week or with whatever else you guys want
- 34:11Speaker 1: to talk about. Number seven. Don't forget disc goes. This
- 34:13Speaker 1: isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed.
- 34:16Speaker 1: And no one cares about music, books, records and the
- 34:18Speaker 1: true crime and crime that ties them all together like
- 34:20Speaker 1: you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right. Back
- 34:24Speaker 1: on July eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Ice Teas body Count,
- 34:27Speaker 1: the Rawlins Band, Butthole Surfers, Living Color nine inch Nails,
- 34:31Speaker 1: Susie and the Banjeez and Jane's Addiction performed for the
- 34:35Speaker 1: first ever show at the first ever lallapalousatur And here's
- 34:39Speaker 1: what America was listening to on that day according to
- 34:42Speaker 1: the Billboard Charts. Number one Everything I Do, I Do
- 34:47Speaker 1: It for You. Brian Adams last week for Pea position
- 34:53Speaker 1: one weeks on chart five, number two, Right here, Right Now.
- 34:58Speaker 1: Jesus Jones last week number three, peak position two, five
- 35:03Speaker 1: weeks on chart last sixteen, number three, unbelievable weeks. MF
- 35:09Speaker 1: last week peak position, peak position weeks on chart six
- 35:14Speaker 1: umber last number four, Passionate Sember last week five peak
- 35:20Speaker 1: position number four weeks on chart nine, number number five,
- 35:24Speaker 1: Pieces Summertimes, DJ Jazz and Jeff has a Fresh Press
- 35:28Speaker 1: last past Quit talking and start mixing.