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Sheriff Mark Lamb Breaks Silence on Guthrie Case — “They Blew It” · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Why is there no update? Why has it been solved yet?
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Nancy Guffrie abduction case. Savannah Guthrie's
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Speaker 1: mother has been missing for a long time now. Chris
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Speaker 1: Nano's the sheriff in charge in Pma County, Arizona, just
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Speaker 1: got a no confidence vote from every deputy who voted.
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Speaker 1: Every single one said they had no confidence in his leadership.
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Speaker 1: I got with Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb, now retired.
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Speaker 1: He says what he would do is sheriff if you
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Speaker 1: got a no confidence vote, and he talks about how
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Speaker 1: this case has been messed up from the start.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that would kill me, Joe.
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Speaker 3: Look, losing the faith and confidence of the people that
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Speaker 3: you're supposed to serve and that you're supposed to lead
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Speaker 3: is catastrophic and I don't know that you can ever
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Speaker 3: recover from that. I've seen other people, whether they're chiefs
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Speaker 3: or sheriffs, who have lost the confidence of their people
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Speaker 3: and gotten a no confidence vote, and ultimately they are
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Speaker 3: not in that.
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Speaker 2: Position for very much longer.
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Speaker 3: And when you lose that, you should either step aside
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Speaker 3: or they're probably going to do what they are doing,
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Speaker 3: which is a recall vote, and that recall vote is
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Speaker 3: active right now now. If they can get the signatures,
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Speaker 3: which is about five hundred thousand signatures in that county
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Speaker 3: to get that recall, they would then that would trigger
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Speaker 3: another election, a special election, and he would have to
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Speaker 3: fight for his life to whether or not he got
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Speaker 3: re elected and made it through that recall vote.
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Speaker 1: It's a former sheriff, Mark Lamb. Go to sherifflanb dot com.
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Speaker 1: He's running for District five Republican Grace, State of Arizona.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it at length. At a second, this
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Speaker 1: all predates Nancy Guthrie. I mean, there wasn't any confidence
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Speaker 1: in this guy before that. You and I have talked
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Speaker 1: about that agency, and I know that you are not
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Speaker 1: wont to drag somebody, but the fact is there's something
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Speaker 1: wrong there. There's either a lack of interest by him
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Speaker 1: or there's an incompetence level by him. I think you
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Speaker 1: and I talked about it at one point that he
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Speaker 1: was moving people that were like really seasoned detectives away
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Speaker 1: from being detectives back on patrol because he didn't like
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Speaker 1: their attitude or something. What did you know about that
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Speaker 1: about that agency? If you don't mind before the Nancy
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Speaker 1: Guthrie thing blew up. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, one of the examples was the pilot, you know,
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Speaker 3: the pilot who was able to fly the playing and
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Speaker 3: getting early on in the Gun three case.
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Speaker 2: He was no longer.
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Speaker 3: He was back to patrol because they said he was rude,
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Speaker 3: and so they put him back over there. And look,
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Speaker 3: I've been hearing a lot of things for a lot
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Speaker 3: of years. Disgruntled employees, guys who've retired and said I
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Speaker 3: just can't work there anymore, a lot of guys who
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Speaker 3: are just biting their time that don't want to get that.
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Speaker 3: It's just he's created this atmosphere of not wanting to
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Speaker 3: work there has been created there. There was a Republican sheriff,
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Speaker 3: even though this is a very Democrat county, there was
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Speaker 3: a Republican sheriff before him, excuse me. And then he
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Speaker 3: got beat this by Nanos, who was there before. So
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Speaker 3: the Republican b Nanos, and then after four years Nanos
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Speaker 3: came back and beat him. And then he just had
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Speaker 3: barely survived a re election.
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Speaker 2: There was a gal that was from his.
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Speaker 3: Agency that ran against him and I think ended up
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Speaker 3: losing by like two hundred votes.
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Speaker 2: In a very Democrat county.
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Speaker 3: So this is a very This is somebody who's very
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Speaker 3: struggling to keep the support of even Democrats and independence,
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Speaker 3: let alone Republicans.
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Speaker 1: It's a sheriff, Mark Lamb, retired at Panal County, Arizona
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Speaker 1: sherifflab dot com. You want to support his candidacy. Early
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Speaker 1: on you told me that there were people from his
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Speaker 1: agency and others going to the bathroom at the crime
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Speaker 1: scene at the Guthrie house. You had the pole company
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Speaker 1: show up, you had a pizza guy go to the
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Speaker 1: front door. I mean, it just wasn't a closed off scene.
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Speaker 1: They investigated it, opened it, closed it again, which everything
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Speaker 1: was already was already sullied. But even further than that,
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Speaker 1: as you said earlier, and this is a couple of
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Speaker 1: months ago, he has people that have never investigated at
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Speaker 1: all since you and I spoke last. It turns out
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Speaker 1: the lead detective on this has zero homicide detective experience,
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Speaker 1: none whatsoever. So, Mark, I mean, that's a recipe for disaster,
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Speaker 1: is it not. So you're still the sheriff of Panal
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Speaker 1: County and Nacy Guthrie goes missing from Panal County. What
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Speaker 1: should you do when something like that happens.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, Joe, initially, and I've said this to to
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Speaker 3: their I don't know cover. I guess you could say,
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Speaker 3: when somebody goes missing as an adult, it doesn't immediately
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Speaker 3: trigger a a you know, there's cause for foul play.
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Speaker 3: You would then look for evidence of foul play. In
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Speaker 3: this particular case, they found blood around the front porch
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Speaker 3: doors open, so cameras damaged. This indicated foul play immediately.
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Speaker 3: You should then treat that this as a kidnapping and
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Speaker 3: probably involve your major crimes. What we had were major
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Speaker 3: crimes who handled homicide. These were guys that were seasoned
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Speaker 3: in handling very sensitive cases and important cases, and they
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Speaker 3: did very well at it. They had been doing it
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Speaker 3: a long time. Obviously, somebody's got to start somewhere, but
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Speaker 3: we always had them shadowing somebody who had been there
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Speaker 3: and doing that for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: Well, what are your thoughts about, because you've never done this.
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Speaker 1: You've done a lot of media and you're very good
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Speaker 1: at it, and you told me the last time we
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Speaker 1: spoke that a good part of the job, a large
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Speaker 1: part of the job, is being the face of the
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Speaker 1: department and letting the community know that you're in charge
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Speaker 1: and you're taking care of it. Here's all the information
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Speaker 1: you need when it comes to this case. This guy
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Speaker 1: Nanos wasn't doing a daily press conference like I thought
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Speaker 1: he should have. He was sitting down with this guy
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Speaker 1: Matt Gal and the other person and sheriff. He was
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Speaker 1: changing his tune. Everybody he talked to he said something different.
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Speaker 1: I mean that, in and of itself, either shows in
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Speaker 1: confidence or he's trying to cover the fact that they
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Speaker 1: did a really bad job early on. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of the fact that he changed his story depending
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Speaker 1: on who the agency was.
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Speaker 3: Well, Look, if you're going to go and do a
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Speaker 3: press conference, I think you ought to make sure that
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Speaker 3: you have the best information possible.
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Speaker 2: And I think is don't try to get cute.
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Speaker 3: Share what you can share, but don't share things that
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Speaker 3: might impede or affect the investigation. I have found that
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Speaker 3: truthfulness and making just being very open and transparent is
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Speaker 3: the best way to work around a very high profile
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Speaker 3: case like this. You've got to give the family hope,
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Speaker 3: and you've got to make them feel that you're confident.
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Speaker 3: They've got to feel your confidence in not only your agency,
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Speaker 3: but in your leadership that they're going to be able
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Speaker 3: to get to bring resolve to this case. What we
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Speaker 3: initially hoped for was the resolve was they would find
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Speaker 3: Nancy Godthrie right. And the longer this goes on, I
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Speaker 3: think more and more of us have now accepted the fact,
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Speaker 3: and I think even the family has that the likelihood
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Speaker 3: of her being found alive is very low.
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Speaker 2: Now you need to have.
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Speaker 3: That confidence in somebody saying, hey, look, we're going to
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Speaker 3: get this case figured out. We promise you we're gonna
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Speaker 3: work hard, we're not gonna let go of it, and
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Speaker 3: we're going to get the best people on it.
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Speaker 1: It's Sheriff Mark lamb Are retired now pan now Kenny
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Speaker 1: Arizona running for District five Republican Great State of Arizona,
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Speaker 1: the seat held by Andy Biggs. So I hope becomes
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Speaker 1: the next governor. We'll talk about that more in a second.
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Speaker 1: Sherifflam dot com. Sherifflam dot com. When it comes to
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Speaker 1: this case, we heard yesterday about TMZ. For God's sakes,
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Speaker 1: they keep on getting these random, weird emails and texts
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Speaker 1: from somebody who still claims they know where Nancy Guthrie is.
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Speaker 1: In fact, they say that they know that she's now
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Speaker 1: dead and she's in this section of Mexico. Sure, if
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Speaker 1: if you get something like that, what do you do
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Speaker 1: with it? If somebody says, give me sixty five thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars and I'll tell you exactly what I know about
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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie when there's really no information suggesting they know
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Speaker 1: anything about Nci Guthrie, but they keep on doing it
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Speaker 1: and we can't seem to track the person down. Do
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Speaker 1: you do anything when it comes to either finding out
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Speaker 1: who that is or tracking down the information they claim
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Speaker 1: they have.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, every bit of that takes resources, takes manpower.
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Speaker 3: So every lead that you follow or chase is going
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Speaker 3: to take manpower. This is what makes these cases very difficult.
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Speaker 3: Anytime you start to involve the media, you get a
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Speaker 3: lot of people that either want to feel important, or
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Speaker 3: that are scammers, or maybe they do actually have information,
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Speaker 3: and it becomes extremely difficult to sift through that and
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Speaker 3: it takes a lot of manpower. The FBI, I think
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Speaker 3: would have been very beneficial and helpful in kind of
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Speaker 3: sifting through a lot of this information.
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Speaker 2: On a local level, we just don't.
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Speaker 3: Have the resources to be able to handle one thousand,
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Speaker 3: five ten thousand leads coming in sometimes a day.
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Speaker 2: That makes it very difficult.
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Speaker 3: And so every lead you decide to chase, obviously you're
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Speaker 3: gonna want to chase the ones you feel are serious.
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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to have some small vetting process to
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Speaker 3: kind of work through some of those that information and
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Speaker 3: make sure you're not just wasting manpower and effort on
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Speaker 3: a lead that turns out to be a bus or
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Speaker 3: a scam.
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Speaker 1: From the people you talk to, do you know it
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Speaker 1: to be a fact that Nanos was not for the
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Speaker 1: FBI getting involved. He wasn't sharing with the FBI early on.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like they're working together a little bit better now.
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Speaker 1: But is that a fact or was that rumor?
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Joe, I've heard you know, I've heard
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Speaker 3: some information, but I've said all along.
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Speaker 2: As a sheriff, I would have wanted to keep this case.
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Speaker 3: I would have felt like we could have handled this case,
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Speaker 3: managed the evidence, done all of that. I would have
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Speaker 3: absolutely and listed the FBI's help in helping with this
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Speaker 3: case in some of the things. They have some really
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Speaker 3: good resources and tools, and they have an unlimited budget
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Speaker 3: that we typically don't have in local law enforcement where
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Speaker 3: they can go out and chase down leads. Now I
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Speaker 3: would have worked very closely with them, but I would
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Speaker 3: have wanted to keep the case as well. There was
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Speaker 3: nothing that said that this was a case that had
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Speaker 3: to go to the FBI. And sometimes the FBI works
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Speaker 3: at a much different pace, sometimes slowly, and sometimes it's
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Speaker 3: not what we would like to work at. And so
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Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with him keeping the case.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what that relationship want. I heard there
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Speaker 3: was some conflicts there, but they're always in when you
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Speaker 3: get in a big case like this, there's gonna be
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a tug of war as to
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Speaker 3: who's got the authority and who's going to run with
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Speaker 3: the case.
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Speaker 1: Right. But I think that you I think because you're
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Speaker 1: a former sheriff, your knee jerk reaction is I'm going
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Speaker 1: to defend him as much as I can. It's not
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Speaker 1: a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. I
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Speaker 1: get it. But the question really was do you think
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Speaker 1: that he had this animosity based relationship with the FBI
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Speaker 1: early on? I didn't want the FBI to take over,
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Speaker 1: and if Nanos is able to do it, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you this, if this happened in Panel County, and you
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Speaker 1: were still the sheriff. We didn't want the FPID to takeover.
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Speaker 1: I woudn't want them to work with you. So it's
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Speaker 1: not really about should they have gotten the case. We
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Speaker 1: just heard that early on. He was sort of an
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Speaker 1: arrogant jerk about it and he didn't want to work
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Speaker 1: with them, And that's something I don't think that you
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Speaker 1: could ever have done. Tabby. Did you hear anything along
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Speaker 1: those lines. I'm not looking to drag the guy, but
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Speaker 1: obviously he's got a problem with a lot of the
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Speaker 1: things that he did. He never held a press conference,
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Speaker 1: maybe one that he sat down with twenty different reporters
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Speaker 1: and said twenty different things. When a case like this
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Speaker 1: happens again, you're still the sheriff. I know you. I
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Speaker 1: know you would have said absolutely, bring all the resources
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Speaker 1: you want, but we're going to keep the lead. I
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Speaker 1: just don't feel like he did any of that. Am
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Speaker 1: I wrong about that?
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Speaker 3: Look no, and look at this tracks Joe, and I'll
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Speaker 3: give you a little insight. When he became a sheriff again,
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Speaker 3: one of the first things he did was reach out
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Speaker 3: to the Arizona Sheriff's Association and say, hey, we don't
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Speaker 3: want to. I'm not going to work with you guys,
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Speaker 3: the Maxtly Sheriff's Association, We're not gonna work with the
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Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Association just didn't really have an interest in
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Speaker 3: working and maintaining that relationship. I will give him credit
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Speaker 3: where we had one of our deputies get shot and
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Speaker 3: a couple other things. He was so great and willing
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Speaker 3: to help in those situations. However, there was this desire
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Speaker 3: to pull away from working with any of the other
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Speaker 3: sheriff's offices in the state of Arizona and nationally, and
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Speaker 3: so it kind of tracks. If that's you know, if
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Speaker 3: that's some of the information that's coming out.
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Speaker 1: It is Sheriff Mark Limb, a retired Panow Kenny, Arizona.
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Speaker 1: Go to Sheriff linb dot com. He's running for District five,
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Speaker 1: Republican great State of Arizona. Your state has a problem, Sheriff.
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Speaker 1: It's got a big problem. One the governor, two the
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Speaker 1: attorney general. There's something wrong with these people. They have
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Speaker 1: made it very clear they have no intention of working
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Speaker 1: with ICE. I mean in places as far away as Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: Idiots there like the DA there is saying he will
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Speaker 1: arrest ICE agents if they show up and try to
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Speaker 1: do their jobs. What do you make of what you're
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Speaker 1: hearing from the top level governance in your state that
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Speaker 1: not only we're not going to work with ICE, we're
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Speaker 1: going to protect our immigrant neighbors. When they say things
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Speaker 1: like that, they're literally saying, we're going to protect those
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Speaker 1: we know broke the law, and we will impede the
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Speaker 1: ability of the federal government to do the job that
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Speaker 1: they're charged with doing, which is enforcing immigration and customs
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Speaker 1: enforcement or laws. What do you make of that coming
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Speaker 1: from the top level in the state of Arizona.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, jil, it's completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: And these are the same people that when we as
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Speaker 3: Arizona's did try to say we're going to take this
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Speaker 3: in matter into our own hands.
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Speaker 2: Back in twenty ten, we pass.
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Speaker 3: SP ten seventy saying it would be against the law
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Speaker 3: to be in the country in Arizona if you were
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Speaker 3: in the country illegally. We could actually make that a
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Speaker 3: state law, and they fought against it. They said, no,
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Speaker 3: this is a federal issue. Well, now that we have
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Speaker 3: the federal government trying to do their job, the state
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Speaker 3: is now saying, our governor and the Attorney general is
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Speaker 3: saying no, no, no, we don't want the federal government here.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you can't. You got to pick your poison here.
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Speaker 3: And in this particular case, I think they are absolutely
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Speaker 3: wrong and they're not in line with the majority of
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Speaker 3: Arizonans who say, yes, we do want you to take
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Speaker 3: border security seriously, and we do want you to remove
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Speaker 3: people that are in this country illegally. And so I
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Speaker 3: think that the hopefully the elections this fall will reflect
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Speaker 3: how the voters feel about the governor and the Attorney
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Speaker 3: general and their decisions to push back against ICE and
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Speaker 3: the federal government. And really it boils down to pushing
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Speaker 3: back because they really can't. They hate President Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: and that's a problem when you need to actually serve
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Speaker 3: the people. Well, you can't let your hate for somebody
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Speaker 3: else dictate how you do that job.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. SP ten seventy, of course,
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Speaker 1: was by jan Brewer, and the Obama administration sued Arizona
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Speaker 1: to say, we Obama and Eric Holder at the time
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Speaker 1: are the ones who are in charge of immigration and
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Speaker 1: customs enforcement. You can't do it. It was just SP
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Speaker 1: ten seventy was literally just mirroring the federal laws against
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Speaker 1: coming here illegally, and they said, no, it's our purview,
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Speaker 1: we have to do it. The judge and the courts
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Speaker 1: all agreed, Yeah, of course, it's the executive's job to
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Speaker 1: do it. Then they didn't do it, so they said
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Speaker 1: you can't do it, Brewer, do it, Mark Lamb, We're
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Speaker 1: going to do it, and then they ignored it and
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Speaker 1: change their policies when it comes to enforcement. You could
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Speaker 1: not be more correct, sheriff when you say, if you
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Speaker 1: didn't want us to do it, and now you're not
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Speaker 1: gonna let them do it, who does it? And I
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Speaker 1: think the inswer is they just want to open borders.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the end result? They just want open borders
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Speaker 1: and they hope all those people will vote for them too.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is. They want open borders. That's
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Speaker 3: why they don't want to fix voting through the Save
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Speaker 3: America Act. That's why Democrats in the Senate and even
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Speaker 3: in the House are still fighting against an issue that
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Speaker 3: eighty percent of Republicans agree with. That's why they continue
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Speaker 3: to push a socialist agenda because they want to undo America.
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Speaker 3: They want to tear down our borders, and it opened
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Speaker 3: it up for all. And you can see in New
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Speaker 3: York quickly how quickly they're finding out that doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: You run out of other people's money at some point,
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Speaker 3: and if we continue to go down this road, we're
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Speaker 3: already thirty nine trillion dollars in debt, and as a state,
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Speaker 3: we're going to continue to run out of other people's
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Speaker 3: money if we keep pushing down this very dangerous socialist road.
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Speaker 3: But you're right in the end, what they want is
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Speaker 3: open borders because they really want to tear down what
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Speaker 3: America has been for a long time. And we can
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Speaker 3: only keep America the way it's been if we keep
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Speaker 3: strong borders, and we haven't had that with the four
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Speaker 3: years under Joe Biden, and now they continue to get
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Speaker 3: in the way, even though President Trump has fixed it
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Speaker 3: and is trying to fit to provide some long term solutions.
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Speaker 1: Larry Krashner is a guy in Philadelphia that I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: Larry Krashner came out on a microphone on a camera
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Speaker 1: and he said, we will arrest and prosecute anybody who
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Speaker 1: comes here and starts picking up people in our city.
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Speaker 1: He basically said he's going to start arresting ICE agents.
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Speaker 1: As a sheriff, you have a lot of sway because
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Speaker 1: you're elected by the people. You don't answer to the mayor,
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Speaker 1: you don't answer to the county executive. You don't enter
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Speaker 1: to the governor necessarily, although you can work with them.
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Speaker 1: But if you're a police a chief in Philadelphia and
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Speaker 1: the DA says you need to start arresting ice agents,
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Speaker 1: what do you do?
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Speaker 2: Me?
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Speaker 1: Enforcement say I'm not doing that. What's the matter with you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say I'm not doing that because there's
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Speaker 3: the constitution says otherwise. Now, look, I can understand if
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Speaker 3: you're going to stand against the federal government if they're
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Speaker 3: doing things like impeding the Second Amendment, which they do
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Speaker 3: all the time in all the places like Philadelphia. They
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Speaker 3: always impede the second Man or impeding somebody's first Amendment. Right,
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Speaker 3: But when the government is decided, when we've all voted
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Speaker 3: and they've passed laws to say that immigration and border
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Speaker 3: security and removing people from this country is a federal
16:32
Speaker 3: government an issue and you cannot come into this country illegally,
16:36
Speaker 3: then we need to support that. You can't go arrest
16:39
Speaker 3: people for doing their job. I think he puts himself
16:42
Speaker 3: in a very tough position, possibly even breaking the law
16:46
Speaker 3: if he continues to go down that road. But any
16:48
Speaker 3: law enforcement person there, unless they are violating breaking a
16:52
Speaker 3: law or violating a constitutional right the government right now
16:56
Speaker 3: is acting within the scope of their authority.
16:59
Speaker 1: Of course they are, or else we just let twenty
17:00
Speaker 1: million extra people just hang out here. Mark, do you
17:03
Speaker 1: feel like elections are going to be fair and free
17:05
Speaker 1: if we don't pass the Save America Act? And let
17:08
Speaker 1: me throw this out there, because you've got like firsthand experience.
17:11
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me, and maybe this was a mistake,
17:13
Speaker 1: but in your county, didn't they have fewer Republican ballots
17:18
Speaker 1: than they had Democrat ballots? We know that Carry Lake
17:20
Speaker 1: has told us that the ballots were nineteen inches when
17:23
Speaker 1: they had to be twenty inches, so the machines weren't
17:25
Speaker 1: reading them right. That area of Arizona is not really
17:29
Speaker 1: a great area when it comes to talking about how
17:31
Speaker 1: great elections are going, especially Mara Copa County, not your county,
17:34
Speaker 1: but Americopa County. What a mess. There was no chain
17:38
Speaker 1: of custody for the ballots. They took them in bags
17:41
Speaker 1: and brought them somewhere else, Mark, do you trust the
17:43
Speaker 1: elections coming up?
17:46
Speaker 3: Look, Americopa County is four point five million people. It's
17:49
Speaker 3: one of the largest counties in the country. It is huge.
17:52
Speaker 3: There's a ton of people in it. We investigated a
17:56
Speaker 3: ton into any of any fraudulent claims in our county.
18:01
Speaker 3: We weren't finding the same claims that were being made
18:04
Speaker 3: from those things in Maricopa County. We actually used those
18:07
Speaker 3: to go and clean up our voter rolls. I put
18:10
Speaker 3: cameras on all of our ballot boxes to ensure that
18:12
Speaker 3: people were not dropping off more ballots than they were
18:15
Speaker 3: supposed to, and then we allowed the public to come
18:17
Speaker 3: in and see it as well. We put a lot
18:19
Speaker 3: of measures in place in Panal County to make sure
18:22
Speaker 3: that we didn't have it. Now, when they did the
18:24
Speaker 3: hand count, they found out that the handcount had a
18:29
Speaker 3: human era of one hundred.
18:30
Speaker 2: And eighty ballots. They corrected that. We took it on
18:34
Speaker 2: the chin for that in our county.
18:35
Speaker 3: Obviously that wasn't the Sheriff's office, but you know, I
18:38
Speaker 3: it was part of our county. We have tried to
18:41
Speaker 3: correct any problems in our county. Where we struggle is
18:44
Speaker 3: in the county that has four point five million people.
18:47
Speaker 2: The amount of the.
18:49
Speaker 3: The the area that you have to work with in
18:53
Speaker 3: to create fraud is much broader than most places in
18:56
Speaker 3: this country, and.
18:58
Speaker 1: It's a major problem. That's why I asked about the
18:59
Speaker 1: Same America Act. The bottom line is, I believe those
19:03
Speaker 1: who are oneligible or ineligible to vote are voting. I
19:07
Speaker 1: know that it's happening on a small level, because even
19:09
Speaker 1: the left admits it's on a small level, but I
19:12
Speaker 1: believe it's on a widespread level. Why what's the problem
19:15
Speaker 1: with saying, I'm an American citizen, here's my photo ID,
19:18
Speaker 1: let me go vote. Why is that such a hard
19:20
Speaker 1: thing for people to understand. Even some on the right
19:22
Speaker 1: don't get it.
19:24
Speaker 3: There is no problem with that, and I don't understand
19:28
Speaker 3: why it's so hard for these people to accept. And frankly,
19:32
Speaker 3: it's actually kind of demeaning to other people and other
19:36
Speaker 3: races when you say, well, some people don't have the
19:39
Speaker 3: ability to go get an ID, and that way where
19:43
Speaker 3: we better look out for them. Everybody can go get
19:46
Speaker 3: an ID, and everybody black, white, Hispanic, Republicans, Democrats, eighty
19:51
Speaker 3: percent of Americans say we think it's okay to ask
19:55
Speaker 3: for an ID when you go and vote.
19:57
Speaker 2: As a matter of.
19:57
Speaker 3: Fact, that should be the highest bar that we set
20:00
Speaker 3: for the American people is being able to prove that
20:03
Speaker 3: you're a citizen before you vote. The founding fathers will
20:07
Speaker 3: be rolling over in their graves knowing what we've done
20:09
Speaker 3: with the voting in this country.
20:11
Speaker 1: I could agree with you more. And I certainly believe
20:13
Speaker 1: illegal aliens are voting. That's why the left is so
20:15
Speaker 1: against it. They'd hate to get rid of their voting base.
20:17
Speaker 1: It is Sheriff Mark Lamb retired, but now County Arizona
20:21
Speaker 1: District five. What's the main city is a Chandler. What's
20:23
Speaker 1: the main city in District five.
20:26
Speaker 3: Well, we've got Gilbert, We've got South Chandler, so about
20:29
Speaker 3: half a Chandler. We've got Queen Creek, We've got Santan Valley,
20:34
Speaker 3: East Mesa and Apache Junction. All of those are in
20:37
Speaker 3: the CED five. And it's a great district. It's a
20:41
Speaker 3: really red district. We should do really well in it.
20:45
Speaker 3: And he's done a good job. He's been winning by
20:47
Speaker 3: twenty points in his elections on the general election. So
20:50
Speaker 3: let's hope that we can we can perform just as
20:54
Speaker 3: strong as he did. And also let's hope that he
20:56
Speaker 3: gets in the governor's office in Arizona because we need that.
21:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife actually went to school in Chandler for
21:02
Speaker 1: a while. They used to live there a long time ago.
21:04
Speaker 1: We've been to the area. It's absolutely beautiful. If somebody
21:08
Speaker 1: is going to that area, what is the chief like
21:10
Speaker 1: if they're gonna move there? What is the chief concern
21:12
Speaker 1: for residents there that they want somebody representing them in
21:15
Speaker 1: Washington to make sure they take that they take care
21:17
Speaker 1: of it. Is it illegal immigration? What's the big issue?
21:19
Speaker 1: Is it the economy.
21:22
Speaker 3: Look, I'm still talking to people every I go out
21:24
Speaker 3: and I'm on the campaign trail. Accountabilities is a really
21:27
Speaker 3: big one. Elections is still a big one. Immigration is
21:31
Speaker 3: still probably the top one. The economy has got people
21:35
Speaker 3: a little concerned right now, the price of gas and
21:38
Speaker 3: a lot of other things. Obviously, the war and Iran's
21:41
Speaker 3: got people a little concerned. So these are some of
21:43
Speaker 3: the things I'm dealing with. We have a very strong
21:45
Speaker 3: Christian base in this county and those are some of them.
21:50
Speaker 3: If I were to knock out four concerns, those would
21:52
Speaker 3: probably be the main concerns.
21:54
Speaker 2: For these folks.
21:55
Speaker 1: Sure, if you really want to go live in Washington, really, yeah,
21:58
Speaker 1: here's such an Arizona I mean, I look at you
22:01
Speaker 1: like this is because this guy personifies Arizona and Americana.
22:04
Speaker 1: But you're willing to go there to do the job.
22:07
Speaker 1: But it's a swamp mark. It's horrible there.
22:11
Speaker 2: Look.
22:11
Speaker 3: I love this country, and I think freedom is worth
22:14
Speaker 3: fighting for. And we've had a lot of great patriots
22:17
Speaker 3: who have fought and bled and sacrificed time away from
22:21
Speaker 3: their families, from their jobs. They've sacrificed money, They've sacrificed
22:26
Speaker 3: their sacred lives and their honors to be able to
22:29
Speaker 3: serve the people of this country because it's worth it.
22:32
Speaker 3: Freedom is worth fighting for. And that's how I feel.
22:34
Speaker 3: If it means I've got to go to Washington, d C.
22:37
Speaker 3: To do it, then so be it. Let's do it.
22:39
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to do it. And it's not in my
22:41
Speaker 3: nature to watch somebody else run in the birding building
22:44
Speaker 3: while I stand on the corner and twiddle my thumbs.
22:47
Speaker 3: I'm capable of doing something about it. I'm in a
22:49
Speaker 3: place in life where I can do something about it
22:51
Speaker 3: while it is not convenient and while it will be
22:54
Speaker 3: a sacrifice on many levels, somebody's got to be willing
22:57
Speaker 3: to do it, and I feel blessed.
22:58
Speaker 2: To be in a position to do it.
23:00
Speaker 3: And I hope you plead people of Arizona will send
23:03
Speaker 3: me to be their fighter for him in Washington, d C.
23:06
Speaker 1: I think that'd be great. I hope that it happens.
23:07
Speaker 1: Go to Sherifflamb dot com. Sheriff Lamb dot com, Go
23:10
Speaker 1: support as candidcy go follow them everywhere on social media
23:12
Speaker 1: as well. Mark, I know that you're not this guy
23:15
Speaker 1: because again, huge presence and you're very, very independent. But
23:18
Speaker 1: when you get there, you know the old guard is
23:20
Speaker 1: going to try to say, hey, you're going to vote
23:21
Speaker 1: with us, right, how do you deal with that? Have
23:23
Speaker 1: you already talked with some other Arizona Republicans? Have you
23:26
Speaker 1: talked with anybody else who's in the House of Representatives
23:28
Speaker 1: or the Senate from other states as well? How do
23:31
Speaker 1: you go there and maintain your independence and be a
23:33
Speaker 1: strong voice from day one? You're going to be a
23:36
Speaker 1: freshman representative should you win.
23:40
Speaker 2: Look, Joe, I've done it the way I've always done it.
23:42
Speaker 3: I'm an authentic, unapologetic defender of God, family, freedom in
23:46
Speaker 3: the Constitution. I think when you follow those things and
23:48
Speaker 3: you stick to your values, it is your compass. Whether
23:52
Speaker 3: it's difficult or not, you will it gives you that bearing,
23:57
Speaker 3: that true bearing to be able to walk to.
24:00
Speaker 2: And uh that's what I have to rely on. But
24:02
Speaker 2: I do.
24:02
Speaker 3: I talk to Eli Crane and Paul Gosar and Andy
24:05
Speaker 3: Biggs and a lot of other great representatives who have
24:09
Speaker 3: actually had to stand against even their own party and
24:12
Speaker 3: some things to say no, this is what's right and constitutional,
24:16
Speaker 3: and uh so I've talked to them a lot. But
24:18
Speaker 3: in the end, I've got to go there and be
24:21
Speaker 3: my person and represent the people that sent me back
24:24
Speaker 3: there to Washington, d C.
24:25
Speaker 2: To represent.
24:26
Speaker 3: So I know it's not gonna be easy, but somebody's
24:30
Speaker 3: got to do it. And I feel like, well, who
24:32
Speaker 3: better than a sheriff. I mean, look, I was one
24:35
Speaker 3: of the few people standing against COVID back several years
24:38
Speaker 3: ago and standing out and being a voice against you know,
24:41
Speaker 3: the the Biden administration for so many years.
24:45
Speaker 2: We're gonna do the best we can. We're God will
24:48
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll continue to do his will.
24:50
Speaker 1: Let me finish with this because you always worked very
24:52
Speaker 1: very well with the DHS under President Trump, of course
24:56
Speaker 1: DHS under under Biden. I don't think you ever talked
24:58
Speaker 1: to my orchest. Maybe once. But with Mark Wayne Mullen
25:01
Speaker 1: coming in, do you know him first of all, and
25:03
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that change of guard at DHS.
25:06
Speaker 1: Is that going to be a positive thing for Arizona
25:07
Speaker 1: and for the country.
25:10
Speaker 2: I think so.
25:10
Speaker 3: Look, Mark muy Mullen is a great guy. I've met
25:13
Speaker 3: him once twice. I've given him some challenge coins every
25:17
Speaker 3: time I meet him.
25:18
Speaker 2: Look, the guy's a fighter.
25:19
Speaker 3: He's a good blue collar American, red blooded American. He
25:24
Speaker 3: wants to protect this country. I don't this is nothing
25:28
Speaker 3: against Christy Nome. I think it's good to have a
25:30
Speaker 3: change of guard sometimes, especially as tough as this fight
25:34
Speaker 3: spen the first year and now we're getting into the
25:36
Speaker 3: second year and it's not going to get any easier.
25:40
Speaker 3: I think it's a good switch and give these guys
25:42
Speaker 3: another leader to charge after, you know, charge the charge
25:45
Speaker 3: the castle with, you know.
25:47
Speaker 2: And I think Mark Wayne Mullen is a good guy
25:48
Speaker 2: for that.
25:49
Speaker 1: Well, along those lines, I know that you know border
25:51
Speaker 1: patrol agents, I know that you know you know leadership
25:53
Speaker 1: on the border there in the area. What are they saying,
25:55
Speaker 1: is there like a sea change between how it was
25:58
Speaker 1: being in that job under Biden and now being in
26:01
Speaker 1: night job under Trump.
26:04
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look, Border Patrol overnight they were loving it.
26:07
Speaker 3: You know, they were back to being able to do
26:09
Speaker 3: their job. There's been a lot of strain put on.
26:11
Speaker 3: There's a lot of work going on for ICE. They've
26:13
Speaker 3: had to pull people from BP, Bureau of Prisons, They've
26:17
Speaker 3: pulled people from other government organizations to be able to
26:20
Speaker 3: accomplish the mission of ICE. So look, that's been a
26:23
Speaker 3: lot of work for these guys. But they're still they
26:25
Speaker 3: still are getting up and going out and putting the
26:28
Speaker 3: badge on and doing the honorable thing when they go
26:30
Speaker 3: out to work. And so God bless these guys from
26:33
Speaker 3: being willing to do it. I know that the Border
26:36
Speaker 3: Patrol is happy to be able to get back and
26:39
Speaker 3: be able to secure their border. And we need to
26:42
Speaker 3: continue to support the men and women that are actually
26:44
Speaker 3: out there enforcing the other laws that Congress and centered
26:47
Speaker 3: his past as well as relates to immigration.
26:50
Speaker 1: Well, I think it makes a lot of sense to
26:51
Speaker 1: have you in Washington to represent the district. I pray
26:53
Speaker 1: that it happened, sherifflim dot com and ano that your
26:56
Speaker 1: voice and your knowledge of the border is going to
26:58
Speaker 1: be exponentially helpful for anybody at DHS. Another mark Waynemullen
27:02
Speaker 1: will probably turn to you for that. And and I
27:03
Speaker 1: hope you get to talk to President Trump a lot
27:06
Speaker 1: about going forward and making sure because the attack on
27:08
Speaker 1: the immigration policies of this president they're real and if
27:13
Speaker 1: should the Democrats get the control of the House, they're
27:15
Speaker 1: going to impeach them every day and do all they
27:17
Speaker 1: can to stop us from enforcing the border. So I
27:19
Speaker 1: think that your voice, your presence, and your knowledge is
27:21
Speaker 1: going to be key. I really hope that you win.
27:23
Speaker 1: Sherifflamb dot com. Let any final words on that, Sheriff.
27:27
Speaker 3: Now, look, thank you for always having me on, Thanks
27:30
Speaker 3: for the kind words, and I'm looking forward to getting
27:33
Speaker 3: there in Washington, DC, getting in the Fox Hall with
27:35
Speaker 3: President Trump and other great guys and fighting for the
27:38
Speaker 3: American people.
27:40
Speaker 1: You are the man. I pray that it happens. Go
27:41
Speaker 1: to Sherifflame dot com and go support the candidacy. Sheriff,
27:44
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always, Thank.
27:45
Speaker 2: You, Thank you. We'll talk to you that, Jeff.
27:48
Speaker 1: Of all the stories I've covered, this one has certainly
27:50
Speaker 1: gotten the most interest out of people like you who
27:53
Speaker 1: check out my channel. I've gained a ton of subscribers
27:55
Speaker 1: from it. It's not necessarily a true crime channel, but
27:58
Speaker 1: it's certainly a channel that's gonna tend to give you
28:01
Speaker 1: a different scoop on exactly what the news is. We've
28:03
Speaker 1: brought you FBI investigators, We've brought you people that worked
28:06
Speaker 1: at local sheriff's office that are next door. We've talked
28:09
Speaker 1: to people from the FBI, both now and formerly of
28:12
Speaker 1: the FBI, and hopefully we've brought you a perspective that
28:15
Speaker 1: makes some sense. The reason why this story is so important.
28:18
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of people who got in a
28:19
Speaker 1: hold of me said, you know, I know a missing
28:22
Speaker 1: person's case in my town, and nobody's given it anywhere
28:25
Speaker 1: near this much attention. It's not fair that she's getting
28:27
Speaker 1: all this attention, whether you like it or not. Savannah
28:30
Speaker 1: Guthrie has millions and millions of people that watch her
28:33
Speaker 1: on the Today Show every day. They have for many,
28:36
Speaker 1: many years. They probably knew of Nancy Guthrie, her mother,
28:39
Speaker 1: because Savannah talked about her mother all the time, and
28:42
Speaker 1: in fact, Nancy Guthrie has been on the Today Show.
28:45
Speaker 1: There's intrigue here because it's somebody who's elderly in her eighties.
28:49
Speaker 1: My mother's in her eighties. We all have loved ones
28:52
Speaker 1: that are getting older. Now, it's somebody living alone, somebody
28:55
Speaker 1: who lived nearby, some relatives, somebody who has a very
28:59
Speaker 1: famous dog, and all of that goes in. I will
29:02
Speaker 1: take you back to I believe it was nineteen twenty
29:04
Speaker 1: seven when the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped and ended up
29:08
Speaker 1: not being alive when they found her. When this child
29:11
Speaker 1: was kidnapped, Charles Lindbergh was a very, very big deal.
29:15
Speaker 1: He was a guy who did all these flights that
29:18
Speaker 1: nobody had done before as a pilot. So when the
29:20
Speaker 1: baby disappeared and the person who took the baby or
29:23
Speaker 1: the people wanted a ransom, this was a major story.
29:27
Speaker 1: Didn't mean that Lindbergh was more important than you or me.
29:30
Speaker 1: Didn't mean that this was a more important person than
29:32
Speaker 1: somebody who's missing from your local area or from school.
29:35
Speaker 1: But it did give extra intrigue because it was somebody
29:37
Speaker 1: that was known by so many, So immediately a lot
29:40
Speaker 1: of people wanted to know exactly what was going on
29:43
Speaker 1: in this case with Nancy Guthrie. We don't know what's
29:46
Speaker 1: going on, So let me ask you the question. Do
29:48
Speaker 1: you think that she's still alive? Do you think she
29:50
Speaker 1: might be in Mexico? Do you think that we might
29:52
Speaker 1: eventually find a solution here? Because there are some cases
29:55
Speaker 1: that go back through the annals of time that never
29:59
Speaker 1: gets so and I don't want this to be one
30:01
Speaker 1: of those cases. So leave a comment to let me
30:02
Speaker 1: know exactly what you think is going on. And do
30:04
Speaker 1: you think it's unfair that she gets this so much
30:06
Speaker 1: attention when others don't