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Desperate search for College coed Mollie Tibbetts, pig farmer questioned third time · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious X Him Triumph
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Speaker 1: in the last our friends and relatives holding a prayer
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Speaker 1: service for a missing co ed Molly Tibbets. Tippets goes
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Speaker 1: out on an evening jog still daylight, we believe, and
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Speaker 1: has never seen again. Where is Molly? I Meancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: The search goes on from Molly Tibbitts as new evidence
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Speaker 1: and information comes in by the hour. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to what her dad just said. I think someone went
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Speaker 1: to the house that Molly knew or that Molly trusted,
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Speaker 1: and she left with them willingly, and now they're in
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Speaker 1: over their head and they don't know what to do.
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Speaker 1: Interesting that that is the theory her dad has come
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Speaker 1: up with. Um, what is leading him to this conclusion?
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Speaker 1: You know, that's what investigators do. They piece together all
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Speaker 1: the evidence and they come up with a theory. And
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Speaker 1: listen to me. Her father is saying these these theories
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Speaker 1: for a reason. This is based on what he has learned,
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Speaker 1: what he has been told, what he has observed, what
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Speaker 1: he knows of Molly. He's not just grasping this out
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Speaker 1: of thin air. Molly tib It's a gorgeous young girl
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Speaker 1: with her future in front of her, a daycare counselor
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Speaker 1: set to go on a field trip the following morning,
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Speaker 1: when everything goes dark with me Lee Egan, Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologist,
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Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, death investigator,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet and Professor Forensics at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Vincent Hill, cop turned private eye, and
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke l A Jackie Howard in the studio here
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Speaker 1: with me as we bring you the latest to the
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Speaker 1: search for Molly. If you have a tip, if you
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Speaker 1: have a question or a theory, call us nine zero
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Speaker 1: nine four nine to Crime nine zero nine four nine
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Speaker 1: to seven four six three. Let's go straight to the lines. Alan,
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Speaker 1: give me the first caller. Nancy. We love your show,
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Speaker 1: we watch it all the time. We've been following the
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Speaker 1: Molly Tippett's case very carefully, and you know, we just
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Speaker 1: had a few questions and I'm not sure if you've
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Speaker 1: already addressed them on maybe an episode we missed or
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Speaker 1: at the time we missed, but We're wondering have they
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Speaker 1: taken cadaver dogs down to the pig farm to see
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Speaker 1: if there's any sign that there had been live for
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Speaker 1: somebody there at one time. And I think they need
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Speaker 1: to be looking into this brother a little bit further.
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Speaker 1: I know he dropped her off, and then she may
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Speaker 1: have told him that she was going to go out
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Speaker 1: for a run and he may have waited for her.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just a thought that we've been having.
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Speaker 1: We've been following the story very closely. My name is
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Speaker 1: Weslie Toms. Thanks Nancy, Leslie, and San Diego, thanks for calling.
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Speaker 1: Let's address that right now. Leslie number one say dogs
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Speaker 1: were taken to the pig farm according to our sources.
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Speaker 1: Now were they cadaver dogs that I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: dogs were spotted near the farm. I cannot imagine to
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator, that they would
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Speaker 1: go out with just tracker dogs. I mean, there is
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Speaker 1: a very very critical difference between tracker dogs and cadaver dogs. Scott, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there there is, Nancy, their trained for very specific jobs. Uh.
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Speaker 1: My thought is is that more than likely they have
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Speaker 1: taken cadaver dogs out. But as you can imagine, Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's something that they would not as of yet want
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Speaker 1: to release. Uh. They would want this to be seen
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Speaker 1: as an active investigation where they're looking for a person
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Speaker 1: that is still alive. Yeah, I mean that they're they're
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Speaker 1: trained differently, cadaver done have worked very closely with both
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Speaker 1: types of dogs, And I want to remind everybody this
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Speaker 1: is hard to believe, but in Hill, I know you'll
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Speaker 1: back me up about tracker dogs and cadaver dogs. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And when you think of like the Beverly Hillbillies, remember
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Speaker 1: Blue the Bloodhounds sitting on the front porch. It's not
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Speaker 1: like that, people, That's not what it's like. But uh,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, do you remember in the Scott Peterson case,
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Speaker 1: tracker dogs tracked Lacy peterson scent, not cadaver dogs. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's tracker dogs from her home all the
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Speaker 1: way to San Francisco Bay. Okay, that's forty five minutes away,
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Speaker 1: and she was in some type of a vehicle. What
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Speaker 1: about that, Vincent. That's a fact. Yeah, that's a fact.
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Speaker 1: Nancy and police use tracker dogs all the time. And
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Speaker 1: to Joseph's point, usually if they're using tracker dogs. It's
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Speaker 1: because they're looking for someone that's live. Cadaver dogs they
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Speaker 1: already know the outcome. They're looking forwardmains. Do you really
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Speaker 1: need cadaver dogs, especially like in a trash dump situation
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Speaker 1: where it's just she just cannot find cannot find the person.
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Speaker 1: The second part of Leslie's question, Leslie in San Diego,
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Speaker 1: don't feel bad about asking about the brother because in
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Speaker 1: this scenario, everybody's a suspect, and nobody is a suspect.
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Speaker 1: We are looking at every single person. They're saying, are
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Speaker 1: they not to leave? Egan Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Lee, Remember here's the goal standard Mark
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Speaker 1: class of class kids. When his daughter Polly was taken, uh,
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Speaker 1: sex assaulted and murdered. He's like, take my d NA,
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Speaker 1: search my place, search my car, I'll take a lie
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Speaker 1: detector chest. I'll do whatever you want to get past me,
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Speaker 1: Get past me, go look for the person that took
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Speaker 1: my child. So I'm sure the brother has no problem
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Speaker 1: stepping up and going sure, I'll take a Polly, I'll
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Speaker 1: take a I'll give you a DNA, whatever you need.
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Speaker 1: But Leslie's right, Leslie, You're right in San Diego, because
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Speaker 1: everybody brother, sister, boyfriend, dad, mom, neighbor, pizza delivery boy.
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Speaker 1: It gets starts at the beginning and moves out. Everybody
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Speaker 1: is a suspect. Nobody is a suspect. They have to
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Speaker 1: rule out everybody. Am I right about that? Lee Egan?
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Speaker 1: You are correct, Nancy. They have They're not really saying,
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Speaker 1: but the brothers have been ruled out according to the community.
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Speaker 1: The very latest that we are hearing is the father
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Speaker 1: believes that someone Molly knew came into the hume. Let's
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Speaker 1: go through the evidence as we know it right now.
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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts, a young co ed out for the summer,
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Speaker 1: about to restart school, goes missing on an evening run,
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Speaker 1: never seen again to Joe Scott Morgan in a nutshell.
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Speaker 1: Don't go death, come forward on me, Okay, just just
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Speaker 1: keep it in a nutshell. Tell me what the evidence
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Speaker 1: was at the scene that would lead the father to
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Speaker 1: believe somebody she knew came in and she went willingly
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Speaker 1: with them. Well, she's left everything behind, Nancy. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: there there's nothing there to indicate that there was forced
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Speaker 1: entry or ruggle. Uh, It's it's just simply she just
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Speaker 1: kind of vanished out of the door. So he doesn't
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Speaker 1: think that she was taken against her will, at least
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Speaker 1: that's his his impression, and that she just wandered out.
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Speaker 1: And keep in mind this is this is a very
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Speaker 1: peaceful place where people keep their doors unlocked. It's you know,
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Speaker 1: they painted this. This idea of the place is like Maybury. Almost.
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Speaker 1: Guys were talking about the missing co ed Molly Tippets.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what her boyfriend tells our friends
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Speaker 1: at w o A I t V Des Moines. This
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Speaker 1: is not like her. Donland Jack is living in a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: I figured, you know, and speak to her in an
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Speaker 1: hour or so, and right now it's one he can't
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Speaker 1: wake up from. I came home as soon as her
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Speaker 1: mom said that she called the hospital when she wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: The last time the twenty year old saw Molly was
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday at ten pm when he opened a snapchat
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Speaker 1: from her. It was just a selfie with the caption
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Speaker 1: and I remember what the caption said, but it looked
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Speaker 1: like she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear
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Speaker 1: from her again. When he said her early Thursday morning,
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Speaker 1: he didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her
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Speaker 1: friend called late that afternoon. One of her co workers
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Speaker 1: called me, said Molly had not called in to work
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Speaker 1: that day and she hadn't showed up. And then I
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Speaker 1: looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or read
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Speaker 1: any of them. So I started getting in contact with
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Speaker 1: her friends and her family, saying, hey, have you seen her?
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Speaker 1: Have you heard from her? And everybody came up with
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Speaker 1: the same thing. Now, I haven't seen her since yesterday,
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Speaker 1: Dalton says. The three years that two have been together,
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Speaker 1: they've been in zepy sweet. I've never seen her be
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Speaker 1: angry or mean to anybody in the almost three years
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Speaker 1: that we've been dating. To not know where she is
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Speaker 1: unsettling and he's gone numb. If this is her running off,
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Speaker 1: this is just no coming. Nobody would have ever guessed
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Speaker 1: that she would just take off and not tell anybody.
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Speaker 1: It is just, you know, an emotional roller coaster. It's
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Speaker 1: a nightmare she's unable to wake up from. Laura Calderwood
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Speaker 1: can't look anywhere in her hometown of Brooklyn, Iowa without
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Speaker 1: seeing her daughter Molly's face on a missing person and post.
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Speaker 1: It's a reality check every time I see one of
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Speaker 1: those posters. Also, you know it's like she's gone. Twenty
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Speaker 1: year old Molly Tibbots vanished nearly two weeks ago. Her
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Speaker 1: mom immediately knew something bad must have happened. I knew
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Speaker 1: something was terribly wrong. She would not go to work.
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Speaker 1: My greatest fear is that we wouldn't find her UM,
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Speaker 1: But I can't go there right now. Calderwood says Molly
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Speaker 1: was seen out on a jog around seven thirty pm
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Speaker 1: on ju To the best of my knowledge, I believe
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Speaker 1: she did make it home from the run and Um
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Speaker 1: was in Dalton's home. The family says evidence shows Tibbots
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Speaker 1: was doing homework on her computer after her john that night.
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Speaker 1: That is Laura Calderwood, Molly Tibbitts mom speaking to our
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Speaker 1: friends at k C C I t V. Laura Calderwood
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Speaker 1: out sir ching for her daughter. The days dragging on
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Speaker 1: since the disappearance of Molly Tibbits. In the last hours
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Speaker 1: where you learn a pig farmer, a pig farmer whose
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Speaker 1: farm is about ten miles from where Molly was last seen,
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Speaker 1: has in fact taken a polygraph test over Molly's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: To Lea Egan investigative reporter with crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: The pig Farmer at first indicated he had not taken
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Speaker 1: up pollies. That right, that is correct. He told several
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Speaker 1: reporters that that authorities asked him to take a light detector,
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Speaker 1: and he said, I have no reason to have nothing
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Speaker 1: to hide, so I'm not taking it. And then he
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Speaker 1: just decided that he wanted to tell everyone he did
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Speaker 1: take it. That's very unusual to care in Stark, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychologist joining us out of New York. Why would he
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Speaker 1: first say it's a waste of time. Those were his
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Speaker 1: exact words, It's just a waste of time, I guess,
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Speaker 1: referring to the polygraph, indicating he did not take it,
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Speaker 1: then later says he did take it. Why would he
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Speaker 1: publicly deny taking it and then reverse Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's it's a sign that you really can't trust what
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Speaker 1: he has to say. I think he's really basking in
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Speaker 1: the attention and leading people astray deliberately because he's kind
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Speaker 1: of having sun playing games with all of this. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it means he's guilty, but I think
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Speaker 1: he's having a good time getting all of this attention. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I would not be playing games
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Speaker 1: with the FEDS picking through my trash. I want to
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Speaker 1: look out the kitchen window. The FBI, now taking over
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Speaker 1: the case of Molly Tibbitt's disappearance, would not be playing games.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's doing, or if
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Speaker 1: he was embarrassed he took a polygraph, or for some
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Speaker 1: reason I wanted to hide the fact that he had
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Speaker 1: taken a polygraph, which leads you to wonder did he
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Speaker 1: pass it or not? Why would he cover that up.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the lines. Joining me right now. Joe
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Speaker 1: in Florida. Hi Joe, what's your question theory? Hi Da Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I have a couple of comments about this sad case,
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Speaker 1: and one of them is, and it doesn't doesn't refer
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Speaker 1: to the victims problem, but the big culture in small
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Speaker 1: town America of leaving doors open baffles me, because what
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Speaker 1: are people trying to prove that they trust everyone? Uh,
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Speaker 1: you want to leave the door open if you're in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom and some stranger comes in and you're almost helpless.
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Speaker 1: That really bothers me that culture. And the other is
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Speaker 1: the fortitude and magnificent ability of the father to state
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Speaker 1: unequivocally his feeling that she's alive, and the way he
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Speaker 1: is able to talk with very little information. I think
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Speaker 1: his ability to communicate is as good as anyone I've
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Speaker 1: ever heard who has a lost one, a loved one
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Speaker 1: in trouble. You know, Joe, H and Flora to things
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Speaker 1: Number one. I agree with you about the father. You know,
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Speaker 1: if it were my dad, I would probably be a
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Speaker 1: puddle on the floor. He was so sentimental, Joe. Um,
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Speaker 1: this dad has so much strength. I think my dad
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Speaker 1: would rally and do what he had to do to
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Speaker 1: find me. I agree with you about the father, but
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Speaker 1: I do take issue in something you said, Joe about
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Speaker 1: small town America. I don't think that when people leave
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Speaker 1: their door unlock they're trying to prove anything to anybody.
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Speaker 1: I think that's just the way they were raised. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they've never been broken in on before. There's a low crime.
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Speaker 1: Crime is not a part of their life. They're not
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Speaker 1: conditioned to it. They're very trusting because they have no
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Speaker 1: reason not to be trusting. So to take a swipe
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Speaker 1: as at as you say, quote small town America, your
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Speaker 1: words not mine. Remember you're talking to someone from an
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Speaker 1: air you up where there was nothing as far as
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Speaker 1: I could see, but soybean fields and tall pine trees. Now,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, however, we did grow up locking the door.
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Speaker 1: But that that smells faintly a victim blaming. And I
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Speaker 1: don't like that. Joe in Florida. And I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: why you could say that about any woman. Why was
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Speaker 1: she jogging? It's her fault. Why did she have on
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Speaker 1: a jogging bra, that's her fault. Why was this girl here?
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Speaker 1: Why was that girl there? Why was her shirt? How
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Speaker 1: was her skirts so short? Why was this guy driving
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Speaker 1: fifty miles instead of forty five? I mean, it could
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Speaker 1: go on forever and ever and ever. Uh you know,
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Speaker 1: just recently, uh a shooting. A guy was mugged and
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Speaker 1: the purp took his wallet, and the guy says, well, Ken,
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Speaker 1: you at least give me my my driver's license so
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Speaker 1: I can catch a plane home from this wedding tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 1: So the perp shoots him and kills him. So is
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Speaker 1: that his faulty asked for his I D I mean
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Speaker 1: that could be argued, right, So you saying, Joe, and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a chance to defend yourself. What's
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Speaker 1: a small town America. What are they What are they
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Speaker 1: trying to prove? I don't think they're trying to prove anything.
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Speaker 1: Joe and Florida. Okay, maybe wait a minute, Wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: When you just say okay, that really takes the wind
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Speaker 1: out of my sales, because then I can't fight with
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Speaker 1: you anymore. Okay when you agree with me, I'm not
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Speaker 1: used to that. Well, I have something else to say
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Speaker 1: about it. Uh. Far far from blaming the victim for
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Speaker 1: something like that. Uh, it's just one of those things
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Speaker 1: that uh seems to be hopefully not but could be
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Speaker 1: at the root of how she disappeared. I believe my
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Speaker 1: belief is in knowing some facts that she returned to
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Speaker 1: her apartment, their apartment, I should say, and she was
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Speaker 1: adapted from there. And that's my belief and I believe that.
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Speaker 1: But why that's exactly what the father is saying. Well,
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Speaker 1: but that's my belief. Two. In other words, knowing somewhat
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Speaker 1: about the faction the case. Hold on just a moment, Joe. Joe, listen,
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Speaker 1: when I say why I need evidence, I have beliefs too,
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Speaker 1: But when you go to court, you have to have
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Speaker 1: evidence to back it up. You just can't come up
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Speaker 1: with a theory. Maybe she was waiting on the Great
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Speaker 1: Pumpkin to land and it took her off with it
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Speaker 1: to the pumpkin patch. You've got to have more than
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Speaker 1: a theory. But actually there is evidence to support your theory,
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Speaker 1: Joe if Florida, and that evidence is there was no
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Speaker 1: sign of any struggle. Nothing was taken from the home.
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Speaker 1: The dogs were still locked up in the basement. Now
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Speaker 1: that's what's leading a lot of people to believe she
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Speaker 1: was taken while she was out jogging, because when she
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Speaker 1: would go jogging, she would lock the dogs in the
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Speaker 1: basement and then let them out when she got back.
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Speaker 1: It's my understanding, league and investigative reporter that she actually
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Speaker 1: slept with the dogs sometimes. The only time the dogs
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Speaker 1: were not in the basement is I mean, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: The only times the dogs were in the basement is
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Speaker 1: when she was leaving. If she was there, the dogs
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Speaker 1: were out. If she sleeping, the dogs were with her.
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Speaker 1: According to her boyfriend, who said that the dogs pretty
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Speaker 1: much did what they wanted to throughout the house unless
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Speaker 1: somebody left. So that, yeah, that is correct. See, that's
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Speaker 1: what we call a clue. Back to the pig farmer.
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Speaker 1: The pig farmer actually taking a polygraph test over Molly
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Speaker 1: Tibbott's disappearance as the missing students. Boyfriend brother, who also
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Speaker 1: lived in the home, says no signs of struggle in
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Speaker 1: the home from where she vanished. This pig farmer takes
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Speaker 1: the polygraph says he does not know the results. At first,
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Speaker 1: fifty year old farmer refused the test, claiming it was stupid.
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Speaker 1: He was in question three times over Molly's disappearance. He
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Speaker 1: fell under scrutiny after a red shirt similar to the
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Speaker 1: one owned by Molly was found near his home. The
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Speaker 1: red shirt, I keep going back to it was significant
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Speaker 1: because why Lee egan. The red shirt is significant because
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Speaker 1: that is the shirt that Molly wars to her job
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Speaker 1: at a daycare center. She had three shirts. From what
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Speaker 1: we're being told, two shirts were accounted for and one
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Speaker 1: shirt was never found. That goes to the theory that
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Speaker 1: she was supposed to wear the shirt the following morning
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Speaker 1: because the children at daycare were going on a field trip,
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Speaker 1: the councilors wearing red shirts to be easily identifiable by
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Speaker 1: the children. Did she wake up the next morning, put
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Speaker 1: on the shirt and was then abducted another theory. But
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Speaker 1: before you make up your mind, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what Molly's dad, robbed Tibbitts tells our friends at Fox News.
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Speaker 1: This is Sandra Smith. Robin was the last time you
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Speaker 1: talked to Molly. I talked to Molly Sunday for about
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Speaker 1: three hours. We talked regularly on the phone. I live
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Speaker 1: in California, Um. She was out earlier this year from
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Speaker 1: my wedding, and so we just talked about She's going
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Speaker 1: to the Dominican Republic for a wedding her boyfriend's brother.
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Speaker 1: She's getting back to school books, she's reading just the
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Speaker 1: usual stuff. She was wearing a fitbit when she was running.
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Speaker 1: Authorities have at least told us that much. What can
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Speaker 1: you tell us tonight about how that's helping them track
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Speaker 1: down her whereabouts and where she might have been last
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Speaker 1: I don't know the authorities, as you said, our circumspect
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Speaker 1: with all of the information, and so they're not sharing
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Speaker 1: that sort of information with us. As well a lot
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Speaker 1: of questions about what state the house she was staying
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Speaker 1: in her boyfriend's house while he was off on this
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Speaker 1: um construction job and she was there dog sitting is
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Speaker 1: as much as we've been told. Something that has not
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Speaker 1: been mentioned much. Were the were the dogs there? Have
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Speaker 1: the dogs been found? Were they at home when authorities
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Speaker 1: arrived at the house. Yeah, the dogs are at the house.
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Speaker 1: I was just there yesterday and their in perfect condition.
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Speaker 1: Interesting And so now they're waiting for new evidence that
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Speaker 1: they may have new evidence in their possession. But are
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Speaker 1: they sharing that with you, Rob, No, they're not, and
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Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, the last thing the authorities want to
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Speaker 1: do is sharing probation that would give an advantage to
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Speaker 1: anybody who would need to use that. Right now, the
20:05
Speaker 1: last we heard before the latest developments was that the
20:09
Speaker 1: last she was seen or heard of was on that run.
20:12
Speaker 1: And now the new developments today is that the last
20:16
Speaker 1: she would have been seen was this photo she took
20:18
Speaker 1: snapchat to her boyfriend and it looked like she was indoors.
20:22
Speaker 1: Would it be like Molly to be working on her
20:23
Speaker 1: computer and doing homework late into the evening like they
20:26
Speaker 1: believed she was now, it wouldn't be unusual. When she
20:30
Speaker 1: was staying with us in California, UM, she was on
20:33
Speaker 1: the computer quite a bit. She was taking online courses,
20:36
Speaker 1: so that wouldn't be unusual but none of the timeline
20:40
Speaker 1: has been confirmed by the authorities, at least not to
20:42
Speaker 1: our knowledge. Um and so a lot of this is
20:45
Speaker 1: now conjecture and speculation that we just can't confirm. I'm
20:49
Speaker 1: the one that three red flags that she was missing.
20:51
Speaker 1: She hadn't called in, and I looked to my phone.
20:54
Speaker 1: I noticed that I had texted her goodeningning and she
20:56
Speaker 1: hadn't opened it. So I got ahold of all her friends.
20:59
Speaker 1: And you're hearing the sound of Molly Tibbits boyfriend as
21:04
Speaker 1: he is speaking out, speaking out regarding the last time
21:07
Speaker 1: he saw heard from Molly at this hour, cops need
21:13
Speaker 1: your help. The tip line eight hundred four or five
21:15
Speaker 1: to one one one one, Where is Molly? Eight hundred
21:18
Speaker 1: four or five to one one one one. As each
21:22
Speaker 1: day passes, the hope of bringing Molly home alive dwindles.
21:28
Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author and death investigator,
21:32
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, why is that? Why is it that as
21:35
Speaker 1: each day passes, the hope of bringing her home gets
21:39
Speaker 1: slimmer and slimmer. As we move forward in Tom Nancy,
21:43
Speaker 1: that that little light gets dimmer and dimmer. We're three
21:46
Speaker 1: weeks down range now and so as as that goes by,
21:50
Speaker 1: we're losing evidence. Memories are fading. Uh, you know, and
21:55
Speaker 1: and so and also whoever is responsible, there is a
22:00
Speaker 1: specific person responsible for this. Uh, they're getting more and
22:04
Speaker 1: more distance away from from the police and uh and
22:09
Speaker 1: that's that's a scary proposition. Man, straight out to the lines,
22:12
Speaker 1: joining me right now out of Batton Rage. Heather Harris, Hello,
22:16
Speaker 1: my Cajun friend. What's your question? Um? My question is
22:21
Speaker 1: I've heard some conflicting reports as to whether there were
22:25
Speaker 1: actually pigs on the pig farm that they have gone
22:29
Speaker 1: back and forth too. And I did read it over
22:31
Speaker 1: the weekend. The pig farmer did go ahead and take
22:33
Speaker 1: the lie detector tests, But have they confirmed whether they
22:36
Speaker 1: were actually pigs on his property or not? Because my
22:39
Speaker 1: biggest fear was that her potential remains were fed to
22:45
Speaker 1: the pigs. As awful as it sounds, Okay, guys, Heather
22:48
Speaker 1: Harris calling from Baton Rage. Heather, A lot of people
22:52
Speaker 1: would say that's a really far out question. The reality
22:57
Speaker 1: is we have heard of many, not just one, but
23:01
Speaker 1: many cases where victims were actually fed to pigs to eat.
23:09
Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. We have nothing to
23:12
Speaker 1: suggest that happened here. But to Lea Egan, Crime online
23:16
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, let's take a look at Heather's question,
23:21
Speaker 1: what do we know about the actual farm? Were there
23:24
Speaker 1: pigs on the farm according to the community, no, but
23:29
Speaker 1: authorities have not confirmed or denied that. All we have
23:32
Speaker 1: to go by is what the people around the area
23:35
Speaker 1: are saying, and they're saying that there have not been
23:37
Speaker 1: pigs on that farm for a while. Issues more like
23:40
Speaker 1: a processing center. So saying pig farmer, I I agree
23:44
Speaker 1: with Heather in baton rage. I just assume when you
23:47
Speaker 1: say pig farmer that there are pigs on the farm.
23:51
Speaker 1: But there's not. That's what you're telling me, Lee Egan,
23:53
Speaker 1: That's what the community says. And Shaney also said he
23:57
Speaker 1: sold that farm years ago, so he hasn't been an
24:00
Speaker 1: actual pig farmer in a while. Well, is he still
24:03
Speaker 1: living there? He does still lived there, and he does
24:05
Speaker 1: still on land, but he's not a pig farmer, so
24:09
Speaker 1: that could be. It could be possible he sold the pill,
24:12
Speaker 1: but it still answers Heather's question that there were not
24:14
Speaker 1: pigs there to destroy the evidence. Do I still have
24:17
Speaker 1: Heather with me right now? I am, yes, ma'am Heather.
24:21
Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? It just seems
24:23
Speaker 1: really strange that they've been over there to talk to
24:26
Speaker 1: him so many times. I just I I listened to
24:29
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morrigan talked the other day the last time
24:32
Speaker 1: you were talking about Miss Molly Pivots, and even he
24:35
Speaker 1: said that he just doesn't feel and I feel the
24:37
Speaker 1: same way that I feel like the authorities wouldn't waste
24:40
Speaker 1: so much time going back there talking to him over
24:42
Speaker 1: and over against there wasn't a reason. Yeah, I agree
24:45
Speaker 1: with you on that, Heather Harris. It could be something
24:48
Speaker 1: as simple as he's holding something back, something unrelated to
24:52
Speaker 1: this case, and they know he's holding back, so they
24:54
Speaker 1: keep circling back. They may need more questions answered that
24:58
Speaker 1: he's uh fusing to answer. They may come up with
25:02
Speaker 1: other questions. It could be anything, but it's not a
25:05
Speaker 1: good sign when the FED circle back and back and
25:08
Speaker 1: back to you. You're right, your intuition is correct. And
25:11
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York psychologist, when Heather says she's got
25:15
Speaker 1: a feeling that something's not right, please keep going back.
25:18
Speaker 1: You know, people say it's just a hunch and discount
25:22
Speaker 1: their feelings. But I've long said, Karen Stark and you
25:25
Speaker 1: and I've discussed this on TV many times. Hunches are
25:29
Speaker 1: the result of thousands of years of evolution of the
25:34
Speaker 1: human It's things that you noticed that you may not
25:38
Speaker 1: even know you noticed. It could be nonverbal, uh communication
25:43
Speaker 1: from a perpetrator, something you noticed subconsciously, something instinctive. But
25:50
Speaker 1: hunches are for real Karen Stark, Yes, and they need
25:53
Speaker 1: to be paid attention, to Nancy, because they are based
25:57
Speaker 1: on your own uncond just on the thing, just like
26:01
Speaker 1: you said, and acute sensitivity to the fact that you're
26:05
Speaker 1: picking up on something even if you're not aware of
26:08
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. And the fact that they kept
26:10
Speaker 1: going back to this guy, as I mentioned before, I
26:13
Speaker 1: think part of it is he's enjoying the media attention
26:17
Speaker 1: that aboven't beyond that they are picking up on something
26:21
Speaker 1: from hints, or they would not waste their time continuing
26:25
Speaker 1: to go back to someone. Now many people yes, jump here, yeah, listen.
26:30
Speaker 1: One of the other things we can't forget here and
26:32
Speaker 1: all of this. One of the reasons they zeroed in
26:34
Speaker 1: on this guy to begin with that I believe is
26:37
Speaker 1: that he correct me if I'm wrong he does have
26:39
Speaker 1: a history in his past, uh of of going after stalking, Yes, stalking,
26:47
Speaker 1: and that you know, which adds a whole another creepy level. Listen,
26:50
Speaker 1: this place is very small, Nancy. This this town itself,
26:53
Speaker 1: Brooklyn is less than fift people, so you don't have
26:58
Speaker 1: a wide variety of folks to to select from here. Uh,
27:02
Speaker 1: he's in proximity to this. That's gonna narrow this thing
27:05
Speaker 1: down relative to what the investigators are looking. That's what
27:08
Speaker 1: they said about Terra Grin Senate in took ten years. Yeah,
27:13
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not debating that. I'm just saying that, Well,
27:16
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. Let me follow up on what
27:19
Speaker 1: you're saying. And I hope Joe is still listening because
27:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him a prop here. It's such a
27:26
Speaker 1: small town with the door unlock, as he pointed out,
27:32
Speaker 1: to have a complete stranger just saunter into a small
27:36
Speaker 1: town like this one, somebody seeming you'd think would come
27:41
Speaker 1: forward and mentioned, hey I saw that guy. Although we
27:45
Speaker 1: have her an evidence of a black suv trolling the area,
27:49
Speaker 1: which lends credit to the father theory that she got
27:55
Speaker 1: into the car with someone that she knew or someone
28:01
Speaker 1: she knew of, someone that had a non threatening facade.
28:08
Speaker 1: Think about it. In the past week, Iowa investigators have
28:13
Speaker 1: canceled not one but two press conferences at the last
28:17
Speaker 1: minute with no explanation. I find that very very unusual.
28:24
Speaker 1: Does that mean they're working on a specific lead? To
28:28
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former cop turned p I to have the
28:32
Speaker 1: police cancel not one but two pressers at the last minute,
28:37
Speaker 1: I find that very telling, Vincent. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And
28:42
Speaker 1: to your point that maybe they're working on a different lead.
28:44
Speaker 1: I mean we mentioned in Black SUV. You know, if
28:47
Speaker 1: I was those investigators there, I would be checking d
28:50
Speaker 1: MB records in that town, who has in Black sub
28:54
Speaker 1: who may have known Molly, who may have been friends
28:57
Speaker 1: with Molly, who had an Internet with Molly, all of
28:59
Speaker 1: these things and so in in plus, keep in mind
29:03
Speaker 1: we still haven't nailed down the exact timeline. So I
29:09
Speaker 1: think when police start to think about it, let's not
29:12
Speaker 1: use press conferences if we can't give definitive answers. We
29:15
Speaker 1: have two and a half hours between the job seven thirty,
29:18
Speaker 1: she was seen and the boyfriend says there was a
29:20
Speaker 1: snapchat around ten the red shirt the next morning, so
29:23
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of unanswered questions. So maybe police
29:26
Speaker 1: are just saying, hey, let's not do this pressure until
29:28
Speaker 1: we can give definitive information. Well, you know what, Vincent,
29:32
Speaker 1: you're the cop with the former cop, not me. But
29:34
Speaker 1: if that was their theory, they would never call the
29:36
Speaker 1: press conference to start with. Okay, So the fact that
29:40
Speaker 1: they call it and then cancel it at the last minute,
29:43
Speaker 1: not once, but twice to me is significant. Um to
29:47
Speaker 1: Lee Egan, what more do we now? I want to
29:49
Speaker 1: follow up on? Joe Scott just told us about the
29:53
Speaker 1: pig farmers alleged. Well, it's not alleged. He played guilty
29:56
Speaker 1: to stalking. What else do we know about that? Lee? Yes,
29:59
Speaker 1: farmer girlfriend. We sently spoke to reporters out in Iowa
30:02
Speaker 1: and this happened just this past week or so. Apparently
30:07
Speaker 1: this is the lady who took out a restraining order
30:10
Speaker 1: on him and he was convicted of stalking. Her daughter
30:13
Speaker 1: was at an ice cream shop outside eating ice cream
30:16
Speaker 1: with a friend. Wayne Cheney reportedly pulls up, sees them,
30:20
Speaker 1: pulls right in front of them, gets out of his car,
30:23
Speaker 1: stands in front of them and just stares at them
30:25
Speaker 1: and will not leave. So in the girlfriend's mind. She's
30:29
Speaker 1: thinking he's capable of anything and she would not put
30:33
Speaker 1: anything past him. Okay, now hold on, let me just
30:36
Speaker 1: clarify something regarding what Ley just said. Lee Agan, that's
30:39
Speaker 1: what the ex girlfriend says. We have not confirmed that.
30:43
Speaker 1: We have not substantiated that. We do know that you
30:46
Speaker 1: have just got a right. He does have a stalking conviction.
30:50
Speaker 1: We know that. Tipline nine zero nine Crime nine zero
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Speaker 1: nine four two seven four six three call us with tipsies, Wayne,
31:03
Speaker 1: What what has it been like? Uh, these last you know,
31:06
Speaker 1: a few weeks. Take me through what the community has
31:10
Speaker 1: been going through. What you've been seeing the activity. I
31:13
Speaker 1: haven't really seen much, so I really don't know what's
31:15
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, I don't have no idea what
31:18
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's just a bad deal. What's been the
31:22
Speaker 1: I guess the hardest part because I can't find her? Um?
31:28
Speaker 1: How does that that's been impacting you even though you
31:30
Speaker 1: don't even know you know the person? Right? No, but
31:33
Speaker 1: I don't know her. Um? What's that like? Not knowing
31:36
Speaker 1: someone to being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know.
31:42
Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal, Um, you had said, you know,
31:45
Speaker 1: I mean We've heard different people, I mean all people
31:49
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, people out here, um at hog farms that
31:54
Speaker 1: that own, you know, different properties, police come in and
31:57
Speaker 1: going through. Think what was the situation like for you
32:00
Speaker 1: here and how they kind of approached everything. Oh, I
32:03
Speaker 1: don't know. Well to hear Cheney, the local pig farmer,
32:07
Speaker 1: he doesn't know much of anything. That's odd, right, doesn't
32:11
Speaker 1: know anything. I don't know how to explain that, but
32:16
Speaker 1: I do know the fans have spoken to him three
32:18
Speaker 1: times now, but they seem to have left him alone.
32:22
Speaker 1: We're referring to a pig farmer who looked about ten
32:24
Speaker 1: miles down the road from where Molly Tippittz was last
32:28
Speaker 1: seen alive. Theories are abounding as to her disappearance. That
32:33
Speaker 1: reward has now climbed to about three hundred thousand dollars
32:37
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars, with Molly's mother taking the unusual
32:42
Speaker 1: step of offering the money to the kidnapper if they
32:47
Speaker 1: bring Molly back. Call us with your questions, your tips,
32:51
Speaker 1: your theories. Nine four nine to crime nine O nine
32:55
Speaker 1: four nine two seven four six three. Let's go straight
32:58
Speaker 1: out to Tampa, Florida. What's a question? Hi, and answer, yes,
33:03
Speaker 1: I have a question for you for these missing children
33:06
Speaker 1: or kids or people, why can't we use satellite dishes
33:10
Speaker 1: to go in and pinpoint if we have a place
33:13
Speaker 1: and time someone was abducted or taken to actually use
33:18
Speaker 1: that footage to go in and look at who did it? Well,
33:21
Speaker 1: that's a good one, you know. I want to go
33:24
Speaker 1: to you on that one. Joe's got Morgan forensics expert
33:27
Speaker 1: death investigators. I have had that question asked many times,
33:32
Speaker 1: many many times, because we know that satellites are out there.
33:38
Speaker 1: We know that they can pick up on very minute details,
33:43
Speaker 1: to my understanding, even a license tag before. I also
33:47
Speaker 1: know that it's been tried in other cases to no avail.
33:51
Speaker 1: What do you make of that question? Well, yeah, there's
33:54
Speaker 1: something called geo special analysis uh nancy where uh satellite
33:59
Speaker 1: imagery can be honed in on specific areas and it's
34:02
Speaker 1: more of a probability uh exercise and probability where an
34:07
Speaker 1: individual may or may not have gone now as far
34:11
Speaker 1: as her uh them, having the absolute ability for them
34:16
Speaker 1: to track her specifically would be very difficult. And also
34:20
Speaker 1: in this period of time, there may not you know,
34:23
Speaker 1: you may not necessarily have a satellite that is passing
34:26
Speaker 1: over this area that could be tasked with that kind
34:28
Speaker 1: of job. It's called satellite imagery. Satellite imagery being used
34:34
Speaker 1: to solve cases in some instances. There are specialists in
34:39
Speaker 1: law and earth observation that have been working on many,
34:43
Speaker 1: many cases, including places as far away as Mexico, Chile, Nigeria.
34:48
Speaker 1: And these cases ranged from murders to you know, simple disputes.
34:54
Speaker 1: Seven of the cases that I know have have turned
34:57
Speaker 1: into full on investigations. But you've i to have data
35:01
Speaker 1: over a particular month season. It's very difficult to get
35:07
Speaker 1: the data. Um has it worked in the past. If so,
35:12
Speaker 1: it has not been publicized. To me, it seems like
35:16
Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare to try and do it. Uh. You know,
35:20
Speaker 1: we saw this same issue come up straight out to
35:23
Speaker 1: Alan Deep joining me in l A. You're very familiar
35:26
Speaker 1: with the Missy Beaver's case. I thought for sure the
35:29
Speaker 1: sting ray use um nyp D I believe brought in
35:35
Speaker 1: their sting ray equipment to Middle Lothian, Texas to try
35:39
Speaker 1: and grab all the cell phones used in the area
35:43
Speaker 1: where Missy Beavers was found dead within a certain period
35:46
Speaker 1: of hours. Okay, we got nothing, So very often the
35:50
Speaker 1: high high tech can be very questionable in certain cases. Well,
35:55
Speaker 1: the sting ray is just for use when something's happening
35:59
Speaker 1: at that time, when they're monitoring and tracking somebody then
36:02
Speaker 1: and this had already happened. But and Missy Beavers, the
36:04
Speaker 1: weird thing is, I think the police have a lot
36:06
Speaker 1: that they're not telling us about, and so maybe they
36:08
Speaker 1: do have imagery that that they're just not releasing. We
36:11
Speaker 1: know about those parking lot videos right right, right right,
36:15
Speaker 1: so that that came from the surveillance video at the
36:18
Speaker 1: gun store and the sports store, the video of the cars.
36:23
Speaker 1: But regarding high tech usage in crime solving, they keep
36:30
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff secret. We didn't even know
36:32
Speaker 1: about the steam Gray was kept secret for years before
36:36
Speaker 1: it leaked out, you know, Joe Scott to the the
36:40
Speaker 1: question regarding satellite imagery, back to your answer, there has
36:46
Speaker 1: to be a satellite in that area at that time.
36:49
Speaker 1: The likelihood of a satellite being over Brooklyn residents may
36:56
Speaker 1: be far fetched, but I think she's got a point.
37:00
Speaker 1: Why not try it? And I often say, Joe Scott,
37:03
Speaker 1: you know NASA could learn a thing or two from Target.
37:06
Speaker 1: Have you seen their video surveillance? I mean it's getting
37:09
Speaker 1: better and better by the minute. Yeah, and I think
37:11
Speaker 1: that as Tom goes by, this is going to improve exponentially.
37:16
Speaker 1: That ain't helping Molly's parents though, Jo, it's not. But
37:19
Speaker 1: what you can look forward quickly with a lot of
37:22
Speaker 1: these imageries is changes in landscape, particularly when you're talking
37:26
Speaker 1: about clandestine burials. Good point. You know. The theory, the
37:29
Speaker 1: prevailing theory right now, as we started out with the
37:34
Speaker 1: dad is did she leave with somebody she knew? But
37:38
Speaker 1: hold on, hold the horses, because we also know she's
37:42
Speaker 1: in a snapchat that evening indoors to her boyfriend that
37:47
Speaker 1: he opened it to EMPI. And we also know, according
37:49
Speaker 1: to reports that she was doing homework on her computer
37:53
Speaker 1: late in the evening. She would have jogged before that.
37:57
Speaker 1: That's totally inconsistent with the dog still being in the
38:01
Speaker 1: basement while she's out for a jock. She would have
38:03
Speaker 1: come home, don't let the dogs out doing her homework?
38:08
Speaker 1: How the dogs get back in the basement? Did she
38:10
Speaker 1: plan to leave again? Is that how the scenario went down?
38:15
Speaker 1: Right now? The working theory seems to be she left
38:18
Speaker 1: with someone she knew, but who is that in a
38:21
Speaker 1: town Afred don't we know who her acquaintances are. Another
38:28
Speaker 1: theory is that she ran away from home. I don't
38:32
Speaker 1: buy that for a minute. These two canceled press conferences
38:36
Speaker 1: are weighing on my mind. Very unusual that they were canceled.
38:40
Speaker 1: Is Molly with someone she knows? If so, it's more
38:44
Speaker 1: likely that she is still alive. Listen to this. Every
38:50
Speaker 1: day I feel Molly's presence with me, um, you know,
38:55
Speaker 1: sometimes I just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And
38:58
Speaker 1: Molly was an incredible strong young woman. And I don't
39:03
Speaker 1: know that I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending
39:07
Speaker 1: me her strength every day, every night. And yes I
39:10
Speaker 1: have my moments of complete mouthdowns, but it is through
39:16
Speaker 1: this strength that is somehow, and I don't know how
39:19
Speaker 1: being bestowed upon me that I am able to get
39:23
Speaker 1: through every morning, every noon, every night. Now that's Molly
39:28
Speaker 1: tib It's mother Laura speaking when the reward was announced
39:33
Speaker 1: over three hundred thousand dollars the Molly tube It's tip
39:36
Speaker 1: line eight hundred four or five to one one one
39:41
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five two one one one one.
39:44
Speaker 1: The unusual tactic of offering the money to the kidnapper
39:49
Speaker 1: in exchange for bringing Molly home. Call us with your tips,
39:53
Speaker 1: your theories, your questions. N nine four nine two seven
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Speaker 1: four six three straight out to the line. Now joining
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Speaker 1: us from Iowa. Shanny, Hi, Shanny, what's your question? I
40:05
Speaker 1: just saw online you guys were talking about Molly Kibbutz,
40:08
Speaker 1: and so I said, I'm gonna call in. So I
40:11
Speaker 1: live in Van Meter, Iowa, Okay, And we've had seventy
40:16
Speaker 1: kids missing, you know, in a month here. We have
40:19
Speaker 1: no information from the police. What's going on? What's happening
40:23
Speaker 1: to our kids out here? And um, I'm I'm pretty frustrated,
40:29
Speaker 1: you know. And then the other day that anonymous people
40:32
Speaker 1: started sending videos to the people in Brooklyn and Iowa.
40:36
Speaker 1: And it's just I believe it's sex trafficking going on
40:39
Speaker 1: pretty much. That's what I think. So hold on, let
40:44
Speaker 1: me understand this. You have all these people missing in
40:48
Speaker 1: Van Meter, Iowa. Question to you, how far is Van
40:54
Speaker 1: Meter from where Molly went missing in Brooklyn about two
40:57
Speaker 1: hours now? We don't have a miss been here in
41:00
Speaker 1: Van Meter. We have them all over Iowa. There's like
41:03
Speaker 1: seventy children from June to July that have been taken here,
41:11
Speaker 1: not just Molly, a lot of kids. That has really
41:15
Speaker 1: a huge amount of missing people. That's huge children, girls
41:22
Speaker 1: and boys, Nancy, girls and boys, not just girls and boys. Now,
41:29
Speaker 1: I want to back up what Shanny is saying. In Iowa,
41:33
Speaker 1: so far that I know of forty eight juveniles have
41:36
Speaker 1: gone missing. Is that number of misleading? Um? The search
41:42
Speaker 1: for Iowa student Molly goes on, But as Shanny is saying,
41:47
Speaker 1: we know of forty eight other Iowa juveniles have gone
41:50
Speaker 1: missing so far, and that has sparked a fury about
41:55
Speaker 1: what is going on. Now. There's been a lot of
41:59
Speaker 1: coverage regarding the appearance of Molly out of Brooklyn, Iowa,
42:03
Speaker 1: But what about all of these other children? Now? Fear
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Speaker 1: concern rumors have developed to the point where many people believe,
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Speaker 1: including Shanny, that sex trafficking, the human market is what's
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Speaker 1: going on. Is that true? What do we know about
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking and human marketing? You know, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: there was a time I went poo pooh it, but
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Speaker 1: not now. Where are the bodies at me? Where are
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Speaker 1: the bodies at You're right, you're right, none of them
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Speaker 1: have been found. Hey, and Nancy, let me just jump
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Speaker 1: in I'm sorry, Shannon. Let me just jump into her point.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've been covering this in Iowa since Nancy,
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Speaker 1: about sex trafficking and small towns in Iowa. So she
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Speaker 1: may be onto something because she had the point where
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Speaker 1: all these bodies of these missing kids that no one
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Speaker 1: has seemed to have found just yet, So she could
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Speaker 1: be on the something. Now, the Department of Public Safety
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Speaker 1: is saying that juveniles runaway multiple times, so one kid
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Speaker 1: can run away three or four times and it inflates
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Speaker 1: the number. But I don't know that that's necessarily true here.
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Speaker 1: Uh just got Morgan sex trafficking, human trafficking. Let me
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Speaker 1: tell you something. I nearly did a back flip. You know.
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Speaker 1: I just took the children on a Disney cruise right
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Speaker 1: which I love, and we had an awesome time. Well
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Speaker 1: I flipped out because right before that, I took them
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Speaker 1: to my nephew's wedding in Maryland, and I have my
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Speaker 1: mom with me. She's up. To get her from the
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Speaker 1: door to the gate. Wait, such a long walk. We
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Speaker 1: use a wheelchair. So she went in with John John David,
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Speaker 1: my ten year old son. While I was out checking
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Speaker 1: the bags. I go in. They're both gone. Then some
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Speaker 1: workers says, oh, they went to the bathroom. What does
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Speaker 1: that mean to me that my mom gets John David
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Speaker 1: to push her to the bathroom he stands out by
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Speaker 1: himself in front of the men's bathroom. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: I my heart was just beating out of my head
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't run after because I had Lucy and Toe.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't leave her alone. So I bottom line, sex trafficking,
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Speaker 1: human tracking, trafficking of children and teens is real, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: it's real. Airports are the worst and rural areas perfect target.
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Speaker 1: Well I want to interrupt for a second, but are
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Speaker 1: we're our freeways crossed like I eighty and I thirty
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Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like a big drug trafficking h highway anyway,
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Speaker 1: So you know, um, I really believe that that they're
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Speaker 1: taking them out in semi somehow. I just you know
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Speaker 1: the thing about it is, they keep saying that they're
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Speaker 1: gonna come out and let us know what's going on.
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Speaker 1: They aren't. I have a fifteen year old daughter here,
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter that lives here. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just and and nobody it's not it's not even making
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Speaker 1: the news like what is going like nationally, Like, come on,
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Speaker 1: this is this is a problem. So I actually went
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Speaker 1: out to I went out to go to search in Brooklyn.
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Speaker 1: I was getting ready, got my water bottle. They counseled
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Speaker 1: the search. They say they called the FBI in Now
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Speaker 1: the FBI is here, but nobody is saying anything. Nothing.
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Speaker 1: It's like a two second thing on the news. No, no,
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Speaker 1: no new information. That's it. Now we know sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: is not the cause of every missing person case miss
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Speaker 1: but she's The National Human Trafficking Hotline recorded seventy four
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Speaker 1: reports of human trafficking in Iowa in two thousand seventeen
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Speaker 1: alone in one year that they know of sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: is real. Now, let's listen to death to this Shanny.
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Speaker 1: Way back when I was still prosecuting in inner city Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: ten years I had a thirteen year old girl get taken.
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Speaker 1: You know where I found her. There's no nice way
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Speaker 1: to put it. A worehouse, Okay, there's just really no
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Speaker 1: nice way. And when I walked into that, that motel,
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Speaker 1: i'll call it, and ephemistically, I looked in there were
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Speaker 1: three or four then, and we're in there and I
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Speaker 1: came out to the investigators. I said, she's not there's
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Speaker 1: not a girl in there. Where is she? He said
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Speaker 1: she was in there. They went, that's her in the boots.
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Speaker 1: I went back in. This thirteen year old girl look
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Speaker 1: like she was thirty eight. She had on a we've
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Speaker 1: all the makeup, the adult clothes. I looked at her
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Speaker 1: and I realized this was the thirteen year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: She had been taken for sex trafficking, and she was
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Speaker 1: in king with prostitutes. It happens. It happens more than
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Speaker 1: we can say. So what's the word, Shanny. Is that
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Speaker 1: what people believe happened to Molly? That's what I believe,
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Speaker 1: and um, I believe there's a lot of people that
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Speaker 1: are now just now getting suspicious. You can go on
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Speaker 1: my Facebook page and you can see child after child
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Speaker 1: after child. You know, I wasn't even aware of it.
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Speaker 1: What is your Facebook page, Shanny? What's your Facebook page?
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Speaker 1: Oh it's just Sianni Gilbert just my name. How do
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Speaker 1: you spend that? S H A N E Y. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and Gilbert G I L B R. I'm gonna do
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Speaker 1: that right now, go ahead and you can look in
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Speaker 1: and see and so at first it was just girls
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Speaker 1: and everybody was like, oh whatever. Then we have an
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Speaker 1: artistic boy that's been missing. Nobody founded him, he hasn't
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Speaker 1: made news, and he was he was one of the
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Speaker 1: first one. So now all these little boys are going
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Speaker 1: and uh missing. And so when you're talking to numbers
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Speaker 1: of forty eight, I guarantee you're talking just girls because
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Speaker 1: if you look at it, it's hite too. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to your Facebook site right now. Shanny Gilbert on Facebook,
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Speaker 1: raising the theory of sex trafficking. Her body has not
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Speaker 1: been found, her clothing has not been found, her cell
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Speaker 1: phone has not been found. Where is Molly again? The
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Speaker 1: tip line for Molly tibbitts eight hundred four or five
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Speaker 1: to one one one one. That reward now climbing to
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Speaker 1: over three hundred thousand dollars. Take a listen to Molly's mother.
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Speaker 1: If it were me that we're missing, Molly wouldn't give
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Speaker 1: up hope. Um, that's not a thought. You won't see
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Speaker 1: me giving up hope. There's that's that's not an option.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,