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Health is Wealth:Smarter Physical Therapy, Prevention, and Healthcare Costs Ft. Dr. Nicole Turnbow · The Wealth Cafe

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Wealth Cafe.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: And today is a really special coffee conversation and one of our final few of the year.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I am joined by the incredible Dr.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole Turnbaugh.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: And she is the passionate owner and founder of Body in Motion LLC.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she has an extensive background that exposed her to the shortcomings of the healthcare system, which we are going to dive into this conversation today.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it inspired her to actually start a new paradigm in patient care.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: So she obtained her bachelor's in science degree from Quinnipiac and then has her doctorate in physical therapy from the same institution.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she is continuing to drive positive change within the healthcare industry, advocating for accessible, high-quality care for all.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole, I'm so excited to have you and for our conversation today.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me, Caroline.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to be here.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think you have such a cool story.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So you are now up to two locations of body in motion in the Connecticut area.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: But what's also cool is you serve clients across probably not even the country, but outside as well and across the across the world.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: What does that look like to work with you as you've now changed what physical therapy and training looks like?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks for asking.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we have a couple different ways that clients work with us.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we're very untraditional physical therapists in all the best ways.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: So if you are local to Connecticut, of course, we can see you in person on a one-on-one basis.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: All of our services are customized, individualized, very personalized.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so we do see clients in our office in both Avon and Bloomfields, Connecticut.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And our clients don't see us like normal physical therapists see you two, three times a week.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: We save people time and money by seeing them once a week at max, um, or even like once a month at times, depending on the acuity of their injury or where they're at in their rehab and their goals.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other way that our clients work with us is what we call hybrid or just purely digital.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: So there's really three methods.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in person, you can see us locally here in Connecticut in person, or hybrid, meaning that you can see us once or twice a month.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have a whole digital coaching app.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I always like to say I'm the physical therapist in your back pocket.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any questions, comments, or concerns, I'm literally right there.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: But you also have your whole comprehensive exercise plan and coaching plan right there in the app.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to spin your wheels wondering what exercises should I do for low back pain?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or I'm traveling and I want to bring bands with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind of exercises could I be doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything is just served on a beautiful platter right there for you in our digital app.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how we work with clients all over the world as well is through this digital coaching app where they have access to a physical therapist who happens to be their coach.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: And all of the programming, all of the exercises happen there.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: And the nice part is we have an in-app texting feature too.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: So not only am I checking in with my clients after they finish each workout, but I'm also just communicating them on a really regular basis, checking in about their sleep, their stress, their nutrition, and kind of everything in between, because we know that pain is so much more than physical.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that just going to PT for that one hour long visit isn't going to cut it when we have learned through research and time that pain is so complex and there's so much more to it.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Recovery.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in the world we live in, where so many of us are sitting at our desks all day and then we're like, oh my gosh, I just sat all day and I feel like we go from zero to a hundred.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I know I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I went to the gym this morning and now I'm sitting most of the day.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: That is when I'm sure we build so many of those different stressors and like a stress fracture because we're not warming up and we're always rushed and going from one thing to the next.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I love that you built things this way.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to take a step back because I think what's super interesting, and you and I have had this conversation that the insurance industry and the healthcare industry, they look really different than what people are accustomed to.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as open enrollment comes up, everybody is sitting here scratching their heads, going and also nervously biting their nails, saying, like, what is this going to look like?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so what do you see or did you see happening in the healthcare industry that you were working in and that side of things where you sat there and you were like, this has to change?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I worked in corporate healthcare for literally only three years because I saw so many shortcomings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Premiums are going up every year, and the reimbursement rates for providers are going down.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm a physical therapist, I have my doctoral degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, we work so hard to be able to have these medical degrees where we want to be able to serve our patients and clients.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in this medical world that we're currently living in in this state, it's really hard to find good care because the problem is volume.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: When I was working in corporate health care, I would see probably in like an eight to 10 hour day, 20 to 30 patients in one day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now in my practice at Body in Motion, my therapists who are working a 40-hour work week are seeing no more than 30 clients a week.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's just a volume problem that I think we're having right now, which is leading costs to be so high for healthcare.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um, that's why people are so disappointed by their doctor visits and their medical services, is because it's rushed, you don't feel listened to, you just feel like another number.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was not about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not want to feel like I worked so hard to get this doctoral degree and I wasn't even able to have time to put my hands on someone to make true long-lasting changes.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be able to treat people as people, as the whole entire body.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I just knew that something needed to change because the traditional medical system doesn't allow for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also, correct me if I'm wrong, probably more rewarding for you.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you're rushing throughout your entire day, you sit down and you're drained.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whereas now, you know, you share so much on social media about your clients and their stories and what they are going through physically and also in their lives, which impacts them physically.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: That connection probably feeds into you more than anything.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: The work that we do at Body and Motion is just such fulfilling work because the clients who come see us, they've realized the shortcomings in traditional Medicare.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they come to us because they don't want that medical care where they're being rushed.
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  SPEAKER_01: They find us when they are like at their wit's end.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've just about had it, they're in excruciating pain.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or on the flip side, they found us because they know that that's what the medical world looks like and they want to prevent pain and they're really forward thinkers.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, our work that we do is just extremely fulfilling.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I love my job because I feel as though like we're making a true positive impact in the world.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that just unfortunately isn't possible in corporate healthcare.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's also as the consumer on the side of things, like when you're rushed through that appointment and then you get a massive medical bill if your insurance isn't covering all of it, or you're fighting with the insurance company, you're sitting there, and your first thought, and I say this to somebody who just recently got a bill like this from a doctor, I got an$800 bill for a 13-minute visit and was like, What?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: And my jaw hit the floor because I couldn't even remember her name, couldn't tell you anything about her.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I know it's not her, it's just the system that she was put in to move people through.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's also very difficult as a consumer.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I when I'm taking new client calls um or there's new leads coming through, I often shed light on that because as a consumer, I think that you may not know that there are there there are alternative options out there.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: You may not know that there are what's called concierge medicine doctors or cash-based doctors out there like us at Body in Motion.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: And once you find that or learn how to search for that, everything changes.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because one thing I share with clients a lot is, you know, like our price for the service, we call it an all-inclusive service.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's 185 at the time of service.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now you pay us at the time of service.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: You can get reimbursed through HSA, FSA, or even just like submitting the bill to your insurance company.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, when people are thinking of that 185, they're thinking, oh wow, like I have to pay for the medical visit.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: But they're forgetting that most Americans now have high deductible health insurance plans.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have a$5,000 deductible and you have not met that deductible, similar to you, Caroline, you're going to get an$800 bill in the mail.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it happens after the fact.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you go into that visit with the traditional health uh provider thinking, oh, this is free.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't have to pay for this.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then three months later, you're hit with a wild bill.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing happens in physical therapy.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter what medical provider you go to.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's hard to know what you're gonna pay.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you could even ask them ahead of time and they're gonna give you a wild range, like it could be anywhere from$300 to$800.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just left like, huh?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so I do think that when we tell people up front this is the flat fee, this is the cost, and kind of explain it in that manner, it really is eye-opening.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, wait,$185 for a full hour of one-on-one time with a doctor of physical therapy.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna put their hands on us the entire time and actually give us treatment and actually make us feel better.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's a steal.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's high value.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's the type of medical care I want.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, as a consumer, that's what we all need more of.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I would love, especially now that we are entering open enrollment season, we're looking into year end when a lot of us are not taking care of ourselves as well.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then we all of a sudden wake up January 1st and we're like, I'm gonna be a new person, health and wellness, my personal finances are gonna be in order.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: This is great.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a new woman, um, or man, whoever's listening to this.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: But can you explain these different options?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned like concierge doctors, cash payment, things like that.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I would love if you could dive into that a little bit more because I do think people, as they are looking at all of these expenses building up, and then they want to start the new year as a new person.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you get slapped with these bills, it's hard.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are these other options that patients have?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so if you have a high deductible health insurance plan, it does really make sense.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you are a relatively young and healthy individual and you don't think you're going to meet that deductible, it does make sense to reach out and find a concierge medicine primary care physician to start.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I like to start there because almost everyone sees their PCP once a year or every three years.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: At least you should be, you know, just for longevity and health purposes.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so there are a lot of up-and-coming PCPs that are doing this concierge medicine or cash-based care.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it could be as simple as a search online for concierge PCP, and you can look in your area to see who pops up, who has good ratings on Google, et cetera.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then typically the PCPs know of orthos that are also concierge medicine or of other specialists.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now, that's a relatively new thing in medicine where PCPs are kind of starting it, they're getting the ball rolling, but like OBGYN care for concierge medicine isn't a thing yet.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it really depends on the specialty.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Radiologists aren't really a thing yet.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: You still have to kind of go through quote unquote insurance um to get an MRI or an X-ray type of thing.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: But definitely start with your PCP because that's the best way to get in with this concierge medicine doctor.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: And typically they have um like a yearly fee or a flat fee similar to my practice, where it's like, if you need to see us, it's 185 at the time of service.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know exactly what you're going to get.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be able to prescribe you these medicines if you have a cold this winter, etc.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it makes it really seamless because then you know exactly what you're paying.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And even though you're paying out of pocket, it's so much better than getting a bill in the mail for a sick visit and then having to add to that deductible that you're not gonna reach, anyways.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: I also think it then opens up the door for more people than to proactively use doctors.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've seen plenty of people in my family alone who they're like, no, I'm not gonna go to the doctor.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to pay for it, I don't want to rack up a bill, whatever it might be.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: So then they don't get the help that they need and it causes more issues down the road and it just compounds because they're not getting the help they need.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that like stresses me out as a medical provider just because I know that that's happening.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know that people are scared of what that bill could look like and they're avoiding going to the cardiologist, going to get, you know, images, et cetera.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're avoiding those things for financial reasons, it's just so hard to hear because what could come down the future is not necessarily a great thing.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge proponent of preventative medicine, provo, proactive healthcare, like taking care of yourself.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: And thankfully, we live in such a current day and age where a lot of, there's a lot of great information on the internet, on social media that you can find.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, if you can't afford to go to a physical therapist, at least you can go online on social media and find great stretches to do every morning, or, you know, find exercises, routines on YouTube, for example.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of good information on the internet these days where you can kind of be proactive at a very minimal to no fee.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I would love to see us moving into a world where people are doing this and seeing physicians, seeing doctors like myself more proactively to prevent pain.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And one of my favorite calls to get is when someone's like, hey, I'm a weightlifter or I'm a runner and I know that you do a lot of proactive care.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Can you do a full body assessment on me and see where I'm weak, see where I'm tight, and kind of help me figure out my asymmetry so that that doesn't become a problem in five, 10 years?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And like being such a forward thinker will help you long term with your overall finances to not have to get that huge bill.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: It'll help you long term with your longevity and just with your overall health to be a forward thinker like that.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love, and that's the perfect transition into the next question I have for you because as we are coming up, we're in Q4, people are going to start off the new year, but we are in that stretch where I will see, you know, I see everyone's finances.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I can see how many people are paying for gym memberships that they don't use, or all of these different services and they fall off of them this time of year.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say one of the biggest things is I fully believe and spend way too much money, and I think it's the best money I spend that health is wealth.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you see it time and time again.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that you talked about people being preventative.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: As we are coming into this year end, what are a few of the big things that you see that people can do to take care of themselves during this time of year?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: And whether that's from the physical therapy side, the training side, whatever it might be, I'm here for all of it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and not to, I don't want to get too complicated with it because I have such high-level health and wellness in my in my back pocket, but like just high level.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think the three best things that you could do for your health as we're in Q4 approaching the new year is number one, sleep.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sleep is the but the most free form of recovery and health.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to pay a dime for it.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to have a subscription for it.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to even buy a new mattress or a pillow, just get better sleep, right?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like focus on going to bed at a reasonable time, focus on your nighttime routine getting a little bit healthier.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, can we avoid screens before bed?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Can we avoid late night snacking before bed?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like that whole bedtime routine is really important and it doesn't have to be perfect.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: You just have to kind of start with thinking about that.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then can we not only be in bed for eight hours, that quantity, but what does the quality look like?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the quality will improve with that nighttime routine.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that's number one.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: My first piece of advice is just get good sleep.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's free, it literally costs you nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two, I was just focus on more wholesome nutrition.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that you don't have to go from zero to a hundred real quick.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're skipping breakfast or breakfast is coffee for you, can you add an egg or can you add a protein drink?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: If you are eating, you know, three donuts that so and so brought into the office, can you eat one donut instead of three?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can you skip the second coffee in the middle of the day?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like just thinking of focusing on adding more protein, adding more fruits and veggies, getting more fiber into your diet.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Simple start, like and take it nice and slow.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that would be number two.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, as a physical therapist, I can't leave out number three, being active.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, even if it's counting your steps every day, maybe you wear a pedometer like an Apple Watch of some sort and you're just trying.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you're at, if you're currently doing 6,000 steps, do it, add 7,000, like add 1,000 steps and now try for 7,000.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to focus on that like 10,000 step number.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just focus on where am I at right now and how can I improve just a little bit until I get to that main goal.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And really, most of the three important things that I just mentioned isn't gonna cost you an extra dime.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, the food maybe, you know, investing in some more organic, more fruits and vegetables, higher proteins, that might cost you a little bit.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: But like getting outside and getting some exercise and getting good sleep literally costs you nothing.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, getting a gym membership or, you know, investing in some home care, um, like dumbbells and weights type stuff could be helpful.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: But those would be my three tips as we get into that uh winter months, as we get into, you know, the end of Q4, how to be healthier as we approach the new year.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'll even throw in, like as a tag to number three, is that I have a walking pad and I am obsessed with it because I'm not far from you.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in New Jersey.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: And once it starts snowing and now it's getting dark at 5 p.m., it feels like I know we're not fully there yet, but you don't want to go outside and you don't want to do these things.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I at this point on Amazon, like they have them for as low as 80 bucks or on Facebook Marketplace.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, this is the best money I can spend.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't agree more.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: I may I've made it this time of year is really tough.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, with the darkness and just it gets cold.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've made it a daily goal, starting literally at Q4.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I started this, like every single morning.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: I get out and I take my kids, I take my dog, we go for just a mile walk around the neighborhood just to start the day off with some fresh air and some movement before it gets super dark and super cold.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like it really does help start your day off, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: It changes all of it, and I think that's the biggest difference is I will also say I see a lot of people in the next generation looking at their personal finances making more room for these expenses of hiring um physical therapists and trainers and investing more into health and wellness, which is awesome.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Part of that though, is then I think there's going to be a lot of questions, and I'd love to get your opinion on this, is the baby boomer generation, even some of Gen X, they aren't as healthy and staying in tune with things.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, how can millennials and Gen Z, how can they also talk to the next that that older generation about a lot of these things and what is it that they should be doing?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I'm a millennial and my parents are boomers, and I definitely see them kind of picking up on my healthy habits just by spending time with them.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I always say, like, the best thing you can do is be a really good example for the generation above or below you that you're trying to influence.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like just setting really good examples by doing the things you want them to do.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if we're having our family over, our boomer parents over for dinner, we're not gonna serve them, you know, high, highly processed foods.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna serve them really great chicken and rice and veggies.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I want them to see like this is how we eat.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I want you to kind of pick up on those habits and they can kind of learn, like, oh, wow, having like broccoli with my chicken like actually tastes really good.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the way you seasoned it was great.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that alone, like just being a good example and and maybe even like sending them a post.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you see like a post on Instagram, for example, that you really like that you feel like resonates with you and would help with them, like send it their way, or share the share a newsletter with them that you've seen from your favorite personal trainer, or even like invite your mom or dad on a you know, afternoon walk with you.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, find family activities that you can do outside to get that fresh air, that vitamin D and that movement.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I would say, like just trying.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: To incorporate all of those healthy habits into their life by just adding some suggestions on when you spend time together.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how can you do those types of things?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny you gave that example of like share something because last night my father, who baby boomer, has gotten into, I'll call it power walking jogging, um, which is incredible since he had open heart surgery a couple of years ago.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so in one of our favorite places to vacation, Hilton Head, they are hosting their annual 5K in a couple of weeks.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, hey, how cool would this be?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, run jog past your favorite spot.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, all right, yes, I can check that off the list if I shared something.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's perfect.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: That makes the cut.
• 22:42
  unknown: I love that.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly what I was referring to.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just suggest like fun activities with them, like running a 5K.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean you have to run at a, you know, eight-minute pace.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: You and your dad can run at a 12, 14-minute pace and just do it for fun to say you did something really healthy together.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Thank God, because that's more my speed.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the other questions that I had for you is where do you see this industry shifting over the next year?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And how do you continue to evolve?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: And at Body in Motion, you offer so many different services.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: How is that continuing to evolve as this industry and also this world is changing?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that what we're doing specifically in like one of our initiatives for 2027 is to add more um niche-based group classes.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, if you feel as though, you know, 185 is not something I can afford long term, or maybe I can only budget two of the visits, then we can sort of quote unquote discharge you into one of these niche programs.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, we've been running with um an osteoporosis program, which we have for six weeks straight.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: We do a strength training program specifically for runners.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm starting a perimenopausal and menopausal program.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing a fall and balance prevention program.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, really, I think that our industry as physical therapists, niching down and finding really specific interest groups and having a community of those people come together and feel like, oh, I fell.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I also fell.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And now we're all together and we all are trying to improve our balance together.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: It really helps to not feel so alone when you're dealing with a back injury or when you're dealing with an ankle sprain.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like to have a community, I think helps a lot.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the one-on-one care goes so far.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like we are so successful because of the one-on-one care.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like you said, all the high-level technologies that we have at Body and Motion.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think there's something to be said about community.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think having a lower price point and adding a community feel is something that we're really trying to do in 2027 as we go into the new year.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, we're going to continue to stay up to date with the research.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: A couple of years ago, we added shockwave therapy and it's been fantastic for our practice and for all of our clients.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: And trigger point needling is still a big thing that we do.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so we'll continue to add on services as we see the research evolve.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, like almost nothing's going to be exercise and healthy living.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: So just try to continue to educate and empower our clients to do all that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think in the world of as we see AI taking over every industry and facet of our lives, community is becoming even more important, which is why I love to have these conversations and we have events and to do all of these different pieces.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you do such a great job of and shameless plug here for Doc Nicole, is everything you share on social media.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: People can feel seen with the different posts you have and you creating these small groups.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's awesome.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to be virtual or in person?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they'll be virtual and in person, but we'll host them all in our office.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: So anyone local to Connecticut can come to these programs.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: But if you live in New Jersey and you have osteoporosis, you can join our program virtually, of course, too.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have one final question for you.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: You ready?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone gets this one at the end.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: What is one thing that you do every day that makes you feel wealthy?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's definitely filling my cup.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so that could mean something different every day, but typically this is gonna be so on brand, but typically it's your exercise, truly.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: And funny enough, my Instagram handle before it was Body Emotion PT, it was hell, uh, it was um health is wealth or oh my god, healthy is wealthy.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even remember now, but it was literally that concept because I think that I feel so wealthy when I like can move my body and I can do something that makes me feel so alive.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think that when people think of someone wealthy, they just think that they're just like so alive, right?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're living their best life.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how I feel when I'm hitting the gym or when I'm like lifting weights that I never thought I could lift.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like Nicole 10 years ago would be like, What?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: You can do that?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like that makes me feel so incredibly wealthy, like on top of the world, the fact that I have this body that is constantly transforming and improving, and I am such a huge proponent of health being well.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really it.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's one of the best investments that you can make in yourself.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: As somebody who I see the cost of health care and long-term care for um retirees increasing, we inflate healthcare costs at a 6.5% um rate.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is how we inflate it out.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's been the way it's been growing for healthcare costs, whether it's long-term care, nursing homes.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And the more that you are able, it feels like a lot of these things I think are expensive in this moment.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: But when you look out at the trajectory of the way it is going to help you into the future as we see this continue to rise, I think you're gonna look back.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: And anyone listening to this is gonna look back and say, wow, the best investment I made was in myself, whether it's your health, your eating, your sleeping, which we talked about is even free unless you decide to go all out, that it's something that is going to compound for you for the rest of your life.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: Couldn't agree more.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: This was such a fabulous conversation.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: If anybody wants to A, watch all of your amazing Instagram content, or B, learn about body in motion and everything that you offer and your services, where can they find you?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're primarily on Instagram.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you can find us there.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our handle is Body in Motion PT.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And we post something every day about pain relief, recovery, what we're up to in the practice, who we're treating, how we're treating different injuries.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's where you can find us.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we're here in Connecticut.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you are ever nearby, you know, stop in.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: We do have clients literally all over the world.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: So if it's something you're interested in, for sure, reach out to me in my practice.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we will link all of her information here in the show notes.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to thank everyone for tuning in to this coffee conversation.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you, Nicole, for joining us.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: And we will see you all next week.