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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 12-19-25 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: We'll hear from some of the folks at the road
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  Speaker 3: Home on the show today as well. Sammy Mora is
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  Speaker 3: gonna stop by.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have a little conversation with her about
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  Speaker 2: the media availability for Kyle Whittingham yesterday, his first scrum
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  Speaker 2: as we call them in the business since stepping away
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  Speaker 2: as the head coach of the University of you Tah
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  Speaker 2: And look, I think the right questions were asked. I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you what I did not like, and we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to the sound and we'll play some of the sound
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  Speaker 2: for you. But there's a suggestion in there that I
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  Speaker 2: think corroborates or supports some of the things that we've
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  Speaker 2: been hearing some of the rumor mill behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: about that. You know, Yes, this was Kyle Whittingham's decision,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe that this decision was influenced or even encouraged.
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  Speaker 3: By external forces.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it on Monday, We talked about it
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: We will continue to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about it for as long as it is necessary,
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  Speaker 2: at least up until the bowl game and probably a
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  Speaker 2: little bit beyond. Unequivocally, Kyle Whittingham is the dude. He's
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  Speaker 2: the face, he's the voice, he is the heartbeat of
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  Speaker 2: Utah football. And yes, there were times where his styles,
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  Speaker 2: his communication style, his paranoia, if it's fair to say
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  Speaker 2: that got a little bit frustrating, and we'll play the
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  Speaker 2: sound for you, like I said, but he effectively talked about, well,
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  Speaker 2: why is now at the right time? And we've been
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  Speaker 2: asking one form of that question or another for several
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  Speaker 2: days now, and he said something to the effect of, what,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to overstay my welcome and I might
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  Speaker 2: have already done that, or I hope I didn't already
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  Speaker 2: do that, And he made some joke about how you
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  Speaker 2: know when you're a coach and every year you stay,
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  Speaker 2: another ten percent of the fan base starts to resent you, starts.
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  Speaker 3: To hate you.
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  Speaker 2: I if you're Kyle Whittingham. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 2: overstay you're welcome in a house that you built. You
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  Speaker 2: can't overstay your welcome in your own house. That's how
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  Speaker 2: I feel about it. If he feels any other way
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  Speaker 2: about it, I'm bothered by that. If there was some
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  Speaker 2: external factor exerting pressure on Kyle Whittingham to vacate his
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  Speaker 2: own home, that's an injustice. But I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: cast blame, point fingers aspersions without full knowledge of the situation.
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  Speaker 2: So again, I'll wait until I talked to Kyle Whittingham personally.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully we can get him in for an interview. Scott
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  Speaker 2: did a great job. The local media did a great
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  Speaker 2: job in I guess, farming as much information as we
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  Speaker 2: could out of the situation.
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  Speaker 3: But I didn't like that suggestion.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll dive into it a little bit with
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  Speaker 2: Sammy Moro when she joined us in about half an hour.
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  Speaker 2: Omar Roweez is gonna jump on from the NA Network.
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  Speaker 2: What a game last night, Holy Cow. One of the
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  Speaker 2: craziest football games of the season, maybe the football game
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  Speaker 2: of the season. Two great teams vuying for supremacy in
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  Speaker 2: the NFC West. A Thursday night is oftentimes kind of
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  Speaker 2: a diminished product of NFL football. Didn't feel that way
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  Speaker 2: last night. The local flavor obviously, Puka Nakua just the
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  Speaker 2: kids in headlines for some of the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 3: And we talked about that on.
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  Speaker 2: The show yesterday, and Pukaakua just went out and bawled
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  Speaker 2: twelve catches, two hundred and twenty five yards, a couple
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  Speaker 2: of touchdowns. The guy is just an absolute monster and
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  Speaker 2: still on a rookie contract, and sooner than later the
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  Speaker 2: Rams are going to back up a Brinks truck for Pukinakua.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing that.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't solve your problems if you have problems that, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: it magnifies and aggravates some problems. If there's a way
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  Speaker 2: from the field things that are causing issues for you and.
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  Speaker 3: Pooka, I don't think is all the way in that realm.
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  Speaker 2: Yet, regardless of whatever happened with Samson allegedly stealing the
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  Speaker 2: car of an LA Laker, the live stream thing, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a lot less sensitive to the political correctness stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: I want to give a little bit of grace to
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  Speaker 2: Puka Nakua because.
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  Speaker 3: I honestly, I'm forty two years old.
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  Speaker 2: I'm old enough to be Puka Nakua's dad, and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know the intricacies and the implied anti semitism of
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  Speaker 2: the weird celebratory dance that they were, these live stream
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  Speaker 2: YouTube morons were trying to convince him to do. I really,
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  Speaker 2: I did not know that that was something that was
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  Speaker 2: directed purposefully in offense of any demographic, any race, any culture.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how some.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty year old kid, twenty two year old kid from
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  Speaker 2: Utah would be able to know that that was maliciousness,
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  Speaker 2: a nefarious kind of thing from the other guys. But
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  Speaker 2: but that was something that I guess you have to
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  Speaker 2: be aware of, and the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: Talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: Sean McVay and his postgame presser talked about how, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got.
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  Speaker 3: To continue to educate these guys and you gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Support them in ways to help it so they stay
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  Speaker 2: out of the headlines for the wrong reasons, and so like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you could put that to bed.
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  Speaker 3: He issued his apology.
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  Speaker 2: He goes out, he has this incredible game, the Rams
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  Speaker 2: don't win the game, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then Pukaa Kua just doubles down on his assertion that
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  Speaker 3: the referees and were trying to manipulate things in that game,
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  Speaker 3: he tweets. Of course he deletes it immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody in the locker room was probably like, dude, come on,
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  Speaker 2: we lost fair and square.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever the messaging was, I'm implying, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: But of course he's one of the most famous guys
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL right now. And it gets picked up
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  Speaker 2: and media members are like, oh, look at this. He
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  Speaker 2: deleted it, but this is what he said, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just, you know, him kind of doubling down, implying
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  Speaker 2: that the referees stepped in and influenced the game against
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks in a way that didn't make exact sense.
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  Speaker 3: Probably, look after.
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  Speaker 2: You lose an emotional game like that, a good rule
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  Speaker 2: of thumb just don't have your phone, don't have Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: don't have Instagram, don't have TikToker, Snapchat or whatever these
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  Speaker 2: kids are on these days. Just decompress before you pick
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  Speaker 2: that up.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need to see.
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  Speaker 2: The text message from your parents, your family, your former
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  Speaker 2: coaches saying hey, you had a great game tonight.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need to see those until after you're showered.
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  Speaker 2: And you've let the emotions kind of spill and be redirected.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason I'm even talking about this is because
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  Speaker 2: it is one of the great travesties of athletics at
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  Speaker 2: any level, high school, college, pro when greatness, excellent performance,
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  Speaker 2: dominance is not the story that people want to tell
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  Speaker 2: about you first. It's not the first question that they
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  Speaker 2: want to ask about you. It's why did you say this,
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  Speaker 2: why did you do this dance? Why'd you appear on
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  Speaker 2: this live stream. It's one of the worst things when
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  Speaker 2: a coach goes to a podium and it's like, hey, coach,
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable overtime game against another team that might factor in
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  Speaker 2: to playoff and even Super Bowl discussions, NFC Championship discussions,
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  Speaker 2: what a game you guys almost pulled it out, But
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  Speaker 2: we want to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: The TMZ drama type stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It is one of the worst things that can happen
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  Speaker 2: in sports, and to be the center of that when
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  Speaker 2: you're someone like Puka Nakua, it will be he used
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  Speaker 2: against you for years if you allow it to grow
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  Speaker 2: from just like a mistake on a podcast, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have implied this thing, and maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: put myself in these conversations or put myself in the
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  Speaker 2: crosshairs of referees moving forward, I want the boring conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I want it to be like, Wow, Pooka Naku is
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  Speaker 2: the best young receiver in the game. Here are his stats.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the way that he wins these matchups. He's
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  Speaker 2: such a smart player. He's able to find whatever seam,
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  Speaker 2: whatever hole in his own defense. And he's got the
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  Speaker 2: trust of a veteran quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Who has played with literally one of the best in
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  Speaker 4: the world, Matthew Stafford spent most of his career throwing
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  Speaker 4: the ball to Megatron, who's an alien, and he has
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  Speaker 4: chosen that Pukaakua is the guy that he trusts the
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  Speaker 4: most for good reason. On that rams rock, That's where
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  Speaker 4: Pookaakua should be in the conversation. We should be saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: look at what this kid has done already, and instead,
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  Speaker 4: immediately after the best NFL game of the season, the
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  Speaker 4: questioning is about, Hey, did you see the live stream?
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  Speaker 2: Hey did you see his tweet? Hey did you see
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  Speaker 2: what happened with his brother? It's a mess, and it's
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  Speaker 2: a mess that hopefully someone in orum, someone in provo,
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  Speaker 2: someone tied to the family, someone in the family, one
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  Speaker 2: of his brothers, who's already made these types of mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever can say, Look, dude, don't let this be you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let this happen to you. Don't let the conversation
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  Speaker 2: about Pukaakua be about YouTubers or your baby mama or
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  Speaker 2: anything else. Make the conversation about you be what you
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  Speaker 2: do on the football field, and how you use that
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  Speaker 2: to become impactful in the community, in charity, in things
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  Speaker 2: like that. I want the conversation about a guy who's
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  Speaker 2: from here, from our backyard to be boring, to be
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  Speaker 2: x's and o's to be Hey, look at that, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's dollar signs, let's do it in the right way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm bummed. I'm not a Rams fan. I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks fan.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Probably I err on the side of the Rams in
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  Speaker 2: that matchup because of the obvious affections we have for
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  Speaker 2: some of their accomplishments with our guy Eric Weddele on
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  Speaker 2: the roster, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And Puka Nakua is about to be.
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  Speaker 2: The face of Utah football, the state of Utah football
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  Speaker 2: on the national and international stage. If he's not already there,
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  Speaker 2: if people still think like Fred Warner is the best
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  Speaker 2: guy with local ties in the league, or if it's
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  Speaker 2: Kyle van Ney, or yes, it feels weird that I'm
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  Speaker 2: only talking about BYU guys and not you talk if
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  Speaker 2: it's Garrett Bowles.
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  Speaker 3: It's not Garrettoles, but it's Garrett Bowles.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Pooka is about to leap frog all those guys
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  Speaker 2: if he hasn't already, as like the dude when you
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  Speaker 2: think of universities in our state matriculating onto the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: like Puka is going to be the prime example, the
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  Speaker 2: number one example. Steve Smith Senior was that for a while,
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  Speaker 2: Eric Weddle was that for a while. I think you
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  Speaker 2: can probably say Kyle van Noy was that for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Fred Warner has been that for years.
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  Speaker 3: It's Puka now, and it is not.
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  Speaker 2: A positive reflection on anything we got going on. If
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  Speaker 2: the conversation around Puka is scandal and silliness and extracurricular
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  Speaker 2: Internet mess instead of just like, hey, look how good
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  Speaker 2: this dude is, Look how hard this guy works, Look
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  Speaker 2: at how he is you his talent on the field
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  Speaker 2: to become something bigger, better, happier. At this level, he's
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  Speaker 2: more than capable of shutting all of it down. It
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  Speaker 2: is not too far, not anywhere near too far yet,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not trending in a positive direction. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the Rams are a good organization. He's around enough
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  Speaker 2: veteran talent, you know, hopefully a Matthew Stafford type can
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  Speaker 2: kind of be like, look, man, live your life. Matthew
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  Speaker 2: Stafford is basically old enough to be Puka's dad. Also,
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  Speaker 2: do your thing, but let's have the headlines about you,
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  Speaker 2: be about your stat line, which last night, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: was monstrous. And in the postgame, if you watched Sean McVay,
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  Speaker 2: who was already crazy frustrated that his team had lost.
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  Speaker 2: If you watch Sean McVay, he was asked a question
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  Speaker 2: about Pooka's tweet. He didn't even know about Pooka's tweet,
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  Speaker 2: and you saw him go from being a coach that
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  Speaker 2: was mad about a loss to a coach that now
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  Speaker 2: is mad about everything. Now he's a coach that's just like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you asking me a question about a tweet?
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  Speaker 2: And then the reporter has to be like, well, this
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  Speaker 2: is what was tweeted, and then he's like, well, how
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  Speaker 2: was I supposed to know that? You can't ask me
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  Speaker 2: questions about things that I'm not aware of. I've just
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  Speaker 2: been on the field, to the locker room to here
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  Speaker 2: talking to you. I'm not pulling out my phone and
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  Speaker 2: checking Twitter. I don't know what you're talking about. And
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  Speaker 2: then it becomes this life lesson session instead of being
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  Speaker 2: And he did make Sean mcvaye one of the masters
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  Speaker 2: on a mic, just like he's one of the master's
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  Speaker 2: calling place and he goes, do you think it? He
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  Speaker 2: was asked something to the effective do you think that
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  Speaker 2: the live stream thing and the backlash was a distraction
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  Speaker 2: to Puka?
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  Speaker 3: And he made sure to point out He's like, do
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  Speaker 3: you think it was a distraction? Did you see how
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  Speaker 3: he played today? He went off?
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  Speaker 2: So what an asset for a young man that you
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  Speaker 2: have a coach that will try to shift the focus
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  Speaker 2: back to your performance instead of the top foolery. But
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't last forever, it doesn't maintain. You can't sustain that.
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  Speaker 2: So fingers crossed that Puka can pull himself out of
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  Speaker 2: the trend that he's currently off.
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  Speaker 3: Gameplay.
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  Speaker 2: Keep trending the way you've been trending away from the field.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's trend towards boring, silent nothing. James, Am I
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  Speaker 2: making sense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's been back at our Broadway studio.
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  Speaker 5: That's the way that I tried to trend on this show,
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  Speaker 5: boring silent nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you are very successful.
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  Speaker 5: So you're you're I'm reluctantly, you're reluckingly asking me to
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  Speaker 5: break this to buck this trend right now now absolutely
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  Speaker 5: makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 5: I don't agree with Richard Sherman often, but right after
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  Speaker 5: that post game he said, he said, why why is
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  Speaker 5: this the postgame line of questioning Why aren't why can't
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  Speaker 5: this is like middle of the week post practice media
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  Speaker 5: availability stuff like why aren't we asking about the game?
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  Speaker 5: And I agree, I don't completely agree with that, because
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  Speaker 5: you you asked the questions that are relevant right now.
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  Speaker 5: Whenever you get the guy right, that's that's the way
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  Speaker 5: that you need to be in this business. But at
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  Speaker 5: the same time, I don't know that that needed to
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  Speaker 5: be every question in the press conference. You know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying in postgame pregame it's pregame uh availabilities.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how they handle that in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really more familiar with NBA, So maybe they don't
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  Speaker 5: do much pregame media availability like they do in the NBA,
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  Speaker 5: But when it when we have pregame with Will Hardy,
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  Speaker 5: for example, that often is like, hey, outside of the
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  Speaker 5: game kind of stuff, uh, stuff that's going on around
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  Speaker 5: the game, maybe like recent trends that we've seen, that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and then postgame is like, hey, let's
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  Speaker 5: talk about.
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  Speaker 3: This game that just happened.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good point that Richard Sherman makes in your echoing,
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  Speaker 2: but it also kind of speaks to how important it
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  Speaker 2: is and why it's important that you don't give people
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  Speaker 2: anything else to talk about. Because we are in now
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  Speaker 2: in media and look, I mean ESPN, the worldwide leader
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  Speaker 2: that like I'm talking about the parent company. It used
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  Speaker 2: to be like meat and potatoes, sports driving everything, and
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  Speaker 2: we have strayed far from that light to now it's
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  Speaker 2: hot takes, and now it's drama, and now it's baby
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  Speaker 2: Mama this and contract that and Lane Kiffin soap opera
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  Speaker 2: is all anyone wants to talk about, Like we have
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  Speaker 2: gotten away from as an American society and certainly unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: as a sports media, we've gotten away from the thing
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  Speaker 2: that really should drive conversation does drive fandom, which is
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  Speaker 2: the competition itself. People want to know about all the
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  Speaker 2: other storylines, and that's kind of the point here where
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  Speaker 2: if you give them something else to bite down on,
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  Speaker 2: that's what the media is gonna do.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not even.
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  Speaker 2: Pooka's fault that that's where we've gotten, and certainly not
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  Speaker 2: Sean mcvay's fault that that's where we've gotten. In a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: weird way, it's some of those reporters who are asking
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: questions about a tweet instead of asking questions about and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: overtime win. It's almost, in an odd way, not even
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: their faults. But nobody gets to leave that interaction feeling better.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Nobody gets to leave that interaction feeling happy about. I mean,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the Rams aren't going to anyway because they lost. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: if you're Sean McVay, even if you want to be
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: mad at the media and say like why are they
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: asking something like this? If Richard Sherman wants to be
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: mad at them, you know, you know what guarantee they
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: don't ask about that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: If you just don't give them something to ask about.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you if you don't tweet about the refs,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: you know less than twenty four hours after you got
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: a bunch of bad feedback and pushback for tweeting about
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: the or for talking about the refs online, like just
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: after you had a monster game, and obviously you had
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: the other stuff on the live stream, but that I
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: feel like was addressed well before the game with Pukah's apology,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: as you mentioned. So I really think it's now the
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: thing that everyone's biting down on that doesn't have anything
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: to do with the performance last night, is why is
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: he still talking about the refs?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if he doesn't do that talk about and
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: there wasn't even really anything controversial.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: There was the two point conversion, I think is the
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: only thing that you could say.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the two point conversion, which was one of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the craziest, most chaotic plays that we've seen in NFL football,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: certainly this season and maybe on a two point conversion.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: Honestly, it was absolutely nuts, right, So it was it
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: was effectively an incomplete pass dead play that Zach Sharbonnay
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: just like walked over and picked up the ball that
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: had fallen to the end zone harmlessly to move on
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: to the next thing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Failed conversion whatever.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: But but but they go back to the tape, they
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: do the review, and it's actually a backward pass that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: was deflected by the defender, which means it's the same
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: thing as if you knocked a pitch out of the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: air or if you interrupted a handoff. It is now
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a live ball rather than an incomplete pass because the.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Angle was going very, very very slightly backward.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: So instead of a big play for the Rams defense,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it ends up being kind of a flukeish, freakish, weird
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: accidental two point successful two point conversion for the Seahawks,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and that ends up being massively important in this game,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and after further events cascade, it's a Seahawks win.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But it was the correct call.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It was objectively the right call, the right outcome. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: if you're saying, oh, thanks a lot, refs, you shouldn't
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: have done that, what you're saying is that you don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: want the refs to adjudicate a game according to the rules.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: As odd as that was, it was not a judgment call.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: It was not like a, oh was this a tiki
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: tag holding? Was this a pass interference that maybe should
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: have gone the other way?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: That was a play that was video reviewed.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And they did the whole minutia thing, and they probably
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: have some guy on a screen with a pro tractor
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: at headquarters being like, that's a backward angle, guys, that's it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Are we getting too far with that? Though?
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: If that's because I as I agree that after they
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: slowed it down and they and they showed you the
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: just the right angle to show that, oh, that is
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: a fraction of an inch going backwards. Like, man, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: think we might have gotten a little too out of
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: hand with with how precise we're getting with this, as
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: weird as that is, just to say, like, why don't
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: we do everything that? I hate that we're doing everything
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to try to get it exactly right, but we're.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Getting we're getting things. We're getting too caught up and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: being correct. No, we're not too good. You don't think though, No, Well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: and here's another reason why.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Because anyone who's ever played Pop Warner football all the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: way through, if there is a lateral pass, okay that
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: might even remotely be close to being considered a lateral pass,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: anything that goes out into the flat any swing. How
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: many times, James have we watched a game where there's
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: an incomplete pass out to a little outlet to a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: running back or a screen that gets dropped or something
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: like that, and everybody, even though it's like pretty clear
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: that was a forward pass, everybody goes through the motion.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Of treating it like it was a lateral.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like how many defenders have wasted energy and steps
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: picking up a ball that went five yards forward from
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the quarterback's hand and running it back for what is
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: an imaginary touchdown.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: In their minds. That's true.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: We do that, and you do it based on exactly
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: this is an area just in case, treat it like
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a live ball because it might just be a live ball.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Right, And yeah, so anyway, maybe I I feel like
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: being mad about that play is in a is in
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: an odd way. You can say the same thing about
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: you said about what you said about being mad at
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: the media for the line of questioning, being mad at uh,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: being mad at Sean McVay for how he answered it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: It's like, no one's right, no, oddly, there's no one
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: to actually be mad at. But that play sucks for
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the ram, right, so you want to be mad about it,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: but there's actually nothing to be mad about. Even though
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: it kind of feels a little fish it can I
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: can see why it feels a little fishy from the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: ram's perspective, even though it wasn't right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, objectively, it wasn't it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Also it would have been It would have been better
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: almost if the Seahawks acknowledged that it was a lateral
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: pass and it was like a deliberate, very heads up
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: play in order to converge to recover. But it was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: just like an absent minded I'm gonna go pick this
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: thing up.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So and great for Zach Charbonnay for doing the thing
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: that every coach tries to drill into their players. Hey,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: just pick it up anyway, even if it's incomplete, Go
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and pick it up, because who knows?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Because who knows? And he did it, and I get it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It was a high stakes game and a really weird
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: scenario in a high stakes game. But at the end
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of the day, it was the correct call. So then
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: for you to have the best individual performance in that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: particular game, ultimately in a losing team at but you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: had an unbelievable day that would have silenced by itself,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: would have silenced a lot of the other stuff, the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: extra curricular, the off the field stuff. It would have
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: shifted the conversation about that onto your performance and then
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: instead you choose an axe to grind again against the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: referees for making the correct call and putting yourself back
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: in the spotlight, and then putting your coach in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: situation where he has to answer a question about that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It's just silly. It doesn't make sense. But and McVeigh
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: was so mad. Even if he's thinking that's.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Not Pooka's fault that they asked that question, he's also
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: thinking it is Puka's fault because he's the one who
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: tweeted unnecessarily.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm talking about.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That's my whole soapbox point here, that if you are
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the best player on the field and then you deliberately
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: give somebody something else to talk about besides you being
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the best player on the field, that's your fault and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that'd be dumb.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't do it, And it's not like Pooka
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: up to this point has been because you could say, like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: well to was definitely like that was definitely like that
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: best best player in the field a lot of the
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: time and gave people some stuff to talk about that
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: they that was unfortunate. Randy Moss was like that for
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: much of his career. But it's like Pooka has not
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: been that guy that's been look at me, look at me.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm always trying to get attention like some of
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: those other Hall of famers have been.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And it almost feels character a little bit.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It almost feels like somebody in his life, agent, whatever,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: somebody he listened to, took him aside and says, hey,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: just want to remind you know such thing as bad publicity,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and he like took it to heart, and now he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: making these boneheaded decisions and I just I don't want
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to see that continue for Pooka.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: But like, we'll move on. We got Sammy Moore joining
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: us here in a few minutes.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: We're here at the road Home media thon Alicia from
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the Road Home is kind of enough to sit down
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: with us and talk about, you know, the great cause
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that we're all trying to contribute to today.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Alicia, how are you?
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: I'm doing great?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: How are you great?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You can see I'm pretty fired up about that Thursday
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: night football game we saw last night.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yep, I love it. It's a little bit of fun,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: but yes, let's.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Get passionate about something that's far far more important than
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: silly sports talk. The Road Home media, though on every year,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: is a huge event. We're all very honored to be
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a part of it. What's our point of emphasis this year? Yes,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: we're raising money, Yes we're trying to get donations, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: where is like, I guess the real meat and potatoes
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: this year? Because I know the Road Home mission is consistent,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: new issues arise every season.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, so we are really trying to tackle ending family
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: homelessness here in Salt Lake County in Utah. We've seen
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: a significant number of families experiencing homelessness over the past
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: couple of years, I think due to things like the
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: housing affordability as well as you know, inflation, all of
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: those things, and so we really want to help ensure
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: that no family and especially no kids have to sleep
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: outside or go without shelter.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. Yesterday we get we
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: get the little print out of the numbers, the actual numbers,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and I got three little girls at home, and I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: was reading yesterday, all right, let's see how many eleven
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three people in the shelter.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And there's one hundred and ten families here.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I see the number of children in the shelter, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that they have a safe place, but
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it's also wow, that's jarring to think that two hundred
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: kids don't have a stable roof over the head, don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: know where they're gonna be, don't know what the meals
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: are gonna be coming from.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And man, that's why this mission is so important.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: No, And we're so grateful for the incredible support of
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: the community because we couldn't do what we do without them.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: And I think, you know, one of the things that's
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: so interesting is our mission not only is to provide
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: that shelter, that's just that first step, right, but then
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: we ultimately want to help people move back home where
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: they can, like you said, have that stable, safe space
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: to be in that's their very own. And so really
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: that's where so much of this as we think about,
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: you know, why we're raising this money is to ensure
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: that we can continue programs that are helping people move
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: out as quickly as possible.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You guys some generous supporters and donors that are really
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: stepping up. Eleven am today, noon today, one pm today,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: all day a Hutsman Family Foundation is matching dollar for
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: dollar up to one million dollars in donations.
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: Yes, it is incredible, and I think the great thing
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: about that is, you know, again, money gets tight for everyone,
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: you know, and we totally understand that. But if you
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: even have ten dollars, all of a sudden, that turns
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: into twenty, right, and it just exponentially grows. And even
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: though I think so often people think, oh it's just
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: a small donation, it's not going to matter, every single
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: donation I can tell you from being in the shelter
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: and seeing our teams work tirelessly every day to help
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: people move home is truly life saving.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Eight oh one eight one nine seventy three hundred the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: roadhome dot org or just straight up on venma. We're
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: also used to our post Veno PayPal at the road
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Home that's to go straight to a good cause.
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: It is, yes, and I always love the Venmo option
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: because everyone has money sitting in Venbo, so it's like
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: free money to just give away. You know, you won't
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: even miss it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: My wife and I have that argument all the Yes,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that's hilarious. You're welcome for that, Alicia. Thank you so
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: much for having us here.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Thanks for all the great work you do, and uh Yeah,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: let's try to get this donation pile rolling in at
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the road home on Venmo and PayPal.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: It's free money. You just heard Alicia said, free money.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: You've already got it, so thank you, thank you that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's how the economics actually work,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: but that's what I'm rolling with today for the donations.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Sammy Moore is going to join us next Utah Insider.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: She was at the Kyle Whittingham media availability. She'll give
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: us her insights in three minutes on the Shan O'Connell Show,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred ninety.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: She's listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: hond East of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: One half m John O'Connell Philly, ESPN seven hundred and
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: ninety two. One f them.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I got a poll question going up before we check
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: in with Sammy Mora who's at Kyleedingham's media availability yesterday,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Jake Paul, are you watching? He's got a fight on
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Netflix tonight against Anthony Joshua, who is a one time
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: heavyweight champion, like a real one in boxing, and I'm
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: not talking about thirty years ago. Anthony Joshua is still
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: age wise in his prime. Now, there's a lot of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: people that will tell you he's he's passed that a
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: little bit from an actual boxing standpoint, And there are
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: plenty of detractors of Anthony Joshua who don't think that
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he was ever, you know, truly elite. But he's his
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: mid thirties. He's thirty six years old, so just kind
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of rounding into that twilight phase. But for heavyweights in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: combat sports, they usually compete a little bit longer. Jake
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Paul is taking on not arguably definitely his biggest test,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: most legitimate test, and.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: You can watch it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Are you going to I mean, they said crazy viewing
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: numbers when he boxed Mike Tyson, But Mike Tyson is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a different animal popularity wise than Anthony Joshua.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna put the poll up.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'd like you to answer, are you watching Jake Paul
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: versus Anthony Joshua on Netflix? I I was gonna say
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: free on Netflix, even though it's technically not free, but
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Anyway, back to the matters
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: at hand, Sammy Moore is kind enough to join us
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Utah Football Insider managing editor over at Ute Zone and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: she was at the Kyle Whittingham media availability, the first
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: scrum since.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: He's step down. As you tell football's head coach Sammy, welcome,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: how are you?
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: I'm doing great today, OC, how are you doing?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Let's get right into it, Kyle Whittingham. I think that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: you and the gathered media asked the right questions. You know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: why why did you decide that now is the time?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And he gave an answer that is now starting to
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: sound a little bit rehearsed because we heard it him
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: say similar things against or not against. But when he
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: was on with Scott Mitchell on ESPN seven hundred yesterday,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: you know, program's in a good place. Coach Scalley's going
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to do great things and he's saying all that, which
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: is the right thing to say. All those things are true,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: but also with this hanging thing like but I'm probably
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: not done coaching, or I'm maybe not done coaching. Give
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: me your sins of what Kyle Whittingham's future holds.
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: Honestly, I could very much see him.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: I know people are saying that he has gassed the
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: left in the tank, and you know that could very
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: well be the case, but also like if he was
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: to go to another college program, they're gonna have to
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: play the same song and dance that Utah has been
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: playing the last few years of well, is he going
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: to retire now or is he gonna stay or what's
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: going on? And so I honestly would not be shocked
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: if like this was just smoking mirrors to a certain extent,
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: And I don't. I have a hard time believing that
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: Kyle is going to be coaching somewhere next year. And
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: like again, I always preface everything I say with things
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: change fast in this industry. One day it could be
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: leaning some one way and the next minute it's leaning
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: a different way. But as I currently stand, I just
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: I have a hard time seeing Kyle coaching anywhere next
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: year or even ever again.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: So here's for the sake of the conversation.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Everything we know about Kyle Whittingham is that he's not
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: an attention seeking type guy and that he just doesn't
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: want to be the focus of things. He's always kind
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of deferred to players. It's all about the players, It's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: all about my assistant coaches. Did now, Look, we know
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that every head coach has a certain level of ego
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: but Kyle's is not demonstrated in a way where he's like, hey,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: keep talking about me.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: That's a Dion Sanders thing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: He's also an intelligent man who has to know that
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: leaving this question out there still to be answered officially
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: makes people talk more about him than if you just said, hey,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I'm done, I'm retiring. So if he's not going to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: coach anywhere, why would he even entertain that possibility Because
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: he's not the type of guy, at least we think
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: he's not the type of guy who likes being talked
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: about unnecessarily.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: I honestly, I have no clue. That's the thing that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: kind of weird about this situation because, like you said,
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: like even yesterday in the press conference, like ninety five
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: percent of it was about him stepping down, and at
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: one point he literally said, can we talk about the
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: guys on the team? Like it's very clear that he
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: did not want to talk about himself more than he
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: had to. I think he knew that he was gonna
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: have to answer some questions because obviously this was the
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: first time he's been available since he announced he stepped down.
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's like he's very much that guy. He
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: doesn't want to talk about himself. He wants to talk
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: about his team. You know, It's always been the like that,
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: like exactly how you phrased it is, like, I, it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: not about me, It's about my team, it's about my assistance,
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: about every it's about everything but me. So that's why
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: I'm like, this whole thing is kind of like weird
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: to me because I don't that's not that's not KYLE'SMO.
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: That's not who Kyle is. And I've covered him for
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: almost ten years now at this point, and that's never
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: how it's been with him.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like, and I have a poll question
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: up at realoc Sports about this, do you feel like
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: when he tells you when the when you're there right, hey,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: why is the right time? And he gives this kind
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: of loquacious answer about you know, all the boxes being checked.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's one hundred percent of Kyle
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Whittingham decision that he wanted to walk away, that now
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: really was the right time for him?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Or we've all heard the same rumors.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: We've all you know, had people from whatever source telling
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: us like, ah, there's more to it than that. Was
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: there some encouragement? Was he given an ultimatum of sorts.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Was he nudged, was he pushed out? Or was this
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent of Kyle Whittingham saying voluntarily?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I am done.
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: Honestly, I've heard so many different things from so many
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: different people, and I think a lot of us in
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: the media have heard and that's why it's been kind
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: of like that that will he won't, he type saying like,
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: one minute, I hear from sources that like, yeah, of
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: his own volition, and in the next minute, I'm hearing
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: like other things. And I think that that's what makes
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: this so interesting. But I think the big thing that
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: like people are seeming to gloss over is also the
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: fact that he said that Kyle said he wanted to
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: leave the program in a better position than he found it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: And right now, if you look at based on what
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: people expect to be coming back for next year's team, like,
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: that's a great thing for Scally to have in his
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: first season. And I think that that's smart, like, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: leave it better than you found it, because it's a
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: lot easier when you have a returning quarterback or returning
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: backup you have key pieces at every position that are
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: expected to come back it's a lot easier to want
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: to step away from something then then you know, like
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: how it was last year where it was a five
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: and seventeen, lots of questions surrounding everybody, everything was not
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: looking great, and that was not a position that Kyle
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: wanted to leave it in. So it's it's this is like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: this is probably one of the weirdest situations I've covered
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: in my time, like because of how just different sources
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: are saying different things all over the board, like and
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: I no one seems to have an exact answers to
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: which way things went and why we're in the position
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: that we're in.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to push on you a little bit here, Sammy,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: because I'm that kind of a jerk, Like do you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: think that Kyle Whittingham was nudged or that he he wanted.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: To be done?
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: I can't believe you're putting me on the spot like
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: this OCS because I can see it. I can honestly
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: see it being both ways. I can see him being like, Okay,
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: well it's time to you know, hang it up, because
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: like you know, he's making comments about at like the
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: I keep coming back to the Kansas State game. He's
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: getting emotional in the post in the postgame press conference,
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: and then he plays it off as he's it's a
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: senior class, like he has never been emotional about a
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: senior class before, and then flip side, I could see
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: him seeing what is on this roster potentially for next
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: year and being wanting wanting to keep going. So I
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: like it switches from day to day with me, Like
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: I think that there were there was some parts of
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: him that wanted to stay, but I also think there
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: were some parts of him that wanted to, you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: hang it off and stuff.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That's honestly where I'm kind of netting out on this
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: thing too, because we're all in the same spot.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: You hear a new piece of information and you're like, oh,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: maybe it was.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Kind of like a I'm forcing this upon you, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: then you hear something else It's like now and I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: totally with you. I mean, I've been on the air
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: all year long saying this is it. Enjoy it while
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: at last he's got to be done. And you know
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that same thing Kansas State game. I was one hundred
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: percent sure after this Kansas State game. I put it
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: at ninety nine point nine because you always have to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: allow for some variability, but I was certain that that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: was that and that you know, the conversation over the
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: last but it's been about three weeks alters even my
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: own perception of a little bit.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: So it's tough.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Let's let's get to something on the roster front here.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: So I get we're coming up on like what two
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: weeks ago that we got the announcement that Bird Fickland
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: had extended his time at the University of Utah. They
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: have a new agreement in place, et cetera, et cetera.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Which is strange that we're talking about contracts, but that's
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: where we're at in college football, and I've been kind
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of waiting to see if we're going to get the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: same thing with Devin dan Pierre. If you're paying attention
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to Arizona State message board, they've all decided that Devin
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: dan Pierre is their next starting quarterback after Sam.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Levitt departed the program.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: What are you hearing about the quarterback situation at the
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: University of Utah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: Well, we actually got a chance to talk to Devin
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: yesterday also, and I published a story on utzone dot
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: com with with full quotes from his press conference. But
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: he said like I'm excited to still be a ute.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: He spent a lot of time talking with Scaley when
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: he was when he's in the portal at this time
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: last year, he said, I'm perfectly fine where I'm at.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: He also said that him and Byrd were planning on
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: making an announcement together, but then when Bird's contract got leaked,
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: it kind of threw everything off. But he said, y'all
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: gonna see. I'm very happy to be here. So I'm
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: I've been working under the impression and I've heard from
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: people that Devin's walked in for next year, but we
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: just don't have a formal announcement as of right now.
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: But Devin and having Devin and if if if everything
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: that I've heard is true, and that Devin really is
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: coming back and that you know, all the stuff he
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: was saying in his press conference yesterday also is true. Like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: I think it's a it's a massive thing that you
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: have both Devin and Bird coming back for next year.
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: I know there's been a lot of you know, anger
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: and stuff with Utah fans about not having a competent
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: backup for the last few years, and I think that
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: Bird proved that he can be a competent backup and
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: that he can handle business when his number is called.
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: So I think, you know, having not being involved in
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: a quarterback cycle in the portal, I think is actually
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: a good thing for Utah with you know, the changes
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: in the head coaching in the head coaching department as well.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for next July and August when people,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: when you fans, forget all about where we're how we're
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: feeling now, and people are getting mad that they've spent
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: money on two quarterbacks. If that's what ends up happening, right,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's always just going to be something to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: get people all stirred up. Uh, the the bowl game coming,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Kyle Woitningham said that the Fanos and Caleb Lomo are
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the only ones who have opted out.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: That's what he's That's that's what he said, And until
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: I hear otherwise from my sources, I'm just gonna roll
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: with that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I totally understand why Spencer and Kayleb Barnes gonna be
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: participating in the Vegas Bowl. That's the norm now in
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: college football. I kind of would like to ask Logan
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Fane why he's not.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: You're ready to turn the page, your brother's turn on
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the page, et cetera. But like, you're in a very
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: very different world, in a very very different conversation if
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: you're Logan Fano than if you're Spencer Fanal.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I would have liked to have seen him play in
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: this game.
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: I think with Logan the big thing is, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: he's he's had a rough He's had tough sledding in
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: terms of injury during his time in college, and I
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: think that's the big thing for him is why risk
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: it for one more game when it's being Everyone touts
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: it now as as a glorified exhibition game, so I
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: get it to a certain extent, but also like I'm
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: in the same boat where I'm kind of like you
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: could use a little bit more film to just kind
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: of like push yourself over the edge. But you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: obviously he talked to his team, and his team said
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: this is the best thing for him to do, So
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: he's listening to his team.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So correct me if I'm wrong.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But it feels like the sentiment with bowl games for
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the most part, Like in a normal year, you're going
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to the Vegas Bowl, and obviously some fans are going
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to travel.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: We all want to see Utah win a game, but you.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Treat it like it's the Vegas Bowl and it's kind
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of an extension of spring ball, and hey, what does
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: this look like? I don't know that people really care
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: that much about winning or losing bowl games in a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: normal year, but this is anything but a normal year.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: How significant? How important is the Vegas Bowl given that
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it is the last time we see Kyle witting him
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: on a Utah sideline. It is the start of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scaley era, and it is potentially, you know, an
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: eleven win season if you can cap it off with
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: a victory over a very, very beatable Nebraska team.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: See.
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: I know that people are like anti bowl games now
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: and like if you're not in the playoffs, it doesn't
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: really matter. I still am of the belief that bowl
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: game press is more important than the actual game. You know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: year after year, Kyle talked about how important those fifteen
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: extra practices were for some of the younger guys that
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: you know, like guys that might be starters next year,
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: might be competing for starting time next it comes spring football.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: So I'm still under the impression and I'm still under
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: the belief that. I think the fifteen practices and the
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: live reps are very important for those younger guys, those
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: younger guys that might be stepping into a you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: a starting role next year or a bigger role or
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: things like that. And you know, it's a little bit
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: different this year with only those three players opting out.
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: As of right now, we've had Bowl games where it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: been like ten or twelve guys opt out, and you're
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: seeing a lot of younger guys out there. But it's
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: still important. I'm I still think it's important. I know
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: that's probably the minority and not the same view a
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: lot of people have, but I'm still pro, still pro
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: Bowl games, especially from a developmental standpoint.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Sammy, it's a great pleasure to have you on the show.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Have a very merry Christmas, have a wonderful holiday season,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and we'll chat again.
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: So you two see, thanks for having me.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Sammy mora managing editor over at yout zone. She has
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: full write up, full quotes from the media availability go
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: check it out at yout.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Zone dot com.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Also, she's been kind enough to lend us some of
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: that We have Kyle Whittingham sound by the way that
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get to on the show at some point here.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: You know what, Maybe we'll do it in the hot
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: lunch which is coming in three minutes. It's a Sean
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred ninety.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: This is the Sean O'Connell show. You were Home of
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  Speaker 1: the Best Inside You're let's get back to WOC from
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven nine am.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Shaw coming at you from the road Home
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Media Thon today eight on one, eight one, three hundred,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the Roadhome dot org or on venmo and PayPal for
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: your monetary donations at the road Home. They've also got
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: needs for underwear, bottles and sippy cups, towels, coats, boots, hats, gloves,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: size five and six, diapers, lotion, shampoo, conditioners and body wash.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of great partners, a lot of great support
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: coming into the road Home today. We still need more
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and more and more donations. The Media Thon wraps up
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: tonight at seven, So get things down here to Midvale
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: if you can. Five twenty nine West Ninth Avenue. What
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: are the big time supporting local businesses? And everyone loves
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: a good Chick fil a Andrew from Chick fil A
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: happy to sit down with you, sir.
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: How are you hey, I'm good. What an honor it
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: is to beyond the Sean O'Connell show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: What a pleasure. Well, that's nice of you to say.
• 49:03
  Speaker 11: So.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: There's like a mild pause and a little bit of
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: applause from the gathered media here when the Chick fil
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: A comes rolling in. You got the nuggets, you got
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the sandos. Of course you got the fruit. But it's
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: not all about just catering this event. I know that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: you and Chick fil A are big supporters of the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Road Home.
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: Yes, I mean it was fun walking in and everyone
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: perks up, Everyone gets excited. Some don't even wait until
• 49:26
  Speaker 10: we pull it out of the bags.
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: They're ready.
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: They're grabbing and helping themselves. But yeah, what a great
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: organization to partner with. We've been partners with the Road
• 49:33
  Speaker 10: Home for a number of years now, and so many
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: needs here in our community, and these folks are right
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: here in our backyard, and so happy that we can
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: donate some of our surplus food that we have in
• 49:44
  Speaker 10: our restaurants to be able to feed those folks who
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: are experiencing homelessness across our state.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And I think a big reason why people feel so
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: good about supporting the Road Home is that it's.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Not designed to be a permanent solution what they're trying
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: It's be a transitional stopover point on these people's journey
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: out of homeless. This and so when you're contributing to
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: a cause like this, when Chick fil a is contributing
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: to a cause like this, you don't want to see
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: the same families. You don't want to see the same people,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and thankfully most of the time you don't.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a great organization. Today's fun.
• 50:18
  Speaker 10: I mean, we could to feed the media and bring
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: some some donations to But as you think about all
• 50:22
  Speaker 10: the needs that you just read off earlier, I mean,
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: these are all things that we take for granted, that
• 50:26
  Speaker 10: are sitting on our shelves, that we probably have in bulk,
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: that we buy on sale, and these are basic necessities
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: for some of these folks. So please look into your
• 50:34
  Speaker 10: cupboards and look and see how you can give out, donate.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: We've got matches going on today. There's so many different
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: ways that we could give back and help.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it really hits me. I've got I
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: got a two year old at home in size five diapers.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Year old and they hit size five and six diapers
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, man, I can't imagine needing that,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: needing a pack, needing one pull up to pull out.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Of it, whatever. And you're like, oh, I don't. I
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: don't have it and I don't have the money to
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: get it. So but as a dad, you know how
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: expensive those diapers. It's insane. It's so expensive.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, but big thanks to you. Obviously, I'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: going to be taking more than my share.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Please. Absolutely.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I hope everyone here MG tent is aware that I
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: will be eating way too much Chick fil a.
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: We've got plenty of that. We got free refills on
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: your chicken sandwich whatever you need it. No, but thanks
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: for having us here, and you know, a great reminder
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: to give back, but also good reminder to eat more chicken.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Andrew, thanks for suing down with us here for
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: a second.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Make sure you're supporting your local Chick fil A's, because
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: they are supporting your local communities. And that's a massive
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: part of what the Road Home does. It gets people
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: back on their feet through support. And I will tell
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a quick little story here because we got to take
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: a break and come back with Shanjay Rajah. Two years ago,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: we came down to the road Home and a guy
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I knew from my college days walks up and he's
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: he's now working with the road Home. He's at he's
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: at the road Home helping out with this event, and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen him in a while.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Gave him a big hug.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: We were we were catching up as right before I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: went on the show, and I was like, I got
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: to know you were working here and he said, oh, no,
• 52:12
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  Speaker 2: Seanji Roger joined us next on The Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 1: So you are listening to the Sean O'Connell Show your
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  Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Hundai Studio of ESPN seven nine one
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  Speaker 3: The Day that I die. Welcome to our number two
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  Speaker 3: on the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in one of our
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  Speaker 3: favorite game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Shahan jiah Rajah, National College football Insider over at
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: CBS Sports.
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  Speaker 3: Shahan, Welcome to the show. It's been a while. How
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: are you, sir.
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  Speaker 13: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I would be remiss.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I want to get to these college football playoff games
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: that are coming and postseason awards and all that great
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: stuff on the national front. But I would be remiss
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: if I didn't ask you your thoughts on the story
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: of the day, the story of the week, the story
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: of the year. Kyle Whittingham is done at the University
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: of Utah after twenty one seasons.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: When you heard the news, When you saw the news,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: what were your first thoughts?
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: Well, look, I don't think I was incredibly surprised. I
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: think that a lot of us thought that if they
• 54:41
  Speaker 13: had a good season, that this would probably be it
• 54:43
  Speaker 13: for Kyle Wadingham. We knew that he didn't want to leave,
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: certainly last year after a five and seven and to
• 54:49
  Speaker 13: be a ten win team, to contend for a conference championship,
• 54:52
  Speaker 13: to be in the top fifteam of the College Football
• 54:54
  Speaker 13: Playoff rankings, like it felt like a fitting way to go.
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: And I think that ultimately, I mean, when you start
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: transitioning to a new head coach and Morgan Scalley, I mean,
• 55:03
  Speaker 13: he's taking over a program that's in really good shape. Now,
• 55:06
  Speaker 13: obviously they have some pieces that they're gonna have for replace,
• 55:09
  Speaker 13: especially on the offensive line, but I think that at
• 55:12
  Speaker 13: least the vision long term for the program remains the same. No,
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: it's only been interesting to see Kyle Whittingham's kind of
• 55:19
  Speaker 13: statements after the fact that, you know, let's see what
• 55:22
  Speaker 13: opportunities are out there. You know, we've heard his name
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: floated for that open Michigan job, for example, and it'll
• 55:28
  Speaker 13: be interesting to see does he want to kind of
• 55:30
  Speaker 13: start over at this point in his career. But I
• 55:34
  Speaker 13: think that, certainly I give him a lot of credit.
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: I know that it probably wasn't easy, and there probably
• 55:38
  Speaker 13: was a little bit of a back and forth about it,
• 55:41
  Speaker 13: but for stepping down and understanding it's time to move on.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: If you were a betting man, would you say that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: you're you find it more likely that he will be
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: coaching somewhere else next year, or that we see Kyle
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Whittingham in some other capacity, maybe even in just the
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: retirement capacity.
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I do think that he is going to be
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: involved in this process that Michigan is going to depend Obviously,
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: what the athletic department wants to do. Do they want
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: somebody to caretake for the next couple of years or
• 56:14
  Speaker 13: do they want to kind of turn the page right now?
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: I guess you could say I tend to believe that
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: they're going to go the ladder direction, try to find
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: a long term higher I think that from my perspective,
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: I bet Kyle Weddingham, especially this offseason, to be very
• 56:29
  Speaker 13: involved in different processes. But I do think that ultimately
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: he's going to end up kind of stepping away and retiring.
• 56:37
  Speaker 13: I think that, you know, look, I mean, obviously Ky
• 56:39
  Speaker 13: w Weddingham has been pretty clear in his career, like
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: he doesn't see himself as somebody's going to coach into
• 56:44
  Speaker 13: his old old age.
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: It's much easier to say that than it is to
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: do that when you're actually at this point. But I
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: do think that, you know, here's here's a reality too
• 56:54
  Speaker 13: for let's say, you know, sort of other jobs out there. Like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: you know, I don't know that you want to say, hey,
• 57:01
  Speaker 13: we're gonna we're gonna bet the next five years on
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: Kyle Whittingham at seventy one, right, Like, I think that's
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: a decision that every athletic department's gonna have to make,
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: and that's also a decision he's gonna have to make,
• 57:11
  Speaker 13: so ultimately I think that he does ultimately hang it up.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Shahanji Raja is our guest here talking all things college football.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: We start with a Kyle Whittingham question.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: We move things to more of a national focus, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: it still has a lot to do with the Utes.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It's a national award that we've never seen one by
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a ute in the past, but Spencer Fano took down
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: the Outland Trophy this year, first Ute in the program's
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: history to do so, and kind of like a I
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's a culmination moment or just a
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: perpetuation of a trend that has been really encouraging for
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Utah fans. They've had a lot of good offensive linemen
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: very recently and a lot of good offensive line recruits
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: seem to be focusing on the program and even signing
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: with the program. How much does one of those trophies
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: in the case helped that, cause when we're talking about
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: not a Heisman, but one of these position specifics national awards,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: can it have a meaningful impact on recruiting?
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it just solidifies what Utah has been selling, right,
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: I mean the level of talent, like you said that
• 58:16
  Speaker 13: they've had come through and this isn't a short term thing.
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: But you know, I do think back to kind of
• 58:21
  Speaker 13: after that twenty eighteen team. I think it was the
• 58:25
  Speaker 13: Tyler Huntley team. You know, that was really good, but
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: when they got to that bowl game, I mean, they
• 58:29
  Speaker 13: were just not able to hang up front. I think
• 58:31
  Speaker 13: over the last five years or so, they have really
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: invested in that direction in a big way. I mean,
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: you look at this offensive line this year. I would
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: make the case it was a top three to five
• 58:42
  Speaker 13: offensive line in all of college football, certainly to me,
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: the best in the Big twelve. You have a player
• 58:47
  Speaker 13: like Censer Fonda, but you also have Caleb Loan, but
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: you also have three upperclassmen on the interior. Like this
• 58:53
  Speaker 13: was such a good offensive line, and I think it's
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: already started to pay dividends in recruiting, like you mentioned,
• 58:58
  Speaker 13: And so I think that this is sort of, like
• 59:00
  Speaker 13: you said, the culmination in a lot of ways of
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: what they've been selling. And now, I mean, if you
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: are a recruit, especially if you're one in the Western US,
• 59:08
  Speaker 13: like this is one of these things that you're programs
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: for developing offensive linemen and putting them into the NFL.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: We expect that that kind of team identity, the toughness,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: the trench play, things like that will be a point
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: of focus for the new head coach, Morgan Scally as well.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: We saw Kyle Whittingham making his first transition from coordinator
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to head coach at the University of Utah twenty one
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: years ago, and look, there's growing pains associated with it
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: and figuring out how you're going to be as a
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: head coach. What you've learned from other guys that you're
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: going to take, what you've learned from other guys that
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to keep as part of your program.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: And now you've got obviously the finances, the nil stuff,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: the revenue sharing that comes into play as well in
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: terms of sustaining goodness or greatness in a program. How
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: tough a job is this going to be for Morgan
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Scaley to be the next guy after Kyle Whittingham.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 13: Well, it's interesting, right because in some ways it's not
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 13: hard at all, and in some ways it's incredibly hard
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 13: because I think that's like Kyle Whittingham before when he
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: took over from Urban Meyer. There's already so much infrastructure
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: in place, Like you already know what works here. You've
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: already been a part of the developmental process, of the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 13: strength and conditioning process, even of the you know, hiring
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 13: it offensive coordinator and Jason Beck and the NIL and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: general manager all those processes too, right, Like you've been
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: around that in a successful way with Kyle Whittingham. But
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 13: also this is sort of the time when you have
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: to decide, Okay, what's not serving us well with coaches
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 13: that I've worked with for years, are not serving us well,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: and maybe we need to go in a different direction.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: What philosophically maybe was Kyle Whittingham behind on. I think
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: that actually the offensive coordinator higher last year was a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: huge part of resolving some of that. But there's gonna
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 13: be other things that you kind of have to decide
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: that your mentor maybe didn't do in a way that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 13: aligns with how you think. So that's I think the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: hardest thing is is trying to have a critical eye
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 13: of a place that has been so successful for the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: past two decades. But I mean, again, he has as
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 13: much support around him as any first year coach will
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 13: in college football next year.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: We've seen already, even though the transfer portal is not
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: yet open, we've seen some pretty important players in the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Big twelve Conference make their intentions known to enter the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: transfer portal and perhaps find greener past years. The Arizona
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: State saga has been going on for a couple of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: weeks already with the.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Sam Levitt situation Soresby Hoover.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a bunch of guys, especially quarterbacks, that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: have decided that you know, they're going to move on.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I have a fear that probably is rooted in my
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: insecurities covering the Pac twelve Conference for too long, that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: you know, excellent play in the Big Twelve leads to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: transfer to the Big ten of the SEC, and that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve ends up being kind of a developmental
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: league for those teams in the bigger conferences or the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: more wealthy conferences. How does the Big twelve avoid that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: fate on an individual personnel.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 13: Front, Well, I'll say two things about it. One, I mean,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: Tennessee's quarterback job came open last year and they threw
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: a lot of money around to try to get a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: number of quarterbacks from the Big Twelve, and none of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: them moved ultimately. In fact, there were I think twelve
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 13: returning quarterbacks in the Big Twelve last year, and all
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: of them stayed put until the Jake Retz last saga.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: So there is some proof of concept of teams just
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 13: being able and willing to retain players that they want
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: to keep. Now, of course, we have more of this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: year moving Josh Suber at TCU is moving Sam Levitt
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 13: at Arizona State. But I do think that some of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 13: that also just has to do with opportunity and that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: they feel like maybe they've accomplished all they came with
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 13: their program. I don't necessarily think that it's strictly well,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 13: I don't, you know, think that I can succeed at
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 13: this level or whatever. So I think that ultimately, I mean,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 13: on one hand, I'm not as worried about it because
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: I think that we have track record and proof of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 13: concepts of guys staying put. And two, I think that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 13: the other piece of it on the individual school level
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: is you do have to continue to rev up your
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 13: rev share and ultimately, like you're not gonna be able
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 13: to keep everybody. That's just the reality of the situation.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 13: I mean, George is dealing with that right now, like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 13: George is losing guys because guys are getting paid. There
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 13: was a story of Missouri's top edgeresher this year was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 13: a guy that Georgia really wanted to keep, and they
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: just came in at money with him. Actually, Missouri in
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 13: another case two years ago, came in into Oklahoma's only
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: returning offensive lineman and they really wanted to keep them.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: Like this is not unique to the Big Twelve, but
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 13: I think that you need to try to up your
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 13: rev share number and your nil number, so at least
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 13: try to be competitive in that field.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Utah has decided to explore private equity as a way
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: to close some of that gap. The Big Twelve has
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: made announcements that there's conversations and potentially, you know, that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: could be something that could help the entire conference.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Where do you stand on that.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: It's a departure from the norms of college football, but
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: the norms of college football have been gone for almost
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: a decade now.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, it's obviously such a wild time in
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: college athletics, and you know, we have these two things
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 13: on the table right The University of Utah has sort
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 13: of taken a private equity money, which is giving up
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 13: some ownership of their athletic department in exchange for a compensation,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: and then the Big twelve has done more of a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 13: private debt deal right where it's essentially a loan that's available.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 13: And I think for me, I'm always going to be
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: more wary about equity because I think that when you
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: start having people who are actual like owners and stakeholders
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: in your organization that you don't necessarily want, that's I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: think you run into some complication. I think, you know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: private debt, that sort of step. I think that's a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 13: little bit less a big deal, though also you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 13: I think also a complicated situation, but I mean I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 13: get it at the same time, Right there are schools,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 13: especially on the lower end of the Big Twelve, that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: are just going to struggle to come up with the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 13: money to pay rosters at the level that they need to.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: So it's a tough ballance. I mean, we're seeing the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: Big Ten and some of their schools also end up
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 13: in this position where they're talking about private capital and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: stuff like that. So it's not unique to the Big Twelve,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: but it's something that I would be extremely wary of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: and make sure.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: That you have a good deal Shahan J.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Roger for a couple more minutes National College Football Insideer
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: over at CBS Sports. So now we're getting to the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: meat and potatoes of why we play a football regular season.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: The Expanded College Football Playoff has twelve teams in it.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've settled on the final iteration of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: what this playoff is going to look like, especially after
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: two group of five teams got into this year's bracket.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: It's probably not the right way to ask this question,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: but did the committee get it right as far as
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: what the parameters were here in twenty twenty five?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 13: Well, I feel like the committee frankly undervalued BYU. I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: think that that should have been a team that was
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: in over a Miami over in Alabama. But you know,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: I think that that's just one that they seem to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: really just not value BYU in that sense. And this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: has been true for multiple years. But you know, when
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: you talk about some of their final decisions, right, I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 13: think the Alabama and Miami over Notre Dame, I think
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: was probably the right call. You know, the head to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 13: head thing has to matter. I don't think that it
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 13: should have taken until the last week for it to happen,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: but I think that it should have mattered and the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 13: reality is too right, like when you put James Madison
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: in the top twenty five and they win, and then
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 13: Duke pulls it up so that you can't be upset
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 13: when the five lost ACC team gets less out for
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: the one last Sunbollance team, Like, I think that's how
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 13: it should be. So I don't love their process of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: getting there. I think that the weekly TV shows ultimately
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 13: were a major complicating factor for a lot of teams
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 13: that I think frankly impacted the integrity of their process.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 13: But I do think that outside of BYU, in my opinion,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 13: getting screwed, I think that this is probably the right twelve.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Teams because the current existing rules set kind of force
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the hand of getting JMU in and two Lane in.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Do you think that that set of parameters gets adjusted
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: even as as soon as this offseason.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 13: Well, so, what we've heard is that there was a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 13: memorandum of understanding that essentially does guarantee that four that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 13: the four Power Conferences will get auto bid setting forward,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: which I mean, to me, I don't love, but you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: that's that's the reality of the situation. I think the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 13: bigger thing though, is that it like, if you're the ACC,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 13: you better fix those tiebreakers. Because Miami was tied with
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 13: Duke for a thought in the in the championship game,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 13: and ultimately it was some ridiculous tidebreakers that kept them out.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 13: We've seen other conferences, like the Americans explicitly go to hey,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 13: whichever team is ranked highest in the CFP rankings wins
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 13: the tiebreaker. I think that's something that other conferences are
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  Speaker 13: gonna have to consider. You just have to put yourself
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  Speaker 13: in the best position possible to go and try to
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  Speaker 13: get your best teams on that stage. So I think
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  Speaker 13: that's the bigger issue. But again we've already seen some
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  Speaker 13: movement on the trying to rig it. I guess for
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  Speaker 2: Who's gonna make make it a more interesting game? James
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  Speaker 2: Madison against Oregon or Too Laying against Old Miss.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think I think both from the perspective of
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  Speaker 13: team quality and also opponent quality, I think it's got
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  Speaker 13: to be Too Lane versus Old Miss. They played earlier
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  Speaker 13: this year and it wasn't competitive, but you know it
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  Speaker 13: was obviously minutes essentially after Jake Resloff showed up. I
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  Speaker 13: think this is a different TWU lane team, and I
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  Speaker 13: think this is also a different Old Miss team. A
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  Speaker 13: lot of chaos going on there. Their head coaches left
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 13: a lot of assistant turnover that they're still trying to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 13: figure out. Like I think that Ole Miss is a
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  Speaker 13: messier team right now than Tulane, even with Tulane, by
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 13: the way, also dealing with the coaching change, and so
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  Speaker 13: I think a ba's to the team that probably is
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  Speaker 13: more competitive in that game. I think that for James Madison,
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  Speaker 13: I think they're going to have some success defensively, I
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  Speaker 13: just don't see how they move the ball against this
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  Speaker 13: Oregon defense.
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  Speaker 2: One of the conversations around and expanded college football playoffs
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  Speaker 2: before we settled on a twelve team model has been
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  Speaker 2: how many national championship contenders are there really even if
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  Speaker 2: you expand the field to twelve. I mean, do we
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  Speaker 2: think Tulane is going to win against ole Miss? But
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  Speaker 2: then are they going to beat Georgia? And then are
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  Speaker 2: they going to beat Indiana or Texas Tech. I'm willing
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  Speaker 2: to hear out those conversations of the twelve team field.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: How many teams do you think actually have a shot
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  Speaker 2: at winning this year's National Championship.
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  Speaker 13: I think that the most generous number that you can
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  Speaker 13: put out is seven, and I would actually not include
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  Speaker 13: Ole Miss and that I would not include Alabama or Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 13: and that I would actually include Texa and m in
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 13: Miami in that I think that those two teams, if
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 13: they play to their potential that we saw at points
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 13: this season, they have the ability to get hot. I
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  Speaker 13: don't think that any of those other teams can, and
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  Speaker 13: of course the top five I think are all capable
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  Speaker 13: of it with the way that they've played this year.
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  Speaker 13: I mean when you look at Oregon, of course not
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 13: as battle tests as the team, but I think as
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  Speaker 13: complete a team as there is in college football right now.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, Indiana is obviously done what they've done in
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 13: Ohio State, Georgia and Texas Tech is kind of the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 13: interesting wildcard. But I think at their defense, I think
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 13: the defense might be the best in the country. Like
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 13: I think that they might be that good. And I
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  Speaker 13: think that people that don't have a good read of
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  Speaker 13: Tech Tech's offense because they played a really good BYU
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 13: defense and both matchups that we saw, so I think
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  Speaker 13: that actually I think that honestly, as many as seven
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 13: could get there, but it could also be Frankly as
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  Speaker 13: few as three I.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to zero in on Texas Tech because obviously, you know,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: were we paid close attention. They They played a really
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  Speaker 2: interesting game up at Rice Cycle Stadium. Ultimately the flood
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  Speaker 2: gates open for Texas Tech late in that one, and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: they smashed Utah. They beat BYU twice and very convincingly
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: both times, especially in that conference championship game, and I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: agree that they do belong in the conversation a national
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: championship contender. The thing that's most interesting about it to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: me is there's a not that it's a surprise, but
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: you know, there's kind of a proof of concept game
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: that could be played here with Texas Tech that this
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: this big time donor alum comes in. It makes them
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: really kind of the destination in the transfer portal. They
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: had a lot of focus on that, but then the
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  Speaker 2: development of those transfer portal players and the cohesion of
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  Speaker 2: those transfer portal players felt like it was really unique
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  Speaker 2: in Lubbock, even compared to other teams that did well
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  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal. I mean, if they can pull
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  Speaker 2: it off, Sehan, they kind of bought themselves a national
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  Speaker 2: championship through Cody Campbell, and you got to give Maguire
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: credit for being able to take players like David Bailey,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: like Romelo Heights and make them better at Texas Tech
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  Speaker 2: than they were at any of their other stops.
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  Speaker 13: No, And I think that's the huge thing that people
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 13: honestly don't talk enough about with Texas Sack is that
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  Speaker 13: they were very targeted with who they got. They were
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 13: very specific with what holes they were looking to fill
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 13: on their roster. And I think that also because they've
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 13: had such a plan for their players, they've managed, like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 13: you said, to get more out of these guys than
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 13: I think any other program has out of their transfers.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 13: This is the success that every level of the organization.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 13: A lot of people are gonna view it as well.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 13: If we just spend even more and more and more
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: and get better, better transfers, that's the plan. That's only
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: one piece of it, right. It's having a really good
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: read on your roster. It's about having a really good
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 13: understanding of who you're scouting and what you're getting out
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 13: of these transfers. Like it is a success in every
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: level of the organization. So there's going to be some
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 13: frankly bad versions of this in the next year or
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 13: two with teams just kind of throwing crazy money around
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: and hoping that it's sticks, and there's gonna be one
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: or two other teams, I think, you know, and again
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 13: like obviously there's the tech compan also, I think you
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 13: could point to like the Indiana coom of just being like,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 13: we're gonna find players who are really targeted, who fit
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: what we need, who fit our team culture, who fit
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: our style and scheme, and we're just gonna figure it out.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: So I definitely think that there will be other programs
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 13: trying to replicate it, and the ones that are smart
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 13: and the ones who have success are gonna be the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 13: ones who understand every step of that process.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Well to the point you just made, do we have
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: to get used to the idea that Indiana is now
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: a bonafide national football power as long as they've got
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I think that everything has changed in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 13: Bloomington to say the least. I mean, the level of
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 13: investment monetarily that they've added, I think is significant. The
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 13: success that they've had with coordinators and with quarterbacks is significant. Like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 13: if you're a quarterback right now, there's no place you'd
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: rather go this offseason as a transfer than the University
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: of Indiana. So I think that's gonna be something interesting
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 13: to watch.
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  Speaker 12: Now, here's one thing.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 13: I'll say is that a lot of their best players
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 13: were guys who developed at James Madison under Kurt Signetti
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 13: and then transferred over to Indiana, like multiple All Americans
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: Eighties Fisher, D'Angelo Ponds, Mikhale Kamara, like all these guys,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 13: Elijah Suratt, right, and so we're gonna have to see
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: if they can create this next generation of them that
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: I think going to be a legitimate challenge. But also
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  Speaker 13: with the success that they had with guys they were
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 13: able to get at James Madison, you have to think
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 13: that they can replicate it.
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  Speaker 3: Who's gonna win the national championship? Shanjia Roger.
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  Speaker 13: I have Ohio State going back to back. I think
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  Speaker 13: that this is as open a year as there's been
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 13: in a little while. I definitely don't feel as confident
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 13: this year as I did last year, But when I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 13: look at the matchups, I think they match up very
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: well with Georgia. That actually is that quarterfinal game between
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: the winner of A and M Miami and Ohio State
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 13: actually might be one of the games of the playoffs,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 13: but I think they matched well with Georgia. You head
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 13: into a national championship game, you imagine you get one
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  Speaker 13: of Oregon or Indiana or Texas Tech. I think that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 13: those are decent matches for them. I have Ohio State
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 13: winning it all, but again, there are potentially as many
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 13: a seventeen they could get there.
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to be the head coach of Michigan the
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  Speaker 13: I wish that I had a better idea had this point.
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  Speaker 13: Michigan would really enjoy. So I'm gonna say Jetfish, but
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  Speaker 13: I really don't feel good about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people here in Salt Lake City would
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely, absolutely Shahan, Thanks for your time.
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  Speaker 2: at his media availability yesterday that is so far as
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  Speaker 2: just Caleb Lomo, Spencer Fano and then Logan Fano who
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: have elected to opt out. Devin Dan Peart intends to play,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Barton Lander. Barton intends to play, and there's not really
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of other people that were also in
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: that conversation.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was a curious thing to oh
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: see that that Logan Fano is also opting out of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: playing in the Bowl game. And I maybe I'm maybe
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: I'm way too naive about what a performance, a really
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: good performance against Nebraska could be. Maybe a sack or two,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: you know that, that kind of thing, that kind of
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: performance from Logan Fano can do for his drafts, for
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: his draft stock. Maybe it doesn't do very much, right,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: maybe he plays. Maybe if he played, he wouldn't do
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: anything spectacular too, and then it's like, well, that doesn't
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: help the draft stock. But I would still think a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: guy who wants to play in the NFL but is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: not an all but guaranteed first round pick like his brother,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: would want to be like, I just want to put
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: more tape out there for the scouts, right if there's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: an opportunity.
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  Speaker 12: To do so.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: And the injury, yes, he's had, He's had a lot
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: more injuries than Spencer, and that's certainly a reason why
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: you'd be like, hey, let me just stay healthy here
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: and not play. But like his risk of injury, yes,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: it might risk any kind of any opportunity for an
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: NFL career, and that would be devastating for him. But
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: also it's not quite as far as the fall as
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: it would be for Spencer, right, as you mentioned, So
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know I I'd like him to play too,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: and I think they'd probably be the best thing for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: his draft stock for him to play, even if it's not,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: even if it doesn't end up helping all that much, I.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Will say it does make sense that they chose to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: do this together. You can see, I mean, every bit
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: of media that we have seen from the Final Brothers
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: is the funal Brothers. They definitely the family's so cohesive
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: and they like to be doing things together. Logan is
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: the one who told Spencer that he had won the
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Outland Trophy. That was a great announcement video with the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: entire family gathered there in the in the Utah Auditorium
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: meeting room like that. There's just so I think it
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: has probably as much to do with that as anything
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: else that they don't want to you know, Logan doesn't
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: want to play without Spencer. Spencer doesn't want to play
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: without Logan, like they If his brother's out, then he's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: out too, which again I'm fine.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: With it because this is just that they're of modern football.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: I would like to see him play.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: It's a different conversation, in my opinion, than the one
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: that we have about Spencer.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: And you just pointed that out as well.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: ESPN ran ten thousand simulations for the remainder of the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: NFL season.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: Do you see this, James, I missed this, and they
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: the Colts winning the Super Bowl, Philip Rivers MVP.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Oddly enough, it's the forty nine ers winning the Super
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Bowl and George Kittle being no what they decided on
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: what the AI simulations decided on ten thousand iterations of
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the remaining schedule.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Patriots Rams in the Super Bowl? Patriots Rams. Okay, I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: mean Rams, I can see and Pats at the record
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: that would suggest they can get there.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: I just I don't know that that's interesting.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Three weeks left in the twenty twenty five regular season
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: and then we get to the stuff that actually matters.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the the projected matchup according to the ESPN simulation,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you could probably just pull out
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: your phone and do this yourself, but Rams Patriots are
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: is the current predicted Super Bowl matchup.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: That would that would be the third time those that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: matchup has happened. By the way, you had the the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: start of the Patriots dynasty in O one, the Super
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: Bowl thirty six or whatever, and then Kurt Warner Rams
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: and then the end of the Patriots dynasty. Oddly enough,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: twenty their championship part of it anyway. Twenty in the
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: twenty eighteen season, Jared goff led rams Sean mcvay's first
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl appearance with the team, So that would and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: then maybe this would be starting of a new era
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: with the Patriots. I mean, that's actually really interesting from
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: a Patriots perspective, if that's how it turns out, all.
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  Speaker 2: And then we welcome in our friendly sterling paramount sports
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  Speaker 3: Lee welcome, How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Can't complain, Just got my daughters flew in from New
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: York City, so she'll be home for a couple of weeks.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 12: During the holiday.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: And she knows the drill. Her boyfriend said, what are
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: we doing tonight? She said, Alabama and Oklahoma's on TV.
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  Speaker 6: I guess we'll order in.
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  Speaker 3: That's fantastic. You raised there rightly, That's what that I did.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to these picks here.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Utah State Bronco beed and Halls Aggi's two and a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: half point favorites against Wazoo. They will be conference mates
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: sooner than later.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: How does this look go?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah? So Wazoo, Poor Washington State.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: They have been into constant flux the last couple of
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: years conference with two of the coaches and the players
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: moving in and out, and I expect more of the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: same here as head coach Jimmy Rodgers left after just
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: one season to take over at Iowa State for Matt Campbell.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: These teams also played last year. Cougar's ran for three
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: hundred and three yards in that game.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 12: I just don't see it happening that game.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, this team has just coached so much better
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: this year by bronco Menden Hall, and last year Jake
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: Dickert left and Syracuse ran and threw for six hundred
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: and six yards against him in the Holiday Bowl. I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: like Utah State thirty five to twenty five.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Now, normally I would say BYU and Utah picks for last,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: but I mean the other games we're going to talk
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: about today are a college football playoff game, so I
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: think we could keep them in their proper place, which
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: brings us to BYU four and a half point favorites
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: against Georgia Tech in the Pop Tarts Bowl. Obviously, Notre
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Dame was offered that Georgia Tech spot first, they said no,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: the Ramblin Rex said yes.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: But BYU still favorites.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think for good reason.
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  Speaker 6: I think BYU is one of these teams they can
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: beat a certain level team, well everyone.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 12: Except for Texas Tech.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: So Texas Tech just a little bit bigger, faster, stronger
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: than the Cougars. But Georgia Tech usually plays better as
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: an underdog here. But problem here is they're just not
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: able to ramp up their running game this year. They
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: need that running game to set up their passing game
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: and just hasn't happened down the stretch here.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 12: So I like BYU.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: I think they pull away and win this game here.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: Thirty one to twenty three.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Utah has big time favorites for their Vegas Bowl against Nebraska. Obviously,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: you know the storyline locally is that this will be
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's last game on a Utah sideline. Morgan Scalley's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: been officially elevated, so they're kind of co head coaches
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: in this one in a manner of speaking, which is
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: how Kyle Whittingham's tenure at the university have started in
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: the Fiesta Bowls.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: So some poetry in that situation.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: But also Nebraska, as you well know, Lee, the Riola
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: divorce is complete, and it seems like there's a lot
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: of potential transfers headed out, opt outs and things like that.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: Utah big favorite sixteen and a half points.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Do they cover?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 12: I think there's a good chance that they do. Here.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: You know they're without the start running back he's going
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: he declared for the draft.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 12: I mean, you don't miss a guy like he does.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 12: I mean, he's a guy did everything.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: He was over a thousand yards with a couple of
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: games left in the season. Even their backup who's gonna
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: play TJ. Latife is not one hundred percent now got
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: to pay a couple extra points here. They're jacking up
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: the line because Kyle Whittingham is leaving. We've seen coaches
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: in their last games, usually the teams perform. I just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: think that Devin Dampier is gonna run wild here against
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: his defense, and a couple guys are also opting out
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: on their offensive and defensive line.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 12: That'll be the difference. I think. I think the youth
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 12: run and hide here forty four to twenty one.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna be unfair to you, and I'm
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: gonna throw an over under at you. Because Kyle Whittingham
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: has not said retire. He said I'm stepping down and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens next. So over under zero point
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: five games coached by Kyle Whittingham in twenty twenty six.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's gonna coach. I think he'll take
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: one year off and then possibly come back. So yes,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: you know, sometimes it's burnout. I think he wants to see,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: you know, what takes place as far as the landscape
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: in college football, that's fair.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: I could see that play now.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: All right, back to the games on your list here,
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  Speaker 2: Like your daughter said, it all starts tonight Alabama Oklahoma.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Bama a one point favorite, so Vegas expecting this to
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: be a tight one. How do you see it?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so in this game, you know, I know that
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: that we've seen Oklahoma win each of the last two
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: games last year and this year, and a lot of
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: people think it's Alabama's time. They're gonna a few starters,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: four or five starters coming back. But I told everyone
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 6: George is gonna lay the SmackDown on him in the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: NCC championship game and win by double digits, and that's.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 12: Exactly what happened. I think they've lost their mojo here.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Their offensive line has allowed ten sacks in the last
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: three games. And if it comes down to special teams, well,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: bam mkickers this year thirteen for twenty they do not
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: have a field goal of fifty yards or longer. And
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: how money is Tate Sandel number?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 12: Like I said number twenty eight that maybe.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: The best kicker in the country.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 12: Well, he's only get this he is so on the money.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: He is twenty four for twenty five on the year
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: and seven for seven from fifty plus yards here. Yeah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: I think the wrong team is favorite. I think Oklahoma
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: wins at home tonight twenty four to twenty.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yep, all right, an m Miami. Now Miami was
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: in that conversation. Is kind of a bubble team, and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: there was a continual debate about them or Notre Dame. Ultimately,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: the ACC does get representation in this expanded twelve team field,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: not with the conference champion duke, but with the at
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: large bid in the Miami Hurricanes. I don't think it's
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: all that controversial. They were playing really well and look
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: like they're a really good team, but it is what
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: it is. Do they have what it takes to beat
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: the favorites? A and M is a three and a
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: half point favorite, all right?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: So for record keeping purposes, and told everyone beforehand, I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: thought that the two teams are deserved in were Miami
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: Notre Dame.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 12: Thought that Alabama was gonna stubble.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: And I think you got to get punished a little
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: bit if you lose a game that bad that late.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: So I think Miami has a lot more things going
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: for him than the first time that they went into
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: college station in twenty twenty two. It's the second game,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: just the second game.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 12: Of the Mario Christobaul Miami era.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: And that game went into it with a starting quarterback
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: named Tyler Van Dyke if you remember that name. They
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: had numerous illegal procedures to lay a games they couldn't
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 6: get plays in, They lost a special teams battle, they
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: missed a field goal, dropped the punt, and they still
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: only lost by six points.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 12: And I think A and M's a quality team.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: But how about this except for Texas.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 12: Before that Texas.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: Game that they played and lost the combined opponents record
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: in the sec that they.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 12: Played was eleven and forty.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: I mean that's an od here on bottom feeders. So
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: Mimi gets that eleven AM start Central time. They're plus
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: nine in turnovers.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 12: I think they got the best.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: Player on the field in Malichi Tony. Here's a guy
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: called eighty four passes, doesn't.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 12: Have a drop. They put him in a wildcat.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: They run him on reverses, running and throwing the football.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: Here the game, you know the game plan a set.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: Just do exactly what Texas did. Keep more s read
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: in that pocket, make him throw the football.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 12: You can upset them or poom favorite. Miami upsets Texas.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: A and M.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: They move on to a rematch of the two thousand
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: and two National Championship game against the Ohio State Buckeys.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: All right, your game of the week is UNLV against Ohio.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: UNLV five point favorites Ohio dealing with a coaching situation.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: Now, yep, anyone wants to get that game for free,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Just called eight hundred four hundred nine to seven, four
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: to one. We'll get in the game for free. Eight
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: hundred four hundred nine to seven for one.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 12: The game's on me and like I said, you want
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 12: to hop on board.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: Now's the time we went twenty one to ten last
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: year in the bowls, and get every game from now
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: through December thirty. First two weeks of action. We've got,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: two weeks of the college bowl games. We got uh total,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: twenty seven bowl games. We've got, you know, all the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: college playoff games.
• 1:38:58
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• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Happy, healthy and a safe holiday before I let you go, Lee,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: and I echo that sentiment. Hope you with the family
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: enjoy one another's company and everyone travels safely and all
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Netflix has this spectacle going on tonight.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we should treat it like a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: regular boxing match, but Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua are
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: squaring off is originally scheduled opponent Germonte Davis is out
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: here stirring the pot, saying our bout was going to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: be scripted so this is one probably is too.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: How should betters handle something like this?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 12: So I can't play these these exhibition fights.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: Bottom line is, there's only way that Logan pulkm win
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: this fight here is if uh, if the fix is in.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: That's the way I see it. It's a it's a
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: different level. It's like me trying to take you on
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: in the octagon. If I last more than twenty thirty seconds,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: I'd be lucky.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, That's how I felt about it too, And I
• 1:40:13
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  Speaker 6: Hey, thank you good.
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  Speaker 15: We're right in the middle of December football, so it's
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  Speaker 15: a good time. A year in the NFL playoff race
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 15: is kind of crystallizing and and everybody go gearing up
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 15: for what should be a wide open playoff race this season.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it felt like we had playoff football last night
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Thursday Night. Look, let's be honest, some of these Thursday
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: night games are not great. I felt like last night
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: made up for all of the sins of Thursday night
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: football we've seen in the last couple of years. Wild
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: and crazy and what is ultimately a Seahawks win in overtime.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: And I love this tweet that you sent out because
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: what a wild stat the Seattle Seahawks have won all
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: four games in their team history when they've allowed a
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: two hundred yard receiver, which of course they did last
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: night when Pukakua had two hundred and twenty five, and
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: somehow the Seahawks still win that game. Unpack this one
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: for me, not just that fun fact stat, but this
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: crazy game and the matchup and what it means for
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: both La and for Seattle.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 15: Well, it was a legendary game, let's just say, first
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 15: of all, going in regardless of how it played out,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 15: the fact that, as you mentioned thurs in that football
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 15: it's not always the greatest show, but last night the
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 15: matchup in and of itself was historic and that was
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 15: the first time to eleven win teams we're facing off
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 15: against one another, The fact that it's a showdown for
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 15: the NFC West race and potentially number one seed, all
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 15: the stakes of the game, and then for it to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 15: more than live up to the hype in both its
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 15: competitiveness in the drama, and it really had everything. It
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 15: had big plays, they had singular performances like Kuka Nakua,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 15: It had special teams heroics with the Rashid Shaheed punt return.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 15: You know, big time flutch plays in the fourth quarter
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 15: for the comeback, continuing that into overtime, then to go
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 15: for two, you have the bizarre with a two point conversion.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 15: And I think for me, the big big takeaway from
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 15: the Seahawks perspective is that I remember in Week eleven
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 15: when Sam Darnold threw four interceptions and the Seahawks lost
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 15: in La to the Rams, and that was another huge opportunity.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 15: I think they both came into the game eight and two.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 15: It was, you know, kind of first place on the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 15: line again in the NFC West, and he didn't show up.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 15: And that goes back to last year when in the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 15: Week eighteen game when he was with the Vikings going
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 15: against the Lions, the winners the number one seed, the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 15: loser is a five seed and goes on the road
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 15: in the playoffs. He doesn't show up. They go to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 15: Arizona and play the Rams in the first round in
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 15: that wild card game and he gets sacked nine times.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 15: And so you have all these questions about Sam Donald
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 15: and is he capable of winning a big game? Can
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 15: he do it in the biggest moment. So for him
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 15: to throw two early interceptions and to rebound the way
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 15: he did ultimately have the game winning drive, throwing a
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 15: touchdown pass and the two point conversion to win it.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 15: And this remember Seawn's is on the heels of Sunday
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 15: when they played against the Colts and all.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 13: The heroics that Philip Rivers led and they.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 15: Didn't score a touchdown all game. The Seahawks did, but
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 15: they get the ball back with forty seconds to play
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 15: and Donald marches them downfield to put them in possession
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 15: position to win a game on a field goals. He's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 15: done it in back to back week and I think
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 15: that goes a long way with this Seahawks team, who's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 15: as talented as anybody out there. To have a quarterback
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 15: who could win in clutch performance when he's not having
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 15: his best game, I think goes a long way for
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 15: their psyche heading into the postseason.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the two point conversion that
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: looked like it was an incomplete pass and then oh no,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: wait to pun review is actually a backward pass that
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: was deflected and so that's you know, it's a fumble
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: recovery for Zach Charbonay and a good two point conversion.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: And if you're a Rams fan, you're saying, well, the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: play is blown dead. You can't award them the two
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: points when everyone stops because they think that was done.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: And look, I think ultimately the letter in spirited the law,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: they get the review right.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: They're trying to do this to an exact science.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: And I can understand why if you're on the losing
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: end of that game you take some umbrage with that result.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: But in that moment, all that drama and to go
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: back to the video and review it and have that
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: be the outcome. Is it being adjudicated in a way
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: that makes sense for the average NFL fan where you
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: look at that and you say, yeah, that's the right outcome.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: When there's players out there who are gonna tell you
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: postgame and they did well. I stopped even caring about
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: where the ball was because I heard the whistle.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a tricky question and maybe even a slippery
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 15: slope when you kind of acknowledge that you know you
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 15: want to play to play out, and because we've seen
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 15: in years past where the referees don't let the play
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 15: play out and then you know a team gets burned
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 15: because that happened, and we see it on both sides
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 15: all the time, but in such a huge moment in
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 15: the game, and like you said, you know, players thought
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 15: the play was dead and they stopped playing. It's it's
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 15: one way or the other. It was going to be
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 15: controversial because you know, if let's say they they would
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 15: have let it stand as is, then they would have
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 15: the rest would have blown the call that they didn't
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 15: see it was backwards. It should have been a fumble
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 15: into the end zone. So yeah, it's tricky, certainly unheard of.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 15: But the way that the officials, I think the rule
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 15: had changed on that that they could kind of go
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 15: back and change it after the whistle because there had
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 15: been too many plays the other way that the play
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 15: had been stopped short and it had been erroneously ruled
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 15: that they changed the rule to allow that to happen.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 15: And the Rams certainly got burned in that case.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: All right, getting to some of the well, it's an
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: on field story, but it's also an off field story
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: because on field, Pooka Nakua had that monster game last night,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns, two hundred and twenty five receiving yards,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: and then you know there's the live stream that he
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: did had to initi an apology because of a misunderstanding
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: generated from that and then the tweet that he immediately deleted.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: But you're a week's live forever, whether you want up
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: to or not.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: Now, when you're a high profile player like Puka Nakua, Uh,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: what are the Rams need to do with this young
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: player right now on the field?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: He is a force.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Off the field, he's not trending in the right direction.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: What does Sean McVay and the Rams need to do
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: with him right now?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 15: Well, they need to rain him in, you know that
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 15: that's first and foremost. And I think you know, if
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 15: you're his agent, you probably have to, you know, maybe
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 15: try to go through the pocket book and say, hey,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 15: you know, you're up for a big contract this offseason,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 15: you're eligible for the for the huge extension at least
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 15: for that, you know, kind of get these things under wraps.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 15: But you know, Pukah's you know, a strong willed guy.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 15: Obviously we see that on game days and just in
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 15: his performance. You know, you don't kind of get that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 15: way without you know, having the sort of you know,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 15: mental toughness and and the physical ability that he has.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 15: But I think I think the concerning point was all
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 15: the attention that was thrown his way with that, you know,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 15: the stream, mean thing, the podcast, the controversial you know
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 15: video that was out there on him, and then to
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 15: then further poke the Bears. You would think you would
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 15: want to keep a low profile and then to further
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 15: poke the Bear and like you mentioned, put that tweet
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 15: out there that that then was deleted, that that was
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 15: a little bit concerning, like how could you not learn
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 15: during the week by issuing the pregame apology that hey,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 15: maybe I should be flying under the radar here and
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 15: still put that out there. So I think they will
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 15: rain that in. I think from an organizational standpoint, you know,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 15: they'll try to make that a point to him. And
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 15: and like McVeigh said in his comments last night, he's
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 15: a great He's a great guy with a big heart,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 15: you know, probably have some maturity to experience, and and
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 15: they think they'll learn from that and grow from that.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Zooming out from Justice Thursday football game and just the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: rams at the Seahawks. The Niners also a factor in
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: that same division. Is is the NFC West definitively in
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: your mind, the best division in football this year?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 13: I think so.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 15: I think it's certainly top heavy, as good as we've
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 15: seen it, and I think with the forty nine ers
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 15: going to Indy, if they win and get to eleven
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 15: wins themselves, and to have you know, three teams in
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 15: the division that are eleven you know plus wins, you know,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 15: through sixteen weeks, is pretty remarkable. And with the Seahawks
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 15: Rams game playing out how it did last night, the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 15: forty nine ers now control their destiny to be the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 15: one seed in the NFC playoff race, which which is
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 15: remarkable considering how down in the dumbs.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 13: They seem to be.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 15: When Nick Bosa got hurt and Fred Warner got hurt,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 15: and Rock Purdy was hurt for half the season and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 15: George Kittle missed a bunch of time early, it just
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 15: seemed improbable that they would even have a winning season,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 15: let alone a season that not only are they getting
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 15: to the playoffs with one more win, but chance to
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 15: control their destiny to get to buy It's certainly remarkable.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 15: So yeah, when you throw the forty nine ers into
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 15: the mix of what we saw last night with the
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 15: forty nine ers, I mean, with the Seahawks and the Rams,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 15: it's certainly NFC West, you know, has staked this case
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 15: as the best in division in football.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: When you further zoom out and we're looking at the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: entire NFC. Who else in the NFC is going to
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: challenge whoever comes out of the West.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 15: Well, I think Philly for all the problems that they've
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 15: had offensively, trying to find consistency, I still they're going
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 15: to be a tough out obviously to have, you know,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 15: the heart of a champion and and you know know
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 15: what it takes to get to the mountain top, you know,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 15: having gone to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 15: having won it last year in such dominant passion, and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 15: the way that you know, it's it's still most of
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 15: the same players on the team. So I think if
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 15: they can just sort of get I think they have
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 15: to get to what the Chiefs did in twenty twenty three,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 15: where you know, you're you're coming off the heels of
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 15: you know, a Super Bowl win. They're trying to find consistency,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 15: They're trying to become this juggernaut. They lose to the
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 15: Raiders on Christmas where the Raiders scored twice defensively and
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 15: all hope was lost in Kansas City, and they said,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 15: you know what, we don't really care about if we
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 15: have offensive consistency, We don't really care if it looks pretty,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 15: how do we win this Sunday? And I think if
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 15: the end they went on to win the Super Bowl,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 15: if the Eagles can kind of just forget that mentality. Hey,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 15: yes we have Sakwon Barsley, Yes we have these all
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 15: everything receivers, Yes we have that offensive line, Yes we
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 15: have a dominant defense. If we don't care about style points,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 15: and we just figure out how to win on Sunday,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 15: and it doesn't matter what the score is, it doesn't
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 15: matter what you know, how pretty it looks. If they
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 15: can figure that out and get to that place and
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 15: forget what the media saying in Philadelphia, I think they'll
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 15: be just as tough as anybody in the NFC and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 15: give those NFC West teams all they can handle.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: Are you a believer in the Bears?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 15: I am, But I think I think we'll find out
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 15: a lot about them Tomorrow night against the Packers, and
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 15: then they go to San Francisco next Sunday night. So
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 15: I think I am a believer right now that they
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 15: are good. They are very good. Are they a true
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 15: Super Bowl contender? I think we'll find out in the next.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Two weeks in your mind talking on December nineteenth, how
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: many true Super Bowl contenders are there as we get
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: down to these final few weeks of the regular seasons?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 15: Man for me as at this point I would say,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 15: I would say for me, I would say five. I
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 15: would say the three NFC West teams that we talked about,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 15: the Eagles and then the Bills because of Josh Allen.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 15: I love Denver, I really like Chicago, but until kind
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 15: of I see it, you know, in big time playoff moments,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 15: big time playoff games, It'll be hard for me to
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 15: throw in those two teams in that category. But I
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 15: think they can play their way into that Super Bowl
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 15: contender the last couple of weeks of the season. But
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 15: I think right now looking at about five teams, and
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 15: that might expand to seven here as the season plays out.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: For obvious reasons, the Kansas City Chiefs are conspicuously absent
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: from the conversation that they've been in for years. When
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: we get to this point in the season, they're eliminated
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: from playoff contention.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: Have we reached the end of that road?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: Are the Chiefs going to find a way to pull
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: it out next year the year after or is this
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: iteration of a Chiefs semi dynasty done.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 15: I don't think it's done necessarily. I think it'll just
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 15: be they'll have to retool, and I just you know,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 15: you've got to compare it to the Patriots dynasty that
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 15: we saw when they won those three super Bowls early
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 15: in Tom Brady's career, and then even when they didn't
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 15: win a super Bowl for what was it, ten seasons,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 15: they still got there twice. They were in the playoffs
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 15: every year seemingly, and we're still always a factor. So
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 15: I think I think we've seen over the years it's
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 15: just so hard to get to the mountaintop, to win,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 15: to stay there. I think that the Chiefs will retool.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 15: They'll still be a player. When you got Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 15: they'll still be a force. They'll be in the playoffs
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 15: every year, and then they'll have to, you know, get
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 15: lucky every now and again. They'll have to have good
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 15: fortune with health, which they haven't had in the offensive
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 15: line the last couple of years, a big reason why
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 15: they can't have that offensive consistency. But I think, yeah,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 15: I don't think the dynasty is over necessarily, but it
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 15: will be retooled.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Omar Rowi's NFL Network is our guest here on the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, Talk and all things in America's real pastime.
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  Speaker 3: Professional football.
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  Speaker 2: The college football coaching carousel has been on the spin
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: since like late September, and we're getting to the time
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: of year in the NFL where the writing is on
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: the wall for some guys who are currently holding jobs.
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  Speaker 3: They're probably going to be some more openings.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: Which is going to be the best one when we
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: get to an offseason where the firings actually happen.
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  Speaker 15: That's a good question, you know. I think if the Browns,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 15: if the Browns can figure out their quarterback situation, you
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 15: have to love a team that has a defense as
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 15: good as it does, should they decide to move on
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 15: from Kevin Stefanski, if it goes down that road, I think,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 15: you know, for similar reasons. You know, a team like
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 15: the Raiders, as bad as they've been, you know, having
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  Speaker 15: a keystone piece on the defensive side of the ball,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 15: you know, can can be a building block for a team.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 15: Or if you can get a you know, if if
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 15: Atlanta you know, parts ways with Raheem Morris, if they
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 15: can guess somehow to unlock Michael Pennis Junior. You know
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 15: you might be able to see, uh the way you know,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 15: New England has kind of surged with you know, Drake
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 15: May being unlocked as a as a force at quarterback.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 15: So I think, you know, kind of those three come
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 15: to mind. You know, the Jets team like that, you
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 15: know they've kind of you know, still searching for answers.
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  Speaker 12: Eric Aaron Glenn.
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  Speaker 15: Seems safe, but but it will it will be interesting.
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  Speaker 15: Was not only the openings that are already out there,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 15: but but which you know, because we see every year
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 15: Sean that you know, I just talked about the teams
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 15: where it seems like there's some hot seats there. Jonathan
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 15: Gannon's another one in Arizona that comes to mind. It
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 15: has a potential, you know, uh need for replacement. But
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 15: then there's always a surprise out there. And and for me, uh,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 15: you know the fact that that Matt Lafleur, you know,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 15: seems to be on a warm seat at this point
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 15: and people talking about if he doesn't get past the
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 15: divisional round, he could be very well in the hot
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 15: seat seems crazy to me. But we always get that
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 15: that hiring or you know, firing where it comes as
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 15: a shocker and kind of throws the coaching carousel into
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 15: a top seat turvy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Mar, what was your best sport? What what sport
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: were you best at playing growing up?
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  Speaker 13: Oh? Baseball, No question.
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  Speaker 15: I was a pretty good decent baseball player.
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  Speaker 3: When I was younger.
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  Speaker 2: If you got a phone call today, like hey, Omar,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: we need you for nine innings at least, can you
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: come out?
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: How would you perform?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 15: Are we talking about my throwing too high school? Guesser
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 15: is at the major League?
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, whatever, whatever league is the height for that,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: Omar Ruiz, I guess is the right answer to that.
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  Speaker 15: But I well, you know, like I'm very confident with
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  Speaker 15: my athletic ability.
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  Speaker 13: Like I still play beach volleyball. That's a big hobby.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 15: I try to compete against twenty year olds and keep
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  Speaker 15: myself in good shape. So I think that, you know,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 15: from an athletic standpoint, I can get out there and
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 15: do stuff until I stand on an NFL sideline and
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 15: I see just how otherworldly professional athletes are, and and
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 15: I like, as confidently as I am, I like to
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 15: think that I am closer to somebody who's never played
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 15: a sport in their life. The difference between me and
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 15: then is closer than me, someone who played sports his
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 15: whole life is a big, strong athletic person still in
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 15: shape to a professional athlete. That is just how far
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 15: out there these professional athletes are in terms of talent, strength,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 15: side athleticism.
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  Speaker 3: It is just a whole other world.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 15: So I'm sure you're asking because of the Philip Rivers situation.
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  Speaker 3: So what he's doing after.
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  Speaker 15: Five years of not being in that environment is just
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 15: truly remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: That is why I was going down that road. And look,
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  Speaker 2: it's great to see. It's inspiring. It's cool, you know,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: watching how he answers the questions and the thought process
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: that goes into it because he is such an example
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: for his high school team and he's got ten kids of.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: His own and all that great stuff. Is he going
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: to get a win in this return?
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  Speaker 15: That's a good question I had that game. I'll be
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 15: in Indianapolis on Monday and talking to you know, some
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  Speaker 15: Colts players this morning and even forty nine Ers players.
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  Speaker 13: That's the question.
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  Speaker 15: It's like, it's a great story. The close players are inspired,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 15: they are proud of how he came out on Sunday,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 15: but they want to win. That's the whole point of
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 15: all this of bringing in somebody who they felt could
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 15: give them the best app opportunity to reclaim their stake
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 15: in the playoff, because remember, just four weeks ago they
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 15: are the number one seed in the AF seed and
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 15: since they've lost four straight and you know, not that
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  Speaker 15: they've been blown out or anything. Obviously we saw what
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  Speaker 15: they did in Seattle on Sunday. I think they do
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  Speaker 15: win one of these games here at the end. I
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 15: just don't think it'll be enough. The way Houston's playing
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 15: and the fact that they have you know, I believe
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 15: the Jaguars, the Texans and the forty nine ers down
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  Speaker 15: the stretch and all three of those teams are just
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  Speaker 15: playing excellent football right now.
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  Speaker 3: Omar, appreciate you giving us some time today. Have a
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  Speaker 3: great call. On Monday. I gotta say, go Niners because
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  Speaker 3: that's my team, and enjoy the holiday.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, you too, man, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 15: We'll thank you.
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  Speaker 11: Letter.
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  Speaker 2: That is Omar Ruiz from the NFL Network. You will
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: see and hear him on that Colts Niners game, which
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: of course is on Monday night after what will be
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the third to last regular season
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: weekend for the NFL slate, everything kind of shaping up,
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  Speaker 2: and Philip rivers, I do hope he gets a win
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  Speaker 2: as he's.
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  Speaker 3: Made his return at forty four years old.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see that win come against the
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers for obvious reasons. All Right,
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  Speaker 2: is where we are broadcasting from today, kind of enough
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Tessa, Hi, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: the shelter, and then you get to that number with children,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's kind of jarring when you know you
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  Speaker 2: haven't experienced homelessness yourself, and you don't have that maybe
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  Speaker 2: as a challenge in your own life, and you look
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  Speaker 2: time in the shelter last night, and it really I
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, thank you, And I mean you're most likely to
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  Speaker 11: is the with the children in shelter. Majority of them
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  Speaker 11: up in their own home just like any other kid.
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  Speaker 2: We see, we have the list of the top ten needs,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously these things are fluid and they change. You
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  Speaker 2: get donations that come in and then maybe you see,
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  Speaker 2: oh the shelves, like maybe formula.
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  Speaker 3: Is low or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So the people that are out there, especially that you know,
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  Speaker 2: are focused on helping out the families that the Road
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  Speaker 2: Home serves. Aside from the list that I've been giving
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  Speaker 2: people during you know, ins and outs of each break,
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  Speaker 2: what do you need? What can people with a pickup
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  Speaker 2: truck and a few couple free hours today that want
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  Speaker 2: to help out, what can they bring down?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean We're always looking for diapers, all different sizes.
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  Speaker 11: A lot of times we run low on like size
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  Speaker 11: five diapers some of the bigger sizes. Formula is always needed,
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  Speaker 11: different types like sensitive like kids that have different dietary
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  Speaker 11: needs for formula. That's really helpful. Brand new shoes are
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  Speaker 11: shoes in good condition for kids adults. And then recognizing
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  Speaker 11: And then really any other donation towels, vetting sheets, things
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  Speaker 2: What's the average amount of time that a family spends
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  Speaker 2: in the in the shelter.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately the number has increased just due
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  Speaker 11: it usually the average is under seventy days in shelter,
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  Speaker 11: which is still pretty pretty Quickly, these families are getting
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  Speaker 11: rehoused and a large majority actually are able to resolve
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  Speaker 11: their own homelessness with support from case management within that
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's good to.
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  Speaker 2: Hear that we're you know, the goal is being met,
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of problems with your people.
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  Speaker 2: Airing of Grievances text and Me at eight seven seventy
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  Speaker 2: had his first scrum post separation announcement.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: You can't call it a retirement announcement because that's not
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  Speaker 2: what it is. He said, he's stepping away as the
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  Speaker 2: head coach at the University of Utah. First time he
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  Speaker 2: was with the gathered the collected Utah media. He did
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  Speaker 2: come on the Down in Dirty with Scott Mitchell yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: that sound for you, and then I've got aggrievance associated
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  Speaker 2: so we'll get there, James.
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  Speaker 12: Oh uh, since you.
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  Speaker 16: Made your announcement for you, Oh, business as usual. And
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 16: then we're just going through the paces and getting ready
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 16: for the ball game. And players are got a great attitude.
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  Speaker 16: What if we had five practices now, every one of
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 16: them have been really good. So I just gotta keep
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 16: going to another one tomorrow, another one Monday, get Tim
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  Speaker 16: off for Christmas, flying one the bull site, and keep
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  Speaker 16: going again.
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  Speaker 3: How well for you?
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  Speaker 15: What was the reason to kind of ultimately do it
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  Speaker 15: at this point?
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  Speaker 16: Well, the program's in a good place right now. You know,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 16: as I've said many times, after last season just didn't
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 16: didn't sit right with anybody, particularly me, and so came
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 16: back and unfortunately we have to get the ship righted.
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  Speaker 3: And everything's you know, on track.
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  Speaker 16: Program, like I said, it was in a good spot.
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  Speaker 16: Got good coaches. Ron Scalluy will come in and do
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 16: a great job, got great players. So now it's that
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 16: is you got in your system. I don't know if
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 16: it's ever out of your system. I mean, it's in
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 16: your blood.
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 16: I'm I'm not that being said, I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 16: you go to do, but it's, uh, you know, when
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 16: you got the coaching in the world, it just doesn't matter, right.
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  Speaker 17: So the clarifies is not a retirement.
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  Speaker 16: Who knows, I'll see, it's stepping down and step away
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  Speaker 16: and and uh re evaluate things.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess, what does that process look like for
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: you if you wanted to find whether they have a
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  Speaker 3: few opportunities or move.
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  Speaker 16: Into the role at the what's the process look like?
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 16: If my phone rings, I answer it, I like, I like,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 16: and we'll say, yeah, that's pretty.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 15: Much the process.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 16: You've been under contract for a long time to adult
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 16: life and the first time you're kind of a free agent.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: I'm a free agent.
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  Speaker 16: I'm in the transfer for it. Yeah, it's a different field.
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  Speaker 16: But like I said, I'm I'm at peace and and
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  Speaker 16: I did not want to be that guy who ever
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 16: stayed is welcome and people just saying, hey, you know,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 16: when's this guy? Hey that that was not my pretention
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  Speaker 16: ever and I hope I didn't do it. For sure
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  Speaker 16: some people I didn't do that, but to me the
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  Speaker 16: time so you never felt that from well that's talk
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  Speaker 16: about those guys. Uh you know the time is.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 17: Just what does it mean for you to coach one
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 17: last year onstead of one? You have your co d coaches,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 17: but you wanted one last game with this team? Well,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 17: this team is You've been one of my favorite years.
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  Speaker 17: Some of the team attitude, that the leadership works at
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 17: it just a personality feel high that the team is
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 17: is outstanding, or you know, having the chance to be
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 17: around these guys.
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  Speaker 16: One more month and go to battle one more time.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 16: Anything you saw one?
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  Speaker 5: Do you have a number of guys?
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: Do you have a number on how many opt outs
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: you'll have at this ball game?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 16: Well, right now it's just three or two tackles and
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 16: you have a bun and so I would assume you
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 16: haven't that for sure, but I assume that we weren't
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 16: place now and going forward, Uh those are we We've
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 16: had some other a few walk home and stop two
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 16: players that have decided to uh god not what. You've
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 16: also got a handful of guys that are gonna go
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 16: on the portal. They're still practicing of us and as
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 16: far as not playing in the game, I think that, uh,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 16: you know what we have right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's what I'm going on.
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  Speaker 9: Helps looking at Nebraska, what stands out about.
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  Speaker 3: Them Big ten team?
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  Speaker 16: I mean they're typical Big ten team.
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  Speaker 13: You know.
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  Speaker 16: I've got some really good athletes and certain spots and uh,
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 16: just exactly what you expect from the Nebraska football team
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 16: and the physical traditional and great physical point and old
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 16: school and smash mouth, and that's, uh, that's what we expect.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 16: You're right here, Kyle. The party still wanted to coach
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 16: and would be kind of competitive in football.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: Why not do it?
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 15: Usually?
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 16: Well, like I said, I don't want to overstay my welcome.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 12: It.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 16: If somebody once told me that every day that goes
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 16: by you're a coach, ten percent of the family starts
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 16: to hate you. And so after twenty years, they'd all
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 16: just their kids and grandkids. Probably the thing that I
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 16: think it was a good run. It was a good run.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 16: And I'll say it one more time. I didn't want
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 16: to be that hanger on or that just kept you know,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 16: just people just got.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: Sick of it. Who who would have gotten sick of
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: you con you for what I mean, seriously, I.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 16: Don't know, but it's I just feel that, you know,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 16: I knew one didn't want to just be that guy.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 17: He said, do great hands. He said, the program is
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 17: going to be in great hands. What is it about
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 17: Morgan Scalley that's gonna make a great head?
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 16: Tis well, he's uh, he's organized, he's uh, really good
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 16: with that's his nose. He's really good at connecting with players.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 16: And you know, you know his culture ideas my culture
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 16: ideas onlie perfectly. You know, you both have a lot
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 16: of the same recruiting strategies and thoughts evaluation wise, how
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 16: you know, how you want to record on all that stuff.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 16: Very it's very consistent, I think, doing far more similarities
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 16: to Chase do. He put his own stamp on the program,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 16: made no mistake. But uh, you know, way back when
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 16: I took over for Herb hergram is not broke. Don't
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 16: fix it. I'm runner a lot of the stuff that
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 16: Herman dad here. But uh, you know, coach has been
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 16: here a lot of you. He's a Utah man through
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 16: and through, and I think it's gonna be in the situation.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 9: How much has the time off helped guys that have
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 9: nagging injuries and stuff as you guys entered this bull Dame.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 16: I'm big, that's been big. I'm sure it's been all
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 16: the same for Nebraska.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 13: I know.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: Think that's best yet me.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 16: So that is why got off them. The guy that
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 16: said on beat up there and just just went out
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 16: worn down physically A matter that's helped out your head.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: So it's been positive.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: That's the sound of Kyle Whittingham post practice. Uh my
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: grievance is this.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham does not say repeatedly, I didn't want to
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: be the guy that overstays my welcome unless he started
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: to feel like he was overstaying his welcome, and the
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: iteration I have the assertion I should say. Uh, that
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to make here is that you can't overstay
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: the welcome in your own house. Utah football is Kyle Whittingham.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham is Utah football. Now it's hard for me
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: because I'm eager to see what the Morgan Scaley era
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: looks like.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be incredible. I love Morgan. I
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a great coach.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be an excellent mentor I think
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: he's going to continue a lot of the stuff that
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: we've seen Kyle Whittingham do from a cultural and community
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: impact standpoint, I think that he'll even be an improvement
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: in some ways. But this is the winningest coach in
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: the history of the program we are talking about. And
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: if he has been given some reason to feel like, ah, yeah,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: people kind of want me out of here, that's wrong.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: If you're a fan who emotionally after a loss was
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: just like, oh man, he's losing it, you didn't really
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: mean it. Okay, When I came on air after the
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: BYU loss and I was talking about rating about I
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: don't want to hear about analytics.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: Anymore, I meant that, but I didn't mean I don't.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: Want to hear about analytics anymore. And if you're Kyle
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: Whittingham and you're gonna talk about analytics, I want.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: You to be gone. That's not what any of us
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: mean or should mean.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: I have an issue, a serious one, a grievance with
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: the idea that that living legend is being ushered semi
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: politely out the door just because people are like getting
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit tired of his communication style or they
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: getting a little bit tired of a whatever about him,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: And I think it was Gordon Monson shout out to Gordon.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: I think in the scrum that was just like, well, who, Kyle,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: who would be getting sick of you? And he went
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: with the levity, He went with the humorous answer. But
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: I really want to know who.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: If you're a booster who's like I don't want Kyle
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: Whittingham here anymore, you're wrong.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: If you're an athletic director, I don't want it to
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: be Kyle Whittingham moving forward, you're wrong. Now, he made
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: the decision, and we're gonna respect the fact that he's
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: the one who made the announcement and decided to step down.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: But if you are part of the system that has
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: influenced this departure, I got agrievance with you, James.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: Do you have a grievance?
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: I do have a grievance, and it's it's somewhat really
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 5: it's related to this story. So we if you scroll
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: through Twitter and yeah, I don't. I try not to
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 5: do a ton of that because sooner or later you're
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 5: gonna you're gonna find something you're just angry about and
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: that's not good for you. Right, But if you scroll
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 5: through Twitter, if you if you listen to what some
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 5: some fans and other and other media are saying about
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 5: this story, you you come across some people who seem
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 5: to be mad that that that a lot of the
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 5: coverage of wit stepping down, of you know, pseudo retirement,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: whatever you whatever you want to call it is instead
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: of just one, we're celebrating his twenty years, which people,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 5: that's been a lot of it. Let's let's let's let's real,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 5: let's have some perspective and realize we are doing a
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: lot of that. But they're mad that because it was
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 5: not a retirement announcement, and there's reports that and he
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 5: has confirmed it, his son has confirmed it, he still
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 5: has some desire to coach elsewhere. People are mad that
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 5: we're speculating that he could. People are mad that we're
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 5: asking the question why is he leaving Utah if he
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: still wants to coach, Right, it's part of the story.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: Well, it's it's kind of the story. Is it's the story?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 5: So, like, I don't I have a grievance with people
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 5: mad that we're covering the story and and like and
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 5: telling us, hey, oh what what happened is particularly people
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: pointing to us home of the youths, well happened to
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 5: the SBN seven hundred. They're no longer They're no longer
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 5: the ute station. We are still the home of the Utes.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: We still cover Utah better than anyone else. We will
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 5: continue to do that, will continue to be a place
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: that Utah fans and others want to listen for Utah
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 5: football coverage. But that doesn't mean we're just gonna be like,
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 5: you know what, this is a negative thing, so we
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 5: better not talk about it now. We're going to cover
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 5: the story, even the parts that you might not want
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: to hear. Sorry about that, I'll tell you the thing.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: One of the most aggravating things about this whole situation
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: for me is what it does to the beginning of
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: the Morgan Sclly era.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: Because it should all be celebratory, right, it should all.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: Be like what the ideal scenario is That we don't
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: live in an ideal world, so we shouldn't expect ideal outcomes.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: But in a perfect world, what happens is Kyle Whittingham
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: instead of saying I'm stepping away, now's the right time.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: The program's in a good place he says all those things,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: but he says, I'm done coaching, and I'm retiring, I'm
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: done coaching. I don't want to coach anymore. I think again,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: I think that that's where he was most of this season.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: That's mentally where it was most of the season, where
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: he's just like And so Kyle deserves some blame here
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: for not, you know, being able to be as decisive
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: or not having the same decisiveness that I guess we'd
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: probably expect from him on when the time is right
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: to like really call it a day. But the other
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: issue here is that it changes the optics and it
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: changes the conversation. Around the beginning of the Morgan Scalley era,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: the head coach in waiting has been waiting and probably
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: got less patient about how he was waiting and is
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: waiting and waiting, and oh, I don't want to have
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: to wait anymore. Okay, all right, fine, But you kind
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: of signed up for it because you could have taken
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: other opportunities. You could have been a UNLB head coach
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: or a New Mexico state head coach or something like that.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: You could have taken a more traditional path.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: So if you're gonna wait if you're gonna agree to wait,
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: you kind of have to wait, right and I think
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: Morgan would have. But what this does with the question
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: about is Kyle Whittingham really done or is he going
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: to coach again?
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Is it changes.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: The lens through which we look at Morgan Scalley's ten
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: years beginning. Because if there are struggles, and I hope
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: there's not, but let's be realistic, if there are, If
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: there is an adjustment period and there's like a three
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: game losing streak next year, or there's a you know,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: you lose two out of three that you thought you
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: should win, people are gonna be like, oh, well, why
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: do we force out coach wit?
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't know that we did.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: But I think my point is pretty easy to understand here.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: It starts to make people question whether or not now
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: was the right time if you're not convinced that it's
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham who decided it was the right time. And
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: the reason you're not convinced that it was Kyle Whittingham
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: who decided it was the right time is because Kyle
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Whittingham has said he's not sure if he's done, So
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: it just the whole thing is kind of a mess
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: that it didn't need to be in my opinion, And again,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: we don't live in a perfect world. I shouldn't expect
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: perfection from how these things are handled. And I believe
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: that Morgan is gonna do an absolutely killer job, but inevitably,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: because this is what fan bases do, people are gonna.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: Look at Morgan with a side eye, justifiably or not, like, oh.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you weren't ready and maybe you should have
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: been one more Kyle Whittingham or whatever, as soon as
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: something bad happens. And I hate that for Morgan because
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: the perfect world is Kyle Whittingham gets the parade, the flowers,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: the statue, the man thank you for everything you've done,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: and then we immediately shift our focus to wow, we
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: got Kyle Whittingham Junior taking over.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: It couldn't be better. This is a guy who is
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: red blooded through and through.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: This is a guy who played, was a captive, was
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: a defensive Player of the Year, was a GA, was
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: an assistant, was a coordinator, and now he's our head man.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: Perfect. I don't like. I don't like where it's going. Grievous.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, and I think to your poll question
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: about how do you think this ended. Was it with
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: completely wits choice? Now that we've had days enough days
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 5: past to to really digest some things, it's really his choice.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 3: Was he nudged? So that's pushed out.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 5: I think that So this is not the first time
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 5: this media availability was not the first time he suggested
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 5: and said, I just didn't want to be a guy
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 5: to overstays welcome. If you remember, oh see he when
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 5: he talked with Spence the week of the Holy War game.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 5: He mentioned it in that interview too in October. I
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 5: just don't want to overstay my welcome. So that just
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 5: tells me, now that we're hearing him say it again,
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 5: it tells me that they're there. There's a chance that
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 5: there were people internally giving him that impression, or or
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 5: maybe it's just paranoia because he is get because he
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 5: has been there for so long and he is getting
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 5: to the point where, like I am kind of at
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 5: that age where I need to be considering retiring.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's just paranoia.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 5: I I better get out ahead of it before people
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 5: really don't want me here.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: But maybe it is that someone that there were people.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 5: Kind of nudging him out, and that is that is
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 5: a shame and it is like you just articulated, it's
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 5: a shame because this is now the way that we
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 5: have to start the Morgan Scali era, which is not
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 5: It's not not the way that we should be starting
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 5: the more Morgan Scali era either.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: Sixty one percent of the people who responded to the
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: poll believe that.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Kyle was pushed or nudged out of his position as
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: head coach. Again, we don't know that that's the truth,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: but perception is reality, well from a sports fandom perspective, So,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: uh you know, take that as you will.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 5: I've got a I've got a lighter grievance to air
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 5: from my from my beautiful wife.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, love it.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 5: Uh So she is, she's got some proud Skulish heritage
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 5: throughout her family. I'll preface her a grievance with this.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 5: She with that, she said people, she she said this morning,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 5: and I said, I'm gonna heir, this is a grievance.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 5: She's like, go ahead, like people who call every black
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 5: and red plaid buffalo check.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, she is. She has a grievance with the plaid.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: Knowledge is what you're telling me?
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I listen, I can't, I could I couldn't
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 5: tell you what the difference between buffalo check and otherwise,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 5: so I can't. I can't really articulate what she means
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 5: by this, but she she's bothered by people who don't
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 5: know their plaid, and that's one of them. Another one
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 5: is people calling every seemingly every kind of plaid a
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 5: tartan when it's not. I love the remarkably specific, so
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 5: so shout out to my lovely wife and those that
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 5: are talking about plaid.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: Make sure you get it right.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, here's what we're gonna do for the rest
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: of the day. Anytime you see someone wearing plaid, I
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: want you to walk up to that person.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: And say, hey, what's that plaid? And they're gonna look
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: at you with a far away stare. What are you
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: talking about? Well? Is it tartan?
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: Is a buffalo check? Is it some other kind of plant?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: I want you to challenge people on their plaid knowledge
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: from now on.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: See I will I will say, how do you spell plaid?
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 12: I think p L A D.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: No, there's an eye in there. People get it right,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: all right, which is why it's I have no idea
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: that is actually pretty silly.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: I don't like it grievance with the spelling of the
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: word plaid. See what we've done, We've generated more a grievances.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 3: Are do you have the text line pulled up?
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 5: I do the road him wrote home, we did have
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 5: a been a festivus a festivus tongue in cheek related
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 5: or tongue in cheek Festivus related grievance. He wants, Uh,
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 5: there's not enough Festivus celebration going on for this, for
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 5: this texture.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: You want to see the feats of strength instead of
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: a Christmas tree an aluminum pull.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: You're right, We're down here at their own home. They
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: have all these beautiful Christmas trees. There's not one Festivus
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 3: poll what do you do?
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: Zero one ninety six says you will probably be able
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: to tell if Kyle Whittingham wasn't done coaching and then
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: feels like he had more left to the tank when
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: he goes to another team.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, that will answer the question on if
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: he was pushed out.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I will echo that sentiment, but I will also
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: qualify it with this, Kyle Whittingham might still want to coach,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: but also see jobs out there or be offered jobs
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: that he knows are not really what he's looking for, right.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like, hey, if you.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: If you offer me a radio position, Like let's say
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: James says we're done with you, I'm like, I don't
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: want to be done doing radio, but I'm out right.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: And then someone's like, hey, you can.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: Do one day a week at midnight to four am
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: on this random, like alternative rock station. I'm gonna be like, oh,
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not doing that. It doesn't mean
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: I'm done with radio. It just means that I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do that. So I think that's part of
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: the calculus here for Kyle Whittingham as well. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, I think the bar is remarkably high on
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  Speaker 2: any job that he would be willing to take. I like,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's Michigan or Bust NFL or Bust, which don't.
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  Speaker 3: Feel over like overly likely to me. So it is
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: what it is, all right.
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  Speaker 5: Oh see, since you brought it up, I was gonna
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  Speaker 5: wait till after the show, But since you brought it up,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. Your job's safe, thank goodness, all right,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 5: especially because you're the boss for another five and a
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  Speaker 5: half minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Well before we close it out here down at the
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  Speaker 2: road Home Media thought. We check in with Brad christ
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  Speaker 2: who's on the board here at the road Home. Brad,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, thank Sean great to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: How how's the drive going so far? I was just
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  Speaker 3: I just pulled up.
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  Speaker 2: I've made my own personal donation here on the roadhome
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  Speaker 2: dot org, which, by the way, very easy for user friendly,
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: very easy.
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  Speaker 3: Are we on pace where we need to be in
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  Speaker 3: order to meet the goals for this thing? Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 18: We're doing great. We've seen a lot of generosity. It's
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  Speaker 18: great to have your support, your listeners support. We have
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  Speaker 18: triple matching again and that's really helping. I think to
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  Speaker 18: bring in a lot of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: To let me appeal to the competitive nature of some
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  Speaker 2: of our listeners. We at ESPN seven hundred, we're not
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  Speaker 2: currently in the lead. Okay, X ninety six is smashing everybody,
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  Speaker 2: which we're proud of because they're one of our Broadway
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  Speaker 2: media stations. The people on ESPN nine sixty are our
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  Speaker 2: sister station. You're doing great, but we want to win
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  Speaker 2: this thing, ladies and gentlemen. So when you go to
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  Speaker 2: the road Home dot Org make your donation. You can
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  Speaker 2: scroll down they have the little drop down menu of
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  Speaker 2: which station you want to support. Do it under ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred so I can pound my chest for no reason.
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  Speaker 2: But back to the important thing here, Brad. We were
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: talking earlier with Michelle and she told us that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is like the primary drive to fund
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  Speaker 2: a lot of what the Road Home does all year long.
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  Speaker 12: That's right.
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  Speaker 18: The vast majority of the donations come in over the
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  Speaker 18: yesterday and today for the entire year. You know, my
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  Speaker 18: company is actually doing the match this next hour with
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  Speaker 18: the Huntsman Foundation, and we're excited about that. And we
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  Speaker 18: love the Road Home. My wife and I love the
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  Speaker 18: Road Home because we feel like they're so they really
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  Speaker 18: take every dollar, they take care of every dollar.
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  Speaker 3: And they have such an impact in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's one thing when people are trying to decide
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  Speaker 2: charitably how to deploy your funds, that's definitely one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that I think it's very natural to wonder,
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  Speaker 2: all right, if I'm given, you know, a hundred bucks,
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  Speaker 2: how many of those dollars are actually going to help
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  Speaker 2: the families at the Road Home, are going to help
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  Speaker 2: someone who's experiencing homelessness. And I promise you this, having
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  Speaker 2: worked with the Road Home and been part of this
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  Speaker 2: thing for years and years, it is the absolute maximum
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  Speaker 2: dollar amount.
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  Speaker 3: There might be an.
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  Speaker 2: Administrative cost here there they might have you got to
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: keep the lights in the building, et cetera. But most
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  Speaker 2: of the vast majority of these donations are being passed
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  Speaker 2: to the families.
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  Speaker 18: Absolutely, And that's what's so great about a lot of
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  Speaker 18: our corporate sponsors is our corporate sponsors help cover the
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  Speaker 18: overhead of the Road Home so that every dollar that
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  Speaker 18: your listeners are donating is going to help the families.
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  Speaker 18: And you know, one of the reasons, like my wife
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  Speaker 18: and I feel so strongly about the Road Home is
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  Speaker 18: a lot of times we think of it as a
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  Speaker 18: homeless shelter.
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  Speaker 3: It's really so much more than that.
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  Speaker 18: It really is, as the name implies, a road home
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  Speaker 18: for people where they get on that road to self
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  Speaker 18: reliance and independence. And I'm sure you've covered it already today,
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  Speaker 18: but over eighty percent of those that go through the
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  Speaker 18: Road Home within six months or out on their own
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  Speaker 18: and never experience homelessness again.
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  Speaker 2: Which is again it's so encouraging to know that if
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  Speaker 2: you are donating, that it's being put to a good
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: use and being used efficiently, but also that there's you know,
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: a light at the end of the tunnel, because you
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: don't just want to be throwing money at a problem
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  Speaker 2: that persists. The Road Home gets people, families, individuals back
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  Speaker 2: on their feet, and Brad, you're you're a big part
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  Speaker 2: of it as a board member. And like he said,
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  Speaker 2: his company, tech Tech is going to be doing a
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  Speaker 2: dollar for dollar match along with the Huntsman Family Foundation.
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  Speaker 2: So your your one dollar donation becomes three, your fifty
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  Speaker 2: dollars donation becomes one hundred and fifty. Your donation gets
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  Speaker 2: tripled because of the generosity of these corporate partners. So
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  Speaker 2: donate now, and if you feel like it, roadhome dot org,
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  Speaker 2: drop down on the menu and check ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: as the reason you donated. Venmon't PayPal at.
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  Speaker 3: The Road Home or eight on one eight one, nine
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  Speaker 3: seventy three hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for sitting down with you, Brad, Thank you, Thanks
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  Speaker 2: to all of you who listened to the show today.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to turn it over to the Drive with
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  Speaker 2: Spence check its after a quick double break. That's it
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  Speaker 2: for the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred ninety
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  Speaker 2: two one FM,