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You ARE Nature [RHR S7, EP12] feat. Patrick Walsh · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  What's up everybody? And welcome back to the show
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  Patrick Co host and with me this week.
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  Good to have you back here brother.
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  How are you? I'm doing all right, you know,
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  Pretty good for the most part. Thank you for asking.
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  How about you? Yeah, I hear you.
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  That's a loaded question these days.
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  It's like, well, how much time you got, you know?
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm doing OK too, man.
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  I'm, I'm happy for our winter to be kind of in the rearview
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  Mirror Now. And we've got, you know, we just
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  celebrated or observed the vernal equinox and warmer and
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  brighter days ahead and planting new things and that that shift,
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  you know, that shift in energy, things are coming back alive
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  again and all of that being dormant for the longest time.
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  So it's been good. It's been slow.
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  It's been like a like, I don't know, like I feel like I'm kind
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  of still groggy a bit from the winter hibernation, you know
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  what I mean? Like kind of sleepy kind of
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  grogginess, you know what I mean?
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  It's that transition period, you know, it's very tumultuous and
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  that alone. You know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It does it make sure, you know, some days you just like man.
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  I don't. I don't want to adult today.
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  Exactly right, yeah. But there's so much to do, man.
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  There's so much work to be done and things that need to be taken
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  care of. So yeah, glad to have you back
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  on the show this week. Glad to get into the topic that
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  you want to talk about. You know, before we do.
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  For the folks that catch this show, this is your first time.
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  Patrick is kind of like my Co host here recently.
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  He's been a guest more times than I can count on the show and
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  he's made himself quite available with offering some
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  great topics for shows that he wants to to kind of Co host with
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  me. So if you go back to listen or
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  watch any of the other shows, you know you're going to find
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  episodes without him, with him, with other guests, just myself.
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  There's a variety of things. And if you're new to the show,
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  and if you're new to, to what I do, I hope you enjoy it and I
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  hope you enjoy what Patrick has to offer.
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  And as well, when he's here, anything that is worth checking
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  out to show support of either you know what I do with the
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  podcast or with where Patrick is over on Facebook in his
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  spiritual mental health support group, the high lung one.
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  His, his group will be LinkedIn, the show notes and all that
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  stuff too. But definitely show your support
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  if you want to head over there and see what he's doing in that
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  space. And then everything else that
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  I've got going on. So the book, you know, the Heron
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  that flies to Hell, that saga is, is out.
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  You can purchase it. Got an album coming up here soon
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  in the next couple of months. So all that stuff's down there.
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  Check it all out. But yeah, Patrick, you're you
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  were wanting to get into talking about nature and the nature of
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  nature being that it we are nature, I think is a good way to
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  put it. Exactly right.
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  It's a mouthful obviously, but the topic is not talk but enough
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  in my opinion very overlooked. That being that we that we are
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  not just a part of the landscape or part of nature, but that we
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  are it itself we are. Nature.
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  We are nature, without a doubt. Yeah.
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  What do you think that that is that or what makes you feel
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  because you spend a lot of time out in nature, you know, a lot
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  of your, I think all of your spare time when you're not at
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  work or at, at that some other obligation is, is spent on the
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  trail or in some form or fashion you're camping outside or or
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  whatever. So what?
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  What has kind of brought you to this feeling like it's not
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  talked about enough that we are nature?
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  And what does that mean to you? It's a great question and thank
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  you for asking. So to begin, we live and go
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  through the daily grind, going to work, showing up for our
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  loved ones, our friends, and our people.
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  We get so wrapped up with that grind, we often overlook what's
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  sustaining us, what's helping us, what provides us.
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  Again, sadly enough, this this day and age, a lot of our food,
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  medicine and what have you is altered by big farm, by society.
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  It's so much more. We lost touch with that.
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  And before I continue, anyone listening, you know, it's just
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  it's OK to feel that way, to have that disconnection.
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  So here we are to find ourselves in a position to really come
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  back again to love and appreciate nature and what has
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  to offer. Challenge and so much more.
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  Yeah, it feels almost like there's especially in our in our
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  modern day living. I mean, sure, there's people who
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  have the, their lifestyle affords them the chance to be
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  immersed in nature more than others, You know, like people
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  that maybe work outdoors or that have a, a, a, a lifestyle or a
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  job or, or business that they run from their home.
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  And, and that gives them the chance to, you know, be immersed
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  in nature. But like, one of the things that
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  I think of is, is all of us really, it's, you know, when we
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  talk about nature, there's this like linguistic part of anytime
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  we refer to doing anything, anything to do with nature, is
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  it it's always outside of us. I'm going out to the trail, I'm
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  going out into the woods. I'm going down to the river,
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  right. I'm going to a place that is
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  away from me. And yeah, well, that's
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  physically true. Like geographically speaking,
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  it's separate from us. But I think that's another like
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  linguistically, it's like we're, we're, we're talking about it
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  before we even get to these places to be immersed in it in
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  the in like in the sense of it being outside of us and away
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  from us. So we already have this
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  separation in our linguistics that kind of like sets that
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  tone, if you will. Exactly right.
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  No, Yeah. And what's, what's wild to me is
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  like, you know, we are as humans.
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  I mean, we're obviously humans, but we are mammals.
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  We are part of the animal Kingdom.
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  It's, you know, we have our animal relatives that we share
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  space with that are when we think of them being in nature,
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  it it it we we kind of associate that with that's where they're
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  supposed to be like that's their place.
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  And, and we think of ourselves as being, that's not our place
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  because what happens to most of the human species that gets up,
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  you know, out in the middle of nowhere kind of lost.
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  It's like, you know, the wild isn't kind.
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  And, and we by and large, you know, learning those survival
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  skills or having those survival skills, I think there's parts of
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  it that is inherently like kind of ingrained in our DNA, you
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  know, that survival instinct. But so many people have become
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  so modernized that they don't last long 'cause they're so far
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  removed from it. It's like it's, it's so far
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  outside of them, you know, instead of understanding like as
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  much as the animal Kingdom that we see without of ourselves as a
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  part of nature and is nature and they they coexist.
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  There's the symbiotic relationship as we are as much
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  of that, you know, we make up a lot of the same biological and
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  ecological substances that 'cause those, those those
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  animals and what not to have those relationships with, with,
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  with each other and with with their landscape around them.
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  You know, so it's like it's being reminded of it.
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  I feel, you know, like the difference between being, being,
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  being in a space and being the space is us or we are the space
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  we we share that we, we coexist in that way.
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  Being part of it and observing it are two different things.
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  Absolutely, yeah. What has helped you, first of
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  all, what has helped you become more present with it?
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  Be become more aware of an understanding that, you know,
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  I'm not just watching all this. I'm part of all of this.
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  It's it's living part of me and I am of it like what was what
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  was, what has been some of the things that have kind of woke
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  you up to that truth? Taking time to observe, see,
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  listen and hear. And really, again, taking time
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  to really appreciate that though humankind is so advanced with
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  technology and our accomplishments, again, it's no
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  surprise we lose touch with that connection.
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  So taking the time to observe, love and appreciate these
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  things, that is nature. What has to offer truly is where
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  I come to start my journey with loving nature and realizing
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  we're never separate from it unless we choose to.
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  Willingly or unwillingly, nature will always be there because
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  that's where we live. That's where we live, thrive,
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  die, and so much more. Oh yeah, man, I'm sure it hasn't
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  been, you know, like where you are now and, or where anybody
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  might be is not where they started off as you know, you,
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  you didn't at least I don't think you know, you, you didn't
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  first of all get, you know, you didn't get out on the trail and
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  then, you know, knockout 15 miles that first time, you know
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  what I mean? And it's been a gradual, you
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  know, growth in that way. But I think every step, would
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  you say that like every step has been a step closer to
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  rediscovering who you are and and where your role is in in
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  nature? Absolutely, without a doubt.
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  Without a doubt, again, I'm gonna make my progress with
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  myself being hiking, camping out or just being out of nature.
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  Sometimes I make so much progress.
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  But there are times like many of us, we get humbled by life, the
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  daily grind. We come back to bed, we lose
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  touch of reality and what surrounds us.
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  Again. I'd like that you mentioned that
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  though. My first hike, was it 18 miles?
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  No. It was.
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  Probably like, I don't know, like 3 miles, say that out loud.
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  Because like originally I started being on nature and
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  hiking 3 miles is like a big deal, you know?
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  But then I came to my last achievement of 17.8 miles.
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  I'm like, all right, that's something to really boast about,
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  within reason of course, and not be like, you know, and I'll be
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  like, oh, I did this, I did that, you know, no, no, no
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  hogwash. Everybody's special and
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  different with their progress. Yeah, but still, I mean, that's
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  a, that's a hell of a, that's a hell of a trek no matter what.
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  I mean 1718 miles, That's no small drop in the bucket.
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  No, not at all. It takes time to get.
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  There exactly right. It's a divestment.
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  It takes time, it does. And also with such an
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  undertaking, it stops becoming a hike, it becomes a journey and
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  experience because you know, doing 5 miles, 8 miles, right
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  on. Further from that, it takes most
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  needed preparation and having the mindset to approach it is
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  fundamental. We have to be prepared for
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  whatever comes. Again.
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  Like I mentioned in another podcast and my post in general
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  on Facebook, when my all trolls have failed to bomb me, that
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  right there. We'll touch on later on.
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  But that's where we get humbled and reminded that technology,
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  technology can only take us so far for ultimately, you know,
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  God forbid, someday in the future we can all rely on nature
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  and not technology. Because I thought it's going to
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  happen, but surf saying that. But yeah, this.
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  You think like what's going to happen?
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  You think that the the technology is going to become so
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  part of of daily life that people just neglect nature
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  entirely or like, what do you what do you mean by it's?
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  It's a mixed bag because it's that, but also again, go to
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  World War Three, there's like a chance there's a UMT, you know,
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  something to really blow out Wi-Fi Internet completely and
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  then we're in the dark. It's best be prepared for such
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  an occasion. I'm not saying it's going to
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  happen, but we can never see something's going to happen or
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  not happen. It's up in the air.
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  It can happen in a good moment. Maybe tomorrow, yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean and let's. Say Russia, China was like, hey,
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  you're done. Good luck, you know.
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  Right. And and that's where you know,
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  right. No, what's wild is like, you
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  know, even in my life, in mine and yours lifetime, you know, in
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  our lifetime, we've seen no Internet exist in the homes at
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  all. We were just fine.
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  You know, when you called somebody and they weren't home,
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  what did you do? You left them of an, an, A
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  voicemail, you know, and they had answering machines or if
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  they didn't have an answering machine, it rang until this
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  thing stopped ringing. Then then you'd wait and then
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  you'd call them back in 1/2 an hour or whatever it is.
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  You know what I mean? Like there was no sense of this.
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  Like I have to be in touch with you at a given's notice, you
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  know what I mean? And so like we, we grew up with
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  that. And then the generation before
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  that, like our parents, you know, like they grew up a lot of
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  them without televisions in their homes, you know, or maybe
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  they were some of the first families in urban America to
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  have a television in their homes.
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  And they were probably black and white, you know, running water
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  heat, you know, cool air heat in the winter, all these things.
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  These are relatively modern amenities that, you know, if our
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  ancestors could see the way we live now, they think we were
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  royalty, you know, because we've got so much at our disposal that
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  we don't have to hardly work for and I'm so.
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  Sorry, go ahead. Now add to that you were.
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  They may see us as royalty, but also no disrespect to anyone
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  listening, but they're ashamed. I believe on occasion they see
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  us too dependent on technology because what has gotten us as
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  far Jesse, technology? No, the human experience,
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  nature. Yeah.
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  And if anything, you know, I think like what what has been,
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  you know, or if you, or if you could think of anything that
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  humans did. That's where it where it started
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  them thinking of themselves as being separate from nature.
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  When did that happen? I you know, it's, you could
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  almost line it up perfectly with the invention of modern
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  conveniences, right where you didn't have to be reliant on
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  your hard work, your discipline, the daylight that you were given
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  the resources that you were able to grow, kill, hunt, fish, trap
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  yourself. Like once these modern
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  conveniences took us away from that because that's what that's
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  what our life was not all that long ago.
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  You know, you wanted to eat, you had to hunt it, fish it, catch
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  it, grow it. You wanted to, you know, be
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  comfortable. You had to, you know, think
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  about where you planted certain trees and how your house was
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  built to create cross ventilation and just all these
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  various things that were put into the living way of people
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  not all that long ago. Once you know, electricity and,
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  and running water and you know, these like modern, relatively
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  modern amenities came into play, it seems like that's when things
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  started really hitting a, you know, people just started
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  checking out of reality of, of their real connection to the
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  natural world. So then when should the day ever
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  come when, like you said, you know, things go dark, you know,
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  there's no Internet, whatever. People are going to lose their
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  absolute minds. They're going to go bonkers.
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  They're not going to know how to behave or how to act because
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  that's all they've ever known. I haven't.
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  I mean, I'm thankful for the for, for some of the lifestyle
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  that I was raised in to, you know, not have that to work on a
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  farm, to work in a garden, to know what it means to hunt and
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  to fish. You know, it's not always easy,
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  it's not always pleasant. But those are skills that I can
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  never unlearn, you know what I mean?
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  And it's like, yeah, I see all these people now that are just
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  oblivious to, you know, even even when they're in nature or
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  even when they're supposed to be, like, appreciating the world
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  around them, the life around them and stuff.
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  Where is their face buried in their phones, you know, Not
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  paying attention to the gifts that are around them, you know?
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  Costly. They're on us, Yeah.
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  And to answer your question, yeah, it's one became, it's one
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  became when convenience became dependency.
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  You know, again we go originally I was going to answer with
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  technology where it's it's face. I was going to say when dial up
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  Internet was a thing. And it's funny how that works
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  because when it was really becoming a thing, it was amazing
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  and it still is. It's incredible that we can
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  reach and make such great friendships and connections with
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  people, be it outsider state outside your country.
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  That's impressive. But all the while, though, we're
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  losing touch with not only nature, but we're a kid to get
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  this far. And I like to think of that
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  quote from Jurassic Park with Doctor Malcolm.
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  And, you know, he was talking to, you know, the scientists
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  about, you know, their evolution and making dinosaurs.
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  And he's like, well, you have to think that, you know, because
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  you could doesn't mean you should.
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  Good. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Your science, your scientists
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  are too busy figuring out whether they could do do this.
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  They stopped to think about whether they should.
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  Yeah. And that's, you know, that's the
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  thing, too. Yeah.
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  There it is. There you have it.
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  Sorry, go ahead. That just makes me wonder too,
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  like where this like where this like we kind of can all probably
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  come back to the same point in time or or moment in history
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  where something happened to create a privilege or a
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  convenience that was overused, misused.
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  And now it's become this dependency thing, you know,
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  like, instead of going to, you know, your library or wherever
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  to use the Internet, now you have every home in America with
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  strong Internet service at least.
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  Oh, yeah, maybe not every home, but the majority of every home
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  in America has, you know, Internet service.
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  You know, everybody's got a cell phone.
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  Everybody can be reached at a moment's notice, you know what I
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  mean? Like hardly anybody has
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  landlines anymore, you know, and it makes me think like with the
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  separation of humanity or, or, or humans in their, in their
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  connection with nature, that is, that is them, you know, makes
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  you think about the, the other factors, right?
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  Is it a cultural thing 'cause you look at other people around
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  the world, other cultures, and there are still plenty cultures
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  in the world that remain strongly connected to, to the
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  land in their lifestyles. You know, they live in ways
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  that, you know, echoes their their closeness to nature.
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  So, you know, this, this American culture, you know, the
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  industrial into the digital age and all this stuff, it's it's
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  moved us. It's moved this the people in
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  this country, at least by by and large.
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  I think it's moved us further away from the way things are
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  naturally designed to work and function the best, you know?
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  Religion. Back to sorry, yeah, it's a
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  family to interrupt people when they're talking, so go ahead.
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  No. No, no, you're fine bro.
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  Yeah, it's like I said, it's much to your show too.
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  So yeah, you saying go ahead, go say your say your piece.
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  And we go back to our age. Yeah.
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  We survived just fine without the Internet before it became a
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  thing, of course. But again, we go back to the not
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  sound too old or any day. Let's just you know, the good
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  old days to a friend, my dad or my mom.
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  They called and talked to their parents.
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  They drove us again. We go back further writing in
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  letters, pen pals. That's really cool too.
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  Again, who writes letters letters anymore?
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  Besides, you know they'll write it, but they have their letters,
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  billing, taxes, what have you. Yeah.
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  We'll never stop doing that. But again, it's just going to
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  affect the simple days again, like our parents are our
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  majority parents. When we came back home, it's
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  when it got dark. They didn't text us.
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  They might shout out her name. Like, Patrick, get over here
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  right now. You know, just like, yeah.
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  Oh, shoot. Oh, gotta get home now.
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  But. Yep.
• 25:01
  There, we've done that. We can do it again.
• 25:05
  Oh, yeah, I remember growing up. Yeah.
• 25:12
  It's not that, you know, we're not that far away from from
• 25:14
  there either, you know, I mean, it's.
• 25:16
  No, it hasn't been that long. It's because I can't, I remember
• 25:20
  as a kid and as a teenager living there in the house in, in
• 25:27
  Orange County, where when we moved off of the island, you
• 25:29
  know, my dad at the time when he bought that property and when
• 25:32
  they brought the property was, it was nearly 17 acres of woods
• 25:37
  that went with the house. So, you know, us kids were, we
• 25:43
  were back on the, the, the back 15 acres, you know, playing and
• 25:48
  being kids, you know, we didn't, we didn't want to play video
• 25:52
  games. We didn't want to go to the
• 25:53
  mall. We don't want to go, you know
• 25:54
  what I mean? We want to be outdoors.
• 25:56
  And my mom had this old cast iron dinner bell that was
• 26:02
  hanging off of the back porch. You know, the little dinner
• 26:05
  triangles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:07
  So you know, the old like cattle, the dinga linga linga
• 26:12
  Ling, they they'd ring it and it that'd be the signal for the for
• 26:15
  the hands and stuff, for the ranchers and all that to come in
• 26:17
  and get the get their food. And dude, it would we'd be back
• 26:21
  there on that back in the woods and it was a pretty hilly
• 26:25
  landscape, you know what I mean? So sound, if my mom were to
• 26:28
  shout, we probably wouldn't hear it.
• 26:30
  But when she wanted us to come back, she'd get out there on
• 26:34
  that back porch bringing that thing.
• 26:37
  She'd give it a good 30 seconds and my, my sister and I heard
• 26:42
  that it was like whatever we were doing stop and just start
• 26:45
  running back home. Like she better see us pop out
• 26:48
  of that wood line within 5 minutes or, you know, it wasn't
• 26:52
  going to be a pretty conversation or a pretty outcome
• 26:55
  otherwise. So.
• 26:57
  Well, even still though, all the same.
• 26:59
  We didn't have a phone. You didn't call us.
• 27:01
  You didn't check in. Was life 360?
• 27:03
  Where are you at? You know, like nobody was.
• 27:05
  Right, right. And our parents, our caregivers
• 27:08
  knew a certain amount of time it's time to go check up and
• 27:14
  possibly become worried and really concerned.
• 27:16
  No, no, no GPS again, no My life 360, no GPS, nothing like that.
• 27:22
  Yeah, it was based on intuition. It's been raw from us in that
• 27:27
  way. So before continue open mind me
• 27:30
  taking a short break here to answer the call of nature, but.
• 27:34
  Yeah, sure. Go right ahead and we'll be
• 27:36
  right back. Her hair smells like cinnamon.
• 27:42
  Was that Will Ferrell movie? You're a Smelly Pirate ain't
• 27:46
  with Anchorman Her. Her hair smells like cinnamon.
• 27:50
  Yeah. I don't know what we're yelling.
• 27:54
  I watched him one time and my whole time hearing him about the
• 27:58
  movie but yeah, not my. Fan It was a one of.
• 28:01
  Those I'm not a Will Ferrell fan.
• 28:02
  My dad and I are stand together. We hate Will Ferrell.
• 28:06
  Oh really? You're one of those.
• 28:07
  He's not just he. Yeah, I am.
• 28:09
  I am. OK, I like some of his stuff.
• 28:15
  I like a lot of his stuff. But like Adam Sandler's another
• 28:18
  one for me where I'm like, I can, I can deal with him in in
• 28:23
  salt doses, but and then there's other people that are like, oh
• 28:27
  man, he's like one of the greatest.
• 28:28
  I'm like, come on, like. He's all right.
• 28:31
  He's. Good.
• 28:31
  He was the one of the greatest poor.
• 28:34
  He wrote the cash cow, if you will.
• 28:37
  Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, well, ever since after
• 28:40
  Happy Gilmore and all those other movies, it got forced.
• 28:44
  They're trying too. Hard, if you will.
• 28:46
  You. Know, I, I think I like about
• 28:48
  Adam Sandler is how he he's like his friends have always got a
• 28:52
  job when he's in the director's chair, you know, like it's all
• 28:56
  the same cast or a lot of his movies.
• 28:58
  It's like a lot of the same people.
• 28:59
  You know, he looks out for his friends.
• 29:01
  They always have a role in his, you know what I mean?
• 29:03
  Like, I think that's kind of cool.
• 29:06
  You see the video, it's not tic tac for the most part, but one
• 29:11
  of his kids went to a a designer store for pursing a purse.
• 29:15
  She was dressed like his father or her father, and she got
• 29:20
  shunned away. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:22
  Yeah, and he's like, he came back like, oh, hey, I'm ass
• 29:26
  Heather. So fuck you, Yeah.
• 29:27
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:29
  End up buying a shit ton of products though anyways, yeah.
• 29:32
  Of course. Let's get back to the meat and
• 29:33
  potatoes. Let's go.
• 29:35
  Yes, back to the meat and potatoes.
• 29:38
  Thank you for introducing that. Brace me, I use it everyday.
• 29:42
  Oh yeah, it's good stuff, man. Glad you're enjoying it.
• 29:46
  Reminds you of those those autumn days, you know, cooking
• 29:49
  some cider or something and some apple pie, just those nice warm
• 29:55
  aromas, you know, what are you, what are what are your some of
• 29:57
  your favorite like seasonal aromas?
• 29:59
  Like now this time of year with with spring, you know,
• 30:03
  everything's waking up. Like is, is there like an aroma
• 30:07
  of spring that really just like, 'cause I know like some people
• 30:10
  they like, I love the smell of freshly cut grass or whatever.
• 30:13
  Stop the. Fucking hell, I was gonna say
• 30:16
  that. Oh, is it really grass?
• 30:19
  Yeah, it is. OK, I love fresh.
• 30:21
  Cut grass. I love small grass blossoms.
• 30:26
  You know the onions when they're growing back from that, though
• 30:35
  it's more of an autumn thing. But fires swing.
• 30:38
  A fire is pretty much autumn, but you know it's far as
• 30:41
  seasonal in every season. You know, it's always comforting
• 30:45
  in the South. Oh, yeah, a hell, a couple fires
• 30:49
  the other night. Yeah.
• 30:49
  I mean, I like, well, I've always fought campfires.
• 30:53
  Yeah. I mean, seasonal.
• 30:53
  Doesn't matter what time of year.
• 30:55
  The only time that I don't really enjoy the fire so much is
• 30:57
  when it's 8590° outside at night and it's like, I'm already hot.
• 31:04
  I don't want to sit around a fire.
• 31:05
  No, no. Like, weirdly enough, like it's
• 31:11
  not a very pleasant smell, but I like the smell of the river,
• 31:18
  like when the water is getting kind of low and it's not moving
• 31:23
  as fast. So there's this kind of like
• 31:25
  swampy. Stagnation.
• 31:27
  Like, yeah, like it's like it's, it's swampy smelling the algae
• 31:31
  and and whatnot that's. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Oh, it's. It's not a pleasant smell, but I
• 31:37
  wouldn't categorize it as a pleasant smell.
• 31:39
  But like, when I smell it when I'm walking along the Greenway
• 31:42
  and I I get a whiff of that on the air, I'm like home, you know
• 31:47
  what I mean? Like, it's just one of the yeah,
• 31:50
  manure is another one. I love manure.
• 31:52
  I love that smell. Cow manure specifically, yeah.
• 31:55
  Yes. Yes, it's just like it reminds
• 31:58
  me of gardening. Yeah, Oh yeah, dude.
• 32:02
  Digging fresh dirt Like planting those.
• 32:05
  Soil smell don't get you sharded.
• 32:07
  Yeah, yeah. Like digging in.
• 32:08
  I love it. I was planting those rose bushes
• 32:11
  for my wife the other day. So like break in that soil and
• 32:14
  getting that, that fresh cool dirt smell coming up.
• 32:19
  Yeah, that's amazing. I.
• 32:22
  Love that. Yeah.
• 32:25
  So I think that's another thing too.
• 32:26
  Talking about like why or what things have caused this
• 32:30
  separation. You know, I think it's, it's,
• 32:35
  it's lifestyle. You know, people aren't just
• 32:38
  living lifestyles that put their hands in the dirt or that get
• 32:41
  their bodies out into nature to pause and appreciate these minor
• 32:46
  things that we're talking about, you know, the certain smells,
• 32:48
  the things that connect us, right?
• 32:51
  Put us in that mind space, in that heart space to be like, Oh,
• 32:54
  yeah, this is part of me, you know, and I'm part of it.
• 32:58
  And we are together in this. It's not.
• 32:59
  I'm not separate from it. And all these daily distractions
• 33:04
  that we have that cause us to, you know, neglect or forget.
• 33:10
  Because would you say like, psychologically speaking, you
• 33:14
  know, what happens to us psychologically?
• 33:19
  What do you think happens, like in that way, when we begin to
• 33:22
  see ourselves as, you know, separate from that living
• 33:33
  landscape, from nature? What do you think happens to us
• 33:35
  psychologically when we allow ourselves to just be so far
• 33:39
  removed from that connection? Unless that restart recording.
• 33:47
  Oh, we've been recording. Yeah, we've got, we've got some
• 33:52
  of the good, we've got some of the BB sides.
• 33:54
  Of the people. That's what I wanted.
• 33:56
  That's what I wanted to do, what I wanted to do.
• 33:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. One more.
• 34:02
  Time please. Cinnamon aromas, all that's part
• 34:06
  of it now. But anyway, what do you think
• 34:09
  happens to us like psychologically when we when
• 34:13
  people, when, when, whatever, when we begin to see ourselves
• 34:15
  as separate from that living world, from nature, when we no
• 34:18
  longer assign this experience as us being one with it?
• 34:25
  What do you think happens to somebody psychologically when
• 34:30
  they when they separate like that?
• 34:32
  We lose our way, we lose the journey going back to our
• 34:39
  ancestors, our immediate family who are still with us and have
• 34:45
  passed. We lose that identity.
• 34:48
  We lose that nature, that nurture, that nature provides
• 34:52
  us. And though we're still human, I
• 34:59
  think we're less human and more technology advanced.
• 35:05
  Like too much on the screen on the phone.
• 35:10
  More machine like than than than.
• 35:13
  Animal like, human like. Yeah, it's just going by the
• 35:15
  nature of, you know, media. Which is it?
• 35:21
  You know, it's an interesting thing to think about because
• 35:24
  yes, you know, you look at our bodies are, you know, we
• 35:30
  ourselves are, you know, our bodies are ecosystems,
• 35:35
  microbiomes, there's bacteria, molecules, I mean, all these
• 35:39
  things, everything is made-up of molecules, right?
• 35:43
  The chair, the table, my cup, me, you, this TV, like the, the
• 35:47
  camera, everything's made of molecules and the molecules are
• 35:50
  passing within us and we're passing through them.
• 35:52
  And there's this constant thing that's happening that we don't
• 35:56
  give most attention to. We don't give attention to most
• 35:59
  of the times. So, but like what we are as, as
• 36:06
  humans are more than just animals, right?
• 36:08
  Because we have this, we have this cognitive ability, we're
• 36:11
  able to reason and problem solve and experience the wider range,
• 36:16
  a wide array of emotions and respond to those emotions in
• 36:20
  different ways. So as much as we are nature,
• 36:24
  there is still this, there's this divine or sacred part of us
• 36:33
  that's running the ship, if you will, right?
• 36:36
  There's this machine of the brain wherever the all this.
• 36:41
  We're multifaceted in that way. So it's it's learning to, I
• 36:47
  guess, reconnect with that part of our consciousness that knows
• 36:52
  where we've come from and what we are part of and that we're
• 36:55
  not separate from it. We just exist in a different way
• 37:00
  through it all. Right.
• 37:02
  And much like nature in our bodies, they're much, very much
• 37:06
  entwined or intertwined 'cause when nature's going wrong, it
• 37:12
  shows it. It doesn't tell you we have
• 37:16
  trees. For example, there are trees.
• 37:20
  I believe there's one time you and jam in a podcast talking
• 37:23
  about trees and how they communicate.
• 37:26
  You know when 1 tree falls down, it just so happens that another
• 37:31
  one supports it. The tree's alone to sleep.
• 37:37
  Yeah, the whole like mycelium network where signals are being
• 37:42
  passed through the root systems through the mycelium, and it's
• 37:47
  all frequencies, it's all vibrations and it's all
• 37:52
  frequencies, you know, and how that communication is happening
• 37:56
  subterranean, right through the root system.
• 38:00
  It's unspoken communication. It's just like.
• 38:03
  Our bodies like we're really thirsty, we want to have
• 38:07
  something to drink. Looking really hungry.
• 38:10
  Our body doesn't tell us verbally like we need to eat
• 38:13
  something. We feel that.
• 38:15
  Yeah. Or we feel in danger when there
• 38:18
  may not be danger right in front of us.
• 38:21
  We go back to our intuition, our gut.
• 38:24
  That. Primal instinct, like, you know,
• 38:26
  it's like someone's watching you or you know, again, the food we
• 38:31
  eat. We.
• 38:35
  If you will, you know, do the third need, but, you know,
• 38:39
  excreting our, you know, equipments and what have you,
• 38:42
  you know, we could tell a lot about that.
• 38:45
  Like I need more fiber or wow, I have too much fiber, you know?
• 38:52
  Like, yeah, right, it's. It's it's.
• 38:55
  Ugly. Too much cheese.
• 38:56
  Ugly. Exactly right, you know, So
• 38:59
  again, our body, it's like nature, something's wrong.
• 39:05
  Yeah. We don't need a doctor for that.
• 39:08
  It's no not wrong seeking a doctor when things go wrong, but
• 39:12
  again, it's listening to what's inside of us and outside of us.
• 39:18
  Yeah. And how many people have
• 39:21
  forgotten how to to listen to those telltale signs, you know,
• 39:25
  whether it be through their body trying to tell them to stop, to
• 39:30
  slow down, to rest, you know, and they just, they ignore it
• 39:37
  for whatever reasons, you know, I go, I got to keep, keep on
• 39:40
  keeping on. And it's like, no, you, you have
• 39:44
  to give space to rest and recovery as much as you do to
• 39:49
  work and diligence. I mean, it has to be that cause
• 39:52
  again, you look at the natural cycles of things, you know,
• 39:55
  circadian cycles, seasons, hormones, I mean, all of these
• 40:01
  things exist in the natural world.
• 40:02
  Why less those so than with us? And if we're doing things to
• 40:08
  disrupt those natural. Rhythms, whether it be through
• 40:15
  substances, whether it be through worrying, whether it be
• 40:17
  through our work habits, whatever you know, we're, we got
• 40:23
  to keep that balance in check. I think is a is a, you know?
• 40:29
  Absolutely. Remember, 'cause you you talk
• 40:32
  about like just the the modern conveniences and how they've
• 40:35
  been overused and misused and becoming more of a dependency.
• 40:39
  That's because we've been out of rhythm.
• 40:41
  You know, how many, how many kids do you see nowadays in
• 40:46
  public who are face buried in a phone or in a tablet?
• 40:53
  You know, they're not engaged with the people around them.
• 40:58
  They're not being taught anything from their from their
• 41:01
  parents. They're being taught things
• 41:03
  through a computer screen or through a laptop or through a
• 41:06
  tablet or phone, right? Like these, These are
• 41:09
  impressionable minds, young soil, you know, and these seeds
• 41:14
  that are being planted by and large through that, through
• 41:18
  those modern tools, you know, are not great.
• 41:23
  Yeah. It, it really does frighten me
• 41:26
  because I've been in a relationship before or my
• 41:31
  partner's son was bringing gross with his phone, you know,
• 41:36
  constantly playing Minecraft or what have you.
• 41:39
  And he, he was so creative and so amazing.
• 41:44
  And anytime she would ask him to take a break from, you know, be
• 41:50
  at the phone or what have you, I noticed like qualities within
• 41:56
  myself that I have with substances like, you know,
• 42:00
  opiates, what have you. And it's scary because these
• 42:05
  kids, like you mentioned, are so impressionable.
• 42:10
  I worry about the future because of that, that they're being
• 42:13
  bombarded with technology. They didn't have what we had
• 42:17
  growing up or our parents. They're in a culture that's very
• 42:21
  scary. Not that sounds bleak or
• 42:24
  anything, but it's scary. It's really scary.
• 42:28
  They're losing that connection with nature more than us.
• 42:32
  You know, I worry about my phone usage on occasion, but like
• 42:35
  seeing these kids nowadays, like like I mentioned to you off
• 42:39
  camera, my dad, his partner would be to say kids and they
• 42:44
  have some playing on my YouTube page 'cause we share my account.
• 42:48
  So then they watch inevitably I see it, I don't watch it, but
• 42:52
  just like the stuff the kids watch nowadays is brain rot.
• 42:56
  Like just like not even funny, just like he like really losing
• 43:03
  all that they are it's. There's no educational value,
• 43:06
  there's no moral, ethical anything to it.
• 43:09
  It's just something to keep their attention away from the
• 43:14
  adults we had. It made growing up like I'm not
• 43:19
  to shot my age or anything, but we have Mr. Rogers, we have Bob
• 43:24
  Ross, we have Steve Irwin. We're the very unique period in
• 43:30
  our lives to have these great figures now who more or less
• 43:33
  passed away, be it from social media or TV or what have you, or
• 43:37
  just life in general. They have gone.
• 43:41
  And I again, I would love nothing more to have people or
• 43:46
  men or women like us to carry the flame of what they had to
• 43:51
  offer. And that's something I'm trying
• 43:54
  my best to or trying to again, carry that message.
• 44:01
  Be like this, Rogers. You know, like, I like you the
• 44:03
  way you are. Or bro Bob Ross, you know,
• 44:07
  there's no mistakes, only happy accidents.
• 44:10
  Adapt. Overcome.
• 44:14
  Yeah, I used to love watching those PBS shows, 'cause they
• 44:17
  did. They taught you something.
• 44:18
  And dude, even back then, like my mom was very, even though it
• 44:21
  was educational content that we were, we still watched our
• 44:25
  cartoons and you know, things that were just good for kids to
• 44:29
  be entertained by. Right.
• 44:31
  But even then, like my mom was very keen on not letting the
• 44:35
  television raise her children 'cause that was, you know, kids
• 44:40
  had T VS when we were growing up, you know, so they may not
• 44:43
  have had phones or tablets, but they had a form of media that an
• 44:47
  adult could set them in front of.
• 44:50
  And if I left unsupervised, that kids not going to move, that
• 44:52
  kids going to sit there and watch TV till his eyes dry out
• 44:56
  like. Exactly right.
• 44:57
  You know a lot of the. Programs that are shown to kids,
• 45:01
  again because of the parent. I'd like to believe that a lot
• 45:04
  of the things there are a lot to watch are substantial, if you
• 45:09
  will, but it's unfiltered. Yeah.
• 45:14
  It's not for the, it's just. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:17
  Yeah, especially. Like we have, you know, we have
• 45:20
  Skyler over all week, you know, sometimes five days a week when
• 45:26
  her mom's working. And yes, she, she can watch
• 45:29
  stuff on TV, but we decide what she's going to watch.
• 45:32
  And then when she's on her tablet, it is just for things
• 45:37
  like, yes, there's some like games for a child her age, but
• 45:41
  it's all like color associations and pattern associations and
• 45:45
  letters and things. So it's training her brain to.
• 45:48
  Learn. You know what I mean?
• 45:50
  It's not just playing a goofy game or watching videos.
• 45:53
  It's all vetted before she ever gets absorbing it.
• 45:58
  And this time of year especially, like when it's nice
• 46:02
  outside, take her, take her to go play at the park.
• 46:06
  We're at the Discovery Center where she's exposed to nature in
• 46:10
  some form or fashion and she's being stimulated.
• 46:13
  Her mind is being given information that she can learn
• 46:16
  from. So, you know, that's what we try
• 46:19
  to do with with our young ones is, is to give them that sense
• 46:23
  of belonging to the world that you live in.
• 46:26
  You're not just here to watch it go by.
• 46:29
  You're here to participate and intertwine and be woven into
• 46:35
  that fabric, you know? Love it though, since we're
• 46:39
  talking about this, me growing up, unlike my brother and my
• 46:45
  cousins, I'm not proud to say this, but I was very much
• 46:51
  engrossed with TV and that's helped me.
• 46:54
  But also in some ways, I wouldn't say harm me because I
• 46:58
  feel like I'm pretty well adjusted as far as, you know,
• 47:01
  human contact and relationships. But you know, just like, but
• 47:10
  growing up, I watched HBO, I got to watch The Sopranos was being
• 47:16
  aired Tales in the Crib again, these are shows that they're
• 47:20
  really kid friendly, but. Right.
• 47:23
  It didn't really the build tipped me in the way to really
• 47:26
  make me like a serial killer or anything like that, you know,
• 47:28
  just like it was fun and when I was a kid.
• 47:32
  Yeah. I'm very happy to have the
• 47:33
  presence of mind knowing like, this is TV, this is not real
• 47:37
  life, you know? Yeah.
• 47:44
  Yeah, you got to have that, you know, sense about you.
• 47:52
  I was thinking too like if if if you were ever to hear I I don't
• 47:56
  I don't really follow any people that that would say this.
• 47:59
  But like, if you've ever heard somebody say it, you know, we
• 48:02
  are separate from nature because what's going on out there is
• 48:04
  going on out there and we're we're not a part of it.
• 48:07
  I don't hear anything like that. But because there's so many
• 48:11
  simple biological realities that challenge that idea of us being
• 48:15
  separate from nature, don't you think like.
• 48:17
  Yeah, absolutely. Like what?
• 48:20
  What would be some like simple biological realities that would
• 48:23
  challenge anybody to think that we are separate from nature or
• 48:26
  or outside of nature? Like what do you think of
• 48:29
  biological challenges that could be like that?
• 48:32
  Note that blows that theory out of the water.
• 48:34
  We, of course, we're one with nature and it is with us and all
• 48:37
  that. Well, going back to potentially
• 48:41
  in the future when we go dark, getting our own food, it's not
• 48:46
  just Internet, but getting our food, you know, hunting or
• 48:52
  getting shelter. Yeah.
• 48:55
  It's very fundamental to know how to do these things, but also
• 49:00
  know where your food comes from because a lot of the time the
• 49:05
  food we eat is not really contaminated but altered
• 49:11
  genetically for all the wrong reasons.
• 49:15
  Yeah, you got to know what's safe to eat.
• 49:17
  Yeah, to preserve their shelf blood.
• 49:18
  I respect that to a degree. But at the same time, I don't
• 49:24
  know. It's just I.
• 49:27
  Don't know. I guess what I was thinking of
• 49:28
  when I asked that was more along the lines of like a simple thing
• 49:32
  that we do every day that we don't even have to think about,
• 49:35
  but because it happens, it's why we're alive.
• 49:39
  The the, the very simple act of breathing that in and itself is
• 49:47
  an obvious reality that puts us as one with nature because we
• 49:54
  can't breathe without the trees and they can't survive without
• 49:56
  us. That we, we rely on each other
• 50:01
  to exist. Our very life is owed to each
• 50:06
  other. Like that's a very simple
• 50:09
  biological reality. That's like, if you wanted to
• 50:12
  think of nature as outside of you, you can't now because the
• 50:15
  breeze, you know, that's the. Point there.
• 50:18
  I'm sorry you're done. Oh yeah, no, no, maybe I've
• 50:21
  just, maybe. Maybe I've worded it not the
• 50:24
  greatest, but like. No, you're fine.
• 50:27
  Pretty warm. Or Kevin's shelter.
• 50:32
  Yeah, like when it's cold, raising the fire or having Kitty
• 50:37
  available or feeling too hot. Same.
• 50:42
  Cool. You know, we talked earlier
• 50:48
  about like the, the psychological impact or the
• 50:51
  psychological effect of, of humans growing separate from the
• 50:58
  nature that they're, that they're one with, you know, just
• 51:01
  as I mentioned, right, the simple act of breathing.
• 51:03
  I mean, you look at our, you know, you look at our
• 51:06
  cardiovascular system, you look at the way the lungs are and it
• 51:09
  looks that all the vessels and everything through the lungs.
• 51:12
  It looks like a root system. It looks like the trees of a
• 51:16
  root, you know, roots of a tree. And it, it makes you think, you
• 51:21
  know, beyond, you know, the psychological impact, because
• 51:25
  that's talking about things with the mind and, and how we feel
• 51:29
  and, and whatnot. And I, and I think, you know, I
• 51:32
  was going to ask you like, do you think it's possible that a
• 51:35
  lot of the reason why modern problems exist so rampantly,
• 51:41
  things like anxiety, depression, all these mental plights, right?
• 51:47
  Do you think it's possible that a lot of those things exist now
• 51:51
  be as a result of humanity ignoring the the rhythms that
• 51:57
  our bodies are in aligned with in nature, the circadian
• 52:01
  rhythms, the natural seasons, the comings and goings of
• 52:04
  things? You think that it's possible
• 52:07
  that a lot of our modern mental issues have grown so much
• 52:11
  because of that ignoring of the rhythms of of of nature within
• 52:16
  us? I know that, my gut at least.
• 52:20
  I know that's the problem or part of the problem, absolutely.
• 52:28
  And knowing is half the battle, right?
• 52:30
  Was it GI Joe? So maybe that's like a, that's
• 52:35
  a, that's an awareness sort of thing that people listening to
• 52:38
  the show or watching the show can, can realize.
• 52:42
  Like maybe it's not the only thing, but maybe it's a big
• 52:46
  reason as to why the things because I don't know about you,
• 52:50
  man, but like, uh, any way that I can connect with nature, even
• 52:56
  if it's just going outside and walking barefoot in the ground,
• 52:59
  you know, getting your skin on, bare skin on, on the earth, just
• 53:07
  that seemingly simple and insignificant act, Uh, just
• 53:12
  doing that improves my mood. I don't know if you've I'm sure.
• 53:17
  Yeah, like knowing you, I'm sure you've.
• 53:19
  You know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 53:21
  It's and it and I challenge anybody who's feeling distressed
• 53:26
  or feeling worried about something is pause what you're
• 53:29
  thinking about. Pause what you're doing.
• 53:32
  Give yourself 10 minutes, get your shoes off, get your socks
• 53:35
  off, cut, touch your bare skin to the earth.
• 53:38
  And it's not going to solve your problems.
• 53:40
  But I I am almost 100% willing to bet that you will be in a
• 53:44
  better mental state to deal with those things after just about 10
• 53:48
  minutes of bare skin to earth exposure.
• 53:52
  It will help you. It will help you if you have
• 53:55
  again the mindset, but more importantly the mentality.
• 54:03
  Yeah, and even if you don't. To really engross yourself with
• 54:07
  something other than technology. Again, taking that break from,
• 54:12
  you know, the phone TD. Yeah.
• 54:18
  Having the opportunity to see things a little bit differently.
• 54:24
  Yeah. Makes all the difference.
• 54:27
  Right. Because when you don't have
• 54:28
  those distractions, when you don't have those things in the
• 54:31
  background or in the foreground even, what else is there to
• 54:35
  focus on your environment being present in the moment, right?
• 54:42
  So you're not worried about this notification or this post or
• 54:44
  that message or this update on whatever it's now.
• 54:50
  You're forced to be present with it.
• 54:51
  And I think that just like with the problems that could possibly
• 54:58
  have arisen due to, you know, being out of rhythm, the
• 55:04
  anxieties, the depressions and all these things, if that's what
• 55:07
  caused it, or if that's a big contributor to what's caused the
• 55:11
  rise of these types of issues, the increase in these types of,
• 55:14
  of, of issues, then it would make sense to say that the
• 55:19
  treatment for that one of the, one of the ways for treating it
• 55:23
  would be to do the opposite, right?
• 55:26
  Become more present with nature and sit and, and give yourself
• 55:31
  that time and make it a practice, Make it a, make it
• 55:34
  become a thing that is part of your daily existence and a part
• 55:37
  of your daily life. And then see what happens to
• 55:41
  your overall life, your overall well-being.
• 55:47
  Absolutely. Again, like I mentioned to you
• 55:52
  personally and also with my post in general, I tend to take
• 55:57
  breaks in social media and it's very aggravating but also a
• 56:03
  blessing, kind of like a true mix, if you will.
• 56:05
  But it's great taking time out, stepping away from my phone,
• 56:14
  being beat out in nature or among my immediate family, my
• 56:19
  dad and his partner, my mom and my brother.
• 56:22
  They're very enriching. But it's kind of a catch 22, if
• 56:28
  you will. Because we take so much time
• 56:31
  away from social media. We sometimes come across that
• 56:38
  moment where we're so disconnected with our people
• 56:42
  against something we're in this day and age, but.
• 56:45
  Yeah. It missed one thing you miss a
• 56:47
  lot. I know what you mean.
• 56:49
  There's. Tons.
• 56:50
  Yeah, there's tons of social media.
• 56:51
  I took a break on this birthdays, life changing events.
• 56:56
  It's debilitating and I hate that.
• 56:59
  I really do. But I don't hate what it does
• 57:01
  for me. It's reminded me that I'm more
• 57:04
  than technology. I'm more than social media.
• 57:07
  Yeah, sharing is caring. I love that.
• 57:10
  But sometimes we receive and participated things that's meant
• 57:15
  for us and only us. Not my friends, not my family,
• 57:20
  especially not social media. There's some things that's meant
• 57:24
  for us and only us. Yeah, yeah, dude, I totally get
• 57:29
  that, especially with when, when, when this like the people
• 57:33
  who you're the most connected with are, you know, states away
• 57:42
  or even counties away, you know, I mean, an hour or two distance
• 57:46
  between people that's, you know, that's four hours of travel, you
• 57:51
  know what I mean? To go somewhere just to see
• 57:54
  somebody for a couple hours and then that's half of a day, you
• 57:57
  know what I mean? It's like there's so much, it's
• 58:00
  not making an excuse. But the reality is, is that
• 58:03
  because we're all so displaced, we're all living and you know,
• 58:08
  just the people that you and I know collectively, you know,
• 58:10
  we're, we're hundreds of miles apart from one another at any
• 58:15
  given point in time. So the, the way that we stay
• 58:19
  connected is through like the use of social media.
• 58:22
  So you're right. Like when you're taking that
• 58:25
  much needed break from the, the thing that you want to take a
• 58:29
  break from, it's like, well, then at the same time, taking a
• 58:34
  break from the people who mean the most to me.
• 58:37
  So you're caught in this. Like it's this conundrum of, of
• 58:40
  events that just goes, man, you know, and it's, you know, we
• 58:45
  don't have to have social media stay in touch.
• 58:47
  We use it. It's convenient, it makes it
• 58:48
  easy. Everybody has a phone, everybody
• 58:51
  has a phone number. Anybody can call anybody that,
• 58:53
  you know, as they see fit or if they need to.
• 58:55
  So we're not, we're not the, you know, separated, but it's the
• 59:01
  convenience aspect, right? It's realizing like, wow, you
• 59:04
  know, after me being offline for a week, you know, something
• 59:09
  could have happened, somebody could have died, somebody could
• 59:12
  have been born somebody, you know what I mean?
• 59:13
  Like all these things. That.
• 59:15
  Happened and you're like, wow, you know, I was gone for a week
• 59:17
  and you know, I got to like catch up on all this stuff.
• 59:21
  It's crazy to think that in such a short period of time, how
• 59:24
  closely we're connected the lives of each other that we're,
• 59:27
  that we've interwoven, you know, how much it means to us when
• 59:31
  we're gone for even just a short period of time or separate from
• 59:34
  that, you know, but no, you know, like, what's interesting
• 59:40
  is, is especially like you and I've talked about, and you've
• 59:43
  identified with this term before as animism or being an animist.
• 59:49
  So when we talk about right, the, the, the oneness of nature
• 59:53
  that you are nature, it's not, you're just a part of something.
• 59:56
  It's you are that thing and and that thing is you and.
• 1:00:01
  You know, animism as the idea that the world is alive and
• 1:00:05
  relational. It's not just alive in its own
• 1:00:08
  thing doing its own thing. It's alive with us and we share
• 1:00:12
  maybe not all of our moments, but we share a good portion of
• 1:00:16
  our existence. Absolutely.
• 1:00:20
  So it's like, and it's like once you become aware of that and
• 1:00:24
  once that becomes your ideology, once it becomes your belief, the
• 1:00:30
  way that you live. Unnecessary part of our
• 1:00:33
  evolution and our lives. Yeah, I mean a part.
• 1:00:38
  Of it. Sorry, go ahead.
• 1:00:41
  No, no, I was just agreeing with you.
• 1:00:42
  I wanted to hear the rest of what you had to say.
• 1:00:46
  It's one thing to love and appreciate nature or ancestors.
• 1:01:00
  But the journey, again, trying to stay on topic, but the
• 1:01:05
  journey that's taken to get us as far and it's a pain in the
• 1:01:10
  ass come this far because at the same time, we look back to the
• 1:01:15
  simpler days now they were simpler, but at the same time,
• 1:01:20
  very, very important to mention here with technology treatment
• 1:01:25
  for diseases. I'm very, very, very happy to
• 1:01:31
  live in this day and age like being born the way it happened.
• 1:01:35
  I'm happy to be born in the day and age where I have my clipped
• 1:01:38
  out here, my ears. When I was born, I was very much
• 1:01:43
  affected by them and I had the procedures to make this more
• 1:01:49
  comfortable. I'm very happy to have these
• 1:01:53
  accommodations. So again, it's very much a sorry
• 1:01:58
  catch 22. Technology is badass but also
• 1:02:01
  very fucked up. It's just trying to find that
• 1:02:05
  happy medium of making the best of both worlds.
• 1:02:10
  It's just again, like, without sharing too much, there are
• 1:02:17
  people that we love who are afflicted by disease.
• 1:02:21
  I'm happy to have treatments available to them to really help
• 1:02:27
  them and aid them during a very hard time.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, man. And that's, you know, that's,
• 1:02:38
  you take everything into context.
• 1:02:39
  You know, when you see the great advancements that our species
• 1:02:44
  have made through studies, through testing, through like,
• 1:02:50
  there's been a lot of wonderful things happen as a result.
• 1:02:53
  Of. Technology and, and, and our
• 1:02:56
  ever growing minds and stuff it's, it's again like you say
• 1:03:00
  this catch 20 twos. You can go too far one way or
• 1:03:03
  the other, but it doesn't take away from the good things that
• 1:03:07
  are out there for people that need it, you know, beneficial
• 1:03:10
  things. And how still, you know, like,
• 1:03:15
  you know, I'm sure that with all the modern things that happened,
• 1:03:18
  I went when it gets to be too much, when it's overwhelming and
• 1:03:20
  when there's just a lot to, to try and process, you know,
• 1:03:25
  feelings and, and all of that. You know, what's that you've
• 1:03:30
  talked about before? You know, you're not, you're not
• 1:03:32
  going out to nature to escape. It's to, to, to discover, you
• 1:03:39
  know, Yeah. To again and I bring out my
• 1:03:43
  personal limit here for those of you guys watching an item, a
• 1:03:50
  spirit from again, my hikes. I brought this home because
• 1:03:57
  again, close starting with today's podcast, we're part of
• 1:04:01
  nature and I want to take part of my nature, my journeys and
• 1:04:06
  bring it back home because again, trying to stay on topic
• 1:04:10
  here, but my hikes I go to takes me about anywhere in the
• 1:04:15
  ballpark of like 25 to 45 minutes.
• 1:04:20
  It's great to have the convenience travel so shortly to
• 1:04:23
  get there, but again, I want to bring home that part of nature,
• 1:04:29
  that part of the experience to my day-to-day life.
• 1:04:32
  Not pictures, not videos. A physical patient of what helps
• 1:04:41
  me, aids me, is part of my spirit.
• 1:04:48
  Oh yeah, bro, you know, it's like a difference.
• 1:04:52
  It's like the it's the difference that one would arrive
• 1:04:55
  to or arrive at between, you know, owning land and being a
• 1:05:02
  belonging to the land. Like it's not to say that this
• 1:05:07
  is my land because I own it. It's to say that this is my land
• 1:05:11
  because I belong to it. You know, like I'm part of this
• 1:05:16
  land. This is how indigenous people
• 1:05:19
  believe from any part of the world is, you know, they belong
• 1:05:24
  to the land. And that's that's why so many of
• 1:05:27
  those old ways, those old world views where, you know, rivers,
• 1:05:30
  forests, mountains, trees, animals, they were seen as kin,
• 1:05:37
  as relatives, not just, you know, other existing beings that
• 1:05:43
  are outside of doing their own thing.
• 1:05:44
  Like, yeah, they are, but they are.
• 1:05:45
  They are our neighbors. You know what I mean?
• 1:05:50
  Absolutely. Belonging to the land and
• 1:05:52
  knowing that they are belonging to the land too it, it puts us
• 1:05:55
  in that kinship space. So if you don't mind me, I need
• 1:06:04
  ticket right to sure switch on my carry aid from my Airpods and
• 1:06:10
  you know. Yeah, we got some more great
• 1:06:12
  stuff coming, people. So stick around and we'll be
• 1:06:15
  right back. Let's go, let's go.
• 1:06:18
  Let's. Go, let's go.
• 1:06:24
  You punk fan, man, you like, you like Sex Pistols and, and, and
• 1:06:29
  we call it Ramones and any of that type of stuff.
• 1:06:34
  Not really, no. Not really.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, it's OK. Well, we won't hold that against
• 1:06:40
  you. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  You feel better now, ready to carry on, carry on with the show
• 1:06:49
  there. Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  You know, I just, you know, I think like the again, like once
• 1:06:58
  you once you embrace animism as as what it is you, you, you, it.
• 1:07:04
  It's impossible to live without knowing that we are relations
• 1:07:08
  with nature around us. Like this isn't just outside of
• 1:07:12
  us. It's not separate from us.
• 1:07:13
  It's us together in our lives echo that much more like our
• 1:07:18
  ancestors lives would have been, you know, because I believe that
• 1:07:21
  I don't know if you have a thought on this, but I believe
• 1:07:23
  that they, you know, not even all that long ago, because
• 1:07:26
  again, we're talking, you know, last couple 100 years even, you
• 1:07:32
  know, within our generations of grandparents and great
• 1:07:35
  grandparents that, you know, they experienced the world as
• 1:07:38
  much more quote, UN quote alive, you know, then we do today.
• 1:07:43
  Life was, you know, it required you to be in tune with that
• 1:07:49
  those natural rhythms, I think. What do you think?
• 1:07:52
  Absolutely. I mean, we go back to the early,
• 1:07:56
  early days where our ancestors depended on the sun, the moon
• 1:08:04
  and more importantly the seasons.
• 1:08:08
  The seasons led to grow your crops went to harvest, went to
• 1:08:15
  take shelter. And that alone is an arduous
• 1:08:19
  journey alone and any stage and any time period.
• 1:08:24
  Nothing's set in concrete here again.
• 1:08:27
  Let's go back to yesterday here in my neck of the woods.
• 1:08:30
  I'm sure many of you as well. Alright, So my dad, his family
• 1:08:36
  stopped by great time alright so during that time it was 8070°
• 1:08:43
  right? Right.
• 1:08:44
  So listen again So. Same here, it's like 10:00. 56
• 1:08:49
  o'clock I checked the forecast like 50° I was originally
• 1:08:53
  wearing shorts and AT shirt and my my brother like pops pops his
• 1:08:57
  hoodie on I'm like. He's got the right idea here.
• 1:09:00
  You. Know let's go.
• 1:09:02
  It's so silly though, just to have it changed so fast now for
• 1:09:07
  us in the same age, it's great to have the comforts and the
• 1:09:11
  combinations to be comfortable. But our ancestors didn't have it
• 1:09:18
  so well made for us or for them, you know?
• 1:09:22
  Yeah, yeah. You had to have a fire ready to
• 1:09:25
  get, you know, to be warm and, you know, blankets and all these
• 1:09:28
  things. You know, it wasn't just as easy
• 1:09:30
  as turning up the thermostat or turning it down.
• 1:09:33
  No, no, no. Not.
• 1:09:35
  At all. Yeah.
• 1:09:37
  So that said, I want to touch upon something going back to
• 1:09:40
  nature. Plants.
• 1:09:44
  We love them. The river very much part of our
• 1:09:48
  lives. You know, we have tomatoes,
• 1:09:52
  lavender. Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  Plants we use every day. So I'm going to take you guys a
• 1:09:59
  little journey very shortly here and my other part of the
• 1:10:03
  basement here with my plants. Oh nice.
• 1:10:06
  So before I continue, before I continue though, I planted
• 1:10:12
  several seeds. Some are doing great, some
• 1:10:16
  aren't much like ourselves. Again, it's our duty to not only
• 1:10:24
  give them the attention, nutrients and support the need,
• 1:10:30
  but also keeping in mind the realization some will wither and
• 1:10:35
  die, some will do fantastic. It's our spirit, our hearts that
• 1:10:45
  keep them going or give them the love, respect they deserve.
• 1:10:54
  So let's go guys. Let's go.
• 1:10:57
  Let's. Go.
• 1:11:00
  Take us to the greenhouse. Here we go guys.
• 1:11:04
  Let me turn on proper light here.
• 1:11:06
  There we go. Yeah, for those.
• 1:11:12
  Folks that are just listening to the show, this is where it kind
• 1:11:15
  of cool is cool for you to become a patron on Patreon
• 1:11:17
  because you get to see things like this where Patrick's going
• 1:11:20
  to show us some of the the seedlings that he's sprouting.
• 1:11:23
  So yeah, take it away, Sir. So I guess some are doing great.
• 1:11:29
  They're doing great last night. But one of my pride and joys is
• 1:11:33
  falling over, and some are remaining steadfast with their
• 1:11:41
  growth. And what all do you have
• 1:11:44
  growing? Great question.
• 1:11:47
  So I have lavender dahlias, magnolias.
• 1:11:52
  Lavender lavender's a very fickle creature there, a plant
• 1:11:56
  if you will. But I'm again, some of these are
• 1:12:03
  doing so well. So mostly herbs, yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Yeah, herbs and plants. Yeah, Magnolia, that's neat,
• 1:12:11
  man. You're going to try to grow it
• 1:12:13
  to a point, put it in a plot, a pot, and then try to like
• 1:12:16
  transplant it in the yard or something.
• 1:12:19
  That's where my situation got kind of messed up, if you will.
• 1:12:23
  So last night actually a summit plants like they need water,
• 1:12:30
  right? Sounds very intuitive.
• 1:12:34
  No, I believe that's probably the one issue I had with the Sea
• 1:12:38
  Pods. Again, these guys are great, but
• 1:12:42
  finding the right time to water them is very tumultuous.
• 1:12:47
  Again, you know, I believe I'm not a plant expert yet, but some
• 1:12:53
  of them have fallen over and some are still growing.
• 1:12:58
  Some are still, you know, doing their job.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah, you don't want to overwater them too.
• 1:13:03
  Like that's the whole thing. You can.
• 1:13:04
  You can underwater and overwater, I think.
• 1:13:07
  I think people get. More.
• 1:13:09
  They get more inclined to overwater because they think
• 1:13:12
  they're not moist enough. Exactly right.
• 1:13:15
  It's. So you got to just.
• 1:13:17
  Know the the plant, breed, species, you know, whatever and
• 1:13:21
  then dress it accordingly, you know?
• 1:13:25
  And tell anyone interested in gardening or continue gardening,
• 1:13:30
  much like camping if you will keep it simple.
• 1:13:34
  Keep it easy. I'm not that kind of person,
• 1:13:37
  unfortunately. It's just, you know, really
• 1:13:40
  paying mind to that, though, if things go wrong, if things go
• 1:13:45
  wrong, that's OK. Again, I'm sure with you.
• 1:13:49
  I'm sure with everyone else here.
• 1:13:51
  Oh my. Oh, here we go.
• 1:13:54
  I have plenty more seeds here, guys.
• 1:13:56
  Plenty more. Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Somebody died. Is that gonna stop me?
• 1:14:01
  No, of course not. Well, you know, that's.
• 1:14:06
  I love nature too much to give up.
• 1:14:08
  I love myself too much to give up.
• 1:14:11
  It's all part of the experience. It is, it really is, you know,
• 1:14:16
  and it's, you know, like any farmer will tell you this when
• 1:14:22
  you're, when you plant your crops, you plant more than what
• 1:14:27
  you expect to come to, to fruit because the animals are going to
• 1:14:33
  get to them. Disease is going to, things are
• 1:14:36
  going to happen to your crops that are going to bolt them.
• 1:14:39
  You know what I mean? They're things are not, they're
• 1:14:41
  not going to, not everything is going to come to fruit 100%.
• 1:14:45
  And that's just part of being in tune with the land and knowing
• 1:14:48
  that, right. It's, it's part of nature, it's
• 1:14:50
  part of that course of things. You know, it's, it's
• 1:14:53
  understanding and remembering that just because the, this is,
• 1:14:56
  I plant the seed, you know, could have been a bad seed to
• 1:15:00
  begin with, depending on where you go around here.
• 1:15:03
  Like I know we, my father-in-law, a lot of times he
• 1:15:07
  gets his tomato plants from the same nursery in town almost
• 1:15:11
  every year. And depending on the breed or
• 1:15:15
  the, the variety of tomatoes that he gets, he'll have a,
• 1:15:19
  either a successful harvest throughout the summer or a bad
• 1:15:24
  one. And it's funny because the
• 1:15:29
  nursery is always like trying to blame the soil.
• 1:15:32
  Ah, your soil is this. Your soil is not that the, this,
• 1:15:34
  that the nitrogen, the blah, blah, blah.
• 1:15:36
  It's like, OK, I believe you if it weren't for the fact that
• 1:15:39
  these other plants are doing great, that one particular plant
• 1:15:43
  is not, which tells me that you got a bad plant.
• 1:15:46
  That's not the soil's fault. You know, the care and, and all
• 1:15:51
  of that is the same regardless. So if one plant's doing good in
• 1:15:55
  the soil and the other plant's not, it's probably not the soil,
• 1:15:58
  it's probably the plant that's diseased or sick or something
• 1:16:01
  and they won't take and that's. Part of that's part of the
• 1:16:05
  process it's part of. Doing what you're doing is
• 1:16:08
  sometimes. Part of the journey.
• 1:16:10
  You're not going to get 100% of a yield, Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  No, and again, go back to nature and this podcast.
• 1:16:19
  We, many of us have an emotional connection with the plants that
• 1:16:31
  are doing great. Again, guys, I just shared with
• 1:16:35
  you the progress of my plants two nights ago.
• 1:16:39
  Most of them are doing fantastic tonight.
• 1:16:43
  I'll be honest with you. Be transparent.
• 1:16:45
  As a host, as guests, I'm sad that some of these guys aren't
• 1:16:52
  doing too well. Again, I go back to what I said
• 1:16:56
  previously. Will that stop me?
• 1:16:58
  No. But these plants?
• 1:17:02
  Don't mind me. These plants that don't do well
• 1:17:06
  will find a respectful burial if you will.
• 1:17:11
  They'll come back to the place I bought them.
• 1:17:14
  Not Home Depot, not Walmart, but in my backyard or somewhere else
• 1:17:19
  special to me. I'll thank them.
• 1:17:22
  I'll get them. Thanks.
• 1:17:23
  Like, thank you for trying. I'm sorry I wasn't really
• 1:17:28
  mindful of what you're going through.
• 1:17:31
  And that alone can be shared in experience with relationships
• 1:17:38
  with people, being family, friends, significant others.
• 1:17:44
  We are ourselves, our seas. Going back to birth, something I
• 1:17:48
  really find poetic and beautiful is us being born.
• 1:17:54
  We're surrounded in darkness and the light was brought to us.
• 1:18:00
  We grow, we learn, we progress, and we may digress again.
• 1:18:08
  It's all part of the experience. There's no shame in our game, if
• 1:18:14
  you will, but it's just being us and nothing more, nothing less.
• 1:18:23
  Yeah. You know, I think of the I think
• 1:18:25
  of the runes too with this, because you talk about being
• 1:18:29
  that being, being that seed ourselves, you know, a seed that
• 1:18:33
  was planted, you know, by our fathers in into the womb of our
• 1:18:39
  mothers. And then that seed was nurtured
• 1:18:42
  and enveloped in darkness for a time, but nurtured in that
• 1:18:45
  darkness. And then so you when you look at
• 1:18:48
  the Runit pattern of the Runit formulas, you know, Berkana,
• 1:18:53
  Berkana, whatever the Birch, right?
• 1:18:55
  That's that's typically a rune that gets associated with.
• 1:19:01
  Childbirth. Yeah, the birthing, right?
• 1:19:03
  The being in gestation waiting to grow, right, Being nurtured
• 1:19:08
  in during that growth. And then the very next rune that
• 1:19:11
  comes thereafter. Tea was there, Kana, It was
• 1:19:16
  Romanas and then a was so like there's there's this self that
• 1:19:19
  goes into a team set, like the the the teamwork aspect of
• 1:19:26
  things that goes into Lagos, which is the flow of things.
• 1:19:29
  So it's, it's, it's birth in that isolation into themself
• 1:19:35
  that the, you know, kind of growing from that seed into
• 1:19:38
  that, that, that sprout, if you will, and then growing with the
• 1:19:43
  shared goals of others, whether it's your parents or siblings,
• 1:19:47
  your community, right, your village, whatever your people.
• 1:19:50
  And then the flow of things is as it goes, it, it comes, it
• 1:19:53
  goes, it ebbs, it flows. It's Lagos is that that flow of
• 1:19:58
  not, not not fighting the current, but knowing when rushes
• 1:20:03
  and when it slows down and when it kind of calms and then when
• 1:20:06
  it speeds up again and the variations.
• 1:20:10
  Of the flow. And sometimes we have to again
• 1:20:15
  like Lagos, stop fighting the current.
• 1:20:20
  Sometimes proper to just go with the flow, observe, apply, but be
• 1:20:28
  my fault. You're just going to wear
• 1:20:30
  yourself out trying to fight the current, you know?
• 1:20:33
  It's like me trying to come up to a storefront, be it a tide or
• 1:20:40
  a thunderstorm, try my best to fight it, but it's futile.
• 1:20:45
  It's pointless because this storm has its own energy, its
• 1:20:50
  own life force. It's OK.
• 1:20:56
  It's not fundamental to not fight the storm, but admire,
• 1:21:04
  love, potentially, but more importantly, understand.
• 1:21:09
  Again, it's life force, but also the lessons that it gives us.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah, the seasons, there are many, many times it's like
• 1:21:18
  there's no, no hope insight. We go back to winter.
• 1:21:24
  It's so harsh, so cold, so formidable, but all the same, we
• 1:21:29
  gather on our holy ties, be it Christian, Catholic, Pagan,
• 1:21:35
  heathen, what have you. We all gather during the winter.
• 1:21:39
  We all gather during the winter. Why?
• 1:21:43
  Because we tend to the flames being subconsciously or
• 1:21:47
  cautiously. We tend to the flames of our
• 1:21:49
  people, our loved ones, just like nature.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, man, for sure. I feel like there's really a
• 1:22:01
  strong there. There are strong psychological
• 1:22:06
  effects that come with remembering that we are nature,
• 1:22:11
  that we're not just a part of it that you know, you know, look at
• 1:22:16
  look at how much when we are connected, when we when we are
• 1:22:21
  remembering this, look at how much our anxiety and mental
• 1:22:25
  fatigue reduces. You know, look at how our
• 1:22:29
  nervous system sent tends to sort of calm down in natural
• 1:22:33
  environments, whether it's sitting by a river, walking in
• 1:22:36
  the woods, on the beach, in a field, right?
• 1:22:41
  Any of these natural landscapes in in a way like at least for
• 1:22:46
  me, I don't know how it's been for you, but like for me so many
• 1:22:49
  times when I'm in those places and I'm remembering again.
• 1:22:55
  I, I I. See all this vastness around me,
• 1:23:00
  I see these great big trees or these rocks in these hills in
• 1:23:04
  the river and, you know, all these things.
• 1:23:08
  And I go look at me. I'm, I'm, I'm this speck in this
• 1:23:17
  whole entire thing, you know, and it makes me feel small, but
• 1:23:21
  in a healthy way, you know, the humility and the perspective of
• 1:23:24
  realizing that I'm not just a part, I'm not a part of this.
• 1:23:27
  I am this everything about everything that I'm seeing is me
• 1:23:33
  Incarnate, you know, and I'm sharing in that existence and in
• 1:23:36
  that reality with everything else that is exactly that as
• 1:23:41
  well. So there's no competition.
• 1:23:43
  There's no like I'm trying to be better than anybody.
• 1:23:46
  I'm not trying to be noticed more than somebody else.
• 1:23:48
  I don't have this company, you know what I mean?
• 1:23:49
  It's just being. So yeah, that's.
• 1:23:54
  Was my feeling of it. I was just.
• 1:23:56
  See how you. No, yeah, I mean being humbled
• 1:23:59
  again. Nature has no problem with
• 1:24:05
  humbling us. It will do so again and again
• 1:24:09
  and again, perhaps until we learn it or we keep ignoring it.
• 1:24:17
  But again, you know, like we mentioned before, when I when
• 1:24:22
  I'm out of nature, I'm at home, but I'm also in the great, the
• 1:24:29
  greatest of company, a great teacher, a best friend, a harsh
• 1:24:39
  father, a loving Mother. Nature to me, at least As for
• 1:24:46
  many of you, plays that role. Now, unlike again, no slam or
• 1:24:54
  disrespect to our friends, our family and kindred, but nature
• 1:25:01
  will never stop playing those roles.
• 1:25:03
  Nature will be there every step of the way.
• 1:25:10
  It never stops because that's why I love so much about nature.
• 1:25:15
  It never stops being until it does.
• 1:25:21
  Well, it's us. It's that those rhythms, right?
• 1:25:23
  the IT, it's, it might stop being the version of itself as
• 1:25:27
  it is in spring when it's time to be summer or when it's time
• 1:25:30
  to be winter, right. So that the cycles and, you
• 1:25:33
  know, the natural flow of things.
• 1:25:35
  And then also the, you know, we've talked so much about
• 1:25:38
  nature as this overarching term, but like, let's get down to
• 1:25:43
  specifics. You talked earlier about plants.
• 1:25:45
  Let's talk now about animals and our animal relatives and, and
• 1:25:48
  how they can be kind of almost like mirrors that we're looking
• 1:25:53
  within, you know what I mean? Like how we as humans kind of
• 1:25:58
  recognize ourselves in our animal relatives through whether
• 1:26:05
  it's through, you know, spirit work, whether it's through
• 1:26:08
  dreams, whether it's through silent observations and sharing
• 1:26:12
  space with them in our travels. You know, the ways that we
• 1:26:18
  observe the animal relatives existing, their patience, their
• 1:26:27
  alertness, their presence at all times.
• 1:26:32
  You know, like I like to think that when we are observing these
• 1:26:38
  things, some of us, maybe not all of us yet, but some of us
• 1:26:41
  are observing these things and we're seeing some of that within
• 1:26:47
  us. It's like again, like looking
• 1:26:49
  into a mirror. What do you think their?
• 1:26:52
  Nature, their nature, becomes our nature.
• 1:26:56
  Again we go. Back we see ourselves in them,
• 1:26:58
  you know what I mean? Like you're in Patrick or I see
• 1:27:01
  the Heron in me or this or, you know, it's those types of things
• 1:27:05
  is what I guess. I'm absolutely, yeah.
• 1:27:09
  Again, again, like nature, I'm very happy to mention this point
• 1:27:14
  to the creatures, excluding with nothing but love cats and dogs,
• 1:27:21
  but the creatures. The wild, Yeah, the wild
• 1:27:25
  relatives, you know. Wow, thank you.
• 1:27:28
  The wild relatives, you know, we had again, Jesse with the hair
• 1:27:33
  need deer again. I've mentioned play times in our
• 1:27:37
  previous podcast, but all the deer, are they my friends?
• 1:27:43
  I'd like to say yes, but ultimately, truly speaking in
• 1:27:49
  scientific terms, no. But in spirit beat up their own
• 1:27:54
  accord or my accord. We are friends, but not in the
• 1:28:00
  conventional sense like me. Right, not like you and I are
• 1:28:03
  friends. Yeah, exactly right.
• 1:28:05
  But. Right.
• 1:28:06
  Again, like I like to believe in no, we present ourselves with
• 1:28:11
  intentions and offering by us just being there and give me
• 1:28:17
  what we can give. Like many times I go hiking or
• 1:28:20
  camping out or what have you. I leave apples, corn, the cob
• 1:28:26
  for my dear like hey, I don't know how this year's harvest is
• 1:28:30
  going for you guys, but I love you.
• 1:28:32
  I appreciate you. So here's my contribution from
• 1:28:35
  me to you. Yeah.
• 1:28:41
  I love that too. I like to do that anytime I go
• 1:28:43
  out to there's that, there's that linguistic things.
• 1:28:47
  You don't go out to nature. It's like whenever I'm, whenever
• 1:28:51
  I'm present in that space, you know, I, I, I tend to always
• 1:28:57
  bring with me just a, a bag of, you know, trail mix, nothing
• 1:29:04
  with like chocolate or extra sugars in it, but just, you
• 1:29:06
  know, nut seeds, fruits. Organically.
• 1:29:08
  Organically, because I know that there's so much of what's out
• 1:29:12
  there that will benefit from this, this gesture, you know,
• 1:29:16
  the birds and the squirrels and the chipmunks and some of the
• 1:29:19
  other critters, you know? Do so don't mind me, but operas
• 1:29:25
  are great but there are mine your environment like we discuss
• 1:29:31
  and previous experiences like oranges for example.
• 1:29:38
  I used to have the idea of living oranges, but it's not
• 1:29:41
  environmentally hospitable to the environment, let alone the
• 1:29:46
  creatures we're upsetting the bounce now again, right.
• 1:29:49
  To anyone who does this. I love that.
• 1:29:51
  I love that I believe that many of you have a good nature of
• 1:29:55
  doing so. But be my fault.
• 1:29:59
  Yeah. Yeah, and I'm glad you brought
• 1:30:04
  that up 'cause that's a, you know, that's, that may be
• 1:30:06
  something that not a lot of people think of that listener
• 1:30:09
  watch this. So what we're talking about is
• 1:30:12
  know the organic materials that you're indulging in on the
• 1:30:16
  trail, while they might be organic and yes, an orange is
• 1:30:21
  organic. It's, you know, but it's not
• 1:30:23
  indigenous to let's say, you know, Middle Tennessee or
• 1:30:27
  Carolina or Missouri. Like they don't, they don't,
• 1:30:29
  they're not indigenous to that area.
• 1:30:31
  So discarding the rind on a trail, you're thinking it's not
• 1:30:36
  harming the land because it's organic.
• 1:30:41
  And yet those orange rinds might be consumed by the local
• 1:30:45
  landscape and it could be toxic to them.
• 1:30:47
  So know your indigenous natively grown plants and things that are
• 1:30:53
  natural and don't litter. Even if you think it's organic
• 1:30:57
  waste, don't litter. Don't put things into the land
• 1:31:00
  that for that land. And that's just a simple effort
• 1:31:05
  of educating yourself, you know. So if you didn't know that or
• 1:31:08
  now you do. And again, like I mentioned
• 1:31:12
  before, I'm very happy and grateful for those of you who
• 1:31:16
  might have made that mistake through all, it's not a mistake,
• 1:31:20
  it's a learning curve. It's the experience that Jess
• 1:31:23
  and I are happy to share with you.
• 1:31:26
  Your intentions are great and once you really gather the
• 1:31:31
  energy and commitment to loving nature to support ourselves, we
• 1:31:37
  grow like the plans we develop. But us being human and also
• 1:31:43
  plans two we develop an evolution, a continued
• 1:31:50
  understanding and mindfulness of what's presented to us, up to us
• 1:31:56
  and charged by us. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:32:05
  There's a couple more things, Patrick, that I'd like to try to
• 1:32:08
  to cover with you, if you're OK. Yeah.
• 1:32:10
  Of course. Absolutely.
• 1:32:11
  Let's go. With time here, 'cause, you
• 1:32:13
  know, so much of what we talk about is, is about the
• 1:32:16
  awareness, the, the, the realization, right, the being
• 1:32:20
  present with and, and then there's the flip side of that
• 1:32:25
  coin that is, I think important to talk about too.
• 1:32:28
  And that is, you know, OK, so you are remembering now you are
• 1:32:32
  aware of the importance that you are nature.
• 1:32:35
  It's not just you're part of something, it's that you are as
• 1:32:38
  much of this as the thing that you think is outside of you is
• 1:32:42
  it's, you know, the more animistic you become, the these,
• 1:32:46
  these things, these lessons, these these teachings that come
• 1:32:48
  to you interweave tightly with the natural world.
• 1:32:54
  And then then on the flip side of that, right?
• 1:32:56
  So we see the benefit of remembering.
• 1:32:58
  And then in the same time, we have this other side of the
• 1:33:02
  coin, right? The cost of forgetting, you
• 1:33:06
  know, the environmental tolls that it takes when separation
• 1:33:13
  becomes a symptom. You know, it's like you're, you
• 1:33:18
  see all this, all these, you know, apart complexes and, and
• 1:33:24
  corporate tycoons buying hundreds of acres of land just
• 1:33:29
  to destroy it and put up, you know, gas stations or data
• 1:33:32
  centers or this or that and treating land.
• 1:33:35
  Or Dollar General, just saying yeah.
• 1:33:37
  God damn Dollar General, right? Treating land purely as a
• 1:33:41
  resource instead of your home, you know, like this is our home,
• 1:33:51
  guys and gals like this is and we're just on borrowed time.
• 1:33:55
  This is this is something that we were brought here to be a
• 1:33:58
  custodian of and we're kind of sucking at being custodians by
• 1:34:02
  and large, you know, and look what happens as a result, you
• 1:34:07
  know, loneliness and alienations in modern societies.
• 1:34:11
  People don't feel a part of anything are connected.
• 1:34:14
  Well, I wonder why your natural resources have become
• 1:34:19
  extinguished because in favor of another convenience store or
• 1:34:24
  whatever, you know? So yeah, like do you think, like
• 1:34:33
  do you think, do you, do you see in these environmental crises as
• 1:34:37
  more of a spiritual crisis? Like, yeah, sure, it's
• 1:34:39
  environmentally impactful, but also that it's a something
• 1:34:47
  something deeper that's gnawing at those roots.
• 1:34:52
  Absolutely. It's very much spiritual because
• 1:34:55
  I believe in my opinion again, we're spiritually adherent in
• 1:35:00
  our nature as human beings. We have the ability again,
• 1:35:08
  consciously to really admire, Revere and cherish was given to
• 1:35:13
  us. I'm sure the plants, the animals
• 1:35:17
  do in their own special way, but absolutely.
• 1:35:20
  But it goes deeper to that, more deeper than that.
• 1:35:24
  It's more the surface level. Again, we have the plants, we
• 1:35:29
  have the soil, and we go back to the seed That seed it, our own
• 1:35:36
  intentions, our own special life that we've been given.
• 1:35:43
  These go awry. There's no surprise.
• 1:35:48
  We just have to be mindful of the circumstances, the seasons,
• 1:35:54
  the reasons to why things are occurring the way they are.
• 1:35:59
  There's a reason behind everything beyond season a
• 1:36:04
  storm. Any time or period in our lives.
• 1:36:09
  They have something to offer, much more than we care to know.
• 1:36:13
  But when we take the time to appreciate and are seeing these
• 1:36:17
  things, our lives, not only our lives, but our environment, our
• 1:36:22
  family, our friends, our plans, our landscape, we could benefit
• 1:36:28
  so much. We're paying mine to this.
• 1:36:30
  But again, this is a lifelong pursuit.
• 1:36:35
  Oh yeah. Again, a proper analogy, if I
• 1:36:39
  can give one, is karate. You know, when started karate,
• 1:36:44
  you want to be a black belt like Bruce Lee, like kick everybody's
• 1:36:47
  out out, out his ass. Or like, you know, Chuck Dorr's
• 1:36:50
  like no, no, no. It's not about being kidnapped
• 1:36:53
  and taking names. It's the path that it takes to
• 1:36:56
  get that far. And eventually violence is not
• 1:36:59
  needed. And with our lives, confusion is
• 1:37:04
  not needed. It's just having that
• 1:37:05
  mindfulness, the attention and the sacrifice that it takes to
• 1:37:10
  get there. Yeah, it makes me makes me
• 1:37:17
  think, you know, like if more people truly believe that we,
• 1:37:23
  our nature, you know, this is our home, this is what we come
• 1:37:28
  from. This is we share the same, much
• 1:37:31
  of the same biochemistry, you know, all of those things.
• 1:37:36
  It's it's science supports it all.
• 1:37:39
  If more people believe that, I think there would be some really
• 1:37:44
  significant changes happening in the world if the right people,
• 1:37:50
  if more of the right people, because there's, there's plenty
• 1:37:52
  of people out here, you know, like, I don't mean to sound all
• 1:37:55
  doom and gloom because I. Don't hear about it.
• 1:37:58
  There are plenty of people out here that do have a conscious
• 1:38:02
  belief of their active role on this earth and, and with our
• 1:38:08
  Earth Mother and in nature in general is, you know, there's
• 1:38:13
  plenty of people out here that truly believe that, you know.
• 1:38:18
  It's not so much as a calling out for support, but I don't
• 1:38:24
  want to ask but say that those bus who again love nature, our
• 1:38:31
  ancestors, spirits of land, our. Creatures.
• 1:38:41
  It's our duty, like we've been mentioning before time to time,
• 1:38:44
  we had tonight go back to previous years.
• 1:38:48
  It's the current day and age to those of us who feel connected
• 1:38:53
  and are connected with nature and ourselves.
• 1:38:59
  It's our duty to hold the flame within ourselves and outside
• 1:39:08
  ourselves. It's sacred.
• 1:39:12
  What a sacred. But also, no, we're not just
• 1:39:16
  part of nature, we are nature. There's so many ways.
• 1:39:21
  Yeah. So like what would you, what
• 1:39:23
  would you like to say? Like as far as with, you know,
• 1:39:26
  people that are listening, I'm sure again, knowing the audience
• 1:39:29
  that this reaches, it's going to be resounding yeses.
• 1:39:33
  Yeah. I mean, and then maybe even some
• 1:39:36
  comments from people on, on Waze, you know, actionable
• 1:39:40
  items. What can you do that practices
• 1:39:45
  ways of, of connecting with nature in this way and then
• 1:39:49
  remembering all of these things. So like Patrick, if you had to
• 1:39:52
  like just think of some actionable, simple, achievable
• 1:39:57
  things, what would be some things that you can think of for
• 1:40:00
  for listeners to to start doing in their attempt to reconnect?
• 1:40:07
  Remember. About their place in nature.
• 1:40:13
  My advice and suggestions is simple and starting off with
• 1:40:20
  grounding. Tick off your shoes, tick off
• 1:40:25
  your socks, put your feet upon the earth.
• 1:40:33
  And then again, we mentioned before on 1st podcast, many
• 1:40:38
  people who live in suburbia or what have you say I can't go
• 1:40:43
  anywhere to hike. All right, that's OK, that's
• 1:40:47
  fine. Putting your feet upon the grass
• 1:40:51
  is a great idea, a great measure to start off with.
• 1:40:54
  Now with that said, it's both of you who don't have people or
• 1:40:58
  places to go see and hike made the journey.
• 1:41:02
  When you make that journey to go hiking, be it an hour or two
• 1:41:06
  hours away, that makes it all the more meaningful and special.
• 1:41:11
  Because when you take that consideration, oh man, it's
• 1:41:15
  going to take me 3 hours to get to this place.
• 1:41:18
  Hell yeah, Hell yeah. Because when you do, I'll tell
• 1:41:22
  you what. When you get there.
• 1:41:24
  Badass. When you get done, even more
• 1:41:27
  badass. You made the effort and you did
• 1:41:30
  the work. You got there.
• 1:41:32
  You're honoring the place. You choose the better eight and
• 1:41:36
  praise nature. So aside from that, though, just
• 1:41:40
  be my fault. And also a much needed
• 1:41:44
  suggestion is planting now again this year I've been starting off
• 1:41:50
  with planted for seeds. Very tumultuous, very
• 1:41:54
  challenging move out of doubt. But also, you know, you're
• 1:41:58
  probably better off getting a plant that's like pre grown if
• 1:42:02
  you will, you know, not fully grow, but just you know, get it,
• 1:42:07
  plant it, nurture it because much like ourselves, we have to
• 1:42:12
  tend to it. Not every now and again, every
• 1:42:15
  day, every day the effort counts.
• 1:42:19
  Again with my seas, even a simple way for like 3 hours I'm
• 1:42:24
  like, oh man, I should have changed the lights setting.
• 1:42:26
  Oh no. No, no.
• 1:42:27
  No, this is. It's all part of the journey.
• 1:42:31
  Commit yourself. You will fail.
• 1:42:33
  I promise you, you will fail, but also I guarantee you'll
• 1:42:38
  succeed if you're made set fast. So that's my advice.
• 1:42:46
  Oh yeah, brother, you remind me of like those.
• 1:42:50
  There's a term that gets referred to parents when they
• 1:42:53
  when they're when they're when they're new parents, right.
• 1:42:55
  So they have a child, they've never had a child before.
• 1:42:58
  And they're always hovering over the kid making sure they don't
• 1:43:03
  fall, they don't eat something, they don't touch something, they
• 1:43:05
  don't cry, they don't do this. They call them helicopter
• 1:43:08
  parents, helicopter mom, you know what I mean?
• 1:43:13
  They're always like hovering around or whatever.
• 1:43:15
  Yeah. So like when you, when you, when
• 1:43:18
  you get into something like, yeah, a new venture, like sure,
• 1:43:20
  you don't want to, you want to make sure that you're doing it
• 1:43:22
  right, you know, and, and sometimes that the doing the
• 1:43:26
  doing right. Means.
• 1:43:30
  Letting it do its thing, letting it, letting it grow as it's
• 1:43:33
  supposed to go and then giving it the attention that it needs
• 1:43:35
  when it needs it, but not over saturating it, not not giving it
• 1:43:38
  too much attention, not right. So there's that balance.
• 1:43:41
  There's that. And that's part of the journey
• 1:43:43
  too. It's it's recognizing and
• 1:43:44
  knowing when to apply pressure and when to ease up.
• 1:43:48
  Release. Yeah, release.
• 1:43:51
  And I like what you said, you know, with the grounding, of
• 1:43:56
  course, 'cause that can be done anywhere, you know, you don't
• 1:43:58
  need a big place. Just simple as a backyard
• 1:44:02
  ground. Yeah, just a piece of Earth A.
• 1:44:05
  Fucking, you know, nature reserve or State Park, you know,
• 1:44:08
  keep it simple, keep it simple. Don't compare my journey to
• 1:44:12
  yours. You know, like I had the luxury,
• 1:44:16
  a luxury to go traveling out to my sacred places.
• 1:44:19
  Again, it takes time not to cut you off, but like, again, oddly,
• 1:44:24
  I'd like all my favorite places within 5 minutes.
• 1:44:28
  That's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.
• 1:44:31
  You know, we're gonna have my other place, River Run Park,
• 1:44:35
  where I see my deer. That's like 7 minutes away.
• 1:44:38
  But all the all the same though. Yeah.
• 1:44:42
  It feels so inclined. Mate's journey again, like I
• 1:44:45
  mentioned, when you plan to go visit this special place that
• 1:44:50
  you wanna go visit, when you make it happen, it's gonna be
• 1:44:55
  great. It's gonna be a wild ride.
• 1:44:57
  Must be wonderful. It always is, man.
• 1:45:03
  And I think of in between those times when a person might want
• 1:45:08
  to plan in advance to go any long distance to whatever it is
• 1:45:14
  2 hours, 3 hours away, whatever, right?
• 1:45:16
  They may have to plan a weekend type of thing for that or a day
• 1:45:19
  trip. But in addition to that, right,
• 1:45:23
  or in between those, those big event planning type situations,
• 1:45:29
  you still have time to like you say before, right, just simply
• 1:45:35
  grounding or just observing animals, right?
• 1:45:40
  My, my, my wife has a bird feeder right outside the porch
• 1:45:46
  with a suet cake that we, you know, she's, she's feeding the
• 1:45:49
  birds now, right? So like that's a that's a way of
• 1:45:53
  honoring the land and tending to our relatives.
• 1:45:57
  And then we get to see them, we get to observe them in their
• 1:45:59
  feeding state. We get to see different species
• 1:46:02
  and we get to see that. So that's a moment where we're
• 1:46:06
  observing the animals in their behavior.
• 1:46:08
  Spending quiet time outdoors, whether it's on your back porch,
• 1:46:14
  fresh air, sun on your skin. This is nature to the fresh air,
• 1:46:20
  the life giving light from from the sun, right?
• 1:46:24
  This is part of nature as well. It's it's our life being, you
• 1:46:33
  know, you talked early about right being showing gratitude
• 1:46:36
  and humility. When I, when I go down to the
• 1:46:41
  Greenway where it doesn't matter if I'm going for a long walk or
• 1:46:43
  if I'm just walking to the river edge just to meditate a bit, You
• 1:46:46
  know, I see trash, I pick it up. This is this is another very
• 1:46:50
  simple and impactful way to show gratitude to the land and the
• 1:46:57
  ecosystem because that trash doesn't belong there and it's
• 1:47:00
  hurting our relatives and us while it's being there.
• 1:47:04
  So to be a good custodian and to realize that may not be my
• 1:47:08
  trash, but I can be the one to pick it up right?
• 1:47:12
  So little. Things like that it.
• 1:47:13
  Really does. Yeah.
• 1:47:15
  Like don't mind me, but I'll I carry a backpack to carry water,
• 1:47:19
  food, snacks, what have you. Most importantly my water
• 1:47:24
  bottles. I would feel horrible simply
• 1:47:30
  just throwing a bottle of water away.
• 1:47:34
  Oh yeah. That's not needed.
• 1:47:37
  Plastic. Yeah, it's don't do it.
• 1:47:42
  There's been too many times I go to hike or walk.
• 1:47:46
  I see bottles of water. I'm like, well, close to mine
• 1:47:49
  again briefly here, but the reason I want to see these
• 1:47:53
  bottles of water, they're empty. I'm thinking like there's
• 1:47:57
  probably a trash can not far from the exit, right?
• 1:48:02
  Or you can prepare for water. Hell yeah, hydrate, do your
• 1:48:08
  thing. But around nature, it seems
• 1:48:14
  beyond counterintuitive to throw away litter.
• 1:48:18
  Again, snacks I. Don't get it here man.
• 1:48:21
  Rappers, lonely, you can stuff. In the back of your.
• 1:48:25
  Pocket put them in your damn pocket.
• 1:48:26
  You know what I mean like there's no excuse.
• 1:48:29
  It's just laziness and it's and it's disregard.
• 1:48:33
  You know what I mean? And you know that's thankfully I
• 1:48:35
  know that's not the audience that I.
• 1:48:37
  Tend to read. There might be new people that
• 1:48:40
  catch this, that, that hear this one and they go, Oh yeah, you
• 1:48:43
  know, I, you know, maybe I was a little LAX, you know, a little
• 1:48:48
  of things. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:50
  That gum wrapper, that, that granola bar wrapper, whatever.
• 1:48:53
  You better not throw that on the trail.
• 1:48:55
  You better stuff that in your pocket and.
• 1:48:57
  Dispose of it properly before you know it.
• 1:48:59
  Yeah, you're throw away more than you should.
• 1:49:02
  Right. If you think that that's if you
• 1:49:05
  think that that's an acceptable way, then then you might as well
• 1:49:08
  just take a piss in your own living room.
• 1:49:10
  Just stop. You might as well, if you're
• 1:49:12
  going to do, if you're going to, if you're going to do that, then
• 1:49:14
  you might as well go all out. You know what I mean?
• 1:49:17
  Shit in your bed too. Like you know what I mean?
• 1:49:20
  Like it's just that type of thing to me where I'm like, if
• 1:49:22
  you're going to trash your home outside of your home, give it
• 1:49:28
  enough time and you will trash your home on the inside too.
• 1:49:31
  Because that's just your mentality.
• 1:49:32
  You don't care about your living space.
• 1:49:34
  You don't care about your living quarters to the point of wanting
• 1:49:37
  to keep it clean. It's love nature.
• 1:49:42
  No, yeah, it's true to love nature, but really, truly love
• 1:49:46
  nature. And we dump on the trail or the
• 1:49:51
  park so all it takes is 1 gum rapper.
• 1:49:56
  I'm sitting on my soapbox. I'm gonna shut up here, but
• 1:49:58
  yeah, so. Yeah, talk.
• 1:50:01
  Don't talk about it. Be about it.
• 1:50:03
  There's. Some ways these are some ways
• 1:50:06
  for folks that if they're new to the new to hearing this or what
• 1:50:09
  are thinking about it. You know, Patrick's talking
• 1:50:13
  about right, keeping the flame alive and doing these things and
• 1:50:15
  that that may seem a bit vague and in that, but them specific
• 1:50:19
  ways of doing it doesn't have to be this great illustrious thing.
• 1:50:23
  The simple things, right, practicing gratitude and, and
• 1:50:29
  appreciation and, and of, of the land and our ecosystem and
• 1:50:32
  taking time for yourself to be there.
• 1:50:37
  Just sit out and let the sun hit your face.
• 1:50:40
  You know, just close your eyes, breathe the fresh air and let
• 1:50:44
  the sun touch your face or the rain even Hell, go out and stand
• 1:50:50
  if it's safe, if it's safe, right?
• 1:50:52
  You know, don't stand in the middle of a field and you're the
• 1:50:54
  tallest thing around in the middle of a thunderstorm or a
• 1:50:57
  tornado. But if there's a storm coming
• 1:50:59
  through, stand out in that storm, weather that storm,
• 1:51:05
  weather that raw energy if it's safe.
• 1:51:09
  Again, not telling you to pull a Jackass move and try to.
• 1:51:13
  Catch that? But.
• 1:51:18
  Point being, right, those raw parts of nature, the parts that
• 1:51:21
  are challenging, the parts that are brutal, right, like go out
• 1:51:25
  and weather a storm kind of thing.
• 1:51:27
  These are ways, ideas, practices that that you can absorb, adopt
• 1:51:34
  and leverage. You know, and I think too,
• 1:51:41
  Patrick, you know, like we talked about reconnecting and
• 1:51:44
  finding our place again, remembering our place within
• 1:51:47
  nature and that we're part of it.
• 1:51:48
  It's. It doesn't always require.
• 1:51:51
  The far reaches of a. Wilderness, landscape.
• 1:51:53
  It can be in everyday places, can it?
• 1:51:57
  Everyday places your backyard again at those grass, lay your
• 1:52:06
  feet on it. With your sun, get that vitamin.
• 1:52:10
  D That's it. Just lay back, relax and
• 1:52:15
  appreciate nature and yourself. Great stuff, man.
• 1:52:22
  We're going to wrap it up now because I know we've been going
• 1:52:24
  for almost 2 hours now, so really.
• 1:52:27
  Wow. Yeah, we're almost at, we're
• 1:52:29
  almost at 2 hours. So as we like to do, I, I always
• 1:52:34
  have like rapid fire questions at the end of the show.
• 1:52:37
  You know, I've, I've thrown them your way and we're going to do
• 1:52:42
  that too, but I don't know. Did you have anything that you
• 1:52:46
  wanted to include as as you're kind of end of the show?
• 1:52:52
  Yeah, I do. I'm very.
• 1:52:53
  Very Jesse, thanks for mentioning that to all you
• 1:53:00
  subscribers and viewers with the reason why I share with you.
• 1:53:06
  I'm not myself tonight. I have been for the long sign
• 1:53:11
  certain things with my family and my practice have happened.
• 1:53:16
  But thank you for watching our content.
• 1:53:22
  I'm more than ours via Co host with make our musings.
• 1:53:26
  Meeting Jesse again like going on a hike, a special hike.
• 1:53:33
  I've made journey to visit him in Murfreesboro, TN.
• 1:53:39
  I come from St. Louis, MO.
• 1:53:41
  Again, that's 5 1/2 hours on a good day.
• 1:53:45
  But I did the work, I made the sacrifices just as well as we
• 1:53:49
  can do with nature. Not only nature but our friends
• 1:53:53
  and our family. So again, tonight has not been
• 1:53:58
  my best podcast, but being myself and I can only ask of you
• 1:54:04
  guys to be just the same. We have good days, we have bad
• 1:54:08
  days. Just like the seasons.
• 1:54:11
  Spring, summer, fall, winter. We grow, we die, we flourish,
• 1:54:19
  and we learn. So thank you again, Jesse, for
• 1:54:23
  having me here. And you, my viewers are
• 1:54:26
  supporting and loving my brother.
• 1:54:29
  Your your contributions are fundamental, so I thank you.
• 1:54:35
  Thanks, Patrick. And let me just let me just
• 1:54:40
  reassure you, you know, you were great tonight.
• 1:54:45
  However you're feeling. It's brave of you to say that.
• 1:54:48
  And but I just want to let you know it had no negative impact
• 1:54:54
  on the show tonight. It's been great chatting with
• 1:54:56
  you and picking your brain and hearing your thoughts and
• 1:55:00
  getting to have a conversation with you the last couple of
• 1:55:02
  hours. And you know, just to add to
• 1:55:05
  that too, you know, last week's episode was about me observing
• 1:55:10
  this apparent gap in Heathenry now, this lack of discipline,
• 1:55:14
  right? Discipline's not about ease.
• 1:55:17
  It's about doing the work, even when you don't feel like it.
• 1:55:21
  And you maybe you didn't feel like it 100% tonight, or maybe
• 1:55:25
  you weren't feeling 100% tonight, but you still showed up
• 1:55:28
  and you still Co hosted a great show.
• 1:55:32
  So don't be too hard on yourself because this has been great.
• 1:55:36
  I've I, I enjoy talking with you.
• 1:55:37
  I enjoy having you here. I know the people do as well.
• 1:55:40
  Enjoy having you on the shows to to see your face and to hear
• 1:55:44
  your thoughts and your heart speak.
• 1:55:46
  So all around manager, good stuff.
• 1:55:50
  Thank you SO. Far away.
• 1:55:54
  Freeze. No, you said.
• 1:56:00
  Fire away now, I think so we we talked about earlier, right,
• 1:56:08
  humans as being animals. It's we are mammals.
• 1:56:11
  Clearly we we are in the animal Kingdom of of mammals.
• 1:56:15
  But what do you what if you were to obviously we categorize
• 1:56:19
  humans as animals, right? So what animal trait do you
• 1:56:24
  think humans have forgotten the most?
• 1:56:35
  Being present. Being present again, like I
• 1:56:39
  mentioned, the day-to-day grind, we live our routines.
• 1:56:45
  Sometimes with the forget the routines get weird, challenge
• 1:56:51
  ourselves again with the addictions or unnecessary
• 1:56:56
  routines like social media scrolling, what have you, you
• 1:56:59
  know? Yeah, that's that.
• 1:57:05
  It's a good one. Be present.
• 1:57:06
  Be more present. Because these creatures have no
• 1:57:10
  choice but to be present. They have no choice at all.
• 1:57:12
  They really don't. Yeah, it's a good one.
• 1:57:19
  Are you more in favor of solo hikes or or group hikes?
• 1:57:25
  That's a great question. I share with you personally, of
• 1:57:29
  course, but I'll share with you viewers.
• 1:57:32
  So I'm very partial to solo hiking because that's where the
• 1:57:37
  best work in my opinion is done. Again, not escaping things, but
• 1:57:43
  I've been doing a challenge with my county called Cat and Paper
• 1:57:47
  Challenge. So the first hike by myself, the
• 1:57:50
  second one, Long story short, within reason of course, I chose
• 1:57:56
  to go so hiking. But then I came at a juncture or
• 1:58:01
  junction at the hike, and I saw two guys follow me.
• 1:58:05
  I'm like, hey, do we go this way or that way?
• 1:58:08
  Like go this way? I'm like, all right, cool.
• 1:58:11
  I went that way. And then they caught up with me
• 1:58:15
  like, oh, Patrick. Oh God, we.
• 1:58:18
  Got you at the wrong direction. Go that way.
• 1:58:20
  Not this way. I'm like, oh, shoot, can we
• 1:58:22
  still complete the challenge now?
• 1:58:24
  I'm like, yeah, of course, but. But again, these guys are my
• 1:58:28
  dad's age and they're 60s or 50s.
• 1:58:30
  But they asked me, they didn't tell me if they asked me like
• 1:58:35
  Patrick, can we join you and the rest of your hike?
• 1:58:39
  Because not only they've been straight quote, UN quote,
• 1:58:43
  basically the hike backwards, but the fact that they took it
• 1:58:47
  on their own initiative to help me during that hike.
• 1:58:51
  Again, when they when we separated on that hike, you
• 1:58:54
  know, I was like 20 minutes ahead of them.
• 1:58:58
  I was feeling kind of like I'm like going the right way.
• 1:59:01
  Am I lost? Am I lost?
• 1:59:02
  Am I lost? Like, but they came, they helped
• 1:59:06
  me, they guided me. So it's a mixed bag.
• 1:59:10
  But more often that I like solo hiking, but having company is
• 1:59:14
  very, very beautiful and badass, especially if they get lost.
• 1:59:18
  Like having someone else there to share that play with you and
• 1:59:21
  also be like, you know, devil's advocate, but like, oh, well, we
• 1:59:28
  could be more lost when, you know, or you know what?
• 1:59:31
  We got this. We got this.
• 1:59:32
  So yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:35
  I feel the same in a way. Like I've, I've done enough of
• 1:59:38
  my own solo walks that I enjoy the solitude.
• 1:59:41
  I enjoy just getting the chance to sit with everything that's
• 1:59:45
  going on around me and being present with it.
• 1:59:49
  And then on those hikes too, I've, I've needed that extra
• 1:59:54
  companionship, you know what I mean?
• 1:59:55
  That motivation, that support, you know?
• 1:59:59
  Not just text, but actually a physical human being there.
• 2:00:02
  Like that's all the. Difference.
• 2:00:04
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, dude.
• 2:00:06
  I mean, if hell, if it weren't for some cases where I didn't
• 2:00:09
  have a companion, like I would have been like, I'd have been up
• 2:00:14
  shits Creek for probably, you know?
• 2:00:17
  Like you so. Alright, what's So here's here's
• 2:00:23
  the last one. If if you could give me one word
• 2:00:25
  that describes humanity's current relationship with nature
• 2:00:31
  right now, What's a word that comes to mind?
• 2:00:34
  Confusion. Confusion because we have our
• 2:00:45
  own inherent ideas of nature. Again, no slam, no disrespect to
• 2:00:50
  anyone who thinks a certain way. That's OK.
• 2:00:53
  The way you think. If if you feel so inclined and
• 2:00:58
  start to appreciate nature more than that.
• 2:01:01
  Yeah. Confusion.
• 2:01:03
  You know, like, again, we see nature suffer from ourselves.
• 2:01:07
  It's not, not at all. I appreciate your your thoughts.
• 2:01:15
  It's obviously not the type of thing one would want to hear.
• 2:01:19
  You know, that our fellow humans are confused about our existence
• 2:01:24
  or our relationship with nature. But maybe this was a maybe this
• 2:01:27
  was a much needed confrontation, that truth.
• 2:01:33
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:01:35
  To sit with ourselves, right? To give ourselves that presence
• 2:01:37
  and go, why? Why is that the first thing that
• 2:01:40
  comes to mind? How can we clarify things?
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  How can we make it simpler? Will we go back to simplicity?
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  You know, we don't, we don't cover complicate things.
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  We just as purely and as simply as things are then they are.
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  And you have to explain it too much.
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  It's probably complicating things and making it more
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  confusing. So, yeah.
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  Well, brother, this has been great.
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  I appreciate your time again, even though you were feeling how
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  you're feeling, rest assured I had a great time with you felt
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  real. It felt grounded.
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  I appreciate the idea that you had to come back on and and talk
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  about this. So I'm looking forward to the
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  next one whenever that'll be back on here.
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  And because you do, you bring some great, great things to the
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  table, so. Much more to come, I assure you
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  and your viewers, our viewers, much more to come.
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  Absolutely. And yes, please everybody to
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  since you've made it this far, please check out the show notes
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  So for for my scald tier and above.
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  something that I am currently working on that I'm not going to
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  announce the details of right now because it's the end of the
• 2:03:45
  show, but you've made it this far.
• 2:03:47
  You should know I have something that I am working on in the
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  background, a workshop of of sorts that I will hopefully be
• 2:03:57
  announcing details about within the next within the next week or
• 2:04:01
  so. So I know folks on the podcast
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  platforms don't maybe follow social media, and I'm really not
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  on there that much, but check on my Patreon because that's where
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  I'm going to be posting these updates to sopatreon.com/midgard
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  musings about a course in a workshop of sorts that came to
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  me as an idea. So I'm going to be working on
• 2:04:27
  that. But yeah, more to come with all
• 2:04:29
  that. But in the meantime, check out
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  everything that's about Patrick's group on Facebook, the
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  ways that you can find to support mid guard musings do
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  that. And yeah, so Patrick, don't go
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  anywhere. We'll wrap a little bit after I
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  send everybody off. But any, any final words that
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  you wanted to say before I let you go, Patrick, or before we
• 2:04:50
  let these fine folks on with their day?
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  I'm. Just going to say what I always
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  say that's just you, my brother and your viewers but my friends,
• 2:05:00
  family stay frosty. With that being said, stay
• 2:05:05
  frosty basically means be my fault, shine on.
• 2:05:11
  Pretty self-explanatory. Be yourself and stay tuned for
• 2:05:16
  us to come. Thanks for being here.
• 2:05:21
  Well said brother and thank you all for being here as well.
• 2:05:24
  So until we all talk to each other again, thanks for being
• 2:05:27
  here this week, for watching this or listening to this two
• 2:05:30
  hour long episode. Until we talk to each other
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  again, may the gods continue to notice you and may your
• 2:05:37
  ancestors smile upon you. See you in the next one.
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  None.