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Diogenes Club | E13 - Rights, What Are They Good For? · Diogenes Club

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it's being slow hey what's going on y'all welcome to sick of
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this shit publications
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i'm nick paro not your dad joined by my good friends dr eric
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lulove medical editor
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at blue amp media eric how's it going brother i am
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fan-fucking-tastic how are you
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i'm doing well i am feeling so empowered today good i just know
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that they're gonna
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SPEAKER_00: take my vote away next week so probably
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll get into that.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about it.
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SPEAKER_00: What are they good for?
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SPEAKER_00: Listen, I worked all night on that line.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't, don't, don't.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it just took the wind out of me.
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I was,
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I was excited about hearing about empowerment and then it went
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away.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you were like, oh, fuck this.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We're joined by our good friend, Walter Ryan, the protector of Labradors.
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SPEAKER_01: Protector of Labradors.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so good to be here.
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SPEAKER_01: Today's Diogenes Club writes, what are they good for?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Walter?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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rights what are they good for dude how are you right it's a
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passage or just right
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so we talk about all right all right all right all right how
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many how many can be
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taken away how many fingers do you have and how many and can we
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count from 10 to 0
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SPEAKER_01: on the 10 list rights that they are going to take away
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I'm done letting them take any rights I am taking their right
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to take my rights
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away back from them how about that that's over I'm not I do no
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longer recognize
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their authority to take my rights yeah yeah I do not accept
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their reality this is
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what I don't this is what I don't get guys and I know this is
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gonna be a we're
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gonna I'm sure the chat's gonna start exploding but like what
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what is like this is
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SPEAKER_00: Nick,
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SPEAKER_00: you grew up playing chess Walter,
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you grew up playing chess I grew up playing chess So why does
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it feel like These
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people are playing tiddlywinks They're not playing chess They
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know that this rubber
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band is going to come back In another direction It's going to
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come back It's going
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to snap harder The opposite direction That's the way inertia
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goes They know it's
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SPEAKER_01: going to go One way
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and then come back unless they do everything in their power to
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strip all of those
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to cheat and strip everything away before people actually wake
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up I think the good
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thing is people are actually like very awake right now to
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what's going on and are
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seeing exactly the fucking damage that's being done and they're
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not Republicans
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anymore I'm not using that label because they're not the
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Republican Party they're
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SPEAKER_01: just the regressive right and that's who they are
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No they're fascist Nazis Call them what they are No they're
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fascist Confederates
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They're older than Nazism They're fascist Confederates They
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might even be older
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than that Like Nazi We I don't know Fucking eugenesis No it's
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the Confederacy It
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developed over time That's what it is Yeah like we gotta use
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the real words And I
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don't know what's more powerful to people Because everybody has
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been numbed To the
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SPEAKER_01: word Nazi Or Yeah
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anything about that because everybody was called and people
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said it right but
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correctly but everybody it was used so many times to describe
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people that it lost
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its true power and meaning and they are they're just regressive
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fascists like the
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confederate it's a new confederacy of regressive fascists and
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that's it in my eyes
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SPEAKER_01: and like they want to take all our rights away they want to regress us
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Backwards they don't want to take our rights away like we're
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white they're not
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gonna touch ours for a while but they're gonna take everybody
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else's and I and that
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pisses me off because I shouldn't none of us should be above
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the other in a
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category of just because we have this we were born with a
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lighter melanin content
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any encroachment on humanity though affects all of humanity I'd
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say and I think
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there's a misconception you know I mean we do need to and I
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mean I appreciate what
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SPEAKER_02: you were saying there because
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so many white people are think like well this isn't my fight
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it's like it's
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absolutely your fight and you're not insulated by this you know
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and yeah what nick
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was illustrating was that was like so many people are lulled
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into this complacency
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you need to start getting excited because what's going on right
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now is serious but
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in addition to that i think what we're witnessing is this
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desperation and you know
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having grown up in an abusive relationship you know in an
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abusive household
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Once they start recognizing their power is going away they get
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more and more
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desperate they more and more show their hand and even though it
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seems like they're
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you know rattling their sabers and they're blustering and they
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think they're being
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SPEAKER_02: powerful like always it is the action of desperation
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And I am confident that this is going to crumble soon because
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they have overstepped.
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SPEAKER_02: And everybody knows they've overstepped.
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SPEAKER_02: I think we're already in the reparations phase, actually.
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SPEAKER_02: People keep saying that we have to repair the damage of this regime.
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I think we've already started the process because this regime
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has already collapsed.
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SPEAKER_02: They just haven't recognized it yet.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, this goes back to the Martin Neymuller poem.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep,
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SPEAKER_00: yep,
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yep And for those of you who don't know who Martin Neymuller
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was Martin Neymuller
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was a pastor in Germany Back in the 30s And he wrote a poem
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Called First They Came
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And we've all heard this But I'm just going to read it real
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quick First they came
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for the socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a
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socialist Then they
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came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I
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was not a trade
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SPEAKER_00: unionist
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Then They Came For The Jews And I Did Not Speak Out Because I
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Was Not A Jew Then
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They Came For Me And There Was No One Left To Speak For Me So
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You Know This Is What
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Happens This Is How Authoritarians Take Power This Is How
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Fascists Take Power This
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Is How A Fascist You Know White Majority Supreme Court Takes
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Power Away From The
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SPEAKER_00: People Which We're Going To Get Into But
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Point being is I Guys Listen as a Jew This is getting really
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close to hitting home
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hard Because People are speaking out And they're still fucking
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doing the stupid
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shit And they're still doing it I don't know if they're looking
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for a revolution I
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don't know if they're looking for people to take up arms And
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they're trying to like
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SPEAKER_00: And he's hoping that
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You know you're gonna wind up having the like his own version
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of the SS in the
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streets of the United States which there are not not enough of
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them he's pissed off
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the veterans he's pissing off the military he's pissed off the
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academics he's
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pissed off the youth he's pissed off the independents he's
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pissed off the Democrats
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I mean like who's left to speak for him when this is all said
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and done because they
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can all hovel up in the White House as far as I'm concerned and
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we can burn that
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thing to the ground like the British did in 1812 okay we can
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always rebuild it
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which we're gonna have to anyway yeah it's good we're gonna
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have to demo half of
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the week we're gonna have to demo the ballroom anyway you know
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but I'm what my
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point being is like like when we are all here saying we've had
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enough and we've
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been you know you guys say this almost daily I do it at least a
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couple times a week
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you know either through my notes or through a live and I know
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the people in the
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chat have had enough people at defiance.org have had enough the
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people at blue amp
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SPEAKER_00: have had enough you know
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Charles Armitage has had enough Katie Fangs had enough Jim
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Acosta's had enough I
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mean it's we all have had enough but there we gotta we have
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places to apply
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pressure Congress people don't get it yet see and that's it and
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because we keep
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enabling them we have to put pressure on that blue mega and
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that's what we've been
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doing with these primary it's like you can't go to a Democrat
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and say would you
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SPEAKER_02: please stop taking
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SPEAKER_02: Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick
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I'm like I wrote an article because I was ranting and raving
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like but I'm like
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here's the people who've helped and then it was like a list of
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like 30 names and
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I'm like oh my goodness and then that kind of helped me feel a
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little bit better
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but it's still not enough because our society just if somebody
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has the signatures
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SPEAKER_02: to get on a primary
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Ballot that person deserves media attention that's a fact and
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our media doesn't
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interview these people because they'll come on and say I'm not
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taking APAC money
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unlike you know my opponent Hakeem Jeffries or or whoever it is
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that they're
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running against so we're not putting this pressure on our
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Democrats as we should be
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yeah and we have a special guest joining us for a couple
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minutes here and I'm going
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to tag her make sure she gets tagged at the end of the show
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hopefully her video
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SPEAKER_01: comes up here in a second
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SPEAKER_01: Dana, can you hear us?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a slow emergence of Dana.
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SPEAKER_02: It's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Dana slowly coming out of the darkness.
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Dana may have to drop and come back in because sometimes...
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Oh,
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there she is.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: What's up, Dana?
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, do you have any rights?
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SPEAKER_02: By my standards,
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this is an extraordinary amount of multitasking because I
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finished the Daily
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SPEAKER_02: Whatever show
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SPEAKER_02: Got myself here and I'm now walking to my building at my day job.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought you were going to say you were on a unicycle.
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SPEAKER_02: I am not.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm walking.
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SPEAKER_01: The bouncing up and down.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: it is Seattle,
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so seeing somebody on a unicycle going down the street is not
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an odd thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not really.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not as common as it used to be, Nick.
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I think Seattle's a little less weird,
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but Portland,
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for sure,
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you're going to see unicycles.
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SPEAKER_02: Probably Costumes.
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SPEAKER_01: So Dana,
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SPEAKER_01: there was a Supreme Court ruling or hearing yesterday or ruling,
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SPEAKER_01: whatever the Supreme Court did.
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The Supreme Court is stripping fucking rights away or trying to
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and putting the
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final nail in the coffin into the Voting Rights Act and
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Louisiana responded very
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SPEAKER_01: quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts on
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not a fan.
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SPEAKER_02: I have to admit, I have not heard the latest out of Louisiana.
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SPEAKER_02: All that I heard was it was a six to three ruling.
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SPEAKER_02: It did, as per usual, not go the way we were hoping.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm disorienting myself to where I'm going.
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SPEAKER_02: Can you fill me in on the latest?
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SPEAKER_02: How did Louisiana respond?
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It sounds like Louisiana and I will correct myself if I'm wrong
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here but I saw
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reporting I believe it was from Erin Parnas this morning that
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Louisiana is
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SPEAKER_01: canceling their in progress election What?
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Because of the maps They're canceling the primary because of
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this decision and
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SPEAKER_01: rescheduling it but people have already cast their vote What?
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How do you can't wait who is doing the canceling nick like the
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is it one party or
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another influencing it or is this a a neutral body that's like
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while this is in
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flux we simply can't have elections right now do you know
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here's the story so
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governor governor left jeff landry and the attorney general liz
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murrow in a joint
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SPEAKER_01: statement
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The Supreme Court previously stayed an injunction against the
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state's enforcement
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SPEAKER_00: of the current congressional map by the court's order.
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SPEAKER_00: That stay automatically terminated with yesterday's decision.
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SPEAKER_00: Accordingly,
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the state is currently enjoined from carrying out congressional
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elections under the
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SPEAKER_00: current map.
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We are working together with the legislature and the secretary
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of state's office to
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SPEAKER_00: develop a path forward.
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Most mail ballots have already been sent out with early voting
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due to start on Saturday.
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SPEAKER_00: They are going to basically...
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The Louisiana officials have made it clear on Thursday that the
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state's primaries
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will be postponed so lawmakers can draw a new congressional map
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in response to the
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SPEAKER_00: VRA gutting.
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The move will likely give the GOP one or two additional seats
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in this year's midterms.
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The Republicans currently hoard four of the six congressional
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seats already.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's Louisiana.
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SPEAKER_02: That's not surprising.
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God we just as you were saying all of this I'm like the words
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that just keep
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flashing in my head are like chaos agents they're just trying
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to put elections in
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so much chaos because Americans already have a problem with not
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voting in big
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enough numbers and when it feels chaotic or hard to do they're
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just far less likely
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to turn up when they're like I don't even know what district
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I'm in or who I can
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vote for I've it's too much to pay attention to right they're
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just looking to
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SPEAKER_02: Disenfranchise and create chaos.
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SPEAKER_02: Again, I'm just going to keep repeating that word.
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SPEAKER_02: What a mess.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't have to pass the SAVE Act.
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They can just rejerrymandered district so that you go to the
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wrong polling center
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SPEAKER_00: and you have no idea what district you're in.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Respectfully, Eric, I don't like to ever look at what Florida did.
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SPEAKER_02: I know you're there.
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SPEAKER_02: It's my...
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you know where i grew up but man florida this is the thing that
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bothers me with
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SPEAKER_00: this whole ruling yeah the the voting rights act was the constitutional
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jurisprudence in response to jim crow era segregated yeah
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voting right yeah and
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SPEAKER_00: then the pressure the vra was the remedy
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Now the current Supreme Court has basically turned around and said,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: that remedy is unconstitutional.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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So the remedy that was supposed to cure the remedy basically
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undid the remedy,
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SPEAKER_00: which now makes it legal to go back to where we were back in the 1800s.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, they did say they wanted to go back to the 1800s.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So here we go.
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SPEAKER_02: You know who you guys should talk to about this is Anne P. Marshall.
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um she is an attorney and she just posted yesterday she was
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amazing I know like the
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SPEAKER_02: happiest thing I've done in a long time as a matchmaker I'm a really good
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matchmaker I have three couples I know who've been long-term
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married who met
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through me I haven't set up anyone romantically in a long time
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but introducing Zev
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SPEAKER_02: and Anne was like the biggest no-brainer ever
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yeah and and the way that like he was like we need to elevate
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you and he's had her
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on a show a few times it makes me so happy but she just posted
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about this yesterday
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and I will fully admit I have not had a chance to read it yet
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but her take at the
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beginning was like calm down this isn't as catastrophic as you
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think and um
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I wish I had on my phone or I would grab the link to share with
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your audience but
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you all might want to because I find her because she's a lawyer
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she does tend to
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present things in very just she says yay at a lot of
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exclamation points which I
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love that she lightens it up with a little humor but she also
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it's comforting that
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SPEAKER_02: she generally comes into stories with perspective of like this isn't as
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SPEAKER_02: catastrophic as you think and here's why so I would
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I'm at my office now and I'm going to have to drop sadly but I
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would say if you can
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find her story from yesterday or two days ago I think it was
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yesterday share it
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because I think she had a lot to say in there I'm putting it in
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the chat Nick I'm
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going to send it to you perfect awesome because I'll link it in
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the post show Dana
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SPEAKER_02: thanks for jumping on with us this was so fun oh my gosh good to see you
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SPEAKER_02: So good to see you too.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll invite you back again so that we can actually plan this out.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_02: Anytime.
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SPEAKER_02: You are three of my favorites.
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SPEAKER_02: I would love to join in the fun.
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SPEAKER_02: So now I need to go into and care about my day job.
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SPEAKER_02: Wish me luck.
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SPEAKER_01: Boo.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm very grateful for it.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Dana.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll talk to you again soon.
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SPEAKER_02: Sounds great.
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SPEAKER_02: Bye.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's so awesome having Dana.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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we have to be proactive now though and find the primary
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challengers the courage
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candidates in Louisiana that's what we need to do because this
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is in the news and
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we need to hear from the people that are most directly affected
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by this and I need
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to see other creators doing this reaching out to them we need
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to see the big
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creators talking about them because the time is now and this is
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what makes me upset
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as our big media conglomerates they fret but there is this
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direct action we could
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take to talk to more people about these things I think that's
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really important no
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SPEAKER_01: absolutely I mean you and I
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are doing it Eric we were talking about it before the show
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about like it's really
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tough when some of these folks do reach out to like I've had a
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lot of folks I've
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started getting a lot of folks reaching out for the candidate
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interviews I'm sorry
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that I might have a little bit of a lisp today I bit the inside
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of my lip and it's
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SPEAKER_01: pretty swollen so it kind of hurts is I just
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it's hard to get responses back from some of them not because I
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think they're
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ignoring us in the long run or even in the short run I think
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it's very they they
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don't have someone helping them they don't have a PR agent or
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they're doing it on
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their own because they're super bootstrap budget and low budget
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because that's what
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a lot of these candidates are trying to also prove is you can
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do this without
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SPEAKER_01: spending buku amount of money I have a solution for that Nick
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Yeah yeah yeah and I want to hear it yeah yeah yeah is we are
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continuing to reach
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out though like I still like even if they don't get back to me
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I still I message
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them back a couple days later and I'm like hey just following
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up even if you miss
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this last one let's get you scheduled sometime on my schedule
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like you give me
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times I will make it work and that's what I'm going to start
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doing for them it's
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like here's some times and like my immediate is always I send
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like two or three
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SPEAKER_01: date times and I'm like hey do any of these times work for you
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if not send me back one that does and you guys can do that too
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just talk to Kira
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Havens find out like how you can become part of this if you
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have any sort of
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podcast following talk to Kira Havens and invite her on talk to
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her for an episode
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SPEAKER_01: and then she will put your name into a podcast pool yep
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what you need to do is because I know you've been working
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really hard I've been
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seeing all these interviews you've been doing the candidates
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you've already talked
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to they're the ones that can reach out to these other
20:00
candidates and you can say
20:01
hey Joseph you know it's like we talked you can come on again
20:05
it can be the three
20:06
of us and then he'll reach out because all the courage
20:08
candidates are kind of
20:09
SPEAKER_02: together in a group
20:10
I've been setting something up with Erica Kopp again with
20:13
somebody who's running in
20:13
Colorado and it's easier for them because they're used to that
20:16
like for me it's
20:17
just a strange name in their inbox but if it's from one of the
20:20
fellow courage
20:20
candidates saying hey here's a media opportunity it'll be you
20:23
and me and Nick
20:25
then it'll get set up that that helps just speed things along
20:27
plus I mean all of
20:28
them are then they're all they've all been great and all of
20:31
them are still looking
20:31
for more exposure but we really needed to pressure you know the
20:35
Jim Acosta's of the
20:36
SPEAKER_02: world and the Heather Cox Richardson's and and and all of them to
20:40
We'll Just Be Promoting These Primary Candidates That Will Put
20:42
Pressure On Our Do
20:43
Nothing Democrats They'll Start Doing Something We Will See
20:46
That Is Action We Can
20:47
Take Today We're Not Waiting For The Midterms We're Not Waiting
20:49
For The Next
20:50
Election Our Democrats Have Plenty Of Power They Have Plenty Of
20:53
Things That They
20:53
Could Do And The Fact That They Sit On Their Hands Is Because
20:56
They're Not Really
20:56
Challenged Because They're Insulated Because They've Dismantled
20:59
This Primary System
21:00
So We Have To Rebuild That Primary System Put Pressure On Our
21:03
Existing Democrats
21:04
SPEAKER_02: And Then Vote Them Out Anyway
21:06
Okay,
21:06
so I talked to Oregon gubernatorial candidate Brittany Jones
21:11
yesterday.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: I did too.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: We were right after each other, I think.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: And she talked about it in a way that governors could be doing more,
21:21
SPEAKER_01: that attorneys generals could be doing more,
21:25
SPEAKER_01: but also she broke it down into how law is viewed on a hierarchy.
21:35
Within the US and the fact that nobody is enforcing treaty law
21:41
within our own
21:41
nation for any of the treaties we have ever signed with any of
21:46
the First Nations
21:47
SPEAKER_01: people or anyone else.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: And she was like, yeah, I'm just going to enforce treaty law.
21:54
and that will solve so much of these problems because those
21:57
treaty laws are already
21:59
built in to protect the environment to slow down for things
22:03
like data centers they
22:04
would have to slow down and do environmental studies that are
22:07
much much much much
22:08
more rigorous than even the EPA expensive and more expensive
22:14
and nobody's doing it
22:15
like we have all of these fucking laws in place and I don't
22:18
have the money to be
22:19
SPEAKER_01: the one who
22:22
like files those lawsuits I was wondering why my glasses had
22:25
this weird light
22:26
reflection all of a sudden it's a UV flashlight so I have a new
22:34
I know there's a
22:35
company that I work with that has a new every sort of dermabond
22:39
right for like skin
22:40
lacerations it's the cyanoacrylate that they use the glue to
22:44
kind of stitch your
22:45
SPEAKER_00: laceration back together so they have a new company out
22:48
Actually DeRoyal they have a new product out that doesn't have
22:51
cyanoacrylate so
22:52
it's not it's not irritant to the skin so this is what we have
22:56
to use to activate
22:57
the glue is the little little UV light for 30 seconds to kind
23:00
of you know sorry I
23:02
didn't mean to like kind of throw everybody off so no you're
23:05
fine I just think I
23:07
just think treaty law is something that we need to start
23:12
enforcing and yeah
23:16
SPEAKER_01: politicians just
23:18
and elected officials just need to do the basic thing is do
23:21
their damn job and
23:23
enforce the law so I this is a this is a term I use with a lot
23:28
of the companies in
23:28
my in my sector when you look at companies and they just
23:32
haven't come up with like
23:34
there's an old there's an old adage in in corporate America of
23:38
people who are so
23:39
worried about keeping their job that they don't do their job
23:42
yep right and it's
23:43
SPEAKER_00: across every aspect of every sector of every
23:47
Industry in the United States and around the world when you
23:50
have when you start
23:51
getting complacent about doing your job because you're too
23:54
worried about keeping it
23:56
yeah and you forget wow then you forget how to do your job yeah
24:00
and I think that's
24:01
where we are with a lot of the blue magas they've they've
24:03
gotten so comfortable
24:04
there well that it's about it's about being there it's not
24:07
about doing the job
24:08
anymore it's about just being there and in the power and the
24:13
money and the pack
24:13
SPEAKER_00: money and the dinners and the beltway dinners and the
24:18
But What Did That Get You All Up Until This Point With The King
24:23
Of England Come To
24:25
The United States And Not One Democratic Senator Not Even The
24:29
Senate Majority
24:30
Leader Nor The Ranking Member Of The House Was Invited To That
24:34
Dinner So What Did
24:36
SPEAKER_00: All Of That Get You Bupkus Yeah Right
24:42
Well they're so corrupt and they've trained the media that this
24:44
is just normal so
24:45
the media is corrupt it is the media's responsibility to be
24:48
elevated I'm sorry?
24:51
SPEAKER_00: The media is owned by the people in power so it's not like
24:55
Correct and that's why it's our responsibility right now we
24:58
can't be complacent
24:59
either and that's we just have to apply that pressure and I
25:01
just keep telling it's
25:03
gonna start with these it started with us we're the ones
25:06
interviewing the people
25:06
but that's where the pressure is to let these representatives
25:09
know we're not gonna
25:10
sit there and let them do nothing and to spew their bullshit
25:13
about how that's all
25:14
they can do they have had plenty of power we gave them
25:17
majorities in 2020 they did
25:19
SPEAKER_02: nothing with that they need to go
25:21
and they're not going to go though but it's like everything
25:22
else really kind of
25:24
feels like a distraction right now we have to pressure put
25:26
pressure on the people
25:28
who have power to act today and that requires a change of
25:32
thinking about all the
25:33
people on whether it's independent media we'll start there and
25:36
move on to legacy
25:37
media hopefully or dismantle it but until we start pressuring
25:41
our Democrats that
25:42
are sitting right now with power and elevating our progressives
25:46
we're not doing
25:46
SPEAKER_02: much
25:47
No yeah and I just want to say something and this is something
25:51
that that Ann wrote
25:53
in her piece when we talk about the Voting Rights Act and how
25:57
you know remember
25:58
when the Supreme Court issues a ruling it they're issuing their
26:03
ruling which is the
26:04
instructions on the lower courts on how to interpret the law
26:08
okay it's it's not
26:11
SPEAKER_00: like the Supreme Court says
26:13
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah
26:40
and that's obviously going to depend on the judge hearing the
26:42
case right so but the
26:45
point being is that if a voter or a block of voters have a
26:49
problem with the way a
26:51
district has been redrawn you can't use race anymore as a
26:57
justification for the
26:58
lawsuit it's got to be where it's benefiting a political party
27:04
over you know you
27:06
SPEAKER_00: got to prove that there was an intent to defraud the district
27:10
Which Is A Harder Which Is A Harder You Know It'S A Harder
27:16
Harder Level To Make
27:17
It'S A Harder Argument To Make But It'S Doable But It'S
27:20
Applying To Both Parties
27:22
Now Here'S The Thing You Know Who Makes That Determination It'S
27:29
Going To Be
27:30
Whoever'S Running State Attorney General Offices County
27:35
Attorney General State
27:36
SPEAKER_00: Attorneys
27:38
You know This is This is why Elections have Consequences This
27:41
is why All of these
27:43
Neo-fascist Butt-stinking Butt-wipes We have to vote out We
27:50
have to There's the
27:51
only way We're going to fix this They're all They're all white
27:52
supremacists Yeah
27:53
exactly Well they're racist White supremacists Including the
27:57
Uncle Tom On the
27:57
Supreme Court Yeah You know I mean I got You know Thank you to
28:03
Natasha Who actually
28:04
Told me Don't make Clarence Thomas White Because it takes away
28:07
His identity But
28:09
he's still a traitor and he's still a white supremacist even
28:12
though he's an
28:13
african-american male but he's still a racist white supremacist
28:16
and just you know
28:19
and our democratic party hasn't protected no black vote at all
28:23
you know they did
28:24
SPEAKER_00: they lecture them correct and or the younger voters or women or
28:31
I mean they had they had the voting rights the John Lewis
28:34
Voting Rights Restoration
28:35
Act sitting on the table they would have had to overcome the
28:38
filibuster but they're
28:40
but then just like well but Schumer wouldn't pull the nuclear
28:43
weapon and just go to
28:45
51 votes yeah and I'm shocked the filibuster is still in effect
28:49
to be honest I
28:49
thought that was going to be long gone so yeah well they wiped
28:52
it out what what did
28:53
they wiped it out for they wiped it out for appointees and
28:57
judges and treaties and
28:59
SPEAKER_02: yeah bit by bit the only thing
29:01
they have they've left it in for is funding appropriation
29:04
Democrats want yeah or
29:06
stuff the people want yeah yeah and answering a question from
29:11
in the chat Courtney
29:12
you asked this yesterday too and we didn't get to answer it
29:14
with Brittany was is
29:17
there any concern that enforcing treaty law would make the
29:20
tribes more of a front
29:21
SPEAKER_01: and center political target it's hard to say if it would or not that said
29:31
we have to start using the laws that are in place to their
29:38
fullest whether like
29:42
they do everything in their fullest to hurt us like we can't we
29:48
can't be afraid to
29:49
use the law in our power like we have to fight for and yes it
29:55
will probably put a
29:56
SPEAKER_01: target on the backs of tribal treaty law
30:01
Maybe it's time we re-access some of the tribal treaties so
30:04
they're actually fair.
30:06
Maybe we need to do this so that we can expose how white
30:09
supremacists some of these
30:11
SPEAKER_01: treaties actually are in the first place so that we can fix them.
30:17
It's that catch-22 of being a Democrat or being pro-democratic
30:24
in this way is the I
30:26
SPEAKER_01: don't want to abuse the power that
30:30
we have but we need to use the power that we have and Walter
30:35
you said it really
30:36
well the other day was we don't need permission we don't need
30:41
to get consent to
30:43
defend our rights we don't need to wait for the government to
30:47
consent to say yes
30:49
you can defend this right you can't defend that right they're
30:53
attacking us we can
30:55
SPEAKER_01: defend our rights and we don't advocate for doing that violence
31:01
There Are Ways To Do It Without Violence I Also Want People
31:04
That Kind Of Resist
31:05
This Temptation To Be Like Well Maybe It'll Be Worse Start
31:08
Thinking Maybe It'll Be
31:09
Better You Know I Think Abusers Always Get You A Lot Of Their
31:13
Power Abusive People
31:15
They Make You Convinced That You First Of All You Know Imposter
31:17
Syndrome You're Not
31:18
SPEAKER_02: As Good As They Are Anything You Do Is Going To Fail
31:21
That's entirely white supremacy thinking Where you're afraid to
31:25
even try to make
31:25
things better Because you're so convinced you're going to make
31:27
it worse It can't
31:29
get worse We can make it better Because we are smart We're
31:33
educated We have
31:34
compassion We can take action and do good And we have to have
31:39
the courage to do it
31:40
And if we start doing something We see it's not working the way
31:42
we intended it
31:44
We'll change it But we're not going to sit around and just
31:46
concede That the way
31:47
SPEAKER_02: it's imposed on us right now Is the only way it can be
31:51
we have to fight we have to stand up and we have to shake off
31:54
this fear we have to
31:55
shake off all those self-doubts that have been artificially
31:58
imposed upon us to make
32:00
us complicit in our own oppression get rid of that shit I'm I
32:04
my whole life when I
32:05
was raising my kids I'm like I'm not gonna do this shit the way
32:07
everybody tells me
32:08
to do it I'm gonna do it my way because I think I'm right and
32:10
you know what my kids
32:11
SPEAKER_02: are fucking great
32:13
and other people should listen to how I do things because I
32:15
know how to do it and
32:16
you guys know how to do shit too my kids are the best they
32:20
fucking are I'll put
32:21
them up against anybody and I hope your kids are as good as
32:24
mine and that they all
32:25
can rise up together and make a better world because that's
32:28
been the whole point
32:29
right because we haven't done it what's sitting here right now
32:32
isn't good enough
32:33
for them yeah and I don't have the answer to all of this
32:37
question either on is it
32:39
SPEAKER_01: the right choice is it the good thing to do
32:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm not part of many of these communities that are impacted.
32:47
I do know as a person with disabilities is that it's my my need
32:54
right now is to
32:55
stand up and use the privilege I have to openly talk about my
32:59
disabilities and
33:00
normalize it and make it part of the dialogue that we discuss
33:06
these things and that
33:07
SPEAKER_01: it's who we are
33:08
and that we live with them and that we overcome them we have to
33:12
discuss these
33:13
things because we can't it's the it's the tool of the abuser to
33:18
say well if you use
33:20
the the law well i'm going to come after the person who the law
33:24
was aimed for so
33:25
they can't use it and you can't use it in the future yeah
33:30
that's pretty abusive is
33:32
SPEAKER_01: to be is to just say well you can't use this
33:36
to Defend Yourself because if you do i'll take the rights away
33:40
from anyone else in
33:41
the future yeah specifically the group that it was made to
33:45
protect originally i'll
33:46
take their rights away so that they can't do anything and you
33:49
can't do anything we
33:50
have to like we cannot ask for consent to defend our rights
33:57
like this we we're we
34:00
SPEAKER_01: have to keep fighting for it we have to keep encouraging our
34:06
Institutions That Are There And Use Governors And States That
34:14
Are Pro-Democracy
34:16
More Fully Than We Are You Know I Think We Got Into A Like A
34:22
False I Think We As A
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Country Got Into A False Sense Of Of
34:29
Just Routine Right Inevitability Of Failure Like Art It Became
34:34
Routine Right Yes
34:35
Post Like Everybody Sacrificed Everybody Did What They Had To
34:37
Do During World War
34:38
II Right So We Had This Huge Period In This Country Massive
34:42
Economic Growth
34:43
Everybody Big Middle Class Explosion Industrialization
34:47
Explosion Suburban America
34:49
Explosion But People Were Still Being Left Behind You Know Then
34:53
We Had The Energy
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Crisis In The 70s And Then
34:56
Really Around 1980s When This Shit Started Turning Heritage
35:00
Foundation They Kind Of
35:02
Had It Like They Kind Of Like The Conservative Part Of America
35:06
Kind Of Had Enough
35:07
With The 60s You Know They Like The Mom And Pop Store With The
35:13
Wife Staying Home
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Wearing The Apron White Picket Fence The You Know
35:18
Lucy Ball the Lucille you know the Lucy Ball Show and you know
35:22
and just like this
35:23
this white America of a white picket fence and two kids and a
35:26
dog and and then the
35:28
60s and kind of changed all that and then and then it got more
35:32
progressive in the
35:33
SPEAKER_00: 70s and and with more you know what you saw with with the downfall at the
35:37
downgrading in New York City in San Francisco and Chicago and
35:40
then then you had the
35:41
80s in the in the doc they had the corporate boom in the 80s
35:45
with the recession
35:46
Right and the cities kind of came back in the 90s and then it's
35:50
just this we go we
35:51
go through this ebb and flow of society yeah yeah this is not a
35:56
flow this is not
35:57
ebbing this is like this is they want this and and and I guess
36:02
the biggest hi
36:03
there's the and then I'm gonna finish my thought and then we'll
36:07
we'll bring her on
36:07
SPEAKER_00: and then we can but my my process here is that if we don't pay attention
36:13
SPEAKER_00: and it's easy for us to get routines.
36:14
This is like being in a 20 year marriage where you're kind of
36:17
going through the motions,
36:18
right?
36:19
SPEAKER_00: And things are getting a little stale and you need to spice it up.
36:22
My biggest comment has been they're trying to do here in two
36:27
years what Orban did
36:30
SPEAKER_00: in 16 in Hungary.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Instead of doing it slow and kind of just biting it away,
36:37
SPEAKER_00: they're doing it in this rapid formation,
36:39
SPEAKER_00: which is why
36:41
Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro
36:44
Nick Paro Nick Paro
36:45
Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro
36:49
Nick Paro Nick Paro
36:50
Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro
36:54
Nick Paro Nick Paro
37:09
to connect what's happening with the Voting Rights Act and how
37:12
it's going to impact
37:13
SPEAKER_03: every other community,
37:15
SPEAKER_03: because I'm going to explain this in a way that makes sense.
37:19
SPEAKER_03: I live in the north, right?
37:20
SPEAKER_03: I live in New England.
37:21
SPEAKER_03: I'm originally from New York.
37:23
SPEAKER_03: So we keep talking about the voting section two like it's just race.
37:27
SPEAKER_03: It's also language minorities.
37:30
SPEAKER_03: So I'm going to explain something to most people who don't know.
37:34
SPEAKER_03: In the 1920s, New York State passed a law
37:37
SPEAKER_03: around how people needed to register to vote.
37:41
SPEAKER_03: It was around language.
37:43
SPEAKER_03: It was not around race like in the South, but it was around language.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: It was an anti-immigrant,
37:49
anti-immigrant way to keep people who did not speak English out
37:53
from being able to
37:53
SPEAKER_03: vote regardless if they,
37:55
SPEAKER_03: even if they were US citizens,
37:57
SPEAKER_03: right?
37:59
SPEAKER_03: By the 1960s, the people who were impacted the most were Puerto Ricans.
38:04
SPEAKER_03: Now I'm going to say this, I am Puerto Rican.
38:07
Puerto Ricans Come In All Shades Puerto Ricans Are As White As
38:11
Walter And As
38:12
Blacker Than Me So I Just Want To Make This Very Very Clear
38:16
That Latinos Are Not A
38:18
SPEAKER_03: Race They Are Part Of A Language Minority
38:22
they can be part of a race but not necessarily i have family
38:27
members like i said i
38:28
have said this before who are white with blonde hair and blue
38:33
eyes and dark and and
38:35
blackity black like darker than me so i just want to say that
38:41
yes it's going to
38:42
SPEAKER_03: impact
38:44
the south the hardest federally but in the north it's going to
38:49
impact villages like
38:51
portchester where they fought to eliminate at large council
38:58
races and to put in
39:01
SPEAKER_03: districts
39:03
and these were majority or substantially latino
39:09
spanish-speaking latino communities
39:11
that fought for this stuff so i'm gonna say this now to
39:15
everyone who's listening
39:17
every community needs to wake the fuck up and understand that
39:22
this shit is going to
39:24
roll downhill and I usually do not curse like this but
39:28
ironically I was on a call
39:31
SPEAKER_03: yesterday with a member of congress discussing a bill about truth and
39:38
SPEAKER_03: reconciliation commission for the United States when this decision
39:45
came out so i need people to wake up that yes this is a
39:50
majority southern problem
39:54
but it's also a northern problem not based on race but based on
39:59
language and as a
40:00
northerner who comes from descendants of slaves on my father's
40:04
side and people who
40:06
are not descendants of slaves on my mother's side i see both
40:09
sides of it and this
40:11
SPEAKER_03: is gonna suck for everyone so wake up
40:16
we've I think part of it too is we've become now you know one
40:20
thanks for saying
40:20
that just like super clear super easy for people to hear is
40:25
this impacts for
40:27
everyone yeah everyone and we have become so accustomed I think
40:33
in the US of only
40:35
SPEAKER_01: considering issues on a north-south basis
40:39
We forgot that the entire fucking country exists and there is
40:44
no north-south in the U.S.
40:47
SPEAKER_03: It's everywhere.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: Not anymore.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: It's everywhere.
40:50
There are people who are very pro-progressive and
40:54
pro-democratic and pro-democratic republic.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: Let's say that.
41:01
because I know you're not you're not considered a progressive
41:05
you would be
41:05
considered in many circles a traditional conservative not
41:09
someone who's regressive
41:10
but more conservative and we talked about this it's
41:14
pro-democratic republic right
41:16
now is we are pro just things that humanity suck pro-humanity
41:22
and we have this
41:22
SPEAKER_01: pro-decency agenda that all of us care about that really unites us like
41:28
Everybody is affected every part of the country has people who
41:32
are pro decency and
41:34
regressive that's it like that's that's at this point and if
41:38
you're moderate you're
41:39
regressive if you're if you're trying to moderate this
41:41
discussion around like the
41:43
impacts of fascism and what the fuck is going on you're
41:47
regressive at the moment
41:48
SPEAKER_01: too because you're allowing regressivism to happen
41:51
SPEAKER_00: You know,
41:52
SPEAKER_00: and I and I see where this is going,
41:54
because remember the same Supreme Court in 2019 in Rucho versus
41:58
Common Cause,
42:00
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:01
SPEAKER_00: basically blocked the political gerrymandering.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: But now they're basically saying that all of its fucking legal.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:07
They've been dismantling it for years,
42:09
for decades,
42:10
the Voting Rights Act.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: So this is why it is so vitally important that we win local elections.
42:17
SPEAKER_03: That's where it starts.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: The local congressional,
42:19
the local state house and legislature elections become vitally
42:23
important to prevent
42:24
these racist shitbags from permanently rewriting congressional
42:30
maps at the state
42:32
SPEAKER_00: level.
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SPEAKER_03: I agree, Eric.
42:34
SPEAKER_03: This is what I'm going to say about this.
42:37
And the reason why I didn't reach out yesterday is because I
42:40
was busy getting ready
42:42
SPEAKER_03: to go to a civic event in my city because I...
42:46
serve on my city's Disabilities Commission and so I was getting
42:51
ready for that on
42:52
top of like doing the work is it's so important at this at the
42:57
local level when you
42:59
know when they're talking about voting because again not all
43:02
states have county
43:03
government I I live in Massachusetts we do not have county
43:06
government we have
43:09
City Municipal Election Boards that you go to those meetings
43:14
and you and you speak
43:16
up and make sure that that all this crap doesn't happen the
43:22
other thing i want
43:24
people to understand is that the people who are getting who are
43:29
going to be
43:29
SPEAKER_03: eliminated in the south
43:32
are generally i'm not saying all of them but a lot of them are
43:36
pro disability
43:38
rights justice and liberation and pro lgbtq um rights so we
43:45
cannot pretend
43:47
anymore if this was the 90s we can kind of be like okay you
43:51
know like if they
43:52
gutted this in the 90s instead of now we can be like oh okay we
43:56
you know people
43:57
with disabilities just got their rights lgbtq people didn't
44:01
have their rights but
44:02
they're doing this so they can say trans people don't have
44:06
rights so they can
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reverse gay marriage across the country and make it hodgepodge
44:12
legal depending on
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SPEAKER_03: which state you live in
44:15
and and so they can say they don't have to educate people with
44:19
disabilities that's
44:20
what they're trying to do and if anybody says otherwise I will
44:25
I say this all the
44:26
time I have a bridge that connects the city of Cambridge where
44:30
I live to the city
44:31
SPEAKER_03: of Boston to sell you yes
44:34
SPEAKER_02: And they do it on multiple fronts, too.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: It's not like just one tactic they're deploying.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: It's again and again.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: That's like when we say election integrity.
44:43
You could write volumes on the way that these people are trying
44:47
to erode our rights.
44:49
Never Just One Thing and getting back to what we were talking
44:51
about before when
44:52
people get just this idea of like well we can't fix anything
44:54
because anything we
44:56
SPEAKER_02: implement will also be sabotaged.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: There are always going to be efforts to sabotage every good idea.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: Our job in life isn't to like oh that's been fixed.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick
45:36
Well we'll have to start the conversation then in that case yes
45:39
well that's why we
45:39
have groups that's why we have think tanks that's why we have
45:42
academic well that no
45:43
but this is why we have a think tank where we discuss what the
45:46
appropriate action
45:47
is and then do it and if you have somebody in your group who's
45:49
sitting there saying
45:50
SPEAKER_02: well no
45:51
SPEAKER_02: Nick Paro
46:15
Profit is evil then you know you can use profit to justify all
46:19
kinds of crimes
46:19
against humanity we have to change our mindset and we have to
46:22
take action we have
46:23
to stand up for each other yeah we're not problem finders we're
46:28
supposed to be
46:28
SPEAKER_01: problem solvers correct and
46:32
SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to solve the problems that are presented.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, we may find problems.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: We then fucking solve them.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: We work to solve them.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: As we learn, you find new things and you fix them.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: And by the saying, it's so great to have you here.
46:44
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
46:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm building off what you're saying, Walter, here.
46:47
I think it's great is we need to stop having people just come
46:51
into the room and
46:52
SPEAKER_01: shit on every idea.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: And then go, well, I shit on all your ideas.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: Now you solve what I just shit on so that I can go shit some more.
47:01
because that's just the Cleveland steamer of life and I don't
47:06
want people walking
47:07
into a room shitting on my table or my chest and going well now
47:11
it's your problem
47:12
no you started the damn problem you offer a fucking solution
47:17
which is don't do that
47:19
shit and we can work forward from there and that's what we're
47:23
trying to do why do
47:25
we treat civil and political decisions differently than the way
47:28
we discipline and
47:29
SPEAKER_00: handle our children
47:31
it's the same dirty diaper yeah it is it's it's because we
47:40
treat women like shit in
47:42
this country and we treat sorry not just women we treat anyone
47:46
who's not straight
47:47
SPEAKER_01: white male like shit straight white male
47:53
SPEAKER_03: and non-disabled.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: Fully able-bodied male.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Because you could be rich and if you have a disability,
48:01
they're treating you like garbage because they make fun of Greg
48:07
Abbott and call him
48:08
SPEAKER_03: Governor Hot Wheels even though he's rich,
48:11
SPEAKER_03: straight,
48:11
SPEAKER_03: and white.
48:12
SPEAKER_03: He has a disability.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: Have you actually seen the wheels on his wheelchair?
48:16
SPEAKER_00: He actually made him in a Hot Wheels car.
48:18
I know I I don't I don't I don't that's what he calls himself
48:22
but now now he's he's
48:24
turning he's but it's been weaponized against him within
48:31
progressive circles I'm
48:32
not saying and but I also am not co-signing like I'm gonna say
48:38
this if the
48:38
disability community had a cookout he would not be invited
48:42
because he's ableist and
48:43
SPEAKER_03: racist as hell so just say
48:47
shortlist of those not going yes exactly exactly and give him
48:52
the wrong address
48:53
we'll make sure he's invited but just not where he wants to go
48:57
just make him the
48:58
guest of honor put him on the spit oh put him on the spit for
49:03
roasting just roast
49:06
SPEAKER_01: him for the whole time I mean that's the thing it's like
49:10
it's it's also the difference between criticizing people about
49:15
personhood and
49:16
personality traits and there's a very different like there's a
49:20
very big difference
49:21
between criticizing someone about their personhood which they
49:24
cannot change and
49:25
SPEAKER_01: which is part of the fucking problem
49:28
which is why men are so able to just go around and demean women
49:32
all the time and
49:33
anyone who's not them all the time because we're used to as a
49:37
society demeaning
49:39
people on their personhood and not their personality which for
49:43
the most part
49:43
personality is a choice and you choose to have some of the
49:47
personality traits that
49:48
SPEAKER_01: you do.
49:50
you choose to be an asshole you choose to be a rapist you
49:54
choose to be a pedophile
49:56
piece of shit you choose to be an abusive fucking asshole and
50:01
garbage I'm concerned
50:03
with why we don't demean people for the most part on personhood
50:08
unless it's men
50:10
SPEAKER_01: demeaning men
50:12
with body parts that are soft and weak because it's not
50:16
demeaning to call a penis
50:18
soft and weak they're soft and weak they're also really
50:22
annoying and get inserted
50:24
in places that nobody wants them and so these regressives are
50:28
like penises they
50:29
insert themselves in places nobody wants without permission and
50:35
we need to get them
50:36
SPEAKER_01: out of here
50:37
This is the fourth week in a row Nick where you've gone to a
50:40
phallic analogy I
50:41
always do for these people There's no escaping this phallic
50:46
analogy That's who they
50:48
are as people Nick is right though and I'm gonna say this I'm
50:52
saying this as a
50:53
SPEAKER_03: woman I am not offended because you know what
50:57
I will say this as somebody who has more conservative leading
51:04
views in certain
51:05
spaces I'm like pro-humanity is that I have a thick skin like
51:09
I'm not like into
51:11
SPEAKER_03: like you have
51:12
You have to be politically correct all the time to say to get
51:14
your point across
51:15
SPEAKER_03: because I'm going to say this right now.
51:17
SPEAKER_03: We've tried politically correct and we tried the whole like,
51:22
SPEAKER_03: but we can't say this because this group is going to be offended.
51:26
SPEAKER_03: We can't say this because this group is going to be offended.
51:29
SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile,
51:30
we have groups reclaiming other words that are totally
51:34
offensive like queer and I
51:35
SPEAKER_03: am a member of the LGBTQ community and I hate that word.
51:38
SPEAKER_03: I think it's a word that you need to go into the dust
51:41
Dustbin of History but hey you know like but those reclaiming
51:46
words like that is
51:47
okay but when we start you know not being you know when we
51:51
start fighting fire with
51:53
fire and turning their their ableism or their racism against
52:00
them with similar
52:01
tactics then then we need to be above it all and I'm like you
52:04
know what I am not
52:05
SPEAKER_03: taking right a a a
52:09
SPEAKER_03: baseball bat to a gunfight.
52:11
SPEAKER_03: That would never be me.
52:13
SPEAKER_03: And I say this all the time.
52:16
SPEAKER_03: I love Gen Z. I love older Gen Alpha.
52:20
SPEAKER_03: That's my cousins and my nephew generation.
52:25
SPEAKER_03: But Gen X and older millennials,
52:27
SPEAKER_03: especially the,
52:28
SPEAKER_03: you know,
52:29
SPEAKER_03: and I say this about Gen X,
52:33
SPEAKER_03: especially Gen X.
52:35
SPEAKER_03: Walter,
52:35
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what your birth year is.
52:37
SPEAKER_03: You're fine.
52:37
SPEAKER_02: You're fine.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: It's all.
52:39
He's not a boomer I'm Gen X but it's fine I'm gonna say this In
52:44
my experience As
52:46
somebody who has Gen X relatives My Gen X relatives Born before
52:51
1974 Are more like
52:53
boomers Than Gen Xers that are More I'm just saying In my
52:58
experience As the oldest
53:01
SPEAKER_00: one in the room Who's Gen X before 74 Okay
53:08
I Would Have To Dispute That Well You Can Dispute It All You
53:13
Want To The Reality Is
53:17
I Am Being The Elder Statesman In The Room Here Walter Is Not
53:21
That Far Behind Me By
53:22
The Way Oh Listen As A White Man I Recognize White Men Are The
53:26
Problem As Gen X I
53:27
Recognize Gen X Needs To Do Better So It's Like I Don't Have A
53:30
Problem With These
53:31
With Like Let's Have The Criticisms I'm Throwing The Criticism
53:34
Around Because I Can
53:35
SPEAKER_03: Actually Say
53:38
And as somebody who came of age as a Gen Xer in the 90s versus
53:42
Gen X in the 80s,
53:44
SPEAKER_03: it's a different experience.
53:46
SPEAKER_03: You tend to be more progressive.
53:50
SPEAKER_03: There's a portion of Gen X still in their 40s, and if you break
53:53
I'll tell you why that became a financial conversation and it
53:55
wasn't about the
53:57
SPEAKER_03: content of the personality that was an economically based
54:22
it was not just it was not just economic because you know why I
54:25
can say economics
54:26
because because I live in the live in the metro Boston area and
54:31
all of those Gen
54:32
SPEAKER_03: Xers who who were like protesting the busing or
54:37
SPEAKER_03: All of those parents who were protesting and busing in the 70s,
54:41
SPEAKER_03: a lot of those were Gen Xers and most of them were white.
54:45
SPEAKER_03: So I respect your opinion,
54:48
SPEAKER_03: Eric,
54:48
SPEAKER_03: but I'm going by the reality of history and what happened in the 70s.
54:54
SPEAKER_03: Those were younger baby boomers,
54:56
but mainly older Gen Xers born in the 60s and early 70s whose
55:01
parents were throwing
55:02
SPEAKER_03: rocks and things at Black children and busing.
55:08
there's a lot of work that needs to be done and people like
55:11
Eric and me especially
55:12
we have a responsibility to go in those spaces and address you
55:16
know these concerns
55:16
and we're it's hard work and a lot of them won't listen to me I
55:20
did just want to
55:20
say it's so great to have you here I've seen you and I've been
55:23
wanting to connect
55:25
and just I wanted to thank you so much for coming on some
55:27
flowers well the other
55:28
day she recognized no she recognized the other day she's like
55:32
she recognized that
55:33
was just something I wrote she's like can I help you with
55:35
anything and it's just
55:36
SPEAKER_02: like
55:37
SPEAKER_02: Little things like that mean so much.
55:38
I got just a wonderful message and just a message of support
55:42
just helps so much.
55:43
SPEAKER_02: And so I really appreciate that.
55:45
And I'm looking forward to bringing you in on some of these
55:47
more talks and having
55:48
SPEAKER_02: talks as we go forward.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: And thank you for all the work that you do.
55:51
SPEAKER_01: And we're going to have you on for a Notes of the Week here soon, too.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: I got your message before the show.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: I just wasn't able to respond.
55:57
SPEAKER_03: Don't worry about it.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: No, we're going to get you scheduled.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: Don't worry.
56:02
There's so much to talk about anyway that we have to have
56:04
multiple discussions on
56:06
all of this all of the time and that's part of our process is I
56:11
grew up in Vermont
56:13
like I grew up historically it was the whitest state in the
56:16
union but it was just
56:19
we didn't like we didn't know a lot of outside culture just
56:24
because we didn't have
56:25
it I got exposed to it when I grew up and got older and I
56:28
purposely exposed myself
56:30
SPEAKER_01: to it
56:31
We Need To Purposely Expose Other People To It Using Our Lived
56:37
Experiences And This
56:39
Hate Is Taught This Bigotry Is Taught We Can Get People To
56:43
Unlearn It And That's
56:44
Our Job You Know And We Need Harder To Reach We Have A
56:49
Responsibility To Yeah And
56:52
SPEAKER_01: We We The Three Men On This Show Have A Bigger Responsibility Than Anyone
56:59
to unlearn and teach it because we are being the majority of
57:05
the problem right now.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: There are others.
57:07
SPEAKER_01: There are.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: We will not exclude any of the folks who are being the problem.
57:11
SPEAKER_01: There are women.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: There are LGBTQ folks who are the problem.
57:15
SPEAKER_01: There are everyone.
57:18
SPEAKER_01: There are people on all spectrums and all sides.
57:21
SPEAKER_01: There are disabled people,
57:22
people with disabilities who are being the problem too that are
57:25
hurting their own
57:26
SPEAKER_01: community.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: We
57:28
need to stop allowing that in our spaces we need to start
57:33
pushing back vocally on
57:35
it because i'm done being hurt by people and then having them
57:38
go well you can't be
57:40
mad that i hurt you well yeah the fuck i can because your
57:44
policy is killing us your
57:46
policies are killing us and they're killing our friends and
57:49
they're killing our
57:50
SPEAKER_01: futures and it's not a it's no longer
57:55
A racial Divide it's no longer an age divide it's no longer a
57:59
demographic divide it
58:01
is us versus the ultra rich who are trying to kill all of us
58:06
because they want to
58:07
exploit us for the most profits out of our labor possible and
58:12
they don't give a
58:13
shit about us as people or individuals because we're just tools
58:18
and cogs in their
58:18
SPEAKER_00: fucking machine and just as a case example the district I live in
58:23
SPEAKER_00: They just had the special election for the state Senate seat in Florida,
58:27
SPEAKER_00: Palm Beach,
58:28
SPEAKER_00: you know,
58:29
SPEAKER_00: Palm Beach,
58:29
SPEAKER_00: Florida,
58:30
where the progressive Democratic candidate whipped the shit out
58:33
of the Trump
58:34
SPEAKER_00: candidate by 30 points.
58:37
SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm glad.
58:39
And these are people who have a lot of money,
58:41
more money than I could ever attain in a lifetime.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: And they pushed back and said no.
58:47
I want to say too we just have to stop playing by their rules
58:50
like the oppressors
58:50
rules we have no obligation to play by those rules those rules
58:53
are unfair and this
58:55
is another level we have to change our thinking not react all
58:58
the time and the
58:59
media is still reacting to all this shit we have to change it
59:01
overcome it change
59:02
the rules something that we where we can actually win can I
59:06
just say one thing I
59:08
know I know you want me to promote myself but I do want to say
59:11
one thing no before
59:12
SPEAKER_01: you promote yourself yeah
59:13
SPEAKER_03: There are people in the chat actually agreeing with the point.
59:17
They understand there is this Gen X divide between younger Gen
59:22
Xers and older Gen Xers.
59:24
SPEAKER_03: And it is an economic battle.
59:27
But that's how it was framed in the 70s around economics when
59:31
Black people started
59:32
moving into white neighborhoods after the Civil Rights Act of
59:37
1968 was signed,
59:39
SPEAKER_03: which was mainly around
59:41
SPEAKER_03: being able to buy homes.
59:43
And that's when the majority of the black flight from the from
59:48
the inner city happened.
59:49
SPEAKER_03: Now,
59:49
SPEAKER_03: that wasn't in my family's case,
59:51
SPEAKER_03: like my family were suburban,
59:54
SPEAKER_03: brought their homes before 1968.
59:56
But the majority and majority of black people who moved into
1:00:01
the suburbs left after
1:00:03
1968 when they were legally protected and didn't have to go
1:00:07
through the shell games
1:00:08
SPEAKER_03: of like having a white person
1:00:11
Pretend to be them to buy their home and then and then sign it
1:00:15
and then they had to
1:00:15
sign it over there was a lot of show games for for black people
1:00:19
specifically and
1:00:21
even brown people to buy homes in the suburbs before 1968 and I
1:00:27
know this is more
1:00:27
SPEAKER_03: of like
1:00:28
more nuanced stuff that we don't have time for but I do think
1:00:32
it's also important
1:00:33
anytime we talk about economics we cannot leave out race
1:00:38
because after the black
1:00:40
professionals moved out of those neighborhoods in the in the
1:00:44
1960s especially after
1:00:46
SPEAKER_03: 1968 those neighborhoods lost jobs they lost their communities and
1:00:53
what do you think happened in the 1980s late 70s early 80s
1:00:57
economic depression and
1:00:59
those neighborhoods are now gentrified with people who are
1:01:02
black who have the who
1:01:04
SPEAKER_03: had the upward mobility to move
1:01:08
back into those black neighborhoods and black and for people
1:01:11
who are not born in
1:01:12
SPEAKER_03: the United States and white people who are all gentrifiers,
1:01:16
SPEAKER_03: not because of race,
1:01:17
SPEAKER_03: but because of economics,
1:01:18
because black people can be gentrifiers if they're not from
1:01:21
that community and they
1:01:22
SPEAKER_03: have the money to move in and move out the poor people.
1:01:25
So just want to make that also clear,
1:01:28
too,
1:01:29
because it's not just about race is also about class.
1:01:33
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SPEAKER_03: You should see the Facebook post that I posted.
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SPEAKER_03: I said if disability orgs are not saying anything about voting rights,
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SPEAKER_03: then you don't care about disability rights,
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SPEAKER_03: justice,
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SPEAKER_03: or liberation.
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SPEAKER_03: We got to do better.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'm starting to see the post now, but...
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SPEAKER_01: It'll get there.
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SPEAKER_01: We're going to get there.
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SPEAKER_01: We're getting this machine turning.
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SPEAKER_01: Someone who does that really well, Walter.
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SPEAKER_01: Promote yourself, my friend.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's so great.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad to have had these conversations.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I get that same sense.
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I get really angry sometimes at the actions I see that aren't
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being taken.
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And I do have to remind myself to take a deep breath because I
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do appreciate these
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SPEAKER_02: wonderful communities and all the support that I get.
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SPEAKER_02: And it really is a lot and it's overwhelming.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, find me on I'd Rather Be Writing.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a whole list of discount tiers.
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SPEAKER_02: Anything you can offer really helps.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean...
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You know we're deliberately suppressed this kind of group here
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it's deliberately
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suppressed like we said it's the same robber barons they own
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the media they don't
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want the truth to get out there they don't want people to know
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that they have power
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they don't want everybody to know how desperate this
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authoritarian regime actually
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SPEAKER_02: is
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I'll be on in a little while with Sherry Dunn and Ellie Leonard
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that starts at one
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so I'll see you again but until then thank you for being here
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everybody thank you
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Okay everybody again I did not have a I changed my stats so I
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do now have a
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subscriber function but this is what I'm doing with it so what
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we're doing at least
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what I'm going to be doing is supporting younger more
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independent creators for
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every annual subscription which I've priced it down to $30 I am
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going to match and
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that's going into a fund which we're working out the details on
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how to set that up
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Me and a couple other people and we're going to be creating
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some sort of mentorship
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internship type for younger creators to get them going as an
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independent creator to
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be able to give them a stipend to be able to have them be at
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least make a living
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and trying to do this so I will be matching every annual
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subscription that's paid
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for under me goes into a fund so that we're getting everybody
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so that younger
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SPEAKER_00: creators will be getting a two for one deposit
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and just trying to build out an independent creator network you
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can also find my
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stuff on my Substack here and also all my writings at Blue Ant
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Media where I am
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doing all my medical writing and my last piece on Palantir and
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how it's involving
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how it's embedded itself into HHS my new one is on Maha and God
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help us that's the
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new one coming out it's on Maha and Eugenics Nick I thought
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you'd get a nice little
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SPEAKER_00: taste there
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Yeah,
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as a person with a disability,
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I am definitely not down for eugenics.
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Don't forget the SSI and SNAP rules that they also wanted to
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try to implement now too.
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This article is more about our wonderful friend Peter Thiel and
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how he's basically
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SPEAKER_00: loaded up HHS,
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SPEAKER_00: CDC,
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SPEAKER_00: FDA with all his little crony little
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fuck sticks and keep everybody everybody everybody keeps
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forgetting our vice
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president is one of his disciples and you know these are the
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people that are
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pulling the strings on how to basically continue to keep us
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sick and to kill us so
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yeah it's money for them right it's profitable to keep us to
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not give us health
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SPEAKER_00: care so yeah there you go
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And they want to prophetize war crimes too Alex Karp out here
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saying that war
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crimes if we made war crimes legal we'd be more profitable We
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didn't even get to
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the EPA decision that they released yesterday either on testing
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groundwater for
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SPEAKER_00: like for misoprostol metabolites Great
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yeah that's a whole nother topic let's get these people the
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fuck out let's get them
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out pressure we're going to continue upping the ante and upping
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the pressure and
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elevate good people don't just react to the bad ones we have to
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elevate the good
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ones absolutely we have to do that and so come join me here at
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Sick of this Shit
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SPEAKER_01: Publications where I'm trying to elevate good people and I'm trying to
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Elevate other platforms while building my own and getting my
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platform elevated so
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y'all's voices have a home too because I like listening to what
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you guys have to
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say and I'm learning and I'm trying to be better every time and
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better every week
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and so come join us for our disability discussions where my
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chronically illing out
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show where we were open about our disabilities and what it's
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like to live with them
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for our experiences and we bring others on to talk about their
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experiences
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and we cross experiences so that we know each other and we get
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to understand that
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we're all closer together and we do our masculinity discussions
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and our huge
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SPEAKER_01: pro-progressive but pro-human conversations more so than anything is the
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pro-humanity and the better humaning so come join me if you can
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SPEAKER_01: different price ranges they are included in all of my show notes
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and most of those is I think those discount codes are both
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come subscribe it really helps as we go I'm building out some
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managing things much more easily and distribute our content
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will tag Dana and
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Naida at the end in our post show so that they're both included
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in this and you can
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find them in their pages again thanks everyone for being here
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for this week's
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Diogenes Club I know we're missing Evan he's going to be out
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for just a couple
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SPEAKER_01: weeks he's
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He Needs A Quick Break To Rest And Recoup And Just A Little Bit
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International Next
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Week International Next Week International And I Will Be On The
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Show From Bremen
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SPEAKER_00: Germany Everybody So I'm Going To Be In A Time Lapse
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we'll have our first congressional candidate on next week as
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well for our show and
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then the following week we're working on getting Jessica Denson
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back she was
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supposed to be on today with us she had a conflict that came up
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we're going to get
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her back and on the show she's reached out to both Walter and I
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so we are going to
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have her on soon so don't worry everyone we'll see Jessica
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Denson here soon because
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she's awesome too like kind of geek out moment to get to meet
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her that's going to
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SPEAKER_01: be really cool so thanks everyone
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let's stop being sick of this shit here and let's start doing
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this shit go have a
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good week y'all we'll see you again next week for another
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Diogenes Club and yeah
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SPEAKER_01: just remember just suck less