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The Kenny Report | 11 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Global markets plummeting and economic uncertainty spreading as Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: engages in trade wars and who's leading the charge for
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  Speaker 2: Australia only Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Labour's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, missing in action on
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism and missing in action on keeping criminal non citizens.
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  Speaker 3: In detention, but trying to score.
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  Speaker 2: A political point out of the alarming caravan of explosives
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  Speaker 2: episode Gas gas gas, It's.
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  Speaker 3: Everywhere in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: We're one of the world's largest exporters, yet Victoria wants
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  Speaker 2: to import gas?
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  Speaker 3: What level of madness is this? All that?
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  Speaker 2: Plenty more Christen Tate in the US, Stephen Sane Tempo
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  Speaker 2: and Susio O'Brien here and one of the best footy
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  Speaker 2: lines you'll ever hear.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get into all the damaging nonsense between Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and Malcolm Turnbull in a moment, but let me start
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  Speaker 2: with the big picture that really matters. The tariff wars
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  Speaker 2: are already unsettling the global economy and the uncertainty of
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  Speaker 2: Trump two point zero is already being marked down big
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  Speaker 2: time by one of the President's favorite measures, the stock market.
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  Speaker 2: Investors are nervous about trade wars, sparking price increases, cranking
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  Speaker 2: up inflation, and ultimately plunging the US into recession. Wall
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  Speaker 2: Street had its biggest drop for about six months yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: with the S and P five hundred now almost nine
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  Speaker 2: percent down on its peak from last month.
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  Speaker 1: We begin to mate with the stock market plunging after
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  Speaker 1: President Trump said he would not rule out the possibility
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  Speaker 1: of a recession. The uncertainty rattling investors, rattling Americans from
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street to Main Street, already on edge over the
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  Speaker 1: presidents on again off again tariffs with Mexico, Canada, and China,
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  Speaker 1: with other countries on his tariff list beginning April second. Today,
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  Speaker 1: the Dow plunging nearly nine hundred points, down more than
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  Speaker 1: two percent today. The Dow now down four percent since
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  Speaker 1: President Trump was elected, the tech heavy Nasdaq index falling
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  Speaker 1: four percent just today, it's worst one day plunge in
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  Speaker 1: nearly three years, now losing about one trillion in value.
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  Speaker 1: The President has said we're in a period of transition
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  Speaker 1: and that it quote takes a little time.
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  Speaker 2: The nervousness spread around the world and across the Pacific
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  Speaker 2: to Australia, where our markets are especially worried about our
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  Speaker 2: sluggish economy, debt lighten federal budget, high government spending, high taxes,
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  Speaker 2: high energy costs, and a reregulated labor market to the picture.
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  Speaker 2: If you add that in and the looming elections spend
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  Speaker 2: this on, of course, and the prospects of sustainable economic
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  Speaker 2: growth here look bleak. Our stock market dropped more than
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  Speaker 2: a percentage point today before rallying up a bit, finishing
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  Speaker 2: down zero point nine of one percent, but more than
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  Speaker 2: six percent.
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  Speaker 3: Down on last month.
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  Speaker 2: All eyes will be on Wall Street tonight, where the
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  Speaker 2: lattest futures markets are pretty flat. There are many factors
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  Speaker 2: at play, but the biggest is Donald Trump's aggressive imposition
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  Speaker 2: of tariffs. We all thought the economic argument between protectionists
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  Speaker 2: and free traders was won by the free traders, As
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  Speaker 2: the Great Ronald Reagan explained decades ago.
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  Speaker 4: You see, at first, when someone says, let's impose tariffs
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  Speaker 4: on foreign imports, it looks like they're doing the patriotic
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  Speaker 4: thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for
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  Speaker 4: a short while it works, but only for a short time.
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  Speaker 4: What eventually occurs is first homegrown industry start relying on
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  Speaker 4: government protection in the form of high tariffs, They stop
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  Speaker 4: competing and stop making the innovative management and technological changes
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  Speaker 4: they need to succeed in world markets. And then all
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  Speaker 4: this is going on, something even worse occurs. Hey tariffs
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  Speaker 4: inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering
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  Speaker 4: of fierce trade wars.
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  Speaker 3: But Reagan Conservatism seems.
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  Speaker 2: A thing of the past in twenty twenty five, with
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  Speaker 2: Trump slapping tariffs on friends and foes alike. Steel and
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  Speaker 2: Ali will tariff's come to force this week and Australia
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  Speaker 2: is yet to win an exemption. And as I showed
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  Speaker 2: you last night, Turnbull couldn't help playing himself into the issue,
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  Speaker 2: claiming that Trump was playing into China's hands.
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  Speaker 5: Trump does not subscribe to the same values that we
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  Speaker 5: have in the past shared with America. Look, he doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have a commitment to the international rule of law, that's obvious.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't care about treaties or alliances. You know, he's got
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  Speaker 5: a free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico, which he
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  Speaker 5: entered into. By the way, he signed it, then he's
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  Speaker 5: just walked away from that.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, the US President hit back, telling the
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  Speaker 2: world that Turnbull led his wonderful country from behind, that
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  Speaker 2: he never understood China, and that he was a weak
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  Speaker 2: and ineffective leader. Turnbull couldn't let that slide. He was
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  Speaker 2: quickly out again on his preferred media platform, the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: sticking it to Trump again.
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  Speaker 5: I do not believe you should give in to bullies
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  Speaker 5: right now. What Trump's Trump wants people to suck up
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  Speaker 5: to him and to be sickophantic. And I have dealt
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  Speaker 5: with Trump in the past. I mean, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: fact is I stood up to Trump and got him
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  Speaker 5: to do things he didn't want to do because I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't being bullied by him. Most of the people, pretty
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  Speaker 5: much all the people I've seen international leaders that have
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  Speaker 5: sucked up to Trump and been sickophants have been run over.
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  Speaker 2: The trouble here is that while these two gigantic egos
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  Speaker 2: trade barbs, the real issue of steel tariffs and our exemption.
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  Speaker 3: Lies in the balance.
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  Speaker 2: And have a listen to the indignation from Turnbull when
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  Speaker 2: even the ABC gently suggested it might have been best
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  Speaker 2: for him to stay stum just for now.
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  Speaker 3: Is it easier and.
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  Speaker 6: Better for Australia in this acute moment when the tariff
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  Speaker 6: decision is obviously being made, if diplomacists are given the
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  Speaker 6: maximum opportunity to operate behind closed doors without your intervention.
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  Speaker 5: I never thought i'd have to defend free speech here
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  Speaker 5: on the seven point thirty report. And I'm glad you're you're, you're,
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  Speaker 5: you're a.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit embarrassed raising that with me, Sally.
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  Speaker 7: Is this where we've got that we've become or you know,
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  Speaker 7: is the ABC becomes so pusilanimous that you're seriously suggesting
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  Speaker 7: that we shouldn't be free to speak the truth in
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  Speaker 7: Australia for fear of Donald Trump? Is that is that
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  Speaker 7: the depths you've sunk to.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting providing commentary about the ABC, but this
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  Speaker 8: interview you are I.
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  Speaker 7: Got the same line from Sarah ferguson last night. I
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  Speaker 7: think it really troubled me. I believe in the ABC,
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  Speaker 7: I believe in freedom of speech, I believe in Australia,
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  Speaker 7: and I believe in standing up for Australia. And I
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  Speaker 7: think I'm sorry, apparently you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't, Oh dear, what was that about bullying? Look?
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  Speaker 2: I once worked for Malcolm Turnbull, so I know him well.
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  Speaker 2: This is all about him. It won't help Australia one iota.
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  Speaker 2: Another crucial person on this issue is Kevin Rudd, our
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  Speaker 2: ambassador in the US, another.
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  Speaker 3: Bloke I've seen up close and personal.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow he's supposed to win this tariff concession from Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, Turnbul and Rudd, once political enemies, are so
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  Speaker 2: similar we once made a documentary here based on their similarities.
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  Speaker 2: These are enemies and aggressive rivals for Kevin Rudd and
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull.
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  Speaker 3: It was kill or be killed. Yet now if not
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  Speaker 3: conray in arms, they're the most unlikely of frenemies. How
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  Speaker 3: has this happened and why?
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  Speaker 2: Over six decades rud and Turnbull's live share uncanny similarities.
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  Speaker 2: Two driven, talented men, two egos, two prime ministers, men
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  Speaker 2: in the mirror.
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  Speaker 3: So just think about this for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: At a really precarious time for the global economy, and
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  Speaker 2: at a time of great strategic risk, Australia's relationship with
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  Speaker 2: our greatest security ally and economic partner is in the
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  Speaker 2: hands of these two former prime ministers.
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  Speaker 3: Turnbull because he insists.
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  Speaker 2: On sticking his nose in it and Rudd because Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi was silly enough to send him to Washington. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: our national political debate would always be better off without
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  Speaker 2: the bitterness and score settling we've seen over the years
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  Speaker 2: from both of them, and would all be best served
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  Speaker 2: if both of them parked their egos now park them
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  Speaker 2: aside and focused on the national interest. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: way they all reckon that Donald Trump should do. Labour's
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  Speaker 2: recklessness and indolence on national security has been laid bare
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  Speaker 2: again by their Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke as he's
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  Speaker 2: tried to score political points over the caravan of explosives investigation.
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  Speaker 2: As we discussed last night, police have now confirmed this
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  Speaker 2: was not a planned anti Semitic terrorism plot as was feared,
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  Speaker 2: but rather it turns out to be a criminally fabricated hoax,
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  Speaker 2: and one that was linked to other hate speech and
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  Speaker 2: graffiti and arson attacks. Welcome news to a degree, but
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  Speaker 2: still a highly worrying situation, one that remains a little unclear,
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  Speaker 2: one that involves explosives, arson attacks, anti Semitic bile and
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  Speaker 2: ongoing investigations. But Burke was today trying to suggest the
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  Speaker 2: Opposition leader had taken it too seriously.
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  Speaker 9: Asio had publicly talked about lowering the temperature. We were
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  Speaker 9: publicly saying he should get a briefing from the Australian
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  Speaker 9: Federal Police. Peter Dutton made a decision to avoid the
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  Speaker 9: Australian Federal Police and to ignore the public advice at Asio.
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  Speaker 9: You if you're that concerned about self promotion, you can't
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  Speaker 9: be trusted with national security.
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  Speaker 3: Now this is pretty rich, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: A Home Affairs minister who's been missing in action on
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism when we've had eighteen months of bile and
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  Speaker 2: hatred and threats and protests, as well as criminal acts
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  Speaker 2: directed at the Australian Jewish population, and yet now he
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  Speaker 2: tries to attack the coalition for stoking fears over a
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  Speaker 2: caravan filled with explosives.
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  Speaker 3: Really, when the police was saying.
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  Speaker 10: This, this is certainly an escalation of that with the
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  Speaker 10: use of explosives that have the potential to cause a
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  Speaker 10: great deal of damage.
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  Speaker 2: And when the New South Wales premiere, a labor man
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  Speaker 2: and colleague of Burke's, was saying this.
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  Speaker 11: This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event.
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  Speaker 12: There's only one way of calling it out, and that
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  Speaker 12: is terrorism.
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  Speaker 2: Were they over egging it too, along with Burke's own
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister who was saying this.
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  Speaker 13: And I want any perpetrators to be hunted down and
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  Speaker 13: locked up. It's as simple as that they have no
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  Speaker 13: place in this sort of engagement. It's designed to create
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  Speaker 13: fear and terror in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what was going on. That was what was
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  Speaker 2: being said. But Burke says Dutton was too strong on
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  Speaker 2: this case. And Burke this Home Affairs minister who brings
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  Speaker 2: people in from Gaza without thorough security checks. He attacks
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  Speaker 2: the coalition.
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  Speaker 9: That's one of my that's my chief objection to how
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  Speaker 9: Peter Duttah handled all this because he deliberately avoided being briefed,
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  Speaker 9: even when we kept saying that he should be getting
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  Speaker 9: a briefing.
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  Speaker 2: But Tony Birk knows that coalition sought and got briefings
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  Speaker 2: from the AFP and ASIO from the day after this
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  Speaker 2: disturbing case was made public, and he tries to make
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  Speaker 2: this attack when his own Prime minister has steadfastly refused
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  Speaker 2: to reveal when or even if he was advised before
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  Speaker 2: this episode was made public.
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  Speaker 13: The idea that you make public pronouncements about something that
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  Speaker 13: is an ongoing investigation is of course entirely inappropriate because
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  Speaker 13: they the police have made very clear both state and
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  Speaker 13: federal the priority is, says ongoing investigations. I would not
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  Speaker 13: brea I have not said that. I have said that,
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  Speaker 13: I do not comment. I can't be clearer. I can
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  Speaker 13: say it the same way. You know that I said yesterday.
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  Speaker 13: I'll say the same thing tomorrow. I do not talk
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  Speaker 13: about operational matters for an ongoing investigation.
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  Speaker 2: On the contrary, the Prime Minister could have been clearer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So if we need to know about briefings, it's about
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  Speaker 2: what the Prime Minister knew and when no wonder Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton hit back today.
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  Speaker 8: There is a home goal here by Tony Burke, and
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  Speaker 8: I think the Prime Minister needs to add some questions
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  Speaker 8: about when he was advised of this being a hoax,
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  Speaker 8: and the Premier of New South Wales I know that
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  Speaker 8: New South Wales police advised at one point that the
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  Speaker 8: caravan and the explosives that were found in the caravan
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  Speaker 8: had the potential to have a forty meter blastome So
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  Speaker 8: I just think Tony Burke here is trying to find
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  Speaker 8: political opportunity out of a national security issue and frankly
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  Speaker 8: you should stand condemned.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If Tony Burke says the Coalition should have known this
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  Speaker 2: was a fabricated.
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  Speaker 3: Plot, then how long has he known and why was.
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  Speaker 2: The public not told? What grubby politicking labor do look
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  Speaker 2: pretty desperate, don't they. And what sickens me is that
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  Speaker 2: Burke has been far more animated over this than he
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  Speaker 2: ever has been over the ugly, hateful and frightening anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism that's gripped this country over the past year and
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  Speaker 2: a half. Now I'll follow up on those big stories
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  Speaker 2: with the National's leader David Littlproud and others in just
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  Speaker 2: a minute, But first let me share a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of light that's just been peeking through the darkness in
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  Speaker 2: the news of late. As conditions ease in Queensland and
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  Speaker 2: northern New South Wales, there's plenty of cleaning up going
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  Speaker 2: on and plenty of fixing up too, And there've been
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  Speaker 2: plenty of hard luck stories like Alan on the Gold Coast,
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  Speaker 2: who's roof caved in and it's just like a big
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  Speaker 2: black line across the ceiling and next minute Bank then
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  Speaker 2: the camp and he missed me by a couple of feet,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 11: So yeah, it is incredibly lucky that you're okay and
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  Speaker 11: at the moment, obviously you've had a string of bad luck.
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  Speaker 11: You've got a broken back right now. Tell me about
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  Speaker 11: some of the other struggles you've faced.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you just have to name him. Virus is not
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  Speaker 3: well either, and just yeah, you.
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  Speaker 6: Just have to.
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  Speaker 3: Just keep going. It's all good. I mean, I suppose
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  Speaker 3: we're still upright.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a feel for Alan on ten years
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  Speaker 2: last night, A harrowing story a family upon really tough times.
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  Speaker 2: It never rains at pause, of course, but have a
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  Speaker 2: listened to how he finds a glimmer of hope.
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  Speaker 11: And you've been talking about making light of this situation.
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  Speaker 11: Tell me what was one good thing that happened to
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  Speaker 11: you yesterday afternoon?
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  Speaker 3: Collingwood lost. I just love it. There's no day so
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  Speaker 3: dark that a Collingwood loss brighten it up. Brilliant stuff. Alan.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope things get better for you and your wife
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  Speaker 3: and not for the pies.
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  Speaker 2: More energy madness out of Victoria now, with that state
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  Speaker 2: looking to build liquid natural gas terminals to import gas
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  Speaker 2: into the state, possibly from elsewhere in Australia, despite of
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  Speaker 2: course Australia being one of the world's largest gas exporters
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  Speaker 2: and Victoria's sitting on loads of the stuff. Let's bring
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  Speaker 2: in Samantha McCulloch. She's with the Australian Energy Producers. She's
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  Speaker 2: the CEO joining me from Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: This story just stood out to me as an absolutely
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  Speaker 2: stark example of the madness of foot in this country,
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  Speaker 2: because we know there are bountiful gas reserves right as
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  Speaker 2: across Victoria on the coast and on the under the
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  Speaker 2: land as well. Yet Victoria won't exploit any of that.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking to somehow waste billions of dollars trying to
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  Speaker 2: import it.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Hi, Chris, Yes, yeah, absolutely right. It does seem
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  Speaker 15: like such an absurd situation, doesn't it. Where Australia, which
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  Speaker 15: has been blessed with abundant gas resources. We're a gas
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  Speaker 15: rich nation, we have plenty of gas. To be contemplating
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  Speaker 15: importing gas into Victoria is really an example of a
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  Speaker 15: spectacular policy failure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom line is, even if you could make this
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  Speaker 2: worse work, right and say we were liquefying gas from
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  Speaker 2: the Northwest Shore and then shipping it around to Victoria
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  Speaker 2: and then offloading it there and turning it back into
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  Speaker 2: gas with all the transport and processing costs there and
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  Speaker 2: building the.
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  Speaker 3: Infrastructure to bring it on. Well, of course that's going
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  Speaker 3: to increase the cost, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 15: The A Triple C has already pointed to this in
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  Speaker 15: its most recent report, highlighting that imported LNG is likely
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  Speaker 15: to be at higher cost for consumers. It provides a
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  Speaker 15: direct linkage into the international market, exposing the domestic market,
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  Speaker 15: or making the domestic market more vulnerable to global developments
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  Speaker 15: and any price volatility that we might see in global markets.
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  Speaker 15: And of course when you're liquefying LNG, I mean this
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  Speaker 15: is a process, there's far more handling. You need to
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  Speaker 15: freeze that gas to temperatures of minus one hundred and
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  Speaker 15: sixty degrees. That's an energy intensive process. It adds costs.
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  Speaker 15: It would be far more cost effective to be developing
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  Speaker 15: the gas that's under our feet in Victoria and ensuring
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  Speaker 15: that that gas is available to Victorian households and manufacturers.
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  Speaker 2: Look, you know, through my childhood and early adult life,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Victoria was always the manufacturing hub of Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and that was because of its cheap energy. It's brown
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  Speaker 2: coal and it's a boutiful gas from the Bass straight
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  Speaker 2: now just just confirmed for me though everything I've read
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  Speaker 2: on this that there's absolutely no doubt is there that
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  Speaker 2: in the waters off Victoria and indeed on the land
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  Speaker 2: across southeast to Australia, there is plentiful gas there right
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  Speaker 2: it's only the government bands that are stopping people exploring it.
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  Speaker 15: So, Chris, what we're seeing in the Gippsland basin, those
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  Speaker 15: mature fields that have been producing for decades now they
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  Speaker 15: are in decline. And we've known about this for some
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  Speaker 15: time and that's why it's so critical that we can
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  Speaker 15: go and explore and develop new sources of gas.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly that's of gas in yep So.
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  Speaker 15: But in a sense in Victoria, what have we seen.
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  Speaker 15: We've had a decade of bands and moratoriums on gas
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  Speaker 15: exploration and development. We've got a government that's been demonizing gas,
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  Speaker 15: that's told the gas industry it's investment, it's not welcome.
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  Speaker 15: And now are at the point where they've been so
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  Speaker 15: effective in blocking gas development that Victorians will need to
• 20:07
  Speaker 15: rely on imported LNG. And now we've seen the reports
• 20:11
  Speaker 15: today where the Victorian government is now asking Commonwealth taxpayers
• 20:17
  Speaker 15: to underwrite these facilities at no point are they looking
• 20:21
  Speaker 15: and focusing on what would be a sustainable long term
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: solution to gas supply, which is investing in the development
• 20:27
  Speaker 15: of their own gas resources.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Spot on, Samantha. It's just unbelievable.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks for explaining that to a Samantha McCulloch there from
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the austral Australian Energy Producers Group.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: This is just madness in this country. So this is
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: a country, especially on.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The East Coast, you're sitting on coal and gas just
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: about wherever you are. Not to mention the gas off
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the Northwest Shelf, we've got the more uranium reserves and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: just about anywhere in the world. The rest of the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: world wants to use all this stuff and is using
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: this stuff, but we're not going to use it ourselves.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: We're going to have a Chris Bowen and a bunch
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of windmills around the coast.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: That won't work. Absolute energy madness and self harm just continues.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Now let's get back.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: To this issue of the caravan of explosives and anti semitism,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and as we discussed last night, police have now confirmed
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that that caravan of explosives found in Sydney's Northwest back
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: in January was not a planned anti Semitic terrorism plot
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: as was feared, but rather it turns out to be
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a criminally fabricated hoax and one link to other hate
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: speech and graffiti and arson attacks directed at Jewish organizations.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But that hasn't stopped Labour's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: trying to score political points.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: He is more of that minister from today.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: He wanted to make sure that he could stoke the
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: most fear and in doing so he was running the
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: exact script that organized crime wanted him to run.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, Tony Burke. I've had my say
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: on him. I think it's reprehensible what he's been doing today.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But let's go to Alex Rivchin, the Executive Council of Australian.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Jury joining us from Sidney.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: First up, Alex, there's got to be some element of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: relief that this was not a planned mess casualty event,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: but rather an event designed I suppose indirectly to spark
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: fear into the heart of so many people.
• 22:17
  Speaker 16: Well, look on some perhaps superficial level, I think people
• 22:20
  Speaker 16: are relieved that there wasn't an active plan to detonate
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: a caravan full of explosives, which would have been a
• 22:26
  Speaker 16: mass casualty event and transform this country. So fortunately that's
• 22:29
  Speaker 16: not what was intended with this. But at the same time,
• 22:32
  Speaker 16: the community has been grappling with an antisemitism crisis for
• 22:34
  Speaker 16: seventeen months now, dealing with more predictable political n idiological foes,
• 22:40
  Speaker 16: and now to have this elaborate organized crime ring with
• 22:44
  Speaker 16: some elusive kingpin that remains at large, perhaps in Australia,
• 22:48
  Speaker 16: perhaps pulling the strings from abroad, paying operatives locally to
• 22:52
  Speaker 16: carry out terrorist attacks domestically. I can't say that that
• 22:56
  Speaker 16: revelation will calm people's anxiety at the moment, because I
• 22:59
  Speaker 16: think it just adds another dose of uncertainty and complexity
• 23:03
  Speaker 16: to what's already happening in our society.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's no doubt about that. We've seen
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: what's happened. We've seen the fire bombings, we've seen the graffiti,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: we've seen the attacks and whoever was conducting these and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it was also designed to strike fear
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and hatred into the Jewish community. So are you getting
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: any further information from police or authorities, because you must
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: have a million questions for them.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: We do.
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: We have a lot of questions, and I think everything
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: that's been revealed by the police. While we commend them
• 23:34
  Speaker 16: for their work and getting us to this point, I
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: think it's raised more questions than it's answered. We don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 16: know which of the fire bombing attacks, including the one
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: on my former home, the incineration of a childcare center,
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: the attacks on vehicles is of course the dust Israel
• 23:48
  Speaker 16: fire in Melbourne, which of these a link to organized crime,
• 23:52
  Speaker 16: Whether perpetrators remain at large, whether there's an ongoing threat
• 23:55
  Speaker 16: to the community arising from these sorts of attacks. There's
• 23:58
  Speaker 16: a lot of questions that need to be answered. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 16: think it's a good thing that people are in custody,
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: but we're seeing again elements that are extremely concerning and troubling.
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: We know we have political and ide logical foes in
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: this country, but now to see organized, hardened criminals perpetrating
• 24:14
  Speaker 16: acts of violence for a whole other set of motives,
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: it's deeply troubling.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are enormous concerns here, and I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: think some people have been too flippant about it because
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you only have to look at organized crime in New
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: South Wales and it wasn't that long ago.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: The organized crime.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Squad was called the Middle East Crime Squad in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: New South Wales Police Force, so there are over these
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: connections there, and we've seen a lot of links between
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Sydney based organized criminals and the Middle East. So there
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: could be a horrible overlap here between criminal intent of
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: other kinds and antisemitism.
• 24:50
  Speaker 16: And I think there's elements of our society that have
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: never wanted to admit that there's an antisemitism crisis, have
• 24:56
  Speaker 16: never wanted to grapple with it. They found it to
• 24:59
  Speaker 16: be an inconvenient truth, and I think the revelations by
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: the police and their investigation has given them the pretext,
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: perhaps an excuse to brush aside antisemitism and pretend that
• 25:08
  Speaker 16: what's transpired in our streets and in our cities for
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: the past seventeen months hasn't happened. But the crisis, let
• 25:13
  Speaker 16: me assure you, is ongoing and it's just become more
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: complex and more challenging, and we need government and law
• 25:20
  Speaker 16: enforcement to keep their eyes on the ball because there's
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: something terrible of foot in this country.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need more information from the authorities as well.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Alex. I appreciate Alex
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Rivkin there from the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: We've got to take a break. I'll be catching up
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: with the Nationals.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Leader David little Proud after this break. I asked him
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: about Matt Kean, the former Liberal Treasurer who's bagging the Liberals'
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: nuclear policies.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: See what David little Proud makes of his old mate.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Lots happening, lots to get through. I want to take
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: it up with the man who would be Deputy.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, the Nationals leader, David Little Proud, join him
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: here on the desk.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Good to see you, David. He could to be with.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: First up, Malcolm Turnbull.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Is he deliberately trying to undermine Australia's chances of getting
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a tariff exemption?
• 26:06
  Speaker 17: Well, look, I'm surprised President Trump even acknowledged any words
• 26:10
  Speaker 17: that he added to be candid with you. But when
• 26:12
  Speaker 17: you look at it, I think the real threat has
• 26:14
  Speaker 17: been Anthony Alberanezi and Kevin Rudd both have made disparaging
• 26:18
  Speaker 17: remarks about President Trump previously, and there's no way in
• 26:21
  Speaker 17: the world that President Trump, when he gets a brief
• 26:24
  Speaker 17: on Orcas or on trade with Australia, that those comments
• 26:27
  Speaker 17: aren't put in front of him by an advisor. They're
• 26:30
  Speaker 17: paid to give him that advice about what the leader
• 26:33
  Speaker 17: of Australia has said about him previously and what their
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: current ambassador has said. And so we're in a predicament
• 26:39
  Speaker 17: and we have a compelling case to get a carve
• 26:41
  Speaker 17: out one that we got in twenty eighteen. Were now
• 26:44
  Speaker 17: handed over a check for nearly eight hundred million dollars
• 26:47
  Speaker 17: for the first down payment on submarines. You would have
• 26:51
  Speaker 17: thought that's a fair installment on Australia being carved out.
• 26:55
  Speaker 17: That's despite the fact that the United States enjoys a
• 26:57
  Speaker 17: very large trading surplus with not that we're worried about that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: This has been a mutually beneficial arrangement.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't Anthony Albernezi be on the blower to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Well, why wouldn't Richard Marles be going to Washington?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: The Trade Minister Don Farrell, He's not even in Washington.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: We're leaving it up to Kevin Rudd. Is there anybody
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in the labor cabinet who actually trust that Ruds the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: one to deliver for them?
• 27:21
  Speaker 17: Well, there's just no sense of urgency or understanding the
• 27:23
  Speaker 17: impact this will have on Australia, and the fact that
• 27:26
  Speaker 17: there is an opportunity for us to leverage the position
• 27:29
  Speaker 17: that we've been able to garner in a bipartisan way
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: for generations with the United States, and the fact there's
• 27:35
  Speaker 17: no urgency about the Trade Minister sitting back in Adelaide
• 27:38
  Speaker 17: rather than on a plane to the United States talking
• 27:41
  Speaker 17: to the US Trade Advisor and putting him straight on
• 27:44
  Speaker 17: some of these facts. We're prepared to do whatever we believe.
• 27:48
  Speaker 17: This should be bipartisan, this should be about Team Australia.
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: But unfortunately we've got a lot to make up when
• 27:55
  Speaker 17: we've got three key players that have come that have
• 27:58
  Speaker 17: been out and are still coming out making disparaging comments.
• 28:01
  Speaker 17: When we want to we want to return to the
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: World Order of free trade. It's done Australia well, it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: done the United States well, and we should return to
• 28:10
  Speaker 17: that and that should be our premise of everything we
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: say and do in this country and in the United States.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend I don't have strong views
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: about the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burkham. I think he's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: been negligent and he's just been missing in action when
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: it comes to anti Semitism.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Over the past eight eight months.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: We know he was also negligent with others in the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: not having proper security checks for people given visas.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: From guardsa no less.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yet now he's out there and we also know the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: strife that've had keeping criminal non citizens in detention, so
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: an absolutely appalling record. Yet today he accuses Peter Dutton
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the Coalition of amping up the caravan of explosive story.
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: Well, this is beyond desperate.
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: They've gone beyond desperation as a Labor Party in trying
• 28:55
  Speaker 17: to try to tear down Peter Dutton. They'll do anything
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: to tear down his character. Australian people they want strong
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: leadership and they want ideas. But when you get that desperate,
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: when you actually orchestrate to say that Peter Dutton didn't
• 29:09
  Speaker 17: ask for a briefing. In fact, briefing was provided to
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: the Coalition and never never was the words uttered to
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: him that this wasn't anything other than terrorism. In fact,
• 29:18
  Speaker 17: the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister and the State Premiere
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: of New South Wales both said this was an act
• 29:24
  Speaker 17: of terror. Now, why would you go back and politicize
• 29:27
  Speaker 17: that this is just an act of political desperation? By
• 29:30
  Speaker 17: Tony Burke, and it's not what the Australian people want.
• 29:33
  Speaker 17: They expect us to be better and bigger than that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 17: And I can tell you Peter Dutton has someone that
• 29:40
  Speaker 17: has integrity but also has a track record in keeping
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: Australian safe. And when you've got people that'll do this
• 29:46
  Speaker 17: nation harm and it's people harm, you want someone strong,
• 29:49
  Speaker 17: not someone weak and that it's some of the car
• 29:51
  Speaker 17: on the corner and make stuff up. You want someone
• 29:54
  Speaker 17: that's going to stand by the Australian people and make
• 29:56
  Speaker 17: sure you're kept safe and make sure the facts are used.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't agree with anyone talking down the seriousness of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: this issue though you know there were explosives, there was
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: criminal intent, and we need to know a hell of
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a lot more and we.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Should be deeply worried about it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to another issue related to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a climate and energy, and let's start off by showing.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: You what the former Liberal Treasurer of New South Wales
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: told the ABC last night. Have a look.
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: I'm not anti nuclear, but I am anti nonsense and
• 30:26
  Speaker 18: I think the reality is you talk about private investment, well,
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: there's no private investors knocking down anyone's door to build
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: a nuclear reactor. In fact, under Peter Dutton's nuclear plan,
• 30:40
  Speaker 18: it won't be the national energy market. It will be
• 30:42
  Speaker 18: the nationalized energy market because it will only be funded
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: by the government. Now, I don't forgot when the Liberal
• 30:48
  Speaker 18: Party decided to be socialist in how.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: The Liberal Party are socialist now he leaves out the point,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of course that the industry is banned in this exactly
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: at the moment.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Hard to invest in it when when it's banned.
• 31:01
  Speaker 17: A small detail that Matt Kean likes to forget is
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: that there's a moratorium and that's one of the first
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: things we'll do. We're not interested in big multinationals coming
• 31:09
  Speaker 17: in and cleaning up for ten fifteen years, leaving a
• 31:11
  Speaker 17: scar on our landscape and.
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: Then going away with their profits.
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: We actually want to get an energy grid that in
• 31:16
  Speaker 17: the short term will bring down your energy bill and
• 31:19
  Speaker 17: your food bill because they're intertwined. And that's by flooding
• 31:22
  Speaker 17: this market with gas, getting gas going into the grid.
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: But the long term is getting baseload power with nuclear
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: putting up where coal fired power stations are so that
• 31:31
  Speaker 17: we don't need the transmission lies that Matt Keane's talking
• 31:34
  Speaker 17: about to have this all renewables approach and what Matt.
• 31:37
  Speaker 17: I don't watch Q and A, but I'm sure he
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: disclosed that he's a director of an investment fund that
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: is heavily into renewables and.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That fought him on the show previously. But yeah, he
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: stands to make a back out of renewables, and.
• 31:53
  Speaker 17: So too Domini that are propagating much of what they're
• 31:56
  Speaker 17: trying to get out of this country. What we're saying
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: is the Australian people can aim it. This can be
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: returned in a legacy, a long term legacy in going
• 32:04
  Speaker 17: to nuclear energy.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: So you're not socialists, you're pragmatists.
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: We're pragmatists. Our nats are sometimes Aquarius.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, David. Good to have you here
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: in the flesh States. A proud nationalist leader. Got to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: get to a break. Another three tea's coming up after
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the break. Kristen Tate, Donald Trump and Malcolm Turnbull.
• 32:23
  Speaker 19: What a.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Messy web day weave.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to Malcolm Turnbull doing Australia no favors
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: when it comes to getting an exemption from Donald Trump
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: steel and aluminion tariffs. After the former Prime Minister slammed
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Trump in an interview. The US President posted a scathing response,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: saying that Turnbull was always leading Australia from behind, never
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: understood what was going on in China, and was a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: weak and ineffective leader, and that obviously Australians agreed with him. Well,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Australia's tariff case was always going to be tough, But
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: as I discussed with Christin Tight, this can't help.
• 33:08
  Speaker 20: Yeah, of course, I mean this is just classic Donald Trump.
• 33:11
  Speaker 20: If you cross him, he'll come back at you even harder.
• 33:14
  Speaker 20: But when it comes to the tariffs, I mean, look,
• 33:16
  Speaker 20: America has to be able to have a healthy steal
• 33:18
  Speaker 20: and aluminum industry. This is par national security. The entire
• 33:23
  Speaker 20: Western world wants a strong America to protect them, But
• 33:27
  Speaker 20: if you want protection from a strong America, America needs
• 33:30
  Speaker 20: to have a healthy and vibrant steel and aluminum industry
• 33:34
  Speaker 20: for our national security.
• 33:36
  Speaker 19: I've always said I.
• 33:37
  Speaker 20: Think these tariffs are hopefully a temporary measure. You're right
• 33:42
  Speaker 20: that during Donald Trump's first term Australia was exempt. He
• 33:46
  Speaker 20: seems to be much more tough and intent on these
• 33:51
  Speaker 20: tough tariffs this time around. But I don't see this
• 33:54
  Speaker 20: as a long term strategy.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that devit plying out in Australia is fashionating because
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Malcolm is not much loved by most people in this country,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and he's been criticized widely for going out so strongly
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: now and so publicly, because this will diminish Australia's chances
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: of getting that exemption.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: We shall see.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But in the controversy that's erupted behind this, he's done
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: more media and he's been even more aggressive in his
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: attacks on Donald Trump.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Have Look, I do not believe you should give in
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: to bullies right now. What Trump's Trump wants people to
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: suck up to him and to be sick a fantic
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: and I have dealt with Trump in the past. I mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: you know, the fact is I stood up to Trump
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: and got him to do things he didn't want to
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: do because I wasn't being bullied by him. Most of
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the people, pretty much all the people I've seen international
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: leaders that have sucked up to Trump and been sickophants
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: have been run over.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So Trump's a bully and most world leaders are sick
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: of fans. So Malcolm Tamvill is not going to really
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: increase his Drilia's chances of getting that exemption is eaten.
• 35:07
  Speaker 20: Of course not when I watched that ICEE stage four
• 35:10
  Speaker 20: Trump derangement syndrome. And look, people and leaders need to
• 35:14
  Speaker 20: understand that Donald Trump is a man who loves to
• 35:17
  Speaker 20: make a deal, and he's actually very willing to forgive
• 35:20
  Speaker 20: people who.
• 35:21
  Speaker 19: Previously bashed him. Look at JD.
• 35:23
  Speaker 20: Vance, I mean, for goodness sake, in twenty sixteen, jd
• 35:27
  Speaker 20: Vance was writing big think pieces about how Donald Trump.
• 35:29
  Speaker 19: Was a threat to America.
• 35:31
  Speaker 20: You know, fast forward a few years and he's Donald
• 35:35
  Speaker 20: Trump's running mate and now the vice president for Donald Trump.
• 35:38
  Speaker 20: So Donald Trump loves to work with people who want
• 35:41
  Speaker 20: to get to solutions, and he doesn't He does not respond.
• 35:45
  Speaker 19: Well to these kinds of public attacks.
• 35:47
  Speaker 20: He wants to have people coming to the table and saying, hey,
• 35:52
  Speaker 20: I want to make a deal. Maybe some things are
• 35:54
  Speaker 20: said in the past, let's put that aside and get
• 35:56
  Speaker 20: something done. So this is definitely the wrong strategy with Trump.
• 36:00
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, Donald Trump will be worried about what's
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: happening to the stock market, both in the US and
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of course around the world, as there are concerns about
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: trade wars and tariffs and the rest of it. But
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I think one arm of his economic agenda that a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: lot of people are fascinated by and are keen to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: see how far he can go. He's on cutting government expenditure,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and Elon Musk has given us another insight into what
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to doze the Department of Government's efficiency is actually finding
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: have a look.
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: That's by the way, is I think one of the
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: biggest sources of fraud in the world is government funded
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: non governmental organizations. This is a gigantic fraudley pol where
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: the government can give money to an NGO and then
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: that there are no controls over that NGO, so they've
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: given billions dollars in that we estimate tens of billions
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: of dollars tongos that are essentially scams.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Again, Christen great that he's calling this out to the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: extent that it saves the US dollars.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: But around the world, I think a lot of tax
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: i just like we like this.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I've govern been spending out money without direct oversight of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: how it's spent.
• 37:07
  Speaker 20: Of course, many Americans didn't even know what NGOs were
• 37:10
  Speaker 20: until Elon Musk brought it to the forefront.
• 37:13
  Speaker 19: Here.
• 37:14
  Speaker 20: In many cases it's just government theft where the Democrats
• 37:18
  Speaker 20: have been stealing hundreds of billions of dollars and then
• 37:21
  Speaker 20: funneling it back to their own organizations. There's a woman
• 37:24
  Speaker 20: named Stacy Abrams. She's a failed politician from Georgia. She
• 37:27
  Speaker 20: tried to run for governor there. It didn't work out,
• 37:29
  Speaker 20: but she's this big hero on the left. And we've
• 37:32
  Speaker 20: just found out, thanks to Elon Musk and these efforts,
• 37:35
  Speaker 20: that her NGO, or an NGO she was associated with,
• 37:39
  Speaker 20: received two billion dollars in funding. This is a supposed
• 37:42
  Speaker 20: climate change group. And even though this group, this NGO,
• 37:47
  Speaker 20: had only brought in previously one hundred dollars in revenue.
• 37:51
  Speaker 19: It's a joke. And you know, this is just flagrant fraud.
• 37:55
  Speaker 20: And this is because none of these congressmen ever read
• 37:58
  Speaker 20: these five thousand and changed bills that are brought before
• 38:02
  Speaker 20: them when they need to approve them.
• 38:03
  Speaker 19: But good on Elon Musk for exposing this.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Democrat for a change and look
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: at the ongoing talent search if you like, after the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: last few horrible years, I would have thought, and let's
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: have a look at Michelle Obama. She's putting together a podcast.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Everybody's doing a podcast these days. Christa we'll have to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: do one sooner. Here's the primo for Michelle Obama's new podcast.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, this is people speculating again as to whether
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: she would have a political career.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: She's rejected this so many times. Here she is, many
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: years ago, explaining.
• 38:36
  Speaker 21: Why I have never had the passion for politics. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 21: just happened to be married to somebody who has the
• 38:42
  Speaker 21: passion for politics, and he drug me, kicking and screaming
• 38:46
  Speaker 21: into this arena. This has you know, So just because
• 38:51
  Speaker 21: I gave a good speech and I'm smart and intelligent
• 38:55
  Speaker 21: doesn't mean that I should be the next president. That's
• 38:57
  Speaker 21: not how we should pick the president.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: She's young, Kristen, She's seen how it works, She's got
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: a good family to advise her, and the Democrats desperate.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Do you think she'll be recruited at some stage in
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the politics.
• 39:12
  Speaker 20: Well, I have no doubt that the higher ups and
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: the Democratic Party are trying to recruit her. I mean,
• 39:16
  Speaker 20: the Democrat Party today is in the worst shape it's
• 39:19
  Speaker 20: been since the nineteen eighties during the Reagan Bush era.
• 39:23
  Speaker 20: But do I think that she will do it? I
• 39:27
  Speaker 20: have doubts about that. I truly think she's not particularly interested.
• 39:31
  Speaker 20: She loves her lifestyle of kind of being this quasi
• 39:35
  Speaker 20: mixed between a politician and a celebrity, and everywhere she
• 39:38
  Speaker 20: goes everyone just fawns over her. But look, the Democrat
• 39:42
  Speaker 20: bench is incredibly shallow.
• 39:44
  Speaker 19: There is just no talent there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 20: There's no message there, there's no cohesive group of ideas
• 39:50
  Speaker 20: holding the Democrats and their voters together as one coalition.
• 39:53
  Speaker 20: So is their pressure being applied to her. Absolutely, But
• 39:56
  Speaker 20: when it comes to this podcast, I think that this
• 39:59
  Speaker 20: is just Michelle Hello Obama trying to get more attention,
• 40:02
  Speaker 20: which she loves, not as a politician but as a celebrity,
• 40:05
  Speaker 20: and giving America what it needs more than anything, another podcast,
• 40:10
  Speaker 20: That is what I mean in this country.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Look, she's doing it with the wrong partner. She's doing
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: it with a blood called Craig Robinson. She should be
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: doing it with Megan Michael. Then there's just one podcast
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: we'd all have to avoid. Thanks for joining it against
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: christ See thank you, Chris.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, it turns out the podcast partner, Craig Robinson is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in fact Michelle Obama's brother. There you go, so it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a family chat. Now, don't go away after the break.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Susio O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempo join me. We'll talk
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: about how eighty percent of voters support more government handouts.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Look out, this budget's going to be a shocker.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Joining us live from Melbourne is The Herald Son's Wonderful
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Susio Brian and in Canberra two Doable see breakfast hosts
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Stephen Senate Tiempo.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Good this talk to you both again.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Know what I want to get your thoughts on something
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that I find, I suppose not surprising, but rather alarming.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And Susie, that's the news poll today showing us that
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of taxpayers a welcome extra government spending to
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: relieve the cost of living. Now, I know everyone's doing
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it tough and the question is framed and that way
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you're going to get something that's good for you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But surely most of us.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Understand that the place is broke and borrowing more money
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: for more handouts in the lead up to an election
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: isn't going to end well for any of us.
• 41:36
  Speaker 22: Well, you look at the amount of money that they've
• 41:38
  Speaker 22: committed already through all these well not so much handouts,
• 41:41
  Speaker 22: but the promises on aged care and childcare and hex
• 41:45
  Speaker 22: debt relief etc. Is about the same as the federal deficits.
• 41:50
  Speaker 19: So what does that tell you.
• 41:52
  Speaker 22: I mean, at the moment, I think labor is going
• 41:55
  Speaker 22: to be very listening, very hard to these sort of
• 41:58
  Speaker 22: news polls because they didn't get any kind of balance
• 42:02
  Speaker 22: in the polls from the interest rate cut, so.
• 42:04
  Speaker 19: They are going to be looking to get anything that
• 42:06
  Speaker 19: they can.
• 42:07
  Speaker 22: They're going to say eighty percent of people want a handout,
• 42:10
  Speaker 22: Well what are we going to give them.
• 42:11
  Speaker 19: We're going to give them a handout at whatever cost,
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: and we starts the concern.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: In some of the states.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: We've started to see labor advertising and plac cards being
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: rolled out or the union placards on their behalf Stephen,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and they're essentially saying Dutton will cut all this stuff
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: they're giving. So they're making ridiculous promises. They're throwing more
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: money around and then saying Dutton will cut it. So
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: there's this sort of a fabricated election campaign rather than
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: talking about anything that they've actually done over the past
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: three years.
• 42:40
  Speaker 23: Well, it's been a fabricated government for the last three years, Chris,
• 42:42
  Speaker 23: but this is going to be an oprah winfree budget.
• 42:44
  Speaker 23: You get a billion, you get a billion, everybody gets
• 42:46
  Speaker 23: a billion. I mean, it's just it's going to be ridiculous.
• 42:48
  Speaker 23: But what this poll says is that and I've maintained
• 42:51
  Speaker 23: this all along. In representative democracy, our politicians are a
• 42:54
  Speaker 23: reflection of us, not the other way around. And if
• 42:57
  Speaker 23: we're silly enough to say that we want more handout,
• 43:00
  Speaker 23: we want to keep inflation going up, well then we
• 43:02
  Speaker 23: get what we deserve. I mean, I run the same
• 43:05
  Speaker 23: editorial after every budget, and that is I lament the
• 43:08
  Speaker 23: fact that the front page of every newspaper will say
• 43:11
  Speaker 23: the winners and losers out of the budget. There should
• 43:13
  Speaker 23: only ever be one winner from the budget, that is
• 43:15
  Speaker 23: the country. But we unfortunately have this mentality the unless
• 43:18
  Speaker 23: there's something in it for me, then it's a bad budget.
• 43:21
  Speaker 23: Whi's all me, me, me, me me, not what's good
• 43:23
  Speaker 23: for the greater good. And the problem is the sugar
• 43:25
  Speaker 23: hit now will hit us down the track.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is such a worry. We'll keep on this
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: right up to that election.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: But Labour loves nothing work more than people dependent on
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the government for money because they hook them on and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: they keep their votes coming because they want more of
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the same. Look, there is someone who's been missing from
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: our lives for a while, I think Susio O'Brien and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: this is the person that at least one person thinks
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: is the true and entitled leader of this country.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: And he's come back big time just lately. Here he is.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: I do not believe you should give into bullies right now.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: What Trump's Trump wants people to suck up to him
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: and to be sick a fantic. Pretty much all the
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: people I've seen international leaders that have sucked up to
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Trump and been sickophans have been run over.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Well, Susie Malcolm Temwill says, if you tell him to
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: keep quiet on this, you're infringing upon his freedom of speech.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Now he's free to say whatever he likes.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: But I think most people think it's bloody stupid of
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: him to be bagging Donald Trump right now.
• 44:26
  Speaker 22: Well, he's taking lines from Mark Latham, isn't he. He's
• 44:29
  Speaker 22: talking about a conger light of sicker fans something Marky's
• 44:32
  Speaker 22: slightly differently, won't you?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: But preaps this will lead to a different dictionary definition
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: instead of all using all the words they have in
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the current definition, will just be sick a fan is
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: a suckhole?
• 44:49
  Speaker 19: Well exactly.
• 44:50
  Speaker 22: I mean it's interesting because he is saying, you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 22: if you suck up to bullies, what do you get
• 44:54
  Speaker 22: more bullying? And I think some people would say they
• 44:58
  Speaker 22: kind of agree with it what he's saying. However, do
• 45:01
  Speaker 22: we really want people former prime ministers saying this.
• 45:04
  Speaker 19: At the moment. I mean, you look at what.
• 45:06
  Speaker 22: Happened to the Ukrainian president. I mean, we really cannot
• 45:10
  Speaker 22: afford to have current or even past high profile people
• 45:15
  Speaker 22: a dishing out this kind.
• 45:16
  Speaker 19: Of advice to Trump.
• 45:17
  Speaker 22: It's the most foolish thing. And he's saying, we're not
• 45:21
  Speaker 22: going to get the exemption anyway. Well, you know what,
• 45:23
  Speaker 22: if we were going to get it, we certainly.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Are not going to get it now. It's just done wise,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: isn't it, Stephen.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: But I suppose that the comforting thing for the nation
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: is that to repair all this in Washington we can
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: rely on Kevin Rudd.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things here.
• 45:38
  Speaker 23: I mean, look, the problem is Malcolm Turnbull is probably right,
• 45:41
  Speaker 23: but it doesn't help anything for him to come out
• 45:43
  Speaker 23: and say this stuff. And we all know that Malcolm's
• 45:45
  Speaker 23: only ever been in it for himself and has never
• 45:47
  Speaker 23: had the country's best interests at hearton and this just
• 45:50
  Speaker 23: proves that, but I mean.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Look at the situation we're in.
• 45:52
  Speaker 23: We're going Australia's second worst ever prime minister in Washington
• 45:55
  Speaker 23: as our ambassador, and our worst ever prime minister commenting
• 45:58
  Speaker 23: from the sidelines.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I hope have we got Indeed, we are
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: in deep strife.
• 46:03
  Speaker 19: Now.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: There was some encouraging news in another pole and it
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: shows how the Tials could lose three or four seats
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: to the Liberals.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: This has always been my view if the Liberals are
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: going to win, that some of.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: These Till seats are actually winnable for them as people,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: you know, the voter's polarized, and people leave the Greens
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and the others, then the Tills could slide off.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: We live in hope.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: But one of my favorite parts about this polling Suji
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: two was also they measured people's views about Simon Holmes,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: a court the millionaire son of a billionaire who's the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Fengali of the Tills, and only twenty two percent of
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: people have a favorable view of him.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Unfavorable and of course a lot of them don't know
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: who he is.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So people are starting to recognize that the Tills, so
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: much depended on a feminist outlook, are actually behave often
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: at the behest of this Male Sengali.
• 46:58
  Speaker 22: Well, I think, you know, the came into power off
• 47:01
  Speaker 22: the back of this assumption that the coalition was not
• 47:04
  Speaker 22: going to do enough or was not doing enough about
• 47:06
  Speaker 22: climate change. We've got a completely different political landscape at
• 47:11
  Speaker 22: the moment. And so the polling has shown that there
• 47:13
  Speaker 22: are six seats for the Tills in the Metro in
• 47:17
  Speaker 22: Metro seats that they actually could lose, including cou Jong
• 47:21
  Speaker 22: and Goldstein in Victoria, which you know, if liberally is
• 47:24
  Speaker 22: going to get back in then they definitely need to
• 47:28
  Speaker 22: gain seats in Victoria and these are two you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 22: these have traditionally been Liberal seats, so particularly something like Cujong,
• 47:34
  Speaker 22: you know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: The crown of the Liberal Party. So I mean, very interesting.
• 47:38
  Speaker 22: It's definitely there and winnable for them, although I have
• 47:41
  Speaker 22: to admit I live in Kujong and it is a
• 47:43
  Speaker 22: sea of TiAl all of all the sites on all
• 47:47
  Speaker 22: of them, all of the gates. It's all about Montique Rime.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we will see, though maybe she's not such a
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: great person to remind people about.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I know you love a bit of music, and I
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: know you love the Royals.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Stevens so you'll love this from our current monarch. Here
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is the King of Australia.
• 48:06
  Speaker 24: Kaylie Mineau came to Saint James's Patace to perform this
• 48:09
  Speaker 24: song in twenty twelve. The song is the locomotion. This
• 48:16
  Speaker 24: is music for dancing again. It has that infectious energy
• 48:21
  Speaker 24: which makes it I find incredibly hard to sit still.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: That's what we need from the King. Stephen his playlist.
• 48:33
  Speaker 23: He should be a music promoter, shouldn't he. I would
• 48:35
  Speaker 23: have thought it his age, he would have been more
• 48:37
  Speaker 23: a fan of the Little Ever version. But I'm just
• 48:39
  Speaker 23: disappointed that he's Madge is an infant Elvis Queen and Prince.
• 48:42
  Speaker 23: I mean that would have made more sense to me
• 48:44
  Speaker 23: than Kylie Broke.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what else he likes, no
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: doubt a bit of Brian jonesdown Massacre or something in there.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: We will see.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, as Stephen and Susie
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Will catch up with you next week.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of time for some of your
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: feedback from last night to what we had to say
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: about Anthony Alberanezi.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: One viewer says that Albo says get out now, leave
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Australia alone.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: You've destroyed one of the best countries in the world
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: in one turn, while he hasn't quite destroyed the joint.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: But I tell you what, he hasn't got us heading
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: in the right direction. Has he? Don't give him another
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: chance after me, Peter Quivlin, I'll see you tomorrow.