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Speaker 1: Eats the bold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, Donald Trump cuts off the military aid to Ukraine
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Speaker 2: for now, as Russia gloats that is on its side.
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Speaker 2: Is Trump really going to hand a European country over
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Speaker 2: to Russian tyranny? This is a critical moment for Western civilization,
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Speaker 2: with Europe now so weak that five hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: million Europeans are begging America to save it from just
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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty million Russians. Pathetic. More on that later.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the classic car rally stopped by claims of
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal heritage, with one Aboriginal group now wanting Mount Panorama
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Speaker 2: also declared a heritage site threatening the Baptist one thousand
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Speaker 2: and why because it scattered the ashes of this Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: man on the hill. That's the one next to the
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Speaker 2: white guy or the other one. I'll tell you which later.
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Speaker 2: Plenty more coming up, including more signs of the collapse
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Speaker 2: of Energy Minister Chris Bones green energy plans and is
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Speaker 2: this really why taxpayers fund Sydney's Mardi Gras? But first,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albaneze today confirmed is scared, scared of debate now
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Speaker 2: straight of Jim Chalmers. He isn't Albanizi the prime minister
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Speaker 2: he is, and that's what scared Labor MP's at the
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Speaker 2: start of this election campaign. We are in an election campaign.
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Speaker 2: Whether the premiter calls it for April twelve or waits
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Speaker 2: another month, it's on. And today Albanizei proved he really
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Speaker 2: does lack confidence and how on the back foot he
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Speaker 2: is no wonder Jim Chalmers is saying to Labor, leave
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Speaker 2: it to me. Let me have debates four of them
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Speaker 2: in this election. As I showed you last night.
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Speaker 3: Be happy to debate Angus Taylor every week of the campaign. Frankly,
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Speaker 3: so if Angus Taylor wants people to take him seriously
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Speaker 3: on the economy, he will accept my challenge.
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Speaker 2: But now haw been easy today seem to think that
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Speaker 2: even one debate with opposition lead to Peter Dutton might
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Speaker 2: be a little too much for him, and insisted that
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Speaker 2: even that one be held on the Labor friendly ABC.
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Speaker 4: The ABC exists and the ABC haven't had a debate
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Speaker 4: for a long period of time. I look forward to
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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton agreeing to a debate on the ABC. As
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Speaker 4: for others, that's all negotiated by National secretaries. Frankly, that's
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Speaker 4: why they give us a party organization to deal with
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Speaker 4: those matters.
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Speaker 2: Hiding behind his national secretary. Now, I mean seriously, but look,
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Speaker 2: you know, when you saw the to and fro between
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Speaker 2: Albanezi and Peter Dutton today in dueling press conferences, you've
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Speaker 2: got to see why Albenizi is already playing defensive and
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Speaker 2: looking a little worried. Two topics dominated. First, Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 2: promise to cut thirty six thousand jobs from the public
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Speaker 2: service as many as Albanzi actually added as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: Under this government, an increase of thirty six thousand public servants.
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Speaker 5: Just just listen to these figures. It goes to two
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Speaker 5: hundred and nine thousand public servants. Now, that is a
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Speaker 5: growth three times the rate of what happened under the
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Speaker 5: regularge years.
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Speaker 2: Now to this plan, Alberizi could only claim that Dutton's
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Speaker 2: copying Donald Trump, even advertising other Trump ideas as he
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Speaker 2: did it. That don't sound too bad.
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Speaker 4: Actually, we don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
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Speaker 4: What we have here from Peter Dutton is he's so
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Speaker 4: policy lazy, him and his team that they just if
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Speaker 4: they hear something, you know, on the news, an announcement
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Speaker 4: from overseas about sacking public servants or people working from
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Speaker 4: home or DEI, you know, the dreaded inclusion policy that
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Speaker 4: they're so worried about. They say, yeah, I'll have some of.
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Speaker 2: That translation labor needs public service votes. And then there
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Speaker 2: was Duttman's promise to make public servants go back to work,
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Speaker 2: back to the office and not do work at home
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Speaker 2: like an amazing sixty one percent of public servants still
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Speaker 2: do for at least a few days a week. Sixty
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Speaker 2: one percent.
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Speaker 5: People are putting off going to see a doctor at
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Speaker 5: the moment under this government because they can't afford the
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Speaker 5: out of pocket expense and they are trimming every dollar
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Speaker 5: out of their budget. And I think Australian taxpayers, who
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Speaker 5: are working harder than ever under this government and barely
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Speaker 5: keeping their head above water, I think they expect the
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Speaker 5: government and the government employees to be working as hard
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Speaker 5: as they are, and people refusing to go back to
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Speaker 5: work in Canberra is not acceptable.
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Speaker 2: Howbany is your response to this pretty you know, logical
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Speaker 2: proposal was even less impressive. Most people know that for
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Speaker 2: many people working from home, for the lazy among them,
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Speaker 2: it really is have wrought so would Alban Eazy make
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Speaker 2: public servants now work back in the office a couple
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Speaker 2: of years after the pandemic.
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Speaker 4: And no, the Coalition want public servants to be at
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Speaker 4: home all the time, thirty six thousand of them because
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Speaker 4: they want to sack them.
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Speaker 2: Then add to all this the news pouring in about
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Speaker 2: the crunch and living standards I mean today, for instance,
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Speaker 2: we read that our top food industry representatives, what half
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Speaker 2: a dozen bodies today warning the government that some people
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Speaker 2: are even going hungry because of rising grocery prices. And
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Speaker 2: many of these organizations complaining about soaring costs of electricity
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Speaker 2: and gas. So you have Food Bank, for instance, donating
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Speaker 2: it donates food to a million Australians a month. Now
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Speaker 2: they said, well, look our overheads, our power, our labor
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Speaker 2: costs are escalating. At the same time this government prompts
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Speaker 2: to cut our power bills with this green schemes instead
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Speaker 2: bills as you know, sword and herding, shoppers, killing businesses,
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Speaker 2: I mean killing businesses. Last week, for instance, Oceany, a
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Speaker 2: glass that's Astroia's only remaining or was only remaining glass
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Speaker 2: manufacturer for glass for houses and things, said it was
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Speaker 2: going out of business. One reason it's uncompetitive is high
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Speaker 2: energy prices for a business that uses a lot of energy.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile it's a clown show. Another green energy scheme
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Speaker 2: of Albanese's energy minister collapses. I mean you remember Minister
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Speaker 2: Chris Barne boasting that he'd create a massive wind farm
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Speaker 2: off the New South Wales coast. This is one of
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Speaker 2: his many wild green schemes and this was just eight
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Speaker 2: months ago.
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Speaker 4: Puts the ill of warror at the center of Australia's
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Speaker 4: renewable energy future.
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Speaker 2: In the eight months since, first one of the big
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Speaker 2: wind farm companies he thought make build this offshore wind
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Speaker 2: farm pulled out, then another, and now the last has
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Speaker 2: said hang on, minister, I don't know if we can
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Speaker 2: go on with this. Hold your horses. So everywhere you look,
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Speaker 2: the big picture is that this governor has failed. It's
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Speaker 2: failed to give you cheap electricity, has failed to improve
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Speaker 2: living standards, it's failed to get on top of inflation,
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Speaker 2: has failed to make housing affordable. And what's failed now
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Speaker 2: this alban is his nerve. He doesn't even dare debate
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Speaker 2: what is done. Now Before I go on, I must
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Speaker 2: tell you probably the most ignorant, an idiotic thing I've
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Speaker 2: heard from an Australian premiere in years. Today this from
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premieriture Center Allen, linking the cyclone now off Queensland
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Speaker 2: to global warming and what's more, saying this is why
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Speaker 2: we shouldn't go nuclear.
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Speaker 6: We know here in Victoria, here in Queensland, we are
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Speaker 6: seeing repeat extreme weather patterns that we've not seen, the
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Speaker 6: likes of which, you know, massive floods and storms and fires,
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Speaker 6: all happening almost simultaneously. Well, the way to address those
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Speaker 6: challenges is not to go down an ideological pathway, which
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party wants to do, a
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Speaker 6: nuclear pathway. For goodness sake, when we know, when we
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Speaker 6: know what the evidence and the science tells us, can
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Speaker 6: support our future, which is that important investment in renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: There's a string of such stunning ignorance that to me
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Speaker 2: it's no wonder that Alan is now Premier of a
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Speaker 2: basket case economy crippled by the way by gas shortages
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Speaker 2: because of its mad climate policies. Fact check Forge just
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Speaker 2: Cinter Allen one there is no clear link at all
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Speaker 2: between global warming and cyclones. In fact, the quick check
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Speaker 2: of the Bureau of Meteorology's website would have shown the
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Speaker 2: premiere that the number of cyclones, including severe cyclones, has
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Speaker 2: fallen over the past fifty five years. That's climate change.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Second, nothing Australia does will make the
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Speaker 2: slightest measurable difference to global warming, let alone cyclones and floods.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're just too small. And Thirdly, justinter Allen
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Speaker 2: seems ignorant of the fact that nuclear power is zero emissions.
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Speaker 2: If she really wants to slash emissions to stop cyclones
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Speaker 2: and still keep on the lights, nuclear power is perfect.
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Speaker 2: To have said. What Alan just said requires her to
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Speaker 2: believe three fundamental falsehoods and she just blurts it out
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Speaker 2: like you know, of course everyone thinks is everyone in
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Speaker 2: my government thinks things that are They're stupid. No wonder
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Speaker 2: Victoria is so stuffed. But to my Tuesday regular guest,
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan, the former Resources mister Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously ignorance like that. You know you're in
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Speaker 2: Queensland now dealing with the cyclone. What do you make
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Speaker 2: of a Victorian premier trying to exploit and to so
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Speaker 2: ignorantly sell wind and solar power in this cyclone.
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Speaker 7: Well, as you say, Andrew, there's only one word for it, stupidity.
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Speaker 7: And it's also soul destroying to see our own political
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Speaker 7: leaders engage in such stupidity.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's only two options here.
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Speaker 7: Either just Center hasn't read the ice PCC reports, hasn't
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Speaker 7: looked at the data that you've just clearly shown it
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Speaker 7: your viewers, or she's just lying. That's even perhaps the
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Speaker 7: worst outcome. Maybe she has done all that and she's
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Speaker 7: just for right.
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Speaker 2: I blame stupidity, Crystal Clean.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're right, because it's not. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 7: another point here. The one point is of course that
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Speaker 7: the data does not does not add up. For Jacenter,
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Speaker 7: there was a cyclone hit Brisbane about fifty years ago
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Speaker 7: nine e seventy four. Cyclone Wander was to cyclone Wander
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Speaker 7: come from climate change. It was fifty years ago before
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Speaker 7: anyone spoke about it.
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Speaker 1: That happened. These things do happen.
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Speaker 7: We had a cyclone hit this region where I stand
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Speaker 7: right now, in Rockhampton, very rare. It happened about ten
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Speaker 7: years ago, Cyclone Marsha. These things can happen along the
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Speaker 7: Queensland coast. Were used to it we know about it.
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Speaker 7: The other point to make here, though, is if these people,
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Speaker 7: as they seem to suggest, say that they can stop
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Speaker 7: cyclones by investing in solar and wind energy, the question is,
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Speaker 7: why haven't they stopped them so far? They've been empowered,
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Speaker 7: they've beenmpowered federally, they've been empowered Victoria for a very
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Speaker 7: long time. Why hasn't the Labor Party stoped bushfires, cyclones
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Speaker 7: and any of these things? Because they seem to go
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Speaker 7: to elections promising somehow that their policies investment in renewable
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Speaker 7: energy has some weather changing magic about it, and yet
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Speaker 7: they can't do anything because we still get hit by
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Speaker 7: all these things in this country.
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Speaker 1: Something doesn't quite add up here, does it.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, don't forget Barack Obama on the day that
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Speaker 2: he was elected saying, this is the day the planet
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Speaker 2: will start to heal. He thought it solves the climate crisis.
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Speaker 2: Right there? Has it happened, Matt? Whatever one thinks of
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Speaker 2: the Ukraine War, how it started, how it should end,
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Speaker 2: I think one thing is coming very very clear, And
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Speaker 2: this talk about the stupid climate policies that are begging,
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Speaker 2: beggaring us actually brings to my mind our leaders have
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Speaker 2: we making this week week in industry. We can defense,
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Speaker 2: wee can cohesion, we can patriotism. And these were all
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Speaker 2: deliberate decisions of government. Multiculturalism, defending, defunding our military, attacking
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Speaker 2: our past, attacking the national symbols, these global warming policies.
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Speaker 2: Isn't a time I mean, I think it's now crisis
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Speaker 2: time that we must learn the lessons.
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Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, they're staring us right in
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Speaker 7: the face there, I mean right now today. Over the
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Speaker 7: past year, Europe still continues to buy and spend more
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Speaker 7: on Russian gas than it does in providing assistance to Ukraine.
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Speaker 7: I mean more than three years now since the start
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Speaker 7: of this invasion. The Europeans government still seemingly can't grasp
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Speaker 7: this that they should actually perhaps develop their own energy resources.
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Speaker 7: They have a lot of gas, They've been fracking in
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Speaker 7: most countries in Europe. Why don't they do that rather
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Speaker 7: than become dependent on the very war machine that they're
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Speaker 7: trying to fight against. And what is what the clear
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Speaker 7: lesson from this is is that weakness does attract bullies.
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Speaker 7: As you say, there's lots of opinions about the Ukraine war.
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Speaker 7: Bas no doubt Russia has acted in a bullying fashion
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Speaker 7: to a weaker and smaller neighbor, and by being weak,
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Speaker 7: Europe has only made itself vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: Toy tactics and behavior.
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Speaker 7: The lesson, clearly for us is to not do the same,
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Speaker 7: to not deny ourselves the use of our own natural
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Speaker 7: resources as Europe has done and put ourselves in a
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Speaker 7: weaker position. Unfortunately, we have starting to go down that path.
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Speaker 7: We start, perhaps from a better starting position, given the
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Speaker 7: use of traditional use of our coal and gas. But
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Speaker 7: this government, particularly this federal government, labor governments like that
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Speaker 7: one in Victoria, are slowly chipping away at that resource
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Speaker 7: advantage that we have, and in some senses, perhaps I
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Speaker 7: think we're even doing some things even worse than Europe
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Speaker 7: on energy policy, because not only are we starting to
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Speaker 7: shut down our reliable sources of energy electricity like coal
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Speaker 7: and gas, we then export the coal gas to other
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Speaker 7: countries that compete with us, like we still mind it,
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Speaker 7: and then we just send it the other country so
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Speaker 7: they can get even doubly better than us.
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Speaker 1: How insane is that?
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Speaker 7: Because really worried about the whole lining here in central
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Speaker 7: Queensland causing cyclones, why are we sending it to China.
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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the European reliance still in Russian gas. Say,
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Speaker 2: as a reporter last night, the same report that you
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Speaker 2: just quoted suggested Australia was the biggest single country buying
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Speaker 2: petrol and oil products from refineries in Russia and Turkey.
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Speaker 2: That we're using Russian oil in the get around the sanctions.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that is a disgrace. That's how dependent we are.
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Speaker 2: So we're hypocrisy here too. Another difference today between the
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Speaker 2: two leaders, Matt Anthony Aberinezi said he was open to
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Speaker 2: sending Australian peacekeepers to Ukraine if there is a peace
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Speaker 2: deal with Russia.
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Speaker 4: Here is there's discussion at the moment about potential peacekeeping
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Speaker 4: and from my government's perspective, we're open to consideration of
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Speaker 4: any proposals going forward, as Australia has historically played an
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Speaker 4: important role in areas including in Africa, in Cyprus, in
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Speaker 4: a range of peacekeeping areas. Want to see peace in Ukraine,
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Speaker 4: but we want to make sure that the illegal, immoral
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Speaker 4: actions of Russia are not rewarded and that Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 4: and his designs which are imperialistic not just on Ukraine
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Speaker 4: but on other countries are not rewarded or encouraged.
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Speaker 2: Obvious Usitly, Peter Dutton said to that, No, this is
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Speaker 2: a European business. Let them do it. They have to
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Speaker 2: step up. Who's right.
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Speaker 5: In terms of whether we should have boots on the
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Speaker 5: ground in Ukraine? I don't support that. I think the
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Speaker 5: Europeans have that task and I think what President Trump's
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Speaker 5: pointed out is that the Europeans need to do more
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Speaker 5: in the defense of Europe. And that's a statement of
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Speaker 5: the obvious.
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Speaker 2: Who's right, Matt.
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Speaker 7: Well, Peter clearly is here, Andrew, especially given the geopolitical
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Speaker 7: risks we face in this region, now is not the
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Speaker 7: time to be weakening our own limited resources to send
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Speaker 7: them off to another country. We've seen obviously the provocative
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Speaker 7: acts by the Chinese navy in the past week. And
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Speaker 7: you know, i'd ask Anthony Alban easy to just study
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Speaker 7: some history, particular labor leaders here where you know, the
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Speaker 7: the great Prime Minister John Curtin didn't send troops over
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Speaker 7: when Australia is at risk during World War Two.
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Speaker 1: He kept them here.
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Speaker 7: And I don't see how or why European governments that
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Speaker 7: are richer than us or bigger than us at least
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Speaker 7: in economic output.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't themselves fill this role. We want to support them.
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Speaker 7: I certainly want Australia to be a voice and a
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Speaker 7: constructive voice for peace in this area. But I think
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Speaker 7: the priorities here at home are more important, and we
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Speaker 7: should keep our troops.
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Speaker 2: Here unless we've got troops to spare, and we could
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Speaker 2: be guaranteed that they would come to our aid, because
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Speaker 2: I think there will come and home when we sorely
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Speaker 2: need some help at this side of the world. But
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Speaker 2: we shall see. Macalavan, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: After the Brak, Donald Trump cuts off military a to Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: just as one European leader admits how pathetically weak and
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Speaker 2: reckless in the responsible Europe has been. In a way
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Speaker 2: he'll say it, in a way you will not forget.
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Speaker 2: So is this at the beginning of the end for
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Speaker 2: the West? Or Trump just pulling a chain? Is this
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Speaker 2: really how the West collapses because an American president with
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Speaker 2: a big ego doesn't get fainked enough. Donald Trump is
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Speaker 2: now frozen all military aid to Ukraine. There's a pause
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Speaker 2: for now to hold a review that even the pause
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Speaker 2: will mean that more Ukrainians die without American aid Ukraine's
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Speaker 2: defenses against the Russian invaders. They'll be crippled after three
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Speaker 2: years of heroically fighting for their freedom. Now this decision
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Speaker 2: comes ours after Trump yet again attacked the Ukraine's president
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Speaker 2: for Vladimir Zelensky.
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Speaker 8: Well, I just think he should be more appreciative because
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Speaker 8: this country has stuck with them through thick and thin.
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Speaker 2: Zelenski's not grateful. I mean, that's untrue. He has posted
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Speaker 2: constantly how grateful he is to the US, and he
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Speaker 2: said it again just after Trump threw him out of
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Speaker 2: the White House last Friday, after shouting at him.
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Speaker 4: And very thankful to.
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Speaker 1: To Americans for all your support.
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Speaker 9: You did a lot, helped us a lot from the
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Speaker 9: very beginning, during three years of full scree invasion, you
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Speaker 9: helped us to survive.
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Speaker 2: And the tragic thing here is that, until just before
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Speaker 2: the end of Trump's ultimately disastrous meeting with Zelensky the
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Speaker 2: White House last Friday, after nearly forty minutes of nice
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Speaker 2: chit chat, it seemed Trump knew that a deal with
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Speaker 2: Zelensky to trade Ukrainian minerals for US guarantees and a
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Speaker 2: peace deal with Russia was an America's interest too.
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Speaker 8: We have something that is a very fair deal, and
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Speaker 8: we look forward to getting in and dig in, dig in,
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Speaker 8: dig in, and work in and getting some of the
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Speaker 8: rare earth.
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Speaker 2: Earlier, Trump had even corrected his false claim that Zelenski
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Speaker 2: had started this war. He pretended it never falsely called
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Speaker 2: Zelenski a dictator. What's more, he promised to try to
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Speaker 2: get Russia to give back Ukrainian territory it had invaded.
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of areas that we're taken. Now
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Speaker 2: we've talked about it.
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Speaker 8: A lot of the Sea Lion has been taken, and
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Speaker 8: we'll be talking about that and we're going to see
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Speaker 8: if we can get it back or get a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of it back for Ukraine. So everything was set to
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Speaker 2: sign a deal with Ukraine and then put the heat
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Speaker 2: on Russia to settle this war. But then Trump's Vice
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Speaker 2: president JD. Vance, is being sidelined by Trump's new key
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Speaker 2: White House ally ex owner Elo Musk, decided to pick
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Speaker 2: a Fightminzelenski, who yes stupidly argued back, and Vance accused
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Speaker 2: the Ukrainian president of insulting Trump.
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Speaker 10: Mister president, mister president, with respect.
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Speaker 2: I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the
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Speaker 2: Oval office to try to litigate this in front of
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Speaker 2: the American media.
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Speaker 10: You should be thanking the president.
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Speaker 2: Tale Trump baptist vice president accd up himself, and it
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Speaker 2: was all over. And now we've gone from a deal
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Speaker 2: with Ukraine that it's in that's in America's interest, to
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Speaker 2: two it seems throwing Ukraine to Russia. It seems now
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Speaker 2: you can criticize Zelensky as I have for arguing back
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Speaker 2: at that meeting. You're criticizing you as I have again
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Speaker 2: for not crawling to Trump and for not recognizing that
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Speaker 2: without American support his country will soon or later become
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Speaker 2: a Russian colony. But is this how the fate of
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Speaker 2: the West has decided by whose ego gets stroked, or
21:38
Speaker 2: by an ambitious and jealous vice president sticking his ore
21:41
Speaker 2: in when it wasn't wanted and starting a brawl. I mean,
21:44
Speaker 2: Vance even thinks it's a joke that he destroyed Trump's
21:48
Speaker 2: deal the full.
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Speaker 10: Something about my answer just really sets Selensky off. So
21:53
Speaker 10: then he came at me.
21:54
Speaker 2: To Trump is going to run out of patience very
22:02
Speaker 2: fast with the vice president blows up his deals. And
22:04
Speaker 2: in this case, the deal was good for Trump, good
22:06
Speaker 2: for America, good for the West, and for all those reasons,
22:09
Speaker 2: I think that even now Trump cutting military aid to Ukraine, America,
22:14
Speaker 2: stopping cyber attacks on Russia, that all this is yet
22:17
Speaker 2: more Trump bluster, a negotiating tactic. Maybe I'm just an optimist,
22:24
Speaker 2: but does do you really think Trump, I hope, really
22:28
Speaker 2: wants to see the Russian tyranny triumph over Ukraine to
22:32
Speaker 2: crush it. I can't believe his pride would allow that
22:37
Speaker 2: man who threw Ukraine to the wolves. Needless to say,
22:40
Speaker 2: Russia is crowing, it says, Trump is saying exactly what
22:43
Speaker 2: it thinks. Dmitriy Medvedev, who was Russia's ultra nationalist president
22:48
Speaker 2: under the thumb of the caravan Vladimir Putin, when Putin
22:51
Speaker 2: was hopping between prime minister and president and Medvedev, still
22:55
Speaker 2: a top security official, gloated that Trump had called Zelenski
22:59
Speaker 2: a dictator of elections and had warned Zelenski to better
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Speaker 2: move fast or is not going to have a country left.
23:06
Speaker 2: And Medvedev said, if you told me just three months
23:08
Speaker 2: ago these were the words of the US president, would
23:10
Speaker 2: have laughed out loud. Donald Trump is two one hundred
23:13
Speaker 2: percent right, bankrupt clown referring to Zelenski. So Trump is
23:19
Speaker 2: literally echoing Russian propaganda. That's not hyperly, it's the fact
23:26
Speaker 2: now and worse, you know, from Ukraine has demanded everything
23:29
Speaker 2: from Russia, nothing as even After's officials to examine lifting
23:33
Speaker 2: sanctions and posts on Russia for invading Ukraine. Now I
23:36
Speaker 2: get Trump's frustration with this war. You know, America is
23:40
Speaker 2: paying so much to defend Ukraine because Europe, the real
23:46
Speaker 2: villain here, has let itself get so weak, not paying
23:50
Speaker 2: for its own defense, relying on American soldiers building welfare states,
23:54
Speaker 2: not strong ones. Poland's President Donald Tusk, this is brilliant.
23:58
Speaker 2: You've got to watch this. He expressed this scandal perfectly yesterday,
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Speaker 2: how Europe, much more than America, had betrayed Ukraine and
24:08
Speaker 2: the rest of Europe as well. This is where we've
24:29
Speaker 2: got to realize our safety comes from power, first of all,
24:35
Speaker 2: as Europe is now finding out. Now, sure, you know
24:38
Speaker 2: Europe's leaders and our tours will step up to fans,
24:41
Speaker 2: but even if you believe then they certainly cannot do
24:43
Speaker 2: that fast enough. Now to say Ukraine, if America pulls out,
24:46
Speaker 2: and he's another thing, I get that, MINDI Americans are
24:49
Speaker 2: sick paying for Europe's wars and are putting Trump under
24:52
Speaker 2: pressure himself. I mean he campaigned on a promise essentially
24:55
Speaker 2: to get America out of foreign walls. It ends them quickly,
24:57
Speaker 2: and then focus on making focus from day one, I'm
25:00
Speaker 2: making life easy for Americans and said for the past
25:04
Speaker 2: month and a half has been busy with Israel, Ukraine, Israel, Ukraine,
25:08
Speaker 2: no sign of other war ending, and inflation in the
25:10
Speaker 2: US last month actually went up, not down. Pole showed
25:13
Speaker 2: Trump getting more unpopular and not less. So Trump is
25:16
Speaker 2: under pressure too, and he must think that bullying Ukraine
25:20
Speaker 2: into surrenders the fastest way to win this war than
25:22
Speaker 2: trying to bullyeve. Vladimir Putin is much bigger and stronger.
25:27
Speaker 2: So I think this warbone and soon. And what makes
25:30
Speaker 2: Trump's threats against Ukraine and abuses of its president. I
25:34
Speaker 2: get this trying to get Ukraine to agree to a
25:36
Speaker 2: deal and then go to Russian say let's start with you.
25:38
Speaker 2: But it's counterproductive in that Russia won't give up attacking
25:43
Speaker 2: Ukraine whether they thinks Trump is on its side, and
25:45
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians can't get a good deal if they're not strong,
25:51
Speaker 2: They're not Negotia in a position of strength and Trump's
25:53
Speaker 2: come to the ground from under them. So Ukrainians will
25:56
Speaker 2: keep fighting and dying for their freedom. And that's what
26:00
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't seem to understand. I know, I said, you
26:04
Speaker 2: need power to defend your freedom, but even the weak
26:08
Speaker 2: will keep fighting for an idea for freedom against unbelievable odds.
26:12
Speaker 2: I mean, Britain didn't surrender to the Nazi Might let
26:16
Speaker 2: Valenza didn't surrender to communists might its occupation of Poland
26:20
Speaker 2: his country. Have Valsa fought against that tyranny with the pope?
26:24
Speaker 2: You might remember Valenca one he became the Prime Minister
26:28
Speaker 2: of independent Poland, winner than of l Peace Prize. Valenza
26:31
Speaker 2: has now co signed a letter to Trump, along with
26:34
Speaker 2: thirty seven other former political prisoners of Poland's Russian dominated
26:37
Speaker 2: communist regime. I'll read some bod orthough I know that
26:42
Speaker 2: people of very very pro Trump will get very upset
26:45
Speaker 2: with me. But you've got to see the other dimension here,
26:46
Speaker 2: understand why this war is not as close as Trump
26:50
Speaker 2: thinks to being solved. These people, let Valenza and the
26:53
Speaker 2: rest say they watched Trump's conversation with Zelenski with horror
26:57
Speaker 2: and distaste, they said, and they added weakness city, Your
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Speaker 2: expectations regarding the showing of gratitude for the material assistance
27:04
Speaker 2: provided by the United States to Ukraine to be offensive.
27:09
Speaker 2: Gratitude should be given to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who
27:13
Speaker 2: shed blood in the defense of values of the free world,
27:18
Speaker 2: they said, looking at the building of Zelenski. They actually
27:21
Speaker 2: remember their own interrogations by the Communists secret police, being
27:24
Speaker 2: told they had no cards to play either. And they added,
27:29
Speaker 2: the history of the twentieth century shows that every time
27:33
Speaker 2: the United States wanted to maintain distance from democratic values
27:36
Speaker 2: and its European allies, it ended up threatening itself. You
27:40
Speaker 2: saw that World War One, you saw that World War Two.
27:43
Speaker 2: America stayed out there until the war came to them.
27:47
Speaker 2: And now abandoning Ukraine to the Russia China alliance, that
27:51
Speaker 2: is what's most likely to encourage World War three. So
27:54
Speaker 2: I refuse to believe that Trump would in a fit
27:58
Speaker 2: of peak is being remembered for that. I think this
28:02
Speaker 2: is a bluff. I hope it's a bluff. Powerm does matter,
28:06
Speaker 2: but so do ideals. In America. Land of the Free
28:10
Speaker 2: knows that bitter than most, joining me is President Trump's
28:17
Speaker 2: first White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, Sean Spicicer, great to
28:21
Speaker 2: see you again. Donald Trump has just frozen military aid
28:25
Speaker 2: to Ukraine indefinitely. Why is that?
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Speaker 9: Look, I think this is part of a greater negotiating tactic, Andrew.
28:34
Speaker 9: The bottom line is President Zelensky should do two things.
28:38
Speaker 9: Number one, sign that mineral seal. Number two, apologize to
28:42
Speaker 9: President Trump, and thank the American people. If those two
28:45
Speaker 9: things happen, Ukraine will be secure. If US interests commercially
28:49
Speaker 9: are aligned with Ukraine, our companies are workers. That's probably
28:53
Speaker 9: the greatest protection and security that he could possibly get.
28:57
Speaker 2: Well, I'd hope so as Zelensky is in quite so sure. Look,
29:03
Speaker 2: I keep clinging to that same hope that this is
29:05
Speaker 2: a negotiating tactic and not a final, you know, crossing
29:10
Speaker 2: the line on Ukraine. It seems to me from the
29:14
Speaker 2: start that Trump did want this deal with Ukraine until Friday,
29:19
Speaker 2: midway through that disastrous press conference with Jade Vans, and
29:22
Speaker 2: Zelenski backed out only because everyone lost their temper in
29:26
Speaker 2: that meeting. I mean, that cannot be really why he
29:30
Speaker 2: would now be throwing Ukraine to the wolves, or seeming
29:33
Speaker 2: to would it.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think you got to look at the
29:36
Speaker 9: context of that meeting. Number one, General Keith Kallgg, the
29:40
Speaker 9: president of Ivoid of Ukraine, had met with Zelenski the
29:43
Speaker 9: week before and said, don't come to the US to
29:45
Speaker 9: just have a show, sign the deal, and then we'll
29:48
Speaker 9: make things happen. Zelensky went against that advice, came over
29:52
Speaker 9: and met with a bunch of Democratic senators Chris Murphy
29:55
Speaker 9: of Connecticut, several others, including the rumors are at least
29:59
Speaker 9: Susan Ice from the Biden administration and potentially Victoria Noland.
30:05
Speaker 9: I don't know if they set that guy up or not,
30:07
Speaker 9: but the idea of going into an Oval office meeting
30:12
Speaker 9: and looking smug and arrogant as if he was giving
30:16
Speaker 9: us something definitely did not look like the thing that
30:19
Speaker 9: you know. I was there, Andrew I posted some stuff
30:22
Speaker 9: on social media. The White House was ready for a
30:25
Speaker 9: quick press spray, a meeting, a lunch with the signing,
30:29
Speaker 9: and then a press conference afterwards to announce the deal.
30:32
Speaker 9: This White House was ready to go, and when when
30:34
Speaker 9: Zelensky was pulling out of the West wing driveway, I
30:37
Speaker 9: was talking to folks in the driveway at the time
30:39
Speaker 9: and I said, if he pulls out of this driveway,
30:42
Speaker 9: it's over. And I think that what President Trump is
30:44
Speaker 9: showing is that you made a big mistake. You came
30:47
Speaker 9: over here and tried to embarrass us. He thinks somehow
30:51
Speaker 9: he's on equal footing with President Trump, and respectfully, this
30:55
Speaker 9: isn't about you know, who's bigger or smaller or what
30:58
Speaker 9: have you. But the bottom line is is that they
31:00
Speaker 9: wouldn't be in the position that they are without the
31:03
Speaker 9: United States. President Trump wants peace, full stop, and he
31:08
Speaker 9: is the only one that can negotiate a lasting piece.
31:11
Speaker 9: So the idea that Zelensky came over here to lecture
31:14
Speaker 9: us and to lecture our administration after everything that the
31:18
Speaker 9: United States has put out for them, was just a stupid,
31:21
Speaker 9: stupid diplomatic move.
31:23
Speaker 2: I thought it was dune the way he rose to
31:26
Speaker 2: debate and did lecture. I agree with you totally there,
31:29
Speaker 2: But I also suspect that he started to think that
31:32
Speaker 2: there were no guarantees, there was no real friendship for him.
31:36
Speaker 10: But Andrew, the bottom line.
31:37
Speaker 2: That's signing over minerals for nothing.
31:40
Speaker 11: But that's the point.
31:41
Speaker 10: It's not for nothing.
31:42
Speaker 9: The second that our interests are aligned commercially that US companies,
31:47
Speaker 9: US workers, US executives are linked to Ukraine and to
31:52
Speaker 9: the outcome of that minerals deal. That's probably the greatest security.
31:56
Speaker 10: That you can get.
31:57
Speaker 9: It's civilians that are now tied to it, not just
31:59
Speaker 9: military members. So the idea that Putin would try to
32:02
Speaker 9: stand up to Trump knowing that we would have to
32:05
Speaker 9: retaliate if an American was hurt is the greatest security
32:08
Speaker 9: that Zelenski could have gotten.
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Speaker 2: I know that's the argument, But I'm not so sure
32:13
Speaker 2: that that's enough for Ukraine to lay down arms. But look,
32:18
Speaker 2: that's that's the argument. I agree with you. The polls. Meanwhile,
32:24
Speaker 2: I think there's pressure on Donald Trump to get rid
32:27
Speaker 2: of this. I mean, Sean, he did not go to
32:30
Speaker 2: an election saying that it'd spent the first six weeks
32:33
Speaker 2: or so of his presidency dealing with Israel and threatening
32:39
Speaker 2: Israel and Gaza and Ukraine and Europe and this, and
32:44
Speaker 2: he said, you know, cost of living prices, all that
32:47
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It seems to me, when you look
32:50
Speaker 2: at the polls on average, disapproval of Trump is growing.
32:53
Speaker 2: Is that putting pressure on him too to just get
32:56
Speaker 2: rid of this? Now? This Ukraine business.
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Speaker 1: No, I will say this.
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Speaker 10: The other thing that's funny.
33:03
Speaker 9: Zolensk left the United States went over to Europe, where
33:06
Speaker 9: immediately the UK's Prime Minister Starmer said that they will
33:09
Speaker 9: put boots on the ground, planes in the air. The
33:11
Speaker 9: French president said that they're willing to up their percentage
33:15
Speaker 9: of GDP of defense spending to three three point five percent.
33:19
Speaker 9: It's the effect of Donald Trump is having a ripple
33:23
Speaker 9: effect across the pond as well. But the bottom line
33:26
Speaker 9: is that you want to talk about promises that he made.
33:28
Speaker 9: Donald Trump campaigned on bringing peace back to an unstable world.
33:32
Speaker 9: For four years, there wasn't an invasion or incursion across
33:36
Speaker 9: the world, not just in Ukraine and in Russia, but
33:38
Speaker 9: throughout the world. And under Joe Biden the world fell apart.
33:42
Speaker 9: So Donald Trump wants to bring peace. He didn't ask
33:45
Speaker 9: to come back in and deal with the situation in
33:47
Speaker 9: Gazo or the situation in Ukraine. In fact, when he
33:49
Speaker 9: left office, he had utter peace throughout the world. The
33:53
Speaker 9: world was calmer and safer under his leadership. That's what
33:57
Speaker 9: he wants to bring back. He doesn't want to see
33:59
Speaker 9: any killing or destruction. In fact, he wants to make
34:02
Speaker 9: that happen. And in the meantime, by the way, on
34:05
Speaker 9: the domestic front, you'll hear I think a lot of
34:07
Speaker 9: this tomorrow during his Joint Address to the Congress. But
34:10
Speaker 9: this president has tackled bloated, bloated government inefficiencies and waste
34:15
Speaker 9: that have be leaguered both parties for decades on end.
34:19
Speaker 9: He has reasserted the American culture that so many of
34:23
Speaker 9: us saw lost over four years of Joe Biden. You know,
34:27
Speaker 9: four weeks into office, both domestically and internationally, he is
34:31
Speaker 9: having a huge impact.
34:35
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there are calls in Australia too for
34:37
Speaker 2: the same sort of program with the techling government waste
34:41
Speaker 2: right here. I mean, it's just extraordinary, and I think
34:44
Speaker 2: at least our opposition party is taking note of that
34:48
Speaker 2: as well. Sean Spice, always great to talk to you.
34:51
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, my pleasure, Andrew
34:55
Speaker 2: after the break does scattering the ashes of this aboriginy
34:59
Speaker 2: in this picture, the one I think really turned the
35:03
Speaker 2: famous Mount Panorama into a site of significant Aboriginal heritage.
35:12
Speaker 2: You will remember, I'm sure the activists identifying as Aboriginal
35:17
Speaker 2: who said they were traditional owners from the area around
35:20
Speaker 2: Bathist and Orange and has somehow persuaded the Albanezi government
35:25
Speaker 2: to effectively ban a one billion dollar gold mine in
35:29
Speaker 2: the area. Secret Aboriginal business, they claim, Well they're at
35:34
Speaker 2: it again now that same small group says it once
35:38
Speaker 2: the peak of Mount Panorama near Bathist declared a significant
35:42
Speaker 2: Aboriginal heritage site which could interfere with the racetrack there
35:45
Speaker 2: and the running of the famous Bathists one thousand and
35:47
Speaker 2: why do they want this because two years ago they
35:51
Speaker 2: scattered the ashes of one of their members there, this man,
35:55
Speaker 2: Brian Grant the Aboriginy in this picture. If that's not
35:59
Speaker 2: enough information for you as a man on the left,
36:02
Speaker 2: and you may think, well surely not, this couldn't happen
36:05
Speaker 2: in this country. Well the local Aboriginal leader is true,
36:10
Speaker 2: he at least is disgusted with this try on.
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Speaker 5: This just waters down and undermines the legitimacy of our
36:18
Speaker 5: sacred sites out there.
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Speaker 2: And it's it's it's concerning about I dare say. I
36:25
Speaker 2: don't need to tell you such crazy things have indeed
36:28
Speaker 2: happened before. See lake that's western Swan Hill on the
36:33
Speaker 2: Murray River where my uncle used to farm, actually started
36:37
Speaker 2: an annual rally fifty two years ago, five laps of
36:41
Speaker 2: the eighty five kilometers circuit, but six years ago the
36:45
Speaker 2: Victorian government band joining me is George Bailey, former president
36:49
Speaker 2: of the Sea Lake off Road Racing Club and a
36:51
Speaker 2: long time organizer of this very rally. George, great to
36:55
Speaker 2: see you. Why was your race banned?
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Speaker 12: It's never actually been bad, but they've told us it
37:04
Speaker 12: to be very unlikely if we ever get a permit. Well,
37:13
Speaker 12: in two thousand and eighteen we run the event on
37:18
Speaker 12: a permit to potentially do harm to Aboriginal heritage. They
37:26
Speaker 12: sent three archeologiers up from Aboriginal Victoria then and they
37:31
Speaker 12: were very helpful. After the eighteen event, the whole demeanor
37:38
Speaker 12: of the Aboriginal Victoria changed. They even changed their name
37:43
Speaker 12: to the First People's State Relations. They become a very
37:53
Speaker 12: hard line to government policy.
37:56
Speaker 2: Unfortunately now I signed to stand. The issue was somehow
38:04
Speaker 2: little stone artifacts that they said, well, it must have
38:08
Speaker 2: been on the racetrack. I mean, you don't go off
38:10
Speaker 2: the track, so it has to be on the road.
38:13
Speaker 2: And they would have thought if you've been racing there
38:16
Speaker 2: for what is it more than fifty years or about
38:19
Speaker 2: fifty years if they are any there. They're long gone.
38:22
Speaker 2: But is that what the issue is? Little artifacts on
38:25
Speaker 2: the track.
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Speaker 12: Well, there are, like you said, stone artifacts on the track,
38:31
Speaker 12: but there are middens and ovens and other archaeological stuff
38:41
Speaker 12: spread all around the light.
38:43
Speaker 2: As you say, you're not driving over them. No, but that.
38:48
Speaker 12: Doesn't seem to matter. If we go within the vicinity
38:54
Speaker 12: of them. They claim that will be destroying them.
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Speaker 2: That seems to be very, very unlikely. George. Now in
39:05
Speaker 2: this time that they've found these, Oh, look, you know
39:08
Speaker 2: your track has got really a precious aboriginal stone artifacts,
39:13
Speaker 2: which I presume a little flints, you know, little pieces
39:17
Speaker 2: scraped off for scraping things and whatever, cutting things. Has
39:22
Speaker 2: anyone been around to pick them up maybe and put
39:25
Speaker 2: them in a museum or in safety? Has anyone shown
39:28
Speaker 2: the remotest interest in them since they said they were there?
39:33
Speaker 12: Well, the state government allocated some money was administered by
39:38
Speaker 12: the Bulwark Shore for a conservation management plan that was
39:43
Speaker 12: started in two twenty one and concluded I think in
39:48
Speaker 12: twenty two, and I was privileged to be part of that.
39:54
Speaker 12: There were, like you say, there are pieces of stone
39:59
Speaker 12: every where basically, but I don't think robberttiles had hurt stones.
40:05
Speaker 12: Somewhere there were a couple of half or ovens as
40:11
Speaker 12: they called. We've been running over them through ignorance. If
40:17
Speaker 12: we've been told, we would have protected them in some way.
40:21
Speaker 12: And it's the same with.
40:24
Speaker 2: All the other facts out there.
40:26
Speaker 12: If we'd been made aware of them, we would have
40:29
Speaker 12: protected them, because we all know that the Aboriginals walk
40:34
Speaker 12: all over this country and left would.
40:42
Speaker 2: Well exactly there. There must be millions and millions and
40:44
Speaker 2: millions of these things. I mean, if these are so precious,
40:48
Speaker 2: pick them up, put them in a museum, don't leave
40:51
Speaker 2: them on a road. I mean, what do they expect
40:53
Speaker 2: will happen on that road? I mean, really, George Body,
40:56
Speaker 2: I have great sympathy with you and greatest strange tradition.
41:00
Speaker 2: I know you're holding it on other farms or whatever.
41:02
Speaker 2: It's not the same and I'm sorry that you were
41:05
Speaker 2: subjected to this nonsense. Thank you so much for your time.
41:10
Speaker 2: That's Australia today. It's just believable. After the break the
41:15
Speaker 2: Australian Teachers is a girl coosing up to hamas terrorists
41:19
Speaker 2: is actually cuteness overload, and we fund these people. Well,
41:28
Speaker 2: here's yet Another example of a Muslim teacher or academic
41:31
Speaker 2: and Australia preaching extremism or certainly seeming to this one
41:36
Speaker 2: is Mariam Tahami is a teacher at a private Muslim
41:39
Speaker 2: college in Western City. I won't name it yet, who
41:43
Speaker 2: on her Facebook page has posted this praise of a
41:46
Speaker 2: girl with a Hamas headband coming up to terrorists from
41:49
Speaker 2: the Hamas Armed Wing ALCACAM. I must be in the
41:53
Speaker 2: terrorist of course, it's slaughter twelve hundred Jews on October seventh.
41:57
Speaker 2: And this teacher has actually posted you can see under
42:02
Speaker 2: this cuteness and courage overload. This is cuteness. Joining me
42:09
Speaker 2: is the panel Will Kingston host The far At Will
42:12
Speaker 2: a podcaster and the Spectator and Politican and culture and
42:14
Speaker 2: Scane is host the Nikka to Georgio Now with her
42:17
Speaker 2: own show here every Friday at five pm. Will it
42:21
Speaker 2: stuns me? How like in a blink of an eye,
42:24
Speaker 2: we've gone in Australia from saying oh no, no, you know,
42:27
Speaker 2: I must has got nothing terrible. I must got nothing
42:29
Speaker 2: to do with Palestinian people of Gaza too.
42:32
Speaker 12: You know.
42:32
Speaker 2: It doesn't represent to now a point where a teacher
42:35
Speaker 2: openly says a teacher of children, saying, children coming up
42:38
Speaker 2: to her mass, they're cute and courageous. What has happened
42:40
Speaker 2: to Australia.
42:43
Speaker 11: Yeah, Andrew, I think you've just hit on the uncomfortable
42:46
Speaker 11: truth at the heart of this conflict, and that is
42:49
Speaker 11: that the views of her mus are not disconnected from
42:54
Speaker 11: the ideology of the majority of the Palestinian people. In fact,
42:58
Speaker 11: they're in lockstep. Now you can say that is a tragedy.
43:02
Speaker 11: You can say that over a twenty year period, that
43:05
Speaker 11: community has been brainwashed by a genocidal, evil regime, but
43:11
Speaker 11: the fact remains that they are in lockstep. And this
43:14
Speaker 11: isn't just an abstract problem for Australia. It's a very
43:16
Speaker 11: real problem. Because Australia is now taking in thousands more
43:21
Speaker 11: Palestinian refugees than any other Western country. You're going to
43:25
Speaker 11: see more posts like the one that you just put
43:28
Speaker 11: up in Australia because sadly, most of the people who
43:31
Speaker 11: will be coming into this country will have views that
43:34
Speaker 11: are sympathetic to the ideology of her Mass. That is
43:38
Speaker 11: obviously not a good thing for our social cohesion. That
43:41
Speaker 11: is obviously dangerous. I have no idea why the government
43:45
Speaker 11: have chosen this hill to die on, and I think
43:47
Speaker 11: it's very, very concerning.
43:51
Speaker 2: For twenty years more, I've said, no, you're wrong. People
43:56
Speaker 2: like you will know, you know, these are not represented
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Speaker 2: the way to Muslim community, and I tried to cling
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Speaker 2: to that belief. But I have to say I don't
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Speaker 2: hear enough at all Muslim leaders this is seeing themselves
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Speaker 2: from this stuff, not at all. And this is a
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Speaker 2: really concerning thing. And Danika, it seems to be our
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Speaker 2: cohesion really is under threat like never before. It's not
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Speaker 2: just things like this, and our government's actually funding this.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a small example. The New South Wales
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Speaker 2: government and Sydney Council boat sponsor the Sydney gain Lesbian
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Speaker 2: Mardi Gras that was held last weekend, featuring this time
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Speaker 2: scenes like this and aboriginy and high red boots pretending
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Speaker 2: then to spear a white guy mocking or playing Christ. Now,
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Speaker 2: I know that's just one scene from a whole parade,
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Speaker 2: but why do taxpayers fund this event?
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Speaker 10: Remind me, well, look, I've got to be honest, Andrew.
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Speaker 13: I'm not overly offended by this, simply because the Mardi
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Speaker 13: Gras has always been outrageous and they do all sorts
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Speaker 13: of ridiculous, stupid things. I actually think it's more ut
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Speaker 13: representative of the state of the lgbt Q community right now,
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Speaker 13: which prides itself on so called tolerance and equality and
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Speaker 13: love for everybody. But isn't it funny that that love,
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Speaker 13: tolerance and equality doesn't quite extend to certain members of
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Speaker 13: our community, particularly when it comes to Christianity. There are
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Speaker 13: eleven million Christians in this country at least at least
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Speaker 13: and I would say that there are eleven million Christians
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Speaker 13: in this country, Andrew, and I'm sure many of them
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Speaker 13: would actually be very offended by that. I mean, imagine
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Speaker 13: if it was Islam being mocked, If it was Muhammad
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Speaker 13: up against a tree with a spear being pointed at him,
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Speaker 13: can you imagine the outcry.
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Speaker 10: It would be called a hate crime, there would be
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Speaker 10: all sorts of calls in the community.
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Speaker 13: But when it comes to Christianity, I'm not sure why
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Speaker 13: it's acceptable.
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Speaker 10: Again, I would say that the Mardi Gras, I get it.
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Speaker 13: I understand that people are calling for it to be defunded,
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Speaker 13: but this is just more peak lunacy to come from
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Speaker 13: this event.
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Speaker 2: You know. I've got a couple of things against the
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Speaker 2: gay and lesbian Mardi Graw. One is that it identifies
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Speaker 2: gay and lesbian behavior with right out there exhibitionism, you know,
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Speaker 2: sexuality and all that. I just think, you know, what
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Speaker 2: about the gentlemen and gentle ladies I know who are
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Speaker 2: gay and lesbians that that doesn't represent. But also it
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Speaker 2: was anti police, it's anti and you actually had gaze
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Speaker 2: for what the gays for Islam or gays for Palestine
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Speaker 2: marching in there like in Turkys for Christmas. Well, what
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Speaker 2: do you make of all this?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Andrew, I think that's a really good point. I
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Speaker 11: have so many gay friends who hate the Mardi Grass.
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Speaker 11: They say that it represents a weird fringe aspect of
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Speaker 11: their culture, but somehow they're forced to go along with
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Speaker 11: it because you know, of diversity, tolerance, lots of stuff
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Speaker 11: that Danika mentioned. So it's pretty distasteful, But I wouldn't
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Speaker 11: suggest that it is representative of the Okay community.
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Speaker 2: More broadly.
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Speaker 11: I think it's representative of a pretty weird fringe element.
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Speaker 2: But the point is, Sanieka, I know it's a tourism event.
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Speaker 2: I know that, and you know, money, money, money, but
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Speaker 2: governments should be funding things that benefit us in more
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Speaker 2: ways than earning money. And my question really is why
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Speaker 2: I fund an event that prides itself from being out there,
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Speaker 2: which has been recently hostile to police even being there
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Speaker 2: marching along and has seen this. I'm not sure. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if they want to fund it themselves, the participants go,
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Speaker 2: you harness them, not against the marching in the street
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Speaker 2: at all, But I don't understand why public money must
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Speaker 2: be involved.
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Speaker 10: No, I completely agree with you.
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Speaker 13: I don't think necessarily, Andrew, that public money should be
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Speaker 13: going towards funding this event as it has since what
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Speaker 13: for goodness knows how long this event has been going for.
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Speaker 13: I completely agree if you want to self fund it
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Speaker 13: self fund it. I do agree that where are talking
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Speaker 13: only a fringe of this community. I too have gay
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Speaker 13: friends who say the exact same thing. They say that
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Speaker 13: this is a complete joke. But I again, I don't.
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Speaker 13: I'm not offended personally by the scenes that were carried out.
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Speaker 13: It's just, you know, again, whatever you want to do
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Speaker 13: at that event, that's your prerogative.
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Speaker 10: That's that's how I look at it.
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Speaker 2: I think it's also the hypocrisy. Really, Denika, as you
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Speaker 2: pointed out, they would not dare dream of it. To
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Speaker 2: the one religion which made a lot of countries unsafe
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Speaker 2: for them, they won't do it for them. Danika to
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Speaker 2: Georgia Wilkinston, thanks to you both. That's it from me,
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Speaker 2: Sherry Markson next good Night,