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"He thought that our child was ugly" · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I heard ugly baby. I'm in. Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lennox is suing Tanya Pointer for $ 9, 800.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For IVF treatments that he paid for. Ah, okay. Great.
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  Speaker 1: I need to describe these two people to you because
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  Speaker 1: it does factor into this case. Jeffrey is a white
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  Speaker 1: man in a suit with a square jawline and a beard.
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  Speaker 1: Tanya is a very attractive African-American woman. All right. Two
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  Speaker 1: very attractive people in the courtroom. Right on. We got it?
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. Jeffrey says, Your Honor, I imagine back
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  Speaker 1: to when I was a child. Okay. I'd see photos
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  Speaker 1: of my family, me when I was a kid, my
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  Speaker 1: parents when they were children. And I imagine one day
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  Speaker 1: having photos just like that on my counter with my family,
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  Speaker 1: my wife, and hopefully my kids. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all, in a way, we
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  Speaker 3: all think about this.
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  Speaker 1: And then he says, like, every man dreams when they dream.
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  Speaker 1: They dream what their spouse is going to look like.
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  Speaker 1: And I imagine someone tall, fit and capable mentally and attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Heck yeah, brother. I feel, I feel that I have
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  Speaker 1: certain opportunities. I've gained certain opportunities and I've gained a
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  Speaker 1: lot through my looks. Okay. Wow. This is a good
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  Speaker 1: looking guy. And I have to say he's fine. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, and I wanted my child to
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  Speaker 1: be raised in a similar fashion.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So he wants his.
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  Speaker 3: Child to also gain some benefits from being attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at least he's honest about it. Judge Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Lake is saying, you just took 10 minutes to say
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to have a child you thought was pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you here? And he's like, I did. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted the child to have the life I thought of. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor. And the life you thought of was the
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  Speaker 1: life of what? A child that looked like you? And
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  Speaker 1: he said, yes, Your Honor. I found Tanya at the
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  Speaker 1: gym after spin class. Whatever boxes I needed her to check,
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  Speaker 1: she checked all of them. I mean, look at her.
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  Speaker 1: Heck yeah. Right? Love it. Lauren Lake's like, you met Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Lennox at the gym. Tanya says, yes, your honor. Spin class.
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  Speaker 1: You liked him. He liked you. You started a relationship. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: your honor. Were you forthcoming about your life, your background,
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  Speaker 1: anything that you would think he'd need to know to
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  Speaker 1: be in a very serious relationship? She says, I was
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  Speaker 1: as forthcoming as I needed to be and let him
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  Speaker 1: know what I thought he needed to know. I did
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  Speaker 1: let him know that my parents were killed in a
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  Speaker 1: plane crash, leaving my brother and I all alone. Are
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  Speaker 1: you okay? Yeah. I just like, That, like, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot. Like, what does she keep
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  Speaker 1: from him? Jeffrey, oh, buckle up. Okay. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty big. That's big. That's pretty big. Jeffrey was like,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor, it was months before I found out the
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  Speaker 1: information she just told you. I didn't get her to
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  Speaker 1: tell me until most of the relationship. Okay, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: her freaking journey, brother. Exactly. Exactly. Back off. Tanya says,
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  Speaker 1: he was so focused on my facial features, but the
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  Speaker 1: issue at hand, Your Honor, is his problem with my
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  Speaker 1: cosmetic procedures. After what happened to my parents, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be reminded of my mother because my resemblance
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  Speaker 1: to her was so strong that I had numerous cosmetic
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  Speaker 1: surgeries to change my appearance. Wow, wow, wow. Jeffrey looks pissed.
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  Speaker 1: Like so angry. Okay. Like somebody sick sensed him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tony's like, I wanted to do away with my
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  Speaker 1: past entirely. He feels that since I didn't disclose that information,
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  Speaker 1: I lied to him. And we just had a child together,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor, and he calls my baby ugly. Okay, really quickly.
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  Speaker 1: So I.
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  Speaker 3: Am assuming here, based off of what I've heard thus far,
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  Speaker 3: that she has had a lot of work done on
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  Speaker 3: her face.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. He, looking at her, was unaware of that. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So had some really good work done. The fact that
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  Speaker 1: she has had work done on her face is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: She looks great. Okay, so when you look at her,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, this is not. I was, when this court
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  Speaker 1: case started and it said ugly baby, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: must have been made by two other people. Okay. That, okay. So,
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  Speaker 1: and he did not know that. He didn't get it.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't know that at all.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. She never told him. Right on. All right. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey says it's not true. Your honor. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that her baby's ugly. Tanya's like, he's only one year old.
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  Speaker 1: He's a handsome baby, but since he doesn't look like,
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  Speaker 1: does he not say his baby? Jeffrey is her baby.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't say her baby. She said, okay. Okay. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: because she doesn't look like Jeffrey's family lineage. He's ugly.
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  Speaker 3: Mr. Lennox.
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  Speaker 1: This is now judge. Like Mr. Lennox, you're upset about
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  Speaker 1: what a new baby looks like. How can you be
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  Speaker 1: upset about that? Jeffrey says, it's not my child's looks
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  Speaker 1: that upset me. It was seeing my child for the
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  Speaker 1: first time and how it was looking like a complete stranger.
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  Speaker 1: It put a lot of thoughts in my head and
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  Speaker 1: started confirming some things I'd been thinking, like she must
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  Speaker 1: be cheating on me or other things she hadn't really
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  Speaker 1: been telling me. I thought she was cheating on me.
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  Speaker 1: And then Judge Lauren Lake says, because it didn't look
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  Speaker 1: like you or her. He says exactly right. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: see any of himself in this baby? That's what he says. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We do see a picture of the baby. Okay. Baby's adorable.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that I don't say every baby is adorable.
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  Speaker 1: I hold a firm line of there are ugly babies.
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  Speaker 1: This is not one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's later spring in one. We'll bring in one ugly one. We'll, we'll,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll put that on the screen now. We'll listen
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  Speaker 1: that we don't see the baby till the end. I
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  Speaker 1: need to make that clear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Lauren likes like, so what's the deal? So did you,
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  Speaker 1: so I understand you being concerned. It doesn't look like
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  Speaker 1: either one of you, but like, did, do you think
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  Speaker 1: she cheated on you? He's like, no, but she knows
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  Speaker 1: my position on plastic surgery. That's what he says.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, Lauren Lake says, what do you mean? Jeffrey says,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's disingenuous and shows a lack of integrity.
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  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have paid for IVF treatments had I
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  Speaker 1: known this information about her and that she had an addiction,
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  Speaker 1: an addiction to plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So again, really quickly, just to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: I have all the information here. So he told her that,
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  Speaker 3: that he is very much against plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 1: And this was before baby? Before baby. And she just said,
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  Speaker 1: same goes for me, double? Do we know what that conversation? No.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Lake says, I need to clarify, Mr. Lennox. Did
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  Speaker 1: you say all of this before you had a sexual relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Did you say, I want to be married to you,
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  Speaker 1: have a child with you, I'll pay for IVF, but
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  Speaker 1: only if you haven't had plastic surgery. Did you say that? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He says, no, I did not say that. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like I needed to ask that specific question. Did
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  Speaker 1: you have plastic surgery? Because look at her. The work
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  Speaker 1: is clearly very good. I would have never been able
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  Speaker 1: to tell. She looks amazing.
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  Speaker 3: We get to see some pictures of her before plastic surgery?
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  Speaker 3: Heck yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Great. And then he says, it's clearly well done. Lauren's like,
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  Speaker 1: well done? Somebody didn't bake her in the oven, Mr. Lennox.
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  Speaker 1: He says, well, with all the surgeries she's had done,
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  Speaker 1: that's worth way more than the $ 9, 800 I'm asking for.
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  Speaker 1: Someone went to work on her. Yeah. Lauren Lake says,
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  Speaker 1: went to work? What does this mean? I'm not liking
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  Speaker 1: the way you're objectifying her. Yeah. And Jeffrey says, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to offer into evidence a photo I found. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bring it in. Does this look like the same person?
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  Speaker 1: It does not look like the same person. Now I
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  Speaker 1: need to say this. It does not look like a
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  Speaker 1: completely different person. Sure. And Lauren Lake points out the
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  Speaker 1: shape of her eyes, the shape of her face, her eyebrows,
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  Speaker 1: all of that looks the same. Great. So she's like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: she's had work done, but there are clear similarities between
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  Speaker 1: the two people. At this point, Tanya says, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of those photos. I didn't get these
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  Speaker 1: procedures because I thought I was ugly. I got the
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  Speaker 1: procedures because it was traumatizing to look in the mirror
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  Speaker 1: and be reminded of my mother's face. It was very
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  Speaker 1: devastating to me to find out he thought that our
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  Speaker 1: child was ugly because it didn't look like one of
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  Speaker 1: the two of us. But to be clear, she never
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  Speaker 1: shared that with him before. She did not.
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  Speaker 3: That's... she has had these feelings about whenever she sees
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  Speaker 3: pictures of her mom, it's led her to plight.
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  Speaker 1: She never confided in that. And he also says, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: he reminds the court of that, and then he says,
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  Speaker 1: Tanya would always say, the old Tanya is dead, don't
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  Speaker 1: talk about her. To me. All the time. That's what
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  Speaker 1: she would say. Tanya's like, that's because my parents are
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  Speaker 1: a real touchy subject. Yep. Judge Lauren Lake says, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to be clear. Your testimony is that you
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  Speaker 1: don't know her, but also paid for IVF treatments to
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  Speaker 1: have with her. She was secretive about her past. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: answer your questions, but yes, let's have a baby. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Make that make sense to me. Yeah. Once again, Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Lake crushing it. Yeah. Jeffrey says she assured me she'd
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  Speaker 1: be honest with me and that I could trust her.
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  Speaker 1: That was a cover story to prevent me from understanding
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  Speaker 1: that she hacked her body to upgrade her life.
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  Speaker 3: Buddy, just like try with different words. Try with different words.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Lake says, why are you being so melodramatic about
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  Speaker 1: plastic surgery? You are saying that you're suing her for
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  Speaker 1: basically breach of some sort of unwritten contract. Prove that
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  Speaker 1: to me. He says, it's a marriage contract, your honor.
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  Speaker 1: I've been used. The damage is plain. I was lied
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  Speaker 1: to and I can't have that lack of trust back.
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  Speaker 1: or in a relationship. I can't have it. And she says,
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  Speaker 1: so get a divorce. He said, we did. He, she said,
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  Speaker 1: what's your issue now? Well, we didn't have a prenup
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  Speaker 1: and I want some measure of honesty that she understands.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the $ 9, 800. We then see a
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  Speaker 1: picture of the baby. The baby is unequivocally adorable. Judge
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Lake is speechless. Jeffrey says, your honor, if I may,
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  Speaker 1: I had a dream when I was young. Come on, dude.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, and I want to be very clear, this
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  Speaker 1: guy to black judge and black defendant goes, I have
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  Speaker 1: a dream.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, black judge, black defendant. He goes, I have
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  Speaker 1: a dream. He thought that was the move. I had
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  Speaker 1: a dream. Your honor, if I may, I had a
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  Speaker 1: dream when I was young and it was to not
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  Speaker 1: have a dishonest, disingenuous wife. Wow. Judge Lauren Lake is
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  Speaker 1: ready to rule. Okay. One of the wilder cases I've
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  Speaker 1: ever experienced. Ever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if there's any world where he
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  Speaker 3: gets money, right? I know he doesn't get money with
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  Speaker 3: the way that he went about it in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Like... You.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I don't, I'm, I'm at a loss because
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  Speaker 3: it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a case to.
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  Speaker 3: Be made where you think that you got.
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  Speaker 1: Married to someone?
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  Speaker 3: That's him.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Love. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That is Kevin Love. Holy cow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: This is important stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There she is. Yep. Would you think that was plastic surgery?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great. You can keep going. If you can show me...
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you everything. Okay, so I do... Like,
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  Speaker 1: there is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if there is a legal case to
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  Speaker 3: be made, Dan, for somebody to be like, hey, I
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  Speaker 3: thought I married somebody. Clearly, I married someone else, or
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  Speaker 3: whatever the argument is that he wants to make about this, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, he.
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  Speaker 3: is clearly very against plastic surgery. She knew that she
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  Speaker 3: didn't feel like she could trust him with that information.
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  Speaker 3: Still decided to go through with the marriage. I felt
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  Speaker 3: like I was duped and lied to. Maybe, maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: some sort of weird case there. But not when you
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  Speaker 3: go in with my baby's ugly. Like... Dude, that's a
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  Speaker 3: crazy thing to say. He's not getting any money. He's
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  Speaker 3: definitely not getting any money. I'm trying to find this
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  Speaker 3: baby for you so you can see that the baby
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  Speaker 3: is so adorable. Yeah, he doesn't get any money. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he clearly doesn't get any money. I haven't watched a
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  Speaker 3: lot of divorce court, right? But maybe in a divorce
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  Speaker 3: court setting, if you can prove... That, Hey, I had
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  Speaker 3: these conversations with her about my views on plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 3: She held that from me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm now. You have to have a prenup. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just like out of nowhere, but man, what
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  Speaker 1: a way to try to. Yeah. It's tough. She does
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  Speaker 1: read in the right act and say he should be
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  Speaker 1: ashamed of himself, which he 100% should be ashamed of himself.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 15:16
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  Speaker 3: And then also, I love this idea. Rule on your case.
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  Speaker 3: So Tiffany Hall is suing Kendra Collins for $ 900. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Are you for a, for a dress? Okay. Yeah. That's
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  Speaker 1: the same person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Easily. That's the same person. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So Tiffany is suing $ 900 for the cost of a
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  Speaker 3: dress that she says was ruined by Miss Collins.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you ready?
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  Speaker 3: So Tiffany comes out swinging right away. She says, Kendra
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  Speaker 3: owes me $ 900 for assaulting me at the club and
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  Speaker 3: spilling red wine all over my Prada dress.
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  Speaker 1: So Tiffany.
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  Speaker 3: had been talking to a guy on Tinder named Trent.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Trent.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Trent and her had been talking for, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, really hitting it off. And crazily enough, would.
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  Speaker 1: You say that? Crazily enough. Yeah, absolutely. They end up
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  Speaker 1: at the same club on the same night. Tiffany and Trent.
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  Speaker 1: She says it was so cute. So cute. In that
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  Speaker 1: life sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: So she goes to talk to him, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: Kendra comes up, starts swinging at me, and pours her
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  Speaker 3: entire red wine drink on my dress. Kendra says that
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  Speaker 3: this Tiffany girl is clearly delusional. I don't know where
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  Speaker 3: this first story is coming from. First, me and Tinder
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  Speaker 3: are very happy together. I don't know what Tinder has
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  Speaker 3: to do with anything, but we're happy together. We go
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  Speaker 3: to the club, we go to club fusion.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Club fusion and her and Trent spends the money that
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you need to spend in order to get your very
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: own VIP section. Ooh, bottle service.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: $ 800. I guess is what that costs. Okay. Big money.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: And, um, so Kendra goes to the restroom and comes
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: back and sees this random girl in their VIP section
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: on Trent's lap.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: And she says, well, I don't recall this girl paying
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: any money to help with the cost of the bottles that.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: We purchased for this VIP section.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: So I go over, hurry over to try to figure
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: out what's going on. And as I'm walking back, I trip.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And the wine goes on to Tiffany's dress. It was
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: an accident. 100% accident. But if that's what God intended,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that's what God intended.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Weird thing to say in court, Kendra.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Judge Dad says, oh, it just got real good. Are
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you denying the assault? Did you swing at her? And
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Kendra says, no, I'm not one of the real housewives.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: There was no fighting in the VIP section. I don't
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: know what she's talking about. Maybe she thought that as
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I was falling and I'm trying to catch myself, maybe
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: she thought that I was swinging at her, you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: one of these numbers, you know, as you're falling.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But no, I did not swing at her. I'm a VIP.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: She's a peasant who's never been on VIP before.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Pfft. So judge dad says no name calling unless it's,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: unless I'm the one doing it, which was just a really,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: really interesting thing to say.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: So he asks if they were friends, like, did they
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: know each other at some point? And Tiffany says, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: have never seen this woman before in my life. Um,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I was called over to the VIP section by her boyfriend.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I had to go through security to get there. So,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: you know, I clearly was invited into the VIP section
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: and I have proof that we were talking on Tinder.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Judge Dad says, did you know this guy had a girlfriend?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: And she says, I had no idea. And I did
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: not see her there. And I swear on a stack
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of Bibles, didn't. Kendra says, my boyfriend wouldn't just call
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: some girl over. She clearly saw him snuck into the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: VIP section.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't do that. man really standing up for your
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: boyfriend yeah So.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Judge Dad says, and yet he would talk to another
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: girl on Tinder. Why are you not more upset about
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the fact that he was talking to another girl on Tinder?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And he and she says, well, she messaged him on Tinder.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: He had Tinder before we started dating, never deleted the app.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I did the same thing. I still had the app
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: on my phone. even though we were dating and just
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: never opened it. But if someone messages you on, on Tinder,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you would get that notification. And so it makes sense
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that he would maybe see that someone messaged him on
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Twitter and look at it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: But, um, he says, Kendra, do you consider what your
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: boyfriend did on Tinder to be cheating? And she says, yes.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Although I haven't had that entire conversation with him yet. Um,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But I also don't think it's relevant to why we're
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: here today.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: And he says, well, it's relevant because if you knew that,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: it would show motive to maybe you're suspecting that he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: talking to someone and then you see a woman on
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the lap and maybe you get a little upset about
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it and then you accidentally spill the wine. He asks Tiffany,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: is there any way that she... uh, wasn't swinging at
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: her was like, is it, is it possible that what
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: she says that she was just trying to catch herself?
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Is it possible that that was true? And she says
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it's possible, but not.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: With the words that were coming out of her mouth
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: at the same time as when she was falling. She's
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: calling me a word that rhymes with which, um, she
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be mad at me. She should be mad at
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: her boyfriend. Kendra says, well, my boyfriend isn't suing me. Plus,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: the dress is clearly a knockoff. I paid for the bottles,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: and I wouldn't waste that money. I wouldn't waste the
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: money that I spent on this wine. VIP sections are tight,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and I was trying to figure out who this person was.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I was walking quickly. I tripped.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: That's all there is to it. Judge Dad asks how
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: she feels, how she really feels about her boyfriend talking
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: to another girl. Let's get to it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: How do you really feel?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Come on. Come on.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Let's rap.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: She says, it definitely made me sad. But again, it's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: not a conversation that I've had with him yet. Judge
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Dad says, you haven't been able to have the conversation
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: with him since the incident?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: She says, no, I just haven't done it. And he says,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you like your dad right now.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Okay. All right.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. You're smart. You're witty. Any guy would be
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: lucky to be in your presence. What is going on?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: This guy was tinkering. He was tinkering. He was tinkering around.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: You deserve better. Kendra brings a witness. Who is Kendra's witness?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend. Trent the boyfriend.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Trent. He shares his side of the story. His girlfriend
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: goes to the restroom. He hears another girl hollering his
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: name from across the club. Can't understand what she's saying, though.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: No. Bring her in closer. He's like, come on, get
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in here. Next thing you know, she's on my lap.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: And then Kendra comes over, and that's when it happened.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: But total accident. Yeah, it just was when you fell
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: on my lap. There's nothing I'm going to do.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Uh, how did she end up on your lap? He says,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: she sat on my lap. I didn't ask her to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: sit on my lap. Judge dad says, uh, you knew
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: her ahead of time though. And he says, I guess
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I talked to her on Tinder at some point, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I couldn't place her. Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You know, sounds like a good shaggy.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Uh, do you, uh, do you not find it inappropriate
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: for you to invite another girl into the VIP area
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that you're sharing with your girlfriend while she's in the bathroom?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And Trent says, it's not ideal. But I'm a friendly guy.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: If someone wants to talk to me, I want to
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: talk to them.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You know? On my lap or otherwise. I added that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: last part.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Tiffany says, he wasn't talking to me like someone who
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: has a girlfriend.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: All right. Okay.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Judge Daz says, well, just like, this is a weird
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: thing for him to say. I just remembered he said
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it and I wrote it down. This is Judge Dad's.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: This is Judge Dad. He says, well, just like a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: woman can apparently fake an orgasm, a man can fake
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: not being in a relationship for a few minutes.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: All right, Judge Dad. Judge Dad's take right there. Judge
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Dad has a perhaps unresolved issue. I don't know. There's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a lot going on there, Judge Dad. I don't know
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what that is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Anyway. Uh, so Trent says he doesn't talk to girls
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: on Tinder. He's been in a happy relationship for three years.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: He's definitely going to delete Tinder. It's not a problem. No, no, no.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I can quit anytime.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, judge dad says, it sounds like you're going to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: delete the app because you got caught. So I think
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you have to have a hard, long conversation with your
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: girlfriend because I don't think.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You're happy for some reason. Trent, um, I don't think
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this is a one-time thing.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I think that this is a problem and you need
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: to talk to her. And then he says, Kendra, my
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: dear daughter.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. It isn't, it wasn't a mistake. It's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a pattern.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Stand up for yourself. He's not as good as it gets.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: This whole moment is beneath you. Judge dad is ready
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to rule. I don't, after all of this dad nonsense,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know how he's going to rule. My guess is,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: is that he's not going to give her any money
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: because it's really Trent's fault.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And you didn't sue Trent. You sued the girl that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: says it was an accident. She said it was an accident.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: How can we possibly sue somebody who won't say that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: she did the thing? It's she said, she said, there's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: no proof. That's where I'm at.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Well, He says, uh, Tiff, it was her name, Tiffany,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Tiffany and Kendra, Tiffany. Yeah. I've got good news. And
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: now I got bad news. You want the good news
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: or the bad news? Oh my God. And she says, uh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the bad news.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And, and he says, you're not going to get any
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: money from the defendant today.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, the good news is, is you are going
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to get money from Trent. I don't think he knows
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: how this works.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Trent's like, wait, how did I get pulled into this?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: He says, you created the problem. She didn't sue Trent.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Stop messing around with people's lives. Be a man and
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: pay her.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But Trent wasn't on trial. I don't know if it matters.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think it does. I don't think it matters
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: in judge, in judge dad's court. Judge dad's just dad's
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it up out there. This is dad. This is dad.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's just dad doing dad stuff. I gotta be honest.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that was an option. You didn't either.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And when it, it's not, when it happened. I couldn't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: believe it. Judge Dad. Judge Dad. Would you watch again? Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: You like Judge Dad? Love Judge Dad. There you have it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: This case, you know, it started in 2021 and all
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: of it was virtual. And I don't know if that's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the entire show. I don't know if everything is virtually.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So it's all virtual. The one you watched.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: The one I watched was all virtual. Fascinating.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Which is a little bit weird, but it did make
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: for a great moment where he was like.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Bring Trent back in. You're going to pay all the money.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And Trent's like, whoa.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: This was pretty fun. All right. We did it, everybody.
• 27:16
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• 27:17
  Speaker 1: two more. I love it. You're going to do Judge Rinder.
• 27:20
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