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The Bolt Report | 23 December · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Good in Bolton Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the bolt Report.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio coming up tonight. Anthony Alberzi continues to
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Speaker 3: resist calls for a Bondi Royal commission, arguing one wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Called after the Linked Cafe siege.
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Speaker 3: I'll get reaction from former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who
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Speaker 3: was leader at the time of that attack, and you
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Speaker 3: won't want.
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Speaker 2: To miss what he has to say.
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Speaker 3: A Sky News Yugov poll finds sixty two percent of
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Speaker 3: voters believe the federal government has badly handled the issue
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Speaker 3: of Islamic extremism, and Labor announces a raft of travel
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Speaker 3: regulations for politicians after Minister Anika Wells went on a
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Speaker 3: global spendithon with your money, but first tonight, all we
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Speaker 3: have seen for the past week since the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 3: is a snap decision here, a snap decision there by
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Speaker 3: government rushing through legislation with no thought about the consequences
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Speaker 3: for you at home.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The reality is, for far too long hate has been
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Speaker 3: allowed to festa in this country and it circles back
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Speaker 3: to radical Islam, a topic that really no leader has
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Speaker 3: been for the past two years willing to confront and it's.
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Speaker 2: A blight on those leaders that it's.
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Speaker 3: Taken the massacre of fifteen innocent people, including a ten
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Speaker 3: year old girl, to even start talking about shutting down
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Speaker 3: that hate. Now we've been warning on sky News for
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Speaker 3: some time about notorious Sydney hate preacher Wissam Haddad, a Muslim.
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Speaker 2: Cleric who gave a kill Jews.
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Speaker 3: Sermon in Sydney under the name Abu Usad and who
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Speaker 3: has expressed support for terrorist groups including Islamic State and
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Speaker 3: Al Kaider. He's also a close friend of Islamic State,
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Speaker 3: jihades Karli Sharuf and Mohammed elma Now had to Dard
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Speaker 3: is associated with the Almadina Dhahwa Center in Sydney, a
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Speaker 3: breeding ground for extremists, a center alleged Bondai terrorist Navid
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Speaker 3: Akram was associated with. So much so he'd allegedly been
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Speaker 3: distributing pamphlets for an Islamic street preaching group.
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Speaker 4: Spread the message allows one and Muhammed's lost miss into
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Speaker 3: Today the City of Canterbury Bankstown moved to shut down
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Speaker 3: the Lmadina Dawar facility, which is says has been running
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Speaker 3: as an.
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Speaker 2: Illegal prayer hall by Hadad.
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Speaker 3: The council says a cease use directive on Hadad was
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Speaker 3: issued by Council's regulatory and compliance team late yesterday following surveillance.
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Speaker 2: A review of council's records.
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Speaker 3: Dating back to nineteen seventy reveals the center has never
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Speaker 3: had approval to operate as a prayer haul and was
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Speaker 3: only recently being approved to operate as a medical center.
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Speaker 3: It goes on to say, our recent surveillance indicates there
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Speaker 3: is a strong suspicion the premises is being used contrary
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Speaker 3: to its intended use. We have issued the cease use notices,
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Speaker 3: which will be effective immediately. There are no compromises and
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Speaker 3: we will be taking further action if they don't comply now.
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Speaker 3: Councils said it has been monitoring the center since May
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Speaker 3: after reports her dad made a speech from the center
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Speaker 3: that the Jewish lobby wanted to destroy Islam. And here
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Speaker 3: are some of those comments to the invading Jews.
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Speaker 5: We see by Allah, the day you will be kicked out.
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Speaker 6: Of Palestine is coming, are they when the stones and
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Speaker 6: the trees will speak and say, oh, Muslim there.
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Speaker 1: Is a do you behind me? Come and kill him.
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Speaker 6: I can't take away from the fact, first and foremost
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Speaker 6: that jihad is definitely part of el dinner and as
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Speaker 6: Muslims we should never ever shy away from this. And yes,
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Speaker 6: then there may be types of jihad. What of the
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Speaker 6: peak of this jihad is that which the message of
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Speaker 6: Muhammad Salad was set and spoken about. And I'll read
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Speaker 6: the hat it's soon and that is fighting in the
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Speaker 6: path of a las oligin a physical fight.
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Speaker 3: About time that this center of hate was shut down,
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Speaker 3: And I will say, Mayor Belal al Hayek has more
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Speaker 3: guts than the prime minister. But it's unacceptable that it's
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Speaker 3: being shut down because of planning and council violations as
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Speaker 3: opposed to the extremist ideology being spewed inside.
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Speaker 2: Why wasn't the center shut down years ago by labor?
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Speaker 2: What was the hold up?
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Speaker 3: And now it's actually been left to council to shut
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Speaker 3: it down via a violation. In May, the Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 3: reported that Wissam had been preaching from the Al Medina
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Speaker 3: Dawa Center. A court in June ruled with some Hadad's
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Speaker 3: sermons unlawful after the Council of Executive Council of Australian
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Speaker 3: Jury successfully sued him for racial discrimination. Now Canterbury Bankstown
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Speaker 3: says at the time council investigated the claims and carried
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Speaker 3: out surveillance of the center, but had no evidence.
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Speaker 2: To issue any notices.
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Speaker 3: Despite no complaints from nearby residents, we continued to conduct
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Speaker 3: ongoing surveillance of the premises and we now have the
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Speaker 3: photographic evidence to suspect the center is being used contrary
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Speaker 3: to what it has been approved for. This preaching has
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Speaker 3: gone on for months, if not years. Then seventeen year
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Speaker 3: old Navid Akram allegedly made multiple connections to ISIS members
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Speaker 3: and recruited as a follower of Wissam Hadad.
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Speaker 2: Yet it's taken the murders of fifteen people to get here.
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Speaker 3: It should have been shut down years ago, and not
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Speaker 3: just for its business model and labour. Says, Oh, look,
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Speaker 3: we're going to clamp down on hate preachers. We're going
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Speaker 3: to clamp down on hate speech. Well, my question is
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Speaker 3: will these laws stop the hate associated with radical Islam
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Speaker 3: or will it be used as blasphemy by stealth And
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Speaker 3: we go down the path of the UK where people
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Speaker 3: are being arrested for saying things that the government there
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Speaker 3: doesn't like.
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm all for change when freedom.
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Speaker 3: Of speech does cross into hate speech and violence, and
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Speaker 3: we have certainly seen that out of the Al Medina
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Speaker 3: Dawa Center. But the distinction needs to be made by
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Speaker 3: labor otherwise, is this extreme Islam terror attack just being
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Speaker 3: used by the left to clamp down on your freedom
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Speaker 3: of speech? And it seems Anthony Albanezi is today again
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Speaker 3: all out of ideas on it.
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Speaker 2: He's circling back to gun.
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Speaker 3: Control as the answer to the massacre, repeating the same
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Speaker 3: word salads we've heard before.
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Speaker 7: The terrible events at Bondai show that we do need
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Speaker 7: more guns off our streets. The fact there are more
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Speaker 7: guns in Australia today than there were at the time
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Speaker 7: of the Port Arthur massacre is of.
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Speaker 8: Real concern to Australians. Needs to change.
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Speaker 7: Australia's gun laws will last substantially reformed in the wake
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Speaker 7: of the Port Arthur tragedy. The terrible events at Bondai
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Speaker 7: show we need to get more guns off our streets.
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Speaker 7: One of the terrorists, of course, held a firearm license
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Speaker 7: and had six guns. There is no reason why someone
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Speaker 7: living in bonnie Rig needs six heavy arms, which is
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Speaker 7: what we saw to commit this crime. We know that
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Speaker 7: one of these terrorsts held a firearm license and had
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Speaker 7: six guns in spite of living in the middle of
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Speaker 7: Sydney suburbs. They're at Bonnirick. There's no reason why someone
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Speaker 7: in that situation neweded that many guns up.
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Speaker 3: It's not the guns, it's the Islamic extremists pulling the trigger.
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Speaker 2: What are you doing about those people?
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Speaker 3: What are you doing about the people brought into this
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Speaker 3: country under a runaway migration policy which has seen some
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Speaker 3: people brought in who hate us and hate our values.
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Speaker 3: And will you front up to the fact that your
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Speaker 3: diverse Australia has failed by the continued effort to bring
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Speaker 3: people in from countries who were incompatible with our own
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Speaker 3: under the guise of multiculturalism.
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Speaker 2: A Sky News ugov Pole release.
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Speaker 3: Today found sixty two percent of voters said the federal
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Speaker 3: government had badly handled the issue of Islamic extremism. This
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Speaker 3: included thirty six percent of people who said the issue
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Speaker 3: had been handled very badly and twenty six who said badly.
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Speaker 3: Fifty eight percent of voters said the government had badly
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Speaker 3: handled anti Semitism, including thirty three percent who said very
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Speaker 3: badly twenty five percent who said badly. Yet Islamic extremists
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Speaker 3: commit terror at Bondai and the government screams guns, hate
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Speaker 3: speech and Nazis.
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Speaker 8: For organizations which for a generation, organizations like his book
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Speaker 8: to Career and the neo Nazis for a generation have
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Speaker 8: managed to keep themselves just on the legal side of
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Speaker 8: Australian law, but never on the side of the Australian community.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Tony Burke can't even mention his book area
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Speaker 3: without mentioning neo Nazis. I'm all for a crackdown on
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Speaker 3: neo Nazis, but again it's conflating one issue with another
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Speaker 3: for the sake of as the Prime Minister would say, unity.
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Speaker 7: I certainly do regret the politicization of this issue.
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Speaker 5: This is.
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Speaker 8: A time where the nation.
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Speaker 7: Needs to come together in unity and with that sense
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Speaker 7: of purpose. This is not a time for people to
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Speaker 7: look for political product differentiation for the sake of it,
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Speaker 7: and I'll continue to argue for unity.
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Speaker 3: Unity, and yet we are the ones who will suffer
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Speaker 3: through rush laws which don't address the heart of the issue,
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Speaker 3: because we've imported hatred for the sake of unity. Rabbi
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Speaker 3: Mendel Pastel, whose brother in law, Rabbi Eli Schlanger was
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Speaker 3: murdered at Bondi explained it very well today.
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Speaker 9: We're not going to legislate ourselves out of this and create.
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Speaker 10: More rules and more rules and more rules as to what.
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Speaker 1: You could and can say.
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Speaker 9: The way we're going to get past it is for
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Speaker 9: every single one of us to know that we have
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Speaker 9: to have a zero tolerance for anything that makes people
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Speaker 9: feel uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't have to reach a threshold. A threshold is zero.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese's response is textbook left leaning governments who refused
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Speaker 3: to address the consequences of mass migration. Jews have been
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Speaker 3: targeted and slaughtered just for being Jews. To divert attention
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Speaker 3: away from the real issue under the guise of multiculturalism
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Speaker 3: and restricting our own freedoms to do so is a
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Speaker 3: blight on our leaders. And earlier I caught up with
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Speaker 3: former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Tony Abbott, thank you very
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Speaker 3: much for your time. The Prime Minister today spoke about
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Speaker 3: a perversion of Islam and that the attack was motivated
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Speaker 3: by Isis. Now, I would say that Australia is pretty tolerant.
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Speaker 3: We've been tolerant after the Link Cafe siege, the murder
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Speaker 3: of Curtis Cheng, the attack on Bishop mar Mari Emmanuel.
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Speaker 3: We watched in horror at nine to eleven the Bali bombings.
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Speaker 3: Now we've seen fifteen people murdered in cold blood. That
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Speaker 3: tolerance has snapped. If we don't do something about radical
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Speaker 3: Islam now, then when will.
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Speaker 11: We exactly right?
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Speaker 12: And it's really taken wild horses to drag the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 12: kicking and screaming to this position. Radical militant death to
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Speaker 12: the infidel's. Islamism has been a problem for at least
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Speaker 12: a decade at least since the rise of Islamic State,
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Speaker 12: and yet we've had no hate preachers deported or prosecuted.
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Speaker 12: We've had no hate marches banned and dispersed. This is
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Speaker 12: a government and a Prime Minister that has really been
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Speaker 12: absolutely asleep at the wheel when it comes to the
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Speaker 12: challenge of radical death to the Infidel's Islamism which has
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Speaker 12: now erupted horribly in our midst and I just think
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Speaker 12: that for the first time in my life, we.
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Speaker 11: Have let ourselves down as a country.
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Speaker 12: But the main culprit is the Prime Minister who has
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Speaker 12: not taken and the threat of radical Islam.
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Speaker 11: Seriously, So what is.
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Speaker 3: It going to take to tackle this? Where would you
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Speaker 3: start if you were still leader of this country.
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Speaker 12: Well, firstly, we don't need more talk. We do need
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Speaker 12: to deport or prosecute or both the hate preachers. We
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Speaker 12: do need to ban and disperse these hate protests.
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Speaker 11: We do need to be a lot.
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Speaker 12: Stricter about who gets long term visas to come to
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Speaker 12: our country.
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Speaker 11: We do have to absolutely insist.
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Speaker 12: That everyone living in this country takes the words of
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Speaker 12: the Citizenship Oath. Seriously, we do need to keep people
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Speaker 12: on probation for longer if they're coming to this country
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Speaker 12: and if there's the slightest evidence that they aren't going
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Speaker 12: to accept values, particularly our easy going acceptance that people
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Speaker 12: are free to worship, they're free to speak, they're free
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Speaker 12: to think in accordance with their conscience. If there's the
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Speaker 12: slightest suggestion that they are subscribers to.
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Speaker 11: Some kind of death to the Infidel ideology.
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Speaker 12: Well, then, as even Tony Burke said the other day,
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Speaker 12: if they come here to hate, we don't want them.
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Speaker 12: The trouble is this is a government which hasn't.
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Speaker 11: Acted that way.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's exactly the problem, and it just puts
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Speaker 3: into spotlight our migration policy in this country. Right now,
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Speaker 3: Sky News has commissioned a poll conducted by Yugov which
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Speaker 3: reveals that sixty two percent of Australians think the government
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Speaker 3: has handled Islamic extremism.
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Speaker 2: Badly, and fifty eight percent say that the.
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Speaker 3: Government has handled anti semitism badly, quite high numbers.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of it?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think the public are awake to this government
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Speaker 12: and to this Prime Minister. They realize that the government
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Speaker 12: has been asleep at the wheel. I think they realize
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Speaker 12: that what we've really got is a government full of
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Speaker 12: social justice activists when actually we need at least a
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Speaker 12: few national security warriors. And that's the problem. I just
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Speaker 12: think that this government doesn't get it when it comes
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Speaker 12: to people who don't like us, who don't like our
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Speaker 12: way of life, and if they possibly can, they want
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Speaker 12: to do us harm. I hope that the government has
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Speaker 12: finally woken up, but nothing that they've done this week
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Speaker 12: suggests that they really have. There's no immediate action, there's
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Speaker 12: been no dramatic change. Everything is being put off to
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Speaker 12: the new year, when there is so much that could
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Speaker 12: be done under existing law, but this government simply hasn't
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Speaker 12: done it.
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Speaker 3: No, and we saw today the Canterbury Banks Down Council
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Speaker 3: is moving to shut down the notorious al Medina Dawa
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Speaker 3: Center in Sydney. This is a center linked to alleged
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Speaker 3: terrorist Navide Akram and run by hate preacher with some Hadad.
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Speaker 3: I mean, my argument right now is okay, this is great,
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Speaker 3: but it's shocking that it's taken the murders of fifteen
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Speaker 3: people to get to this point. We've been warning for
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Speaker 3: some time about this center. I mean, is it just
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Speaker 3: too little, too late?
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Speaker 11: Exactly right.
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Speaker 12: It should not have taken the death of fifteen innocent
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Speaker 12: people to stir this government into action.
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Speaker 11: But even now it's more reviews, more talk.
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Speaker 12: There's no recall of parliament, there's been no change in
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Speaker 12: the way things are policed. The Royal Commission that we
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Speaker 12: really must have to get to the roots of the
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Speaker 12: due hatred which has been rampant in our community, which
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Speaker 12: should look at the whole circumstances which created the December
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Speaker 12: the fourteenth atrocity. Even that is too hard for this
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister. Now, given that we are a country which
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Speaker 12: is accustomed to have raw commissions into all sorts of difficulties,
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Speaker 12: Given that this is the worst terrorist atrocity ever to
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Speaker 12: take place on our soil, we simply must learn everything
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Speaker 12: we possibly can about how it came about.
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Speaker 11: And that includes looking at the air of government. It
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Speaker 11: includes looking.
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Speaker 12: At the climate which has developed in our educational institutions.
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Speaker 12: It includes looking at the anti Semitism which has become
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Speaker 12: entrenched in the broad Marxist left in this country, and
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Speaker 12: the penetration of this anti Semitic Marxist left into institutions.
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Speaker 12: And I think this is one of the reasons why
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister is so reluctant to have a royal commission,
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Speaker 12: because he doesn't want the lid to be lifted on
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Speaker 12: all of this, because, let's face it, this is where
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Speaker 12: his support base has always been.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Abernez, he said today that there wasn't a royal
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Speaker 3: commission called after Port Arthur, and there wasn't one after
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Speaker 3: the Linked Cafe siege. You were the Prime Minister at
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Speaker 3: the time of the Link Cafe attack. What is your
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Speaker 3: response to the Prime Minister's comments on that.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's yet another smokescreen from this minister.
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Speaker 12: Two very important points. Prior to the Lint Cafe siege.
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Speaker 12: We hadn't had two years of growing due hatred. We
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Speaker 12: hadn't had two years of a government neglecting national security.
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Speaker 12: The second point I make is that no one ever
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Speaker 12: accused my government of being soft on Islamist terrorism.
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Speaker 11: I called it out immediately, immediately.
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Speaker 12: Not only did we call out Islamist terrorism, but at
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Speaker 12: the time we had Australian Armed Forces, we had special forces,
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Speaker 12: we had strike fighters in the Middle East fighting against
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Speaker 12: Islamic state.
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Speaker 11: So to draw some parallel between then and now is
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Speaker 11: simply force.
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Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I think there's many of us who
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Speaker 3: think that we could certainly do with Alita like you
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Speaker 3: right now in a time of crisis. Tony Abott, thank
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Speaker 3: you very much for joining me on the show this evening.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 11: Denika.
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Speaker 12: I really worry that what the Prime Minister has in
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Speaker 12: mind is that we're all going to go to sleep
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Speaker 12: over Christmas and forget this. Our country has got to
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Speaker 12: be better than this and this year. Our year's resolutions
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Speaker 12: shouldn't just be to be better people. We've got to
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Speaker 12: be a better country as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're not wrong, and he can't think that
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Speaker 3: he's going to sleep his way through the summer. Wake
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Speaker 3: up when parliament resumes and it's all blown over. This
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Speaker 3: is just the start and it's just unacceptable. There's no
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Speaker 3: Royal Commission. Nice to speak with you, Tony Abott, Thanks very.
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Speaker 2: Much for joining me.
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Speaker 11: Thanks Anika.
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Speaker 3: Bring in our panelists now, former Liberal MP Nicole Flint,
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Speaker 3: a former Federal member for mckella, and president of the
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Liberal Party Jason Flinsky.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to both of you for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Before I get reaction to my interview with Tony Abbott,
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Speaker 3: I just want to bring out of you with some
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Speaker 3: very sad breaking news.
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Speaker 2: Former Liberal MP Katie Allen has passed away.
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Speaker 3: In a post shared to X, her family said, with
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Speaker 3: a heavy heart, we announced the passing of our beloved Katie.
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Speaker 3: She spent her life caring for others as a mother, doctor, professor,
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Speaker 3: MP and friend.
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Speaker 2: She is deeply loved.
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Speaker 3: She passed in peace surrounded by family and lived a full,
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Speaker 3: beautiful life all the way to the end.
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Speaker 2: I know that both of you knew Katie Allen.
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Speaker 3: She was, of course a doctor turned politician, had a
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Speaker 3: terrific career.
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Speaker 2: Nicole, what's your reaction to the news. Well, just when
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Speaker 2: you thought that twenty twenty five couldn't get.
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Speaker 5: Any worse, it did.
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Speaker 14: This is just really, really, really tragic and sad. Katie
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Speaker 14: was only fifty nine years old. She was such an
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Speaker 14: incredible lady, pediatrician, professor, medical researcher. I served with her
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Speaker 14: between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two when I retired
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Speaker 14: from Federal Parliament, and she was just a really lovely, passionate,
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Speaker 14: incredibly hard working lady. And I'm just heartbroken for her husband, Malcolm,
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Speaker 14: and her four kids. And I've just found out about this,
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Speaker 14: so yeah, it's yeah, it's a lot. I'm just what
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Speaker 14: a what a tragedy, and what a loss to the
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Speaker 14: nation and of course to her family.
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Speaker 2: She was an incredible woman, she.
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Speaker 3: Really was, and and just such a strong advocate for
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Speaker 3: her community too. Jason, I know that you knew her
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Speaker 3: personally as well. I mean, this is just a terrible
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Speaker 3: news for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 10: I'm not only that to make sure it's terrible news
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Speaker 10: for the country. I mean, I agree with everything that
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Speaker 10: Nicole just said and more. She was a fierce warrior
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Speaker 10: in the Parliament for making Australia a better place for honesty,
22:47
Speaker 10: for intellectual honesty. She didn't care who she offended. She
22:53
Speaker 10: was only interested in the truth, and she held herself
22:57
Speaker 10: and those people around her to very high standards. And
23:03
Speaker 10: that's how you knew you were a friend of Katie's,
23:05
Speaker 10: because she would hold you to a higher standard than others.
23:10
Speaker 10: She ran again for parliament and wasn't successful. In May
23:14
Speaker 10: this year, she and now shortly thereafter that she had
23:17
Speaker 10: cancer and I don't know why, but I always thought
23:21
Speaker 10: she'd get through it.
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Speaker 1: So this is devastating news.
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Speaker 3: Yes, look it really is. And look, thank you for
23:28
Speaker 3: your tributes. I know that you know it's hard for
23:30
Speaker 3: both of you as well. You both personally knew her,
23:33
Speaker 3: so condolences to her family. She's a real lost to Australia,
23:38
Speaker 3: as you both mentioned.
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Speaker 2: Look, let's move on.
23:41
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're both listening to the interview I just
23:43
Speaker 3: had with Tony Abbott there on why a Royal commission
23:46
Speaker 3: into the Bondai massacre is so needed. Here was what
23:49
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister had to say in response today.
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Speaker 7: That there was no royal commission called by the Howard
23:55
Speaker 7: government after Port Arthur. There was no royal commission called
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Speaker 7: are the Abbot government after the Linked siege.
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Speaker 3: Arthur gunman was a madman and as Tony Abbott pointed
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Speaker 3: out in my interview with him, after the Link Cafe siege,
24:09
Speaker 3: Tony Abbott called out radical Islam and his.
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Speaker 2: Leadership was strong on this.
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Speaker 3: So how can the Prime Minister avoid a royal commission
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Speaker 3: into the worst terror attack on home soil. Well that's
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Speaker 3: right and he well he can avoid it, but the
24:25
Speaker 3: Australian people will judge him accordingly, and quite frankly, Prime
24:29
Speaker 3: Minister Anthony Abernezi has proven time and time again over
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Speaker 3: the past week and a half that he is weak
24:37
Speaker 3: and that he is a coward. This is the worst
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Speaker 3: terror attack Australia has ever seen. We haven't apart from
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Speaker 3: what happened in Israel on the seventh of October twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three.
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Speaker 14: This is the worst attack on a Jewish community worldwide.
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Speaker 14: We have to have a royal commission into this, and
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Speaker 14: more than that, we also need to look at precisely
25:01
Speaker 14: how this type of religious extremism and terrorism has been
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Speaker 14: allowed to grow and to fester in Australia. We are
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Speaker 14: one of traditionally the most tolerant, peaceful and safe countries
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Speaker 14: in the entire world. So the very least that this
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Speaker 14: labor government can do is call a royal commission.
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Speaker 3: And Jason Liberal Senator Dave Sharma quite rightly pointed out
25:28
Speaker 3: today that Anthony Alberesi has supported royal commissions like the
25:32
Speaker 3: UN Oil for Food, child sexual abuse, the banking, aged
25:35
Speaker 3: care sectors, disability, ROBODEBT veteran suicide, but not the most
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Speaker 3: deadly terror attack on our home soil.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of the hypocrisy?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it kind of sticks out like a sort of
25:47
Speaker 10: fun doesn't it. I mean tiny abitshad what leadership actually
25:51
Speaker 10: is when he was Prime Minister, and in that interview
25:53
Speaker 10: adjusted with you Daeneka, Anthony Alberesi is demonstrating how in
25:58
Speaker 10: two years Australia has gone on from one of the
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Speaker 10: most peaceful, law abiding countries in the world to hosting
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Speaker 10: the second worst attack on an ethnic minority in the
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Speaker 10: world of this century. So I mean no wonder he
26:13
Speaker 10: doesn't want a Royal commission. And I think the truth
26:15
Speaker 10: of why he doesn't want a royal commission is because
26:18
Speaker 10: it would have to look at whether there were clear
26:22
Speaker 10: security failures by Asis and Asia, or whether that happened
26:26
Speaker 10: at the New South Wales Police Force level. He would
26:29
Speaker 10: have to look at funding behind these groups that both
26:32
Speaker 10: enable and encourage and foster this hate and division. And
26:36
Speaker 10: he knows that Sunrise Foundation gets a lot of its
26:39
Speaker 10: money from the same people and the other people who
26:41
Speaker 10: fund a lot of the union movement in Australia. And
26:44
Speaker 10: he knows that a lot of the groups that are
26:46
Speaker 10: operating on university campuses across Australia have very close ties
26:51
Speaker 10: to the union movement and to the Labor organization. And
26:54
Speaker 10: he doesn't want any of that experts, so he would
26:58
Speaker 10: rather he has to take the blame cohered rather than
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Speaker 10: risking the truth being exposed.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's it.
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Speaker 3: And in the end, this is not about a witch hunt.
27:07
Speaker 3: This is about making Australians feel safe. It's about making
27:10
Speaker 3: Jews feel safe. At the very least, call a royal
27:13
Speaker 3: commission seriously, I want to get.
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Speaker 2: Your comments on this.
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Speaker 3: Labor has today announced a tightening of travel regulations, of course,
27:20
Speaker 3: after Minister Anika Wells spent one hundred thousand dollars on
27:23
Speaker 3: flights to New York on the taxpayer dime, a trip
27:26
Speaker 3: to Paris Threadbow Sports Grand Finals.
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Speaker 2: That's just to name a few.
27:30
Speaker 3: The changes include all families travel and economy reunion travel
27:34
Speaker 3: restricted to Canberra, and electorates and spouse travel only.
27:37
Speaker 2: When they have been invited to an event? Nicole?
27:41
Speaker 3: Will this appease the public given there was such furious
27:44
Speaker 3: backlash to those revelations, I don't see how it could
27:49
Speaker 3: possibly appease the Australian people who are in the midst
27:53
Speaker 3: of an unprecedented.
27:54
Speaker 2: Unprecedented cost of living crisis.
27:57
Speaker 14: When we have families who you know, what if you're
28:00
Speaker 14: a five foo work in the mining industry, what if
28:02
Speaker 14: you're a member of our defense forces. You're not having
28:04
Speaker 14: your family flying in every other day to for a reunion,
28:08
Speaker 14: are you. It is just so out of step with
28:11
Speaker 14: the reality of day to day life for Australian families
28:14
Speaker 14: that it has to change. And once again we are
28:17
Speaker 14: seeing weak leadership from Anthony Alberanzi because the gold standard
28:23
Speaker 14: when it comes to changing public perceptions and needing to
28:28
Speaker 14: shift parliamentary entitlements with the times comes from John Howard
28:33
Speaker 14: when he abolished the parliamentary pension, and also from Tony
28:37
Speaker 14: Abbott when he abolished the ability of MPs and senators
28:40
Speaker 14: to employ their family members, including their spousers.
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Speaker 2: So there are leaders who have done the right thing.
28:48
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi is not one of them.
28:51
Speaker 1: This Prime Minister has to go.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 14: He has let the Australian people down so badly, as
28:59
Speaker 14: we've just discussed in the most distressing way over the
29:01
Speaker 14: past week and a half. But this is just another
29:04
Speaker 14: example of his week leadership.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely because it didn't pass the pub test from the
29:10
Speaker 3: very beginning. I don't think this goes far enough. Jason,
29:13
Speaker 3: we're almost out of time, But I mean, do you
29:16
Speaker 3: think that these changes go far enough.
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Speaker 10: I know we need to get rid of all these
29:20
Speaker 10: sort of special little bonuses on the side. If people
29:24
Speaker 10: want to fly their family in, they should do it
29:26
Speaker 10: on their own wages. I disagree with Nicole on one thing.
29:30
Speaker 10: I don't want to get rid of Anthony Alberanzi. I
29:32
Speaker 10: think our best chance of winning government is against Anthony Alberanzi.
29:36
Speaker 10: So I hope the Labour Party keeps in there right
29:38
Speaker 10: up until the next selection.
29:43
Speaker 2: I think your raise a good point, Jason. I don't
29:45
Speaker 2: know why we didn't think of that from the beginning,
29:46
Speaker 2: but you know what, you're actually spot on.
29:49
Speaker 3: I like that a lot, Nicole Flinn Jason for Linski,
29:52
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining me, and you're right,
29:54
Speaker 3: it's been not the best end to the year, but
29:56
Speaker 3: I so appreciate you both coming on and you know,
29:59
Speaker 3: particularly sharing your comments there about Katie Allen. She was
30:02
Speaker 3: a real asset to this country. So thank you so
30:04
Speaker 3: much for joining me. Stay with us up after the break.
30:07
Speaker 3: The ABC's managing director Hugh Marx claims criticism of his
30:10
Speaker 3: most senior journalist Laura Tingle and Sarah Ferguson over their
30:14
Speaker 3: coverage a Bondai was unfounded.
30:16
Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Cadavan is next welcome back well.
30:22
Speaker 3: Police claim alleged government Navid Akram and his father Sajed
30:26
Speaker 3: Akram filmed their training in regional New South Wales in
30:29
Speaker 3: preparation for the Bondai attack. In one video released to
30:32
Speaker 3: a court, the pair can be seen firing shotguns and
30:35
Speaker 3: moving in a tactical manner in a countryside location in October.
30:39
Speaker 3: In another video, Navid Akram allegedly recited passages from the
30:43
Speaker 3: Quran in Arabic. Both also spoke in English and made
30:46
Speaker 3: a number of statements regarding their motivation for the Bondai
30:49
Speaker 3: attack and condemning the acts of Zionus. Joining us now
30:53
Speaker 3: is Central Queensland University criminologist doctor Zanthe Mallett.
30:57
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you again, Xanthi.
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Speaker 3: The statement of facts released by police has been quite extraordinary.
31:02
Speaker 3: What does it tell us about the motivation and planning
31:05
Speaker 3: that went into this alleged attack?
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Danika.
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Speaker 13: Well, certainly this looks like a heavily premeditated attack. It's
31:13
Speaker 13: the planning has gone on for allegedly a number of months,
31:17
Speaker 13: father and son potentially traveling to be trained. So this
31:20
Speaker 13: has been going on for quite some time and it's
31:22
Speaker 13: been very detailed.
31:24
Speaker 3: Well, the pair also allegedly carried out a reconnaissance mission
31:28
Speaker 3: to Bondi two days prior. They traveled to archer Pak
31:32
Speaker 3: walked along that now infamous footbridge, and this was on
31:34
Speaker 3: December twelveth so two days prior. What will police now
31:39
Speaker 3: do with this evidence, Zanthe, and how will it form
31:41
Speaker 3: their case?
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Speaker 13: Well, they will be building a very detailed brief of
31:45
Speaker 13: evidence that will not only be looking at the hours
31:48
Speaker 13: and days and weeks and even months before these attacks,
31:51
Speaker 13: they will also be looking at who these men potentially
31:54
Speaker 13: had contact with and how they became radicalized, and if
31:57
Speaker 13: they potentially had any assistance.
31:59
Speaker 14: So it's going to be.
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Speaker 13: A very long process because there is an awful lot
32:03
Speaker 13: of evidence to collect.
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Speaker 2: And I do want to actually ask you about radicalization.
32:08
Speaker 3: But just before it's also been allayed by police at
32:11
Speaker 3: the Acroms through bombs at the crowd. Thankfully they didn't detonate.
32:15
Speaker 3: I mean, this was already a horrific attack, but it
32:18
Speaker 3: could have been even worse.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely so. There were four items thrown at the crowd,
32:24
Speaker 13: allegedly those three pipe bombs and one tennis bomb. And
32:27
Speaker 13: obviously this is a terrible incident, but had any of
32:31
Speaker 13: those actually detonated, it could have been so much worse
32:34
Speaker 13: with a very significant number of victims. So we were
32:37
Speaker 13: actually very fortunate that they were not successful.
32:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you I absolutely said it was already horrific
32:44
Speaker 3: as it was. Now Navida Akrim is being held at
32:48
Speaker 3: one of Australia's most notorious prisons. This is the Long
32:51
Speaker 3: Bay Correctional complex in Sydney. What do we know about
32:55
Speaker 3: that facility?
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Speaker 13: A recent report actually showed that that facility is really
33:00
Speaker 13: that white, outdated. The viciinity is dirty, it's unclean, it's
33:04
Speaker 13: very degrading for those who are incarcerated. Then, whilst the
33:08
Speaker 13: audience may not be concerned about the conditions for the inmates,
33:12
Speaker 13: it's also not safe for those who are working there.
33:15
Speaker 13: So it is a particularly problematic prison. And I imagine
33:18
Speaker 13: he will be in isolation for his own security at
33:22
Speaker 13: this stage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, let's see how long he he
33:27
Speaker 3: lasts Sydney's in isolation.
33:29
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens now.
33:30
Speaker 3: Look, I spoke earlier about Sydney's Al Medina Dhawa Center,
33:33
Speaker 3: which has been allegedly linked to navide Akrum. It's been
33:37
Speaker 3: a breeding ground for hate and extremism. The council now
33:40
Speaker 3: looking to shut it down under a planning regulation. Xanthia,
33:44
Speaker 3: you're a criminologist, you know this area very well. How
33:46
Speaker 3: are young people being indoctrinated by ideology and radical Islam?
33:51
Speaker 2: How does it happen? How does it start?
33:54
Speaker 13: It's all about relationships, Danikas. So they could be online
33:58
Speaker 13: or they could be in person. It could be mentors, friends, family,
34:02
Speaker 13: or radical clerics who are preying on people's psychological weakness
34:07
Speaker 13: in essence and social isolation and they then groom them
34:11
Speaker 13: into radicalization.
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Speaker 2: How big of a threat is radical Islam in this country.
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Speaker 13: Well, we know that agencies such as ACO have reported that,
34:22
Speaker 13: we know that young people are being increasingly radicalized, both
34:25
Speaker 13: online and in person, and there is an increasing threat.
34:29
Speaker 13: And whilst I don't want to scare the nation after
34:32
Speaker 13: the horror that we've seen just over a week ago,
34:34
Speaker 13: it is something that the agencies are looking up very
34:37
Speaker 13: closely and I think we need a lot more funding
34:38
Speaker 13: going into this to make sure that Australia is as
34:41
Speaker 13: safe as it can possibly be.
34:44
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean funding for these departments has to surely
34:48
Speaker 3: be one of the changes made, and pretty quickly, and
34:51
Speaker 3: given what's happened. X Anthey Mallett, nice to see you
34:53
Speaker 3: as always, Thanks very much for your time. Well coming up,
34:56
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, the ABC continue their year of horror
34:59
Speaker 3: as they coverage of the Bondi attack is slammed. That
35:02
Speaker 3: are more coming up. With National Senator Matt Canavan back
35:09
Speaker 3: for more than two years, the ABC has been relentless
35:12
Speaker 3: and it's anti Israel bias. Even after the deaths of
35:15
Speaker 3: fifteen people, Journalists Laura Tingle and Sarah Ferguson conducted themselves
35:19
Speaker 3: more like activists. Have a look absolutely a radicalized these
35:24
Speaker 3: words targeting Jews.
35:25
Speaker 2: It is anti Semitic, but we are ascribing all sorts
35:28
Speaker 2: of things, right, Yeah, their actions are not based on
35:32
Speaker 2: their religion.
35:33
Speaker 3: ABC Managing Director Hugh Marx has since defended the pairs,
35:36
Speaker 3: saying the ABC has reviewed both comments and the programs
35:39
Speaker 3: in question and believes that the criticisms made are unfounded.
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Speaker 3: Jodding me now is National Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: Matt, thanks for your time at every angle.
35:48
Speaker 3: The ABC has been very quick to believe the worst
35:50
Speaker 3: of Israel, and last week's on air performance was another example.
35:54
Speaker 2: But once again deflecting from Hugh Marx, what do you
35:57
Speaker 2: make of it?
35:59
Speaker 5: Well, look to an Acre. I mean, everyone's entitled to
36:02
Speaker 5: their opinion. I'm not shy of expressing mine, as your
36:07
Speaker 5: channel too, hosts a variety of opinions. So just not
36:10
Speaker 5: sure why we spend a billion dollars seeking opinions for
36:15
Speaker 5: almost invariably just one side of the political debate. Billion
36:17
Speaker 5: dollars spent by you. Your viewers have to subsidize this.
36:23
Speaker 5: If these comments were made on a private channel, on
36:25
Speaker 5: a blog post online, we wouldn't be talking about them
36:29
Speaker 5: right now. The reason we're talking about them is because
36:31
Speaker 5: we all fund this, and we fund effectively a one
36:34
Speaker 5: sided debate, not just this is you, but a variety
36:38
Speaker 5: of issues. My biggest complaint with the ABC over many
36:41
Speaker 5: years has been its obsession with a few narrow interests
36:46
Speaker 5: are the purview of the elites, the talking classes among us.
36:50
Speaker 5: The latest over the last couple of years has been
36:53
Speaker 5: the war in Gaza and a pretty one sided slant
36:55
Speaker 5: on that. There are lots of issues in this country.
36:58
Speaker 5: It is the Australian Broadcasting co Operation. There's lots of
37:01
Speaker 5: issues to face people out here in the bush. There's
37:05
Speaker 5: a lots of industries. There's a lots of their environment
37:07
Speaker 5: from the rampant roll out of reckless renewable energy projects,
37:10
Speaker 5: and very little coverage of that on the ABC. So
37:13
Speaker 5: I continue to ask myself where is the billion dollars
37:16
Speaker 5: of taxpayer dollars going and why isn't more of it
37:19
Speaker 5: If we're going to have a public broadcaster, more of
37:21
Speaker 5: it's spent on the public issues. That face everyday Australians.
37:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not on activists journalists, on actual journalists. That's
37:30
Speaker 3: their key job. I completely agree. Now, look, you've called
37:33
Speaker 3: out Labor for its decision not to open a Royal
37:35
Speaker 3: commission into BONDI. You posted on social media that two
37:38
Speaker 3: years ago Labour set up a Senate inquiry into right
37:41
Speaker 3: wing extremism.
37:42
Speaker 2: The LMP moved a motion to expand.
37:44
Speaker 3: The inquiry to look at all types of ideologically and
37:47
Speaker 3: religiously motivated violent extremism, but that was voted down by
37:51
Speaker 3: the amendment by Labor.
37:53
Speaker 2: Matt it was Labor that wanted this Senate inquiry from
37:56
Speaker 2: the very beginning.
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Speaker 3: I just don't understand why they didn't vote, why they
38:00
Speaker 3: voted against expanding it.
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Speaker 5: Well, Denika, the only conclusion you can make is that
38:05
Speaker 5: the Labor Party were politicizing the investigation of extreme views,
38:11
Speaker 5: violently extreme views at times in our community, and being
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Speaker 5: a left wing government, they only wanted to look at
38:16
Speaker 5: right wing issues. To explain the context of this to
38:19
Speaker 5: your viewers, this motion was moved in the Senate just
38:22
Speaker 5: a couple of months after the October seventh attacks. Indeed,
38:27
Speaker 5: just a couple of months after we saw that shocking
38:29
Speaker 5: footage of pro Palestinian protesters threatening Jewish people on the
38:35
Speaker 5: steps of the Sydney Opera House. So just a couple
38:37
Speaker 5: of months after we'd seen that outbreak of shocking anti semitism,
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Speaker 5: the government refused to expand their proposed inquiry into extremist
38:46
Speaker 5: views to tackle ideologically motivated extremism of all types, left
38:51
Speaker 5: or right wing, and we'd also proposed, the olymp had
38:54
Speaker 5: proposed that we expand the inquiry to include religiously motivated
38:59
Speaker 5: extreme ranism, and the government voted that down. The report
39:03
Speaker 5: that this inquiry then released, of course, because they were constrained.
39:06
Speaker 5: It's constrained by the terms of reference, had seventy one
39:08
Speaker 5: mentions of Islam. Seventy of those, seventy one referred to Islamophobia,
39:13
Speaker 5: not the issues of Islamic extremism. The only other one
39:16
Speaker 5: quoted Asio at the time suggesting that the views or
39:21
Speaker 5: the spread of Islamic State and al Qaeda had declined
39:27
Speaker 5: over the last few years and we're no longer as
39:28
Speaker 5: great a concern. So the government clearly turned a blind
39:31
Speaker 5: eye to only the extremism that benefited it politically, that
39:35
Speaker 5: from the right, and we've continued to see this hand
39:38
Speaker 5: fisted response last week. I think a lot of people
39:40
Speaker 5: have been shocked at how the government can There's never
39:43
Speaker 5: been more anger from the governments after an attack in
39:47
Speaker 5: Islamic a radical Islamic terror attack. Never been so much anger.
39:51
Speaker 5: Then subsequently about Nazis and people are like, well, why
39:54
Speaker 5: are they talking about Nazis when the attack was clearly
39:57
Speaker 5: inspired by radical, extreme Islamic views. The reason for that
40:01
Speaker 5: is because the government's only been obsessing about right wing
40:05
Speaker 5: groups for the last couple of years and it's found
40:07
Speaker 5: itself stuck in this gear that is not suited for
40:10
Speaker 5: the times, not suited for the response to this terrible attack,
40:12
Speaker 5: and the government needs to hear drop the politics and
40:16
Speaker 5: focus on the real safety and security concerns for Australians.
40:19
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because this goes beyond politics now, it's about the
40:23
Speaker 3: safety of all Australians and we don't get to the
40:25
Speaker 3: heart of this issue. I mean, we've been very tolerant
40:27
Speaker 3: for a long time linked Cafe Curtis Chang, you know,
40:31
Speaker 3: but the tolerance has snapped. We're almost out of time,
40:34
Speaker 3: But I just want to get your comments on the
40:37
Speaker 3: Energy Minister Chris Bowen is talking up his plan to
40:40
Speaker 3: force gas producers to set aside domestic allocations as a
40:43
Speaker 3: part of a gas reservation scheme. I've got to say, Matt,
40:46
Speaker 3: it's extraordinary for someone who's spent the past four years
40:48
Speaker 3: demonizing gas. But how big of a difference will his
40:51
Speaker 3: announcement make?
40:53
Speaker 5: Not much, unfortunately, Tanaka, and you can tell that very
40:57
Speaker 5: very simply from some simple mass. The government says they
41:00
Speaker 5: want to reserve twenty five percent or after twenty five
41:02
Speaker 5: percent of domestic supplies of gas for domestic consumption. Last year,
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Speaker 5: thirty five percent of domestic production was used for domestic
41:12
Speaker 5: domestic production was used for domestic consumption. So already over
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Speaker 5: well over, and we've been well way above the twenty
41:17
Speaker 5: five percent quite for decades, for every year on record,
41:21
Speaker 5: And so this is going to do nothing. It's setting
41:23
Speaker 5: a quota. It's not actually going to increase the amount
41:26
Speaker 5: of gas available for domestic consumers. How will that make
41:28
Speaker 5: any difference at all? I don't know if the government
41:30
Speaker 5: hasn't done this match or they just think they can
41:32
Speaker 5: pull the wool of it over our eyes. But maybe
41:34
Speaker 5: that's the reason they slipped it out just before Christmas,
41:38
Speaker 5: seeking to hide it behind all this other stuff because
41:41
Speaker 5: they don't really think it's going to make much difference.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, that's exactly what they did.
41:45
Speaker 3: Hit it behind what has been a terrible week here
41:47
Speaker 3: in Australia and deliberately done it. Matt Canavan, nice to
41:50
Speaker 3: see you as always, Thanks so much for joining me.
41:52
Speaker 3: Coming up, an academic who openly celebrated the Hamas attack
41:55
Speaker 3: and encouraged children to chant into Farda and call for
41:58
Speaker 3: the end of Israel has her one hundred and seventy
42:00
Speaker 3: thousand dollars tax payer funded research Grant restored that more
42:04
Speaker 3: with my panel.
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Speaker 2: Next, jump straight into things with our panel.
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Speaker 3: Chief executive at the Page Research Center Gerard Holland and
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Speaker 3: Canberra Radio two Double C host Stephen Sennatiempo. Thank you
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Speaker 3: to both of you for joining me. Let's start with
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Speaker 3: this UGOV poll conducted for Sky News. It's found the
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Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of Australians believe the Albanezy government has poorly
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Speaker 3: handled Islamic extremism and anti semitism in the wake of Bondi.
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Speaker 3: In fact, sixty two percent of voters said that labor
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Speaker 3: has badly handled it.
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Speaker 2: Jarard, these are pretty damning results.
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Speaker 15: Well, Dynakha Bien choosing to make this issue about the
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Speaker 15: weapons that these terrorists carried out their attack as opposed
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Speaker 15: to the extremist ideology that motivated them. Essentially, what he's
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Speaker 15: saying to the Australian people is that they're very well
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Speaker 15: likely is others in our community who would like to
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Speaker 15: carry out similar sorts of attacks, and rather than removing
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Speaker 15: them from the commune, we're just going to try and
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Speaker 15: remove one of the weapons that they may try in use.
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Speaker 1: And then at the same time, by rushing.
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Speaker 15: Through these very poorly worded hate speech laws, he's essentially
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Speaker 15: criminalizing every day Australian's ability to talk about and criticize
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Speaker 15: the kind of radical Islamist ideology that allegedly.
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Speaker 1: Has inspired these attacks.
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Speaker 15: And I just don't think Australians are wearing and I
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Speaker 15: think Australians are seeing the bollards go out at our
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Speaker 15: Christmas fairs, They're seeing New Year's celebrations get canceled. We
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Speaker 15: are aware of the heightened sense of tension around the
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Speaker 15: likelihood of further violence, and we're looking for a leader
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Speaker 15: to step up and to protect the Australian people. His
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Speaker 15: first and fundamental responsibility and not run cover by ideologies
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Speaker 15: that he either does not understand or is deliberately burying underground.
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Speaker 1: At great risks to the broader Australian public.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's all about fake solutions to the actual real
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Speaker 3: problems at Stephen, the majority of ossies are frustrated.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction.
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Speaker 16: Well, look, there's a couple of things for these This
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Speaker 16: is when you talk about Islamophobia, sorry, Islamic extremism and
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Speaker 16: anti Semitism being handled badly.
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Speaker 11: They haven't been handled at all.
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Speaker 16: So I want to know who these idiots that actually
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Speaker 16: think the government's doing a good job on this are.
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Speaker 16: There's no surprise that the majority of Australians think that
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Speaker 16: has been handled badly because since the October seven attacks,
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Speaker 16: this government has stuck its head in the sand when
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Speaker 16: it comes to antisemitism. It stuck its head in the
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Speaker 16: sand when it comes to Islamic extremism for even longer
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Speaker 16: than that.
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Speaker 11: But the reality is that, yeah.
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Speaker 16: As Jared says, all of the solutions are just window
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Speaker 16: dressing and band aids, trying to make it look like
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Speaker 16: they're doing something because they're afraid to address the real
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Speaker 16: issue here, and that Islamic extremism. This is the greatest
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Speaker 16: example of political bastardry I've ever seen in my time
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Speaker 16: watching politics that for rank political opportunism, they've put a
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Speaker 16: certain section of the Australian public at risk, that is
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Speaker 16: the Jewish community. But in reality they put all of
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Speaker 16: it as a risk because they've been ignoring a problem
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Speaker 16: that's been s sing us in the face for years
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Speaker 16: and years and years now just to win votes in
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Speaker 16: certain parts of Sydney and Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I completely agree.
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Speaker 3: And the more they tiptoe around it and put in
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Speaker 3: these fake solutions, I think that more and more Aussies
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Speaker 3: are waking up to it and saying, no, we need
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Speaker 3: to get to the root cause it's time our leaders
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Speaker 3: be strong and come out and condemn it. And Anthony
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Speaker 3: Abernezi just hasn't done that. Let's talk about this academic
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Speaker 3: who openly celebrated the Hamas attack and called for the
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Speaker 3: end of Israel. She's now had an eight hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars tax payer funded research grant restored.
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Speaker 2: This is doctor Randall Abdelfhatar.
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Speaker 3: Her grant was frozen for eleven months pending an investigation,
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Speaker 3: but the Australian Research Council lifted it last night.
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Speaker 2: Here's a reminder.
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Speaker 3: This is the same academic who, just one day after
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Speaker 3: harmas terrorists is paragliders to attack Israel and slaughter Jews,
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Speaker 3: changed her Facebook profile to depict a paratrooper in the
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Speaker 3: colors of the Palestine flag the day after Christmas last year,
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Speaker 3: on her ex account, she said May twenty twenty five
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Speaker 3: be the end of Israel. So I helped organize a
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Speaker 3: kid's excursion to a pro Palestine protest at the UNI
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Speaker 3: of Sydney where young children are film chanting into fada,
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Speaker 3: you know, and Gerard Well, eight hundred and seventy thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars of our money is being returned.
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Speaker 1: To her our money and this is I think that
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Speaker 1: the crucial point.
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Speaker 15: It actually comes to what your previous guest, Matt was
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Speaker 15: saying in that previous segment around the ABC. This is
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Speaker 15: our money that's being used to spread this kind of
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Speaker 15: hate and the fact that a cent a cent of
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Speaker 15: Australian taxpayer dollars is going towards this kind of anti
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Speaker 15: Semitism or any of the casual racisms that have just
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Speaker 15: slipped into our university sector.
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Speaker 1: The amount of.
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Speaker 15: Anti white rhetoric, the white privileged narrative or DEI that
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Speaker 15: intentionally discriminates different Australians based on their physical characteristics is
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Speaker 15: just completely beyond the pale, and I think Australians are
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Speaker 15: sick of it. We don't want our money going towards it.
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Speaker 15: If as a private business, a private entity they want
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Speaker 15: to fund this nonsense, go for it. But Australian money,
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Speaker 15: it's just unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree, Stephen.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot of money going to an academic who's
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Speaker 3: made those sorts of comments.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it passes the pub test. What do
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Speaker 2: you think?
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Speaker 16: Well, home and forget about passing the pub test. But
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Speaker 16: if you want a royal commission, we need a royal
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Speaker 16: commission into our university system. There's no two ways about that,
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Speaker 16: because I mean it has become now an indoctrination system
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Speaker 16: and an opportunity to sell degrees overseas rather than to educate.
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Speaker 11: Ossie's that's the problem.
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Speaker 16: And when we've got academics like this, I want to
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Speaker 16: know what academic value there is from any of this
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Speaker 16: person's work. I mean, particularly when you outlined her list
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Speaker 16: of sins. But this is not just Macquarie University This
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Speaker 16: is every university across Australia now and the irony is
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Speaker 16: the only person that's actually trying to fix any of
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Speaker 16: this is Bill Shorten, who's now the Vice Chancellor of
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Speaker 16: the University of Canberra here in the nation's capital, who
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Speaker 16: is saying, well, enough of these echo chambers. We need
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Speaker 16: to actually open our universities up and make them centers
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Speaker 16: of critical thinking again. But where is the direction or
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Speaker 16: where is the leadership from the Education Minister on that?
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Speaker 16: And as I say, I think I've been calling for
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Speaker 16: this for about two years now, a Royal commissioner in
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Speaker 16: our university sector, not only because our universities are all
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Speaker 16: going broke and they can only make money by selling degrees,
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Speaker 16: but we need to get back to the core of
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Speaker 16: what university is about, and that is educating Australians. And
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Speaker 16: we don't do that anymore, No we don't.
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Speaker 3: And this is why we need a Royal commission into
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Speaker 3: this crisis so we can figure out exactly what happened
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Speaker 3: from the beginning. Jared Holland, Stephen Centent, Timpo thank you
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Speaker 3: so much for joining me, and I mean you're at home.
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Speaker 3: Recall yesterday the Coalition released a draft terms of reference
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Speaker 3: for their Royal Commission, and one of them included university sector,
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Speaker 3: the media, the arts sector. I mean, these are all
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Speaker 3: areas that need to be looked at. This can't just
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Speaker 3: be a small scope of inquiry and internal one. It
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Speaker 3: needs to be broad up because these are the issues
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Speaker 3: that we're facing.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your company. I'll be back
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Speaker 2: again tomorrow night. Stay with us. The Late debate is next.
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Speaker 2: Good night,