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The Holy Face Mission Across Europe | Father Carney · Arena Ablaze Podcast

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Welcome into the arena.
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This is the Arena Blaze podcast.
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I'm your willing host Marco Sandoval.
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Our mission here at the podcast is to
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invite men to join us in the 33
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days consecration, total consecration of Jesus through the
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Immaculate Heart of Mary so that our hearts
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can be lit on fire and we can
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be willing to pick up the sword of
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the Holy Face of Jesus and wield it
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in the world of spiritual battle raging all
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around us.
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I'm joined today by Father Carney, the priest
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walking the streets of Wichita, Kansas, and if
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We'll begin by renewing our total consecration to
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Jesus through Mary with our prayer.
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I, Marco Sandoval, a repentant sinner, renew and
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ratify today in your hands, O Immaculate Mother,
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the vows of my baptism.
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I renounce Satan and resolve to follow Jesus
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Christ even more closely than before.
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Mary, I give you my heart.
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Please set it on fire with love for
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Jesus.
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Make it always attentive to his burning thirst
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for love and for souls.
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Keep my heart in your most pure heart
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that I may love Jesus and the members
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of his body with your own perfect love.
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Mary, I entrust myself totally to you, my
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body and soul, my goods, both interior and
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exterior, and even the value of all my
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good actions.
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Please make of me of all that I
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am and have whatever most pleases you.
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Let me be a fit instrument in your
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immaculate and merciful hands for bringing the greatest
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possible glory to God.
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If I fall, please lead me back to
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Jesus.
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Wash me in the blood and water that
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flow from his pure side and help me
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never to lose my trust in this fountain
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of love and mercy.
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With you, O Immaculate Mother, you who always
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do the will of God, I unite myself
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to the perfect consecration of Jesus as he
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offers himself in the Spirit to the Father
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for the life of the world.
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Amen.
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In the name of the Father and Son
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and Holy Ghost, Hail Mary, full of grace,
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the Lord is with thee.
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Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is
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the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us
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sinners, now and at the hour of our
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death.
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Amen.
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Our Lady, in the holy name of God,
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pray for us.
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St. Bridget, pray for us.
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All our patron saints and guardian angels, pray
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for us.
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In the name of the Father and Son,
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Holy Ghost, Amen.
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Well, I'm joined here by Father Carney, and
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we're gonna talk about his visit to Europe,
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England, France, and Ireland to preach on devotion
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to the Holy Face and other things.
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So, if you want to give me the
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thumbnail, because I don't always know what all
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you're up to.
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Yeah, so there was a donor that said,
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I'm gonna donate 1,200 pounds to get
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Father Carney to England.
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So, I knew that that was God's sign
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to get me to go there, and I
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thought, well, why don't I try to get
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Ireland hooked into this thing, too?
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Meanwhile, I said to my friends who, one
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of them speaks fluent French, why don't we
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also go to tours to meet the new
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director of the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face?
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So, it was a whirlwind tour.
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My body keeps telling me, quit punishing me.
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So, nonetheless, I did seven talks in five
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days in England, and I went to two
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oratories.
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One of them was the Brompton Oratory, and
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I got to see where St. Cardinal Newman
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was an oratorian, and I mounted the pulpit
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that he may have preached at, and I
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spoke for an hour to give the introductory
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talk on the devotion.
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And both of these oratory churches in England
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looked like you were going into Rome.
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The churches were so beautiful.
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So, then we went to France, and my
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French speakers keep training me how to say
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Father's name.
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I think I've missed it 30 times, but
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his name is Fr.
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Didier, and he is a holy priest.
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So, he thought that the Archconfraternity was going
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to come to a close, and he was
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going to be the last director, and the
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Archbishop wanted to change Venerable Léopold's house into
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a retirement house for priests.
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But the Vicar General of the Diocese said
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no, and so the Archbishop said, okay, then
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let's keep it in the hands of the
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Archconfraternity.
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So, that was a miracle, that we still
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have the flagship, we just need to pray
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that they start having their monthly meetings.
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And so, Father called a meeting with all
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of his volunteers, there were about eight, and
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his first question was, so Father, what is
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the secret of the Holy Face?
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So, I answered their questions and gave them
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some advice on things that seemed to be
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working with the way that we've been promoting
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it.
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Then, oh yeah, by the way, I got
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to go to my friend's castle in France.
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His family were the servants of the king,
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one of the kings of Ireland, and Prommel
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kicked them out of Ireland around the middle
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of the 1700s, and I got to say,
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well, the king of France, King Louis, gave
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them count noble status, and they bought a
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castle, and this castle has a chapel that
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predates the French Revolution.
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And this man has three blesseds, because during
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the French Revolution, some people were escaping, and
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they knocked on the castle door to see
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if they can have asylum, a place to
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rest, and his ancestors opened the door to
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them.
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But then, while they were there, they turned
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on them, and squealed on them.
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And so, they were martyred, and they've been
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declared, they've been beatified.
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And so, I got to say Mass there
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every day.
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And then finally, we went to Ireland, a
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country where my ancestors are from, and I
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work with Human Life International, and we went
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to four provinces of Ireland.
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I gave four talks.
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We went to Knock first, and we went
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to a small place, I can't remember the
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name, Dublin, and then we went up to
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Belfast.
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And when we were driving to Northern Ireland,
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I didn't, I never look at the schedule
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very much, because I'm always going, but I
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got a little history.
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When we crossed the border of Northern Ireland,
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Patrick told me, Patrick McChrystal, that, you see
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that mountain over there?
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That's where the Irish would have sharpshooters, and
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they would shoot at the British that were
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guarding the line.
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Because there's, as many people know, there's a
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big dispute in Northern Ireland with the Orange
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and the Green, and the Irish.
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So, Belfast was, I think, the greatest attendance,
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and that was my last night.
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And we, people gave donations for almost 400
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books on The Secret of the Holy Face.
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So, the message is getting out in the
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United Kingdom, and I hope to go back
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there.
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There was some priests that came, some Institute
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of the Christ the King priests, so maybe
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I'll get some invitations to do a deeper
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dive into doing missions, and also maybe some
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retreats on the interior life and the consecration
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to the Holy Face.
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Yeah, I don't know that I want to
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get into Knock right now yet, but I
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did, I was watching the video, a beautiful
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story, but one, one thing that I, my
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first takeaway from it is, he was saying
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that kind of the apparition of Knock was
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almost like, like God was pleased with Ireland
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because they had been persecuted for, like, 400
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years and kept the faith.
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And I listened to that, and I just
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think, we're so insignificant.
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The United States hasn't even been around for
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400 years, and yet Ireland not only has
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been around, but they persecuted for 400 years
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in their Catholic faith, to the point that,
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you know, it was a capital offense for
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a priest to say Mass, what he was
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saying.
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So, I just, I think that that's just
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kind of like, kind of push you aback.
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Sometimes I think, I have a tendency to
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do it, but as Americans we think, oh,
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we're, you know, we're doing all this, and
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we're making all this happen, and we're moving
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and shaking, and then you look over there,
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and you're like, we just, we're like toddlers
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over here, talking to the world like we
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know it all.
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Yeah, there were eight million Irish before the
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Black Plague, excuse me, the Black Famine in
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1847, and there were only four hundred, four
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million left, half of them, and they were
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persecuted for their faith.
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So, Paul gave a great talk on that,
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and some of them were put into casket
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boats, because many of them died on the
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way to the United States of America.
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So, the Irish, they're fighters, and there's not
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many fighters left in Ireland, but I've met
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a remnant of them, and I hope that
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they will double and triple, quadruple, exponentially grow,
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and I think this devotion might help them
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to the Holy Face.
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There were, there is the only known at
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this time, confraternity of the Holy Face.
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It's still active.
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It was started in 1895, and there were
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800,000, 500 Irish who have signed up
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up to this year, and that's a big
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number, because in Tours from 1885, when St.
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Therese first signed up, to 1900, there were
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only 700,000, which may be more of
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what Ireland had in that same amount of
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time, but Tours, for the next century, only
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signed up 10 more thousand, so Ireland overtook
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them.
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And that shows you the faith that, out
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of 8 million Irish before, this was after
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the Black Famine, that it seems like, if
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there are only 4 million left, one-fourth
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of the Irish signed up to the confraternity
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of the Holy Face, which is aggregated to
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the arch-confraternity of the Holy Face.
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And so those of us that are Irish,
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here in the United States, I've learned how
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much our forefathers fought for the faith, and
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how much work they did to work on
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the railroads, to work in the beef-cutting
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factories, to give us the life that we
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have now.
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I mean, my ancestors that are, you know,
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one generation before me, they started Pizza Hut,
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they started a bank, and so you see
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what our Irish heritage has done, and this
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is an example for other foreigners, like the
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Hispanics who are coming, they're working in the
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ditches right now, but if they remain faithful
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to the Catholic Church, that makes them the
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best people, and if they keep working hard,
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they're gonna become like the Irish did, because
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America is the one last place, almost, in
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the world where freedom, you're allowed to reap
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the benefits of your hard work, but we're
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losing the faith in the world, and that's
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why I'm going on these missions.
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I was telling another podcaster a few days
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ago, yesterday, that who knows, maybe this is
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the last time I'm to see people face
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-to-face on these missions, because lockdown might
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not be the first time that will happen,
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so we need to cherish every moment that
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we have of the freedoms that we have.
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The freedom means to do what is right,
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not to do anything we want.
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Freedom isn't truly the license to do evil.
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Freedom is to do what is true and
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good and to follow the commandments.
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I think it's interesting that you went England
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and Ireland, so I'm not a perfect history
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buff, but I am reading a book right
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now about the Rosary, and it was talking
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about how the Rosary kind of went to
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England for safekeeping for a number of years,
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and the English really kept it alive, but
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then a lot of Ireland's persecution came from
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the English and the Protestant Reformation, so I'm
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just curious.
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I think, in my mind, I think you
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hear in kind of popular channels that the
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faith is dying in Europe.
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You know, you'll see stories where there's, like,
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beautiful churches that have been turned into, like,
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exercise facility or skateboard park, so I'm curious
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your perspective of being there, what you saw.
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Yeah, some people told me England was the
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most Catholic nation at one time, and then
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after Henry VIII, they turned on God and
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his church, and then the Father Greatest is
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the worst, and they wanted Ireland to do
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the same thing, and so there was some
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jealousy, I think, and so England persecuted the
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Irish, because the Irish kept to the faith.
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And St. Patrick, in my reading of history,
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came from England, and he converted Ireland.
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He helped to convert it, and because St.
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Patrick was so holy, that shows that Ireland
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has kept the faith so long, because he
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was one of the greatest apostles.
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He would pray all of 150 psalms every
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day, sometimes in cold water, up to his
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waist.
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That gives me the chills, but that was
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St. Patrick.
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He had the faith, and I keep asking
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St. Patrick, I chose you for my confirmation,
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saying, help me to become like you, you
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know?
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That'd be awesome.
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Yeah, that was something that came out, and
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just kind of reading your trip a little
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bit, was there, you know, obviously the love
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of St. Patrick.
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There are things that, I mean, my birthday's
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in March, so it's always right around St.
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Patrick's Day.
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I'm not Irish, so what it tends to
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be is a little bit annoying for me,
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because they're always having the St. Patrick's Day,
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all the drinking, and all the carrying on,
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and one of the guys in the talks
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was talking about how the world's kind of
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turned St. Patrick into, like, a drunken Paddy's
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Fest, and it's infuriating for him.
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But that going out and evangelizing, how much
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evangelizing Ireland has done for such a small
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country, whether it be kind of immigration as
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part of the famine coming into the United
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States, how many St. Patrick's Cathedrals there are
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around the world.
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They brought up Nigeria.
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I guess a lot of Nigeria had been
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evangelized by the Irish, so it is an
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interesting story, that interplay.
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I am curious a little bit more just
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about England, you know, what I know that,
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you know, they've said that Ireland's demise, the
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Catholic faith's demise in Ireland's greatly overstated, is
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what one of the guys was saying, but
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what do you find in England?
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Was there pockets of warmth there?
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Was it...
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It's a cold nation as far as Christianity
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and Christendom is concerned.
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I've always had issues with going past customs
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to get into England.
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One time I was on a ferry from
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France to England, and the customs agent, well,
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he gave me a warning and a threat
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that, we might not let you in.
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You're gonna have to stay in this room
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for a while, and I finally found my
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airline tickets that show I was gonna be
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leaving England, and then he finally let me
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go.
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But that was 15 years ago, before I
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was really savvy with the Internet.
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And this time, too, I had to do
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an ETA, so I had to do all
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kinds of screening before I even could check
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in to my flight from Wichita.
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So I don't have too many warm feelings
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about England, but there's some really good English
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there.
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I met some of the greatest priests in
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England, and there's some pockets of the English,
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especially those that rally around the traditional Latin
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Mass, and these Oratorian priests, they're awesome.
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I saw them wearing their cassocks and wearing
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a beretta, walking around the courtyard, and they
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let me come and talk to their people.
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It was neat, on one night at the
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Oratory, the priests set up 60 chairs, but
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there were over 120 people that showed up,
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and it was like a mob to get
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to my chair so I could sign books.
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They wouldn't, there wasn't enough room.
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So that was in London, and it wasn't
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so many English people coming, it was foreigners
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that came to that talk.
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And it was sort of like I Hope
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Heaven Will Be, where I just met all
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these people that knew me because I give
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these podcasts, and they wanted to see me
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in person.
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And I just tell people that one of
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my first publishers said, it's no big deal
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to be an author, all you do is
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write a few words, but once you get
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into a Perfect Bound book, people think you're
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awesome, but you're not.
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And she's right.
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I'm just a priest, just doing the bidding
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of what God wants me to do, and
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if we can be faithful to the plan
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that God has for each of us, then
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he can transform our life into a beautiful
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life.
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And that's why I keep going back to
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Carmel, the devotion to the Holy Face came
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to Carmel, and Carmel is about the interior
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life, and I think this devotion has really
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helped me to desire the interior life and
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to grow in it.
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And I'm learning a lot about it, but
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I have to practice what I've learned.
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It's one thing to write about the interior
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life, it's another thing to actually go through
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the stages.
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So maybe that's why I keep asking people
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to pray for me, so I can do
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that.
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Yeah, I think the gentleman I watched said
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something about it, but I was reading in
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this rosary book I'm reading, and it was
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called England Our Lady's Dowry.
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That's right.
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Well, do you know where that comes from?
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I don't off the top of my head,
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but that's a very interesting title for a
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country to have, and I would hope and
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pray that the people would relearn that.
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That's a precious title.
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Yeah, it's...
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I had jet lag when they were explaining
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it to me, I still don't understand the
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concept of the dowry, but they were telling
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me that it has something to do with
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the future of England.
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When England comes back to the faith, then
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they will be like a superstar Catholic nation,
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something like that, and Our Lady's Dowry, I
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think Our Lady and her Immaculate Heart triumphing,
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and her role in the conversion of the
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Jews is reserved for her, and that will
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show her greatest glory of time.
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And so England will have a dowry, because
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it was the most Catholic nation at one
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time, where I think England will help Our
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Lady's mission.
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I think that's kind of what they were
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talking about, which is an awesome thing for
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English, because the faith was so strong in
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the fifth, sixth, and seventh centuries, and so
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they have that heritage.
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I was walking around, I think it was
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London, yeah it was London, and Mary Clare
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was her name, and I said, Mary Clare,
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you all have this history.
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When I walk around in America, we just
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have the Indians that were here.
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There's no kind of history that dates back
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to the 4th, 5th, and 6th centuries like
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you have.
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I mean, there was a nun by locating
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here around the 1500s, I think it was,
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Venerable Mary Begreta, and she was teaching the
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Indians.
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So yeah, that's good history, but we don't
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have it going back another thousand years like
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England does.
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Yeah, just you saying, you're walking around and
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you're in these cathedrals and they're beautiful, like
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breathtakingly beautiful.
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It's few and far between here that you
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walk into a place that's breathtakingly beautiful.
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I mean, you take note, because the buildings
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are unique, our architecture is just so, yeah,
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it's just not, you know, I was just
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having this conversation, I took my daughters on
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a college visit recently, and I wanted to
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be an architect when I was coming of
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age, and I was just looking at all
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the buildings and just thinking, man, it would
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be, might not be the best thing to
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be an architect in these times, because what
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would you build?
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Just a bunch of boxes, you know.
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We've kind of lost that beauty in the
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buildings.
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Well, if we may transition to France now,
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unless you had anything else you wanted to
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share about England.
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Yeah, I mean, France, I've talked about how
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I went to that castle and I met...
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That's what I'm most interested in, the nobility,
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because I know you're kind of, we're hitting
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on the importance of nobility and that castle,
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and so I just want to know.
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It's a foreign term, I think, in the
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U.S. Yeah, nobility just, it has a
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lot of definitions.
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One of them, basically though, is just to
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serve God for His goodness and His beauty
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and because of His truth, and not to
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get anything out of it.
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And so true nobilities that lived that, God
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would put them into a higher class and
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they would have wealth, and then they would
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use that to build Christendom, and the nobles
23:36
and the kings and the queens, they would
23:39
build monasteries and cathedrals and churches, so that
23:42
the lower class, who were poor, who would
23:46
get very tired of their dwellings, would go
23:48
to the cathedral and to be reminded, wow,
23:51
this is a reminder of what we're driving
23:54
for, because heaven will be not, would be
23:57
much more beautiful than this church, but it
23:58
gives them that idea.
24:00
So I want to tell you a story.
24:03
When we were driving through Ireland, they pointed,
24:07
it was one of those days, cloudy, rainy,
24:09
just typical for Ireland.
24:11
We've had our fill of tea and milk,
24:15
and they said, that, Father, that castle, that
24:20
was the High King of Ireland's castle.
24:22
I said, oh, that is awesome to see
24:24
that.
24:25
And it made me think that the holy
24:29
face of Jesus is uniting the clans through
24:32
this devotion, not just human beings wanting to
24:36
make uniting of the clans in their own
24:38
terms, but I think he's doing that, because
24:42
my friends that were kicked out of Ireland
24:44
and had a castle and a chapel in
24:48
France, they were working with me.
24:51
They drove me around England and France, but
24:53
they couldn't, they didn't have time to come
24:55
to Ireland.
24:56
They want to take me around Ireland next
24:58
time.
24:58
But I was working with a noble, and
25:01
I had to go to the castle to
25:03
discover that, and so I think that Jesus
25:06
is trying to unite the nobles, to give
25:11
the grace back to the aristocracy, to become
25:15
noble in the times that we live in.
25:17
If we go through a world revolution, I
25:21
think through that they will be purified, and
25:24
they will then become noble again, and serve
25:27
the Christendom as they served in the past
25:30
their ancestors.
25:31
But also, it gives us hope, for those
25:34
of us that aren't nobles, that if we
25:36
go through a deep persecution, I think that
25:39
this devotion to the Holy Face is going
25:41
to raise a lot of people up to
25:42
become nobles, even though their family doesn't have
25:46
a history of that, because they will simply
25:49
serve Christ the King to promote his goodness,
25:56
his beauty, and his truth.
25:58
And wouldn't it be great if every nation,
26:01
its civil government, would be a Catholic government,
26:05
led by benevolent kings like King Edward III
26:08
and King St. Louis IX.
26:13
The best form of government, the priests would
26:16
tell me, Father Ivan Eck, who's a priest,
26:20
a diocesan priest here of Wichita, he's a
26:23
Monsignor, and he's over 100 years old, he
26:25
said, the best form of government, what we
26:27
were taught, was a benevolent kingdom.
26:30
So a really good king.
26:31
If you get a bad king, it's horrible.
26:33
But in that triumph of the American heart,
26:36
however long that age will be, maybe it's
26:39
just a generation or two, that will be
26:42
a great, a rising time for Christendom, or
26:45
a Neo-Christendom.
26:47
So maybe the thought, or the Holy Face
26:51
of Jesus is united in the clans through
26:53
this devotion.
26:54
So those are just some thoughts that I
26:56
had, just going and seeing this high king's
27:01
castle, and being over here in France with
27:03
this castle, where this family was thrown out
27:07
of Ireland, thrown out of their home country,
27:11
where they served the King of Ireland, because
27:13
they were Catholic, they didn't give in to
27:16
the English.
27:18
That's interesting, I know probably a lot of
27:21
Americans would hear that nobility and recoil from
27:23
it, especially King, you know, King recoil from
27:27
it, because that's just not our mindset.
27:30
But I love the way you put it,
27:31
that's very interesting to me, that nobles were
27:34
serving Christ the King, that was their sole
27:38
focus.
27:39
Yeah, on these processions, they have these protesters
27:43
and they say, no king, no king.
27:45
One time I was, I usually don't get
27:48
off of the script of Prayer and the
27:50
Rosary, but I just said, quietly, although the
27:55
microphone was on, Christ is the king.
27:58
Christ is the king.
28:02
There is a king.
28:03
No king, there is a king.
28:06
Christ is our king.
28:07
Mm-hmm.
28:08
And that's nobility.
28:10
He chose to make himself called a king,
28:13
and so kings have nobles who serve the
28:17
king, and nobles are served by the serfs
28:22
and the common people.
28:24
And so there's a hierarchy in civilization, just
28:28
like there's a hierarchy in the choirs of
28:30
angels, there's a hierarchy in heaven, there's a
28:32
hierarchy in the dog kingdom.
28:34
This is natural law, and if we follow
28:37
natural law, it's going to make us happy.
28:40
So simple.
28:42
It is.
28:43
It is.
28:46
Let's see here, I was just gonna also
28:48
talk about, I, they said that in Ireland,
28:52
because the people were largely illiterate, that their
28:56
Bible was the Rosary.
28:58
I'm kind of on this Rosary kick, but
29:00
that just was striking to me, that they
29:05
were very, very devoted to the Rosary because
29:08
it was essentially their Bible.
29:10
And it also seems odd to me, too,
29:13
because Irish literature and poetry, I mean, they're
29:17
so, you know, Ireland and Irish writers are
29:23
so prominent in those spaces.
29:25
I think my wife got me a book
29:26
of Catholic poetry a couple years ago, and
29:29
I read it, and many of the poems
29:32
and the most beautiful poems were of Irish.
29:36
So I just thought that that was kind
29:38
of a unique thing, and so that kind
29:40
of ties in with Our Lady of Knock.
29:44
So beautiful to me, I thought, how Our
29:47
Lady has a crown with a rose featured
29:50
in the crown, and they were talking about
29:54
how it was a Eucharistic apparition.
29:57
So the presence of Our Lady, St. Joseph,
30:01
John, and Jesus in the image of the
30:05
Lamb, slain Lamb.
30:07
I just thought that was pretty interesting.
30:10
I don't know if you had any...
30:11
Yeah, the rose represented the Rosary on her
30:14
crown, and the famine of Ireland wasn't really
30:20
a drought or a blight as much as
30:24
it was the English persecuting the Irish.
30:27
They were shipping out grains during the famine.
30:32
The English were shipping it out, and the
30:35
English had non-resident tenant owners, so they
30:41
probably lived in England, and the Irish weren't
30:45
allowed to own their land, more or less,
30:48
and so it was really a big persecution.
30:51
And so that's why they became illiterate, because
30:53
they were so poor.
30:55
And when I went looking for my ancestors,
30:57
the Kearney clan, I think we went to
31:00
the wrong cemetery.
31:02
We were 12 miles off, but he took
31:04
me back.
31:05
He was an archivist, and he said, back
31:08
in this grave is where the poor were,
31:10
and I saw their tombstones, there was no
31:14
writing, because the Irish wouldn't even know how
31:19
to read it, and they couldn't afford to
31:21
pay for it.
31:21
And so it was the shape of the
31:23
stone that determined who was there, and that
31:26
was their memory.
31:27
Their memory was so much better than it
31:29
is today, of course.
31:31
So they were illiterate because of the being
31:35
persecuted by the non-Catholics.
31:40
So there's something to be said about how
31:43
much they did suffer, but they kept the
31:46
faith.
31:47
And the thing about Knock, I need to
31:50
learn a lot more about it.
31:51
I've only listened to one podcast, but what
31:55
I think is neat is that St. John
31:58
was one of the people who appeared, and
32:04
he's wearing a mitre, and he's got his
32:07
gospel, and his feet show that he's moving.
32:12
And he's a powerful, not just a teenager
32:14
when he was at the foot of the
32:15
cross, he's a powerful apostle.
32:18
And there's so many things you could look
32:20
at, but what this man Paul was saying
32:23
is, he had the interior life, and that's
32:28
what's gotten Ireland to keep their faith, is
32:30
their rosaries.
32:32
Even though they were illiterate, the rosary was
32:36
something that helped them to be reminded of
32:39
the 15 Mysteries.
32:40
And so they would pray that rosary and
32:43
have that interior life, and that's why the
32:45
rose appeared.
32:47
So they would—I love how the Irish, though,
32:50
would say how that we prayed our rosaries,
32:53
and they have their almost Gaelic- sounding
32:56
Irish scent, accent of English, and they just
33:03
were tenacious, the Irish.
33:06
So going there and seeing that history is
33:10
very endearing to me.
33:14
I love how you say that the clans
33:16
are being united through this devotion.
33:20
I love the sound of that, tenacious men
33:23
praying their rosary.
33:25
You know, that sounds like a clan I
33:28
would love to be united with.
33:30
Well, I'm going to all the Anglo-speakings
33:33
in places in the world.
33:36
Australia, there's uniting of some clans, even in
33:38
Quito, Ecuador they're starting, and Ireland definitely has
33:43
that uniting, and the French, and the English,
33:46
and I haven't been to Western Africa where
33:49
they speak English yet, but some people are
33:50
talking about me going there, so I've never
33:52
been to that continent of Africa.
33:56
So the uniting of the clans isn't just
33:58
for English-speaking people either.
34:00
I pray that priests that have different languages
34:03
will promote the devotion to the Holy Face
34:07
like I am, in their own language, and
34:11
in their own gifts, to be utilized by
34:14
God the Father to preach about this, and
34:19
if they're diocesan priests, all the better, because
34:21
we haven't been trained to be preachers.
34:24
We've been trained to give out the sacraments,
34:26
so it's kind of a spectacle for a
34:31
diocesan priest to be asked to be a
34:34
missionary and a preacher, and I think it's
34:37
because God just chooses the weakest to confound
34:39
the wisdom of the world.
34:41
I tell people, I don't know if I've
34:42
told it on these podcasts, what did I
34:45
fear the most in grade school?
34:48
English.
34:49
What did I fear the most in high
34:51
school?
34:51
Public speaking, and now that's what I do.
34:53
And my spiritual director said the devil knew
34:57
that was going to be a strength that
34:59
would attack his kingdom, so that should encourage
35:03
all you priests that whatever your weakness is,
35:07
that can actually be transformed into your strength.
35:10
That's what this devotion has done for me,
35:13
because devotions help to make us more tender
35:16
towards God and His Church, and so when
35:18
we become tender to the calling that God
35:21
has put into us in our baptism, in
35:23
our confirmation, in our ordination to the priesthood,
35:26
if we can see those gifts that He's
35:29
put in there and pull them out, and
35:31
ask God to pull them out, then we
35:34
can confound the wisdom of the world.
35:37
With things that don't look like gifts when
35:40
we're growing up can be transformed into gifts,
35:42
because God is so powerful.
35:44
That's why He chooses the weakest of the
35:47
world to confound the wise of the world.
35:50
Yeah, when you were speaking right there, I
35:53
was thinking of Moses, because they called Moses
35:57
the meekest of all men, and he was
36:00
not a speaker.
36:01
That's why he wanted Aaron.
36:02
Aaron did most of the speaking, and so
36:04
meekness, and I know you have a book
36:07
coming on meekness, and you often say that
36:11
you think meekness will form the heel of
36:13
Mary to crush a serpent's head, so we're
36:15
talking about this apparition of Mary, we're talking
36:19
about the fighting Irish and meekness, I just
36:21
think it all kind of wraps in nicely,
36:24
if you want to say a few words
36:26
about meekness in your book.
36:28
Yeah, I mean, one priest told me recently,
36:33
it seems like so many Catholics are just
36:35
overly angry.
36:37
There's such an inordinate anger.
36:39
Yes, there's a lot of things going wrong
36:41
in the world and in the Church, but
36:44
just being emotional about it and having it
36:47
over anger, it's not virtuous.
36:52
So meekness curves inordinate anger, and it's actually
36:57
a command of Jesus.
36:59
Be meek and humble of heart.
37:02
When someone tells you to be me, to
37:04
be, that sounds like a command to me.
37:07
So I think that those Catholics, they're getting
37:12
beat up by everyone that's beating us up,
37:16
if we can not let our anger be
37:19
too much or too little.
37:22
I think some people think, oh, I'm not
37:23
angry enough, so I got to get really
37:25
angry to make this thing better.
37:28
But it has to be meekness, and it's
37:33
the middle of the road, it keeps you
37:36
going.
37:37
And so I think that this book that
37:39
I've wrote on meekness, it will be coming
37:41
out October the 20th through Sophia Press, that
37:47
it's another lesson for us who have consecrated
37:51
ourselves totally to the Blessed Virgin Mary, to
37:55
Jesus through Mary, with the French School, with
37:58
St. Louis de Montfort, that we might fulfill
38:03
something that was said in Genesis 315, the
38:07
first three chapters of the Bible.
38:10
And I like the Douay Rheims version, because
38:12
I think it's the most powerful.
38:15
She will lie in wait to crush your
38:17
head, and so with her heel.
38:21
And I think that we can become like
38:24
the sandal or like the heel of Mary,
38:26
because we have to be humble.
38:28
Like, a shoe is humble.
38:30
It's the lowest thing, and it's getting pounded
38:32
onto the ground, and the ground is hummus,
38:35
humility, we're humans.
38:37
So having that meekness and humility, they go
38:41
together.
38:42
We don't talk about meekness very much, and
38:46
so that's why my publishers have called it
38:49
The Forgotten Virtue.
38:52
Why meekness may be the secret weapon in
38:55
the interior life and in the spiritual battles
38:57
of the future.
38:59
I mean, that's not the whole subtitle, it's...
39:02
I'm just adding to it.
39:05
So I hope that...
39:07
I didn't even know that people would be
39:09
getting so angry.
39:10
There's so many people getting angry and becoming
39:13
excommunicated because of their anger by the Pope,
39:17
saying that there is no Pope, saying, we
39:19
believe in the Pope, but then we don't
39:20
follow, we don't obey.
39:22
And there's even some priests that want me
39:26
to write a forward to a book that
39:29
will explain the situation with the Society of
39:32
St. Pius X.
39:34
So I think this is a time for
39:38
meekness.
39:39
So it's no coincidence that that book's coming
39:41
out now, as people seem to be getting
39:44
more and more angry in the world.
39:46
I could definitely relate to that.
39:49
Frustration, maybe frustration more than anger for me
39:52
personally, but that's one of the reasons that
39:55
I gravitated to this devotion, because I feel
39:58
like, okay, here's something I can do.
40:00
I feel like I'm doing something when I
40:02
pray those prayers.
40:03
They feel...
40:04
I mean, I heard you say somebody told
40:06
you that how masculine and manly these prayers
40:09
are, and you were talking about some of
40:10
the masses that are part of the old
40:13
rite, the crown of thorns, and I'm listening
40:17
to that.
40:18
I would love to be a part of
40:20
those masses.
40:21
The nails, the spear, just...
40:26
it's spiritual warfare, it's spiritual battle.
40:29
You know, our struggle isn't against flesh and
40:33
blood, right?
40:34
We need people like you to hold up
40:37
the arms of the priest, you know, and
40:39
Moses and Aaron were holding up their arms,
40:42
they were victorious as a nation of Israel
40:44
over their enemies, but when they went down,
40:47
then God wasn't interceding and they were losing.
40:50
And so, mystically, you're becoming part of holding
40:55
up us priest arms, and, you know, backing
40:58
us up when the world is so against
40:59
us, because the devil hates us priests, because
41:02
the priest is the most powerful man in
41:04
the world.
41:04
Let's face it, we say some words and
41:08
God comes on to an altar.
41:11
What more do you need to explain how
41:13
powerful we are?
41:15
And in the hidden world, the veil, the
41:17
devil cannot stand us.
41:19
So we need men to hold up our
41:22
arms, mystically, to back us up, to put
41:27
an insulation between us and the revolution, because
41:31
when the revolution, if it comes, then the
41:34
priests are going to be able to provide
41:36
the body of Christ, to help people to
41:40
have the strength to get through whatever chastisement
41:43
may be coming.
41:46
Yeah, I just think that's a...of course, you
41:49
know, how wonderful God is.
41:53
He demonstrates meekness and humility and obedience, just
41:59
in that very fact, that He's willing to
42:01
come down, you know, as part of the
42:05
priest calling Him down, you know.
42:09
Doesn't really matter whether it's a good priest,
42:13
a not-so-good priest, He still comes.
42:15
Yeah, He still comes.
42:17
So, beautiful.
42:20
Lastly, I just thought we'd talk about the
42:22
Holy Face Conference that's coming up here in
42:25
November 15th, and maybe...
42:28
11th.
42:29
Yeah, November 11th, right.
42:32
If you wanted to say a few words
42:33
about what kind of, what the layout of
42:36
that is, and...
42:37
Yeah, sure.
42:38
So, what was that called?
42:41
The fourth?
42:41
Four o'clock?
42:43
Yeah, about four o'clock podcast.
42:45
About four o'clock podcast.
42:47
So the priests that run the seminary, now
42:53
it's called a seminary.
42:55
Father Chad is now called the rector, and
42:59
so three of them did a podcast with
43:01
me, and they said, they live at St.
43:04
Joseph.
43:05
They said, you know, Father Kearney, around November
43:07
there's all these people that come walking around
43:09
in processions, we don't know what's going on.
43:11
So I finally answered all their questions, and
43:15
so I hope that we can get some
43:18
people from Wichita to start coming now.
43:21
Some do, but a lot of people fly
43:23
in to this conference, and it's November 11
43:27
and 12, and we have a Solemn High
43:28
Mass every day.
43:30
We have Psalm Vespers, and we have Father
43:32
Eric Anderson, who's a wonderful Diocesan priest, who's
43:36
going to talk about a holy bishop, maybe
43:40
intertwined it into the Holy Face devotion, and
43:42
I'll give a couple talks on that Holy
43:46
Face devotion.
43:47
But the meals are provided, I think it's
43:50
145 bucks for a person to come, and
43:55
usually by this time of the year we
43:56
have 150 signed up, but we're only at
43:58
90, and I think it's because the economy,
44:02
and also it's on a Wednesday and a
44:04
Thursday.
44:06
It's from 8 in the morning or so
44:09
till about 5.
44:11
So if any of you just need to
44:14
do a retreat at home, or maybe people
44:17
are hearing this and can fly in, we'd
44:21
love to have you register.
44:23
You can register going to the League of
44:24
St. Martin, and just pay the donation, and
44:30
you'll get two meals a day, and you
44:33
get to go to two Solemn High Masses
44:35
every day.
44:36
That's a deacon, I mean, a celebrant, a
44:38
deacon, and a subdeacon, and so these are
44:42
rare, these Solemn High Masses.
44:45
And so we adore God with the highest
44:49
form of the Mass that we can do,
44:52
giving him all this glory and honor, and
44:54
we hope someday a bishop will come, and
44:56
we can have a Solemn Pontifical High Mass.
45:00
And that would be amazing, because you need
45:03
17 or so ministers to have a Pontifical
45:06
High Mass.
45:08
So there would be an archpriest, and there
45:11
would be two deacons and two subdeacons, and
45:13
all the minor ministers that go, it's just
45:17
beautiful stuff.
45:19
So at the Holy Face Conference, we want
45:23
to give God great adoration, because he is
45:28
infinitely good and beautiful and true.
45:32
And hopefully we'll all go to heaven someday,
45:35
but we can't just get there by death,
45:37
we got to be in a state of
45:38
grace when we die, have no mortal sin
45:39
on our soul.
45:40
But those of us that will go to
45:42
heaven, please God, me and you are all
45:44
included, we'll be worshiping God and adoring him
45:46
forever.
45:47
So this is a dress rehearsal, it's a
45:50
it's a practice session that we can do
45:54
it, so please come to this Holy Face
46:03
Conference, November 11th through 12th.
46:06
That's one of my favorite episodes of About
46:08
Four O'Clock, because that's how I got
46:10
to know you.
46:11
I listened to that episode and I immediately
46:14
sent an email to Father Carney, I'm like,
46:16
can I know more?
46:17
Can I get involved?
46:19
So that was wonderful.
46:20
I thought it was funny they thought all
46:21
that hubbub was for your birthday.
46:25
No, I'm signed up, I'm super excited, I've
46:28
never been before.
46:29
There's more to it, walking rosary, these are
46:32
all things that I procession.
46:35
I've just seen a picture of the procession
46:37
and it just looks beautiful with more priests
46:40
and more statues, it looks like, you know,
46:44
the procession that we do, just with more
46:47
more people involved.
46:49
So I'm very excited and, you know, often
46:52
I feel like people are intimidated by the
46:54
Latin and the Latin Mass now for about,
46:59
it's probably been like three months, I guess.
47:02
Didn't know anything about it, still don't really
47:04
know a lot about it, but what I
47:06
walk away from it, like my witness of
47:08
it, is I just love the silence.
47:10
It kind of brings us back to the
47:12
apparition at Knock, but one of the striking
47:14
things is that it was a silent apparition,
47:17
nothing was said.
47:19
And so it's kind of reflecting on the
47:21
Eucharistic adoration, but what I find I love
47:24
most about the Latin Mass is just praying
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my rosary and just the reverence.
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It puts, I feel like I'm placed in
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a state of reverence where you're just watching
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and, you know, maybe even more reverence for
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the priest's role, as you were talking about
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earlier, about the priest being the most powerful
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man in the world because he he's been
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given the gift to call God down onto
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the altar.
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And so in that Mass I just find
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that it's, you're stepping in the space of
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reverence, and so it just does a little
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something different with your heart.
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So don't, definitely do not be afraid of
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the Latin Mass.
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You can take it from a newbie who
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doesn't know the words and doesn't always know
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what's going on, and just kind of soaking
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in the silence of it, and the Latin.
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Latin's beautiful.
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All right, I think that's all I have
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for today.
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We can call it a wrap.
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All right, very good.