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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 070426 REPLAY - Remembering John W. Benson with Glenn Ambort · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Welcome to the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. We'll be doing an archive
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  today
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  from 07/04/2023
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  with
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  special guest, Glenn Ambort.
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  Roger and Glenn discuss
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  all kinds of fun things.
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  Enjoy the show.
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  Yes. We'd love to change the world, and we are trying. We're giving giving it our best shot. Welcome to the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com
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  and Global Voice Radio Network among other platforms.
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  Today, we're gonna be doing an archive
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  of 07/04/2023.
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  Roger's
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  longtime friend, mentor,
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  and teacher,
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  Glenn Ambord joins in on the show today.
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  And it
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  was such an enjoyable show.
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  We decided to do it again.
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  The platforms we're on are, of course, hereoffolkradio.com.
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  Thanks to pastor Eli James,
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  Global Voice Radio Network,
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  of course.
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  Those
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  links
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  are available on thematrixdocs.com.
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  That is
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  thematrixdocs
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  or
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  nationalsonly.com.
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  It goes to the same place. We're also on Radio Soapbox from Europe,
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  and we're on one hundred six point nine WBOU
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  FM in Chicago.
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  We're also on Home Network. Tv and Freedom Nation. Tv. Those are thanks to our
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  relationship
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  with WDRN
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  Productions
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  in Fort Collins, Colorado.
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  We're also on GoLive TV and StreamLife.
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  Tube. That's GoLive TV and StreamLife.
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  Tube. StreamLife
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  incidentally
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  has
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  I believe it's 120 or 150,000
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  listeners
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  a day
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  maybe.
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  I'm not sure. Big number,
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  big number.
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  For more information on the topics discussed,
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  please go to thematrixdocs.com.
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  That is thematrixdocs.com
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  or nationalsonly.com.
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  You can also find a link to join us during a live show, which is not today. This is an archive,
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  but you can find the links to join us on free conference call
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  or on Zoom. You can find those right on nationalsonly.com.
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  Unknown: That being said, let's get on with the archive on the radio ranch. We're gonna connect, I think. Yep. We're connected. We're gonna do a little music.
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  Little lullaby.
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  Little Lorraine McKinnon.
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  And you get the show on the road.
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  Unknown: When
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  the senses are shaken and the soul is driven to madness,
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  who can stand?
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  When the souls of the oppressed fight in the troubled air that rages,
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  who can stand?
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  When the whirlwind of fury comes from the throne of God and the frowns of his continents drive the nations together,
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  who can stand?
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  When sin claps his broad wings over the battle and sails rejoicing in a flood of death, when souls are torn to everlasting
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  fire and fiends of hell rejoice upon the strain.
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  Oh, who can stand?
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  Oh, who have caused this?
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  Oh, who can answer at the throne of God?
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  Kings and the nobles of the land have done it.
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  Hear it not heaven,
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  thy ministers
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  Unknown: have done it. Yes. They have.
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  All the above.
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  Okay. As Lorana tails out, I'll say good morning. And
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  Roger Sales, the absence yesterday,
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  but present today
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  and accounted for, I guess, I used to say that. Present, accounted for.
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  Had a little snafu in the electrical deal. It wasn't snafu.
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  I think it was planned. They must have needed to do something as a substation or something like that, maybe new construction.
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  Heck, who knows? Anyway,
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  the end of the story was I had no juice
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  until after twelve. I hung around till twelve thinking it might come back on early, you know, and after
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  that, I took off for lunch and by the time I got back later in the afternoon, it was back on. So here we are,
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  No harm, no foul, and I knew when it happened that a bunch of you guys, you know, always
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  think the worst that the Mossad has come and visited me or something.
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  But no, No. No. No such thing. Just a little common electrical outage.
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  Of course, we coulda had a
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  tornado you know, not a tornado, a volcano or earthquake
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  or
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  any of the things that, you know, potentially could happen down here.
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  But it was not the case. There you go. Give us a whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah. Well well, next time you'll have some options, you know.
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  So
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  anyway
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  Yeah. I was Roger. I was listening. Of course, we're on the radio ranch. It is July 4 and
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  we're
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  on who knows where all this morning. Paul can probably tell us.
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  I was supposed to have Glenn with us. I don't know if he showed up yet or not. Is he? Alright. Well, Big Glenn's here. Well, that's good. Always always a real pleasure. You know, I was you guys send me, you know, so much stuff. Most of it I can't get to quite frankly
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  but one of you sent me a
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  a YouTube video on
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  Mark Twain's sayings.
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  And I was listening to that here this morning and I thought one of them was particularly good. He said, eat a raw frog first thing in the morning
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  and then nothing else worse can happen to you all day.
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  Which has a ring to it. Yesterday,
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  I was real PO'd. Hey, Glenn. Welcome aboard, buddy. I was real PO'd yesterday because there's a whole bunch of stuff I wanted to talk about. Of course, you got John
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  with the one testimonials
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  and all that stuff on Monday and but
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  I was really want to talk about some of these things that happened last week with the Supreme Court and Robert Barnes and
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  some of you had seen the Clarence Thomas
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  autobiographical
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  documentary,
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  I guess is how you label
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  that,
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  and all those things. We can talk about it later as we get on the week. Today,
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  being July 4, I've got my old friend, dear friend, Glenn Amort with us, and happy to
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  get him on the show. We don't have that opportunity very often and we wanted to kinda do a bit of a commemoration here on top of letting you guys get to meet Glenn.
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  A commemoration because today was the
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  what do you say you commemorate as an anniversary? It's a remembrance, I think, maybe better word of
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  the guy that
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  without him, none of us would be here. Okay?
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  And that was John W. Benson, both Glenn and my teacher who had such a dramatic impact on, well, I guess both of us. I'm sure Glenn say the same thing. Glenn, welcome aboard, my friend. To hit your mute off and
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  let me say hello to you here publicly if you could.
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  There's
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  a little mute. There you are. Hey man.
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  Unknown: Okay, can you hear me? Loud and clear.
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  Loud and clear. Okay,
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  this is the ninth
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  memorial
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  for John passing
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  on July 4, the same day or date
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  on which
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  Thomas Jefferson and John Adams,
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  the two early presidents of our nation,
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  died on the same day. So it's
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  fitting that John would choose to, or the Lord would choose to take John on the same day as those two great patriots.
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  Unknown: Glenn and I have talked about it over the years, and I think both of us feel that he willed himself to die on that day.
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  He was obviously
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  very aware of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in that situation, and
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  what a
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  very meek and mild mannered man
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  that
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  has,
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  you know, potentially such a huge impact because of his dedication through his life. You know, Glenn, I've thought about this a number of times,
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  as the
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  chance that we're here. Okay?
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  And a lot of people, on our conversations here, we've talked about the spiritual
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  mileposts
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  along this entire
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  journey, starting all the way back to when John was a young man and his patriarchal blessing.
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  But
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  as I thought about it one day, I was thinking, you know, back in 1992,
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  there's probably about 300,000,000
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  people in the country. Does that sound right?
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  Yeah, it sounds right to me. Okay, well, in the six months you were teaching, you had 1,200 students, I believe you told me.
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  Unknown: Something like that of 1,000 to 1,200, I'm not sure exactly the number, but the IRS kept a good number.
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  Unknown: Out of those 1,200 in that six months, I was the only one that took this further.
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  And I'm not patting myself on the back, I don't really know how this has all happened, quite frankly.
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  But if it wouldn't have been for that, this message wouldn't be out there, folks.
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  Unknown: That's true. Okay.
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  That's true.
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  Unknown: So there's your
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  percentages.
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  I'm not the mathematician type, but if you wanna go back and
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  apply those numbers and come up with some sort of a chance or whatever, it's pretty darn slim.
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  Okay?
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  And,
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  so I'm very grateful.
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  I feel like I've been guided along that and, you know, really, of course, John being the progenitor, both the teacher of Glenn and myself,
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  and but without Glenn,
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  John's information would have ended up thrown into the trash out of a closet when he passed away.
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  Okay? Because he was not the promoter and he wasn't the get out and he was great at what he did, but those weren't some of his strong points.
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  And it's just all of these little factors
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  that work into and play into the very slim chance that we know this information. I'm much less to have a platform
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  to teach it from. And Glenn, one of my goals here is to make sure this information is never lost and to get it,
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  as,
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  indelibly in in people's minds all over the world as, the numbers will allow.
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  And, for this information to continue to be exposed and understood
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  so that we too you know, this whole thing's based on dialectics.
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  So,
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  you
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  can get like a jujitsu
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  master with them, you know, really.
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  And the one that always comes to mind for me is never again.
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  Never again.
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  Okay.
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  So,
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  audience, I wanted you to meet Glenn. We don't he doesn't he comes on the air occasionally, not too often. It's kind of gone off in other directions and whatnot, but today's,
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  special significance,
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  I was able to leverage him onto the show here,
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  and I'm always pleased to do a show with you, my old friend.
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  Unknown: Well, it's a pleasure, my pleasure to be here.
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  Unknown: So what would you like to talk about this morning?
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  Unknown: Well,
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  I
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  suppose that it's repeating
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  the same old
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  song,
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  but
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  how I came to meet John was very significant for me because
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  I wasn't looking to
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  learn anything about
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  taxes or
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  freedom or anything like that. I was a Mormon at the time, that was in 1991.
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  I was living in Bullhead City, Arizona, which is a
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  very, very hot place. When I say hot, I'm talking about temperature wise.
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  I remember one summer I was there,
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  there were over a hundred days in a row where the lowest temperature day or night was above a 100. So
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  we were baking it. And that July 4,
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  I was on
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  the Nevada side of the Colorado
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  River
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  because Bullhead City is right on the cusp of
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  Arizona
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  and Nevada.
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  And, we were over, a bunch of us were over,
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  on the
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  river, you know, trying to keep cool and
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  it was 124
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  degrees in the shade that day.
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  So when I say it was a hot old time with John,
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  I mean that in
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  The the literal
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  Unknown: purest of senses. Yeah,
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  Unknown: so I was down in Bullhead City and I
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  had become
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  a Mormon.
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  I don't know that I was ever a very good Mormon, but I was such as I was, I was a Mormon at the time,
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  and, I wanted to go to the temple.
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  In fact, I had gone to the temple,
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  and,
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  the Mormons are a temple going kind of people.
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  And I went to the temple, and one of the things you have to do when you when you want to go to the temple and if you're a Mormon,
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  is you have to go through,
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  or get what they call a temple recommend. It's a little card about the size of a credit card or debit card.
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  And, you have to be interviewed by your bishop,
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  which is like your local priest in your local congregation.
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  He's your bishop there.
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  And he asked you a number of questions. And one of the questions he asked, are you current with all your
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  legal obligations to the taxing authorities? Have you paid all your taxes? And
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  that was a tough one for me.
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  Thought I was
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  because
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  but I wanted to make sure because,
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  so when when John when I had occasion to meet John,
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  I asked John, which was
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  in about September
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  1991,
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  I said, John, do you know anything about taxes, income taxes?
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  He says, oh, a little. He says,
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  I'll send you A a 30 page
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  Unknown: little, which I'm gonna get you a copy of, okay?
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  Unknown: Well,
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  by the way,
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  as Yahweh,
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  my term for God the Father, Yahweh,
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  would have,
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  I obtained a copy of our first
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  workbook. You remember our workbook with the tabs running? Yeah, I
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  Unknown: didn't know if Daryl found one or not. I thought I had sent him one and a couple in those boxes of books I sent him and then he couldn't find it, so maybe he did find it,
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  Unknown: No,
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  Darrell didn't find it, but I was
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  sitting in my La
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  Z Boy chair where I do my scripture reading. I read the
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  Bible in a digital form, I don't have an actual paper Bible.
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  And the thought came to me to call one of my friends down in Arizona you
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  know, when they
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  get to be almost 84,
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  they mix up the states, so I mixed up Florida and Arizona, but my
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  friend lives in
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  Florida.
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  So I called up my friend in Florida and says, you know, I got the impression,
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  did John or I or Roger or anybody ever send you a copy of our workbook?
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  He says, yeah, I've got it scanned into my computer. Oh my lord.
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  So he sent me the scan for You
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  Unknown: to get that to me because you know who wants that is Josh Wallbuilder to put on SEDM.
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  Unknown: Okay,
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  I'll do that. And I know that
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  boy,
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  really will mix up this name all the time,
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  but
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  I hope she'll forgive me. Nastasia.
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  Yes,
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  say it again, honey. It's Nastasia,
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  Unknown: she's here right Hi
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  Glenn, good morning.
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  Unknown: Okay,
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  I got interrupted. So everybody stay off the line for a second while you pronounce that name so I can get it.
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  Unknown: It's Nastasha.
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  Nastasha.
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  Unknown: Nastasha.
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  Is that is that that's
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  a Slavic name, like like a Russian or something like that?
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  It is. Yeah. It's a beautiful name and I and I and and just so I put my biases on this,
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  happen to favor Russia in this Ukraine war. So if you're Russian, you're you're I do the same. You know, Glenn, I heard a real big,
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  Unknown: oh, ex NSA commentator
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  on AJ
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  a couple of weeks ago. Very skilled guy, very knowledgeable, and he made the statement in his talk. He said,
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  I think Putin is the finest statesman and world politician in the last one hundred years,
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  and I totally agree with him.
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  Unknown: Well, you know, war is not fun, and we know even
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  you know, I'm I'm old enough to be in of the Vietnam era, and we had our the, you know, the My Lai massacre where Right.
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  We hid all those stories, and I I I don't wanna go into that. But the the the point I'm trying to make is war is not fun. And when you get into
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  a situation where men or women
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  are given free rein to take their guns out and shoot
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  murder and well, in war, they don't call it murder, but it seems like it's
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  a legal distinction that's missed on me.
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  When you let men and women loose like that and their emotions
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  get
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  to the surface,
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  many or oftentimes,
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  will do,
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  you know, terrible, terrible things on all sides.
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  So I'm sure that the Russians have done some things in this war that
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  that Putin would not like them to have done, and and the Ukraines have done the same thing, and and we have done it in all war. War is a nasty business.
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  And so I don't wish anything I don't wish that war to go on, but
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  and I don't want to get
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  sidetracked into that, but it's
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  a beautiful name, Nastasha, and if I can remember to pronounce it right, I hope you'll forgive me if I mess up sometimes. We've
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  Unknown: turned Nastasha into law library rat.
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  Unknown: Well, she
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  would be a law library rat in any law school, I can tell you that.
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  I absolutely loved my first entry into the
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  law library at UCLA Law School where I went to school for a year.
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  And
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  I'm kidding you.
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  But the law library is
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  a beautiful thing if used properly and a dreadful thing if it's used improperly. Yes, sir.
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  It's what is going on today. So
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  the point is that when
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  John sent me
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  a 30 page brief, which we labeled later the Thomas Jefferson brief because
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  he he had written it for a guy who had been convicted of,
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  or plead guilty, I'm not sure which, to a
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  failure to file his tax returns up up in Connecticut, as I recall.
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  And
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  he got in touch with John. John lived in Aurora,
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  Colorado.
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  I was gonna say Aurora, Illinois. There I go with my states again.
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  Aurora, Colorado in a very inexpensive
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  apartment
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  in the
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  what you would call the ghetto part of town because he couldn't afford much of a rent because he lived
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  on donations only because he had quit. He used to be an accountant
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  at
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  the,
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  Air Force Base in,
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  in,
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  Provo
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  was it Provo or
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  Ogden, Utah? Whatever that Air
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  Force Base is up there. I forgot the name of it now. I think it's Hill Air Air Force Base, is that right? Some of you who know those things. And
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  he
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  ended up being hired by one of the
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  army's suppliers because
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  he was saving so much money for the army that the that the supplier said, it's cheaper for me to hire you than
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  than to leave you with the army because it's costing me so much in your audits.
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  So I ended up working for him. And then when he got involved in this,
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  trying to find out the truth about income taxes,
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  he
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  needed so much time to do his study that he ended up quitting his job living
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  in a warehouse,
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  a carpet warehouse and sleeping on a
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  roll of or not a roll, but a
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  bunch of carpets put together and
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  working in the
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  researching in the Denver
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  Law School Law Library.
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  Unknown: You know, Glenn,
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  tell that story to try and get across to people the sacrifices
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  that have been made along the path here.
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  And
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  John, if I remember right, lived in that warehouse. One of his buddies had a carpet company at a warehouse there in the Denver area.
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  And what, sixteen months? I think he said he
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  lived in that sixteen months and
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  for twelve,
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  fourteen hours a day would read court cases
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  when his eyesight was so bad that he had to use a magnifying glass as thick as the bottom of a Coke bottle.
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  Unknown: Absolutely.
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  That is that is absolutely true.
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  So anyway, he sent me that 30 page,
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  Thomas Jefferson brief,
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  and I,
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  read it and was astounded
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  at at the information in it. And like you said, we need to make that available now that I've got ahold of it.
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  And
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  the other thing I was gonna make available somehow,
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  as you know, each year
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  I
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  file
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  request for determination
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  of taxes with the general
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  counsel of the Internal Revenue Service in Washington, DC.
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  And of course, as you would probably guess, it's a little bit unusual.
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  It's not your standard run of the mill ten forty, I can assure you.
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  And
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  I've been hesitant to
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  publicize that or make it available to people,
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  because
• 26:38
  as sure as you use that to file,
• 26:42
  some
• 26:43
  adventuresome
• 26:44
  IRS agent is going to challenge you. If you don't know how to defend against, you know, defend the
• 26:52
  thing that I filed,
• 26:54
  I do thanks
• 26:56
  to John,
• 26:58
  a little bit of study on my own. A little bit.
• 27:04
  And the good Lord.
• 27:07
  And I want to get into that a little bit. I don't want this to be a Bible thumping
• 27:11
  session and so forth, but I can tell you
• 27:14
  that
• 27:16
  the stuff that
• 27:18
  has been delivered to me
• 27:20
  into my brain or my mind or whatever it is that's left up there,
• 27:27
  comes from
• 27:30
  the spirit of
• 27:32
  Yahweh and His Son Yeshua.
• 27:34
  So, I can't tell you how many dramatic things, really miracles, you know, people say
• 27:42
  sometimes the day miracles is gone.
• 27:45
  I used to think so too. I don't think that anymore, Roger. I don't either, Glenn.
• 27:49
  The miracles come but they come individually.
• 27:52
  They don't come,
• 27:54
  you know, we don't have a
• 27:56
  Yeshua walking around healing people here in the public,
• 28:01
  but it does come personally. Anyway,
• 28:03
  I got that
• 28:07
  material and
• 28:09
  so I wanted to be able to go to my bishop
• 28:11
  and the stake president as a stake president is the president over maybe four or five bishops.
• 28:17
  So, you kinda have a little bit of a hierarchy there. You have to get them to sign off and each one of them, you have to say
• 28:24
  sort of under the penalty of perjury before God
• 28:27
  that you're up to date on your taxes.
• 28:31
  And so I was able to say that after I'd studied with John
• 28:35
  with much more conviction than I was before, before I thought I was.
• 28:40
  But the truth of the matter is I hadn't filed returns,
• 28:43
  the IRS said in my court case, since 1975.
• 28:47
  And
• 28:50
  this was 1991,
• 28:52
  so I was a little bit out of date.
• 28:56
  But
• 28:57
  I never let it bother me too much.
• 29:01
  So that's how I came to know John.
• 29:06
  Unknown: The first time Have you told that story about how I called him up? Well, I I I don't know that I have. I probably have, but I'd I'm sure they'd rather hear it from you.
• 29:16
  Unknown: Well, I was helping this guy out. I was I was the
• 29:21
  second
• 29:22
  assistant or the assistant in what they call the elders quorum, is a group of men in the Mormon church in that little
• 29:32
  parish there, if you will. They don't call it a parish, they call it a
• 29:37
  I forget even what they call it, the ward.
• 29:41
  I'm getting to be 84, so I can remember what happened fifty
• 29:46
  years ago, but I don't know what I had for breakfast sometimes.
• 29:51
  Unknown: A
• 29:52
  live frog.
• 29:55
  Unknown: I may have had and and it wouldn't have been made my my day bad because I would have forgotten I had it.
• 30:05
  But anyway
• 30:06
  anyway, getting down to the nub here,
• 30:11
  I was able to tell the the the
• 30:13
  stake president and the bishop
• 30:16
  that I that I was current with my tax obligations.
• 30:19
  I didn't say I was current with my tax returns because they would expect, well, show me your current returns, and I didn't have returns to give them because the tax code
• 30:31
  is a marvelous piece
• 30:34
  of absolute
• 30:35
  fraud from beginning to end.
• 30:39
  There's
• 30:43
  so much truth hidden in it that
• 30:45
  you'd never find it if you didn't know what you were looking for. Very true. It
• 30:49
  took a guy like John to be able to
• 30:52
  help me to sort all that out. Now John was the legal researcher who would research
• 30:59
  all the
• 31:00
  substantive
• 31:01
  law. By substantive
• 31:03
  law, I mean this. There's two kinds of laws in the courts.
• 31:07
  One is substantive law. That's the real law. What the law is requires you to do and and not do and so forth and so on. And then there's procedural law. Procedural law is how you litigate
• 31:19
  the substantive law in the courts. And today,
• 31:23
  it's all about procedural
• 31:25
  law. The substantive law has gone by the boards.
• 31:29
  We don't have any substantive law anymore. I mean, we have a substantive law which says you can't come into the country
• 31:37
  unless you come in a certain
• 31:39
  way.
• 31:40
  But does anybody
• 31:42
  who's in full possession of all their mental faculties believe that people
• 31:47
  obey those laws anymore?
• 31:49
  No one does. So the substantive law for people coming into the country is absolutely ignored.
• 31:56
  And we have these little procedures. Well, when they come in, you have to do this and this and this.
• 32:02
  And then I was watching a
• 32:05
  commentary the other day by Tucker Carlson, who's absolutely great. Oh, fabulous.
• 32:11
  About the
• 32:12
  50 people that
• 32:14
  governor DeSantis sent from
• 32:17
  aliens,
• 32:19
  undocumented aliens, up from Florida to Martha's Vineyard.
• 32:23
  And there were 50 people. He chartered
• 32:26
  or some people chartered a plane and sent it up there,
• 32:30
  and that landed at Martha's Vineyard, and I guess within
• 32:35
  forty eight hours they had been relocated to a military base into the brig,
• 32:40
  what we call the prison, but it's a brig.
• 32:44
  And so this is
• 32:46
  probably the liberalest, whitest, richest
• 32:50
  area in in in The United States, Martha's Vineyard.
• 32:54
  And, you know, they have all these signs, you know, all people all, you know, black lives matter and this, that, and and and and there's absolutely black lives do matter as do white white white lives and red red lives and yellow lives and everybody else's lives.
• 33:10
  But,
• 33:12
  they have all these welcoming signs and all that sort of thing, but within forty eight hours, those those 50 people, you know, they had because it was off season, they had over a thousand beds available,
• 33:22
  and they said we don't have room to house these people. They had a they had over a thousand vacant beds.
• 33:28
  You you gotta listen to Tucker Carlson. It's just he's just fabulous, his presentation.
• 33:33
  And within forty eight hours, they were in a military
• 33:36
  base on Cape Cod
• 33:38
  in the brig in in in the
• 33:41
  well, I don't know if they were in the brig, but they were in confinement.
• 33:45
  And so so it's it's an absolute lie. We
• 33:48
  Biden allows them in,
• 33:50
  and then you you bring them to somewhere like this,
• 33:54
  and you find out that they don't want them there. They want them in the poor section, the poor states
• 33:59
  where where they where they won't where they won't, you know, make a fuss about them. And wasn't Martha's Vineyard a sanctuary city?
• 34:07
  Well, don't. You you you probably know more about that than I do, and I may have I may have forgotten that along with my my frog breakfast.
• 34:15
  It seems like it was that I heard that in that commentary. Well, it may well have been. It may well have been the Pope's residence for all I know. You
• 34:25
  Unknown: gotta tip your hat to DeSantos,
• 34:27
  that was a brilliant political stroke.
• 34:29
  Unknown: It was. Anyway,
• 34:31
  I think I've got
• 34:33
  drifted
• 34:34
  a little bit away from my topic.
• 34:37
  Unknown: No, not you. You'd never do that.
• 34:42
  There's so many
• 34:43
  there's so many little side roads here when you talk about this. When they're 83,
• 34:49
  Unknown: they have so many
• 34:50
  alleys and back alleys and paths and streams and so forth that they've gone down that they can't there isn't enough time left in their life to tell all the stories they've got piled up in their brain. That's why I get the radio show, Glenn.
• 35:05
  I guess.
• 35:06
  I guess. But anyway, that
• 35:09
  Thomas Jefferson brief caused me,
• 35:12
  you know, on occasion, I'll drift back to the topic,
• 35:17
  caused me to go to the law library for the county of San Luis Obispo, California where I was raised as a kid.
• 35:25
  And I spent, Christmas of nineteen ninety one
• 35:29
  every day of the week. I think they're only open five days a week. Every day of the week,
• 35:35
  eight or ten hours, what however many hours it was
• 35:38
  researching all that John had given me, you know, in that 30 page brief.
• 35:42
  And at the end of that
• 35:45
  that,
• 35:46
  vacation, I called up John. I said, John, why aren't you teaching this to all the world?
• 35:52
  He says, well, I don't know how to promote it. He he had been helping people for fifteen years and he'd help, you know, eight or 10 or 15 people a year who would come to him and so forth and I said, you ought to teach this
• 36:04
  And he says,
• 36:06
  do you know how to promote it? I said, I don't know how to promote it, but I know a buddy of mine who is.
• 36:11
  And that was Dominic Nodder up in
• 36:13
  you
• 36:14
  heard of Dominic, didn't you, Roger? You know, Glenn, I don't know that I've heard that name before. Well, Dominic Knodder, if it weren't for Dominic Knodder, should have him on show
• 36:24
  sometime. I'll give you his emails if you'll remind me.
• 36:30
  Notice I don't say I'll do it, I just say remind me. Don't remind me.
• 36:35
  If I say I'll do it, it'll go along with the frog.
• 36:41
  Dominic Nodder lives up in Oregon. He's a wonderful, wonderful young well, he was a young man there, I guess. Let's see how old is Dominic now. I guess he's in his 50s.
• 36:51
  But Dominic,
• 36:54
  do
• 36:55
  you remember,
• 36:57
  Roger,
• 36:58
  these
• 37:00
  I don't know whether they're called bag phones or something like that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, I remember those, yeah.
• 37:06
  You're
• 37:07
  this little
• 37:08
  machine and you talk and you could talk all over the world without paying the
• 37:15
  telephone company? Yeah,
• 37:18
  he had one of those and that's how I'd met him. I'd met him at a convention,
• 37:23
  of some kind
• 37:25
  and,
• 37:26
  and he was he is a master
• 37:29
  promoter.
• 37:31
  So I said I'll get a hold of him and so I got a hold of him. Anyway, the three of us made kind of a union and Dominic started promoting that John
• 37:41
  seminar.
• 37:42
  We scheduled a seminar for February
• 37:44
  1992
• 37:46
  in Dallas, Texas.
• 37:49
  And we had 50 people at that seminar.
• 37:51
  Unknown: John gave the seminar there. Do you know, Glenn? I've
• 37:55
  had people that were at that seminar that have come on the show.
• 37:59
  Unknown: Oh, have you? Yes.
• 38:01
  Is that right? Well, I gave an introductory
• 38:06
  meeting the night before at the hotel,
• 38:09
  a free seminar, know, and invited every IRS agent there or anybody knew an IRS agent to come to our seminars.
• 38:16
  And so we did it quite openly.
• 38:18
  Anyway, from that,
• 38:20
  that spread across the country. We gave for six months, we gave seminars.
• 38:25
  When I say we gave, we charged
• 38:28
  $1,500
• 38:29
  at the time,
• 38:31
  so we didn't give.
• 38:33
  Unknown: You paid the $1,500 I assume, Roger. I did. You know, I got a story about that too, but I'll let you finish on.
• 38:41
  No time like the president to give it. Well, I I was, you know, strange for me because I'm just in the sixties and you're talking about Vietnam when when we were young, and I
• 38:51
  just always knew something was wrong. See? And I never knew what it was. I'd yell at the television, at the news guys, and all that, and that went on through the seventies and through the eighties
• 39:03
  until I crossed paths with you guys indirectly
• 39:07
  at a network marketing meeting. Fun and and somebody,
• 39:12
  one of these three brothers I worked with, came up to me and said, income tax is illegal.
• 39:18
  And I went, oh, yeah. Sure. And they said, no. We got a tape. We got a tape. And I said, well, I'm open minded. I'll certainly watch it. And it took them it was in Virginia,
• 39:28
  and it took them about two weeks to get that tape down there. I remember the night I watched it, July 16 in 1992.
• 39:36
  Okay? That's how I met you guys.
• 39:38
  And that was a tape by an old guy. You'll remember Al Carter.
• 39:42
  Oh, yeah? Who had, sponged off of Phil Marsh's information. He was a PAY triad.
• 39:48
  But he had, as Glenn is fond of saying, everybody's got some pieces of the puzzle.
• 39:53
  And,
• 39:55
  so it was,
• 39:57
  07/16/1992,
• 39:59
  a Thursday night when I watched that. I watched half of it because that was the night of Bill Clinton's
• 40:06
  first inaugural
• 40:07
  acceptance
• 40:08
  speech.
• 40:10
  I wanted to watch that, and I figured it'd be twenty or thirty minutes,
• 40:15
  and I'd go back and watch the tape. Well, if you'll remember, that's the longest acceptance speech
• 40:20
  by anybody in the history of American politics. You got up there and played a sax ophone and all that crap for two hours.
• 40:26
  And I must not have been able I must have had something going on Friday night. This is a Thursday night because I didn't get a chance to watch that until Saturday morning. And it's one of those mornings when, you know, you wake up, you don't need coffee, you bound out of bed. Right? And I jumped down the stairs and I threw that tape in and watched the second half.
• 40:46
  And at the end of it, I said, if they can screw us this bad without us knowing it, what else is going on? And that's where I started.
• 40:54
  And it was about two or three weeks. I saw Phil Marsh. He just happened to be in Atlanta, very close to my house,
• 41:02
  and I went and saw Phil Marsh,
• 41:04
  got some of his information, started following into it, and it was about two weeks later. So it must have been in August,
• 41:12
  early August to middle August that my
• 41:15
  deceased
• 41:16
  Jewish Russian
• 41:17
  psychiatrist
• 41:19
  friend who was well aware of all this stuff and was trying to guide us through it, you know?
• 41:25
  And Stan Brovi was his name, and he had that Russian accent. He kinda says, Roger, Roger, there's a tax meeting in town. I said, who is it? Who is it? And he said, I don't know. It's this guy named Benson.
• 41:37
  And I thought it was Bill Benson.
• 41:40
  And I came over there that night, Glenn got up and did the Friday night presentation and anybody that wanted to go through the seminar. And I remember you said, you said, okay, is this seminar and it's $1,500
• 41:53
  with a money back guarantee, no questions asked.
• 41:56
  And I gotta tell you, my intent was because I didn't have a bunch of money, but I had $1,500.
• 42:01
  And my intent was to go in there and listen and request my money back. And at the end of that Sunday night,
• 42:08
  there was no way in hell that I could request that money back.
• 42:14
  Well, you remember? It was in it was in an insurance, a Mormon guy's insurance company's
• 42:21
  office right out there by what's affectionately
• 42:24
  known in Atlanta.
• 42:26
  Many of you that have been through there have experienced this called Spaghetti Junction,
• 42:31
  where two eighty five the perimeter meets 85
• 42:34
  that goes on up the East Coast and
• 42:37
  that office is called the Koger Center and it was right next to that intersection.
• 42:43
  Unknown: I know exactly where that Koger Center was because I used to teach Silva Mine Control across the street, the side of that highway. Highway. Glen lived in Atlanta for a little while.
• 42:53
  Unknown: Yeah, for about ten years. So that's how our paths crossed, man.
• 42:57
  Unknown: Yeah,
• 42:59
  anyway,
• 43:02
  that's what started our teaching.
• 43:05
  And
• 43:07
  we taught for six months and then they shut us down, raided us and with guns That was about in October, wasn't it? October that year?
• 43:15
  They raided us in November. November, okay. Yeah, yeah, they raided us in November
• 43:21
  and they said that we had taught
• 43:24
  a thousand or 1,200 people.
• 43:28
  Think 1,200.
• 43:30
  Okay,
• 43:32
  you know, that
• 43:33
  may again be a case of the frog.
• 43:39
  Anyway,
• 43:41
  we
• 43:45
  taught them and we taught people how to file the taxes that they were required to file by the IRS.
• 43:51
  So in other words, no funny business.
• 43:53
  Just file your your good old ten forty.
• 43:56
  And,
• 43:58
  then if you genuinely
• 44:00
  had a beef, you you complained about something that you didn't like or you thought it was wrong or whatever your
• 44:07
  thinking might be,
• 44:09
  you had a right to,
• 44:12
  do an administrative claim for refund,
• 44:15
  which is required.
• 44:16
  You know, whenever you deal with government
• 44:19
  agencies and you want to sue them, which is quite often these days,
• 44:25
  you have to do an administrative
• 44:27
  claim
• 44:28
  first,
• 44:29
  what they call exhaust your administrative remedies.
• 44:32
  And the reason for that is to give that administrative
• 44:35
  agency the opportunity to correct their error if they made an error. Now, 99%
• 44:42
  of the time they won't admit to an error, you have to go through that process anyway.
• 44:47
  So the IRS, you do administrative claim by filing a refund claim, telling them how much you want back, why, and what the reasons are and so forth and so on. And then if they don't give it back or they don't answer your your your, your administrative
• 45:03
  claim for refund,
• 45:05
  within six months, it's considered to have been denied and you have the right then to go into the
• 45:12
  United States district court and litigate your issue with the
• 45:16
  the
• 45:17
  courts.
• 45:18
  That's exactly what we taught.
• 45:21
  But they said, well, that's a that's a crime to teach people to challenge the taxes after they paid them.
• 45:28
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Well, you know, the label that's missing here is revocation of election, but go ahead.
• 45:35
  Unknown: They
• 45:37
  you know, it's like, why why bother to have the administrative claim for refund if you're if if it's a claim if it's a crime to use it?
• 45:46
  You know?
• 45:47
  But
• 45:49
  we we did that and
• 45:53
  they then said we were filing false and fraudulent claims. We said, was false and fraudulent? Well, I won't go into all the the the mishmash back and forth about false and fraudulent,
• 46:04
  but I was convicted of of
• 46:07
  aiding and assisting people,
• 46:10
  for filing false tax returns for for for doing that, doing the very thing that we were teaching them.
• 46:17
  And
• 46:19
  when I was sentenced, when you're sentenced,
• 46:22
  they they have what they call a,
• 46:26
  judgment judgment
• 46:27
  and commitment order.
• 46:29
  That is the court, the judge, gives gives you a judgment that you're guilty.
• 46:34
  Okay?
• 46:35
  And a commitment order is a commitment committing you to the Bureau of Prisons,
• 46:40
  United States Bureau of Prisons.
• 46:42
  So that's why it's called a judgment and commitment order.
• 46:45
  So,
• 46:48
  when you look at the judgment and commitment order,
• 46:51
  if
• 46:52
  the the person has defrauded
• 46:55
  the government of a bunch of money,
• 46:56
  guess what?
• 46:58
  They're gonna have something on there called restitution.
• 47:01
  Uh-oh.
• 47:02
  And restitution is a is a biggie.
• 47:06
  And, in my case, you know, and and the restitution is the amount of taxes that the government
• 47:11
  lost or would have lost if you would have been successful in your venture.
• 47:17
  Well, if we were successful in our venture, they would have lost millions of dollars.
• 47:21
  Unknown: You know what the restitution was for me? No. I've never heard you tell this before.
• 47:26
  Unknown: The restitution for me was zero.
• 47:29
  You know why? They didn't lose any money because everybody paid the taxes.
• 47:35
  It wasn't about
• 47:37
  defrauding the government of taxes.
• 47:39
  Unknown: Was to
• 47:42
  get you boys off the street.
• 47:45
  Unknown: Well,
• 47:47
  I don't know that somebody said that exactly the
• 47:50
  way you just mentioned, but we
• 47:55
  figured that if they didn't get us off the streets,
• 47:58
  we would have shut
• 48:00
  the IRS down with so much paperwork, they would have now that wasn't our intention. Our intention was to get the real
• 48:07
  message about the taxes out to the public.
• 48:10
  The income tax is perfectly legitimate on on on people who make
• 48:16
  income and profits.
• 48:17
  Now income is defined as profits and gains.
• 48:20
  Gains like you
• 48:22
  buy a stock at 20 and you sell it at a 100 and you made $80 profit. That is taxable. That's gains.
• 48:32
  When a woman
• 48:33
  knits
• 48:35
  bedspreads and sells them for $20 to the neighborhood,
• 48:39
  Unknown: you can't do that anymore, but they used to be able to do that. Glenn, let me ask you a question. I wanna interrupt you for a second because you left out a real important part. One of the reasons that I think they came after you guys is after the raid,
• 48:50
  you moved from Las Vegas back to Salt Lake
• 48:54
  and got out and John started running against Orrin Hatch and you started running against whoever the House of Representatives is
• 49:02
  in that area, and you guys were out on the campaign trail talking this tax stuff.
• 49:09
  Unknown: Well, we were we were we were out on the campaign trail. That that is that is certainly true.
• 49:15
  I I did leave that out. I didn't,
• 49:18
  you know There's
• 49:20
  Unknown: some of this come up around here because it's a
• 49:22
  we discuss it because it's a way we can take an offense.
• 49:26
  You know, I figured filing the affidavit levels
• 49:30
  the playing field.
• 49:31
  Okay?
• 49:32
  But then you can take offensive measures. Alright? Like pulling yourself out of the tax system.
• 49:39
  But
• 49:40
  you guys went in before you did that. I remember you telling me years ago,
• 49:45
  you went into the supervisor of elections office and changed your voting status to electors. Do you remember that?
• 49:54
  Unknown: I remember going into the to that office
• 49:57
  because there was there was such a it's it's like going into a chicken coop where there were just feathers flying all over the place.
• 50:06
  Murr? Murr? Murr?
• 50:09
  We did we did we did do something in there and I don't remember exactly what it was now. Well, see, I'm trying to get our people to press the envelope on that.
• 50:18
  Well, what you the point you bring up is is is
• 50:22
  is very valid.
• 50:24
  John and I were not were not
• 50:27
  wallflowers.
• 50:28
  We didn't we didn't just
• 50:30
  we didn't go quietly into the night.
• 50:34
  We said, hey. We didn't do anything wrong. Let's take it to him. So we did.
• 50:39
  And and and
• 50:41
  as you say, John is a meek and mild person.
• 50:44
  I I have a, you know, I graduated from Annapolis in military,
• 50:48
  and I have a little bit more at that point, more than I do now. But
• 50:52
  this military thing, let's let's go after him, John.
• 50:57
  So so
• 50:59
  I was I was just when when we came to sentencing on our taxes,
• 51:03
  I was sentenced as a ringleader because they all figured
• 51:06
  if John was left alone, he'd he'd still be, you know,
• 51:10
  out there in Aurora doing nothing.
• 51:13
  But you you bring Glenn along and
• 51:15
  look what happened. Things happen.
• 51:19
  Well,
• 51:20
  you know, if I were
• 51:22
  and I'm not saying this to
• 51:25
  be
• 51:26
  argumentative or anything like that, but if I were involved in the
• 51:30
  stuff that you're doing today, and I'm not, as
• 51:34
  you said earlier in
• 51:35
  the introduction,
• 51:38
  God has kind of taken me in a different direction.
• 51:41
  In fact, the whole purpose of getting me into that tax movement
• 51:44
  from spiritual
• 51:46
  point of view had nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with getting me in prison to where God could talk some sense into me.
• 51:54
  And it took prison to do it
• 51:57
  because,
• 51:58
  you know,
• 51:59
  I guess I'm not an
• 52:02
  well,
• 52:04
  I'm half Cherokee and half Swiss.
• 52:08
  Unknown: Tremendous combination.
• 52:09
  Didn't they have you 90 charges up against you?
• 52:13
  Unknown: I was sentenced for 69
• 52:19
  felonies for aiding and assisting in one felony of conspiracy.
• 52:23
  So I've got 70 felony charges on my record.
• 52:27
  Badge of honor.
• 52:29
  So I'm
• 52:30
  a very bad person.
• 52:34
  At least that's the way the IRS I hope the Lord doesn't see it that way. Sounds like they might've been scared the hell of you.
• 52:41
  Well,
• 52:43
  could be. They never
• 52:45
  bothered to tell me. Of course not.
• 52:50
  Unknown: You know what I've come to understand, Glenn, and I've really come to a lot of understandings teaching this stuff, really, you know, for so long.
• 52:59
  This
• 52:59
  income tax thing, it's the absolute
• 53:02
  total
• 53:04
  Achilles heel of these guys.
• 53:08
  Unknown: Well, it may be.
• 53:13
  John used to say, and I agreed with him, he says, I don't give a flip.
• 53:19
  He didn't use the
• 53:21
  words that we usually associate with that phrase.
• 53:25
  He says, I don't give a flip whether anybody
• 53:29
  saves
• 53:30
  $1 in income taxes. And that's not why I went into this. I went into this to find out what the truth was about the income taxes. And if it so happens that you're entitled to refunds, that's
• 53:43
  all the better.
• 53:44
  But that's not what
• 53:46
  my purpose was. My purpose was to reveal the truth to people.
• 53:52
  Unknown: To say
• 53:53
  deal his deal, Glenn, I'm gonna interrupt you again. I'm sorry. His deal was
• 53:58
  to expose people to the tax system so they could see the bigger picture of liberty.
• 54:04
  Remember him saying that. Okay.
• 54:06
  Unknown: Absolutely.
• 54:07
  And that and and that's and that's my goal. My goal, you know, and I'm I'm trying to carry on John's goal because John passed, and I I believe, as you said earlier in the
• 54:17
  in
• 54:20
  the
• 54:21
  meeting
• 54:22
  that
• 54:23
  John had
• 54:26
  ulterior motives
• 54:29
  at work here.
• 54:30
  He really wanted to do
• 54:33
  the work that
• 54:34
  God sent him to do. Was a very, very
• 54:38
  devout spiritual man. He was. Much more than I am.
• 54:43
  Unknown: So humble and meek and mild.
• 54:46
  Unknown: Yeah. Really.
• 54:49
  Not much like you and me. No,
• 54:52
  Unknown: no.
• 54:56
  Unknown: But anyway,
• 54:58
  they said we taught 1,200
• 55:00
  people
• 55:01
  in six months
• 55:03
  and we taught them how they could
• 55:05
  amend their returns for three years and go back and make their claims
• 55:09
  and
• 55:10
  use the
• 55:12
  information that they had learned
• 55:15
  as the basis for
• 55:18
  their claim for refund.
• 55:20
  And so they did that
• 55:24
  and they sent in a thousand of those
• 55:29
  our students or 1,200.
• 55:31
  But the IRS said at trial that they had over 100,000
• 55:35
  Unknown: of those. That's right. Let
• 55:37
  me tell the audience what they're talking about. The affidavit.
• 55:41
  They had received over 100,000
• 55:45
  of them
• 55:47
  when John and Glenn taught 1,200.
• 55:49
  There's your patriot community right there.
• 55:53
  Ron, hold on. The Mirka?
• 55:56
  Unknown: Yeah. Didn't you say that you had some IRS agents in there too
• 56:00
  learning with you guys?
• 56:02
  Unknown: No. No. They gave it well, I'll let Glenn We
• 56:06
  Unknown: we offered them to come in. I'm not sure if any of them ever came in, my dear. To be honest with you, I do I just don't know the answer to that. I cannot believe
• 56:15
  that they didn't have some people filtered
• 56:18
  in there, but we offered
• 56:21
  all of our materials to them free of charge.
• 56:24
  And I had my office manager,
• 56:27
  Todd Grannis up in
• 56:29
  Grants Pass, Oregon,
• 56:31
  the IRS office.
• 56:33
  And I myself called the IRS office
• 56:36
  and spoke with the, one of the,
• 56:39
  assistants in
• 56:40
  the commissioner of internal revenue services office
• 56:43
  and offered to have them come out to our seminars and where we taught our teachers and all that sort of thing. And,
• 56:50
  they,
• 56:52
  said, well, we'll refer this to our education department. Boy, did they I
• 56:57
  never got a visit from the education department of the IRS. Oh, no. You did. Oh, you did. Unless
• 57:03
  they raided my offices and my home for eight hours of guns drawn and all that sort of thing. That was meant to give me an education.
• 57:11
  Did.
• 57:13
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 57:16
  Unknown: So so so the so as
• 57:19
  as Roger just said,
• 57:21
  the whole system
• 57:24
  is corrupt.
• 57:25
  It's not because we have a corrupt system. We have
• 57:29
  as wonderful a system as mankind could have
• 57:33
  for government, civil government
• 57:35
  in our country if it would be put into practice.
• 57:39
  But men are such that they
• 57:42
  when I say men, I'm using that in the Hebrew sense where men included men and women, but when you said women, it only included women. So I'm speaking as a Hebrew here.
• 57:54
  That when men get a hold of things and
• 57:57
  they they can see a way to profit from it personally,
• 58:01
  guess what?
• 58:02
  Many of them will be honest and won't do it, but it only takes one to start doing it and others will see him do it. They'll fall in line. And what do we have in congress today?
• 58:13
  If you've if you've read anything
• 58:15
  about BlackRock,
• 58:17
  you know that they're the I think the wealthiest,
• 58:19
  corporation in the world.
• 58:22
  There's there's a whistleblower from inside BlackRock said, we can we can buy and sell senators and congressmen all day. Yep. The secret is to buy them without them know you know, without them specifically knowing they're being bought
• 58:37
  so that they'll do what you want them to do. So what do we have at the congress today?
• 58:42
  You know, we we have a congress that
• 58:46
  that allows
• 58:47
  look, congress could stop this this border thing if they wanted to,
• 58:52
  but there are too many people being being rewarded.
• 58:57
  Right. Paid. Paid or whatever it is that that is going on there that our congress you know, you you got Trump and Trump has a lot of baggage. Don't get me wrong. We we don't have any saints running for office that I can see. And certainly,
• 59:14
  brother Trump is not a saint,
• 59:16
  but he's
• 59:19
  the least of the devils that we've got to choose from. At least there's no slave owners in this background.
• 59:25
  Well, yeah, not that we found yet anyway.
• 59:29
  Who knows?
• 59:30
  Who knows?
• 59:31
  And and he and he brought this this this dreadful
• 59:35
  vaccine
• 59:37
  on us, you know, the warp speed and all that sort thing. Yes. So he made some choices. You know, now I heard Barnes, and Barnes litigated the case of the Pfizer whistleblower
• 59:46
  Unknown: down in Texas,
• 59:48
  and he saw the contract,
• 59:50
  and it was Pfizer
• 59:52
  that reneged on the contract. The contract he signed
• 59:56
  had all this will to be safe, it'll be delivered, it'd be all these stipulations,
• 1:00:00
  and they didn't adhere to any of them. And that information
• 1:00:03
  outside of hearing Robert Barnes who saw the contract say it, I haven't heard anybody else mention.
• 1:00:10
  Unknown: Oh, no. They won't mention it, Roger,
• 1:00:13
  because
• 1:00:14
  as you know, the whole point of this program is that it isn't about
• 1:00:19
  it's
• 1:00:21
  about it's about finding the truth today,
• 1:00:24
  and the truth is a is a very, very rare commodity. It's elusive. That's why I love John so much because
• 1:00:31
  John was a man who stood for truth. Whatever it cost, if we had to go he said, if we have to go to prison for for for exposing the truth,
• 1:00:41
  then I'm willing to go. I never thought that would happen because
• 1:00:45
  I believed at that time I was
• 1:00:47
  what how old was I? In 1992.
• 1:00:50
  Let's see. I was In your fifties?
• 1:00:55
  I was born in '40 and it was 1992.
• 1:00:57
  So what was I? 50 somebody do the math. '52.
• 1:01:02
  Unknown: That's
• 1:01:04
  it for one hundred six point nine WBOU
• 1:01:06
  FM Chicago. Thank you for joining us for this archive. Go to thematrixdogs.com
• 1:01:12
  for more information on how to follow us into the second hour.
• 1:01:15
  Unknown: So I was,
• 1:01:17
  you know, I still believe even at that age,
• 1:01:22
  I still believe that if a man was innocent or a woman, a man or woman was innocent, that they would never go to prison in our nation for for for something. Right. But that's not true today.
• 1:01:33
  That's not true today. Look at look at these these j these January 6 people, j six people that are in prison and so forth. Many of them, they were just peacefully marching there, but but what have they done? They've turned that into a a a grand conspiracy that they that Trump was trying to take over the the capital and do away with the election and so on. You know what they really did here? You know what they really did there? They used that as a pivot point
• 1:01:59
  Unknown: to pivot all of the after nine eleven stuff for foreign terrorists
• 1:02:04
  to pivot that domestically.
• 1:02:06
  That was the purpose of that. That's why they're adhering to it so tenaciously.
• 1:02:12
  Unknown: Well, you probably know a great deal more about that than I because you keep up on those things and I accept that what you say is correct.
• 1:02:19
  But I know that it's that the country like
• 1:02:24
  I said, I'm 83
• 1:02:27
  years old.
• 1:02:28
  I never would have in my wildest dreams ever believed
• 1:02:32
  that the country would come to what it is today. No. This was not the country that I grew up in. Nope. And and I I'm not
• 1:02:40
  I wanna live till the savior comes back again, okay? So I'm not eager to die,
• 1:02:45
  but
• 1:02:48
  I gotta tell you that the
• 1:02:51
  country that we live in today,
• 1:02:53
  people, is not even close close to what
• 1:02:57
  I grew up in. No. It was a beautiful country. It's a wonderful country. Maybe it was wonderful because we didn't see all
• 1:03:04
  the things that were going on and maybe there was a lot more going on than we know.
• 1:03:09
  But I know that I loved my country at the time.
• 1:03:13
  The country that I see today,
• 1:03:16
  I love it because I love the people in it. I'm an American and I'm in love with Americans.
• 1:03:21
  But I know that it's a sad day. That's why I could not celebrate
• 1:03:25
  Unknown: the July 4. You know what, the way I look at it, Glenn, and I agree with you 100%,
• 1:03:32
  is I fall back on the principles upon which it was founded upon,
• 1:03:37
  and I can always adhere and live up to those.
• 1:03:41
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. I love I love that the principles that our that our country was founded upon, if only we would live by them. Yes.
• 1:03:49
  But
• 1:03:50
  it's it's not but but I'm not here to bemoan everything in the world, and there are lots of good things about about our country. There are good people everywhere. There are good Russians. There are good Ukrainians. There are good Afghanistans,
• 1:04:03
  there's there's good everywhere.
• 1:04:06
  But
• 1:04:08
  Unknown: And consequently,
• 1:04:09
  the dialectic applies.
• 1:04:12
  Unknown: Well, yeah, you you that's something you know a great deal about and I don't. But I do know this,
• 1:04:19
  that we're
• 1:04:23
  shown a way
• 1:04:25
  like I said, the first reason that John and I the first reason that I got involved in this was to make sure that I was doing right by
• 1:04:35
  my,
• 1:04:38
  temple recommend. I wanted to make sure that I was not lying
• 1:04:42
  when I said that I'm in compliance
• 1:04:45
  with
• 1:04:48
  Unknown: Your tax obligations.
• 1:04:50
  Unknown: Yeah,
• 1:04:51
  that I was indeed in compliance and so forth. But I wanted to know for sure. And if I wasn't, I was willing to go back and file every single document that I ever was ever required to do that I didn't do,
• 1:05:06
  at the time because to me,
• 1:05:08
  the truth was more important than
• 1:05:11
  than saving a couple dollars on taxes.
• 1:05:14
  And
• 1:05:16
  I and and John felt that too. And I and I I love that about John. John was a saintly man. He was not a tax dodger
• 1:05:24
  or anything like that. He was a man who was seeking the truth and
• 1:05:28
  and truth today,
• 1:05:31
  we didn't John and I didn't had no idea how difficult it was to find. But truth today,
• 1:05:38
  Unknown: it's more more precious than pearls. Well, you know what I tell the listeners is there's no pure
• 1:05:46
  stream of truth in this program right here on the face of the planet.
• 1:05:52
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:05:54
  Yep.
• 1:05:56
  And and and that's what we that's what we were all about. And and so I've I've I've thought I I mentioned earlier and like I said, I weave back into some of the streams that I started.
• 1:06:09
  I
• 1:06:10
  thought about, you know, the fact that I have not
• 1:06:14
  shared what file
• 1:06:16
  because
• 1:06:18
  people,
• 1:06:19
  Unknown: you know, might run amok. We got a lot simpler way
• 1:06:24
  to do it these days.
• 1:06:26
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:06:27
  and so maybe you don't need my stuff and maybe mine is no good. No, no, no. Yours
• 1:06:34
  Unknown: is very
• 1:06:36
  good. I don't have any qualms with that, it's just this
• 1:06:40
  yours is not for the masses, put it that way. Ours can be applied to the masses.
• 1:06:47
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:06:49
  leaving that aside, I
• 1:06:53
  thought as I was coming onto this program that
• 1:06:56
  what I'm probably
• 1:06:59
  open to doing and probably will do if it's something that you guys want to do
• 1:07:04
  is,
• 1:07:06
  you know that book
• 1:07:10
  I saw somebody purchase it the other day
• 1:07:13
  or two ago,
• 1:07:14
  Taxation by Misrepresentation.
• 1:07:16
  Oh, Right.
• 1:07:18
  I thought about taking that book and adding
• 1:07:22
  my
• 1:07:25
  tax thing to the back end of it as an, you know, just an appendix,
• 1:07:30
  know, add an appendix and so forth. And that way, anybody who who saw it would see what happened, would be forced to
• 1:07:39
  well, you you never would be forced to read, but at least you'll have the opportunity to read
• 1:07:44
  what it was based upon by reading the taxation by misrepresentation.
• 1:07:49
  And then you'll have a basis for for fighting that if you do come across the
• 1:07:55
  the Nazis,
• 1:07:56
  the the FBI and and all that sort of thing. So I think that I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna make that available.
• 1:08:05
  I don't care whether people buy it. I don't care whether it's $15
• 1:08:08
  or $2 or 0, you know, whatever you decide. I leave that up to the group because
• 1:08:14
  I don't want to do something that
• 1:08:17
  hurts
• 1:08:20
  your business. Anyway,
• 1:08:22
  so I'm giving some thought to that because that would be a way
• 1:08:28
  that you could have it
• 1:08:31
  if you wanted to if you wanted to use it, you could.
• 1:08:34
  If you don't wanna use it, that's fine too, but but I think I need to get that information out. I think John would want it out, so I'm gonna do what would please John. Listen, we don't have our business is helping people understand how to get free,
• 1:08:49
  Unknown: and I don't charge anybody for this. I've never thought I should charge anybody for freedom. Okay?
• 1:08:56
  And
• 1:08:57
  I didn't want anybody coming back and using that as some sort of a, Oh, and he's charging for that, you know, the PAY Trio deal.
• 1:09:06
  I took that
• 1:09:08
  objection right out from under him, okay?
• 1:09:12
  Unknown: So whatever,
• 1:09:14
  I'm that gonna available in a format that, is you know, works for you guys.
• 1:09:21
  And,
• 1:09:22
  then if people read that,
• 1:09:25
  ahead of time, pardon me, if people read that ahead of time and then they choose to do it, then at least they will have a basis upon which to do it.
• 1:09:36
  Unknown: Glenn, you know what really has driven me, and I've thought about it many times over all these years,
• 1:09:42
  and what drove me from the very start
• 1:09:46
  was 26 CFR 1.1
• 1:09:49
  dash one a.
• 1:09:51
  Mhmm. And non resident alien,
• 1:09:53
  and to the lengths they went through to put that in there.
• 1:09:57
  And that hooked me from that first weekend
• 1:10:01
  and it drove me to where we are today.
• 1:10:05
  Unknown: Well, that's great.
• 1:10:07
  So
• 1:10:08
  anyway,
• 1:10:09
  those are some
• 1:10:10
  of my thoughts along that line.
• 1:10:13
  Unknown: Raj, if I may? Yeah, Paul. This is Paul, Glenn. He's one of You know, it's funny, the worst interview I've ever done got the most response.
• 1:10:21
  Okay. How's that? And Paul came from that, and we're damn glad to have him. Paul, what do you got?
• 1:10:28
  Unknown: And I only saw part three of the worst. I didn't even see parts one and two. Well, you might not have been here if you've seen one and two.
• 1:10:36
  I have no idea.
• 1:10:38
  Well, Natasha
• 1:10:40
  wanted to wanted Glenn to talk about something. She wanted him to clarify something. I think she wants him to go over her
• 1:10:48
  Unknown: procedure on what he does with the general counsel of the IRS. Is that right, Nastasha?
• 1:10:55
  Unknown: Yes. Because I really value,
• 1:11:00
  what
• 1:11:01
  I mean, I've read and I'm in this process of rereading
• 1:11:05
  the United Slaves of America. I'm going through it bit by bit. And while I'm at the law library, I'm researching,
• 1:11:12
  and I have some of the books that are referenced in there, but I'm researching everything as I go along, including the case law that John brings up.
• 1:11:21
  And then also the taxation by misrepresentation.
• 1:11:24
  I've read that thoroughly.
• 1:11:26
  And I and I love the,
• 1:11:29
  Glenn, what you wrote in the beginning,
• 1:11:31
  the Sun Tzu letter. Uh-huh. And
• 1:11:34
  I would, I mean, I would absolutely value
• 1:11:39
  to
• 1:11:41
  to have that information,
• 1:11:43
  to learn that information that you're seeking to make available,
• 1:11:48
  I think it's vital.
• 1:11:49
  And so,
• 1:11:51
  I would appreciate that. Well, is it And then if you could go back to also,
• 1:11:55
  you were
• 1:11:57
  you were explaining,
• 1:11:59
  I'm looking for my notes,
• 1:12:01
  but you were going back into talking about the difference between,
• 1:12:06
  you know, the woman knitting the blanket,
• 1:12:09
  in regards to
• 1:12:12
  profit versus
• 1:12:14
  Unknown: Let
• 1:12:14
  me add something before you launch off into that, Glenn. The Supreme Court has accepted certiorari on the sixteenth amendment case. They'll hear it the next term.
• 1:12:25
  Okay.
• 1:12:27
  On exactly what Nastasha just said on defining
• 1:12:31
  income. I heard Barnes talking about it at the end of this show Sunday.
• 1:12:36
  Okay
• 1:12:40
  Unknown: I'm just looking through my
• 1:12:43
  files here. Okay,
• 1:12:44
  2021.
• 1:12:46
  Unknown: I think she's referring to the difference between profit
• 1:12:50
  versus equal exchange for labor.
• 1:12:53
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:12:54
  Well, to
• 1:12:57
  understand our tax laws today,
• 1:12:59
  you can't go to American law because that's not what our tax law is based upon.
• 1:13:05
  Our tax laws are based upon the,
• 1:13:09
  the procedures used by the
• 1:13:12
  crown or the king of England, queen of England,
• 1:13:16
  from time immemorial to gather their taxes. And that was that was based upon the old
• 1:13:24
  Jewish Shittar,
• 1:13:25
  which is a Roger, you probably talked about that. Oh, we talked about it a bunch.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, so that came
• 1:13:35
  way back in the day, the the Jewish people were not allowed into England.
• 1:13:41
  And then but after a while, the king realized that he had a a need for them because you couldn't charge interest in England,
• 1:13:49
  but the Jewish,
• 1:13:51
  merchants could charge interest. So the the king imported them in there,
• 1:13:56
  and they set up a separate
• 1:13:58
  court. They called it it was the Jewish,
• 1:14:01
  court of the exchequer. They then had a had an English court of the exchequer too. And the exchequer
• 1:14:08
  name came from
• 1:14:09
  a
• 1:14:11
  basically a tablecloth that, you know, they didn't have cars and all that sort of thing way back in the day. They had rode horses.
• 1:14:19
  So the
• 1:14:22
  the
• 1:14:23
  officials of the exchequer,
• 1:14:24
  the king's accounting
• 1:14:26
  house,
• 1:14:27
  would
• 1:14:28
  ride out horses and pack mules and so forth, pack their books and records and see how much land you owed. Because the taxes were based a lot on land at that one point.
• 1:14:40
  And they would hold they would hold court out in the open
• 1:14:43
  or in halls or something like that. And they'd set up their tables and they put a tablecloth over them, you know, and it was it had checkered spots. I think it was red, black and white, but, you know,
• 1:14:57
  so that's where it was called that's why that's why people called it the court of the exchequer because the common people didn't know all the fancy names, but they could see that there was a court being held out here and they had this tablecloth that
• 1:15:11
  was checkered.
• 1:15:13
  And that's how it's got its name. Court of the exchequer.
• 1:15:16
  You think the court the Exchequer means something very high and fanciful. It doesn't mean anything. It just means
• 1:15:22
  the tablecloth
• 1:15:23
  you were identifying.
• 1:15:26
  So that in
• 1:15:29
  1856,
• 1:15:31
  there was a supreme court case called
• 1:15:33
  Murray's lessee versus Hoboken Land and Improvement Company.
• 1:15:37
  And without going into all the details,
• 1:15:39
  this was a guy
• 1:15:41
  who was a
• 1:15:43
  tax collector
• 1:15:45
  And
• 1:15:46
  by the way, some of you followed
• 1:15:48
  that
• 1:15:49
  series on TV called The Chosen about the life of Christ way back when? I haven't.
• 1:15:55
  Oh,
• 1:15:57
  know, it's greatest TV
• 1:16:00
  show I've ever seen in my life. It's about the life of Christ and it's not preachy or anything like that. It's so wonderful. But anyway, the tax collector in there is Matthew. Of course, Matthew was the tax collector in Jesus' time,
• 1:16:13
  Good old Matthew, he's a tax collector.
• 1:16:17
  But
• 1:16:18
  this
• 1:16:21
  exchequer guy
• 1:16:23
  was tax
• 1:16:24
  collector in the Port Of New York,
• 1:16:27
  and
• 1:16:28
  he would collect the taxes coming in
• 1:16:31
  to the
• 1:16:33
  Unknown: country. The excise.
• 1:16:37
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:16:38
  And they used to do what they call farm the taxes.
• 1:16:41
  The the
• 1:16:43
  the the predecessor of the IRS would would estimate how many taxes were gonna come into the Port Of New York over the next year,
• 1:16:51
  and you would bid on that. Maybe they were gonna have a $100,000,000.
• 1:16:54
  So you'd bid
• 1:16:56
  you'd bid,
• 1:16:59
  just like you would auctions land, you know, you'd bid on some land. So you'd bid $90,000,000.
• 1:17:04
  So you'd you'd you'd agree to pay $90,000,000
• 1:17:07
  of that $100,000,000,
• 1:17:09
  and then anything you collected above that $90,000,000 was yours. So they called that farming the tax. Yep.
• 1:17:16
  Just like they would farm a field or something like that, you'd bid on it. Now, don't know that the numbers are accurate, but that's how they did that. They called them that in Egypt too.
• 1:17:25
  Oh, yeah. They did that all
• 1:17:27
  over the Middle East. So anyway,
• 1:17:30
  this guy had gotten behind.
• 1:17:32
  He gypped company out
• 1:17:35
  of the country out of $3,000,000
• 1:17:37
  in taxes. Now remember, this is in
• 1:17:40
  I think it started in 1820.
• 1:17:43
  So they they it got up to the supreme court in 1856,
• 1:17:45
  so that's thirty years later. So imagine what $3,000,000 in 1820 was worth compared to today. What would that be? 300,000,000?
• 1:17:54
  It'd be a lot of money. Probably more than that.
• 1:17:57
  Maybe more than that.
• 1:17:58
  So
• 1:18:01
  they said, you know, they were litigating this case and I'm not going to go into the whole case, you can read it yourself, it's available to anybody on the internet.
• 1:18:11
  But what they said was, we went back, we looked at the constitution and so forth, there's nothing in there about, you know, how these laws are to be these tax laws are being The due process
• 1:18:22
  Unknown: of tax collection. Collection.
• 1:18:24
  Unknown: Yeah. We don't know. You know, certainly,
• 1:18:27
  any any collection
• 1:18:29
  of taxes has to be done,
• 1:18:31
  due pro under due process of law, but what laws are they following? Well, there's nothing in the constitution.
• 1:18:37
  So we looked at due process. And what does due process mean? Due process means
• 1:18:43
  the process that was due at the time
• 1:18:46
  the,
• 1:18:48
  the constitution was ratified
• 1:18:50
  in 1789,
• 1:18:52
  and then 1791,
• 1:18:54
  the bill of rights and so forth.
• 1:18:56
  So they said, so the process is due in taxes
• 1:19:00
  when the government chooses to collect taxes by non judicial remedies, in other words, they're not gonna go into court to collect it, they're gonna do it administratively,
• 1:19:11
  has to be the process that was due in 1789.
• 1:19:14
  Well, what was due in 1789?
• 1:19:16
  Well,
• 1:19:17
  we have to go back and look, look, look, look, and they
• 1:19:21
  cite a number of treatises, which I have read because John had me read them.
• 1:19:28
  And what those treatises say
• 1:19:31
  on taxes,
• 1:19:32
  those treatises were were written, some of them before before the founding of the constitution,
• 1:19:38
  and they described the English process used by the court of the executor to collect their taxes. Well,
• 1:19:44
  getting back to the
• 1:19:46
  the woman knitting the
• 1:19:49
  scarf or the bedspread or whatever she was knitting,
• 1:19:54
  the the king never collected taxes from people making
• 1:19:58
  their livings.
• 1:19:59
  In other words,
• 1:20:01
  a servant or something like that who made so much wages
• 1:20:05
  or whatever from, his master and he got little silver or gold or whatever he got paid in, the the king never taxed those.
• 1:20:13
  The only thing he taxed was profits
• 1:20:16
  or imposts,
• 1:20:18
  you know, imports
• 1:20:20
  coming in and do that sort of thing or businesses. He would tax them and so forth. So
• 1:20:25
  the the point
• 1:20:27
  if you go back to the to
• 1:20:29
  the
• 1:20:31
  our own tax laws,
• 1:20:33
  now now I'm segueing into what
• 1:20:39
  I file.
• 1:20:40
  I file
• 1:20:41
  what I call request for determination of twenty twenty two income tax liability
• 1:20:46
  and for redress of grievance. That's what I title it. And I say, dear chief counsel.
• 1:20:52
  And I have my,
• 1:20:53
  certified number there where I send it to him. I send it to the office of chief counsel. 1111
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  Constitution Avenue Northwest,
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  Washington DC 20224.
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  And and here let me read the first couple of sentences first couple sentences because you'll you'll see how I approach it.
• 1:21:11
  As I understand the requirements for filing a tax return for tax year 2022,
• 1:21:16
  IRC sixty twelve
• 1:21:18
  six zero one two requires a person to file a return if that person has received,
• 1:21:23
  quote, gross income, unquote, equal to or in excess of the exemption amount.
• 1:21:27
  Treasury regulation 1.61
• 1:21:29
  dash one states gross income means all income from whatever source derived.
• 1:21:35
  And listen to these next four words,
• 1:21:37
  unless excluded by law.
• 1:21:40
  Just
• 1:21:43
  so you you you know how my mind works, what's left of it,
• 1:21:47
  Unknown: I would I'd certainly want to know what unless excluded by law meant. They still use that. They still use that. We get it in bluff letters from the Secretary of State occasionally.
• 1:22:00
  Unknown: Okay. So then I go to treasury regulation
• 1:22:03
  section 1.312
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  dash six b
• 1:22:07
  notes that there exist at least some items of, quote, income not taxable by the federal government under the constitution.
• 1:22:15
  Are
• 1:22:17
  your ears perked up yet, ladies and gentlemen?
• 1:22:20
  You mean the constitution prevents the government from taxing certain kinds of income?
• 1:22:26
  Wow.
• 1:22:27
  I don't think they taught you that in your your tax law at
• 1:22:31
  Harvard.
• 1:22:32
  Unknown: Civics class
• 1:22:34
  when they used to have it. Treasury
• 1:22:37
  Unknown: regulation
• 1:22:38
  one point two six five one
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  point two six five dash one d provides,
• 1:22:44
  and I'm not gonna read it because it's a long sentence, but basically what it says, if you've got some of this kind of income that's not taxable and you've got some income that is taxable,
• 1:22:53
  you gotta separate your ex you gotta separate that out and tell us which is aren't taxable and which are taxable.
• 1:23:00
  And then you've gotta allocate your expenses
• 1:23:03
  to
• 1:23:06
  the class of income that is taxable and the class of income that's not taxable.
• 1:23:11
  You've gotta do that.
• 1:23:13
  So when you file a tax return, if you think some of your income is not taxable,
• 1:23:18
  and I think that I think your living wage income is not taxable, you've gotta separate that out from income that is taxable. Maybe you made some profits in the stock, the stock market that is taxable
• 1:23:29
  but your your $20,000
• 1:23:31
  or 50,000 or 150,000 that you made as an employee is not taxable.
• 1:23:37
  Okay? They won't tell you that.
• 1:23:39
  So I go on and say,
• 1:23:42
  you've got to separate that out. So I said, during tax year 2022,
• 1:23:45
  I received the following receipts.
• 1:23:48
  I don't say income
• 1:23:50
  because what would that say? Oh, if it's income, he ought to know what he's got. He's got income and that's taxable.
• 1:23:56
  I said, received the following receipts and it's so much
• 1:24:00
  from social security, so much from book sales. That's all the income I had. By the way, the income I have is under the poverty level enemy.
• 1:24:08
  So then I say,
• 1:24:09
  it appears that IRC 6065
• 1:24:13
  may require that any return required to be made must be executed under penalties of perjury.
• 1:24:19
  I can find no reference in this provision of the Internal Revenue Service within 26 CFR part one. Now I go into 2026
• 1:24:27
  code of federal regulations part one.
• 1:24:31
  Congress passes all kinds of tax laws.
• 1:24:34
  Okay?
• 1:24:36
  But they don't put them into effect. Guess who puts them into effect?
• 1:24:40
  The treasury department.
• 1:24:43
  And they put it into effect by the treasury department can't pass laws, but it passes regulations.
• 1:24:49
  And those are contained
• 1:24:51
  in
• 1:24:52
  a body of books called the code of federal regulations,
• 1:24:56
  CFR,
• 1:24:57
  code of federal regulations.
• 1:24:58
  26 is titled 26. That's the income tax code. So, 26
• 1:25:03
  CFR
• 1:25:04
  is the income tax regulations.
• 1:25:07
  Part one
• 1:25:08
  are the regulations that pertain to income taxes because they got a whole bunch of parts. One, two, three, four, five, three zero one, on and on and on and on. Six zero one, etcetera.
• 1:25:19
  Yeah. So you gotta know all these things to to do this. And that's why I say I've I've hesitated to put this out there because how many people know even what I'm talking about so far? They don't even know what the code of federal regulations is and how it operates.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, so some of your people may because they're
• 1:25:38
  very intelligent, they're educated by your training and some of them do it on their own also.
• 1:25:44
  And so
• 1:25:45
  I continue with my sentence.
• 1:25:48
  So I do not know for certain whether or not this requirement applies
• 1:25:52
  to income a person receives from a class of income exempt
• 1:25:56
  under the constitution from a part one tax.
• 1:25:59
  And then parentheses, by part one tax, I always mean the graduated income tax imposed at IRC section one.
• 1:26:07
  So
• 1:26:08
  I'm packing a lot of information in that
• 1:26:11
  that that the
• 1:26:13
  general counsel, remember I addressed this to the general counsel, the general counsel will understand perfectly what I'm talking about.
• 1:26:22
  And he will also know that I'm I'm a person who
• 1:26:25
  who's read more than the first couple pages of
• 1:26:28
  the income tax code.
• 1:26:30
  So I'm telegraphing to him, look,
• 1:26:33
  I know what you guys are doing.
• 1:26:36
  I've telegraphed that to him without saying a word about it. I didn't say, oh, I'm so bright, I'm so bright, I know everything.
• 1:26:43
  Didn't say that.
• 1:26:45
  But what I did is I conveyed that by using terminology
• 1:26:50
  that they would know very
• 1:26:51
  few
• 1:26:52
  civilians would know. Okay?
• 1:26:55
  So the next sentence
• 1:26:57
  is
• 1:26:58
  taking this the information above into consideration, together with my understanding of the laws and regulations cited,
• 1:27:04
  I firmly believe that I'm not able to file a true, complete, and accurate tax return for the tax year 2022
• 1:27:12
  unless I can include a statement in detail
• 1:27:15
  as to any of the receipts listed above that may not be taxable by the federal government under the constitution.
• 1:27:22
  So you see the problem I've got? And and and that that was my that last part was my my my my my commentary. That was not in the letter.
• 1:27:31
  After investing
• 1:27:33
  a substantial amount of time in trying to come to a correct understanding of the tax laws,
• 1:27:38
  remember, I'm not telling this guy I don't owe taxes.
• 1:27:41
  I'm
• 1:27:42
  not confronting him,
• 1:27:44
  but
• 1:27:45
  I'm leading him
• 1:27:47
  into
• 1:27:48
  Unknown: a blind alley. You're being wise as a serpent and meek as a dove is what you're doing.
• 1:27:54
  Unknown: After investing a substantial amount of time and trying to come to a correct understanding of the tax laws, I have no idea
• 1:28:00
  whether any of the receipts listed above are or are not taxable by the federal government under the constitution.
• 1:28:07
  Because part one of 26 CFR,
• 1:28:10
  that's the income tax part
• 1:28:12
  of the code of federal regulation,
• 1:28:15
  does not have any reference to 26 USC
• 1:28:18
  6,201.
• 1:28:20
  That's the assessment authority.
• 1:28:22
  It appears to me that it does not apply to any 26 CFR part one kind of tax. Let me unpack that.
• 1:28:29
  The assessment authority for the income taxes is at 6,201
• 1:28:34
  of the Internal Revenue Service of the Internal Revenue Code. It says something to the effect
• 1:28:41
  the secretary, meaning the secretary of the treasury,
• 1:28:43
  is hereby
• 1:28:44
  authorized and required to make all inquiries,
• 1:28:50
  determinations,
• 1:28:51
  and assessment
• 1:28:52
  of taxes imposed by this title.
• 1:28:54
  Okay?
• 1:28:55
  That's the authority. Now remember, he's got the assessment authority, but he's also got the
• 1:29:01
  authority
• 1:29:04
  and required to
• 1:29:05
  do all
• 1:29:07
  inquiries
• 1:29:08
  uh-uh
• 1:29:10
  and determinations.
• 1:29:12
  So, if you want to know what what something in the Internal Revenue Code means or you gotta get a determination of what it means, who should you go to to find out? Well, the secretary of the treasury.
• 1:29:24
  Okay.
• 1:29:24
  But interestingly enough,
• 1:29:27
  the regulations that would be put out under sixty two zero one would be
• 1:29:33
  26 CFR
• 1:29:35
  1.6201
• 1:29:37
  dash one.
• 1:29:38
  What that would mean is 26
• 1:29:40
  codefed regulations
• 1:29:42
  for income taxes. And we know it's income
• 1:29:45
  taxes because the one, one point six two zero one,
• 1:29:49
  26
• 1:29:51
  CFR
• 1:29:51
  1.6201.
• 1:29:54
  One says income taxes, sixty two zero one says
• 1:29:58
  assessment authority dash one would be the first regulation.
• 1:30:03
  Well, guess what folks?
• 1:30:05
  There is not a single regulation
• 1:30:10
  in 26 CFR
• 1:30:12
  1.6201.
• 1:30:14
  There is no regulation.
• 1:30:16
  Now, why do you think they don't have regulation for the assessment authority
• 1:30:20
  of income taxes in
• 1:30:24
  the code of federal regulations?
• 1:30:26
  Could it be that there is no authority to assess
• 1:30:30
  income taxes on people as we understand it, 26
• 1:30:35
  CFR?
• 1:30:37
  It appears to me that does not apply to 26 CFR part one kind of tax.
• 1:30:42
  However, 26 USC 6,201
• 1:30:46
  however, under 6,201,
• 1:30:48
  it may be that the secretary or or his delegate
• 1:30:51
  is the only person authorized and required to make determinations
• 1:30:56
  as to whether or not the items above
• 1:30:59
  are or are not taxable by the federal government under the constitution. So what I just told the guy is, look. I don't know whether my income is taxable or nontaxable, but I gotta file a return
• 1:31:10
  that separates out the two,
• 1:31:12
  and I gotta do that in fentanyl perjury. Well, I'm not gonna do that unless I know for sure.
• 1:31:17
  So I'm coming to the guy who has the authority to do that.
• 1:31:20
  So what have I what have I done? I've let him into the just like leaving a cow into a, you know, into the one of those things where you put them on load them onto the truck to take them to the slaughterhouse.
• 1:31:31
  That's what I'm doing. I'm loading them into the truck.
• 1:31:38
  Therefore, this is so
• 1:31:40
  disingenuous of me, let me read it to you. Therefore, because I do not wish to make any mistakes,
• 1:31:48
  poor old innocent me,
• 1:31:50
  therefore,
• 1:31:51
  because I do not wish to make any mistakes with regard to these important matters, I request that the secretary or his authorized delegate make and send to me a determination in writing setting forth what part, if any of the receipts cited above
• 1:32:06
  is taxable
• 1:32:08
  by the federal government and what part, if any, is not taxable by the federal government under the constitution.
• 1:32:15
  I am aware that the government has stated clearly unequivocally
• 1:32:20
  before the US Supreme Court in GM Leasing Corporation versus United States.
• 1:32:26
  I'm gonna give this citation four twenty nine US three thirty eight nineteen seventy seven that all quote standard service procedures unquote are based upon the standards set forth by the Supreme Court in Murray's lessee versus Hoboken Land and Improvement Company, blah blah blah.
• 1:32:42
  Okay? And then I sort of marched them down. I marched them through the course.
• 1:32:50
  I think I think my my my thing my my my
• 1:32:54
  doodad is
• 1:32:56
  Unknown: well, it says ten ten pages. I'll bet you know more than the general counsel knows.
• 1:33:01
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:33:02
  I
• 1:33:03
  know what John taught me and
• 1:33:05
  some,
• 1:33:06
  so let me see what page 10 is.
• 1:33:08
  Oh, no, I didn't think it was 10, but I have the
• 1:33:13
  tracking numbers and where I tracked it because I never get a I used to send them certified mails
• 1:33:21
  with a green card. Yeah.
• 1:33:24
  I don't bother anymore.
• 1:33:25
  Many years you've been doing this?
• 1:33:28
  Since 2012.
• 1:33:30
  Unknown: And how many responses have you gotten back?
• 1:33:33
  Unknown: Zero.
• 1:33:34
  I didn't file for all years, you know. I'm a non filer, Roger.
• 1:33:39
  Unknown: Yeah, me too. Join the crowd.
• 1:33:43
  We got a bunch of them around here.
• 1:33:45
  Unknown: But
• 1:33:48
  so anyway,
• 1:33:50
  what I do is I think I think my my thing is about
• 1:33:53
  five page let me see five let me go to page five and see what's yeah, page five. Sincerely, blah blah blah dated 04/18/2023,
• 1:34:02
  and it puts in parentheses tax day 2023,
• 1:34:05
  close parentheses,
• 1:34:07
  sincerely blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah in my social security numeral. So I I I
• 1:34:13
  marched him through the course
• 1:34:15
  and then asked him, tell me what is not taxable by the federal government and what is taxable by the federal government. Well, you know,
• 1:34:22
  you now get them
• 1:34:23
  to,
• 1:34:24
  put in writing
• 1:34:26
  what is taxable and what is not taxable.
• 1:34:29
  They don't want They're not. Do
• 1:34:31
  Nope.
• 1:34:33
  They're not gonna do that.
• 1:34:34
  Now, if I made $3,000,000
• 1:34:37
  and 2 and a half million of it was from stock
• 1:34:41
  manipulation and this, that, and the other thing, and 500,000
• 1:34:45
  was my salary and so forth, that might be a different story.
• 1:34:48
  But so I don't know how useful this will be to people. Glenn, when you were when you were gambling, would that
• 1:34:55
  Unknown: have been taxable?
• 1:34:57
  Or is that
• 1:34:58
  speculative
• 1:34:59
  gain or what? Do you ever think about that?
• 1:35:05
  Unknown: I think the,
• 1:35:07
  when,
• 1:35:08
  when you when you
• 1:35:10
  make a bunch of money at the casinos, as I recall, and I was going back sometime,
• 1:35:14
  I think they have you file they have They to sign a
• 1:35:18
  Unknown: make you pay the tax when you get your receipts, I believe.
• 1:35:23
  Well, whatever it is, yeah. For those of you that don't know,
• 1:35:27
  I know you wouldn't bring this out, but I will.
• 1:35:30
  Glenn
• 1:35:31
  studied game theory for a year and a half and went out professional
• 1:35:36
  gambling for two years.
• 1:35:38
  And in two years, he was barred from over 40 casinos
• 1:35:42
  from New Jersey throughout The Caribbean.
• 1:35:47
  Unknown: Yeah. I was I was barred from the casinos. I hadn't gambled for ten years
• 1:35:53
  and, because I'd become a Mormon, you know, was trying to be a good person.
• 1:35:57
  And,
• 1:36:00
  I was with a friend of mine,
• 1:36:04
  ten years later up in Carson City,
• 1:36:08
  Nevada,
• 1:36:10
  yeah, Carson City, Nevada. And we went down to a casino to have breakfast because they, you know, they have good food at some of those breakfasts.
• 1:36:17
  Unknown: Sure do.
• 1:36:19
  Unknown: And
• 1:36:20
  then they went up to a table
• 1:36:22
  and I'm not sure whether it's blackjack or crafts table, but anyway, but I didn't
• 1:36:29
  go, but I was watching what they were doing.
• 1:36:33
  I had a red jacket on
• 1:36:35
  and that becomes important
• 1:36:38
  at some point because
• 1:36:39
  I wasn't gambling out because, you know, like I said, was a good Mormon.
• 1:36:47
  But my buddies were gambling.
• 1:36:49
  But one of my friends, the friend who lived in Carson City was sitting back at an empty table because it was morning and Sunday morning and nobody was in there. I don't know if was Sunday morning, maybe it was Saturday morning.
• 1:37:01
  But
• 1:37:02
  he,
• 1:37:04
  one of the the senior officials picked up a phone and obviously
• 1:37:09
  dialed to the the pit that these these people were gambling in.
• 1:37:14
  And they said,
• 1:37:15
  whatever you do, don't let the guy in red in the red jacket put a dollar on the table.
• 1:37:26
  That's after ten years
• 1:37:27
  because you were facial recognition and all that here in the computer.
• 1:37:33
  And my crime damn, I'm not welcome at the IRS and I'm not welcome at the casino.
• 1:37:40
  I don't know. Maybe there's a connection there somewhere, I don't know.
• 1:37:44
  Unknown: But anyway, I think I'm gonna make this available somehow, Roger, and I'll work with you on that. Okay, we can get Paul to put it on the website if you want. And one of the things I've been negligent about, I I just don't wanna put it on the website.
• 1:37:56
  Unknown: I only wanna put it on where people are almost
• 1:38:01
  forced to read the material before they use it because what I'm afraid of is to put it out there, everybody uses more criminal things and then they convict people, then people say, oh, don't use that right,
• 1:38:14
  Unknown: ruined.
• 1:38:15
  Yeah, I understand that.
• 1:38:17
  I'm
• 1:38:18
  very cautious of that here too, by the way.
• 1:38:22
  That's why I preach to these guys: learn the information,
• 1:38:26
  get command of the information.
• 1:38:29
  Your freedom
• 1:38:30
  is in your command of the information and your ability to be a belligerent claimant.
• 1:38:35
  Unknown: Now, let me I can see the time is
• 1:38:39
  whipping on and I want to get this message out to you.
• 1:38:43
  Said that I started out meeting John
• 1:38:46
  because I wanted to be right by
• 1:38:49
  my Mormon faith to be
• 1:38:52
  truthful to
• 1:38:54
  my bishop and my stake president so that I could go into the temple, which, you know, good Mormons want to do.
• 1:39:04
  I
• 1:39:05
  alluded to the fact that I thought that
• 1:39:10
  I hope you'll understand my use of the term Yahweh and Yeshua
• 1:39:14
  led me
• 1:39:15
  into this not for taxes.
• 1:39:18
  It was a means to get me inside the prison
• 1:39:22
  to slow me down.
• 1:39:24
  And John and I
• 1:39:25
  were
• 1:39:27
  in prison together in Petersburg, Virginia for
• 1:39:30
  about a year and a half, and then John
• 1:39:33
  was sent home. He got
• 1:39:35
  six years, I got nine years.
• 1:39:37
  I was the ring I was the baddie.
• 1:39:40
  Unknown: The little spark plug.
• 1:39:42
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:39:44
  anyway,
• 1:39:46
  while I was there, we
• 1:39:48
  would go on Wednesdays,
• 1:39:50
  we'd have a
• 1:39:52
  special time to
• 1:39:55
  go
• 1:39:56
  we had a Mormon
• 1:39:58
  minister come in and talk to us or a Mormon person. I don't know if he's a minister or what he would come in and talk to us and so forth and we would see a movie or a video or we talk or do read
• 1:40:08
  the
• 1:40:09
  book of Mormon or something like that.
• 1:40:12
  We wouldn't read the Bible
• 1:40:14
  because that isn't what
• 1:40:16
  I don't want to say that isn't what Mormons
• 1:40:18
  do because I'm sure they do, but as
• 1:40:21
  a Mormon, I never much read the Bible, but read the Book of Mormon.
• 1:40:25
  So
• 1:40:26
  one of the,
• 1:40:28
  they have magazines there and this is in the chapel inside
• 1:40:32
  the prison. And so I picked up a magazine with something through it and I saw an advertisement for a free book that, you know,
• 1:40:41
  explaining the bible to you.
• 1:40:44
  And
• 1:40:45
  I'm a reader, as you probably know.
• 1:40:48
  And
• 1:40:49
  the amount of reading, good reading material you got inside the prisons, let's say,
• 1:40:54
  is less than adequate.
• 1:40:58
  It's
• 1:40:59
  just terrible.
• 1:41:00
  You you you know, you have all kinds of, you know,
• 1:41:04
  pulp
• 1:41:05
  back paperbacks and stuff like that, but no real good reading material. So I sent away for it. It was called Mystery of the Ages,
• 1:41:12
  a great book.
• 1:41:13
  And I read it and it took about six months to come in. I was actually at another institution
• 1:41:19
  when it finally came in. Was in Duluth, Minnesota, and I read it and it was very, very, very fascinating.
• 1:41:26
  Well, maybe fascinating isn't the right word, it's very illuminating
• 1:41:30
  about
• 1:41:32
  the Bible and made
• 1:41:34
  me more interested in the Bible than I had ever been.
• 1:41:36
  But as
• 1:41:38
  things would go, I put it aside and I got out. I got out in the beginning of twenty eleven
• 1:41:45
  and
• 1:41:49
  didn't think anything about that book.
• 1:41:52
  But in 2019,
• 1:41:55
  I came across it on the internet and I read a lot on
• 1:42:00
  Kindle, your Kindle books, know.
• 1:42:03
  You can get them cheaper and quicker and all that sort of thing. And you can make notes and copy
• 1:42:08
  and paste and do all kinds of things you can't do with a paperback book. But a lot of people like reading paper, you know, having paper in their hands. I'm
• 1:42:19
  on Google. Well,
• 1:42:20
  I read Google too, but
• 1:42:23
  I like the Kindle.
• 1:42:24
  So I saw it on Kindle, I got it. I think it was 99¢. I think there was a way if I had to search down further, got it for free.
• 1:42:33
  But like 99¢ was worth it to have it in that Kindle format so I could copy and make notes
• 1:42:38
  and all that sort of thing. So I read it again,
• 1:42:41
  and it made a profound impact on me. One of the things now I'll try to bring this down to Ned real quick.
• 1:42:48
  One of the things that he said in there is that, you know,
• 1:42:53
  the 10 commandments, there's only one of them that says remember,
• 1:42:56
  and it's the one we always forget. And that's the fourth how does it say the fourth amendment? The fourth commandment
• 1:43:04
  says remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
• 1:43:07
  And, you know, as as God meant it the seventh day, in other words, Saturday, from sundown on Friday to sundown on Sunday.
• 1:43:15
  He says, that's that's a test commandment. He says, if you don't believe anything about the Bible,
• 1:43:21
  just start
• 1:43:23
  keeping the Sabbath day
• 1:43:25
  holy as god asked you to do in the Bible and
• 1:43:29
  test god out to see if he'll do it. If he'll if he'll honor his agreements.
• 1:43:34
  So,
• 1:43:35
  I remember I said I use Kindle. So I went through the Bible and I put in the word Sabbath
• 1:43:41
  to search it out everywhere it appeared in the in the,
• 1:43:46
  Bible in my my my edition of it. And I don't remember exactly how many
• 1:43:51
  times it appears. You can find it out yourself.
• 1:43:55
  But probably a couple 100 or whatever it was.
• 1:43:58
  And I went through and I read every every scripture before and after, you know, the surrounding context
• 1:44:04
  of the word Sabbath
• 1:44:06
  through everywhere it appeared in the Bible so that I could get a feel for
• 1:44:11
  I was doing my legal research, if you will. I wanted to know what did the Sabbath mean? Because
• 1:44:20
  Roger,
• 1:44:21
  I gotta tell you,
• 1:44:22
  I don't trust anybody anymore because there's so much
• 1:44:27
  fraud,
• 1:44:28
  absolute fraud everywhere.
• 1:44:31
  Now, there are some people that I've come to trust as I come to trust you and so forth, but in general, I don't trust anybody
• 1:44:37
  right off the head. I'll be courteous to them, listen,
• 1:44:40
  and absorb
• 1:44:42
  what they have to say and do that.
• 1:44:45
  So I wanted to know for myself what the Sabbath meant,
• 1:44:50
  and I prayed to God that he would tell me.
• 1:44:52
  And what I came to the conclusion was that
• 1:44:57
  this was like a commercial contract.
• 1:44:59
  And I hate to use those words commercial when talking about God, but remember,
• 1:45:04
  God meets people where they are and then leads them to where he wants them to be.
• 1:45:08
  Like, you know, leading me into the prison.
• 1:45:11
  Unknown: Leading me here out of the dregs of the music business. Yep, yep.
• 1:45:17
  Unknown: So
• 1:45:18
  the
• 1:45:19
  commercial contract says, Glenn, you keep the Sabbath for me
• 1:45:23
  and this is what I'll do for you. I thought, well, that's a contract.
• 1:45:30
  So I started keeping it,
• 1:45:34
  and I started praying,
• 1:45:35
  you know, I mean, not like a monk in a monastery, praying twenty four hours a day or something like that, but I would say my morning and evening prayers and
• 1:45:43
  sometimes at noon and that sort of thing.
• 1:45:49
  And trying to
• 1:45:52
  keep it in the spirit with which it was meant. And Roger
• 1:45:57
  what is your middle name, Roger?
• 1:45:59
  Unknown: Stokes.
• 1:46:00
  Unknown: Roger Stokes Sales. I've got to say this in a formal manner.
• 1:46:05
  I have prayed in my life before, not a whole lot, not as much as I should, but I'd prayed.
• 1:46:12
  But I never got answers like I got after I started keeping the Sabbath.
• 1:46:16
  Roger Stokes sails,
• 1:46:19
  as I live and breathe and as I declare with all my soul,
• 1:46:24
  miracles happen in my life. I'll give you one example because it's one that impresses people. It's not necessarily the
• 1:46:32
  most important one, but
• 1:46:33
  we were having a pretty dry weather up here. And
• 1:46:38
  I have hard
• 1:46:41
  doings with a farming operation with about 4,400
• 1:46:45
  acres and so forth. I don't own the 4,400
• 1:46:48
  acres, but
• 1:46:54
  I tried to help him out,
• 1:46:57
  but we were dry and so I prayed about it. I said, Lord,
• 1:47:00
  I said, I'm keeping the Sabbath. You say that you'll keep
• 1:47:04
  you'll reward your people who follow you. I would like you to
• 1:47:09
  do something
• 1:47:11
  to bring rain to this farm
• 1:47:13
  to show people
• 1:47:15
  that
• 1:47:16
  those who keep the Sabbath you reward and you honor and so forth. Because everybody knows that I keep the Sabbath because
• 1:47:23
  they all try to get me to do things on Saturday and say, it's the Sabbath, I'm not doing it. So I don't go out preaching it, but they know.
• 1:47:32
  A few days later,
• 1:47:34
  we had
• 1:47:35
  storm come through and I have one of these apps that I can look on the phone and the computer and so forth. I looked at the app and so forth and those storm clouds were directly over that farm.
• 1:47:48
  Not anywhere else, just that farm.
• 1:47:51
  Wow. And it was stunning to me.
• 1:47:55
  But there are all kinds of other things. I do a lot of legal work in the courts and so forth and a lot of times I'm stumped on things and I will go to my and I will pray and I say, Lord, if it's your will and you want me to
• 1:48:07
  solve this thing, please. And Roger, I go back to the
• 1:48:11
  I forgot to say Stokes.
• 1:48:13
  Roger,
• 1:48:14
  I go back to the computer
• 1:48:16
  and
• 1:48:17
  two or three cases, boom, the case right there on top of it. Well, I don't want to go on I just sound like I'm bragging and so I'm not. I'm trying to give credit to Yahweh and Yeshua.
• 1:48:29
  The whole purpose
• 1:48:30
  that I was led into it was to try to find
• 1:48:34
  truth and that sort of thing.
• 1:48:37
  And
• 1:48:38
  bringing it full circle around,
• 1:48:40
  it's led me to realize that if you want to know the truth about taxes, you want to know the truth about immigration,
• 1:48:47
  want to know the truth about it, you need to know the truth about everything because there's so much fraud.
• 1:48:53
  There's so much fraud.
• 1:48:55
  And
• 1:48:56
  I can tell you,
• 1:48:57
  even the biblical scriptures that you read,
• 1:49:01
  many times
• 1:49:02
  I've come to realize that the the Greek translation for me
• 1:49:07
  of the New Testament, of the gospels,
• 1:49:10
  has a whole bunch of very
• 1:49:12
  subtle fraud in it. To get the truth, I had to go to a website called hebrewgospels.com,
• 1:49:20
  which you can go to hebrewgospels,1word,.com
• 1:49:24
  and get the Hebrew translation
• 1:49:27
  and compare it with the
• 1:49:30
  Greek translation
• 1:49:31
  into English.
• 1:49:33
  I hesitate to even say that, but even our scriptures mislead us if you wanna get back to truth. When
• 1:49:41
  I read the Old Testament, for example,
• 1:49:43
  I read a version called LSB
• 1:49:46
  Legacy Standard Bible. You can get it on the
• 1:49:50
  I use the Blue
• 1:49:53
  Letter Bible app on the app because I read that in Legacy because they use the word Yahweh
• 1:50:00
  instead of Lord, they use the real name of God in that
• 1:50:03
  scriptures. And what's more important or as important,
• 1:50:09
  they have a thing where you can click on the side and you can then see the Hebrew and it'll translate the Hebrew word for word and you can go in there and do that. So I do that so I can find out what God meant and so forth. I feel like I'm going too far too
• 1:50:25
  long on this, so I won't go any further on that. Let me just say, let me add something, Glenn, because this has happened. I've read you the scriptures.
• 1:50:32
  Unknown: Okay. Well, in my experience here, and it's happened more than once,
• 1:50:37
  I particularly think of is our good student Gary, whose work situation changed, he can't join us anymore.
• 1:50:44
  But
• 1:50:45
  they say, I got on my knees and I asked God for truth
• 1:50:51
  and I stumbled on a link of yours.
• 1:50:54
  I've
• 1:50:55
  heard that more than once.
• 1:50:57
  Yeah. Now the other thing that's interesting here that you'll really appreciate,
• 1:51:02
  again, I've heard more than once,
• 1:51:04
  one guy down here particularly
• 1:51:06
  that I get to see occasionally, and he said, you know, Roger, I never opened the cover of a Bible my whole life until I got into this information.
• 1:51:15
  And he said, now I'm a devout Christian.
• 1:51:18
  I read the Bible every day,
• 1:51:21
  and I'm teaching my adult children who I neglected to teach this to when they were growing up, I'm teaching them this.
• 1:51:29
  And that's very moving to me.
• 1:51:31
  Unknown: I should say so.
• 1:51:34
  I should say so. Hey, Roger? Yes.
• 1:51:37
  Unknown: Devin from Michigan. Hey Devin, one of our good students here, Glenn. Yeah, Devin.
• 1:51:42
  Unknown: Hi Devin.
• 1:51:43
  Unknown: I actually
• 1:51:45
  want to second that.
• 1:51:47
  I went to a Catholic school when I was a kid, Didn't really touch it a whole lot after a whole bunch of crap as a teenager.
• 1:51:54
  But
• 1:51:55
  all your studies here, Roger, brought me back. I just wanted to say that real quick.
• 1:52:00
  I'm another
• 1:52:02
  of what you're describing.
• 1:52:04
  Yep. Anyways, I I I received
• 1:52:07
  Unknown: Well, you know, we had a guy and I that's I don't get on here and preach. I teach you politic politics and law and the system, and I guide you to that because that's your decision, not mine.
• 1:52:20
  Same as your freedom, your spiritual connections, your decision.
• 1:52:24
  But everything we study always goes back there. Always.
• 1:52:30
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:52:33
  So that's my
• 1:52:35
  Unknown: I think I've dropped more than a load of hay today, so I'll back off now. Well, me see if anybody's got any questions for you or would like to say something, because there's a lot of people here
• 1:52:44
  that are very beholden to you, Glenn Amort.
• 1:52:47
  Without you, I wouldn't be here.
• 1:52:51
  Unknown: Well, that's Yahweh and Yeshua.
• 1:52:54
  I'm
• 1:52:55
  I'm I'm nothing.
• 1:52:59
  Unknown: Hey, Roger.
• 1:53:00
  Hey, Dave.
• 1:53:02
  Hey. Good morning, everybody. I've got a new student on with me, Rod from,
• 1:53:08
  Oregon,
• 1:53:10
  and he's got some questions.
• 1:53:12
  Unknown: Rod, are you there? Yeah. I'm here. Can you can you hear me? Yep. Yep. Alright.
• 1:53:19
  What's come to my mind,
• 1:53:21
  that I've I've I don't know where I heard this or I've heard it a couple of times or read it a couple of times, but what do you know
• 1:53:29
  about something about, like, there's over 400,000
• 1:53:33
  Unknown: sealed indictments that are soon gonna be, and mean, I don't I don't believe I don't believe a word of it.
• 1:53:40
  Okay. Alright. Now you've been watch you've been watching listen. Don't bite on this Q thing, folks.
• 1:53:47
  That is a psyop, pure and simple, plain as a nose on your face,
• 1:53:52
  if you know the enemy.
• 1:53:57
  So, Rod, as a new person, state of things you know and you can prove. Okay? And you can't do any of that with Q stuff. Yes, was that Mirka?
• 1:54:07
  Unknown: Yeah. I just wanted to say thank you Glenn for jumping on.
• 1:54:13
  I've been looking forward to meeting
• 1:54:15
  you
• 1:54:16
  on here and I'm so glad that you're here with us because you brought Roger to us too.
• 1:54:21
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:54:22
  Unknown: my my great pleasure. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate everything you guys went through and the studies that you went through. It's very inspiring.
• 1:54:34
  Unknown: As many of you have learned at some point, if you get into this, you gotta put your whole life on the back burner.
• 1:54:41
  And that's the beauty of what we do, is you still do that to some extent, but we've got it
• 1:54:47
  whittled down into concepts
• 1:54:50
  that are easily explainable and easily understandable that you can piece together.
• 1:54:57
  Unknown: Yeah, I'd say the tax code
• 1:54:59
  is
• 1:55:00
  a beginning
• 1:55:02
  process and then you expand from there and Roger is a great Roger covers an area
• 1:55:08
  that John and I didn't cover and he does
• 1:55:11
  it brilliantly. I get a lot of people who come to me and tell me that
• 1:55:16
  they're very glad that
• 1:55:17
  he does it. And I
• 1:55:19
  don't take any credit for it because we didn't
• 1:55:22
  He
• 1:55:23
  did this on his own after
• 1:55:25
  the nudge from John.
• 1:55:28
  Unknown: Well, you know, Glenn, I often think, and I've mentioned it on the program here before,
• 1:55:34
  you and John were so focused on the tax issue,
• 1:55:38
  and as I look back,
• 1:55:40
  John, if he wouldn't have been so focused, could have figured the Secretary of State thing out. He's the one that understood the feudal system, okay? Oh yeah. If we would have known
• 1:55:49
  to send those affidavits to the Secretary of State first,
• 1:55:55
  thirty years ago, we may live in a different country today. That's how powerful that is.
• 1:56:00
  Unknown: It could be.
• 1:56:03
  Unknown: But we just didn't know it. Right. You know? Yes. Who who's trying to say something? Samuel?
• 1:56:09
  Unknown: It's it's Samuel.
• 1:56:11
  Yeah. Glenn, I'd I'd like to thank you for coming on, and I hope you grace us with your presence more often.
• 1:56:17
  I wanted to see if you've ever considered
• 1:56:21
  the symbolism of that ex checker
• 1:56:25
  table cover.
• 1:56:26
  You know, one of the most prominent symbols
• 1:56:29
  in the Masonic temples is the checkered floor.
• 1:56:33
  I wonder if if
• 1:56:35
  you and John ever came across any ties in the I've
• 1:56:40
  Unknown: put that together before you just said it, Samuel.
• 1:56:43
  Unknown: No. I know. We we John and I didn't. No. We didn't.
• 1:56:49
  He may have mentioned
• 1:56:50
  the Masons once or twice, but I don't recall him ever delving into it,
• 1:56:55
  to be honest with you.
• 1:56:57
  Unknown: Got a couple of minutes left here, not many. Anybody got anything for Glenn?
• 1:57:02
  Got one. Hello, Glenn.
• 1:57:05
  Unknown: Glenn. So nice to hear from you today.
• 1:57:08
  I wanted to ask, how did you, I know you turned to
• 1:57:13
  John when you were first
• 1:57:15
  to find out the tax information, but how did you know that John
• 1:57:20
  knew about taxes to even ask him about it? I didn't. And I
• 1:57:27
  Unknown: asked him, he came down to a seminar that we were holding on traffic seminars.
• 1:57:32
  I was the,
• 1:57:33
  one of the leaders of the Mormon
• 1:57:37
  men's group in Bullhead City and one of our members was driving
• 1:57:42
  without a driver's license
• 1:57:45
  and getting in trouble with the courts and all that sort of thing. So they said, Glenn, they knew I knew I'd gone to law school. They said, Glenn, would you go over and straighten out so and so? And so I said, sure. So I went over there and he says,
• 1:57:59
  well, I'm not doing traffic and dah dah dah dah dah. So I said, oh, you gotta straighten out and you gotta do this, that, you know, and I gave him the pitch.
• 1:58:07
  And
• 1:58:08
  he says, by the way, do you know anything about taxes?
• 1:58:12
  So
• 1:58:15
  when I said earlier that the Lord led me into this,
• 1:58:20
  I never asked for any of this. I was just doing my duty to
• 1:58:25
  go over them doing. So you can see the hand of the Lord
• 1:58:29
  on heavy on me saying, hey, I want you to go over and help this guy with the traffic laws
• 1:58:35
  and so forth and really then I'm gonna get you in trouble with taxes.
• 1:58:39
  Thank you. Thank you Lord. I
• 1:58:41
  Unknown: gotta remember remember, I never had a tax problem till I met this guy
• 1:58:47
  And then I had one real quick.
• 1:58:51
  Unknown: So that that's that's how I came to know. That's how I came to to
• 1:58:56
  and then then
• 1:58:57
  and then I then I searched around and I and I asked people, I said, you know anybody that knows anything about taxes?
• 1:59:04
  And they said,
• 1:59:06
  no. Do you know anything about traffic law? Because remember it was traffic law that I was doing in the beginning. So
• 1:59:13
  they said, yeah, this guy, John Benson in Aurora
• 1:59:18
  not Illinois, which state is it? Colorado.
• 1:59:22
  So I called up, ring ring ring and the
• 1:59:25
  answer comes up, hello? And I said, is John Benson there?
• 1:59:29
  And the response came back, who wants to know?
• 1:59:33
  Unknown: And why?
• 1:59:35
  Unknown: So I said to myself,
• 1:59:37
  I believe I just found John Benson.
• 1:59:43
  Unknown: You all would have you would have had to have known John to appreciate that story right there.
• 1:59:50
  Who wants to know?
• 1:59:52
  And why?
• 1:59:54
  Glenn,
• 1:59:55
  there's our whistler. I wanna invite you back. I know
• 2:00:00
  we don't get you too often, but if you ever feel motivated or
• 2:00:04
  whatever,
• 2:00:05
  audience loves to hear from you, I love to speak with you and
• 2:00:09
  you're welcome anytime,
• 2:00:11
  Unknown: okay? Well, and here's my answer, say a prayer to the Lord and maybe He'll leave me.
• 2:00:20
  Unknown: Good answer.
• 2:00:23
  Unknown: I believe that the world that we would be living in, the different world would have been if they would have known this information before,
• 2:00:30
  the IRS would not have been able
• 2:00:33
  to lock them up. That's right. And yes, we would be in a completely different world because they would have been able to share the message for fifteen years that they
• 2:00:42
  were taken out of circulation.
• 2:00:44
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:00:45
  And we'll we continue to talk after the show's over here, but we're gonna bump off the server here just in a couple of seconds, Glenn. But I got I got a something important to tell you on that. I'll see y'all tomorrow, Wednesday. Hopefully, no electric failures. Ciao ciao.
• 2:01:03
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 2:01:09
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.