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How to Grow & Protect the Fruit of the Spirit | Grace, Surrender & Spiritual Growth With Ava Pennington · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hey there, welcome back. I want to ask you a question.
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  Have you ever wanted to know more about the fruit of the
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  Spirit or how it operates in you or how you can actually apply it
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  to your life? Well, today I sit with Ava
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  Pennington. She is an author, speaker, Bible
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  teacher, and she is certified in adult Bible studies from Moody
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  Bible Institute. She is also a member of the
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  Christian Authors Network and the Advanced Writers and
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  Speakers Association and has authored so many books,
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  including this one we're going to talk about called Flourish,
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  Grace Centered Practices to Protect and Grow a Fruitful Life
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  in Christ. In this episode, we explore the
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  9 attributes of the fruit of the Spirit as described in Galatians
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  522 through 23 and the practical application that guide us to
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  understand how these qualities reflect God's character and how
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  they can be cultivated in our everyday lives.
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  We also talk about protecting and growing the fruit and the
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  four unique sections of this book that I absolutely love that
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  sets this book apart from others.
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  I love this conversation so much, and I know you will too.
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  So if you're ready, I'm ready. Here's my guest, Ava Pennington.
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  Hi Ava, welcome to Speaks Life. I am so thrilled you are here
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  sharing with us today. Welcome.
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  Well, thank you. I'm thrilled to be here.
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  I'm really looking forward to our conversation.
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  So thank you for having me. Yeah, we're going to be talking
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  about something that's really, I think, vital in our walk with
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  the Lord. We're going to be talking about
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  the nine attributes of the fruit of the Spirit out of Galatians
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  522 through 23. And you had written a book
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  called Flourish, Grace Centered Practices to Protect and Grow a
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  fruitful life in Christ. And I can't wait to talk more
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  about your message. And before we do, I would love
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  for you to share if you have a scripture verse that resonates
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  with you right now and why. Well, actually I do and it
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  resonates with resonates with me, but it also resonates with
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  the topic. And it's Ephesians 610 where
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  Paul writes to the Christians in Ephesus be strong in the Lord
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  and in his mighty power. And he actually uses that
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  sentence to introduce the armor of God.
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  So you you might think, well, that's the armor of God.
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  That's not the fruit of the spirit.
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  But I love that verse because it combines 2 things and it's such
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  a, a good reminder for me because he's telling us be
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  strong. And that's me.
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  That's what I bring. That's the the commitment I'm
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  going to make. But how am I strong in his
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  power? And God is the one who equips me
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  to be strong. And isn't that the tension that
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  we have in the, in the Christian life, that balance of doing our
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  part and yet relying on him for the equipping and the strength
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  to do our part? So I love that, that it's such a
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  short burst, you know, be strong in the in his in the strength of
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  the Lord and his mighty power. And I love that it it
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  encapsulates both sides. Yes.
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  Oh, so good. Yeah.
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  Beautiful. Short, but just so powerful.
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  I love it. Thanks for sharing that.
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  That's encouraging and just a reminder of His power.
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  We have our part and then He does the rest, right?
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  So let's talk about your book and your message.
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  You're guiding us through ways we can understand these
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  qualities that reflect God's character and how to cultivate
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  the fruit of the Spirit in our lives.
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  So what encouraged you to write Flourish?
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  Share your personal faith journey on how this shapes your
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  book. It actually grew out of my own
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  need. I mean, I I asked the question
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  in the book if Christians are promised the fruit of the
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  Spirit. And by the way, I so appreciated
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  that you said that this is about the at the 9 attributes or
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  facets of the fruit singular because so many times people
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  refer to it as fruits, plural, but it is a single fruit from
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  the Holy Spirit that is manifested in nine different
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  ways. And I, I was motivated to study
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  this more because I had to ask myself, if Christians are
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  promised this fruit because we have God's Spirit dwelling in
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  US, why is it I, and I realized in talking to people, so many
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  others, why is it I keep saying, I wish I had more self-control.
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  I wish I had more peace. I wish I had more joy.
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  I wish I had more patience. OK, so where's the disconnect?
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  Why don't I have these things? Why aren't I experiencing them
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  in abundance? If that's what God promised me?
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  And God doesn't lie, right? He promised this.
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  So where is the disconnect? And that's that's really what
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  got me started on the subject. I love it.
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  I know. I think it's a common one that
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  we just kind of push aside. We don't quite think about it or
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  we're not intentional about it. We don't totally understand that
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  it is in US and it's accessible anytime and so and that we can
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  mature it. And so that's why we're here.
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  We're going to talk about it and because you've done your
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  research on it, I'm going to have you share all about it.
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  And I love that you emphasized in your book about protecting
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  and growing the fruit of the spirit.
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  I've heard growing the fruit of the spirit, but I haven't heard
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  about protecting. So I love that you share that.
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  This is a, a key practice that defends against any spiritual
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  attacks. So could you expand more on
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  that? Sure, I'm there are a lot of
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  books out there about the fruit of the Spirit and some really
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  great references and resources, but I haven't found a lot that
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  helps me guard against the enemy's attacks in my life.
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  The temptations and the obstacles and the struggles that
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  actually work against my nurturing and cultivating the
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  fruit that God has planted in me by his Holy Spirit.
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  And so when we talk about protecting that fruit, it's are
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  we aware of how the enemy and the world?
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  And this is not just about the devil, but it's, it's how does
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  the world we live in work against the fruit that God wants
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  to grow in US? And the more that we can be
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  aware, Paul talks about being aware of the schemes of the
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  devil to understand so that we can be on guard.
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  And so that was part of why I wanted to look at not just
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  growing that fruit, but understanding what is happening
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  in our life, in the world around us that works against growing
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  that fruit. Yeah, So what works against
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  growing that fruit? Like what shared like an
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  example? OK, so for each of the
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  manifestations of fruit, you know, there are different kinds
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  of temptations. You know, we think about the
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  classic story of of Peter coming out of the boat and walking on
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  water and what happens? He takes his eyes off Jesus.
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  He looks at the wind, in the at the waves and he starts to sink.
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  So, you know, being distracted is, you know, being tempted to
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  distract and being tempted to be so focused on our circumstances
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  that they completely cloud out or or block our view of the Lord
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  and what he is trying to do. We often I think the biggest
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  obstacle is that works against us is our Western culture that
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  does not view the word surrender positively.
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  So you know, we are we're raised that you know, we don't
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  surrender. You know, we're, we're tough,
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  we're going to be independent and, and yet surrenders the
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  heart of it. You know, the Holy Spirit is
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  planting this fruit. How is it nurtured and
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  cultivated? It's nurtured and cultivated
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  through surrender to him. And that's where and, and we do
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  talk about the things that we can do to grow the fruit.
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  Each chapter is divided into 4 sections.
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  So there's the first section is how does the enemy work against
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  our fruit? The second section is how does
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  God view that particular facet of fruit?
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  Because we need to understand his perspective.
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  And I don't know about you, but often my perspective is not the
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  same as God's and I need that reminder.
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  And then once we know how the enemies at work and how God
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  views it, how do we then recover and grow that particular facet
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  of fruit? How do we nurture it?
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  How do we cultivate it? And then finally, how do we
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  share it? Because it's never meant just
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  for us. And so we want to share the
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  fruit. So looking at those 4
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  perspectives of each of the facets or attributes of the
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  fruit of the Spirit, it helps us be aware of what works against
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  our particular in our particular situation, what works against us
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  and how does God want us to respond?
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  And then how do we respond? What are we going to do now?
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  What's our part? And that kind of takes me back
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  to Ephesians 610, right? We're to be strong, but we do it
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  in his might, in his strength. And it's the same with the
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  fruit. This isn't about.
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  And I've done this so many times in my life, you know, I'm going
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  to be more patient if it kills me or I'm going to be, you know,
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  I'm going to, I'm going to exhibit self-control.
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  If this kills me, I'm going to try harder, work smarter, do
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  better. And then of course, 5 minutes
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  later I fail and I fall flat on my face.
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  If this is the fruit of the spirit is not about trying
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  harder, working smarter, doing better, The fruit of the spirit
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  is surrendering to the Spirit. He's the one who is the source
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  of this fruit. Yeah.
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  And in that surrender, then purpose that I am going to make
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  choices that are consistent with that surrender, which is
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  actually kind of sounds contradictory, but it's both.
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  It's my purposing to to choose to live a certain way, but not
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  in my own strength. That's so good.
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  And how is it more easy to be led by the Holy Spirit by
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  filling ourselves with God's word.
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  It's you know, we're going to be walking in the flesh and doing
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  things our way when we're not filling ourselves with God's
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  word. So first we got to feed
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  ourselves his word and that in return.
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  Then we know and that's that's the leading of the Holy Spirit
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  becomes easier and easier as we let his words take root in our
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  heart. So, so good.
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  I love all that you said on that.
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  OK. How would you define a fruitful
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  life in Christ? What role does grace play in
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  cultivating fruitfulness as well?
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  For me, the best description of a fruitful life would be how
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  much am I resembling the Savior? How much am I looking like
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  Jesus? Because these are his
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  attributes, right? These are God's attributes.
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  And his word tells us that his goal is to conform us to the
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  image of Christ, to make us more like Christ.
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  So if you ask me, what does a fruitful life look like?
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  I would say it looks like Jesus and am I day by day, week by
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  week, month by month, year by year?
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  Am I looking more like him? Am I moving in that direction
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  and looking at the 9 facets or the 9 attributes of the fruit?
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  Those are good ways to, for lack of a better word, measure that
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  to be able to say, am I growing in joy?
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  Am I growing in love? Am I growing in being being able
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  to exhibit patience or kindness or self-control?
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  You know, and I think for me it boils down to what do I want in
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  that moment? When I'm in a situation that is
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  causing me to be impatient or less joyful or more self focused
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  and less kind, What is it that I want in that moment?
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  Do I want what I want or do I want to be like Christ?
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  And that's going to be the determining factor in how I
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  respond. I can say I want to be more
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  patient, but in that moment, do I want that or do I want my own
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  way more? Do I want to protect my rights
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  more? You know, that I feel maybe that
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  person is violated or. And so it's always asking that
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  question, which do I want more? And if I want to be more like
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  Christ, that's the moment where I have to be willing to
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  surrender. Yeah.
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  And it's not easy. I mean, well, maybe it's easy
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  for some people. It's not easy for me.
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  But I found that the more I surrender, the easier it gets
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  because I'm now forming that habit or that perspective that
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  values surrender to the Holy Spirit, that in that moment
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  values looking more like Christ than wanting my own way.
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  And believe me, I'm not perfect in that process at all.
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  But it's it, it is a process and it's a way we.
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  Grow Yeah, I, I, I think it was key what you said about your
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  response. I mean, that's what it's all
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  about. You know how many times our knee
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  jerk reaction wants to get impatient or, you know, and and
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  not distribute the fruit of the spirit and and really, if we
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  just stop and recognize how do we want to respond?
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  Guarantee it, it's going to come out in a better way than if you
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  didn't stop and pause and think about that.
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  So it's not being, you know, reactive, I guess the word.
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  It's about being responding, you know, in a way that you were
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  saying Christ like, and you know, what would Jesus be
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  displaying in this moment? And you know, and just knowing
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  that all the, the fruit of the Spirit is already in us.
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  So we're just, we're just yielding to it, like you're
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  saying, surrendering to what's already in place in us that God
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  designed us with when we became believers, when we accepted him
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  as Jesus, as our Savior, Holy Spirit came in, fruit of the
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  Spirit, our inheritance, everything came in and, and
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  dwelled in us. So, you know, I love that you
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  said just recognizing that and and then living it out and
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  having the actions. And and that's important too,
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  because your actions are showing onto others Christ like
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  behavior, which then in return you're being a witness for him,
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  being a light, being the soul of the earth so that they can know
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  him. Yeah, there's so many different
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  facets and different actions that the fruit of the spirit
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  does in our lives. I absolutely love it.
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  So you had mentioned in your book about recognizing and
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  recovering from what the thief has stolen, which we know the
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  enemy is that guy there. Can you collaborate on more on
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  how to identify those losses and reclaim them with biblical
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  principles? I thought this was so good that
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  you touched on this in this. Book.
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  Yeah. And let me clarify.
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  I mean, we, we talk about the enemy's stealing offering.
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  I mean, often I, I think there are books out there that if I
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  remember correctly, one title was, you know, identifying Joyce
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  Steelers. And we need to remember that the
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  enemy can't steal what the Holy Spirit has placed in us.
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  That's right. But it feels like he's stolen
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  them. It feels like our joy has been
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  stolen or our patience has been stolen, and we use those terms.
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  I've heard Christians use those terms.
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  We do need to understand that the enemy can't override what
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  the Holy Spirit plants in us. That's right.
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  But by the same token, he can work to stunt their growth.
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  He can throw up obstacles so that we're not growing the way
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  we should be or the way God is calling us to grow.
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  So that's a struggle. That's really a struggle for us.
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  And I think part of the problem is that often, hate to say it
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  and, and, and I'm guilty of it often the enemy doesn't have to
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  work very hard to steal or stunt the growth.
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  Often I am, if I'm honest. I am cooperating so well with
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  the enemy by giving into temptation, by being distracted,
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  by filling my life with things that I shouldn't have, or by
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  focusing less on spending time with with the Lord or spending
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  time in His Word. The enemy doesn't have to work
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  very hard because I'm cooperating with Him.
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  I'm making it easy to have that fruit stunted and, and to not
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  grow. So, you know, it's not a matter
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  of, oh, you know, comedian years ago used to say the devil made
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  me do it. You know, the, the devil made me
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  do it. Not really.
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  I mean, the devil's always at work in the world.
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  But often I could be my own worst enemy by the choices I
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  make. Yeah.
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  And by what I value, do I value spending time in God's Word?
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  You said it a few minutes ago. You talked about the needing to
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  spend time in God's word because that's where we're going to get
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  the information and the strength and the conviction and the, the,
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  the joy of growing in Christ. So I, I could blame the devil.
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  And how many times do we do that?
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  We do blame the enemy. Or we, we like to feel sorry for
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  ourselves. And what do we say?
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  Well, I'm only human and what do you expect?
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  And I'm not perfect. And Jesus was God and he was,
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  you know, when he walked the earth that he was, he wasn't
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  just a man, He was the Son of God.
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  But I really think that's a cop out because ultimately I am
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  responsible for the choices I make.
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  And again, it goes back to that Ephesians 610, you know, be
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  strong. I have a choice, but yes, I am
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  just human, but I can be strong in in the power of the Lord, in
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  the strength of his might. He doesn't expect me to do this
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  on my own. And that's where the grace comes
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  in. And I'm so grateful for God's
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  grace. I'm so grateful to know that he
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  doesn't just throw me out there in the deep end of the pool
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  without a life preserver and without swimming lessons.
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  And with that, but he's, he's saying, I'm here with you.
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  I'm going to equip you. My spirit dwells within you.
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  My spirit is going to nurture these fruit in you.
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  Yeah, Will, who will you cooperate with?
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  Will you be cooperating with my spirit?
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  Or you just going to make it easy to be distracted and
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  tempted and focus on on things that don't have eternal value?
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  So it's a series. It's a, for me anyway, it's a
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  constant series of choices, but it's not all dependent just on
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  me. And I know that sounds like a
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  contradiction, but that's the way it is.
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  Yeah, I mean, I can't help but think of the verse when Jesus
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  ascended and said, I'm going to leave you the Helper, right,
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  Holy Spirit, you can do greater things than here.
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  You know, the stuff here on the earth that's happening right
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  now. So it's like you can do even
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  greater things now with the Holy Spirit.
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  So what's crazy is when you're talking, I just had this
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  conversation with my husband the other day about how much we give
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  the enemy credit, like how much we give him power, which he
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  really does not, and how much we blame the devil for things.
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  And really, it comes down to what you were just saying about
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  distractions. What are we seeing?
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  What are we hearing? You know, the enemy can just
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  suggest things because he can't read our minds, but he could see
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  what we do in action. But he's not everywhere all the
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  time like God is, right? So it's like if we're, you know,
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  distracted and we're seeing something in our and we're not
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  protecting our eye gates or even our ears, then we're going to
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  start these thoughts, you know, whether it's something we saw
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  that triggered fear in US, right?
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  And like I was telling my husband, you know, you cannot
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  prevent birds from flying over your head, but you can prevent a
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  bird from obviously making a nest in your, in your hair,
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  right? So it's like, are you gonna
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  allow fear the dwelling you or make a home, give it a welcome
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  mat or whatever it is that that triggered, you know, whatever
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  temptation or whatever it was, or are you going to, you know,
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  capture that thought like the verse says, submit it to the
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  word of God. Anything that, you know, cast
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  down all imaginations that go against the knowledge of God,
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  right? And and and captivate, capture
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  that thought and submit it to the word of God.
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  So that's preventing anything to take root in us.
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  But like you said, if we made a choice beforehand and did not
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  choose, you know, to hear that, to see that, to take action in
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  something that wasn't good for us, then, you know, the enemy
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  wouldn't get like, you know, have a little playground, right?
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  You wouldn't have something to work with, right?
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  And so I, I love that you mentioned that because we were
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  just talking about that the other night.
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  What you just shared reminded me of the song that we teach kids
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  and, and, or they used to teach kids in Sunday schools.
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  Be careful little eyes, what you see.
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  And then there's a verse about being careful what you hear and
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  be careful where you go because we often hear and, and watch
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  things that are just not good for us.
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  And we'll open the door to wrong choices later.
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  And you know, we can blame the enemy for that or and we can be
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  honest and say that's on me. I chose in that moment to do
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  something, say something, hear something, go somewhere that I
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  have no business doing. Do you find it amazing how the
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  1st is love and how that's just the foundation of them?
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  Absolutely. I mean, if you think about it,
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  how do we show love? OK, Love is it's a relational
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  thing. So how do I show that in my
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  relationships? I show it with joy and peace and
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  kindness and goodness and being faithful and being gentle.
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  And, you know, all of these, these facets of the fruit are
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  actually just ways we display love.
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  Yeah. You know, think of Paul's, the
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  famous love chapter in Corinthians.
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  You know, he talks about love and then what does he do?
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  He goes on to describe it. Love is, you know, patient and
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  gentle and kind and, you know, all of these things.
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  So yes, I, I think even with the fruit of the Spirit, he says the
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  first display or facet is love. But then what does that look
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  like? Yeah, and then they all follow.
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  I love that. OK.
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  I love concluding with a take away something that the listener
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  can't ponder on or take action in.
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  I would say that the biggest take away for me comes back to
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  surrender, comes back to saying asking myself in the moment, in
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  the moment, what do I want more in that moment, whatever the
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  situation is to be able to ask what do I want more in this
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  moment? Do I want to look more like my
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  savior or do I want my way? And if we can learn to stop in
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  that split second and ask that, I think we'll see a huge change
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  in the way we in the way we grow and in the level of our growth.
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  Yeah, Amen. So good.
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  Well, thanks, Ava, for coming on here and sharing your wisdom
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  with us. And where can people find your
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  book or get connected with you? Thank you so much for having me
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  and you can find me more information about me in the book
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  on my website. My website is simply my name
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  avapennington.com. The book is available.
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  What's the cliche? Wherever books are sold.
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  So yeah. Well, good for you.
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  So grateful for you to say yes to this message and write this
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  book. And it was a joy to have you,
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  Ava. Thank you.
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  Well, thank you. It was a joy to be here with
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