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Extra Innings Episode 10- Chris Sewell, Jeremy the Texas Snowman, (and Theo) · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Welcome everybody, and thank you to Sports Card Clubhouse for
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  hosting our little, our question and answer from our viewers.
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  We, we do a, we, we do a weekly podcast collector investor
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  podcast and we ran way over time this past time because there was
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  a lot of stuff in the news and we didn't get to our, our weekly
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  session where we talk about, we answer questions from the
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  viewers. So we're going to do that here
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  today. For anyone who doesn't know us,
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  I'm Chris and that is Jeremy the Texas Snowman.
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  And what up? Yeah, yeah.
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  Thank you again to the sports card network here.
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  Yeah. Thank you guys.
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  Appreciate y'all very much. I'm, I'm probably the smartest
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  one in the group here, but he he's smart too.
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  So we got some fun answers for you on some really fun
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  questions, right Chris? Yeah.
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  Some of that, some of what he just said is true other, but
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  let's go ahead and check out some of these questions.
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  All right, here we go man, here we go.
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  This is from dog ate my card. I love that name.
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  It is awesome. What up buddy?
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  Hi guys, another great podcast. I've been a long time listener
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  and remember when you all started this podcast those many
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  months ago, you were so young, Brad eyed and bushy tailed with
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  that boyish charm of entering a bright new world.
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  It's been great listening to you all on my drive to work on
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  Wednesday. And thank you for fixing the
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  intro. My question for you this week,
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  do you think that unopened wax, vintage junk wax, etcetera will
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  be the next bubble in the hobby? I would suggest that it may be
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  the Case, No pun intended, as modern boxes have started to
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  become out of reach for collectors and there's still is
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  so many of us who still like to open packs.
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  I've been watching prices on open wax boxes on the rise
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  lately and it got me to thinking, what do you think?
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  Yeah, I think, you know, there's there's more and more wax that's
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  going away. And I think that it certainly is
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  going to. I could.
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  I could definitely see it going up on certain wax and going way
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  down and to the bubble point on other wax that just is
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  absolutely ridiculously high now.
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  So I, I think it depends on what it is.
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  If it's, if it's older wax and harder to find wax, I think it's
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  going to go up more. And if it's the modern stuff, I
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  think hopefully at some point, you know, people will start to
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  realize, Oh my gosh, I spent 2 grand and pulled 50 bucks out of
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  this thing and that happened more than once.
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  Maybe I should pay less for these boxes or not do that
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  again. Yeah, no, I mean, I, I echo what
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  you just said I would. I wouldn't use the term bubble.
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  Like I don't think, I don't think prices are just gonna
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  collapse one day and and half overnight.
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  I think it'll be as down, I think in the the the wildly over
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  priced, you know, ultra modern stuff.
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  I would not buy that as investments, if that's what
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  you're asking. I mean, most years, most years
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  do not produce a notable, you know, generational talent
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  rookie. Yeah.
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  So, you know, most have some some notable names, but not like
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  big. So I wouldn't I wouldn't invest
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  in for that reason. I would expect if you were to
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  buy a 2000, you know, a box today for $1000, I would expect
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  it to be worth much, much less three years from now.
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  But unless you just happen to hit the right, you know, product
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  that has that one thing that everybody wants, but most of it
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  will probably go down ultra modern.
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  I'm talking about ultra modern, I think.
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  I think older wax is generally proven to be a pretty, pretty
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  good sort of long term, you know that behold.
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  So there's a big difference between the ultra modern stuff,
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  which I think is what the question is sort of referring
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  to. Yeah, like 22000 football boxes
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  that good investment there, right 98, same thing you.
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  Know with Manning but. Yeah, good point.
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  I I agree. Yeah, All right, thanks.
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  Dog ate my card. Almost at homework.
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  At Brian Steller, 7146 What's? Up Brian Steler.
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  Brian Steler. Oh sorry Brian Steler.
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  My bad. Brian Steler 7146.
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  All right, what part of the hobby has grown?
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  The high end? The low end?
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  Are people just chasing rarity or numbered stuff with them?
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  Overprinting again? Will base rookies and 1st
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  Bowman's be the next junk wax with all the different colors
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  and parallels or will they have value with so many people
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  entering the hobby? I guess that's going to depend
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  on if they stay or leave the hobby.
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  What are what are your thoughts, brothers?
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  OK, well, a lot, a lot here. What part of the hobby has
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  grown? I mean all of it.
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  Like it's not the high end stuff is taken off, low end stuff is
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  taken off. When you go to card shows and go
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  to dollar and look at dollar boxes, there's way more people
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  thumbing through dollar boxes today than there was 5-10 years
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  ago. So a lot of the hobby has grown.
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  And you see this with all metrics, you know, every every
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  card show is breaking records, eBay is breaking records every
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  month with their sales. PSA is, you know, grading more
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  cards than ever every single month.
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  All the metrics point to everything's growing, whether
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  that's good or bad or sustainable.
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  I'm not speaking to that. I'm just saying that's what's
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  that's what's clearly happening for your next sort of question,
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  will Bass rookies and 1st Bowman's be the next junk wax?
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  I mean, it's hard to say like generally what's happened, what
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  happens over the long term. And if you're talking what I'm
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  saying, I'm saying five years or more, is that a player's best of
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  the best of the best stuff does really, really well and most of
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  everything else kind of trickles down.
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  So what will be defined as the best of the best of the best for
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  any individual player? I don't know.
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  But that's sort of generally what happens long term with with
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  modern stuff. Agreed.
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  Yep. They they they're gonna, they're
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  gonna make a lot more cards. There's only they're not gonna
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  make any more rookie cards, though.
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  Yeah, that's what I always say. So if I'm gonna invest in a
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  player, Downtown's is a great example.
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  Kaboom's is a great example. Alter Egos is a great example.
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  Those are really hot products. But will they be in two years?
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  Will there be a new thing that's out and those are not as
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  desirable anymore or not as sought after anymore and
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  therefore go down? Don't know.
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  But the rookie card's still a rookie card no matter what they
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  come out with afterwards. So you know it.
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  It depends on what it is. It depends on a bunch of
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  factors. But do I think, you know, Chris
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  and I joke around all the time with all the variations coming
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  out, I'm like, Chris, do you think they're going to come out
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  with the pumpkin swirly swirl, Price kin, you know, pumpkin
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  spice kins swirl, whatever. You know, who knows what they're
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  going? To come out with Neo Neo Neo
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  coined the Disco swirly ball which is my favorite.
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  Disco swirly ball. I like that exactly.
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  Who knows what they're going to come out with, man, But yeah, so
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  are they making way too much? Yeah, man.
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  I mean, half. They're making so many cards,
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  dude. Like it's insanity how many
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  cards they are making. So yeah, is it the 80s, nineties
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  again? Absolutely.
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  For the ultra modern stuff, the the low end stuff for so much of
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  it. Yeah, it is.
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  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we'll pull up the question
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  again because there was like a third party even.
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  I guess it's depend what are your well, parallels will have
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  value. I guess it depends on if they
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  stay or leave the hobby. That's true.
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  The hobby, as I mentioned the beginning, the hobby's grown.
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  So there's way more people in the hobby today than 510 years
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  ago. I'm I'm sure of that.
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  That's sustainable. I have no idea.
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  And that's that that will ultimately be the answer to your
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  question. If this growth is sustainable or
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  even kind of sustainable, then yeah, the values could kind of
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  hold, you know, better than you would think.
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  But if, if people start to leave like they did in say the mid 90s
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  or, or in 2022 or 2021, sort of a lot of people jumped in and
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  jumped out. If we see that sort of thing,
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  yeah, you could see prices fall pretty, pretty quick.
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  Yeah, good point. Supply and demand, if there's
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  enough people to keep buying the mass amounts of product to come
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  out. So yeah, I mean, Fanatics has
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  invested a lot of money to get people into the hobby.
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  I don't know if it will, how long it will last, but sorry,
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  that's my, that's me, the important people dinging me,
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  apparently. They must need coffee.
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  Chris, turn your damn rigor off. You said it was off seawall.
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  You know I'm important. OK, I put it.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  All right. What's the next question?
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  All right. Thank you, Brian Steeler for the
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  question. Appreciate you, buddy.
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  On to the next. You ready, Chris?
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  Yep, I'm ready. Junk Wax Rookie Go ahead and
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  talk a little bit about Junk Wax Rookie.
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  Here is a viewer of ours and he sends us like 5 lightning round
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  questions to go through every week.
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  And it's great, great, great stuff to talk about.
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  So it's, it's awesome. Yeah.
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  So these, these we answer quick, five different questions and we
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  try to answer them pretty quick each.
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  Great work. Again, you guys rock Lightning
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  Round 60 seconds or less #1 most iconic #1 cards of a set.
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  So it's asking what the number one card of a set is.
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  So we pick a set and say the number one.
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  No, I think it means card number one in a set like the 52 Andy
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  Paphco is #1. Oh, I see.
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  Is that that's how I interpret the question?
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  Immediate thought. Let me think, well, the 52
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  Paphco is kind of a good one. 89 Upper Deck Griffey. 89 upper
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  deck Griffe is a good one. I was going to say 73 tops with
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  Ruth Mayer, Ruth Aaron and Maze. Like that one?
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  That's a good 154, tops Ted Williams.
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  That's a good one. 54 Ted Williams is a good 53 Two.
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  Pass code. 53 Jackie Robinson There's a lot of good ones.
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  Ah yeah, 53 Robinson. Oh, there's so many, but I'd say
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  the most iconic that I can think of right now would probably be
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  the 89 upper. Deck.
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  Yeah, that's probably the winner. #2.
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  Quick thoughts on Providence for a card and what it means for
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  value story initial thoughts. Yeah, it it depends on what the
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  provenance is right? Like you know, for example, the
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  Black swamp find was epic. I mean crazy high grade pre war
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  cards do would I pay more because it was from the Black
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  Swamp swamp find? No, it just identifies that
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  that's defined it came from. But would I pay more if it was a
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  card from for for Thor's sake, we'll use Clemente.
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  That Clemente actually PC this card.
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  Yeah, I I would pay more for that because one of my favorite
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  players touched this card. That's awesome.
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  You know what I mean? So it depends on the provenance,
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  right? Yeah, yeah, it probably wouldn't
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  change much for me. But yeah, of course, if if a
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  card has a cool story behind it, I think it adds it adds value.
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  Yeah, so if Cal Ripken Junior owned this card personally, you
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  wouldn't pay a little more for it.
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  I would, I would. You would OK.
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  Cool. I think, I think generally, like
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  you said, probably most of the time I wouldn't care like the
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  Black Swamp, fine. But if it was a specific card
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  that where the story specifically mattered to me,
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  yeah, sure, I'll pay a premium for that.
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  If I owned it, you would absolutely.
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  Pay, I'd pay, I'd pay last year. And you're right.
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  Thanks bro, wrong direction there all right #3 Are rainbow
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  chases the news set collecting for some people they are not
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  for? Me Well, no, they're not new
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  people that rainbow collecting has been a that's a been a lot.
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  Around long time. Yeah, it's been around 10, you
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  know, many, many years. I actually think it's kind of
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  cool. Like I get people complain about
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  the, the disco swirly balls and, and how many ridiculous
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  parallels there are. And there are, they're
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  ridiculous. But it is kind of cool thing to
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  collect. Like, and it, it is fun seeing a
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  rainbow like somebody's got, you know, 40 different parallels of
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  the same card. It's kind of cool.
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  It's not something I collect, but I I respect it when I see
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  it. Yeah, it's getting harder to do
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  that with a lot of stuff. There's so much.
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  So I, I, I've had a few, I've had a few people tell me yeah,
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  out My goal was to collect every single card from X player and
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  then they get into it or like, dude, there's.
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  No, yeah, that's not happening. Can't do it, man.
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  All right #4 do you do you foresee a rise in Star company
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  baseball? I think you meant basketball
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  cards rising. Oh, no, I did mean baseball.
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  OK, so do you see a rise in Star company baseball cards rising
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  like the basketball cards did? Example, Griffey star rookies
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  from 88 to 89. OK.
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  I personally do not, no. But all right, next one I.
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  Don't think so. That was bad.
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  No, yeah, not on the other. I, I it's just not an exciting
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  set. The reason Star basketball has
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  so much appeal is 'cause there was no other card those years
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  for basketball. So that and so it's the, it's
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  the, you know, it's the first, it's star.
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  There was there was 10 other companies that were all better.
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  Well, not only that, there was only what 3000 sets made, is
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  that right? For for the.
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  Basketball. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, I don't know. They were limited for sure.
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  And so it's just it's just a there's there's nothing else to
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  do. If you want the first car to
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  Jordan, you got to do the star. But in baseball, I mean,
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  Griffey's got way better, way cooler looking rookies, lots of
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  stars. I don't I don't see a reason for
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  star to catch up now. It could could could be wrong,
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  but that would be my guess. I don't know how many * you know
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  Griffey's they made, but I'm assuming it was a tremendous
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  amount more than the basketball basketball was.
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  Literally like I think 3 was more popular and it was years
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  later when the hobby was hotter. So yeah, there's probably a lot
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  more star baseball, you're right.
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  Yep, Yep, way more. All right.
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  So yeah, Nope, I I do not see that at all, but who knows,
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  Could happen. What's a?
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  Nation idea from 90s inserts you would like to bring back.
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  Me some Duncan, go nuts. Well, that that's just a you
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  mean just like a one off one off brand?
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  I wish they would do more sick, just natural refractors, not all
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  the pumpkin swirly discos, NUM NUM spice, whatever they make,
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  you know what I mean? NUM NUM spice, that's a new one.
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  That's a new one. But I wish they would just do
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  straight beautiful refractors and or, or atomic refractors and
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  kind of go back to the go back to what got them started in it
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  and just really cool design work like die cuts or different
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  things like that, you know, yeah, one of my favorite cards
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  is like Kobe Bowman's best atomic refractor die cut.
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  That's just an awesome, amazing looking card.
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  So is the one that's not die cut.
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  It's just cool looking. Yeah, I'm trying to think.
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  I mean, the 90s is the is the birth of so many new ideas in
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  cards. And I'm trying to think of like
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  one that hasn't stuck around really.
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  They're they're all, they're all sort of sort of still around.
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  Yeah. On the very basic level,
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  autographs, jerseys, one O 1 serial numbering, inserts,
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  parallels, refractors, these all started in the 90s and they're
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  all still around. Yeah.
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  I mean, maybe die cuts, die cuts.
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  They they make die cuts today, but they were, they were a lot
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  more clever with them back then, although they didn't, I don't
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  know. Nothing jumps out at me as like
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  something from the 90s that was innovative that no longer is
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  around. I I think most of it stuck
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  around. Need more Dunkin?
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  Dunkin, Go nuts. Dunkin, go nuts.
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  Yeah, All right guys, because we're on their channel, they
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  love talking about snacks. So there's been a big
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  controversy. Are you guys pro circus peanuts
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  or anti circus peanuts as the food goes?
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  I don't know what circus peanuts are.
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  Is that a? They're like, no, it's circus.
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  They're like orange. I think they're orange.
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  You bite it. It's like a candy in the form of
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  a peanut. Looks like yeah.
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  It sounds horrible and I'm I'm against it.
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  I I actually really enjoy circus peanuts but but they get hard
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  very fast so you got to eat them fresh or not let them sit.
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  Out, yeah, they can. They can get.
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  They can get stale like easily. They can get rock hard, dude,
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  but as long as you eat them and they're they're soft and good,
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  They're pretty tasty. I like them, yeah.
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  Candy's overrated. I'd rather agree.
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  Cookie. Yeah, or ice cream ice.
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  Cream for sure. Yeah, I only eat vegetables and
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  proteins. Vegetables.
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  I take vegetables over candy. Well, you know, I, I don't know
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  man, vegetables tough, because I don't want to eat my food's
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  food, you know what I mean? And endanger the animals.
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  So I don't know. You want to live with?
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  I'll stick with. I'll stick with bacon and and
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  and steak. Good way to die young.
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  All right. Last, last, last one.
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  Oreos are you? Are you like Oreos?
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  And what type of Oreo do you buy?
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  Oh, chocolate. The chocolate center soaked in
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  milk. Done.
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  Oreos are solid, obviously. I don't know how anyone could
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  think otherwise. What are you?
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  Are you single? Are you double stuff?
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  Are you? Triple stuff, keep it, keep it
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  simple. Single.
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  You know, I don't need the really, I don't need the disco,
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  Swirlyball, Oreo, standard silver refractors, fine.
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  That's horrible. I I gotta get, I gotta get the
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  ones with the peanut. They have like a peanut butter
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  filling in the middle. I've had it and then and then I
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  dip them in peanut butter. Oh jeez, that's too much peanut.
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  Butter bro. I love peanut butter so.
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  I mean, this is my favorite candy, so I can't argue with
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  that, but that's a lot of peanut butter.
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  Yeah. Fair enough.
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  Now so to answer that question, single stuffed if it's the
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  normal cream filling and double stuffed if it's the chocolate
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  filling, it's it's epic. So yeah, that's my answer all.
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  Right. We're all different on this one.
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  That's right. All right, all right, that's it
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  for our questions from the from the viewers.
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  But yeah, thank you to the viewers for for leaving the
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  questions. Thank you to Sports Card Network
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  for hosting us here. Appreciate that.
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  And we'll, yeah, check out our podcast Collector investor
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  podcast and we will see you all next time.
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  Is that something we say on here?
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  Yeah. I don't know, but I have one
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  last little. Not ready to go yet.
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  OK, Yeah, this. Is possibly the greatest picture
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  of all. Time.
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  No, we already did. Oh jeez.
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  Oh, yeah. Look at that.
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  That is Obi Wan Snowmanson right there.
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  Look at that. Look at that.
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  Anyways, that's. All nobody.
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  Wants to see that. It's arguably the best picture
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  ever discovered, but probably not.
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  That's that's my vote. Thank you for watching this
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